Counter Guardians are very unique for being Servants, since unlike other Servants. They're usually aren't true Heroic Spirits. They're mostly just nobodies. But nobodies who are well equipped enough, to handle situations that the Counter Force itself deems it. And that is very charming to me Nobodies. People who were never worshipped and known by anyone else. And yet, they managed to be recognized by a pair of Supernatural entities, to be keepers of balance and order
That's a very real way to look at it. But also makes you wonder what that 'nobody' has to do to get chosen as one. Most importantly, why would anyone agree to it? Think people like normal humans like Rin or Sakura. Heck, even Shinji as a CG! Although at the same time, I wouldn't say just nobodies either. Cause the Okita kinda put a hole in that. Correct me if I'm wrong. She was already a Servant/Heroic Spirit in the sister. Yet the Counter Force has another Okita at the ready? Not that I don't like Okita Atler cause her Design a 12/10 but why tho? Unrelated note here: Sorry but I can't be the only one who as soon as see the word Nobodies, can't help but think about Kingdom Hearts. I think I play too many KH games.
@@sleepylmguy9968 Okay. I do know that the Counter Force's Guardians aren't always nobodies. That is why I had the keyword "mostly" From what I understand about Alaya's choices for Gaurdians. They don't always have to be nobodies. It is only really individuals who are capable enough to handle a problem, that is all. So because of that. The Counter Force is no stranger for recruiting well known/famous individuals to their ranks. but also people who weren't worshipped as much
@@sleepylmguy9968 Well Okita is a special case since her mother made the contract with Alaya because she thought it was the Buddha and in return for saving Okita’s life as a newborn Okita would serve the Counter Force. This would end up creating Okita Alter because Okita was able to become recognized enough to be recorded as a proper Heroic Sprit. Okita Alter is just a duplicate the Counter Force made because the regular Okita became a proper Heroic Spirit so she the original couldn’t serve the Counter Force so the Counter Force just created another Okita.
@@sleepylmguy9968 A people who ascended to Heroic Spirit status with the help of Alaya will be automatically become a CG. Ryoma might have been boasted by Alaya in some point in his life, so being famous really doesn't matter to Alaya. Alaya also doesn't get his CG in one universe but in all multiverses in Nasuverse so you can never be surprise, you could see any Heroic Spirit as CG except those close to the gods(high divinity)
I find it hilarious how Counter Guardian Emiya could be the reason Roman Empire fell from when he killed Imperial Roman Legionaries. God knows how many empire and country Emiya ended to keep the balance.
If their is a legend that empire or a kingdom that was destroyed by god's light, that was probably EMIYA just nuking the things out with Caladbolg or more powerful NP
Just imagine how many battles emiya archer must have fought as a CG to go up against the likes of medea, heracles, cu chulain and cursed arm hassan? The dude straight up killed berserker six times without using UBW in a weakened state.
I'm glad to know that there isn't just two or three counter guardians as I first thought. I also agree that they should be a story for counter guardian Shirou Emiya so that we can properly understand the events of his life and time line.
there is plenty in lore , the problem is that Nasu do not make them due to CGs been true OCs most of times. Ignoring Ryoma , all the others are full OC parallel version of already existing characters , because if not , you would had a Counter-Guardian in which you wouldn't be actually invested and that would end up as just gary stus. Imagine if you had some entirely new face/ new servant with a whole cyberpunk motiff showing up and defeating some hype character like Karna Alter or whatever, because it's a Counter-Guardian from 2532 AD with a bunch of future shenanigans...it wouldn't be really fun , right? it would be just a total random deus ex machina because no one in the plot had the capacity to defeat some Karna Alter. The only way to solve such OC is if you explain the whole background of 2532 AD to make you emotionally invested , that is why the quicker version is just using a CG version of other Nasuverse characters or a CG that are more of unsonged heroes of the past.
@@phantasosxgames8488 then theres the other half of the CGs like Archetype Earth & Crimson Moon nasu likes to tease as his super duper vague "humanity will never comprehend, nor defeat them" god biengs
@@APrinnyDood that is because they are Gaia's CGs , not Alaya's. at the end of the day , Gaia simply makes their CGs from zero , specially crafted for the task in hand , while Alaya deploys heroic spirits CGs
@@phantasosxgames8488 Now that you mention it, I suppose Alaya just deploys/strengthens its CGs and never has bodyjacked any of its CGs like Gaia seems to do on occasion when it feels like getting involved personally
You missed one more counter guardian that we’ve seen in Mahōtsukai no Yoru anytime Aoko thought of using true magic and tapping into the root the Red shadow would appear and that entity is most definitely a counter guardian.
Could you imagine if the reason emiya is always seen along side nero and tamamo is because as a counter guardian he was at the same place as both of them before their deaths because they were seen as threats to be eliminated, we see him at the burning of rome, and in tamamos back story in extra you can see arrows around her emplying archers were shooting at her as she was running away after getting her cover blone, we also know she can be seen as a threat close to a beast and nero has connections to mother harlot the beast of 666 Just food for thought as we have seen beasts 1 through 4, and the alien god has been labeled as beast 7, with beast 3 and 6 coming in pairs, beast 6 could be nero and tamamo or more specifically, the beast of mother harlot and the 9 tailed fox as beast 6R/L respectively
@@randalthevandal4170 with the way fate is it is fun to speculate, and with Tamamo in all the media she is in from extra to extella to fgo she is constantly mentioned to be capable of being a threat strong enough for the world to consider her a threat if she had all of her tails back, Nero has been elluded to multiple times to be connected to mother harlot who thanks to prototype is labeled a beast of humanity or more specifically the beast she sits upon, the both of them are always shown together to the point tamamo was actually supposed to be the floor master of the 4th stratum in last encore but was cut due to time constraints
@@randalthevandal4170 honestly not really sure as Carnival Phantasm coming back made me wish it was FGO/Tsukihime like original CP was Stay Night/Tsukihime but I guess the cast is too big to do something like that, but given Nero's personality I think she can get along with anyone so long as they don't steal her thunder(like Artoria being the face of Fate)
Still waiting for the Wrought Iron Hero spinoff... I'd take a future season of El Melloi Case Files as Waver still needs to help Rin destroy the Fuyuki ritual in every timeline and I would also take him meeting Shirou in the Middle East either already having made a pact or have him make it during the course of the season. I suppose this would mean Case Files takes place during EMIYA's route but they can also just wink and say this season or version of events happened only in EMIYA's route and the other seasons happened in every timeline. Or you could have Shirou become a Guardian as a post credits treat. Or you could have UBW Shirou not become one to demonstrate how this route was different.
Waver and Rin only take out the grail in Fate and UBW routes...HF I Can't say cause potential spoilers but if you know you know why, as for Emiya's story as to how he became a Guardian...They'd have to include him getting his red coat from everyones FAVORITE Curry Lover Ciel!
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem Fate route Shirou doesn't make a contract with alaya either..Nasu has flat out said that no Shirou from either of the three routes become like Archer at the end of those stories, Fate route Shirou specifically goes to Avalon after he dies
@Sean Nosdo yeah, and I also just found out that Case Files takes place in a separate route from pretty much every other. I also meant the Final Mages Fuyuki war thing as separate from Waver meeting Shirou. I still think we can get something with Shirou in the middle east if they want to. In the Mages War probably not but we do know that will be illustrated. He will probably just get passing mention by Rin or some other characters or something. Still I can hope.
not a fan theory its something thats confirmed, Jeanne was backed by the Counter Force and those backed by the Counter Force are always the first line of defense...if they fall the Guardians are deployed
The Counter Guardians are defo one of my favourite things from Fate. Their role is just really cool. Being called into action when the world needs ithem.
Yeah, i would like an Emiya spin off too. Make it multi routed too. A route he becomes Emiya with good ending, then a bad ending, then an ending when he becomes Emiya alter.
@@kingcobra2858 That which abased the spirit of the man who was as the steel of a sword is said to have been a woman akin to the Holy Mother in her compassion. The price that the man came to pay in pursuing the subjugation of her Malice (魔性, masei?, lit. "demonic nature"; often used to refer to "demonic allure") was the 'disposal' of her many followers; by their martyrdom did he fall to the Path of the Heretics (魔道, madou?, lit. "demonic path"; in Buddhism, a walk of existence beyond the Six PathsWP, from which there can be no salvation).
At first, I thought Counter Guardians were anti-servant spirits, meaning they can fight actual servants head-on. And I also thought that all Counter Guardians have the special ability to lower nearby servants' parameters without anyone noticing, something like a passive debuffing skill that works on all servants except fellow Counter Guardians. And I always liked that concept, an anti-servant spirit that hunts down rogue servants and carrying out the Will of Humanity.
7:00 I saw somewhere that Beast VI (Beast of 666) is Nero Claudius (Alter). Check out her page for more information. It REALLY seems like Type Moon has foreshadowed a conflict with EMIYA and King Arthur (Prototype) against Nero (Beast).
An interesting part of how the counter guardian works is that even the will of the planet (which doesn't work togheter with the will of humanity) can act in case of being threatened which are, just like Alaya, two ways: Specific creatures that can deal with dangers such as outsider gods or humans (like True ancetors and Arcueid herself if she reaches the apex of power and becoming the Ultimate One of the earth) The beast IV to deal with humanity if they reach a point of serious danger themselves (as the primate murderer is supposedly born to understand and then perfectly kill any human) These can easly backfire btw
EMIYA is one of my favorite characters in all of fiction. I love everything about his concept, his misguided ideals, and the tragedy of where they got him. As well as how his interactions with his past self sort of "saved" him in a way, even though being actually saved was never possible for him. I spent about a month after the end of UBW reading EMIYA centered fanfiction and consuming anything else I could from Fate and such. I would absolutely watch a show featuring the counter guardians.
i would also like to see how Shirou became Emiya. i would also like to see the other Shirou routes that got scrapped. mainly because every time shirou ends up with someone else they change something about him. Shirou is like a blank canvas. or like the anime so aptly stated he has a heart of glass. reflecting the world around him. o think the closest thing we ever got to seeing shirou almost become emiya i beilve had to do with ciels route, because if i remember correctly it was hinted at that she was the one to have given him his iconic Shourd of Martin. either way theyd be fun to see.
In summary, Alaya has a fetish for sad, tanned, japanese men... Alaya still doesn't know why Okita is a woman but since she still checks all the other boxes she thinks that a waifu is good too.
Idea: There's a few different endings of Stay Night where Artoria actually completes her contract. How would PENDRAGON be different from regular Pendragon?
I would really rather see another modern Counter Guardian like the Emiyas. Just another kid from our times, risking it all to do something good for the world, and forming a contract to succeed. Doesn't have to be a story of regret either.
I gotta agree personally Emiya’s path to counter guardian would be nice to watch. However for me i would love to see more counter guardians and stories for them being animated or set in fgo. I’m not super far into the game i’m in camalot. Part of me feels there isn’t enough counter guardians but that’s just me
As interesting as It would be to find out more about EMIYA, I'm also quite curious to see more Counter Guardians. Saber(Artoria) for example had a Contract with the counter force, she just never completed it and abandoned the contract and so she never became a Guardian. But what if she had completed it..
Ah yes the counter guardian story something Fate related that doesn't involve that pesky holy grail that Type Moon and Nasu think needs to prevalent in any Fate related work
There was a time I didn't think they would animate some scenes from Fate/Hollow Ataraxia into Heaven's Feel. This kinda gives me hope that they will some day animate Realta Nua for its finale.
the thing is that the counter force isn't sending counter guardians to stop a threat before it happens, it only sends counter guardians when the threat has already happened and to stop it. Making the guardians stop it by basically nuking everything.
i also like the idea of seeing an anime with mutible counter guardians, maybe an ova which has the archer we know meeting them and interacting with them on missions
This was very much needed for me cuz I always wondered what the fuck a Counter Guardian was. Also had no idea that there were others besides Emiya. Though I gotta be honest, not sure how I feel about that being a thing in Fate universe. I liked it more when I thought that only actual humans had to deal with their problems, and thats what made the relevant figures strong enough to later be summoned as servants to fight in the grail war.
But that was never the case. The original VN has Emiya talking about the role of Counter Guardians and why they exist, humans never dealt with their problems, they caused them. That's pretty much why he started to hate humans, because they made him their janitor (and this applies to other CG's).
Actually these missiles are really cheap and they lobbed a thousand at Israel and due to the geography they don't actually need any kind of sophisticated guidance system to hit something in Israel. That's where the Iron dome comes in which is smart enough to differentiate and target the rockets that will hit critical & populous areas and ignore the ones that'll land at something not worthwhile.
Felt like they knew how interested fans are with shiro's journey becoming counter guardian or artoria's flashback when she's alive But they focused on making way more new IP or side stories instead
Idk what type of system was used in this incident, but for example, M270 MLRS could launch a total of 12 unguided rockets in quick succession. In other words, you'd need only 84 of them, if you wanted to fire off 1000 missiles in one volley. It's really quite impressive and could level a decent size area, but in the end, it's only 84 vehicles. Not really much compared to artillery concentrations of WW1.
You need to do a don’t sleep on okita and karna especially okita because a lot of folks don’t pay attention to how op she is especially in the guda guda events
I always wonder, how much mana does a CG get from Alaya? Like in FSN, how powerfull would Emiya be if he was a CG instead of Rins servant, because surely he'll get more mana from Alaya than Rin.
Is Artoria also a Counter Guardian? I know that Saber (F/SN) is basically a candidate that's mid-contract and it gets annuled when she abandons the quest for the Grail, but that's just the one we know; are there parallel versions which did succeed and are now Counter Guardians? Would explain the whole thing of the "Holy Sword Wielder" who slew Sefar; since CG's are outside of the timeline, a Counter Guardian Artoria could have pulled it off.
The story of Counter Guardian EMIYA (Shirou, it seems to be a family thing) would be RATHER sad. Illya's death, him leaving Fuyuki, with Sakura falling into despair very slowly, Taiga trying to go on with her life and trying to be chearful whenever he is back, but slowly being wore down, seeing another Kiritsugu. Rin tagging along for a while, but in the end separating from him. Until Shirou is completely alone. And the final arc, where Shirou heads for his death. It will be tragic, because we know that DOES NOT break him. What breaks him will be left out, the time he served the Counter Force, slowly making him understand that he is only a deluded killer.
I heard it was said in an interview that Archer Emiya failed to save Saber in his version of fate route and that was the beginning of things going down hill for him
Just found ur channel and loving the vids so far. I do have a question though after watching this vid i hope someone could answer. If i remember correctly, Okita Alter has a dialogue line where she calls EMIYA a senpai. So does this mean that it is possible for EMIYA to be the first counter guardian? Or that there is a low key timeframe for counter guardians to become counter guardians?
I mean the real life situation is awful, but I don't think it's Counter Guardian material. These guys are summoned when there is a threat to mankind's survival, not just any conflict. It just isn't that great a scale from a "humanity as a whole" perspective.
Yup Guardians are literally the last resort to ALOT Of Shit that isn't Beast Related (Granted it is confirmed it takes 7 or so Guardians to handle Primate Murder who in Tsukihime timelines is Fou who didn't gain a love for humanity) Can bet your ass if Alaya wasn't stuck unable to do shit during the Incineration of Humanity Guardians would be deployed willy nilly....then theres the whole theory that we the Player Master (Ritsuka) are likely unwilling/unknowningly helping the Counter Force with the whole Lostbelt shitz
@@DANSTER999 If CF was not stuck unable to do anything, forget CG, Alaya would deploy seven Grands just like the original version of the Heroic Spirit Summoning Ritual
@@justinvirola2084 I know, that's why I said they can all ready be any class, I really don't see the point of them having their own class as it kinda defeats the point: they are ordinary people who did amazing things to save the day. Giving them a special class feels like it cheapens that.
@@jacobtutt6674 true and most CG's hate their jobs especially the EMIYA family even TOHSAKA(unofficial CG capsule servant) tried to kill her younger self, very hypocritic indeed
As a counter guardian, does Emiya remember all the fate routes? Does he get déjà vu? Like when Rin and Archer went to Shirou's house to save him from Lancer. Would Archer remember that Shirou ends up summoning Saber?
Their are two thing Archer EMIYA won't forget unless his totally broken like his Alter self, that would be the time where he made promise with Kiritsugo and the time he summoned Saber
If I am correct, and do double check on this info for it maybe a mistranslation. The Prisma Ilya series has a counter guardian specificaly deployed at the Miyu-verse's Pandora's box problem. She is an airheaded tank though similar to Okita Alter.
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Just has you say it has takes 7 CG to stopped primate murder, however Knowing that their goal was to stopped him and not to kill and Knowing that fou is the ultimate predator against humanoid life form and that CG are pretty much only good at killing. I think this feat is impressive
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Shirou : "I want to become a Hero of Justice!"
Archer : "No you don't"
Alaya : "Heck yes He is"
Alaya loves that "Bone of his sword" EMIYA
Facts
alaya needs best boi emiya
Counter Guardians are very unique for being Servants, since unlike other Servants. They're usually aren't true Heroic Spirits. They're mostly just nobodies. But nobodies who are well equipped enough, to handle situations that the Counter Force itself deems it.
And that is very charming to me
Nobodies. People who were never worshipped and known by anyone else. And yet, they managed to be recognized by a pair of Supernatural entities, to be keepers of balance and order
That's a very real way to look at it. But also makes you wonder what that 'nobody' has to do to get chosen as one. Most importantly, why would anyone agree to it? Think people like normal humans like Rin or Sakura. Heck, even Shinji as a CG!
Although at the same time, I wouldn't say just nobodies either. Cause the Okita kinda put a hole in that. Correct me if I'm wrong. She was already a Servant/Heroic Spirit in the sister. Yet the Counter Force has another Okita at the ready? Not that I don't like Okita Atler cause her Design a 12/10 but why tho?
Unrelated note here: Sorry but I can't be the only one who as soon as see the word Nobodies, can't help but think about Kingdom Hearts. I think I play too many KH games.
@@sleepylmguy9968 Okita Souji Alter is 🔥🔥🔥👀 Intelligent mind, superhuman strength and speed AND a beautiful body and cute face to match.
@@sleepylmguy9968 Okay. I do know that the Counter Force's Guardians aren't always nobodies. That is why I had the keyword "mostly"
From what I understand about Alaya's choices for Gaurdians. They don't always have to be nobodies. It is only really individuals who are capable enough to handle a problem, that is all. So because of that. The Counter Force is no stranger for recruiting well known/famous individuals to their ranks. but also people who weren't worshipped as much
@@sleepylmguy9968 Well Okita is a special case since her mother made the contract with Alaya because she thought it was the Buddha and in return for saving Okita’s life as a newborn Okita would serve the Counter Force. This would end up creating Okita Alter because Okita was able to become recognized enough to be recorded as a proper Heroic Sprit. Okita Alter is just a duplicate the Counter Force made because the regular Okita became a proper Heroic Spirit so she the original couldn’t serve the Counter Force so the Counter Force just created another Okita.
@@sleepylmguy9968 A people who ascended to Heroic Spirit status with the help of Alaya will be automatically become a CG. Ryoma might have been boasted by Alaya in some point in his life, so being famous really doesn't matter to Alaya.
Alaya also doesn't get his CG in one universe but in all multiverses in Nasuverse so you can never be surprise, you could see any Heroic Spirit as CG except those close to the gods(high divinity)
Basically they are Nasuverse Terminators, but more depressing, reality kill happy & inconsistent on why & when their boss ALAYA does it job.
I find it hilarious how Counter Guardian Emiya could be the reason Roman Empire fell from when he killed Imperial Roman Legionaries. God knows how many empire and country Emiya ended to keep the balance.
If their is a legend that empire or a kingdom that was destroyed by god's light, that was probably EMIYA just nuking the things out with Caladbolg or more powerful NP
@@aishi_rei Meanwhile, Boudica is watching all of It with popcorn and a smile on her face
Like Camelot falling. Tis a canon event. Probably
@@markedelylumbao1609that would be kinda funny
Just imagine how many battles emiya archer must have fought as a CG to go up against the likes of medea, heracles, cu chulain and cursed arm hassan?
The dude straight up killed berserker six times without using UBW in a weakened state.
We have to consider the deen animes version of the fight as the way it actually went down...since Kanshou and Bakuya overedge originated there
@@DANSTER999 I'm sure that was on the "Sparks Liner High" End
@@therodrigosaurio1093 Kanshou and Bakuya overedge originated from Deen Stay Night but Triple Crane Wings originated from Sparks Liner High.
Archer may or may not have encountered Odin because he mentions Cu's spear rivals Odin's which I forget the name of it
@@narutogen13 Gungir
How do I weaponize my wife as a dragon?
I'm uhh...asking for a friend.
Ask sakamoto. He'll probably have an answer.
Step one. find a dragon.
Step two, attempt to make her fall in love with you.
Step three, you either die or succeed, I ain't your wingman.
I'm glad to know that there isn't just two or three counter guardians as I first thought.
I also agree that they should be a story for counter guardian Shirou Emiya so that we can properly understand the events of his life and time line.
there is plenty in lore , the problem is that Nasu do not make them due to CGs been true OCs most of times.
Ignoring Ryoma , all the others are full OC parallel version of already existing characters , because if not , you would had a Counter-Guardian in which you wouldn't be actually invested and that would end up as just gary stus.
Imagine if you had some entirely new face/ new servant with a whole cyberpunk motiff showing up and defeating some hype character like Karna Alter or whatever, because it's a Counter-Guardian from 2532 AD with a bunch of future shenanigans...it wouldn't be really fun , right? it would be just a total random deus ex machina because no one in the plot had the capacity to defeat some Karna Alter.
The only way to solve such OC is if you explain the whole background of 2532 AD to make you emotionally invested , that is why the quicker version is just using a CG version of other Nasuverse characters or a CG that are more of unsonged heroes of the past.
@@phantasosxgames8488 then theres the other half of the CGs like Archetype Earth & Crimson Moon nasu likes to tease as his super duper vague "humanity will never comprehend, nor defeat them" god biengs
@@APrinnyDood that is because they are Gaia's CGs , not Alaya's.
at the end of the day , Gaia simply makes their CGs from zero , specially crafted for the task in hand , while Alaya deploys heroic spirits CGs
@@phantasosxgames8488 thank you both for this enlightening information.
@@phantasosxgames8488 Now that you mention it, I suppose Alaya just deploys/strengthens its CGs and never has bodyjacked any of its CGs like Gaia seems to do on occasion when it feels like getting involved personally
Favorite guardian Emiya
Which one: Yes
You missed one more counter guardian that we’ve seen in Mahōtsukai no Yoru anytime Aoko thought of using true magic and tapping into the root the Red shadow would appear and that entity is most definitely a counter guardian.
Maybe EMIYA cause his the most red among the known CG cause Alaya doesn't like anyone reaching the root, it causes many problem to humanity
It's EMIYA
The job where you need to read the fine print before signing up.
I want a counter guardian meeting in the grand carnival.
Now I actually wonder, has it ever happened that more than one CG was sent to deal with a world ending crisis?
@@CptPhilippnes that’s typically a scenario where a Beast is involved and Grand Servants are deployed
You keep mentioning Shirou Emiya, but all I see is Actually Satan.
because Emiya is like an angel who does his job to the point where he can't see humanity anymore (alter)
Actually Satan? All i see is bite me.
Actually Satan? All i see is bite me.
Actually satan? All i see is bite me.
Bite me Bite me
Could you imagine if the reason emiya is always seen along side nero and tamamo is because as a counter guardian he was at the same place as both of them before their deaths because they were seen as threats to be eliminated, we see him at the burning of rome, and in tamamos back story in extra you can see arrows around her emplying archers were shooting at her as she was running away after getting her cover blone, we also know she can be seen as a threat close to a beast and nero has connections to mother harlot the beast of 666
Just food for thought as we have seen beasts 1 through 4, and the alien god has been labeled as beast 7, with beast 3 and 6 coming in pairs, beast 6 could be nero and tamamo or more specifically, the beast of mother harlot and the 9 tailed fox as beast 6R/L respectively
That's actually a possibility
@@randalthevandal4170 with the way fate is it is fun to speculate, and with Tamamo in all the media she is in from extra to extella to fgo she is constantly mentioned to be capable of being a threat strong enough for the world to consider her a threat if she had all of her tails back, Nero has been elluded to multiple times to be connected to mother harlot who thanks to prototype is labeled a beast of humanity or more specifically the beast she sits upon, the both of them are always shown together to the point tamamo was actually supposed to be the floor master of the 4th stratum in last encore but was cut due to time constraints
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This has nothing to do with our discussion but do you think that nero and Nero chaos would get along?
@@randalthevandal4170 honestly not really sure as Carnival Phantasm coming back made me wish it was FGO/Tsukihime like original CP was Stay Night/Tsukihime but I guess the cast is too big to do something like that, but given Nero's personality I think she can get along with anyone so long as they don't steal her thunder(like Artoria being the face of Fate)
It seems your theory has now some definite proof in the arcade and Fgo
Still waiting for the Wrought Iron Hero spinoff...
I'd take a future season of El Melloi Case Files as Waver still needs to help Rin destroy the Fuyuki ritual in every timeline and I would also take him meeting Shirou in the Middle East either already having made a pact or have him make it during the course of the season. I suppose this would mean Case Files takes place during EMIYA's route but they can also just wink and say this season or version of events happened only in EMIYA's route and the other seasons happened in every timeline. Or you could have Shirou become a Guardian as a post credits treat. Or you could have UBW Shirou not become one to demonstrate how this route was different.
Waver and Rin only take out the grail in Fate and UBW routes...HF I Can't say cause potential spoilers but if you know you know why, as for Emiya's story as to how he became a Guardian...They'd have to include him getting his red coat from everyones FAVORITE Curry Lover Ciel!
@@DANSTER999 I saw the HF movies. I see, that's how that is taken care of permanently. Thank you.
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem Fate route Shirou doesn't make a contract with alaya either..Nasu has flat out said that no Shirou from either of the three routes become like Archer at the end of those stories, Fate route Shirou specifically goes to Avalon after he dies
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem oh ohhhhhhhh gotcha! I'd totally be down for that too tho
@Sean Nosdo yeah, and I also just found out that Case Files takes place in a separate route from pretty much every other. I also meant the Final Mages Fuyuki war thing as separate from Waver meeting Shirou. I still think we can get something with Shirou in the middle east if they want to. In the Mages War probably not but we do know that will be illustrated. He will probably just get passing mention by Rin or some other characters or something. Still I can hope.
I once heard a fan theory Janne being a counter guardian and the voice she heard was of counter force
not a fan theory its something thats confirmed, Jeanne was backed by the Counter Force and those backed by the Counter Force are always the first line of defense...if they fall the Guardians are deployed
So the 100 year wars was a anomaly?
It seems to me, the gods believe by Solomon, Saints and King Hassan was the Counter Force(high likely Alaya)
@@kyleroman2744 King Hassan and Solomon are Grand Servants
@@kyleroman2744 also, some gods *are* actual gods
The Counter Guardians are defo one of my favourite things from Fate. Their role is just really cool. Being called into action when the world needs ithem.
i really wanna see the final days of Shirou in life and the early days of Shirou as a guardian to be animated into an anime.
Yeah, i would like an Emiya spin off too. Make it multi routed too. A route he becomes Emiya with good ending, then a bad ending, then an ending when he becomes Emiya alter.
EMIYA became an alter because of Kiara
@@AlteredProf is that part of his actual lore?
@@kingcobra2858 That which abased the spirit of the man who was as the steel of a sword is said to have been a woman akin to the Holy Mother in her compassion. The price that the man came to pay in pursuing the subjugation of her Malice (魔性, masei?, lit. "demonic nature"; often used to refer to "demonic allure") was the 'disposal' of her many followers; by their martyrdom did he fall to the Path of the Heretics (魔道, madou?, lit. "demonic path"; in Buddhism, a walk of existence beyond the Six PathsWP, from which there can be no salvation).
@kingcobra2858 the Holy mother in this case is Kiara
Love the fact your making content again ^^ keep pushing
Yes sir!!!
At first, I thought Counter Guardians were anti-servant spirits, meaning they can fight actual servants head-on. And I also thought that all Counter Guardians have the special ability to lower nearby servants' parameters without anyone noticing, something like a passive debuffing skill that works on all servants except fellow Counter Guardians. And I always liked that concept, an anti-servant spirit that hunts down rogue servants and carrying out the Will of Humanity.
Your right about the CG can take on a Servant but they don't have power a power that could weaken a Servant
@@kyleroman2744 But Alaya sure as hell does
@@mythos5276 I don't know about Alaya but Gaia(?) does have the auto correction of magecraft
7:17 Emiya Archer spawns and sees the missiles
Emiya Archer: Oh shit! *starts rapidly firing arrows*
7:00 I saw somewhere that Beast VI (Beast of 666) is Nero Claudius (Alter). Check out her page for more information. It REALLY seems like Type Moon has foreshadowed a conflict with EMIYA and King Arthur (Prototype) against Nero (Beast).
Well I guess we weren't wrong. I don't think anyone expected VI to be /four/ parts
Kiritsugu did nothing wrong
Yeye
Fax he's the coolest guy
yeah
I agree
Honestly the world is just cruel
An interesting part of how the counter guardian works is that even the will of the planet (which doesn't work togheter with the will of humanity) can act in case of being threatened which are, just like Alaya, two ways:
Specific creatures that can deal with dangers such as outsider gods or humans (like True ancetors and Arcueid herself if she reaches the apex of power and becoming the Ultimate One of the earth)
The beast IV to deal with humanity if they reach a point of serious danger themselves (as the primate murderer is supposedly born to understand and then perfectly kill any human)
These can easly backfire btw
EMIYA is one of my favorite characters in all of fiction. I love everything about his concept, his misguided ideals, and the tragedy of where they got him. As well as how his interactions with his past self sort of "saved" him in a way, even though being actually saved was never possible for him.
I spent about a month after the end of UBW reading EMIYA centered fanfiction and consuming anything else I could from Fate and such. I would absolutely watch a show featuring the counter guardians.
can you recommend some fanfiction about cg emiya archer i have read some
i would also like to see how Shirou became Emiya. i would also like to see the other Shirou routes that got scrapped. mainly because every time shirou ends up with someone else they change something about him. Shirou is like a blank canvas. or like the anime so aptly stated he has a heart of glass. reflecting the world around him. o think the closest thing we ever got to seeing shirou almost become emiya i beilve had to do with ciels route, because if i remember correctly it was hinted at that she was the one to have given him his iconic Shourd of Martin. either way theyd be fun to see.
In summary, Alaya has a fetish for sad, tanned, japanese men... Alaya still doesn't know why Okita is a woman but since she still checks all the other boxes she thinks that a waifu is good too.
Favorite counter guardian?
Mine is Shirou Emiya
U mean Emiya
@@VacadoRay there are 2 EMIYA
@@shadowknightchambers7931 yes
Baby girl Okita Alter
Eymia and chokita
Yes I agree, we need more of EMIYA
Most of the conter Guardian
servant are japenese
EMIYA
EMIYA Alter
EMIYA Assassin
Fujino Asagami
Ryouma SAKAMOTO
Okita SOUJI Alter
Most issues happen in Japan
What kind of madman holds a miniature war in a town?
@@erikho6936 the three students of the strongest vampire troll
+Muramasa Senji
+Tanaka
+Enkidu
@@randomuserno.6968 Muramasa and Enkidu are not CG, only Tanaka(Gaia)
Idea: There's a few different endings of Stay Night where Artoria actually completes her contract. How would PENDRAGON be different from regular Pendragon?
probably tanned
@@hyuugo7462 With white hair
7:10 counter guardian sabotaging the missiles coming in clutch
Bruh when you coming out with another undying mind
Who do you want to see?
@@TsiahIV what about jesus christ
I'm still wondering if there is a certain timeline where Artoria was able to get the grail and become a CG
Goat back
Threats to humanity: It's time to kill lots of people
Counter guardians: Let me show you how it's done
"Wait you killed 10 million people? Pump those numbers up those are rookie numbers."
I would really rather see another modern Counter Guardian like the Emiyas.
Just another kid from our times, risking it all to do something good for the world, and forming a contract to succeed. Doesn't have to be a story of regret either.
I gotta agree personally Emiya’s path to counter guardian would be nice to watch. However for me i would love to see more counter guardians and stories for them being animated or set in fgo. I’m not super far into the game i’m in camalot. Part of me feels there isn’t enough counter guardians but that’s just me
As interesting as It would be to find out more about EMIYA, I'm also quite curious to see more Counter Guardians. Saber(Artoria) for example had a Contract with the counter force, she just never completed it and abandoned the contract and so she never became a Guardian. But what if she had completed it..
I think she would be summoned if another Sefar arrived at the Earth
Seriously, there are so many Artoria's but the one that was alluded to in the original VN hasn't been shown
I want to see a Fate anime centered around each counter guardian in 4-5 ep showing how they complete their mission.
Ah yes the counter guardian story something Fate related that doesn't involve that pesky holy grail that Type Moon and Nasu think needs to prevalent in any Fate related work
There was a time I didn't think they would animate some scenes from Fate/Hollow Ataraxia into Heaven's Feel. This kinda gives me hope that they will some day animate Realta Nua for its finale.
It would be awesome to see EMIYA achieving Unlimited Blade Works if they ever make a spin off about him
Fate/Counter Guardian Emiya when type moon????
You're starting to make me believe that there are actual mages out there.
Is it too much to ask for my room voice lines for counter guardian interacting with other counter guardians
Fate lore guru number IV has blessed us yet again
Truly the gift tha keeps on giving
the thing is that the counter force isn't sending counter guardians to stop a threat before it happens, it only sends counter guardians when the threat has already happened and to stop it. Making the guardians stop it by basically nuking everything.
Well that's why they are called Counter Guardian, they deployed to counter something
You're on a roll my dude. Keep it up 🔥🔥👊
i also like the idea of seeing an anime with mutible counter guardians, maybe an ova which has the archer we know meeting them and interacting with them on missions
Man it was hot as hell today
A spinoff dedicated to the CG’s is something we all want to see.
2:30 for just being kiara and doing kiara things
I think they should make some mini shorts like a typical 30 episode dedicated to the origins of each member of the counter force
This was very much needed for me cuz I always wondered what the fuck a Counter Guardian was.
Also had no idea that there were others besides Emiya.
Though I gotta be honest, not sure how I feel about that being a thing in Fate universe. I liked it more when I thought that only actual humans had to deal with their problems, and thats what made the relevant figures strong enough to later be summoned as servants to fight in the grail war.
But that was never the case. The original VN has Emiya talking about the role of Counter Guardians and why they exist, humans never dealt with their problems, they caused them. That's pretty much why he started to hate humans, because they made him their janitor (and this applies to other CG's).
Actually these missiles are really cheap and they lobbed a thousand at Israel and due to the geography they don't actually need any kind of sophisticated guidance system to hit something in Israel. That's where the Iron dome comes in which is smart enough to differentiate and target the rockets that will hit critical & populous areas and ignore the ones that'll land at something not worthwhile.
Felt like they knew how interested fans are with shiro's journey becoming counter guardian or artoria's flashback when she's alive
But they focused on making way more new IP or side stories instead
Idk what type of system was used in this incident, but for example, M270 MLRS could launch a total of 12 unguided rockets in quick succession. In other words, you'd need only 84 of them, if you wanted to fire off 1000 missiles in one volley. It's really quite impressive and could level a decent size area, but in the end, it's only 84 vehicles. Not really much compared to artillery concentrations of WW1.
I can only imagine EMIYA’s first mission as counter gaurdian
Emiya taking missiles out the air like nobodies business
Love the videos.
Honestly I want to see a story where counter guarden Emiya Is summoned into Artoria time period to help fight Morgan.
You need to do a don’t sleep on okita and karna especially okita because a lot of folks don’t pay attention to how op she is especially in the guda guda events
Everything you said went way over my head. I'm new to fate and only watched F/Z so maybe someone kind enough to walk me through this
I always wonder, how much mana does a CG get from Alaya? Like in FSN, how powerfull would Emiya be if he was a CG instead of Rins servant, because surely he'll get more mana from Alaya than Rin.
I never new there was so much to the fate series anime the could make this a great show
At this point I just want another Fate fighting game
end card shows up...
"wait a minute..."
Is Artoria also a Counter Guardian? I know that Saber (F/SN) is basically a candidate that's mid-contract and it gets annuled when she abandons the quest for the Grail, but that's just the one we know; are there parallel versions which did succeed and are now Counter Guardians? Would explain the whole thing of the "Holy Sword Wielder" who slew Sefar; since CG's are outside of the timeline, a Counter Guardian Artoria could have pulled it off.
Basically the Counter Guardians are the Planeteers with no need of Captain Planet
I'm wondering if the counter force is just a really powerful Kyubei from Madoka.
😆dude said, " how the f*** do you fire off a thousand missles & not kill everyone ". 👍
0:09 by killing everything on sight!
The story of Counter Guardian EMIYA (Shirou, it seems to be a family thing) would be RATHER sad. Illya's death, him leaving Fuyuki, with Sakura falling into despair very slowly, Taiga trying to go on with her life and trying to be chearful whenever he is back, but slowly being wore down, seeing another Kiritsugu. Rin tagging along for a while, but in the end separating from him. Until Shirou is completely alone. And the final arc, where Shirou heads for his death. It will be tragic, because we know that DOES NOT break him. What breaks him will be left out, the time he served the Counter Force, slowly making him understand that he is only a deluded killer.
I heard it was said in an interview that Archer Emiya failed to save Saber in his version of fate route and that was the beginning of things going down hill for him
Just found ur channel and loving the vids so far. I do have a question though after watching this vid i hope someone could answer. If i remember correctly, Okita Alter has a dialogue line where she calls EMIYA a senpai. So does this mean that it is possible for EMIYA to be the first counter guardian? Or that there is a low key timeframe for counter guardians to become counter guardians?
I mean the real life situation is awful, but I don't think it's Counter Guardian material. These guys are summoned when there is a threat to mankind's survival, not just any conflict. It just isn't that great a scale from a "humanity as a whole" perspective.
Yup Guardians are literally the last resort to ALOT Of Shit that isn't Beast Related (Granted it is confirmed it takes 7 or so Guardians to handle Primate Murder who in Tsukihime timelines is Fou who didn't gain a love for humanity) Can bet your ass if Alaya wasn't stuck unable to do shit during the Incineration of Humanity Guardians would be deployed willy nilly....then theres the whole theory that we the Player Master (Ritsuka) are likely unwilling/unknowningly helping the Counter Force with the whole Lostbelt shitz
@@DANSTER999 I think saving Ritsuka was the last ditch method of the CF
@@DANSTER999 If CF was not stuck unable to do anything, forget CG, Alaya would deploy seven Grands just like the original version of the Heroic Spirit Summoning Ritual
They should add a guardian class servant
Thing is, the counter guardians can be summoned as any class during the grail war. And there is a shielder class, which I find ironic.
@@jacobtutt6674 no as a new class
@@justinvirola2084 I know, that's why I said they can all ready be any class, I really don't see the point of them having their own class as it kinda defeats the point: they are ordinary people who did amazing things to save the day. Giving them a special class feels like it cheapens that.
@@jacobtutt6674 true and most CG's hate their jobs especially the EMIYA family even TOHSAKA(unofficial CG capsule servant) tried to kill her younger self, very hypocritic indeed
@@kyleroman2744 true
So archer is the original berserker slaying emyia from the old fate
You Forgot Muramasa but I like Very Much Thank You for making this Video.
As a counter guardian, does Emiya remember all the fate routes? Does he get déjà vu? Like when Rin and Archer went to Shirou's house to save him from Lancer. Would Archer remember that Shirou ends up summoning Saber?
Their are two thing Archer EMIYA won't forget unless his totally broken like his Alter self, that would be the time where he made promise with Kiritsugo and the time he summoned Saber
We need EMIYA's spin off so we can see how he met Ciel.
YESSS
If I am correct, and do double check on this info for it maybe a mistranslation.
The Prisma Ilya series has a counter guardian specificaly deployed at the Miyu-verse's Pandora's box problem. She is an airheaded tank though similar to Okita Alter.
That was Tanuki
It was a terminal for Gaia, kinda like a CG but for Gaia
Those missiles are emiya's arrow
How to sum them up:
If people fuck up, Counter Guardians fuck them all up so they don't fuck up more while they themselves got fucked up
I need an anime showing Emiya obtaining UBW...
okita alter is my favorite
Bruh...... Leaving the content aside....
He just put the poster from the full color FGO dojun where Gudao gets berserk and foks Tomoe and gets fukd by Kiara.....
This..... Was unexpected
Counter Origins: Aias Acquisition
Didn’t Rin become a counter guardian and is indebted to the force and collects grails as a way of paying it off?
Yes
What kind of debt even that is that even force her to sign a contract with Alaya
Old boi hassan is my favorite
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How is it that the counter force didn't appear before lev lainur blew up the control room?
Emiya shoots down the helicopter carrying the president of iran
We need some more fate grand order
Is it just me or are there other people like me who respect counter guardians way more than normal “heroic” spirits. .
Your next video should be about grand servant as a whole. I know you've done one about KH
Could you do a video on the emiya alter cause I’m really interested in him
Fave is EMIYA,
Which one? *Yes*
Forgot to mention how it takes I think...5...or 7 Counter Guardians to keep Primate Murder at bay..Either way Nice Vid!
Just has you say it has takes 7 CG to stopped primate murder, however Knowing that their goal was to stopped him and not to kill and Knowing that fou is the ultimate predator against humanoid life form and that CG are pretty much only good at killing.
I think this feat is impressive
Hey I’m here to update the canon of the counterforce. The counterforce weapon rengoku is a loli
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