I dont think he's corrupt in either case, idk in the old game it just comes acrosss as him acccepting a genuen donation for the damage that was done to the church, while in the new game, he reject the money becuase they want him to keep his mouth shut
In the original it was not strictly a bribe, more like a donation to compensate for the damages. In the remake the quid pro quo was stated more clearly. That being sad, the comparison shows that the writing in the remake is better and the characters have more depth.
@purple-25377 I am a fan of the original Mafia, and I disagree. The DE makes more effort to develop the characters, they have more individuality and depth. The mob itself is also depicted in a darker, more nuanced way, you do not get that feeling of being one of the good gangsters fighting the bad gangsters. Unfortunately, Mafia 1 story did have some of that corny 1990s-early 2000s era game writing, and the DE actually fixes some of its wackier moments.
@purple-25377 I know that some of the original developers do not like the writing, and perhaps they could have done a better job with it given the same resources, and the same cultural reality where more people play video games for the plot (so technically it should be easier to justify more time being spent on writing). Original Mafia had very good writing for its time, but I do not see that much more depth there than in the DE. My comment regarding the "good gangsters vs bad gangsters" vibe refers of course to the part of the story before the betrayal. In my opinion the DE does a better job at establishing the dark side of Salieri's organization, as well as the flaws of the individual characters, there's more effort to flesh everyone out, the original felt like the "why" of it was left as the exercise for the player.
@purple-25377 It certainly isn't. The czech dub while good...does not really do the era justice as...well..it is modern czech in 1930's America. I'd also not take anything that Vávra says at face value....his reaction to the remake was...an overeaction at best...childish behavior at worst.
One thing I liked is they had Normen more involved during the interview, like filling in Tommy about the goings on during his story he wouldn't be aware of.
Fun fact: if you had eax3 capable sound card, there was awesome reverb effects in that church. Louder and more "massive" than definitive edition. At least in this cut scene. I did not play remaster yet.
The English dub for Mafia 1 was terrible but it had some genuinely great moments. Mafia DE had superb acting; but watered down some of the more serious scenes.
I felt the main cast was fine, supporting cast was...hit or miss, but they still mostly fit the tone. I completely agree with your second point though.
Having Sam being the one to ask the spare the girls life, was one of the weirdest and nonsensical changes... It makes Tommy Look like a souless monster with just two jobs into the mob
@@EruveyConB Agreed! I get why they did it, they wanted Sam to be a lady's man. Problem is, like every other time Haden Blackman touched this series; it was too rushed! We have blank years with 1936 and 37. Missed opportunity to write Sam's relationships in more detail, hell maybe even detail Salieri's rise now that he has free reign over Lost Heaven! But the thing that really got me? The complete watering down of You Lucky Bastard. Yeah, the original almost felt like a Looney Toons episode with how many times Sergio got away, but that was the point! To anger you, to hype you into wanting to get that guy! And then the train scene - they completely cut all that tension! With how expressive characters and graphics are nowadays? That was such a sin to not see that in HD. I don't want to trash the Remake too badly, I did like it - but there was just so much missed potential you could tell they cheaped out on since at that point, the devs were hanging on by a thread after the mess that was Mafia 3.
The biggest example of this for me would be the ending. Tommy's speech in OG Mafia 1 still gives me chills to this day. The new version, while still profound on its own, just doesn't hit the same way that the old one did.
For me the standout thing was how they changed Don Salieri. the new actor just didn't have the same commanding presence. They also changed his betrayal from holding out on the boys about the diamonds to lying about selling drugs.
Yeah, they made him more conniving, like that scene in pepe's where you find out he straight up ordered Sarah to tell Tommy that she's gonna leave him if he doesn't stop drinking, because he didn't want him to make any mistakes. I honestly think it fits better.
I kinda like original more. Priest seem, out of better word, desensitized, used to bleak reality around him. It hits different, when even a man of God, who absolutely should believe in his preachings, gave up and adapted to new order of things, just "doing his job" now.
I was going to say I disagree but only because my Priests are amazing but then I remembered my wife's last Priest and he definitely was only interested in just doing his job.
Morello will always be the true villain of Mafia to me. Even though Salieri changed for the worse and became the antagonist, he was still nowhere near as bad as Don Morello.
Original Mafia was good enough for 2003? but DefEd is so much better, improved in everything. I usually don't like remakes (especially movies), but what they did with this game is simply brilliant.
Both versions are perfect. Definitive Edition brings some like of hope to the game story, like Sara, Priest, Diamonds got changed by white, what makes a lot more sence.
I mean when you see it rammed down your throat for literally decades it kind of gets tripe after a point it's like a slow burner version of the evil Superman trope
@@fredphilips5320 thats cool , its like when I found out Thomas F. Wilson (Biff from Back to The Future) voiced one of the bosses in Crash Bandicoot the wrath of cortex lol so unexpecfed
The dialogue between Frank and Tommy in the car was ruined aswell. OG version was short and sweet. DE version dragged along and ruined the whole feeling.
Honestly, this is one of the few changes that I didn't like in the Remake, preferring the original in this particular case. Because in the original game the priest, whether was actually corrupt or not, he showed more compassion and even undersanding in a sort of way about what kind of crimminal was actually Tommy, something similar like the relationship between Lincoln and Father James in Mafia III. But in the Definitive Edition Tommy throws the money to the priest, when he was in a very shocked moment. And if it wasn't enough, Sam threats the pour priest after all the things that happened inside of his church.
I had more fun playing the original than I did playing the remake. I played through the original a bunch of times. The remake is just another generic modern cover shooter and I got bored of it. I gave up halfway through.
Take your nostalgia glasses off. The original is great, but the Definitive Edition is much better overall, although there is some individual things the original does better.
@@sharpie3811 DE is only better in cinematic experience, but the story and morals are much more deeper in OG. You just see the shiny picture and think this is gold.
It's not even close to the original game. Liked don't get me wrong, DE is not a bad game in itself, but the storytelling and the whole point of the story is different and it's just not as good as it was.
No it's not. They replaced all the things which made this game a classic in the first place. Don't get me wrong, the graphics are gorgeous, but the philosophy from the game is gone in the remake.
@purple-25377 half life was also stupid, its just such ancient voice lines, nobody talks like this irl, i think its funny, i wasnt being rude or hateful its just silly
@@chris_player2995 guys im saying its silly, compare the voice acting say rdr2, forza hell any game now with a game from 1998-2004, this isnt a critique, it is factually and objectively goofy
It is such a powerful scene. When religion and morality clashes together. Beautiful video mate.
Thanks a lot for comment! Especially this scene is made showing both possibilities of priest, just like priest in IRL sometimes 👀
It can destroy truly lives
Yeah except irl god saks pipi in hell
@@petushok1234 He does what to what?
@@divebombexpert2619 to our father and lord Satan himself. He said to me in my dreams that if I spread his message he'll take me with him
Between difference of a pop, one greed for Money, while the other being honest and Didn't accept Bribes or never Lies.
I dont think he's corrupt in either case, idk in the old game it just comes acrosss as him acccepting a genuen donation for the damage that was done to the church, while in the new game, he reject the money becuase they want him to keep his mouth shut
In the original it was not strictly a bribe, more like a donation to compensate for the damages. In the remake the quid pro quo was stated more clearly. That being sad, the comparison shows that the writing in the remake is better and the characters have more depth.
@purple-25377 I am a fan of the original Mafia, and I disagree. The DE makes more effort to develop the characters, they have more individuality and depth. The mob itself is also depicted in a darker, more nuanced way, you do not get that feeling of being one of the good gangsters fighting the bad gangsters. Unfortunately, Mafia 1 story did have some of that corny 1990s-early 2000s era game writing, and the DE actually fixes some of its wackier moments.
@purple-25377 I know that some of the original developers do not like the writing, and perhaps they could have done a better job with it given the same resources, and the same cultural reality where more people play video games for the plot (so technically it should be easier to justify more time being spent on writing). Original Mafia had very good writing for its time, but I do not see that much more depth there than in the DE. My comment regarding the "good gangsters vs bad gangsters" vibe refers of course to the part of the story before the betrayal. In my opinion the DE does a better job at establishing the dark side of Salieri's organization, as well as the flaws of the individual characters, there's more effort to flesh everyone out, the original felt like the "why" of it was left as the exercise for the player.
@purple-25377 It certainly isn't. The czech dub while good...does not really do the era justice as...well..it is modern czech in 1930's America. I'd also not take anything that Vávra says at face value....his reaction to the remake was...an overeaction at best...childish behavior at worst.
Like having Tommy actually feel bad about a civilian getting caught in the car bomb instead of making a pun.
One thing I liked is they had Normen more involved during the interview, like filling in Tommy about the goings on during his story he wouldn't be aware of.
Fun fact: if you had eax3 capable sound card, there was awesome reverb effects in that church. Louder and more "massive" than definitive edition. At least in this cut scene. I did not play remaster yet.
The English dub for Mafia 1 was terrible but it had some genuinely great moments. Mafia DE had superb acting; but watered down some of the more serious scenes.
I felt the main cast was fine, supporting cast was...hit or miss, but they still mostly fit the tone. I completely agree with your second point though.
Having Sam being the one to ask the spare the girls life, was one of the weirdest and nonsensical changes... It makes Tommy Look like a souless monster with just two jobs into the mob
@@EruveyConB Agreed! I get why they did it, they wanted Sam to be a lady's man. Problem is, like every other time Haden Blackman touched this series; it was too rushed! We have blank years with 1936 and 37. Missed opportunity to write Sam's relationships in more detail, hell maybe even detail Salieri's rise now that he has free reign over Lost Heaven!
But the thing that really got me? The complete watering down of You Lucky Bastard. Yeah, the original almost felt like a Looney Toons episode with how many times Sergio got away, but that was the point! To anger you, to hype you into wanting to get that guy! And then the train scene - they completely cut all that tension! With how expressive characters and graphics are nowadays? That was such a sin to not see that in HD.
I don't want to trash the Remake too badly, I did like it - but there was just so much missed potential you could tell they cheaped out on since at that point, the devs were hanging on by a thread after the mess that was Mafia 3.
The biggest example of this for me would be the ending. Tommy's speech in OG Mafia 1 still gives me chills to this day. The new version, while still profound on its own, just doesn't hit the same way that the old one did.
Major problem was, that english in the original was not the games primary language, but czech
For me the standout thing was how they changed Don Salieri. the new actor just didn't have the same commanding presence. They also changed his betrayal from holding out on the boys about the diamonds to lying about selling drugs.
Yeah, they made him more conniving, like that scene in pepe's where you find out he straight up ordered Sarah to tell Tommy that she's gonna leave him if he doesn't stop drinking, because he didn't want him to make any mistakes. I honestly think it fits better.
First DE clip kinda makes Tommy look like an idiot peeking out the door like that. I like how in the original the pastor opens the door.
Just an alternative view how things could have play out. both can still be experience in their own games.
I kinda like original more. Priest seem, out of better word, desensitized, used to bleak reality around him. It hits different, when even a man of God, who absolutely should believe in his preachings, gave up and adapted to new order of things, just "doing his job" now.
Very sad when someone becomes so defeatist. All it'll do is make the situation worse.
ngl the orignal voice acting look like it was done by children lol
I was going to say I disagree but only because my Priests are amazing but then I remembered my wife's last Priest and he definitely was only interested in just doing his job.
Sad thing is the priest in the remake was killed by Morello for keeping quiet.
Morello will always be the true villain of Mafia to me. Even though Salieri changed for the worse and became the antagonist, he was still nowhere near as bad as Don Morello.
This is probably the one of the few parts where I prefer the original than remake.
Original Mafia was good enough for 2003? but DefEd is so much better, improved in everything. I usually don't like remakes (especially movies), but what they did with this game is simply brilliant.
Both versions are perfect. Definitive Edition brings some like of hope to the game story, like Sara, Priest, Diamonds got changed by white, what makes a lot more sence.
remake reaction makes more sense when throughout the game tommy is constantly one-man massacring entire buildings of gang men
Is that the Church from the music video for My Chemical Romance's Helena?
Yes My Son
I feel like in mafia 1 He takes it Because The church will stay closed if theres no money because its the 30s so In a way its not a bribe here
Orginal Mafia scene awsome
"i kInDa lIkE tHe oRiGinAl mOrE"
I hate it in every damn video games they always say that , civilization vi , age of empire 3 defnitive edition ... etc
It's F annoying
They’re blinded by nostalgia, even some never played both games.
I guess making religion corrupt and morally hypocritical got old and boring by now
I mean when you see it rammed down your throat for literally decades it kind of gets tripe after a point it's like a slow burner version of the evil Superman trope
Yeah it did.
Also, a bit insulting and exagerated.
The more i hear the english dub, the more i'm grateful for the superb italian one...
Siamo in due, il doppiaggio inglese in particolare su Mafia 1 originale mi fa venire la voglia di usare una lupara contro me stesso
in the english dub I only liked Tommy's VA
Salieri in the original sounds like an AI voiced him 😅
@@chris_player2995 In the italian dub Salieri is voiced by the guy that voices Plankton in Spongebob.
@@fredphilips5320 thats cool , its like when I found out Thomas F. Wilson (Biff from Back to The Future) voiced one of the bosses in Crash Bandicoot the wrath of cortex lol so unexpecfed
Using regional dialect for the character that just spoke italian was genius. I gotta replay it :D
the original has such good writing, they just keep yapping on in the remake it starts to get annoying
That’s sounds like your problem.
If the story is not for you, then play Nintendo games.
@@Pearloryx lol what?
I do drink water, but when I'm thirsty I drink.........
Pop.
The OG Mafia is my second favorite crime video game of all time (First being GTA IV) The Remake was good but not as good as the OG :)
The OG is much better. It shows some conscions in the main character. Unlike in the remake, he knows what he's doing is wrong
Old one yes
The dialogue between Frank and Tommy in the car was ruined aswell. OG version was short and sweet. DE version dragged along and ruined the whole feeling.
Honestly, this is one of the few changes that I didn't like in the Remake, preferring the original in this particular case. Because in the original game the priest, whether was actually corrupt or not, he showed more compassion and even undersanding in a sort of way about what kind of crimminal was actually Tommy, something similar like the relationship between Lincoln and Father James in Mafia III. But in the Definitive Edition Tommy throws the money to the priest, when he was in a very shocked moment. And if it wasn't enough, Sam threats the pour priest after all the things that happened inside of his church.
Agent 44, this is Agent 49, how copy?
Expected the betrayal otherwise, anyways..
The original Mafia voice actors sound like AI
I had more fun playing the original than I did playing the remake. I played through the original a bunch of times. The remake is just another generic modern cover shooter and I got bored of it. I gave up halfway through.
Take your nostalgia glasses off. The original is great, but the Definitive Edition is much better overall, although there is some individual things the original does better.
@@sharpie3811
DE is only better in cinematic experience, but the story and morals are much more deeper in OG. You just see the shiny picture and think this is gold.
@@sugargrinder8744your only just looking for excuses.
@@Maximus20778 no u
@@sugargrinder8744 can't take anyone who uses "no u" seriously.
Tbh, this actually a good remake. Way better than the 2001 game.
That's right! Original is good, but DE is outstanding in comparison
It's not even close to the original game. Liked don't get me wrong, DE is not a bad game in itself, but the storytelling and the whole point of the story is different and it's just not as good as it was.
@@Mike-bh2if Maybe but tbh the ending was way better
No it's not. They replaced all the things which made this game a classic in the first place. Don't get me wrong, the graphics are gorgeous, but the philosophy from the game is gone in the remake.
@@OdinGreif The ending is the worst. All this "family is everything, I would do anything for them" is such full of cliche bullsh*t
Maybe it's the huge OG Mafia fan in me talking but despite the worse graphics the OG game had better atmosphere.
i love how stupid the original is its so late 90s
@purple-25377 half life was also stupid, its just such ancient voice lines, nobody talks like this irl, i think its funny, i wasnt being rude or hateful its just silly
@@AMPSLY "nobody talks like this irl" well it is a game afterall not a movie
Still a better game than the remake, though. The remake is just a shitty generic cover shooter and I got tired of it halfway through.
@@chris_player2995 guys im saying its silly, compare the voice acting say rdr2, forza hell any game now with a game from 1998-2004, this isnt a critique, it is factually and objectively goofy
@@AMPSLY yeah I mean a lot of old 90s game are known for their bad voice acting (looking at you original RE)
The English dubbing is so bad. The original Czech dubbing was by far better.
it's okay to be wrong
@@LovelyHeartDiamond But he's not.
@@Mike-bh2if but he is...
Shitty remake.
Fantastic Remake.
Actually it's not even a remake now that I think about it, they just slapped a Prohibition skin on Mafia 3 and called it a day.
@@No-vq1iv And it works.
@@No-vq1iv it is remake, it's just using Mafia 3 engine
@@sharpie3811 Works at making a boring POS maybe.
Bit annoying tbh and like a bad drama