Realism vs Appealism
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- Опубліковано 22 гру 2016
- A bit of a video essay this time. Just wanted to ramble about a subject that has been on my mind. It's a lot of opinions being tossed around, so try not to take anything personally or seriously.
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"I see this as a struggle for a lot of artists. The more technically skilled and talented you become, the more boring your art starts to feel."
Wait, many artists have that problem? That's not just me?! _You have no idea how much that one statement has just made my day!_ All I ever see is people striving for realism, realism, realism, and I tried jumping on that bandwagon too and started getting really frustrated and bored by my artwork. It only started being fun again when I experimented with the style, using what I'd learned about anatomy and exaggerating it in.... funny enough, much the same way I had when I was an art newbie.
When I was an art newbie I exaggerated my figures by making them (the ones I remember most prominently, anyway,) abnormally long and thin. No, looking back on them now I don't think they look good, but I have decided to start stretching them in a similar, but less extreme way and adding some jaggedness and I absolutely love it. It's finally fun to draw again!
The point of art isnt to make pretty things, its to express something. "Appealism" is silly. Your style is just a tool to help express whatever it is you want to express. Even live action movies arent photo realistic - from lighting to color grading and beyond, its all there to help enhance the feeling they want to get. You need to know the rules to break the rules effectively, though. I assure you all/most Pixar artists excel at anatomy and its a big reason why their characters, from human to creature, all feel so lifelike.
@@SuWoopSparrow Agreed. I'm ashamed to admit I used to be that annoying kid who criticized stuff on the basis of how realistic it was. At one point I tried drawing "reaistically", figured it was too early for me, then tried to copy styles, realized there was always something a bit off no matter how stylized the original was, then it all fit together. Realism helps us learn the rules of the natural world that we're so used to so that if we so desire can conjure up a *thing* that people see and make an emotional connection. A Pixar artist can make a character with cheeks as deep as a skull, an ape-like browline and shoulders as big as his waist and it becomes believable because the artist knows how to connect the anatomy and what individual traits mean to people.
@@SuWoopSparrow Nahhh.
Bit late to comment, but I wholly disagree that art should not be used to about making pretty things
I don't think there should be boundaries and rules for art
@@HuangLin-bm1oo Sure, art should take aesthetics into mind. My point is that expression is the purpose of art in any case even if you are just trying to beautify something and taking context into account is the only way to get great, meaningful art. You dont have life without context, so if your art doesnt take context into account then it will fall short.
@@SuWoopSparrow
That, is very true
Love those sketches man, and great insights on stylization regarding plein air painting and interpreting instead of being a human camera. I think hyper realism is quite boring...pointedly pointless to me!
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I think that hyper realism can come in handy, if the circumstances are correct. I personally think that seeing fantasy worlds and mythical creatures drawn as realistic as possible is quite mesmerizing. It makes worlds that don't exist truly come to life, which is interesting to observe. However, just copying exactly what you see, either in real life or a photograph, is somewhat bland. It does make good practice, though. You have to know the rules to break them.
You can learn the fundamental rules so many others ways than by wasting many many hours on hyper realistic stuff. Sure, it's an exerciser, smaller sketches will do you a lot better, when it comes to improvement and exercise . Work smart not hard. :^)
@Keep Rocking! That's not true. Concept artists use realism as a base but the end result is based off their imagination and creativity.
@Keep Rocking! you mean realism, not hyperrealism
For me hyperrealism has become pointless since the invention of the camera, the funny thing is that most hyperrealistic art is painted with the use of a photo anyway. When I go visit an art gallery I want to feel more than just admiration for the skill. Maybe an exception are Gerhard Richter's blurred paintings...
sinix's channel is too underated
500k
it probably had a few less subscribers 4 years ago...
@@pomi1298 you're replying a 4 years old comment based on today fact?
@@szowink lmaoo
@@szowink yo this vid fire i dont even remember watching this
Thank you sinix,
when i lost interest in drawing, i always come back to your channel ,rewatch your videos many times just to get inspired. .!
Never got the point of hyper-realism, glad to hear there are others who feel the same
The point is to show that all your hard work as an artist finally paid off
@@kaylasegura1249 Finally paid off, you mean finally realising how much better a camera is at hyper-realism?
@@kaylasegura1249 Your comment would make sense if there was anything artistic about being a photocopier, in the first place.
Definitely agree with this video. Only thing I'd add is that studying realism and fundamentals is necessary so far as it can push your stylized work to greater heights. My cartoon faces greatly improved when I studied the planes of the face, and learning the planes was easiest through trying to realistically render it and understand what was happening to it's form. The same goes with perspective. It's easier to mess with something you are very comfortable and knowledgable with.
I only say this because I think the easy trap to fall into here is for an artist to say "I don't like realism, so I why would I study it?"
who are you calling pinhead 1:49
"I understood that reference!...what? I understood that reference"
*I'm Dirty-Dan.*
"LANGUAGE"
YES! Thank you for making this. I've been saying this for ages to the people who worship Loomis and sneer at anything else that isn't Adonis male anatomy. I've seen so many artists end up miserable and lose their creativity so much so that they are afraid to paint anything. It's so sad to see someone study so hard just for them to lose the spark they had at the beginning that made them want to paint in the first place. For these reasons I believe it's the spirit of the artist, the thing that compels us to create, that is the most important. We need a culmination of both technical skills and creativity to fulfill ourselves and to communicate to our audience. Even the old masters were not purely realistic, the figures were adapted to popular themes at the time.
I'm totally with you. I'm still a very young artist (22) but I started with making things the most realistic possible. And now, I get used to it and I'm not interested in it anymore. But appeal how you call it is way more important and interesting in art ! That's why we love art. Because an artist can show you some very appealing stuff (for some people) by the forms, the color, the environnement etc. And that a bit because of you people who talks about art in internet that I learned too see art a beter way. I'm sorry if my english is broken as f.
And just a thing, the extremely white background's hurting my eyes it's hard for me to watch :/
I guess stilyzed realism is the thing most people are satisfied with. Also, it's a great thing to learn from this video that less is more in a lot of situations since in art a lot of it lies in subtracting the unnecessary information from the realism.
Dude, learning realism IS important, because having learned realism every choice you make to make your art more appealing becomes a DECISION and not just a mistake. You're conscious of what you're twisting, because you really know how things work, and that's what makes good art, deliberate choices.
Ore lye So maybe I shouldn't learn too much anatomy at all
i agree. although it took me a long time to realise it for myself, that imagination can add so much more to art than a simple camera can
I do not like Picasso...but you telling me about his background makes me respect his decision and be inspired by this quote "...but a lifetime to paint like a child." I would love to find the middle of the road here because I adore realism. I like to pay attention to detail and am a perfectionist. I want to find my own style though. I don't think I have one. :\
The real master of art expresses feeling rather than technique, which is achieved through intuition rather than education. ( Quang Ho )
I had this video in my suggested feed today and id just like to chime in. Your quote at the end about leaving your art home really spoke to me. This is a concept Iv been struggling with for at least the last couple of years and only now am I slowly starting to come round on drawing whatever, however I want, after studying the fundamentals for so long. Watching your videos on colour has really inspired me to just use the whole paintbox.
i absolutely love hyperrealism, and consider it an interesting place to start improving on so you can make surrealism better. and i dont see myself become an artist who only does hyperrealism, but if u are go for it. its just a matter of choice. realism and appealism are both important. but appealism is much more valuable in this day and age, cuz thats what most people like
no shit. appealism appeals to people.
This comes at the right time for me. Thank you very much man!
I think they're both amazing! Since I started drawing realistically, my art has improved tremendously. I've also learned a lot about anatomy and how the human body works, but it's also less fun. You should have a good in between! Have good, proportionate drawings with adequate anatomy while also having an appealing style.
Thank you so much! I've been getting REALLY discouraged recently, because drawing has become a bit of thing in my school, I've been doing it for years now, actually studying and while I appreciate the fact that many people are starting to get into and enjoy art, realism is all that anyone ever thinks is good. There was a talent competition and all the winners were hyper realistic pieces, copied pixel by pixel, sometimes from photos I've already seen. What's more special, something that was drawn, not just from one reference, but five, inspired by different artists, and added to with someone's own personal flair or something that already existed in the even more accurate representation of a photograph. I see no point in being a printer and yet that's quite honestly what I feel pressured to become.
Whenever i feel down or just burnt out i watch any of yours videos and i always get this burst of happiness and inspiration.
This was really helpful! Your content has been outmost valuable to me and I often go back to videos and see if I can pick up something new. I hope to see lots of more from you sinix :)
Thank you so much for this video. I was bouncing around similar ideas for a while now, and I'm glad to hear similar thoughts. It makes me more confident in my art, and now I feel like moving forward will be a little easier.
Ive seen all of sinixes stuff but im on a rerun cuz i improved in my painting in the past years and suddenly everything makes more sense, so ill just keep going,
Thanks for being like my favourite teacher✨
this is such an important topic to discuss! I hope more artist view it!
I always find that the most important thing to have "likeness" in drawings is proportions.
thanks! i was stressing on perspectives and technical stuff, while previously i was totally happy with doing just appealing things. but of course it helped me a lot learning the technical stuff too
Glad that you are uploading again! Always enjoy your videos! I missed you.
mhm. I need to start to do life studies. and I was struggling with this without being able to name it. this video was really useful. Happy holidays!
Wow perfect timing with this one .
was just having an internal dispute on this.
Amazing video. I believe that it is important for artist to know both, anatomy so as perspective but going in that till the very end is boring. You are basically starting to imitate photography, and I agree some of the hyper realistic artworks are indeed breathtaking but at the end what's the point of producing something with your hands that machine can do nowadays.
This is something that I try to explain to people all the time, but fail to come up with the write words.You said it all perfectly.
I can't say enough how much I appreciate this vid. My goal as of late has been to learn the fundamentals and when I try to draw something outside of practice, it's just weird. Not even very appealing to myself. Now I know what might be happening! You gave me hope that I'm not hopeless. Lol
Well said!
In the end, its all really up to you and depends on what you are trying to achieve as an artist and the type of art you want to be making.
This is something that has been on my mind for the longest time. I go to an art school and it feels like we're just copying things exactly how they are with no room for exploration. Thank you for this !
I wouldn't call it appealism, since this kind of abstractions, distortions or deviations from reality are not always made in order to make things more appealing, they are used to make the message more expressive, clear and synthesized (Miró, Bacon, Munch) and trying to deal with the essence of the object (that which goes beyond it's appearance) I think you are referring to the classical illusion vs expression or realism vs abstraction discussion
Realism,Photo realism and hyper have their place in history thats a hard fact,
but today with tech and cameras, the detail they can catch. I find those realistic aspect of art to be at best "show of skill"
and ofc zero level toward your adventure into greatness of art.
but everything goes today, its not what you do, how do you it, realistic or appealing its
counts down to who do you target with your art and target audience, because everything can be art today and nothing.
Thanks for this! you need an artist of a certain confidence and experience even to attempt to talk about this subject. Thanks. On a related topic, you mention several times in the commentary about your "art goals" I am curious as to how you define your goals, how you approach them? How you keep track of progress? and how do you deem that the goals are met. May not be as structured as I put it, but please do elaborate on that. I am very much curious. Thanks Sinix!
Great points! Always felt like these ideas were floating around in the art world, you just happened to say it in the right way.
Thanks sinix, I appreciate your input and ideas.
I luv ya mate. You're the best art teacher on youtube of those that i've seen
What a perfect timing, I was just thinking about this yesterday. How my art style is getting boring because I was too busy focusing on techniques, not the appeal of the drawing
Really great video, as usual! I still got a question, where's the line between stylized and bad anatomy?
Art is subjective so it depends on the person looking at it but I think if the drawing reads differently to the majority of people (in a negative way) that was not the artist's intention they should probably take what other's are saying into account. (Example: The artist posts what they wanted to be a realistic portrait of a happy girl smiling, but everyone who looks at it says the smile is creepy and it's clear they aren't reading the emotion properly. )
This video was really important to me because my drawings got better but they didn't get cooler and I couldn't understand why other people didn't like them as much as my old stuff. I've started to back to more stylized simple stuff now and then and its helping me get my bearing even with realism a lot so ye
I just started taking art seriously one year ago, and I was also one of those people who thought realism is the end goal of art. But when I was actually drawing it, I only draw like 4 realistic portraits and I got tired of it already. It feels restrictive that I have to draw every small detail accurately
YES!! I love zbukivc! this guy is a master at achieving realism with a loose style
I've been studying watercolor painters for some time they all stress out the importance of plein air paintings. nathan fowkes also went thru a journey of plein air paintings, james gurney (which I knew thanks to you)
great topic!
Zbukvic DVDs are amazing, if you haven't checked them out. I could watch them forever.
I have them all! I also recommend his book "Mastering Atmosphere & Mood in Watercolor"
for those who are interested, check apvfilms(dot)com for the dvds
Alvaro Castagnet and Herman Pekel are other watercolor artits which share a similar style
and you, sinix, please do some plein air videos
there's something about traditional media that's just magical, don't you love mixing colors haha?!
Great video sinix, interesting ideas, and very well put :) 10/10
I literally cannot describe what I went through watching this. You are amazing.
two sinix videos in one week! it must be christmas
Really loving those strokes! Strokes of the masters!
This was hugely inspirational in a few ways. Thanks a lot.
Very inspiring speach and a real plaisir to see you drawing menwhile.
This was awesome!! Love your thoughts!
Sinix man.. I find your contents very interesting.Thanks for this video.
really good advice/reminder. thank you for making this video.
Wow, this actually helps a lot. Thanks!
You don't know how much this help me, thank you sincerely :D
Thank you Sinix. Very cool.
I'm really loving this!!!
Some people criticize others for lack of perfection in their anatomy, perspective, proportion, etc. Yes, of course these are important (and we all start from this stage- basics) but it's more interesting to play a little bit especially if you are trying to convey a certain emotion or "characteristic". Too conscious will kill the fun. I'm so glad I came to this channel! Great message and great sketches 😉😁
The sketches Sinix was making reminded me of Samurai Champloo and other boxier, sharper-looking character designs. I wholeheartedly agree on this, there must be a balance between appeal and reality, especially on the subject matter and the mood of the 'story' the art topic is supposed to convey.
Oh! yes..this video helped me a lot! (Cool sketches :) I have never done a super realistic painting or drawing. May be in the art school, but not after that. I always remember one thing my professor told me in the art class though...'Don't draw what you see, draw what it should be or could be.'
As a person that reveres the Classics, Renaissance masters, and Hyperrealism (thus struggles with the journey capture reality perfectly), your video has really eased me and given me a much deeper appreciation for the highly stylized works of art than I previously had.
Personally, I'm not a fan of Picasso but I can also appreciate his philosophy in art. Indeed, because he was in a time where tradition had become idiosyncratic through a growing frustration amongst the people, it's no wonder he became the pinnacle of challenging the established concept of fine art. With that being said, how did he manage to appeal to people with his complete rejection of the fundamentals?
In my observation, what makes a specific work or style of art appealing to people is when it resonates with them. The art must represent or reflect philosophies, values, or perspectives which the person can deeply relate to. An artwork can be interpreted in any way by the audience, and through that they may unconciously find something that they agree with. This is why certain people (and I mean this across all fields of knowledge) have succeeded in a particular era and in no other. If their work's deepest philsophy did not reflect the times nor resonate with their contemporaries, then it would not find itself an audience.
I'll give myself as an example: I like to observe and analyze people because their intricacies are always very interesting, and that nothing replaces hard work because you pay in the most valuable currency known to man: Time.
I revere the masters because I understand how their years of practice come through their work. To me, these perfect capsules of reality represent an arduous journey to transform what has been perceived through the mind and body into new form which remains faithful to the inspiration. It is so difficult to be able to show flowing fabric on marble, the depth on a flat canvas, or dimension on a 2D screen. All of these take painstaking hours of careful observation and subsequent master execution gained only through a holistic understanding of both your subject and your own movement. They are reflections of myself, and give me aspiration as well as inspiration.
You can try and see for yourself then why you like and make the art that you do.
Love this video.
I just realised that we kinda manipulate from reality even our photos, by adding them all kinds of filters. A full fledged artist should know how to manipulate more than that. Color, shapes, proportions, perspective, blocking. All things that need to emphasize the emotion and the message we want to transmit.
Thanks so much for making this! Seems like you have a really interesting channel too! Subbed!
(do you do any traditional painting? you mentioned plien air was it watercolor you were doing?)
The problem with learning fundamentals is that they hone the analytic side of your brain and leave the creative one behind temporarily. It becomes so hard to re activate your creative side when its being over burdened by the analytical one
I really liked your video and watching you sketch was very pleasing. Also, this doesn't relate to the video in any way but I just wanted to say your voice is very soothing.. ☺️👌🏻
im new at art and this is one of the things i think about the most when practicing the fundamentals, i dont want to be sucked in the whole being 100% accurate thing, i want o learn them so i can tweak them to accomplish what i want in what piece i am doing and right now i dont have a clue on how im going to do that :(
I'm really good at realism but now im more interested in making original art which i find really challenging
something that I wasnt able to put into words, thank you.
real food for thought, loved the video keep it up
Great video as usual, I believe this is an art conversation worth having and the little bits of wisdom thrown in the video are very very helpful. Also what's the name of the artist at 4:40? Phil what? I'm in love with that style, the colors and shapes oh man.
Phil Hale
Apostolos Paschalidis awesome! thanks a lot dude, I hope you get something cool for Christmas.
Enzo Thanks budy! hope you get smthing kool as well :) have a great xms and a lvly new year!
i know that I'm a little late, but what's the name of the second artist he cited in this part of the video?
@@oiacopas Jenny Saville 👌
I agree with most of what you said :)
The thing I find important is to learn realism first
for example anatomy you can always not practice anatomy and say it's my stile but more experienced artists will still know wether you drew something wrong because of appealism or just because you don't it better ^^
If you know the basics everything else is a matter of taste :)
For me I developed a basic style of my own as for all artists mine also constantly evolves so I started to like (kind of) realistic shading/ coloring but I want to put that on the drawings in my style.
I think anyone with enough practice can learn to draw hyper realistic but if you don't ad anything that shows you made it you could put that illustration next to another hyper realistic illustration by another artist and you could not tell that it was made by different people. For me the best thing about art is that every artist thinks differently so if nobody copies another person nobody does ever draw exactly the same because everyone sees the world differently and that's why I think appealism which leads to an artists style is very important :)
Lets F****** GO! My newest favorite teacher, Sinix, also loves my previous fav and watercolor master, J. Zbukky. So happy when I find shared influence in another artist! Sinix my man, hit me up.
That's just what i need!!! Thx! (With your own voice)
Very interesting video and I fully agree.
for me, my goal is to best convey the ideas in my mind by drawing them for others to see
6:55 "just rely on appeal and throw planning out the window."
My art teacher had me do a study of a b&w artwork of a city street. I looked at the drawing, stuck my nose up and complained that the artist got the perspective wrong. I copied it (or part of it) with technically correct perspective. Mine looked terrible.
You are totally right, I feel like my art was a lot better when I started, I was not afraid to experiment even I knew it sucks, nowadays its totally flipped, Im kind of afraid to try something new and also the art is super boring, but well rendered. I hate that.
THIS IS SO INSIGHTFUL "there's no complex mathematical calculationi going on in his head"
im so glad ive started to watch some of Sinix's stuff omg
Why is this video so underrated compared to everything else?? Only 204 comments
THIS VIDEO AND DISCUSSION IS SO HELPFULLLLLLLLLLLL T.T
from my knowledge, he was less of prodigy and more of a kid that was taught discipline at a pretty young age by his artist dad.
from his studies, you can still see distortion from reality. I think of his type of art (cubism and other more abstract) as something that came from him viscerally
Valuable idea, worth to remember.
GREAT video.
hi sinix i was a big fan of your videos for a long time, your method of teaching has helped me a lot during high school. it has been a few years since i graduated and now have moved on to something bigger to try and further improve my artistic skills. i am in one of the "best" art collages in my country and i am greatly depressed :/. the collage that i am in doesn't stand up to its reputation and i feel like my learning process is on a stand still. so now i am i a place i cant get out of, and i'm forced to draw and paint in a way that is not natural to me and i feel less and less exited to draw my own creations every day. i know this is a lengthy comment but i was wondering if you could do a video (if you didn't make one already) on what to do if your maybe having second thoughts about being a professional artist or how to motivate your self to overcome such obstacles. thank you :)
kinez 12345 draw your own stuff
great video
This inspires me to stray away from what I'm stuck in :)
can u tell me, wich kind of brush u use in corel painter, for that kind of sketching? like on 8:00
Does anyone know where I can buy a smudge brush like the one in Corel for Photoshop
Love you!
hit the nail on the head dood
Bridgeman's figures and posing are very stylized.
well said!
I chose art to enter a a different world of imagination not to learn realism and recreate those already there things in a piece of paper
So realism is no for me ,but it depends upon mood like sometimes i want to draw realistic and most of the time stylistic and appealing to eyes with attractive colors
yea
Really interesting video and I agree with a lot of what you've said. I know you paint with Corel painter, but what do you use for line work, I've been struggling to find a program that really works for me
Gum Man I've heard paint tool SAI and CLIP STUDIO PAINT are good for that since they're vector based this creating smooth lines. CLIP STUDIO PAINT is cheap too. Look at the reviews, tutorials and artwork and see what you think of it :)
He uses corel painter for all his mark making, he does use photoshop sometimes for editing though.
Clip Studio Paint is great for linework. 1. There is a built in stabilizer which you can fully control to help you smooth out your lines. 2. You can use any brush on a vector layer, which allows you to adjust lines easily using points. There are a ton of vector shape tools, including a continuous curve tool, and a symmetry ruler. There is a free trial available and I use it for all of my work.
he uses Corel for his lines to
Would be nice if you could overview amateur artwork and show mistakes beginner do when they get started...
besides, nice work man...
What can i say, i'm crazy about realism and my goal is to reach the hiperrealistic level, just like Kyle Lambert's. But i guess everyone brains define beauty in a different way. Just my opinion :P
miapi yeah sinix made a lot of opinionated comments as the ultimate truths in this video. But they were good opinions, just arrogantly said.
hey,my English is not good enough:(
What's the definition of appealism actually?
but what if I want to learn realism as a foundation
So can you draw feet or not?
So true
This is so true 🔥