Pre-Realism & Post-Realism in Art
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2021
- A quick discussion on the concept of postrealism in the art world. This is definitely more for intermediate artists, but maybe everyone can enjoy it.
I'll throw in a link to @samdoesarts as I use him for an example in this video: samdoesarts...
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Whoa thanks for the mention!!! I'm honored 🙌
Lol you deserve it 👏🏻
Mentioning your art was completely consequential at this point. When he started to talk about exaggerating illumination your work already came to my mind (the one with the girl on the train from your video about mood and atmosphere, to be precise).
So keep up the great work!
For sure. It's awesome to see how fast you've been leveling up in the past years, looking forward to seeing where you'll go.
my 2 favorite art youtubers combined in 1 video lol. collab?
LoL indeed in the beggining of the video I thought as Sam as a gret example of post realism and boom! There you are!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
sinix is like our unofficial art teacher and he's one of those cool ass teachers at that
and always says stuff that might get them in trouble lol
He's the guy in the fake ads that knows the secret and other artists hate him for it
Ass teaching is a different video.
Doing a better job of teaching me anatomy than my life drawing professor 💀
This makes me feel less bad about my kindergarten paintings
you mean: your early pre-realistic works depicting iconography of the everyday using crayon and graphite?
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This is why animation and animated movies often feel more real than reality, why the stories and sets and colors and action feels more real. It enhances reality, gets rid of the confusing bits and brings out beautiful color and movement and lightning. Anyway, I love animation. Great explanation! (Here I am not even at the realism level as a amateur artist and now I realize there's a whole different level to get to haha. oh no)
Brings to mind that movie "Soul" :)
When you said “ oh no”, I felt that...
Stylized art combined with post-realism methods are definitely my goal for art. Like what Sam does. It just adds so much charm to your art and makes it all look brilliant!
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The day i find his channel is also one of the apparently rare days he post
same
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If i could describe Sinix.. He is an art-explorer-scientist-dude..
He is a god
I thought that this video was going to be about pre-realism and post-realism in terms of art history and the realism movement. Thank you for breaking down how people naturally evolve when creating art from life, going from stiff and boring, to realistic and lifelike, to exaggerated and dynamic. I think people would appreciate a class from you on the difference between drawing from life and drawing from photo and their unique advantages and disadvantages.
How much more realism do we need? We got realism, pre-realism, post-realism, hyper-realism, meta-realism, surrealism. Probably others I can't think of the top of my head
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Dude I love seeing your face! Feels like I’m in your classroom, which is great
You’ve been teaching me art + enthusiasm for art since I was a kid! Your videos are so helpful and inspiring.
I wound up getting a concept art job because of you! It wasn’t for me, but I’d never have learned that without these videos!
Thanks Sinix!
i hope you fly my dude
The image of the hyperrealistic Morgan Freeman will haunt us forever...
was expecting more "pause here to draw your example" than just the skull. would have been a good example gauge for all of us to see where we lie. i say come back to this!!!
14:18 that little jab against the man who let me draw a billion cubes was kind of liberating not gonna lie :D
Yes!! Finally someone putting an explanation to what I felt during my 4 years as an art major. everyone in my classes did art that would be very very strongly described as “prerealism” and no effort was given on the part of the professors to change that, so everyone would just keep trying to develop some unique art style they felt like they needed to have and make all their pairings have some deep meaning but nobody undersold even basic principes of how light works and anatomy and how colors interact properly in the real world to be able to then begin to enhance them into their own style, it’s like they were just trying to skip to the last step straight from a pre realistic and very basic knowledge and it was so angering bc nobody was actually improving. And if you wanted to point out any objous things that would help their art move into the realism stage, you’d be criticized bc you’re just “bashing their art style” ughh waste of money lol
I really feel blessed that I live in an era when I can find amazing content like this in such an affordable way. Bless you Sinix for contributing so amazingly for the growth of a whole generation of artists and aspirin artists. This also applies to a lot of other amazing people on this platform.
these interactive stuff are so fun. i actually did go grab a pen to draw
Same, it was fun!
is it just me or does he really look like the real life version of the characters he draws
Great video Sinix!
I feel like what you laid out here fills in a lot of the missing pieces for the typical realism vs style/cartoony/anime discussions we see online. More experienced artists will often say "you need to learn the rules before you can break them", which is of course correct, but only saying that doesn't demonstrate why that matters, or even why "breaking the rules" would be something we'd want to strive for. It can make it sound like you have to earn the right to draw with a style or something, and for beginner and intermediate artists that can be super confusion.
As artists we often get trained in a manner that makes us subconsciously think that not drawing as realistic as we can is somehow wrong. Or that breaking the rules is wrong. Even in the super cartoony art by some comics and animation veterans, you can clearly see qualities of post-realism at work. In this view, it's less that realism is something artists should strive for, for realisms own sake, and more like realism teaches you the vocabulary and grammar you need to learn before you can start to comfortably express yourself in drawings.
Just wanted to leave a reply saying thank you for your comment. I've been thinking into the "you need to know the rules before you break them," for a while now. I've understood this on just a surface level. But the vocab analogy you used makes so much sense! It helped a lot of things click in my head. So, just a quick thank you!
@@snowshower4415 Hey no problem, glad you found my thoughts here helpful! Studying and learning how to get better takes time, and it's a lot of work. I think it's important to have fun with it, and have a clear view of how it isn't just work and study for the sake of work and study, you can use those skills to have fun, develop your own artistic voice, and put something into the world you can be proud of.
The is like a more succinct version of Sycra's "right side of wrong" theory. I like how you each have your own way of explaining this idea.
Very informative, thank you. I understand now why professional level artists have that certain feel to their work, they go beyond what is imaginable, they go PLUS ULTRA.
Art like Joseph Zbukvic's has always been so surreal to me. I always wanted to be able to create that kind of art that just blurs the line of realistic and dream like. So inspiring
These videos are so eye-opening. Technical stuff are important but videos like this and the one about how we percieve colors are the topics that drastically changed my way of thinking about art. Really excited to hear more art thoughts like this!
Ok but i'm really enjoying this new format!!! Even though I obviously super love the ones where you draw, this one where you talk and there are pictures on the screen feels like we're in a one-sided video call while I'm having breakfast!
So, the first step is gaining full understanding of reality. 🤔
But really, sometimes watching your videos I feel like there's people exploring different planets out there and I'm just starting to get out of bed.
I feel like im too noob to be watching this video so ill still watch it, rewatch it and keep rewatching it throughout my art journey. Thankyou Sinix your videos have taught me a lot the past 3 years
Thank you for putting a label on and explaining a concept I've been contemplating but wasn't quite sure how to frame it
What a lovely discussion, the concept of post-realism present in this video is for sure extremely beneficial. Very good stuff, thank you for this video!
you’ve helped me so much and this gave me and my art style a lot of confidence and wisdom
This was a great video, you honestly have some of the most useful videos on UA-cam for someone who is more of an already professional artist. You don’t mince words or purposefully dumb down concepts. And you always ask us to strive for the more difficult and never ending goals that make art transcendent, rather than languish in comfort or minutiae or in this case “perfect realistic representation”. Have watched you for years and I just wanted to thank you, truly.
congrats on 600k, Sinix! Your stuff has helped me out so much.
Santa Barbara captured perfectly. His shadow work is amazing! Great lesson.
Aaahh yes! You explain things so well! The way these concepts are applied in really good works of art is, in my opinion, what makes paintings truly come to life. When we go above and beyond is when we are able to convey feelings and not just the image itself 😊
This video remided me of a video Sycra made a while back. He tackled a pretty similar topic too in his video "the right side of wrong".
I guess great minds really do think alike!
Okay but what brushes did you use to draw your skull?
JK, love the content, Sinix.
I think a great example of hyperrealism that isn't boring is Jono Dry. His subjects are very lifelike, but he adds surrealism to his work, and a level of honestly to it that speaks to the soul (irregular hairs, freckles, divots etc). As a realism/hyperrealism artist, I find a lot of value in the style, as long as it has a bit of soul in it.
Congratulations on 600k!
I always loved how some anime backgrounds can look more realistic than real life. This sums it up very well, thank you
Love this! Thank you for sharing your knowledge :) It's very insightful hearing someone articulate this so well!
Hey thanks for mentioning my work! It's an honour 🙏
Thank you for sharing such a refreshing approach to realistic art and how we all can have more fun and freedom in the creative process.
You simply just helped my mindset so much about problems I was not able to define. So glad I found your channel. Thank you!
This is just wonderful. Finally a way to pinpoint what I want to aim for with my art!
I love your videos but I always get excited and scared at the same time because I realize I have a lot to learn!
same! it’s always a little daunting to click on a sinix video...
Great talk! I've been thinking the same, but didn't know how to explain it exactly to other people. Thanks for your videos!
This video was super interesting and informational! I never knew those definitions could be applied to this sort of thing! Thank you!
Im so happy i found this video.
I never knew Post-Realism was the name of what I was aiming for! But that's DEFINITELY it! I come from a cartooning and drawing space, but Post-Realism sensibilities are what appeals to me and where I wanna keep pushing it, even if I'm more of a cartoonist at heart, interesting!! Thanks for the Video!
Just to add or fend off confusion; there was also an 19th century art movement called Realism, but they were concerned with realistic subjects, not necessarily realistic styles. Keep it up!
You have one of the best explorations of art history and contemporary art i see. It's really a gem. I would love to take classes in a school with you. Sadly I can't :P
Everytime I watch your videos, it's so informative & understandable that I can apply it to my Art in a way that works well for me. I wish my art teachers taught me like this in the past lol Thanks, Sinix!
Congrats on 600K subs Sinix! 💪🏽
This video has probably changed the destiny of my art... Now I know what post realism is and I know what I want to strive for
Fico até envergonhada de ver o quanto o Sinix tem conhecimento, com certeza é o que mais me ajudou em todos esses anos ❤️
I love this kind of videos! You explain reaaaaally well the conceptual stuff about art, putting away the "how to do the lines" but more about make your brain work hahaha Thank you for the educational stuff!!
Edit: Keep it on dude!
imo, hyper realism was probably neat when there was no other way of putting reality onto paper but in a world of digital cameras that can create very detailed and color accurate photographs, hyper realism just seems like an artist’s way of wanting to be a discount camera
To me, photorealism is the pursuit of being accurate to photos, whilst hyperrealism is wishing to make something look more real than photography can. Anyways, both can have value because they are methods of expression - the very fact that they no longer have a practical purpose is what can make them expressive, as it is a choice by the artist to subvert expectations.
There's an actual movement called Hyperrealism, what you're talking about is Photorealism
@Ivan Matveyev I did read Dots comment, maybe you should look up Photorealism and Hyperrealism instead?
@@june29378 yeah. My perspective on art, in general, is that as long as the creator believes it to be art then it is. Doesn't matter how pretentious or shallow I think it is - I can call something art without necessarily liking it.
And in defense of naturalism/photorealism, it can depict things which a camera can't (and for that matter, photography is a type of art itself) - e.g, visualisations of cosmic phenomena, fantasy creatures, or sci-fi environments. Going stylised with all of those is also completely valid though, and depends on the effect desired.
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Was there in the stream to hear about this video coming up. Awesome video!
Amazing insights ! I'm so glad I found this channel.
Thanks again Sinix! This is very relevant to what im trying to teach myself atm so this served as a nice reinforcement c:
As always an amazing, enjoyable and informative video!
can't thank you enough for all the artist recommendations
Been studying the skeleton recently and drawing it from imagination was a good way of seeing where I need to improve!
Outstanding! Brilliant! Thanks for everything sinix
You are greatness! Thank you for everything you taught me!!
Great video! Makes you think more about the stuff one wants to create
This kind of videos are dang exhilarating, you can just breath the art
Man how much i love your videos, always learning something :))
This has great implications, thank you so much !
This was great!
I would love a video focused on post-realistic perspective!
thank god ive drawn a lot of skulls using reference before haha. i really like this "essay", youve really put some of my thoughts on art into words. i almost feel like realism is essentially studying every detail and rule of what a person can see.. If they focus and deconstruct the viewed image. but post realism is more like learning how to capture what humans Actually perceive including the mood/feeling, movement, etc (?? hope that made sense lol)
Very nice Sinix! thanks for this content
This is very insightful. Thank you so much!
the king has posted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow I agree with this 100%. It was when I forced myself to throw out almost all my preconceived notions that my skills jumped fast. I recently posted a digital self portrait. You will notice the colors are wildly off at the beginning. That is helping me toss out my preconceived notions of what the color is and I slowly find the real color throughout the painting. I am only year 1 starting on year 2 of self study watching YT videos like this. So I know I am making mistakes. However, the progress from where I was last year is just so great!
2 things i love in art is visible strokes that implies form in a beautiful manner and abstract shapes that your mind fills in the details on it's own.
i feel like i'm not ready to explore that fully yet because my realism is lacking because i haven't drilled it deep enough to understand intuitively how realism works to be able to go beyond realism.
but i don't deny myself from playing around with the concepts for my own fun and curiosity.
weird post-- just like seeing your face and that youre still making videos after all these years!! used to binge watch and follow all the videos in college, like 2009ish! thanks for what you do :)
I'd be really interested to hear how this philosophy overlaps with your Design Theory philosophies about studies/copies to assimilate style. Possibly an idea for a future discussion?
Yay! Awesome video, Sinix! :D
I was already in the post-realism stage for years, but somehow something was missing. I was searching for it for a long time, trying to figure out why I can't take my art to that next level. I looked at a lot of really great and powerful post-realism paintings and I just couldn't figure out what am I missing. I saw they were much better than mine but I couldn't figure out why. But your explanation of it as "overcompensating for the pre-realism mistakes" made something click. This might just b what I was looking for. Thank you!
One of my favorite artist in thus post realism scene has to be Marco Bucci right along with you Sinix in the 1st place lol
There are so many legendary artists i cannot even list a top 10. But i would say Slawek Fedorczuk has insanely lovely post realistic colours in his landscapes. Vyacheslav Safronov has brilliant value control and I can go on and on
Taras Srusak, Ismail Inceoglu, Skadivore, Taran Fiddler, and many many more
congrats on 600k
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Dude your videos are awsome ! Absoloute inspiration!!
Great content as always!!
Congrats on 600k lets go for 1 mil
woah thank you for the new video!
i've been troubled by my own paintings not being "artistic" for a long time and this video answered a lot of my questions thank you so much! i'm just wondering if there's a way to train my eyes to see the parts for exaggeration and omission, and my brain and hands to execute?
I've found that value massing is a great way to start with exaggerating appeal. Like he mentions, making shadows into bigger shapes (massing the values together aka "value massing") will open up opportunities for shape design with those elements. Same with the brightest highlight areas, try making them into big shapes and carefully design their form, plus play with sharp and blurry edges for them.
Wonderful! I love all your videos
I aim for slightly stylized face features and for some reason I feel like if I don’t know how to create good complete realistic features my art won’t be valuable.
Knowing realism helps slytilse things in more subtle and interesting ways, so I wouldn't look at it like two seperate things
@@auqifx i agree. But is it a requirement though? I doubt every famous artist with a recognizable style out there knows how to do proper realism
@@sichibukailaw6418 I think a good way is to study realism every now and then. I aim for a more stylized art style too, anything between semi-realism and even cartoon style. I don't have too much fun drawing realistically so I do it every now and then to improve my style and knowledge! That way you can get better without getting overwhelmed or bored :)
It's also the same the other way around: When people aim for realism it's good to practice more cartoony things too because that's how you can learn more about dynamic drawings and shapes!
Also, people with a certain art style (and, for example, with many followers on social media) tend not to share practice drawings that are not their style or drawings they weren't comfortable with, so it can seem like they always draw the same style.
@@ChocolateShaddixX i do agree that every now and then is good to practice your realism, but the problem that I have is that if you are not able to draw realism it feels like you don’t really know what you are doing. For example someone who draws in a anime style and is pretty famous but his realism work is bad. Would the bad realism take away your stylized drawings? I think it shouldn’t be like that but often people say that to stylize things you need to know how it works first.
@@sichibukailaw6418 At some point you can tell that art you used to find super impressive has many technical flaws that you can't ignore - you see this thanks to studying realism.
For example, if you try to stylise and add a super thin neck to a head like they do in anime, if you don't understand realism you'll place the head in a way that makes no sense - could be inserted in the wrong place, a little too big of a head for the thin neck to support, etc. You'll look at it and think somethings wrong but you can't put your finger on it. You may spend hours trying to fix it not knowing how the neck actually works.
Another example, if you want to tilt someone's head, from realism you can understand the range of motion for the head (how far you can stretch your muscles in different tilts) - so, when you draw heads tilted so that they look behind them, you'll see some artists turn the head so much in a way that is not possible in real life. You can spot the lack of knowledge of how much the head can actually tilt, and then it looks frightening to look at! So I think realism has its place in stylizing, but maybe my explanation was looking too far into the anatomy side. I hope it makes sense though
Great video and congratulation on 600k subs
absolutely amazing video
I mainly draw anime/manga styles drawings but this info is incredibly valuable for anyone who wants to take their anime art to the next level. Especially when talking about shading and skin tones. This is my new face channel to hype me up when I hate my art 💕
for sure :) i draw in a similar style and combining this info and animation/cartoon info on exaggerating face expressions helps so much. it feels less like trying to "draw anime" than just comfortably simplifying things
Loved the entire video
Brilliant video as always, Sinix
For someone who is striving to do the first step into realism, to get into post-realism latter, what would be the steps or fundamentals you'd suggest for someone to learn in order to have a basic understanding of reality? Is there an order to learn stuff, or you just go doing things until you feel like you've learned it?
omg sinix never stop posting please, you teach us things in a way that after i watch almost all your videos i feel like i really can do and be a better artist
You can map this concept pretty much onto every other topic. I try to keep in mind, that my concept of, lets say economics may have the same quality as the pre-realism landscape painting. So instead of beating someone to a pulp (verbally or otherwise) who brings a different set of proposals and arguments to the table, I try to understand where they are coming from. Otherwise I may be the one arguing that „trees are green and have brown trunks, obviously“. The suffering potentially brought into the world by losing sight of this concept in current circumstances is much worse than a bad painting. Just struck me hard while watching the video, so I though I‘d share that. Have a wonderful day, everyone.
da heckkkkk! Here I am, sketching skulls and watching sinix in the background, first thing he tells me to do I'm already doing 😂😂
This video was so informative. I knew I was drawn to certain artists for some reason, but now I know why.
Yo i have been trying to teach my friend this. Thxs for the video. Also, you should do more speedpaints.
Damn, this is indeed a much needed talk on art theory. When I started drawing (and then painting) all I was worried about was realism, and after a year and a half doing basically studies on figure drawing, values, perspective and composition I arrived at a point where all I was doing was trying to get things to look ; but after that I've lost completely my interest in doing art because my works were boring, it lacked the raw power of expression due to overestimating of technique. So now I'm looking (mostly into philosophy books) for ways to bring out the inner experience of my perception, and this is a way harder road than technique learning, which is basically constructed in a training regiment. TL;DR: don't focus at technique in a level that cripples expression, unless you want to do comercial work. Edit: I'm not saying you shouldn't understand these topics (figure, value, hue, perspectie, composition, etc.) what I'm saying is that - I'm my opinion - in non-comercial art you should not let yourself be trapped in the interpretion realm of art, and instead focus on re-interpretation, expression.
I want to say that I agree with your perspective and even though I’m not good at capturing realism, I was losing my passion trying to do so instead I tried to slowing down and looking up different ways to approach the art and it made me feel better but I get worn out and tired trying to think something is either not abstract enough or not realistic enough.