I see a trend in the NBA. New owner/GM cones in and wants to make a splash and sign huge names to try to buy a fast ring. They mortgage away their entire future, and then never come close to a ring.
Nets: traded their depth away and star center J. Allen for Harden who leaves team in shambles. Suns: traded depth away and ended up with the failed durant/booker/beal big 3 Clippers: traded everything for PG13. He never fit w/kawhi who is made of glass The only team who got away with it was LAL because they bought top5 superstars who fit w/each other and veterans like rondo and danny green & still needed 6 games vs a depleted 5th seed. The lesson is that mortgaging future only works if the superstars are strong fits and they can get playoff-level veterans who are willing to take discounts to ring chase.
@vulcanraven9701 idk if the lakers got away with it. I think they would much rather have all those pieces than the one hollow championship a bunch of mediocre seasons and no future.
"Is Kawhi gonna want to stick around at that point?" Does another team have a better point of view for him to watch the play-offs from? Clippers have even put him up in the sky box to watch play-off games. Not sure what other amenities teams have to offer him---but i am sure he will test out softer seat cushions of all teams interested.
we just signed him to a stupid extension and he's pretty much a walking injury at this point but i could see a team like orlando, cleveland, sacramento or some team like that wanting him in a trade. and i would be all for it.
We tried to tell em when it happened but Clippers obviously didnt know what to do with SGA. It took Sam Presti to really figure out how to use SGA much like he did with the original 3.
i disagree. he was a rookie but was already playing quite good as the season progressed. He became a better passer in OKC but he always was going to be a good scorer
One more thing, Superteams don't work unless you have team chemistry. You can't have too many roosters and not enough chicken. If everyone feels he's the team's superstar, Who's going to get in the mud to do the dirty work for the rest of the team? There are starters, and there are second stream players, and all need to know their place in the team.
I think that's what people forgot about the Heat and the Warriors when they were winning championships. They had big threes, but both teams also had structure from top to bottom.
@@M_11_m41n They had top 3 players and good role players and good injury luck. All the superteams that failed were missing at least one of those The top many roosters was really only a problem for one team -- the 2004 Lakers -- and that pre-dated Malone and GP. The reality is lots of teams win in spite of players not accepting their role but they do it because the team is winning. Kobe and Shaq were publicly fighting with each other and won anyway. Kareem resented Magic. McHale resented Bird. KD wasn't happy in GS. Pippen hated being an underpaid second fiddle and still takes shots at MJ to this day. Kyrie demanded a trade. Ray Allen doesn't speak to half the Celtics anymore. I could go on.
@@joebenson528 Rondo and Ray weren't getting along way before that. It was part of why he left. But yes as far as I'm aware KG and Pierce didn't have a problem with him until he left. I could have framed that more clearly
That 2019 Thunder team actually had a lot of really good players on it. Not stars, but quality role players and young legs off the bench. I really respect Westbrook & his heart, I feel like Lakers Nation was unfair to him & it wasn’t the best spot. But man he put a really hard ceiling on a team that should’ve been much better. They lost PG, Westbrook, Jerami Grant, Markeiff Morris and only won 5 less games the next season with their 3 best players being point guards. They also won 2 more playoff games.
yeah sabonis and oladipo went to the pacers and started balling out the minute they got there. to be fair, most rookies make a leap the next year, but i wonder what that thunder team would've looked like if they had gotten more touches.
The Clippers are The Nets of The West so it only makes sense they trade a similar dumb trade. Im not sure which is worse. The Nets giving The Celtics Tatum & Brown or Clippers giving OKC SGA & Jalen Williams (there's still 3 more 1sts owned)
It's the Nets and it's not close. We thought Kawhi was the best player in the world in 2019. People were comparing him to Michael Jordan. And PG was his Scottie. The idea you wouldn't trade the 11th pick in the 2018 draft and a bunch of firsts to pair the best player (at 28) with a top 3 MVP finisher (at 29) --- _NOT_ doing that trade would have been malpractice. Whereas KG and Pierce were 37 and 36. It isn't *REMOTELY* the same thing.
Them giving up 5 first rounders and SGA for Paul George looked like them fleecing the Thunder to you? I think even in the moment it looked like a lot but people justified it because they also signed Kawhi.
@@4ktkaram395 I agree, people who actually watch basketball knew this trade wasn't good for clippers. Shai was really good as a rookie and looked very promising against GSW before he got traded.
@@musikkluvelectrobanger I never thought shai would be an MVP candidate, but you could tell he was gonna be a good player, but I was shocked at the amount of draft capital, they gave up for a guy that disappears in big moments
Winning franchises in professional sports have two things in common: 1. They rarely make bad to horrible trades, meaning they always the exact players they need to win 2. They always end up with useful draft picks who end up as the hearts and souls of those franchises. Losing franchises do exactly the opposite, and their fans start to wonder why they never win. Bad front office management and bad ownership usually end up in losing franchises. Winning teams? The opposite
OKC had them over a barrel since Kawhi wasn't going to sign without PG. And even still 4-5 firsts for Kawhi -- who was considered the best player on the planet -- and 3-4 for PG -- who had just finished third in MVP voting -- wasn't too high a price. (And that's really how you need to think about it because signing Kawhi and keeping SGA was not an option. Not that anyone thought SGA would ever be better than PG) If anything considering what teams paid for Gobert and Dejounte Murray shortly thereafter it was a steal. Sometimes you just get unlucky. That's life and that's sports. Hell Minnesota made a horrible trade for Gobert and needed like 5 different things to go exactly right to get here and now they are winning. It's all luck. San Antonio is a "winning" franchise because of f**king lottery balls. GS is a "winning" franchise because Draymond Green randomly turned out to be the perfect guy to play with Steph Curry, who himself was a lucky pick because he should have been drafted at 6. Detroit traded Grant Hill and asked for John Amaechi but Orlando insisted on Ben Wallace; then the same GM drafted Darko over Wade or Bosh. Chicago was a "winning" franchise because Portland took Sam Bowie. Denver drafted a 3 time MVP in the second round. Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck. It's all random. There are well run and poorly run teams but 90% if it is luck. Getting the right pick in the right year, being in the right place at the right time, and acquiring a guy who changes your luck.
@@michaelahurt Excuse me? Unlucky? That's your excuse for teams not winning championships? Once, unlucky, twice, maybe, three times or more is pattern. So if you read you correctly then , Celtics and Lakers were lucky? Come on dude, get real
@@michaelahurt It was a very bad trade because of PG13's playoff history. First and second round exits in which he played mediocre. The Clips gave away too much. I say this as an OKC fan. They should have sent only the picks and told OKC to walk if that wasn't enough. I say the same if some team wants us to trade our core players for one single player... for example, the Jazz wanted JDub and a ridiculous amount of picks for Lauri Markanen.... GTFOH!!!!
@@luisrodriguez-mb7cc Considering 10 superstars account for 33 of the 43 titles since 1980, well, yes. If you weren't lucky enough to have one (or two) of those ten -- and aren't the Pistons -- you probably don't have a championship. Certainly bad owners and bad executives exist who make short sighted trades and continually mis-evaluate players. I'm not saying David Kahn, Ernie Grunfeld, Elgin Baylor, Isiah Thomas, etc. were secretly good executives. Or at Donald Sterling, George Shinn, Robert Sarver, Ted Stepien, etc. aren't awful owners. And there are good owners and good GM's -- Jerry Buss, Red Auerbach, Pat Riley -- but they are further and fewer between than we pretend. (Although good coaches are definitely a thing.) It's hard to argue with Auerbach who hand picked Russell and Bird -- trading to get Russ and drafting Bird a year early -- or that Jerry Buss was instrumental in making the Lakers the Lakers which led to Shaq, Kobe, LeBron and AD. And how Riley developed Spo and created Heat Culture. But I mean the Lakers dynasty was based on the then New Orleans Jazz signing an aging Gail Goodrich and then the league _post facto_ giving LA multiple draft choices as compensation -- part of the league's plan to kill free agency -- and then one of those draft picks turning into Magic Johnson. Oh and they had #1 pick not #2 because LA won a literal *COIN TOSS* But that is something other than luck? Seriously? The Lakers entire brand is built on something that was completely out of their control. (Of course the irony is the NBA later blocked LA from acquiring Chris Paul from the new New Orleans franchise which led to them getting Pau Gasol who helped them win two more titles.) Yes, teams are unlucky too. When Detroit gets the #1 pick in the year it's Cade not Ant or Wemby that's unlucky. The entire Markelle Fultz situation is wildly unlucky. So is Ben Simmons having a mid-career mental breakdown. So is Derrick Rose tearing everything in his knee. The KD, Harden and Irving Nets and the Kawhi-PG Clippers were both undone by injuries and a once per century global plague! How is that anything but unlucky?
The Thunder Front Office have done a remarkable job with the balance and chemistry of players they put out now on the Court. I think they have a bright future and that future could be right now as well.
It looks really bad right now. These teams just throw caution to the wind and sign players who have huge red flags AKA Kawhi Leonard. Yes he was coming off a title with Toronto, but buddy was on his best behavior to get out of Canada. 😂
Pg should abandon ship and do what kawhi should've done. Join the Lakers, they'll be unstoppable. If he truly wants a ring he'll join the Lakers. I said the same thing about Kyrie before he signed with Brooklyn, the smartest thing Kyrie could've done was join Bron and AD.
I couldn't believe it when I saw that yesterday...SGA for Paul George? Nothing wrong with PG. But yeesh what SGA has turned into while we're witnessing Paul's decline-well, actually the whole team.
It's also all those first round picks that the Clippers traded to OKC as well which serves as the salt in the wound. Or cherry on the cake for OKC. Even at that time, the trade was questionable at best.
@@wilseph1 and not only did they give up a bunch of draft picks but they threw in draft swaps too. So they couldn't trade any of their few remaining picks. That trade kicked their ass
This is why the Bulls need to rebuild. They should have started already but that is now gone. The OKC pattern is a pattern that could be followed. Also, SGA was the first name I called during that draft when the Bulls pick came up and they selected Wendell Carter instead.
How exactly can that pattern be followed? They drafted Kevin Durant -- one of the top 15 prospects ever -- and then the best player in the world said he'd only sign with LA if they traded for PG who just so happened to be in OKC. And then they got the #2 pick in the year where the absolute perfect player for their play style was sitting. You might as well follow the pattern you won six titles with and just draft the best player ever. But you do need to rebuild. Unfortunately you're closer to where Detroit was when they started their rebuild than where OKC was in terms of assets
The trade also brought a player that just won a ring, Kawhi to the Clippers still in his prime. Clippers also made it to the WCF for the first time led by PG. Shai/Thunder hasn’t got there yet. So I wouldn’t consider this trade as bad as KG/Truth/Terry going to the Nets bad..
the problem is the PG trade set themselves up for failure. No draft picks, and two stars who dont even fit with each other. One of them has injury history. How else could it end?
hind sight is always 20/20. At the day of the deal, the clips looked like the smartest franchise in the world. The late Jerry West was said to architech the whole thing. Literally at the 23rd hour, we got Leonard AND George. Oh right you forgot to mention getting George was the deal maker for signing Leonard. NOW that we look back, I wouldn't trade SGA for George AND Leonard. The two guys are injured so often it's literally like getting one guy but paying two. BTW it was also Jerry West that wanted to draft SGA, the man definitely was the greatest basketball mind in the game!
honestly it wasnt that bad, considering that you at least earned back multiple years in the playoff and 1 conference final from PG13. The big question is how to fix Kawahi
Clippers are a superteam who didn’t lose because of talent they loss cause of luck😂they were and still are better then any team on the west they just get fucked situations at the worst moments with injury if they’re healthy they beat ur fav team by 30💀only team who probaly could’ve competed with healthy clips is heat jus cause of Jimmy u don’t know ball
The difference in front office, one recruits/draft players that wants to play in a functional role (or knows what the team needs and wants at the time) while the other recruits/draft basis of win Now and nothing less..
The Clipps position is so crazy. All the analysts say they "must bring stars" into the new arena..but your stars are older...it's not like they have a core similar to OKC. I get that they don't have their own draft picks..but I wonder if they should trade their stars for future picks and decent players. In the meantime they can have a similar team to what they had in '18-'19 to be sort of competitive while they prepare to have new young guys come in from the draft. Do fans really want the "Big 3" in the new arena for maybe 3 years, if that long? Wondering...
I would rather be stuck with a team like 18-19 clippers for the next 30 years than to have to root for PG13 for one more season. I can’t stand the fact he plays on my team.
Okc has dynasty potential they could be warriors of this decade, meanwhile Clippers, let's just run it back see what happens. Will be interesting to see what clippers do after the Kawaii era comes to end.
Honestly, even back then, I’d doubts of PG13 success when partnering with Kawhi in LA. The Clips were pretty playing well with SGA in his first year and with the all picks they gave up along with SHA for Paul George was literally too much in the first place. Though Paul was having a career year with OkC but he’d never accomplished anything (even till today). So how is he worth that much draft assets and money? Simply crazy!
When this trade was made the overwhelming consensus was "you do it every time" to which I said...why? At the time the Clippers made this trade to secure Kawhi and justified it by saying the comp was really for Kawhi and PG. I absolutely would have called Kawhis bluff. He wasn't going to the Lakers or back to Toronto. The compensation was staggering and even with Kawhi and PG there was no way that having those two was worth removing flexibility and the possibility of crippling the franchise for an entire decade. The Clippers will be playing in a state of the art arena in front of empty seats for a long time.
Imo 2 things really hurt this trade for the clippers: 1. Presti likely knew they were in on the Kawhi sweepstakes and could milk them for more just cause of that 2. As he says in the video, PG just had an MVP/DPOY level season so just by himself was a hot commodity
Not technically a trade but the Lakers letting Caruso walk so they could give minutes to Lebrons pet project THT. He may not be a superstar but the value a team gets for having Caruso for just 8 million a year makes him extremely valuable. Defensive player of the year quality and can knock down the open three. For 8 million…
i just cant see why that trade will haunt them. Okc hasn't won anything since that trade. I honestly can't see OKC winning chip in the next 5 years because of Luka, ANT and Jokic
The fact the Clippers were catering to Kawhii while having SGA on their roster is hilarious. They treat that guy like he created a dynasty for them, when he cost them one
PG DONE. DIDN'T DO NOTHIN WITH INDY, OKC & CLIPPERS. PHILLY WASTED THEIR $214M TO GET AN OLD PLAYER THAT'S ONLY GOOD FIRST OR SECOND ROUND OF PLAYOFFS.
This video leaves out the fact that the clippers traded all that for PG AND kawhi.otherwise Leonard wouldn’t have came. This was the year after that kawhi was looking lethal and won fmvp
Clippers have been cursed since they left Buffalo. Second time they have blundered. Traded first round pick to Cleveland which happened to be number one pick. Cavs drafted kyrie and helped them win in 2016. If SGA wins in OKC then Clippers are seriously cursed
The Durant trade and giving the Lakers to opportunity to draft Kobe were obvious mistakes at the time, but I didn’t see how bad the George trade would be for the Clippers.
Its a bad trade but far from one of the worst. With PG they did have some form of very limited success. I dont think SGA becomes who he is without going to OKC. The Clippers arent known for making good decisions though lol
As a bulls fan, for the love of god AK do not, I repeat, DO NOT trade for any of the clippers stars let alone any other older star in the league. Twolves were built from the ground up, Okc a rebuild that went well, denver built from the ground up. Boston built from the ground up. Can we please see a youth movement in Chicago. Bruh, if we never decided to skip the movement and kept wendell, Lauri, gafford while letting them develope next to pwill, coby and ayo, we probably would've been atleast an 6th seed in the playoffs at this point. But we decided to trade our pick for Vuc, sign a 2 guard in derozan who dont play defense, and build around ball hog lavine. Can i be the Gm for just 3 years for the chicago bulls.
At the time it was a known overpay rationalized by the signing of kawhi ie trade for pg you get kawhi for free. Kinda like how we know it was an overpay for Gobert even if it’s currently working out well
Yep exactly, and I don't like the narrative that the Gobert trade was good deal because the Wolves are finally playing well....that was still waaay too many picks for Gobert and it will come back to bite them
As a Warriors fan, I really hope we don't trade away our future for Durant or someone similar. Let Klay and Green go and rebuild. Keep Curry for role model for the youngsters
That’s hindsight tho bro bc at the time of the trade you was only getting kawhi if Paul came so it was really PG and Kawhi for shai 🤷🏾♂️ shai is a hell of a player now most definitely top 5 but at the time he was still pretty much a late lottery prospect with hella talent/potential.. idk win win for both squads
So Basically the Clippers are screwed for the next 6 years/seasons until 2030. If they don't win a Championship while Kawhi Leonard is still on the team. And the Clippers are moving into a New Arena next season. Could you imagine if Kawhi is the only All-Star on the team next season. Paul George, James Harden and Russell Westbrook all walk in Free-Agency this Summer. That would be Crazy 😳.
i like PG as a dude, but I really have no idea where was his reputation coming from as a player. i know he got some great games here there, but... y'all know what i'm getting at.
This trade is why the days of getting a haul for an all star is over. Maybe three 1st and expiring contracts or two 1st and one young player. Four or five 1st and swaps will not happen again.
Completely agree, I actually made a video on why this type of trade will never happen again, regardless of the superstar. Too risky when it comes to injuries
The PG trade needs context that people always conveniently sweep under the rug. The trade wasn’t for PG. it was for Kawhi & PG. you weren’t getting one without the other. There isn’t a single team that wouldn’t have made that trade. Look at the Cavs. They did something similar. When they got Bron they traded Wiggins for K Love…it’s the same move besides the fact that it didn’t work out well for the Clippers. Lakers too did the same to get AD and that too delivered a championship. I don’t blame the Clippers organisation. Everyone in the league was gonna make that exact same trade.
SGA will bring OKC a championship within the next 3-4 years and that could very well come right now with the way they're playing. Sam Presti, the GM for the Thunder, will go down in history for arguably the stupidest trade ever made in the NBA giving away Harden who was an MVP level player. That trade cost OKC a dynasty. They would have gone on to win multiple championships and the Warriors dynasty never would have happened. Outside of that debacle though has been absolutely excellent and looks like he will redeem himself.
I can't really say trading Shai is a bad trade for the Clippers. It's just that with the Clippers roster at that time, Shai would not have grown to be the superstar he is today if he stayed in LA. What's really disturbing is how many 1st round picks the Clippers threw away to get Pandemic P 🤦♂
The issue was PG has a huge baggage with OKC. Max with 2 years left. Sam Presti isn't going to let PG walk with out something. Even if Shai stay. I doubt Doc Rivers care about development him. Shai to OKC was best for him. Bottom line PG wasn't that guy. Or worth that much trade. Even if they made to WCF.
@@stump4522 I've always known PG was never going to be "the guy" since back in his Pacers days. It won't matter what team he's in, he just doesn't blend well anywhere.
Ballmer could’ve had shai opening up his new building. New threads new logos new everything and a promising future now they still got no banner and time is ticking kawhi and pg getting old 😭
But take kinda long because that thunder rebuild but least shai for pg-13 yep we know won the thunder because might go western conference finals this year
Doc rivers was happy to get rid of SGA he’s lying when he said he was hesitant to trade him he did it in a second he would’ve done anything to get kawhi Leonard and to soothe his ego SGA for Paul George is going to be remembered as the worst trade in clippers history maybe nba history which by the clippers standards is saying something
Hard to fault the clippers for trading shai, nobody thought he would be this good and he wouldn’t have played enough to get this good if they hadn’t traded him
The issue was PG has max contract and 2 more years in OKC. PG force his way out. Sam Presti ain't going let PG walk with out something in return. Shai will never be developed as he was today if he played with Kawhi. Look at the current Clippers youth member so many miss opportunities. Bottom line PG wasn't worth that much picks and he wasn't that guy. Even if they made to WCF.
Don't forget the Lakers, they got rid of their future core and future picks for Anthony glass Davis and now they can only sign mediocre players with 1 yr contracts or rookies
Disagree. Clippers didn’t have Kawhi locked in yet and they needed to make a move. SGA did end up being better than expected, but any franchise would’ve made the trade to get Kawhi and PG.
All kawhi needs is to be healthy and that's a what if question?? If he is then it definitely the narrative for clipper nation becoz no body can stop him from winning the championship and that's for sure
hometown curse is real. when players play for their hometown, they usually fail like melo with knicks, griffey wih reds, so far the clppers starting lineup is made up of la born guys and they choke 24/7
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If SGA wins multiple championships and MVPs (which is very possible), this will go down as the biggest blunder in NBA history.
Not even close
Not gonna happen, OKC has zero winning mentality
If he stayed with Clippers he wouldn’t have got the nearly the players they got now
@@fabiancastaneda3878and what makes you say that?
@@mentallyinsane3344 zero chips and small city
I see a trend in the NBA. New owner/GM cones in and wants to make a splash and sign huge names to try to buy a fast ring. They mortgage away their entire future, and then never come close to a ring.
Yup..look at the suns smh
@@patrickjeffers7864that owner still tryna gaslight everyone
Nets: traded their depth away and star center J. Allen for Harden who leaves team in shambles.
Suns: traded depth away and ended up with the failed durant/booker/beal big 3
Clippers: traded everything for PG13. He never fit w/kawhi who is made of glass
The only team who got away with it was LAL because they bought top5 superstars who fit w/each other and veterans like rondo and danny green & still needed 6 games vs a depleted 5th seed. The lesson is that mortgaging future only works if the superstars are strong fits and they can get playoff-level veterans who are willing to take discounts to ring chase.
@vulcanraven9701 idk if the lakers got away with it. I think they would much rather have all those pieces than the one hollow championship a bunch of mediocre seasons and no future.
@@dash4800 very true
"Is Kawhi gonna want to stick around at that point?" Does another team have a better point of view for him to watch the play-offs from? Clippers have even put him up in the sky box to watch play-off games. Not sure what other amenities teams have to offer him---but i am sure he will test out softer seat cushions of all teams interested.
we just signed him to a stupid extension and he's pretty much a walking injury at this point but i could see a team like orlando, cleveland, sacramento or some team like that wanting him in a trade. and i would be all for it.
We tried to tell em when it happened but Clippers obviously didnt know what to do with SGA. It took Sam Presti to really figure out how to use SGA much like he did with the original 3.
i disagree. he was a rookie but was already playing quite good as the season progressed. He became a better passer in OKC but he always was going to be a good scorer
I miss when PG 13 was on the Pacers.
He was amazing on that team.....their best player
For sure. I’m not even a Pacers fan, but I’m glad that they’re finally finding success again with Tyrese, Myles, and Siakam.
They call him "Pre Injury P"
No lie would be a good fit to go back
@@QuietNDriveif u think about it every 10 years indiana has a near legendary team since the 90s have a combination of players and different eras
when you get a chance to get the older, less talented, more expensive player how can you say no???
You trade for him so you have someone to blame.
SGA was a rookie when he was traded. NOBODY projected him as a top 20 player let alone MVP candidate. He was supposed to be another Tyreke Evans.
buddy paul george was a top 10 player in the league when traded and sga wasnt sga yet
@@chadwellington2524 I’ve never thought OG was a tip 10 player
THAT'S EASY- PROVE IT.
One more thing, Superteams don't work unless you have team chemistry.
You can't have too many roosters and not enough chicken.
If everyone feels he's the team's superstar, Who's going to get in the mud to do the dirty work for the rest of the team?
There are starters, and there are second stream players, and all need to know their place in the team.
I think that's what people forgot about the Heat and the Warriors when they were winning championships. They had big threes, but both teams also had structure from top to bottom.
@@M_11_m41n Structure has been a great part of all winning teams.
@@M_11_m41n They had top 3 players and good role players and good injury luck.
All the superteams that failed were missing at least one of those
The top many roosters was really only a problem for one team -- the 2004 Lakers -- and that pre-dated Malone and GP. The reality is lots of teams win in spite of players not accepting their role but they do it because the team is winning.
Kobe and Shaq were publicly fighting with each other and won anyway. Kareem resented Magic. McHale resented Bird. KD wasn't happy in GS. Pippen hated being an underpaid second fiddle and still takes shots at MJ to this day. Kyrie demanded a trade. Ray Allen doesn't speak to half the Celtics anymore. I could go on.
@michaelahurt
The Ray Allen one us not fitting. They cut him off because he jumped ship to the Heat to become a role player.
@@joebenson528 Rondo and Ray weren't getting along way before that. It was part of why he left.
But yes as far as I'm aware KG and Pierce didn't have a problem with him until he left. I could have framed that more clearly
7:15 You also forgot they have Presty who's really good at drafting.
That 2019 Thunder team actually had a lot of really good players on it. Not stars, but quality role players and young legs off the bench.
I really respect Westbrook & his heart, I feel like Lakers Nation was unfair to him & it wasn’t the best spot. But man he put a really hard ceiling on a team that should’ve been much better.
They lost PG, Westbrook, Jerami Grant, Markeiff Morris and only won 5 less games the next season with their 3 best players being point guards. They also won 2 more playoff games.
yeah sabonis and oladipo went to the pacers and started balling out the minute they got there. to be fair, most rookies make a leap the next year, but i wonder what that thunder team would've looked like if they had gotten more touches.
The Clippers are The Nets of The West so it only makes sense they trade a similar dumb trade. Im not sure which is worse. The Nets giving The Celtics Tatum & Brown or Clippers giving OKC SGA & Jalen Williams (there's still 3 more 1sts owned)
Lol true
They really are
Hey as a Suns fan I take offense. We are just as much the Nets of the west as the Clippers are!
It's the Nets and it's not close.
We thought Kawhi was the best player in the world in 2019. People were comparing him to Michael Jordan. And PG was his Scottie.
The idea you wouldn't trade the 11th pick in the 2018 draft and a bunch of firsts to pair the best player (at 28) with a top 3 MVP finisher (at 29) --- _NOT_ doing that trade would have been malpractice.
Whereas KG and Pierce were 37 and 36. It isn't *REMOTELY* the same thing.
@@michaelahurt the people who compared kawhi to Jordan were imbeciles
Shai is so special man. Can’t wait to see more of him
“Is Kawhi gonna want to stick around at that point?”
Kawhi will just sit out and collect checks.
He has been doing that for five years. He is an overrated fraud.
HE'S GOT YOUNGER PLAYERS ON HIS TEAM, THAT ARE NOT INJURY PRONE. THEY MAY GO DEEP THIS SEASON.
That year with CP3. He’s always at his own pace.
The initial trade looked like a fleecing in the favor of the Clippers, and now it looks like the opposite.
Them giving up 5 first rounders and SGA for Paul George looked like them fleecing the Thunder to you? I think even in the moment it looked like a lot but people justified it because they also signed Kawhi.
It looked like a win win trade. What the hell are you supposed to get for Paul George cause they clearly got more than enough.
People who actually watch basketball never thought the clippers won the trade because we all know Paul George is a playoff dropper
@@4ktkaram395 I agree, people who actually watch basketball knew this trade wasn't good for clippers. Shai was really good as a rookie and looked very promising against GSW before he got traded.
@@musikkluvelectrobanger I never thought shai would be an MVP candidate, but you could tell he was gonna be a good player, but I was shocked at the amount of draft capital, they gave up for a guy that disappears in big moments
That 2014 Nets team was freaking hilarious! I got called a hater for saying that at the time
Lol, I was there too. What a time.
Winning franchises in professional sports have two things in common:
1. They rarely make bad to horrible trades, meaning they always the exact players they need to win
2. They always end up with useful draft picks who end up as the hearts and souls of those franchises.
Losing franchises do exactly the opposite, and their fans start to wonder why they never win.
Bad front office management and bad ownership usually end up in losing franchises.
Winning teams? The opposite
Steve Balmer cares about the Clippers and is a good owner. The problem was they spent too much and got unlucky.
OKC had them over a barrel since Kawhi wasn't going to sign without PG.
And even still 4-5 firsts for Kawhi -- who was considered the best player on the planet -- and 3-4 for PG -- who had just finished third in MVP voting -- wasn't too high a price. (And that's really how you need to think about it because signing Kawhi and keeping SGA was not an option. Not that anyone thought SGA would ever be better than PG)
If anything considering what teams paid for Gobert and Dejounte Murray shortly thereafter it was a steal.
Sometimes you just get unlucky. That's life and that's sports.
Hell Minnesota made a horrible trade for Gobert and needed like 5 different things to go exactly right to get here and now they are winning. It's all luck.
San Antonio is a "winning" franchise because of f**king lottery balls. GS is a "winning" franchise because Draymond Green randomly turned out to be the perfect guy to play with Steph Curry, who himself was a lucky pick because he should have been drafted at 6. Detroit traded Grant Hill and asked for John Amaechi but Orlando insisted on Ben Wallace; then the same GM drafted Darko over Wade or Bosh. Chicago was a "winning" franchise because Portland took Sam Bowie. Denver drafted a 3 time MVP in the second round.
Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck.
It's all random.
There are well run and poorly run teams but 90% if it is luck. Getting the right pick in the right year, being in the right place at the right time, and acquiring a guy who changes your luck.
@@michaelahurt Excuse me? Unlucky? That's your excuse for teams not winning championships? Once, unlucky, twice, maybe, three times or more is pattern.
So if you read you correctly then , Celtics and Lakers were lucky?
Come on dude, get real
@@michaelahurt It was a very bad trade because of PG13's playoff history. First and second round exits in which he played mediocre.
The Clips gave away too much. I say this as an OKC fan. They should have sent only the picks and told OKC to walk if that wasn't enough. I say the same if some team wants us to trade our core players for one single player... for example, the Jazz wanted JDub and a ridiculous amount of picks for Lauri Markanen.... GTFOH!!!!
@@luisrodriguez-mb7cc Considering 10 superstars account for 33 of the 43 titles since 1980, well, yes. If you weren't lucky enough to have one (or two) of those ten -- and aren't the Pistons -- you probably don't have a championship.
Certainly bad owners and bad executives exist who make short sighted trades and continually mis-evaluate players. I'm not saying David Kahn, Ernie Grunfeld, Elgin Baylor, Isiah Thomas, etc. were secretly good executives. Or at Donald Sterling, George Shinn, Robert Sarver, Ted Stepien, etc. aren't awful owners.
And there are good owners and good GM's -- Jerry Buss, Red Auerbach, Pat Riley -- but they are further and fewer between than we pretend. (Although good coaches are definitely a thing.)
It's hard to argue with Auerbach who hand picked Russell and Bird -- trading to get Russ and drafting Bird a year early -- or that Jerry Buss was instrumental in making the Lakers the Lakers which led to Shaq, Kobe, LeBron and AD. And how Riley developed Spo and created Heat Culture.
But I mean the Lakers dynasty was based on the then New Orleans Jazz signing an aging Gail Goodrich and then the league _post facto_ giving LA multiple draft choices as compensation -- part of the league's plan to kill free agency -- and then one of those draft picks turning into Magic Johnson. Oh and they had #1 pick not #2 because LA won a literal *COIN TOSS*
But that is something other than luck? Seriously?
The Lakers entire brand is built on something that was completely out of their control. (Of course the irony is the NBA later blocked LA from acquiring Chris Paul from the new New Orleans franchise which led to them getting Pau Gasol who helped them win two more titles.)
Yes, teams are unlucky too. When Detroit gets the #1 pick in the year it's Cade not Ant or Wemby that's unlucky.
The entire Markelle Fultz situation is wildly unlucky. So is Ben Simmons having a mid-career mental breakdown. So is Derrick Rose tearing everything in his knee.
The KD, Harden and Irving Nets and the Kawhi-PG Clippers were both undone by injuries and a once per century global plague! How is that anything but unlucky?
THANK YOU! as a THUNDER fan I will ALWAYS remember who made all of this possible🎉
Can you do a video on the Miami Heat next? I think they're in a similar situation-not as problematic, but similar in certain ways.
The Thunder Front Office have done a remarkable job with the balance and chemistry of players they put out now on the Court. I think they have a bright future and that future could be right now as well.
It looks really bad right now. These teams just throw caution to the wind and sign players who have huge red flags AKA Kawhi Leonard. Yes he was coming off a title with Toronto, but buddy was on his best behavior to get out of Canada. 😂
I see OKC with the top pick in the next draft 👀
Pg should abandon ship and do what kawhi should've done. Join the Lakers, they'll be unstoppable. If he truly wants a ring he'll join the Lakers. I said the same thing about Kyrie before he signed with Brooklyn, the smartest thing Kyrie could've done was join Bron and AD.
I couldn't believe it when I saw that yesterday...SGA for Paul George? Nothing wrong with PG. But yeesh what SGA has turned into while we're witnessing Paul's decline-well, actually the whole team.
It's also all those first round picks that the Clippers traded to OKC as well which serves as the salt in the wound. Or cherry on the cake for OKC. Even at that time, the trade was questionable at best.
@@wilseph1 and not only did they give up a bunch of draft picks but they threw in draft swaps too. So they couldn't trade any of their few remaining picks. That trade kicked their ass
This is why the Bulls need to rebuild. They should have started already but that is now gone. The OKC pattern is a pattern that could be followed. Also, SGA was the first name I called during that draft when the Bulls pick came up and they selected Wendell Carter instead.
And then they traded him the Magic, where he became a key contributor to a playoff contender.....Just damn....
How exactly can that pattern be followed?
They drafted Kevin Durant -- one of the top 15 prospects ever -- and then the best player in the world said he'd only sign with LA if they traded for PG who just so happened to be in OKC. And then they got the #2 pick in the year where the absolute perfect player for their play style was sitting.
You might as well follow the pattern you won six titles with and just draft the best player ever.
But you do need to rebuild. Unfortunately you're closer to where Detroit was when they started their rebuild than where OKC was in terms of assets
Da Bulls and Da Bears will always suck…
The trade also brought a player that just won a ring, Kawhi to the Clippers still in his prime. Clippers also made it to the WCF for the first time led by PG. Shai/Thunder hasn’t got there yet. So I wouldn’t consider this trade as bad as KG/Truth/Terry going to the Nets bad..
the problem is the PG trade set themselves up for failure. No draft picks, and two stars who dont even fit with each other. One of them has injury history. How else could it end?
hind sight is always 20/20. At the day of the deal, the clips looked like the smartest franchise in the world. The late Jerry West was said to architech the whole thing. Literally at the 23rd hour, we got Leonard AND George. Oh right you forgot to mention getting George was the deal maker for signing Leonard. NOW that we look back, I wouldn't trade SGA for George AND Leonard. The two guys are injured so often it's literally like getting one guy but paying two. BTW it was also Jerry West that wanted to draft SGA, the man definitely was the greatest basketball mind in the game!
honestly it wasnt that bad, considering that you at least earned back multiple years in the playoff and 1 conference final from PG13.
The big question is how to fix Kawahi
i agree. the trade was fine. it's really been the fact that their superstar has been injured for years. what else really matters?
The goal isn't to lose in the playoffs. But to win championships. It was a bad trade
Bro, nobody thought the Thunder lost the trade at that time. Clippers got clowned at that time and still are.
Clippers are a superteam who didn’t lose because of talent they loss cause of luck😂they were and still are better then any team on the west they just get fucked situations at the worst moments with injury if they’re healthy they beat ur fav team by 30💀only team who probaly could’ve competed with healthy clips is heat jus cause of Jimmy u don’t know ball
@@marekboldin4386Clippers blew a 3-1 lead to a fetus Denver team. That was not luck
The difference in front office, one recruits/draft players that wants to play in a functional role (or knows what the team needs and wants at the time) while the other recruits/draft basis of win Now and nothing less..
The Clipps position is so crazy. All the analysts say they "must bring stars" into the new arena..but your stars are older...it's not like they have a core similar to OKC. I get that they don't have their own draft picks..but I wonder if they should trade their stars for future picks and decent players. In the meantime they can have a similar team to what they had in '18-'19 to be sort of competitive while they prepare to have new young guys come in from the draft. Do fans really want the "Big 3" in the new arena for maybe 3 years, if that long? Wondering...
I would rather be stuck with a team like 18-19 clippers for the next 30 years than to have to root for PG13 for one more season. I can’t stand the fact he plays on my team.
Could have mentioned Luka for Trae Young/Cam Reddish recent bad trade
It's up there, but it would be much worse if Trae was an absolute bust
It's pretty hard though to judge talent when they are raw though.
Okc has dynasty potential they could be warriors of this decade, meanwhile Clippers, let's just run it back see what happens. Will be interesting to see what clippers do after the Kawaii era comes to end.
SGA is Canadian! That's what makes this trade even more ironic. Clippers stalked Kawhi in Toronto. Karma at its finest!
If PG joined the Lakers in free agency instead of resigning with OKC i wonder what that Laker team woulda looked like
If PG did join, we weren’t gonna get AD. Glad he stayed in OKC
Well we dont have to wonder if PG signs with Lakers this offseason
Yea like bro said. If we got pg then we probably resign Lopez that offseason
He still would've been Wayoff P.
Honestly, even back then, I’d doubts of PG13 success when partnering with Kawhi in LA. The Clips were pretty playing well with SGA in his first year and with the all picks they gave up along with SHA for Paul George was literally too much in the first place. Though Paul was having a career year with OkC but he’d never accomplished anything (even till today). So how is he worth that much draft assets and money? Simply crazy!
Chet is the most important piece after SGA on Thunder team !
When this trade was made the overwhelming consensus was "you do it every time" to which I said...why? At the time the Clippers made this trade to secure Kawhi and justified it by saying the comp was really for Kawhi and PG. I absolutely would have called Kawhis bluff. He wasn't going to the Lakers or back to Toronto. The compensation was staggering and even with Kawhi and PG there was no way that having those two was worth removing flexibility and the possibility of crippling the franchise for an entire decade. The Clippers will be playing in a state of the art arena in front of empty seats for a long time.
Exactly, like why is it a situation where you HAVE to do it?
Imo 2 things really hurt this trade for the clippers:
1. Presti likely knew they were in on the Kawhi sweepstakes and could milk them for more just cause of that
2. As he says in the video, PG just had an MVP/DPOY level season so just by himself was a hot commodity
@@listo393 and PG wanted to leave, so 🤷🏿♂️
Well, Clippers should have won 2020 Bubble title! So, having Rivers as a head coach was same big mistake as that trade.
Not technically a trade but the Lakers letting Caruso walk so they could give minutes to Lebrons pet project THT. He may not be a superstar but the value a team gets for having Caruso for just 8 million a year makes him extremely valuable. Defensive player of the year quality and can knock down the open three. For 8 million…
i just cant see why that trade will haunt them. Okc hasn't won anything since that trade. I honestly can't see OKC winning chip in the next 5 years because of Luka, ANT and Jokic
The fact the Clippers were catering to Kawhii while having SGA on their roster is hilarious. They treat that guy like he created a dynasty for them, when he cost them one
When you're listing off examples of bad trades, why'd you leave out the one you called "the worst trade in NBA history'?
PG DONE. DIDN'T DO NOTHIN WITH INDY, OKC & CLIPPERS. PHILLY WASTED THEIR $214M TO GET AN OLD PLAYER THAT'S ONLY GOOD FIRST OR SECOND ROUND OF PLAYOFFS.
When the clippers first did this trade I knew it would back fire. Charlotte shouldn’t have traded the pick either
Is SGA still SGA if he didn't get that one year of mentorship under CP3 in his one year with Oklahoma?
This video leaves out the fact that the clippers traded all that for PG AND kawhi.otherwise Leonard wouldn’t have came. This was the year after that kawhi was looking lethal and won fmvp
PG on OKC that first year was cold af . Top 5 player for sure. Then he became PG13^%
Again: Kobe refused to play for the Hornets. Stop rewriting history.
The biggest mistake wasn't getting PG, but Leonard. Always hurt, and it effects how consistent your lineups can be
Clippers have been cursed since they left Buffalo. Second time they have blundered. Traded first round pick to Cleveland which happened to be number one pick. Cavs drafted kyrie and helped them win in 2016. If SGA wins in OKC then Clippers are seriously cursed
The Durant trade and giving the Lakers to opportunity to draft Kobe were obvious mistakes at the time, but I didn’t see how bad the George trade would be for the Clippers.
Its a bad trade but far from one of the worst. With PG they did have some form of very limited success. I dont think SGA becomes who he is without going to OKC. The Clippers arent known for making good decisions though lol
OKC one of the best organization of all time
What have they won?
As a bulls fan, for the love of god AK do not, I repeat, DO NOT trade for any of the clippers stars let alone any other older star in the league. Twolves were built from the ground up, Okc a rebuild that went well, denver built from the ground up. Boston built from the ground up. Can we please see a youth movement in Chicago. Bruh, if we never decided to skip the movement and kept wendell, Lauri, gafford while letting them develope next to pwill, coby and ayo, we probably would've been atleast an 6th seed in the playoffs at this point. But we decided to trade our pick for Vuc, sign a 2 guard in derozan who dont play defense, and build around ball hog lavine. Can i be the Gm for just 3 years for the chicago bulls.
At the time it was a known overpay rationalized by the signing of kawhi ie trade for pg you get kawhi for free. Kinda like how we know it was an overpay for Gobert even if it’s currently working out well
Yep exactly, and I don't like the narrative that the Gobert trade was good deal because the Wolves are finally playing well....that was still waaay too many picks for Gobert and it will come back to bite them
As a Warriors fan, I really hope we don't trade away our future for Durant or someone similar. Let Klay and Green go and rebuild. Keep Curry for role model for the youngsters
That’s hindsight tho bro bc at the time of the trade you was only getting kawhi if Paul came so it was really PG and Kawhi for shai 🤷🏾♂️ shai is a hell of a player now most definitely top 5 but at the time he was still pretty much a late lottery prospect with hella talent/potential.. idk win win for both squads
Agreed, but it wasn't just for Shai.....5 first round picks and two pick swaps to go with it
He was a hell of a player in the clippers but guess not good enough
So Basically the Clippers are screwed for the next 6 years/seasons until 2030. If they don't win a Championship while Kawhi Leonard is still on the team. And the Clippers are moving into a New Arena next season. Could you imagine if Kawhi is the only All-Star on the team next season. Paul George, James Harden and Russell Westbrook all walk in Free-Agency this Summer. That would be Crazy 😳.
What is up with their swap with Houston and LA in 2025
i like PG as a dude, but I really have no idea where was his reputation coming from as a player. i know he got some great games here there, but... y'all know what i'm getting at.
This trade is why the days of getting a haul for an all star is over. Maybe three 1st and expiring contracts or two 1st and one young player. Four or five 1st and swaps will not happen again.
Completely agree, I actually made a video on why this type of trade will never happen again, regardless of the superstar. Too risky when it comes to injuries
Sam Presti and whoever is the GM of the Tampa Bay Rays have made a profession of fleecing big teams
The PG trade needs context that people always conveniently sweep under the rug. The trade wasn’t for PG. it was for Kawhi & PG. you weren’t getting one without the other. There isn’t a single team that wouldn’t have made that trade. Look at the Cavs. They did something similar. When they got Bron they traded Wiggins for K Love…it’s the same move besides the fact that it didn’t work out well for the Clippers. Lakers too did the same to get AD and that too delivered a championship. I don’t blame the Clippers organisation. Everyone in the league was gonna make that exact same trade.
The thunder have so many picks and such a solid team that they don't need half if them
SGA will bring OKC a championship within the next 3-4 years and that could very well come right now with the way they're playing. Sam Presti, the GM for the Thunder, will go down in history for arguably the stupidest trade ever made in the NBA giving away Harden who was an MVP level player. That trade cost OKC a dynasty. They would have gone on to win multiple championships and the Warriors dynasty never would have happened. Outside of that debacle though has been absolutely excellent and looks like he will redeem himself.
I can't really say trading Shai is a bad trade for the Clippers. It's just that with the Clippers roster at that time, Shai would not have grown to be the superstar he is today if he stayed in LA. What's really disturbing is how many 1st round picks the Clippers threw away to get Pandemic P 🤦♂
The issue was PG has a huge baggage with OKC. Max with 2 years left. Sam Presti isn't going to let PG walk with out something.
Even if Shai stay. I doubt Doc Rivers care about development him.
Shai to OKC was best for him. Bottom line PG wasn't that guy. Or worth that much trade. Even if they made to WCF.
@@stump4522 I've always known PG was never going to be "the guy" since back in his Pacers days. It won't matter what team he's in, he just doesn't blend well anywhere.
As a clippers fan I saw this stupid trade
Same. I wanted them to exchange SGA for other clippers young players
That wasn’t a bad trade in 19. PG was coming off the best year of his career in 2019
The irony is this trade looks terrible because of kahwi’s knees
The irony is this yrs playoff seeding. The direction of the 2 teams.
PG13 should had joined the Lakers in 2019 free agency instead of extending with the Thunder.
As a Thunder fan I will forever love the Clippers for taking PG (who didn’t want to be here), in exchange for Shai and J-Dub.
In Sam Presti we trust. Thunder up! ⚡⛈️
This trade unbalanced the NBA. They paid the price of Kawhi and PG to OKC.
ThEy ShOuLd HaVe LiStEnEd To DoC RiVeRs aNd KePt SgA!!
Lawrence Frank the Clippers GM needs to be fired
kwhi with sga wouldve been insane
Ballmer could’ve had shai opening up his new building. New threads new logos new everything and a promising future now they still got no banner and time is ticking kawhi and pg getting old 😭
Pg13 career accomplishments: when he was young he almost beat prime lebron once, never actually did tho.
But take kinda long because that thunder rebuild but least shai for pg-13 yep we know won the thunder because might go western conference finals this year
Doc rivers was happy to get rid of SGA he’s lying when he said he was hesitant to trade him he did it in a second he would’ve done anything to get kawhi Leonard and to soothe his ego SGA for Paul George is going to be remembered as the worst trade in clippers history maybe nba history which by the clippers standards is saying something
Hard to fault the clippers for trading shai, nobody thought he would be this good and he wouldn’t have played enough to get this good if they hadn’t traded him
Agreed, but throwing in all of those picks for one player was a mistake, even. despite PG having an incredible season
The issue was PG has max contract and 2 more years in OKC. PG force his way out. Sam Presti ain't going let PG walk with out something in return.
Shai will never be developed as he was today if he played with Kawhi. Look at the current Clippers youth member so many miss opportunities.
Bottom line PG wasn't worth that much picks and he wasn't that guy. Even if they made to WCF.
Hindsight is 2020. Most GMs would have made this trade.
Its the history of the clippers
Don't forget the Lakers, they got rid of their future core and future picks for Anthony glass Davis and now they can only sign mediocre players with 1 yr contracts or rookies
they won a ring though. you rather get 1 ring in 10 years than be like the clippers and have 0 rings in 60 years
Paying multiple 35 year olds max contracts is the best way to not win anything.
Disagree. Clippers didn’t have Kawhi locked in yet and they needed to make a move. SGA did end up being better than expected, but any franchise would’ve made the trade to get Kawhi and PG.
people just forgot that kawhi forced that trade, he will be joining the lakers instead if the clippers didnt trade for paul george 😂
@@margiteberbach2324 exactly. Clippers had to make that trade.
Balmer needs to trade his star players. Clippers are not going anywhere with those injuries.
So they lost SGA for PG13..omg bro
The clippers traded PG for nothing bc he’s on the 76ers now 😂
you're wrong when stating that no one could have known how valuable sga would be..doc rivers knew 😂😂😂
Lol no he didn’t
Well I said that before they made the trade
All kawhi needs is to be healthy and that's a what if question?? If he is then it definitely the narrative for clipper nation becoz no body can stop him from winning the championship and that's for sure
OKC has 15 picks & swaps! Most in the NBA.
No haunting. It's what they do. They just be clipping.
Call it the Kawhi gamble, and I have to say, at the time, I would of been that gamble.
No! I knew that was the worst trade immediately when I heard about it. Lawrence Frank is a bad GM
This trade is not looking good now,It’s looks like Shai will get a ring before the clippers do
hometown curse is real. when players play for their hometown, they usually fail like melo with knicks, griffey wih reds, so far the clppers starting lineup is made up of la born guys and they choke 24/7
Imagine Pippen, Kemp, and Gary Payton on the same team? Jordan would never beat them. He'd be abused and locked down