The exact moment when Grant Hill realized LeBron James will never be the GOAT
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- According to Hill, LeBron basically gave up on his team in Game 4 of the 2018 NBA Finals.
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The media has created this goat debate, LeBron has NEVER been on the same level as Michael Jordon.
So true
Obviously
LEBRON IS A CLOWN AND ALWAYS QUITS AND BLAMES EVERYONE ELSE
agreed: after halftime, his motivation just nose dives. when offense/defense is near him & he has a face of a person who doesn’t know what to do!?
I have to admit, the man isn’t young anymore. Quit, while you’re somewhat ahead.
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Always? Stop it! Regurgitating info🥴
Bruh he never had a chance to be THE GOAT.. HE WAS NEVER BETTER THAN AIR JORDAN. PERIOD
He's not near as good as Larry Legend either...
There is no debate. Period.
Michael Jeffrey Jordan
Absolutely I don't care if he plays till he's 50
Lebron will never be considered the G.O.A.T..
There will definitely be a strong push to have him in the GOAT conversations after his career is over!
@@BasketballNetwork 20 years from now, people will still be asking " Is xxx the next Jordan " and most will have left out Lebron's name as they do now with Kobe's.
@@Brooklyn-SOD Kobe resume is far from Lebron’s no comparison
@@BasketballNetwork after 2011 conv ended
@sheltonwilliams9656 MJ n Kobe shouldn't be mentioned in the same convo wit brom
LeBron always folds when it counts
Thats his Hallmark...
Just ask Dirk
Poor excuse about “broken hand” when he was dappin up his son at the end of the game with the same hand
lefraud was clearly lying
agree, I don't see him having a problem dunking the ball so hard.. that alone tells you he is making an excuse again because he already gave up after game 1..
Remember, Kyrie won the championship. Not LeBron
Lebron choked, Kyrie didn't. That's why they won. The same when he was with the Heat, Wade and Ray Allen didn't choke.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for finally telling the truth.
Kyrie doesn't get his credit LeBron was first option they went down 3-1 Kyrie started to be first option had LeBron n da corner they win first ring n Cleveland
That version of Kyrie was incredibly deadly and clutch!
That’s a lie. Check the stats.
A grueling Eastern Conference run? They went 7 games against a Pacers team led by Oladipo, a Raptors team who become toothless in the playoffs, and a Boston team led by a Rookie and 2nd year player to 7 games. Not to mention, the refs kept the Cavs in those series for most of the games. The East was ridiculously weak.
The East is no better now as well, it's been weak like this for years.
True story
Really wish Grant Hill would have never had that lingering injury. He would have been another player that Lebron would not have been able to surpass without narrative and media propagation of the narrative.
Prime Grant Gill was a joy to watch, amazing player.
Actually, you could see that Bron mentally quit the series after the regulation of Game 1.
The nail in the coffin was when he only got two in Miami out of 4 years with a super team... you can give him the benefit of the doubt for that first year (building team chemistry) but failing to threepeat when MJ has two threepeats ... another way to put it is if you replace Bron with prime MJ on those teams they would probably win all 4 but at the very least 3 I mean MJ won 6 with only one other all-star Bron had two all star teammates and Wade was already a champion
… and he b*tched up in 2011 against the Mavs and got outplayed by Jason Terry and JJ Barrera.’
I agree with both of you. But for me, it was how he responded after losing its 2011. The way he passive aggressively dissed the fans saying. Oh, you'll never have my life yada yada... Sure, no one has been as heavily scrutinized as Lebron. But no one has been glorified as much either. Just a lack of mental fortitude.
That Miami Heat squad somewhat underperformed because they were loaded with players at every position.
The real and long standing question is...
"What GOAT Debate???"
Lebron was never in the running. MJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq made people watch the game. Lebron has the whole NBA promote him so people will watch. Yet when we do, well….he just loses. Over and over and over and over. And he’s lazy
Thank You. I don't know why people don't see it
How do you mean he is lazy? One of the things LeBron does really well is invest in his career and his body which a lot of other guys simply don't do.
I agree with everyone in your list except shaq.. most dominant, maybe but not the greatest of all time.. shaq was lazy but kobe said it best.. if shaq worked out, he'd be the greatest of all time..
@@BasketballNetwork ehhh invest in the way of epd´s you mean??
@@robertomarrerog703 It's hard to believe in that since the league is pretty strict with epd's but then again you never know these days.
Fake narrative. Lebron has never been the best. Good at building super teams in different cities. Stop saying goat. Literally satanic.
The Bulls were a super team what you talking about.
For most NBA fans, LeBorn was never in GOAT conversation.
“Leborn”? You can’t even spell his name properly. Show some respect for the GOAT! The proper spelling is “LeFlop”.
LePed's hand wasn't broken, it was bruised. He has excuses after every loss.
It always it his team fault like he didn't put the team together 😂
LeBron is not even in Top 10 All-Time let alone the GOAT conversation
Ragebait
Agreed
He’s 15-20
@@SubParGaming-du2fy I would rank him at either 11 or 12th spot. At the end of his career he might crack Top 10 but I hardly believe that would actually happen.
I actually, at one point, had him top three. Then top five. Now, maybe, somewhere in the top 10. His longevity is hurting his legacy. The constant whining, playing the blame game, choking in crucial moments, flopping, and trying to change the narrative seems so pathetic compared to the all times greats. Those who allow the fans to argue and decide.
Grant Hill is right. Lebron gives half-hearted efforts way too often to be in a GOAT debate
We want to be like "Mike" 😉
And after outstaying his welcome I think it's safe to say at this point we just want Lebron gone 😉
Lebron "EMPTY STATS" James
When he disappeared against the Mavs in the finals I knew he wasn't the goat...
That was a poor series for him but you have to admit he had some memorable performances in the NBA Finals.
@@BasketballNetwork no doubt, he is a great player but I can't put him over MJ
Couldn’t really care less whether Bron is “the GOAT” or not; but on this question the opinion of Hill-with ZERO rings-doesn’t matter.
Lebron alone was not beating that 2017 Golden State Warriors which included KD! You guys are tripping. Basketball is a team sport. Clearly the GSW had the better team. Even the 2014 Spurs were a great team. They swept everyone on their way to the finals except the Miami Heat. MJ won NOTHING without Pippen and was good despite. I used to watch MJ team members shooting as if they can't miss, while LBJ team mates constantly shot bricks when it mattered (perfect example the episode in game one of the 2018 finals with the missed free throw and JR Smith which cost them a win). All the losses LBJ received in all his Finals, had his TEAM MATES been consistent, the narrative today would have been, "His team mates carried him!" Damn if you do and damn if you don't! 🤷♂
I remember how grant was disappointed with him then Grant lost analyst jobs after being critical of lebron
I owe someone a MAJOR apology. I got into it with a friend's brother on Facebook about a week ago regarding Michael Jordan and Lebron James. I mentioned how he was still able to get the Lakers to the playoffs at his age even though they couldn't advance out of the first round and that Jordan couldn't do that with Wizards. I also mentioned stuff about how he got to more NBA Finals than almost anyone in the history of the NBA though he could only win 4 of them. He then tore apart my arguments of him reaching those Finals and how truly poorly he did in most of them. I grew up in the Jordan era and got to see Jordan play so not saying that Jordan isn't the GOAT, but I thought with Lebron getting to 10 championships and at least winning 4 of them, he deserved to be in the top 5.
Now after watching videos and highlights of his career, I can see how WRONG I was. I have NEVER seen someone throw so many hissy fits when things didn't go his way and he wouldn't get back on defence because of it and a lot of times that would cause the other team to score! WTH?! The fact that he also mentally checked out of that Finals game proved right there that he can never be the GOAT. Jordan would've never done that and would've fought hard to the bitter end.
This is why the "f'ck the 90's" trend started.
JORDAN.........ENOUGH SAID
They showed him the next day throwing a football around😂😂😂
of course not Goat at all .
The moment I realised it was in 2011 NBA finals
Hill is being generous! LBJ case already disqualified from being the GOAT since 2011 vs Dallas.
Same thing he did with Miami. Wade got them the 2 championships, he quit in the 1st and 4th Finals.
Good video but people really need to stop calling him “The King.” He isn’t. It’s a self- given title, and it contributes to the problem by validating and enabling this guy’s sick self- obsession.
Facing elimination, you think you're the GOAT and you only take 13 shots? Nope. Gotta go down fighting.
This is proof why his numbers don't mean crap.
Lol. This youtuber is obviously a Lebron James fan. Everyone knows Lebron did not have a broken hand in that series - he used the cast as a prop to give him an excuse - something Lebron is known to do - King of Excuses. And everyone knows Lebron's biggest meltdowns happened in previous Finals Series where he failed to show up against Dallas and against San Antonio -- series where Lebron completely disappeared and was accused of quitting on his teammates. .......... Lebron will never be considered The GOAT. That is something that was completely made up for clicks, views and to create interest.
Although LeBron James is a highly regarded basketball player, I believe his ranking among the all-time greats is not as high as some might suggest. I would place him somewhere in the top 10, but I do not believe he belongs in the top 2.
LeCreatine isn’t even a top ten Laker in my opinion,hell i would put Kurt Rambis over that mf.
Lebron was never a true GOAT candidate. Him fading in the most important parts of games has been going on most of his career. There was nothing to cement. That Warriors team being the best ever is debatable.
Character also counts In my book. Most of the guys whose names come up in the GOAT conversation couldn’t carry LeBron’s jock strap when it comes to morals and as good examples to our young of how a professional athlete should be … that certainly includes MJ, Kobe, Wilt, Shaq, and Magic!
His hand was wrapped in his wife’s scarf 😂😂😂
never ending saga? 😂
There was never a Goat debate.
Jordan period.
Grueling Eastern conference run? Weaker East compared to 2024.
LeBron not even a clean athlete. Nowhere near MJ levels.... or Kobe!
Grant Hill was on course for an amazing all-time career until that injury and its rehabilitation/recovery derailed everything.
i STILL DONT UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE DARES TO COMPARE Lebron James TO 'Michael Jordan'.
Poor LeBusto had to play in the tough east for 15 seasons.
The greatest team ever assembled was the 1996 Chicago Bulls.
Jordan magic kareem Kobe Russell Bird and I have Shaq and Duncan ahead of Lebron
I don't really care for LeBron as a person with his viewpoints but I do respect that he did a lot in the game and I'm sure he was under an immense amount of pressure but the thing is when people like Kobe or Jordan were under a lot of pressure they thrived And that has to say something About LeBron...
LOSING RECORD vs UNDEFEATED
They created the LeBron case against MJ based on stats and some results, but the truth is that LeBron needs some big names to win and even then he can't win as much and when the wind stops blowing in the direction he prefers, he leaves and in the meantime has coaches fired and entire teams changed to accommodate his playing style, for these facts alone which are well documented, there are many more players above him than just MJ!
He scores but not when it matters the most
And don’t forget to add the only reason he faced a super team was because he started that super team building idea first!
#broke hand" one of the greatest excuse often used after that game everytime he doesnt fullfill or is scare to even play in some strong teams match-ups
When Lefraud wins it’s all him, when they lose, it’s everyone else!!!!
Same shit happened in 2011 finals when he basically disappearing in all of the 4th quarters in the series and only averaging only 17.8 points 😮 GOAT? 😂😂😂 Btw, he was out played by Jason Terry 😅
If LeBron wants to continue to play, he must leave to China and take his pet son along.
I think this whole debate thing is a crock of 💩 by those who have an agenda to make Lefraud the face of the current NBA, and I don’t necessarily disagree. And I’m not sure who, when, or how his lackluster and mediocre performance in those moments that separated the all time greats from the pretenders, maybe it’s a number of sources. From the MSM talking heads, I won’t drop any names because we know who they are, the cult of 4/6ers and insufferable fanboys. But basketball purists have never or will never put the King of turnovers, missed shots, flopping, and complaining in an GOAT convo…period! “The king we all know and love”… really dude? You making a funny…right? 😏
They had to lower the bar for the fraud once they noticed he wasn't that guy
@@SilentMovements305You hit the nail on the head. I totally agree.
Almost as bad as 2011 finals. Thats when i knew he wasn't the real deal.
LeBum will never be the GOAT!!! Please STOP IT!!!!!
Air Max 1's are my favorite Travis Scott sneaker !!!! Just in case I am selected I'm a size 9.5, lol!
I mean Lebron fails in 3 places. His peak falls short of MJs peak. His rings fall short of MJs rings. The look of Lebrons games looks less than MJs game. MJ just looks different, he has go to moves but also had crazy cool moves. Lebron is bully ball but even that is short of Shaq. Shaq was better in bully ball.
Truth
God blessed young LeBron with everything, except struggle.
I think he has "handlers" involved with the sports betting industry and China that dictate how he 'finishes' a game or series. Nuff said.
Grant Hill is not a HOF
He’s not a killer
He didn’t have no broken hand that’s big 🧢 he would’ve been crying on the court the whole time stop it 😂
LeFlop played a long time. That's it
lebron is great. hes on my top 200
I would put Lebron at number thirteen...
...Among the current crop of NBA players.
Well it aint like the 2011 Finals never happened prior to this. I mean maybe for Bosh and Wade who couldnt believe the balls deepest choke job this dude threw down after proclaiming how many championship, not one not two.... That finals in 2011 and then again in 2018 showed right there why he'd never be the GOAT and why it was amedia NBA driven debate for ratings nothing more nothing less. But hey its just Basketball right, purely for your entertainment with very little Sport or IQ required. Kobe broke how many bodyparts and STILL played and Won, but yall right he aint like Kobe he aint even close.
Not the GOAT? Why the comparison?
I’m so fed up of this whole stupid goat debate. The old heads romanticize about Michael Jordan and there is nothing that’s really going to change that. Jordan is great. He’s number one on my list but you’ll be acting like LeBron is not right there. Jordan never took a team as mediocre as some of LeBron‘s teams to an NBA finals and Jordan never played against a team as as spectacular as the Golden State Warriors. Period
Lebron isn’t the goat because he couldn’t beat a super team by himself?? He was literally playing with people who weren’t aware of the score of a game they were playing in haha
Dog hand won't broke his heart was
LeChoke isn't even top 50 for me.
Sure, he's always had a weak mentality and been willing to cheat as much as possible ala carrying, charging and flopping ...but look at his stats the one year he faced actual handchecking defense.
40% shooting from a power forward?
Get out of here.
He's not even top 5
LeBron is the BEST PLAYER I HAVE EVER SEEN. I am 42 years old and have seen a lot.
Jordan, best winner. No one has all the skills that LeBron had/has.
Not everyone can be a leader on the floor and off the floor!! LBJ is an example!! LBJ is top ten greatest player of all time!! Not bad for being top ten!!
The east was weak it was never grueling
WHAT BROKEN HAND?????? EXCUSES AS USUAL. 😅
HILL IS SPOT ON GOAT ARE WINNERS HELLO
“we all know and love”…. Speak for yourself, dude. I can’t stand Lebron and can’t wait for his stain to he lifted from the nba.
cause Nike will never offer any Air Jordan deal to no body, Suck-ups!
Lebron is really top 15 at best, it is Klutch sports paying people to make him look like he is the GOAT
Lebron James is the only player in NBA history the could put up 40 points, 20 rebounds and 15 assists and still face criticism.
Also the only player in history to call himself the goat while having a 4-6 record in the Finals same time having the media n fans saying he makes his teammates better
@@SilentMovements305 Going to the nba finals 10 times is an unbelievable accomplishment, I don’t care what his record is. There are hall of fame players that haven’t even gone once let alone 10 times.
@tdjakes121 the objective of the game is to win championships. The record books don't care for delusional mindset n participation admiration.
@@SilentMovements305 How many top players in nba history have more than 4 championships?
@tdjakes121 here we go wit the deflection. How many players has had multiple all stars multiple first round picks most top 75 players as teammates yet has 104 playoff losses
Funny!! U haters are so triggered by LeBron. It's all subjective man. Y'all talk so bad about him but can't hold his jock. Btw I'm old enough to remember MJ getting his ass beat in the playoffs and in the reg. Season. Maybe, just maybe phil Jackson is the goat
MJ All day not even close
Lebron isn’t even top 3 in the debate
Not top ten
Who cares what Grant Hill has to say he never won anything in the NBA and 👑 James is the all time leading scorer while being a pass first player and won a championship with every team he played for while reaching 8 strait finals top 5 dead or alive
Not even as good as Kobe
Le Cry Baby
Lebron ain’t even close to being the goat
I used to consider Grant Hill smart, because he is so well spoken.
This from him is a silly stupid take, to say one half can tell you something about a player's greatness, in his 15th season.
Does he remember Bron picked up three fouls in the 3rd quarter, and that gave him 5 on the game? One away from an ejection?
All of his drives can be called a charge, if he took that risk, he could be out and then the Cavs would have zero chance. The Cavs shot .345 from the field and just .680 from the line, even including Bron's .538 from the field and .831 from the line.
I remember the GOAT who had put up 49 points and then 63 points (averaging 56 ppg), who, finally back at home to avoid the sweep, scored just 19 points. Dropping his series average by 13 ppg in just one game. He had plenty of other weak playoff performances as well.
We do not judge GOAT candidates by their worst moments (they ALL had failures), but by their sum total of peak achievements. Bron has plenty of those, too.
Just anybody ever take the whole picture, this was a guy who round after round, game after game, minute after minute was putting up Herculean efforts. The margin between LeBron and the next best cav the entire 2018 was a canyon.
You can’t even say a guy like Kobe or Jordan wouldn’t give up because they’d never be in the position. It was a bad second half, but to dismiss him from the goat debate because he isn’t superhuman meanwhile people will excuse Jordan 19 point foul out in only the third game of the series of the 1986 Celtics by saying but he put up 63.
Just felt no matter the outcome even beating the warriors you’d still convince yourself it’s not enough. Because I don’t know how anybody has that poor of judgment.
This is foolishness. He's not in the GOAT debate, primarily because of his abysmal Final Record. Can't be the best, if you can't BEAT the best. No, he hasn't been enough - Multiple Times. Don't even need to get into all the other problems. The Finals Record is enough.
@@TheRealMusic4Life no it hasn’t. You might be too young to know this, but Finals Record was never a prerequisite to being great. No one says Hondo is the greatest Celtic forward because he had an 8-0 record while Bird only had a paltry 3-2 record. People considered Dr J at one point a top 5 player, and in the NBA he had a horrid 1-3 record in the finals. In 2007 nobody had ever claim that Duncan could be in conversations for the GOAT because he was at the time 4-0, and even when San Antonio had Miami on the ropes not a single word was uttered about Duncan being potentially 5-0. Even now while having a 5-1 record (3-0 in the 2000) many people still consider the 2000 Kobe’s era despite being 5-2 (4-2 in the 2000 with one fmvp). It’s always funny when at the moment of years like 2015, 2017, and 2018, after the final buzzer people just look at LeBron in awe and recognize he was the best player in the series, and even try to get him to win fmvp, only for a couple of days to go by and just say he lost as if he was the worst player. LeBron is there when it matter the most, he just goes against greater teams. This isn’t a comic book, you don’t win against all odds. Jordan didn’t even win unless the odds were in his favor
@MrSlashblade no son. Championships do matter. There are players with MORE than Jordan, and we still consider Jordan the best, because of the way that he did it, and the way his accolades were just so stacked in different categories. So you guys need to stop these pages and pages of excuses for Lebron - it doesn't change anything. A player CANNOT, repeat CANNOT BE the "goat" with a losing Finals record. And I think you're too young to understand what manipulating stats looks like. It's been a big part of Lebrons career, and its deception.
@@TheRealMusic4Life you just contradicted yourself again, championship matter to the point Jordan with a 5 ring deficit to Bill can be made up but LeBron with a 2 ring deficit isn’t a conversation? You are making an excuse. LeBron literally has better overall finals number, from a 2015-2018 finals runs jordan has no stretch of finals even close to that. Both from them at their best to just overall LeBron beats Jordan. It’s just that Jordan’s inferior numbers are able to get by because he’s only gone against at most 2 HoFers. Just LeBron in his first finals performance he saw 3, potentially 4 if they ever give Bowens the nod. Jordan is right time right place because watching both of them Jordan easily had to do less and produced less. Making excuses for Jordan is what you wanna be old heads do
@MrSlashblade I never contradicted myself. You also obviously missed the point where I said WHY we consider MJ goat even though there are players with more rings - it's because of THE WAY HE DID IT. His skill set amd donination of the league as a 2 guard, plus being a great defender, ultimately the most COMPLETE player ever. Ya'll can cry about it and stand on cumulative stats all day (that manipulation I mentioned), but Lebron is not the better player. Also not 2nd best. And while rings is not the ONLY consideration, a player certainly CANNOT have a losing Finals Record and be considered goat. It's foolishness. Ya'll can fight it all you want. It's just stupid and it's a lie.
What about the series that Lebron beat Golden ,scored more then 40 points a game?
He never scored more than 40ppg against the Warriors. He had some 40 point games, but he never averaged 40.
I think this must have been in your wet dream that you had about him. He never scored more than 40 points a game in a series. The GREAT MJ didn't even do that. See, this is the foolishness. A lot of you guys just don't know the real game of basketball at all.
@@TheRealMusic4Life The GREAT MJ actually did do that… 5 times! One of them was in the NBA Finals (41.0ppg vs Phoenix Suns 1992-93 season).
As for the others…
-43.7 ppg vs Boston Celtics 1985-86
-45.2 ppg vs Cleveland Cavaliers 1987-88
-43.0 ppg vs Philadelphia 76ers 1989-90
-45.0 ppg vs Miami Heat 1991-92
So it’s not foolishness for Michael Jordan to do that, especially multiple times (MJ is the only player to average 40+ppg in a series more than once)
But LeBron has never averaged 40ppg in any series ever for his career.
@la_nomercy I'll stand corrected! MJ had such phenomenal numbers, I thought the highest he averaged in a playoff series was around 38.5. I'm definitely not the robotic stat guy tho, I stand corrected.
@@TheRealMusic4Life I think 38.5 is the highest LeBron averaged in a series. I’m not 100% sure on that, but I know LeBron did average 38.5ppg against the Magic in the 2009 ECF.
Its crazy how being great for a long period of time is being held against him by ppl trying to argue points here😂😂😂.
He was great enough at 18 and still great enough 2 entire decades later and youre going to hold it against him 😂😂. Youre on crack.