How to do Throat Singing RIGHT (and why it's so awesome for grit, screams & cleans)
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2024
- If there was a magic key that unlocked healthy vocal distortion while also adding a whole new realm of possibilities with your clean singing... AND screams!! ... Will Ramos's throat singing method would be it!
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I learned throat singing a few days ago, my teacher taught me how to cover my breath, making the structures get closer and then say "Hey" in a more active voice... by doing this I managed to learn.
I wish I had resources like this 15 years ago when I tried learning how to fry and false cord scream. It was way too much trial and error and sore throats until I figured out how to do it in a healthy way.
A teacher that still is eager to learn is the best kinda teacher. I've always failed at maintaining a body mind connection to sustaining the 'zone', but hearing it from you who is obv more adept and in tune with vocal mechanics to distill and explain the process is what a lot of us need. So gonna spend 10 extra minutes in the bath tomorrow
I think the real-time anatomy of the vocal system (name?) is the most important thing that's helped me recreate sounds vs TRYING to achieve the sound with the wrong muscles.
For instance, I always thought "false chords" were a type of scream, like vocal fry. But now I know it's not a technique, it's a part of your body, and knowing this has helped me extract the feelings from the muscles as I need them across different techniques. Really helps conceptualize and unite all the many parts that help my body to produce sound
Look how excited he is when showing off his stuff.
It's why i say... You're the best teach!
I just tell people to do "the motorcycle sound" - that hits the spot.. - Vrom vrom =)
I just replicate the GRrrrrrr sound Sideshow Bob makes when he steps on all the rakes.
You should listen to the masters of Tuvian throat singing. The beautiful overtones of it is simply incredible
Chris always explains best. Thanks for the video❤🔥
Such a good explanation I’ve never been able to do this either and I’m getting it right away with this explanation!!
Best video on how to do this!! Thank you, Will, for teaching Chris, and thank you, Chris, for putting it into an easy to follow video. I'm going to be working on it.
Kargyraa! My favorite warmup/calibration exercise to use since going through your course with Will and Elizabeth! Also just super fun to do, just because 🤘
Everything you described about the process of learning how to throat sing are thoughts and challenges I encountered when I started years ago. I got discouraged and I can only do the basics to this day because I thought I'd messed up and didnt want to hurt my voice over time. This is an excellent video rhat clears up so much for anyone who wants to learn how to throat sing. Alex Kuular was my online teacher.
Thanks for that, this has been working for me. I really appreciate what you do. \m/
Wow this actually helped me! First time ever! It’s really not as much force as I expected, it’s a really relaxed sensation!
I used your course with Will and Elizabeth and advice from Melissa Cross emulating an old cat and maintaining my breath and it was like a lightbulb went off. And then muscle memory kicks in when practicing! My screams aren’t quite there but the feeling of healthy screams is important to me.
I've learned so much on your channel that even led me here. I was on the journey of screaming and sucked ass many ways and on a side quest learned throat singing and it was a gateway to the balance in my throat, and just learning to toss a little more air over it was where I found the screaming balance. It's cool to see you in that journey and it's something I figured out a while ago but still was stuck on but this still helped me more. I learned a ton off your videos before you even could scream that helped me. The throat singing thing threwme to the touch down. I love most about your channel how your break down the journey to sounds. Even the resonance your find in it teaches you the balance of breath. It's such a cheat.
Thank you very much! Every time I’ve tried to learn this techique it has felt like I had scabs in my throat. This is the only tutorial on youtube that has worked for me! 🙏
I appreciate these videos infinitely sir 🤘
Glad to see this! I experimented years ago with throat singing but then left it. Then I tried it again last year and did more to the point where its comfortable and throat singing is part of my warm ups now every time. For me it really help me connect a lot of the grit into cleans and what not.I had the easiest time finding the spot following a traditional Mongolian tutorial using the 'goat' sound. I also think sub-harmonics are under utilized and although similar they feel completely different and I know using both really helps. Although I don't use them on their own the techniques has really help gain a better understanding of all forms of distortion. Great video and I hope it helps a few people!
The timing of this release is really funny, as I had JUST found this technique myself while singing in the car on the way to work about a month ago! 💚
holy crap!!!! I got that in like 2 seconds, hahaha!!!! Amazing! Now, the months of working out all the kinks and working with it. Right on! My man!
I enjoy it especially as a warmup, throwing it and resonating it in different places and it really helps with the distortions!!
I learned this last year by watching a few videos and practising regularly over a few days. What amazes me is how moving my tongue against the roof of my mouth helps manipulate the overtones. So much fun!
Thanks master!
Pretty helpful! I've just trained a few seconds and I'm almost there! You can tell you're a real teacher when you say that, you still discovering the process helps new learners understanding it.
AWESOME!!!
You shred Chris, keep killin it brometheus!
I've never quite managed to get the hang of this either - I'm gonna try try try!
really like your emotions in process:)
Again you hit the spot for me, man! Much love!
I'am a screamer who knows how to do the throat singing (you should check some of the bass sounds in beatboxing!!!)
However it was a mystery for me how the throat singing realtes, how it transitions to screaming. I've got a new hope now, it clicked for me and i'm pretty sure I'll get it! Thank you!
Thank youuuu
Yes!! Throat singing is how I originally discovered you 🙏🏼🎉
I just watched your Kim Dracula video and accidentally figured out how to throat sing when you were talking about it there, but this really helped refine it
I was about to suggest exploring throat singing and there you go reading my mind again!
This helped me find the vibrations I was missing for my growls.
I wish everyone could have a will ramos at home :-D such an inspiration "I'm so proud of you" omg I need this as a ringtone
I've tried to learn how to do this but could not find very many resources. Thanks for this explanation! If you want to see this used in a metal performance my favorite is the live version of Gojira - The Way of All Flesh. He throat sings beginning the last section of the lyrics to emphasize the passing between worlds and transitions to screams. Very powerful and emotional!
Thanks for this :-) I got the courses you did with Will and Elizabeth recently, and I've been practicing my throat singing (mostly on my drive to work). I've been struggling to find a way to disengage my true chords without dumping a ton of air like you mentioned. I'll try playing with the methods you mention here :-)
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Actually "the best way to learn is to teach" is a fact. More importantly, if you want to take your singing deeper, do yourself a favor and join his free course. I tried it once and it really did free my voice! you will not regret it.
This has been the best instructional video I've seen so far. Question I wonder if you can use continuous breathing like with a didgeridoo?
Learning to throat sing came really easy for me. The part I struggle with is breath control. Chris, you should listen to a band called Nytt Land. They do a TON of throat singing along with more viking-ish type music similar to Wardruna. They actually inspired me to learn. "U-gra" would be a perfect showcase of their abilities.
Lol i was just putting this together myself and now your video pops up haha
So I've been through the Ramos course, i do some screaming that's pretty good in my own opinion. I would say youe first advice with the vocal fry does work, but i feel like you should have stated some more facts about why it works. Beginners might get the impression that vocal fry and ventricular folds are related somehow. They're not, but just like other vocal techniques it's just that it can be used to bridge a gap you might not have known how to cross otherwise. Vocal fry should not even be considered when practicing throat singing, unless you truly can't activate those vibrations without going from the vocal fry register, in which case that should be the first thing you practice.
Also there's the whole "fry screaming" term. I feel like it should also be clarified that vocal fry and screaming are very seperate things.
This method is perfect for learning fry and false cord scream mix.
I've hit a few hybrids accidentally and they feel and sound SO good. Gonna try this so I can get them on purpose!
Knowing I had access to this module months before its release is really cool. With throat singing growing in prevalence, do you think you would ever have the HU on? I noticed its helped my deathcore vocals tremendously.
I hope someday you do a react & vocal analysis of Shaman - Fairy Tale (rituaLIVE) or the studio version too. Even though I don't watch your videos to improve my own voice (at least not yet) it's fun to watch, keep up the excellent work and good luck in everything.
I can't believe I could do it! Amazing!
Thanks Chris! Excellent content!
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Chris, you should check out Fair to Midland for great examples of throat singing. Fables From a Mayfly is an incredible album. Darroh is such a fantastic singer, and it breaks my heart that the band no longer exists.
Hey. For a moment I though you were talking about normal subharmonic as throat singing x) because you talked about fry. I then understood that you were actually talking about false fold sub👌. Anyway if you wanna talk about (mostly bass techniques) singing techniques I have a lot to say about it. It may also interest you because it might help for what you're trying to do.
Subharmonics have helped me get really low screams too. Im not at all a master of throat singing, subharmonics,or fry screams( ive one been practicing for a month or two) but even i have been able to hit a D1. It's insane. I highly recommend learning subs, along with throat singing
Id love to see will and spencer collab on something.
Actually used it in a song years ago. I don't remember how I stumbled upon that technique but I know we where goofing around and laughing that I sounded like a robot. Never mastered the harmonics, though.
First thing I learned to do on my first Album. it's extremely useful for also seriously saving your vocal cords some seriously unneeded and potentially harmful fry's and screams.
The BEST way to imagine this, is through a Tibetans hum and a Vikings Growl. a mental effort is key to learning first to avoid any damage.
Should check out the throat singing in the song “Vinternatt” from the modern metal band Mayfire! It’s somewhat inspired by the northern Scandinavian natives. 🔥🤘
It's so fun and inspiring to watch you figure this out for yourself! I think I can do the throat thing at the comfortable sweet spot, but as I try to go higher up, it starts to tickle my throat. I think this is a sign of too much tension in the throat and not enough support?
This now reminds me of King 810 kinda. I'd like to see you analyze his vocal style, especially in songs like Kill'em all, Boogeyman, but also check out songs like Devil Don't cry, and State of Nature. Hits hard, and thank you! 🤘
Reminds me of learning how to growl on the saxophone
so sweet, yea throat bass (kargyraa throat singing) is really fun but as a beatboxer who knows what we are cooking youd be shocked at whats actually possible with the human voice
Interesting process. Really like the explanation. I found these sounds a few years ago through trial and error. The real noticeable feelings for me is when i can feel the sound source go from entirely in my throat, and start resonating in my nasal cavity (when I start throat singing proper). You can hear it in your voice too so i wonder if you get the same feeling? then goes down lower than my throat, kinda top of chest, when going into growling. Not sure if that is "correct" but i can do it reliably without pain for long periods and it sounds cool 😊. Anyways, thanks for the demonstration and thoughts!
another great one!
you think you can do a video with or about andy cizek maybe? he is really interesting to listen to
A whole project with Andy is coming!
@@chrisliepe chris you are truly the best and a blessing to so many people
Hey, Chris!
Have you ever heard of the band too close to touch? Their singer Keaton Pierce passed away not that long ago and they're gearing up to release the last few songs using previous recordings of him
In my eyes he's one of the most inspiring singers out there, with a really unique voice and approach to singing that I'd really like to see your opinions on
Holy shit, Chris, your screams at the end were absolutely bonkers 🤌🤌🤌🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯🤘🤘🤘
I can overtone throat sing, too.
What microphone are you using in this video??? I love it
You know what, I think this is like a hybrid scream but you go almost whispery into the lowest part of your registry.
Hey it's me again. You could experiment with grit singing in that type of distortion where you push up with the throat singing and get into a more "fry-esque" - "static, gurgly" sound. Just gotta hold on to the true fold engagement while keeping that static grit. That is how I sing most Avenged Sevenfold songs and I believe it is what M. Shadows is doing with his grit. Maybe you could do a new video on him with your newly acquired knowledge. Would love to see it!
I could certainly do more of it... and actually have a video coming out where I'm doing it over a Kim Dracula song!! :) !! I started to experiment with what you're talking about towards the end of THIS video too!
@@chrisliepe Love to hear it. You're making a lot of progress very fast. I'm looking forward to your new videos!
This type of throat singing sounds like a sub style that is called kargyraa. It is however a modern form with a different technique than the original.
I appreciate the attention that is given to this art form with this video, but it is a very 'western' approach to it. I would recommend learning from people who practice or have studies tuvan/mongolian throat singing.
3:24 perfect H. Jon Benjamin impression
I only feel falsechord not fry
And I would say it sounds relatively good.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 awesome ‼️ Chris could you react to the new Gabriel’s cover singing “Best Part” . Thank you 🙏🏻 👍🏻‼️
When I want to find my tone i usually do throatsinging before.
5:01 you got dangerously close to getting canceled
Hi Chris! Can you please cover vocals of Tom Araya of Slayer? He have such crazy and powerfull screams and im so surprised there is no coherent video about him on UA-cam.
That would be cool.
2 words. Game..changer
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This is interesting. I look forward to trying it when I can resume singing. By the way, what keeps this technique from sounding gritty and gurgly like Will Ramos' extreme vocals in his cover of Chokehold, where he goes to a death metal style around the middle of it for a few seconds? This is using false folds, right?
Yep!
Ha, I had always done this to mimic throat singing, I didn't realize that I was, y'know, actually throat singing.
That funny voice I've made my entire life was actually singing?😂😂
At the end of the video when you were taking it to higher pitches, was it actually becoming a form of Fry Scream?
Cause it sure sounded like a fry scream especially on that EE vowel around 8:43 that you did!
Would love to know your thoughts!
Thanks again Chris!!
Yes. I was experimenting with that upper constricted sound!
I thought it sounded like Corey literally 1 second before you said "like what Corey Taylor might do" hahaha
i know how to throat sing but i struggle screaming ......
Hadir 🤘🤘
Wait I'm a little confused. Is this the Tuvan throat singing with arytenoid cartilage and octaves? Or is this more like a traditional subharmonic bass? I feel like I have much more to learn than I initially thought.
Enjoyed all your content, might wanna watch some videos by a madman named Alex Glenfield though.....he's the person who helped me the most on my throat singing journey.
React Best Part - Gabriel Henrique
It's the opposite for me. I focus upwards to get activation of throat singing. I tried for years focusing lower in my vocal chords and could could never do it. Adding false chord is easier at that point too and helps me to be longer winded.
Well, i have opposite problem. I somehow figured out how to do it and it sound much better than your (no offense). But still strugling how to do other different types of screams, growls etc..
If youre gonna sing with it, with any intense drumming, you need the PA effects of reverb whatever they add, because it just messes up throught with only volume if percussion factors. Causes trauma nodules if you dont use right effects. Just speaking, it's moderation choice.
Hey Chris! In your testing out and playing with this vocal style, particularly over a period of time, have you experienced a sort of "warm" or "heat" on your chords (or false chords)? Because whenever I do throat singing for a while or false chords, my vocals feel really warm and its unsettling.
Yes, that warmth/heat is totally normal... It can be unsettling at first, but the main thing is to test your primary cord engagement often to make sure you're not going too hard on those... heat and engagement in other areas is great and actually needed to relieve the role of the primary cords!
Thank you so much for the fast reply - this is very comforting!@@chrisliepe
Okay look at the thumbnail, doesn't that hat look like he just has a electric call boy a bowl cut? Lolllll
I can't do this for long without my throat getting sore. I'm guessing practice helps that.
When i push my pitch higher with my false chords active i find that it breaks up and doesnt raise smoothly, as well as this its often quite painful. Does this sound like a compression problem and im hitting my folds too hard?
I found "meh" today! But if i dont try to whistle in same time to growl i going no where. Don't high and low sound in same time make me found the middle of it with my voice after.
I don't know if its the tamber of my voice, or anatomy, but I can't siren down to vocal fry. The only time I can ever get vocal fry is when I'm sick apparently.
yo, Im like actually kinda mad. Ive been able to throat sing and make throat croaks as I called them. since I was a kid. and other weird noises, always wanted to learn metal vocals and just figured it would be to much work. Now Im finding at 30 I had 90% of it down to begin with and got something out ive never gotten out in like 10 minutes
I'm upsetti spagetti. and to clarify, the screams, not all encompassing vocals
I think I’m just broken.. every time I go to add compression I end up just doing false chord screaming. Like I go 0-10 (natural sleepy voice fry) then with just the slightest push more, I skip to 70+ cruising speed (full blown fry screams).
How do I know if I'm actually doing it right. I always get it or standard compression. Also, does this burn out your voice if you do this a lot?
Anything will burn your voice out if you overdo it. The key is to listen to your body and when you get tired, stop! You'll know you're doing it right when you can hear the two different tones distinctly and it's not messy sounding.
Thank you so much! As I lean into the scream approach, I actually got louder than I thought. Can this be applied to the rest of your vocal range?@@chrisliepe
Another thing? Where should feel the engagements?
@@music4ever.87 These are great questions and I can tell you're really in a place to want to learn more! I can't really adequately answer these questions in text replies on a UA-cam video... but I can point you in the direction to get all these questions answered and teach you how to truly FEEL the right engagements. You might be ready for this: www.mymusicalvoice.com/p/the-aggressive-vocalist-s-master-plan-of-attack
My problem with throat singing as a bass is that I just sound like a bellowing alligator when I do it. 😆