Check Legion Pro 5i Prices: geni.us/legion-pro-5i Check current gaming laptop sales at gaminglaptop.deals Update to 8:40 I don't think this is a problem anymore, we haven't had it on any laptops for months now, some update must have resolved it.
Hey Jarrod, Are you going to review Asus Scar 16 too? I'm confused between scar 16 & 18 for thermals, performance and display. A comparison video would also be amazing. Thanks 😊
Dunno how do you feel about it, but I think that reviewers should opt more for not buying this year laptops (and GPUs), it's the only way consumers can influence manufactures. I got really disappointed with news that 4070ti is selling pretty well :( And 4070 this year is a peace of garbage, almost same performance as 3070ti, but 30% higher price ... I've got 2 years ago my rog G513QM with qhd display (of better quality than those that they put today in new laptops), 5900hx, 3060 for 1350eur. Today for almost 10% more performance I should pay 20% more (4060)... that's ridiculous, that is an real degradation... That made me to buy an PS5 and just cancel my plan to update my laptop, I'll keep mine for R6 Siege, but most probably next laptop will be no more than a typing machine.
I originally bought the Legion 5i Pro this year for $2300 with RTX 4070, I returned it after I saw the price of the 7i Pro with the RTX 4080 from this year being $2400 with discounts included.
I think they tried to cheap out on parts here and there and less features to try and offset the ridiculous price Nvidia is charging for these GPUs. Very sad.
I have a 2021 model as well and see no reason to buy the new one. The 2022 model was the sweat spot. If I could get a deal on a 2022 3080 model, I'd take a strong look.
As someone buying this for mainly an office laptop for I.T. work, I see this as one of the best value options possible. Business laptops are terribly priced for their specs. The gaming performance is a bonus and for £1,700 this does the job as well as I'll probably find. I was actually planning on getting the slim 5i, however I'm not sure that allows for a second SSD to be installed.
I bought it for the same reason and love the better video quality and find it so much faster then the thinkpad. I just wish it had a fingerprint reader for security
The only downside on Legion laptops is the keyboard. I often hit 2 keys same time, especially the numpad. Although i would still pick legion over thinkpad.
Why do you think this is a better option than a Thinkpad? Doesn‘t the Thinkpad battery last much longer, is easier to carry around and isn‘t as clunky?
Got my brother the last year model 6800H 3070Ti 1440p165hz for only $1300 I am super impressed and happy with it. I think I got him the right one! It's an absolute beast
For some reason, the last year's Legion 5 Pro with an RTX 3070 Ti is going for higher than a i7 + 4070 Legion Pro 5i. So I think it makes more sense to get the Pro 5i against the 5 Pro. I do want to know about the quality control and overall experience on the Pro 5i if anyone owns one so thank you in advance.
I have one, but haven't had it for long or used it for anything much besides some photo editing. So far, it is great, and it scored about 12,500 in Performance Test 11. That's close to what my PC's 5950x/3080Ti scored! It's the top model with 32 gb ram, 13900HX and RTX 4070. $1569 at B&H
we really need a video comparing last years and this years laptops to find out if it is a good idea to get a 2023 or 2022 model and which laptop out of them to get. last years g15, legion are the best for the average user imo but thos year it looks like a downgrade for both
My friend said that too, there's 0 point to upgrade form 30series to 40series and should wait for new future of Card also with the new FSR 3.0 upcoming release am pretty sure gonna stick with 30s for fews more years
A good 3060 or 3070 laptop will set you up for atleast 3 years. Maybe even more if you are the guy who doesn't care about shanking your settings. BUT I am dubious at game companies these days trying too offload their work in optimisation to GPUs too Brute force. "Oh .. you have 8gb vram? Lemme use all of it for medium textures"
@@tuliotuttut5308 I also have the 2021 but I feel like if we had the option to switch refresh rate with the shortcut key it would be better. I don't want anything else and I would be satisfied. And also the option to customize fan speed (Custom Mode in newer models)
Bought 5i Pro 2022 for £1500 with 12700H & 3070Ti. Added 32gb ram and 1tb SSD on top of it for £250 and I'm totally happy - this was one of my best purchases ever, lol
For music production people, I observed that 2023 model has less single core performance compared to 2022 model as shown in this video. So, I would recommend to go with i7-12700H legion 5i pro model (2022) for music production.
Thank you for your reply. I am doing post production in Pro Tools with bunch of plugins. Do you think legion 13700hx will be enough (there are some nice deals right now) Or should I go with legion 13900hx? Thanks again for your comment
i think Lenovo didn't upgrade anything on Legion 2023 series, except CPU,GPU,cooling system and refresh rate in Legion pro 7i, even the port is downgraded from thunderbolt to normal type c
You can fit the m.2 drive. The “bending” is completely normal as it allows you to insert the drive at an angle with ease. Trust me, it wont break anything in the laptop.
It depends on the drive then, I suppose. I tried just now with a double-sided 2 TB Kingston Fury Renegade (the version without a heat-sink). Not a chance! No flex in this SSD, and had there been flex, it would have happened too close to the M.2 slot. Had I tried to "bend" this SSD, I would either have ripped off the M.2 slot from the mobo or cracked the SSD in half. And that's for certain - trust me! It worked just fine in the secondary M.2 slot, though.
BTW, it's not shown very clear in the video just why you can't fit a double-sided SSD in the primary M.2 slot, and Jarrod doesn't explain it. Right next to the primary M.2 slot, on the mobo under the SSD disk, there's a ribbon cable connector which is a few mm thick. This connector stops a double-sided SSD (with thick enough chips on the backside) from being pushed down and seated.
If anything, GPU prices should be cheaper than a decade ago due to improved manufacturing. The idea that they expect us to pay more for more performance is insane. Not happening
Well R&D, shipping, marketing and a whole lot more comes into play when it comes to tech. But yeah, some one off features like RTX, DLSS or AV1 isn't really much of a worthy reason to buy a new GPU for the AVE people.
Well it's completely opposite. GPU prices would be cheaper if the processing node stays the same as the manufacturing technology improves. However the cost for microchip manufacturers i.e. TSMC, Samsung & Intel for every node level improvement actually increases exponentally. For example, in order to develop 3nm processing node production line, TSMC actually spent more than $40 billion USD. That is A LOT of money spent on comparing to 28nm node, which is $65.5 million more than 10 years ago.
Great review as always. This laptop is currently 1.9K usd on the site you provide above. When it come to my country the price will be at least 2.8K. Well, even last year most 3070Ti laptop on my country is still around 2.3K usd currently, and that was a "discount" price.
In Australia 4000 series laptops are actually cheaper than 3000 series for some reason and 4000 laptops can go on sale. I recently bought my pro 5i with 4070 32gb ram for 2.8kAUD (1.8k USD) which is good price here.
did u get i7-13700hx o i7-13900hx ? is the 60$ upgrade for i9 worth it or is 17 13th enough for gaming ? (im asking for same model but im gonna go for 4060 version as its asking 250$ for 4070 upgrade) n already its 2000$ with 4060 here.
@@hemendraravi4787 I got the 13700hx with my unit. i7 is always more than enough for gaming but hey if it’s only $60 difference to get the i9 then I reckon go for i9. But other than that, i7 is plenty enough. If anything else the 4060 might bottleneck the i9. So if your purpose is to game, I might as well spend a bit more and get 4070 and stick with i7.
Pity you never managed to benchmark a 2022 5 Pro with the RTX 3070. I really wanted to see the generational change in the Legions from 3070 to 4070, since it uses the 150W 3070.
Kinda weird that for the 2nd year the 5 Pro doesn’t feature at least a fingerprint reader. I think the Legion 7s finally get that option, but formerly only the Slim 7 had it
Still rocking my 5 Pro 2021 with 3070m and 5800H, I added a second 2TB SSD to it and upgraded to 32GB RAM as some games are becoming quite hungry (looking at you, Last of Us). Thank you Jarrod for keeping us informed!
I have the exact same config as you bro 🤌🏼✨ just one question. All of a sudden, it hangs on the computer by itself while doing my light work. It's like if you insert a broken cd, the song skips, like that. I bought it in December 2022. I'm not sure if I format it. I tried all kinds of fix commands from cmd screen but it didn't fix it. does it happen to you too? It originally came with windows 11 installed.
@@boppernostopper8598 I never properly measured and took note of performance with 3DMark or some other benchmarking tool since I got it, but as long as you keep your fans and exhausts clean, the laptop shouldn't lose performance
@@Avucoda Never heard of this issue, I still refuse to upgrade to Windows 11 because I know I will encounter more problems. Try updating BIOS and other things maybe?
This year's Lenovo Pro 5i is a outright downgrade from last two year's model and apart from getting CPU and GPU refresh, everything is downgraded. For example, the 500 nits 240Hz screen is an optional upgrade this year and the base models are having a 350-nits 165Hz panel, a significant downgrade from the standard 500-nits 165Hz screen in 2021 and 2022 models. Thunderbolt 4 has been removed from this year's model whereas it was there for last two year's Intel models and even last year's AMD version got USB4 via BIOS upgrade. The Screen is still providing 100% sRGB, like last two years with around 70% Adobe RGB and DCI-P3 coverage whereas Asus G, M, ROG Strix/Strix SCAR, Alienware M16, all are offering almost full DCI-P3 coverage, making them very good for Video and photo editing tasks.
The 4070 is a difficult one to justify in a thick chassis this year. You’re really not getting the same benefit that you used to from going with a bigger machine. So far I’ve tested the Flow (lighter/smaller/smaller charging brick) in some of these benchmarks and scored the same, even in the lower powered 90-100 watt profiles, thanks to the efficiency of these cards. Plus the extra hurt of seeing 4080 and 4090 laptops nearly doubling those scores 💀
man, the 4060 and 70 are sorry. I think there's an argument for the 4050. The 4080 is amazing, brings gaming laptops to a whole new level. But upgrading from a mid tier 30 to 40 card makes no sense.
The performance is actually great, 80W CPU + 140W GPU under full load is excellent. But the prices are ludicrous, thus making 2021-2022 models look even more compelling
great? it's 10% better than a 2 year old model and on par with the last year's model, with 1% lows(fps drops) being *worse* so tell me again, how is it great?
@@alun1038 even if we're talking about the laptop itself, the last year's 3070 ti Legion 5 pro is like a couple % slower, so even comparing to Legion 5 it's bad considering it's new.
So I quite literally have your same configuration to a T. I was able to get a couple discounts and netted it with taxes at $1,937. It arrives this Thursday so hopefully no issues with it. Thank you for this review I was really waiting to see it before buying it but I got lucky with them discounts lol.
Hey Jarrod, could you check about the "undervolting" in the Vantage Software? I think it only allows POSITIVE voltage changes. And not NEGATIVE (undervolting) changes! Cheers. (I tried Undervolting the Laptop (13500HX + RTX 4050 Version) with Throttlestop (No Effect) and XTU (Not possible).
@@CLFFRDCHNG nope that won't allow undervolting either. Not in Lenovo vantage, not in XTU and not with throttle stop. (the voltage changes in throttle stop have absolutely no effect to the cpu on my legion 5 pro)
@@Hubwood Hi Hubwood, Those on reddit with 7i pro 13900hx managed to undervolt their cpu, not sure if mistakenly locked with i5 HX series Btw, do you plan on making review with base 5 pro 13500hx and 4050 you are using? Is there any difference between the heatsink size and cooling performance compare to higher spec 5 pro, i9 and rtx 4060-4070? There are no reviews yet with that variant, im sure the community will appreaciate for the full review Thanks again
@@albertputra6220 hey Albert, hm maybe it's possible with the 7i then 🤔 yes I will defenitely review this. I hope I will be done this Sunday or Monday.
I recently bought the legion 5i with the i9 13th gen with a 4060, off an early Black Friday sale from Costco, I’m hoping this performance will be comparable since it was a pretty cheap price.
I got a 2022 5i pro (3070ti) that I absolutely adore. This channel actually helped me make the decision over the 2022 M16 I had. I got it on sale with a few nice features, including that 3 year full warranty. After taxes and shipping it came out right at $2000 USD. It might be worth looking into depending on your needs.
good job choosing the lenevo. My 3 year old m15 is absolute garbage and started having issues from the 3rd month of ownership. Asus is a marketing company at it's core. Planning on replacing it with this laptop from the video since I get some pretty good discounts privately.
Lenovo was amazing with price around 1200 eur for rtx 2060 or 3060 , bur with legion 7 4080 costing here 3500 eur and strix 16 4080 costing 2500 eur or scar 16 3500 eur with mini led display..
Great video, though I thought it was a bit too negative given the availability of some great deals on the Legion Pro 5i. Yesterday, I purchased the Legion Pro 5i with i7-13700hx CPU, RTX 4060 GPU, 32 gb DDR5-4800 memory, 1 tb M.2 SSD, and 240 hz 1600p display from B&H. At $1249, this was a phenomenal opportunity relative to similarly priced gaming laptops, including the ASUS ROG Strix G16, which comes with an i9 CPU but 4050 GPU, or HP Omen 16, which has a much poorer display even with the same refresh rate. The system display is great, the build is solid, and it comes with a large number of ports. For someone who will use a laptop for multiple purposes (work, web browsing, watching videos, online roleplaying, and minimal gaming [mainly BG III]), I don't think there is a better value available at the current time.
Hey man! Also got mine from B&H. Got the 4070 option. $1569. Definitely worth waiting for the price drop. Especially considering the fact that the sale is off now and prices have returned to normal
Great video as usually. It seems that from marketing Lenovo thought if they add "pro" word in naming, that means that it must cost more. Comparison of lenovo 5 & 7 pros should be interesting as maybe it worth to take base 7th version rather than taking top 5th.
I reckon it's more they cut stuff out to keep prices down for the 4080/4090 models. NVIDIA have no competition in high end mobile and they never miss an opportunity to price gouge OEMs, AIBs or consumers
Hello Jarrod! I’ve been watching your videos every time i wanted to buy a laptop. Your reviews were my dealbreaker, just wanted to ask for you opinion. Currently, I’m torn in choosing between Legion 7 w/ AMD 9 5900HX/RTX 3080(Cheaper) and Legion Slim 7i w/ I9 13thgen/RTX 4070. Which would you pick?
It would be nice to see a test on a normal i5 or i7 to see how computers with CPUs perform versus ones with CPU+GPU or with AMD how a APU compares to a CPU+GPU.
originally got the i7 4070 for 1700 during a sale on lenovo site, but was pretty disappointed in the performance and was just planning on getting the 3070ti variant from last year until I saw a 4080 legion 7i 2tb/32gb open box at my local microcenter for $2400 so I adjusted my budgets around and bought that instead and am way more happy. Getting double the performance in hefty games like spiderman and cyberpunk and witcher 3 with RT maxed. I don't think anyone should pay more than like $1300 for a laptop with 8gb vram. Gonna be an issue real soon, heck even for some games right now.
And in a couple years the 4070 will be relying more on DLSS3 to maintain smoothness, and relying on devs to include technologies in future games is an unknown (I'm old enough to remember the attempt to bring 3D to gaming - the only good thing to come out of it was 120hz panels)
@@JarrodsTechIs Legion 5 gen 8 good ? 500 nits 240 hz 32gb Ram gddr5 Ryzen 7 7745hx Rtx 4060 8gb 1TB For 1800-2000$ In my country the prices wary a lot (India) n 4070 legion costs 2500$ but with 16gb ram , more cost with nits n hz upgrades but has i7 13th gen or i9 13th gen for 2600$ , do I go with 4060 itself ? I don't think 600$ is worth it for 15% fps. I'm going for legion as it has good temperature.
Legion gen 8 kinda mid except for the 4080/90 version, wich also cost more. Gen 7 Legion aboslute W for the price to performance. The Legion 5 3070 ti is currently on my wishlist now.
Curious if the AMD 2023 version with the 7745HX/4070 will be reviewed? Would be interesting to see the battery savings and performance difference for the pricing.
Not really Lenovo's fault, but the 4070 for around this price is just bad value considering how it performs. People who are just gaming should buy the $1350 3070Ti model and get basically the same performance for $500-$600 less as you mention at the end of the video.
Unfortunally its not only NVIDIA with the 4070 but also Intel 13th gen is very disappointing. Both Price to Performance and Performance per watt is bad. AMD not only wins massively in efficiency but their top gaming processor Ryzen 9 7945HX beats Intels laptop workstation equivalent I9 13980hk both in performance and efficiency at the same time.
Now, in my country, Pro 5i with i9-13900hx ram32gb and 4070 is around 1800-1820$ including untimate warranty 2 year, Lenovo 24inch monitor and headset. This price is quite acceptable and chaper than eariler but you have to wait for a couple week cause it is a custom order..
do you think the voltage limit on the 4050, 60 and 70 will be increased sometime in the future with a bios or software update? (talking about the laptops not reaching their full 140w in games)
No. Long answer, nope. Usually on mobile it's locked down short of crazy hard modding, which nobody does on laptops anymore bc of the risk (cost of entire motherboard replacement) and rewards being so minimal (headroom is not there thermally/power delivery to make it worthwhile).
On sale right now for 1499.99... I kind of want to buy it since my previous laptop's motherboard burned out but ever since Steam deck came out, it changed the way how I play my games. I'm now considering on waiting for the GPD win max 2 to get the 7840u chipset and just use that as my daily driver and use my desktop + dGPU to game.
Just bought it. The criticism is because the price is not fair related to the "upgrades" of this years version. But for that price it's an absolute STEAL.
Jarrod, can you also check out the AI engine on the Pro 5 and Pro 7? Other youtube reviews have mentioned that it analyzes the game you play overtime and adjusts the power and whatnot to give the best performance. Perhaps you can give us a more detailed info on that since you are the most detailed laptop reviewer Also, is the Acer Helios 16 review coming out soon? It's the only one in my country that has my needs and there aren't many detailed reviews on it :(
@@JarrodsTech Okah. I kow its difficult. But i love your detailed review. I am planning to get the legion slI'm 7i 12700h 3060 in some weeks after my exams
@@Romash. if ur desperate for the comparison i recommend watching both review ( when the 2023 comes out) and comparing each section as the layout of the video is pretty much the same 😊. Otherwise honestly if u cna get the. 2022 for cheap go for it. I cant even get the slim 7i 2022 as they didnt i port into my country xD
Wait im confused. Were the 4060/70 max power limits of ~ 100W removed by Nvidia since you originally made the video about Nvidias power cap? Because in this it shows the 4070 running at 140W?
can't wait for you to test thin and light rtx 4070 laptops (msi stealth 16, zephyrus M16, Omen ascend, legion slim etc) some come at full wattage but lets see if they can actually mantain the power
Balanced mode is surprising. Less wattage, but great efficiency. Considering the costs of running this laptop over the course of a year, Balanced Mode could save you some cash! Over the span of it's usage, say 2-3 years, that's a considerable saving.
Yeah this is a great laptop if you take cost of ownership into account. It's like buying inverter versus non inverted appliances. Sure, it's cheaper at first, but once you use it over a year, you'll be surprised how much electricity money you are wasting. Still, I am disappointed in Lenovo downgrading the display's maximum brightness in this year's model.
Yeah this is a great laptop if you take cost of ownership into account. It's like buying inverter versus non inverted appliances. Sure, it's cheaper at first, but once you use it over a year, you'll be surprised how much electricity money you are wasting. Still, I am disappointed in Lenovo downgrading the display's maximum brightness in this year's model.
hey Jarrod, which one do u choose? mostly for gaming ASUS G16 i7 13650HX-32GB-2TB SSD-8GB RTX 4060-FHD+ 165Hz or Lenovo Legion Pro 5 i7 13700HX-16GB-1TB SSD-8GB RTX 4060-WQXGA 240Hz they are the same price here
I think this would be a great mid-range laptop, but I think the big problem with this laptop is the existence of the 2022 Legion 7i, which is on sale right now.
@@mehdishirazi3 Metal is worse for me. Heavier, more thermal absorbing, etc. Once I had laptop with metal downside, and with CPU temperatures around 70*C I couldn't keep it on knees, because it have been too hot. Since then I prefer plastic. :D Durability is not really an argument, because I don't throw it around.
Hi there , thanks for the great content , I just bought a brand new Legion pro 5i Gen 8 , intel Core i7 13700 HX , Nvidia RTX 4060 GPU 8 GB GDDR6 , 16GB DDR-5 4800 MHz and while I was playing warzone on a display setting of 2560x1440 , 7,8 minutes into the game my laptop suddenly got turned off , now when I try too boot the RGB lights on keyboard are showing up but the Legion sign doesn’t come up ( black lcd ) , nothing comes up , tried holding power button for a minute , unplugged power button , let the laptop cool down but nothing works , I mean is this normal for a gaming laptop with this configuration ?
Hi @JarrodsTech, I'm looking at a 2022 rtx 3070 which is almost same price as rtx 4060 2023, which one to pick here ? Also does intel/amd processors matter ? I see amd versions push more power to gpu. Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
This new gen is sure a disappointment. I'm glad I got the 2021 Legion 7 with 3080 for $1440 last year, it's been holding up well and I love having 16 Gb of Nvidia VRAM with an AMD CPU. The 2022 version was nice but much more expensive while only being slightly better overall. Now this year is a downgrade to save costs but still more expensive.
5:14 Why don't you remove a quarter of a point instead of a half of a point for the issue with double-sided SSDs? I think it should be higher than a laptop that has a M.2 2230, for example, but not higher than a laptop that DOES support double-sided SSDs.
I hope he keeps updating about the black screen issue. I'm really looking forward to buying this model and don't want that to be a deal breaker. I had the 2021 5 Pro, but had to return the device because of a similar issue which caused the screen to go black on closing and reopening the lid while in dGPU mode, and ended up restarting the device every time this happened. The issue was later fixed with an Nvidia driver update, but it took almost 7 months to get it patched.
Hey! Great video. I just bought the 3070ti 2022 version of this laptop. I'm new to the higher generation of laptops. You mentioned tuning the overclock? What does that mean/ how would I do that? Also how do I make sure I'm running the max watts to my gpu?
Having just bought the 7i with the 4070 config this review gives me a very close approximation for what to expect from it. Thanks Jarrod. Oh and before people go of on me for getting a 4070 laptop, I plan on keeping it for 4-6 years at least plus the resell value in my country is insane.
Where do you live that the resale value of a mid-range gaming laptop is still high after 5 years? If I sold any tech stuff in Europe after 5 years I'd probably get 10-15% of MSRP.
@@ymanexpress god damn. 1050 at $1000+ is insane. I'm from India and i can say that even here the prices are atrocious due to 17% electronic taxes but sheesh you guys are giving a tough competition lmao
After this review I am very happy with my Legion (5 PRO 2022 12700h with RTX 3070 Ti). Not much difference in GPU performance (especially when comparing 3070 Ti and 4070 on your channel), Thanks Jarrod, I bought Legion 2022 based on your feedback I'm even more pleased looking at the 2023 edition.
I've bought the same 2022 5 pro version and I totally agree! Seeing this year's version made me even happier about my decision to go with 2022 model containing 3070Ti
Bro you're a lucky peacock right now, it's been a heck for me for the past one month I'm looking for the 3070ti like a thirty bull but so far I'm failed though I'm getting the 4060 model for the same price yeah that's weird but that's what it is but I want 3070ti so much 😢
As Always, Thank You Jarrod for your contribution with in-depth contents and reviews. Man why is this dude so under-rated ? I always wanted to buy a Legion for the last 2 years but recently bought an Asus TUF F15 2022 (China Variant, 12700H + 3060). The reason is simple, the legion was overpriced and expensive compared to their rivals and I desperately needed a laptop for my ongoing project. Lenovo changed the gaming laptop lineup in 2021 with their Legion 5 3060 130W and better thermals. 2022 ones were better too but now legion is cutting down improvements at higher cost. Sad. I request Lenovo to improve their Legion displays to 100% DCI-P3 like Asus and similar rivals. Additionally, pls keep the 3.5mm Jack on the left side instead of right -_-
If you can find the information, could you give some advice on legion 5 (ryzen 7, 4060) vs machnike L16 pro (i9, 4070)? bcos they are the same price in singapore but the machenike has much better hardware. This will be my first gaming laptop so i’m unsure if machenike is reliable
They still smoking some crack from last year where everything got super overpriced and now expecting to keep riding that train? Time to sober up Lenovo.
thanks for the rewiew, imo youre one of the best to do reviews on gaming laptops on youtube. It would be nice if you could give your opinion on all features you cover relative to other laptops features you covered. For instance, you said the speakers sound fine, nothing amazing. On your legion 7 pro 2023 you said the speakers sound good. But how do they compare? How do they compare from the 5i 2023 to the 5i 2022?
will Acer provide you with a review unit for the helios 16 or 18 ? i hope you will review them soon , also may i ask you should i get a 17" laptop as i always carry my 15" laptop to work daily and for the past 7+ years never switched to a 17" ..
Hi! Can you please help me choose between these two: - asus tuf a15 ryzen 7 6800h rtx 3060 (140w) 16GB ddr5 - hp omen 15 ryzen 7 5800h rtx 3070 32GB ddr4
I know it's not clickbait, but you provided a Title ("Legion Pro 5i (2023) Has a Problem") but did not specify in the video what this problem was. Is it just the price you were talking about? It's not that bad if you factor in almost $400 in discounts.
I just picked up the 5 Pro at Microcenter (not labeled 5i pro) for $1599. 13700HX, 4070, 1TB SSD and 32GB memory. This was $100 less and came with twice the memory of any similar 5i Pro on Lenovo's website. Decent value
Same here brother. I got that exact same thing for 1550$ with taxes from micro center. I still did not get my hands on it. It’s with one of my relatives. They will bring it a week or two later. On the product page it is labelled as “legion 5 pro” but in reality it should be “legion 5i pro” if it comes with an intel processor. Can you confirm this?
@@tahmeedabtahee8976 It depends, they had another model for 100 or $200 cheaper than mine that was a Ryzen model. I would make sure that you got the 4070 version. But yes it's really weird the way they were selling mine. It was the exact same thing as a 5i. But it was labeled as a five and I even called Lenovo and they confirmed that it was literally the exact same laptop that was listed on their website but I was getting double the memory and paying $100 less at micro center. Same screen, same refresh rate, everything. I will be running tests and benchmarks to make sure that it's actually running fine. But both of Lenovo nor the representative at micro center could identify any differences. I wonder if it was a mistake
I think slightly better performance and slightly lower price with lenovo pro 5i is better than Asus M16. I was on the same dilemma , Asus is better brand than lenovo I think, but on the other hand lenovo pro 5i has better cpu and lower price than asus M16. I got the lenovo pro 5i , but I have a crash problem. I cant play games. I am gonna return it for repair.
Going into 2024 I feel like this is a good pick the price have dropped significantly and I can get my hand on one with a 4070, 16gb, 1tb ,240hz for about 1800$ cad or 1300 usd witch is pretty good for what It is
You are amazing! Cristal clear info about every aspect. I bought two laptops this week for my work after watching your videos, thank you very much for your help!
This is on sale now at USD1250 (RTX 4060, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD). Is it a better buy over ROG Zephyrus G14 2023 (16GB RAM, RTX 4060, 512GB SSD) at the same price ?
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Update to 8:40 I don't think this is a problem anymore, we haven't had it on any laptops for months now, some update must have resolved it.
Kind sir! If you could do a review on the Stealth 16 studio, would be really appreciated. As always, thanks for your efforts! Great work!
Hey Jarrod, Are you going to review Asus Scar 16 too? I'm confused between scar 16 & 18 for thermals, performance and display. A comparison video would also be amazing. Thanks 😊
Dunno how do you feel about it, but I think that reviewers should opt more for not buying this year laptops (and GPUs), it's the only way consumers can influence manufactures.
I got really disappointed with news that 4070ti is selling pretty well :(
And 4070 this year is a peace of garbage, almost same performance as 3070ti, but 30% higher price ...
I've got 2 years ago my rog G513QM with qhd display (of better quality than those that they put today in new laptops), 5900hx, 3060 for 1350eur. Today for almost 10% more performance I should pay 20% more (4060)... that's ridiculous, that is an real degradation...
That made me to buy an PS5 and just cancel my plan to update my laptop, I'll keep mine for R6 Siege, but most probably next laptop will be no more than a typing machine.
Hi From Thailand mate, Could you review Asus Strix Scar 17 2023 ?
I just dropped a review on the amd variant with 4070. My reviews aren’t as good as Jarrod’s obviously, but also very in depth. I hope it helps people
I originally bought the Legion 5i Pro this year for $2300 with RTX 4070, I returned it after I saw the price of the 7i Pro with the RTX 4080 from this year being $2400 with discounts included.
The FBI should be ABOLISHED
You can return a bought laptop? Is that common?
@@StormClaws7 yeah I think so.
@@StormClaws7 Only in murica I guess
@@mk3tsi No way, in EU its law to allow returning without questions for at least 2 weeks. I returned plenty of laptops
I feel quite blessed to own Legion 7 2021 model. The new models put the build quality to bare minimum...
Nice! Hope it's going well
Yeah, my Legion 7 2022 has far better build quality than any of the 2023 Legion 5 Pro or 7 Pro models!
@@cameronbosch1213 you're really blessed to have it, it's been a week I'm searching for it and couldn't find it instead the 4060/4070 is available
I think they tried to cheap out on parts here and there and less features to try and offset the ridiculous price Nvidia is charging for these GPUs. Very sad.
I have a 2021 model as well and see no reason to buy the new one. The 2022 model was the sweat spot. If I could get a deal on a 2022 3080 model, I'd take a strong look.
As someone buying this for mainly an office laptop for I.T. work, I see this as one of the best value options possible. Business laptops are terribly priced for their specs. The gaming performance is a bonus and for £1,700 this does the job as well as I'll probably find. I was actually planning on getting the slim 5i, however I'm not sure that allows for a second SSD to be installed.
I bought it for the same reason and love the better video quality and find it so much faster then the thinkpad. I just wish it had a fingerprint reader for security
@@richardr3511 Fingerprint would be really great and a proper USB Dock.
The only downside on Legion laptops is the keyboard. I often hit 2 keys same time, especially the numpad. Although i would still pick legion over thinkpad.
@@az9az9az9Is Thinkpad good for gaming in 2023?
Why do you think this is a better option than a Thinkpad? Doesn‘t the Thinkpad battery last much longer, is easier to carry around and isn‘t as clunky?
Got my brother the last year model 6800H 3070Ti 1440p165hz for only $1300 I am super impressed and happy with it. I think I got him the right one! It's an absolute beast
For some reason, the last year's Legion 5 Pro with an RTX 3070 Ti is going for higher than a i7 + 4070 Legion Pro 5i. So I think it makes more sense to get the Pro 5i against the 5 Pro. I do want to know about the quality control and overall experience on the Pro 5i if anyone owns one so thank you in advance.
I have one, but haven't had it for long or used it for anything much besides some photo editing. So far, it is great, and it scored about 12,500 in Performance Test 11. That's close to what my PC's 5950x/3080Ti scored! It's the top model with 32 gb ram, 13900HX and RTX 4070. $1569 at B&H
@@rogerbarnett8412is that the one with the i7
@@rogerbarnett8412 yep, just picked this Legion Pro 5i up with i9/4070/32gb DDR5 and it's a beast. $1499 at B&H now, so it's on a killer deal now too.
we really need a video comparing last years and this years laptops to find out if it is a good idea to get a 2023 or 2022 model and which laptop out of them to get. last years g15, legion are the best for the average user imo but thos year it looks like a downgrade for both
Yes, they even removed thunderbolt support on Legion this year
its seems no point to upgrade from 30 series to 40 , i rather playing stable average fps than high and drop
My friend said that too, there's 0 point to upgrade form 30series to 40series and should wait for new future of Card also with the new FSR 3.0 upcoming release am pretty sure gonna stick with 30s for fews more years
A good 3060 or 3070 laptop will set you up for atleast 3 years.
Maybe even more if you are the guy who doesn't care about shanking your settings.
BUT I am dubious at game companies these days trying too offload their work in optimisation to GPUs too Brute force.
"Oh .. you have 8gb vram? Lemme use all of it for medium textures"
@@loowick4074 i have Legion 2021 3060 and all i need it just run games... Thats it i dont care 30 40 fps
It's driver issues, all 40 series have weird issues right now, but so did 30 series at launch.
@@tuliotuttut5308 I also have the 2021 but I feel like if we had the option to switch refresh rate with the shortcut key it would be better. I don't want anything else and I would be satisfied.
And also the option to customize fan speed (Custom Mode in newer models)
Excellent news about Lenovo adding automatic refresh rate switching when the laptop is plugged/unplugged.
Yeah!
Bought 5i Pro 2022 for £1500 with 12700H & 3070Ti. Added 32gb ram and 1tb SSD on top of it for £250 and I'm totally happy - this was one of my best purchases ever, lol
For music production people, I observed that 2023 model has less single core performance compared to 2022 model as shown in this video. So, I would recommend to go with i7-12700H legion 5i pro model (2022) for music production.
Thank you for your reply. I am doing post production in Pro Tools with bunch of plugins. Do you think legion 13700hx will be enough (there are some nice deals right now) Or should I go with legion 13900hx? Thanks again for your comment
@@ruslankhuseyn5224 I would suggest you to go with pc instead of laptop because your job is very heavy.
@@alaukiktandlekar114 Thank you! I guess you're right!
Music production can be done on 4-core processor without any issues. It utilizes multi core work.
@@Jubidar i watched youtube videos and they told that it utilizes single core performance
i think Lenovo didn't upgrade anything on Legion 2023 series, except CPU,GPU,cooling system and refresh rate in Legion pro 7i, even the port is downgraded from thunderbolt to normal type c
You can fit the m.2 drive. The “bending” is completely normal as it allows you to insert the drive at an angle with ease. Trust me, it wont break anything in the laptop.
It depends on the drive then, I suppose. I tried just now with a double-sided 2 TB Kingston Fury Renegade (the version without a heat-sink). Not a chance! No flex in this SSD, and had there been flex, it would have happened too close to the M.2 slot. Had I tried to "bend" this SSD, I would either have ripped off the M.2 slot from the mobo or cracked the SSD in half. And that's for certain - trust me!
It worked just fine in the secondary M.2 slot, though.
BTW, it's not shown very clear in the video just why you can't fit a double-sided SSD in the primary M.2 slot, and Jarrod doesn't explain it. Right next to the primary M.2 slot, on the mobo under the SSD disk, there's a ribbon cable connector which is a few mm thick. This connector stops a double-sided SSD (with thick enough chips on the backside) from being pushed down and seated.
If anything, GPU prices should be cheaper than a decade ago due to improved manufacturing. The idea that they expect us to pay more for more performance is insane. Not happening
Keep in mind inflation, the last few years have been record setting!
@@michalnowacki1489 The increases way outstrip inflation.
Well R&D, shipping, marketing and a whole lot more comes into play when it comes to tech. But yeah, some one off features like RTX, DLSS or AV1 isn't really much of a worthy reason to buy a new GPU for the AVE people.
Well it's completely opposite. GPU prices would be cheaper if the processing node stays the same as the manufacturing technology improves. However the cost for microchip manufacturers i.e. TSMC, Samsung & Intel for every node level improvement actually increases exponentally. For example, in order to develop 3nm processing node production line, TSMC actually spent more than $40 billion USD. That is A LOT of money spent on comparing to 28nm node, which is $65.5 million more than 10 years ago.
@@David-8686 yeah it’s time for a different approach
Great review as always.
This laptop is currently 1.9K usd on the site you provide above.
When it come to my country the price will be at least 2.8K.
Well, even last year most 3070Ti laptop on my country is still around 2.3K usd currently, and that was a "discount" price.
Exactly! That's the consequences of living in a F-ed up 3rd world country! I live in Iran! Thieves are ruling this country. F them!
Wtf
Which country is that?
In Australia 4000 series laptops are actually cheaper than 3000 series for some reason and 4000 laptops can go on sale. I recently bought my pro 5i with 4070 32gb ram for 2.8kAUD (1.8k USD) which is good price here.
did u get i7-13700hx o i7-13900hx ? is the 60$ upgrade for i9 worth it or is 17 13th enough for gaming ? (im asking for same model but im gonna go for 4060 version as its asking 250$ for 4070 upgrade) n already its 2000$ with 4060 here.
@@hemendraravi4787 I got the 13700hx with my unit. i7 is always more than enough for gaming but hey if it’s only $60 difference to get the i9 then I reckon go for i9. But other than that, i7 is plenty enough. If anything else the 4060 might bottleneck the i9. So if your purpose is to game, I might as well spend a bit more and get 4070 and stick with i7.
Pity you never managed to benchmark a 2022 5 Pro with the RTX 3070. I really wanted to see the generational change in the Legions from 3070 to 4070, since it uses the 150W 3070.
40%performance difference
Kinda weird that for the 2nd year the 5 Pro doesn’t feature at least a fingerprint reader. I think the Legion 7s finally get that option, but formerly only the Slim 7 had it
7 series got it last year, but this year's ''Pro'' 7 series removed it.
Funny, my $600 HP from 12 years ago had a fingerprint reader. Lol.
Still rocking my 5 Pro 2021 with 3070m and 5800H, I added a second 2TB SSD to it and upgraded to 32GB RAM as some games are becoming quite hungry (looking at you, Last of Us).
Thank you Jarrod for keeping us informed!
So you hardly use it? None of these have performance that doesnt degrade if you actually put it to use everyday
I have the exact same config as you bro 🤌🏼✨ just one question. All of a sudden, it hangs on the computer by itself while doing my light work. It's like if you insert a broken cd, the song skips, like that. I bought it in December 2022. I'm not sure if I format it. I tried all kinds of fix commands from cmd screen but it didn't fix it. does it happen to you too? It originally came with windows 11 installed.
@@boppernostopper8598 I never properly measured and took note of performance with 3DMark or some other benchmarking tool since I got it, but as long as you keep your fans and exhausts clean, the laptop shouldn't lose performance
@@Avucoda Never heard of this issue, I still refuse to upgrade to Windows 11 because I know I will encounter more problems.
Try updating BIOS and other things maybe?
@Avucoda that must be the infamous tpm bug that lenovo has yet to address
This year's Lenovo Pro 5i is a outright downgrade from last two year's model and apart from getting CPU and GPU refresh, everything is downgraded. For example, the 500 nits 240Hz screen is an optional upgrade this year and the base models are having a 350-nits 165Hz panel, a significant downgrade from the standard 500-nits 165Hz screen in 2021 and 2022 models. Thunderbolt 4 has been removed from this year's model whereas it was there for last two year's Intel models and even last year's AMD version got USB4 via BIOS upgrade. The Screen is still providing 100% sRGB, like last two years with around 70% Adobe RGB and DCI-P3 coverage whereas Asus G, M, ROG Strix/Strix SCAR, Alienware M16, all are offering almost full DCI-P3 coverage, making them very good for Video and photo editing tasks.
I've chosen the better display option and a 4050 and I think it was a good choice considering how good FG and DLSS 3 can be in 2023/2024 and later
@@TheMirrorYouDeserve 3060 even better than that and fg is good if you don't mind the latency which I'd you play val or comp rank game shit gonna hurt
@@Inc0gnit045 what laptop did you bought
@@notori-di5et I bought Lenovo legion 5i pro i7 12700H RTX 3060
The new Legion Slim 5i looks also plastic and it's only 1.5mm slimmer than Pro 5 version. Let's hope the RAM is upgradable atleast.
The 4070 is a difficult one to justify in a thick chassis this year. You’re really not getting the same benefit that you used to from going with a bigger machine. So far I’ve tested the Flow (lighter/smaller/smaller charging brick) in some of these benchmarks and scored the same, even in the lower powered 90-100 watt profiles, thanks to the efficiency of these cards.
Plus the extra hurt of seeing 4080 and 4090 laptops nearly doubling those scores 💀
Eyy ur vids r sick 🎉
Call it what it really is, 4060M, does that help you decide?
man, the 4060 and 70 are sorry. I think there's an argument for the 4050. The 4080 is amazing, brings gaming laptops to a whole new level. But upgrading from a mid tier 30 to 40 card makes no sense.
Just got my 7745HX and Rtx 4070, upgraded from 5800H and 3070. Say what you want, my games run soooo much smoother now honestly.
you needed to upgrade so soon?
The performance is actually great, 80W CPU + 140W GPU under full load is excellent. But the prices are ludicrous, thus making 2021-2022 models look even more compelling
Yup, waiting for prices to drop a bit more and then just buy a 3070ti version
great? it's 10% better than a 2 year old model and on par with the last year's model, with 1% lows(fps drops) being *worse*
so tell me again, how is it great?
@@TabalugaDragon I’m talking about the Laptop specifically, the 4070 is underwhelming as all know
@@alun1038 even if we're talking about the laptop itself, the last year's 3070 ti Legion 5 pro is like a couple % slower, so even comparing to Legion 5 it's bad considering it's new.
@@alun1038
Laptop has worse build quality, worse hardware, and higher price, whats so great about it again???
So I quite literally have your same configuration to a T. I was able to get a couple discounts and netted it with taxes at $1,937. It arrives this Thursday so hopefully no issues with it. Thank you for this review I was really waiting to see it before buying it but I got lucky with them discounts lol.
Hey Jarrod, could you check about the "undervolting" in the Vantage Software?
I think it only allows POSITIVE voltage changes. And not NEGATIVE (undervolting) changes!
Cheers.
(I tried Undervolting the Laptop (13500HX + RTX 4050 Version) with Throttlestop (No Effect) and XTU (Not possible).
You will need to disable "Undervolt protection" in the BIOS to undervolt.
@@CLFFRDCHNG nope that won't allow undervolting either. Not in Lenovo vantage, not in XTU and not with throttle stop. (the voltage changes in throttle stop have absolutely no effect to the cpu on my legion 5 pro)
@@Hubwood Hi Hubwood,
Those on reddit with 7i pro 13900hx managed to undervolt their cpu, not sure if mistakenly locked with i5 HX series
Btw, do you plan on making review with base 5 pro 13500hx and 4050 you are using?
Is there any difference between the heatsink size and cooling performance compare to higher spec 5 pro, i9 and rtx 4060-4070?
There are no reviews yet with that variant, im sure the community will appreaciate for the full review
Thanks again
@@albertputra6220 hey Albert, hm maybe it's possible with the 7i then 🤔 yes I will defenitely review this. I hope I will be done this Sunday or Monday.
Yeah only positive for me, I didn't try the BIOS thing suggested above though.
I recently bought the legion 5i with the i9 13th gen with a 4060, off an early Black Friday sale from Costco, I’m hoping this performance will be comparable since it was a pretty cheap price.
Cuanto te costó?
Hay una lenovo Legion Pro 5i con i9 13th con 4070 y 16 de RAM, un precio de 1550 $, lo recomiendas??
I got a 2022 5i pro (3070ti) that I absolutely adore. This channel actually helped me make the decision over the 2022 M16 I had. I got it on sale with a few nice features, including that 3 year full warranty. After taxes and shipping it came out right at $2000 USD. It might be worth looking into depending on your needs.
Cpu ?
good job choosing the lenevo. My 3 year old m15 is absolute garbage and started having issues from the 3rd month of ownership. Asus is a marketing company at it's core. Planning on replacing it with this laptop from the video since I get some pretty good discounts privately.
13900 HX or 7945HX with legion pro 5?
which is the best ? can you do a comparison please on the legion 5 pro?
$2000 for a 4070 is robbery.
I got mine for 3000 not kidding.
Which is a rebranded 4060 😂
Buy it please then I will rob u😂
@@themangobui1474 bro I bought an Aorus 17H with 4080 for $1990. What are you smoking? Go return it
um i would say 3000€ which is 3200$ is robbery in France 😂 for a 4070 - i9 😂😂
Lenovo was amazing with price around 1200 eur for rtx 2060 or 3060 , bur with legion 7 4080 costing here 3500 eur and strix 16 4080 costing 2500 eur or scar 16 3500 eur with mini led display..
Great video, though I thought it was a bit too negative given the availability of some great deals on the Legion Pro 5i. Yesterday, I purchased the Legion Pro 5i with i7-13700hx CPU, RTX 4060 GPU, 32 gb DDR5-4800 memory, 1 tb M.2 SSD, and 240 hz 1600p display from B&H. At $1249, this was a phenomenal opportunity relative to similarly priced gaming laptops, including the ASUS ROG Strix G16, which comes with an i9 CPU but 4050 GPU, or HP Omen 16, which has a much poorer display even with the same refresh rate. The system display is great, the build is solid, and it comes with a large number of ports. For someone who will use a laptop for multiple purposes (work, web browsing, watching videos, online roleplaying, and minimal gaming [mainly BG III]), I don't think there is a better value available at the current time.
Hey man! Also got mine from B&H. Got the 4070 option. $1569. Definitely worth waiting for the price drop. Especially considering the fact that the sale is off now and prices have returned to normal
@@contemplatingrain2380 Sounds like a good deal. Was that with 16 or 32 gb of memory?
@@Tiaopigui My specs
2.2 GHz Intel Core i9 24-Core (13th Gen)
32GB DDR5 RAM | 1TB NVMe SSD
16" 2560 x 1600 240 Hz IPS Display
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 (8GB GDDR6)
USB-A 3.2 Gen 1 | USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 | HDMI
Wi-Fi 6E (802.11ax) | Bluetooth 5.1
Gigabit Ethernet Port
1080p Full HD Webcam with Dual-Mic Array
4-Zone RGB Backlit Keyboard
Windows 11 Home
@@contemplatingrain2380 That is a remarkable price including the i9 processor.
Got one from B&H for 1.399 (DEC/2023). the 7i with the 4080 was 1.999.
The gen 8 Legion Slim's got listed on psref yesterday. Hoping to see reviews soon after they arrive to stores.
There is something that is a downgrade from last year model and that is the lack of Thunderbolt port on intel model. Hope AMD model will have USB4
Great video as usually. It seems that from marketing Lenovo thought if they add "pro" word in naming, that means that it must cost more. Comparison of lenovo 5 & 7 pros should be interesting as maybe it worth to take base 7th version rather than taking top 5th.
I reckon it's more they cut stuff out to keep prices down for the 4080/4090 models. NVIDIA have no competition in high end mobile and they never miss an opportunity to price gouge OEMs, AIBs or consumers
Finally the review I have been waiting for! Thanks, Jarrod!
No problem, thanks for watching!
Jerg
Hello Jarrod! I’ve been watching your videos every time i wanted to buy a laptop. Your reviews were my dealbreaker, just wanted to ask for you opinion. Currently, I’m torn in choosing between Legion 7 w/ AMD 9 5900HX/RTX 3080(Cheaper) and Legion Slim 7i w/ I9 13thgen/RTX 4070. Which would you pick?
Would definitely appreciate a 7i 5i comparison in the near future ...
Just paid $2141 CAD ($1575 USD) for this exact laptop from B&H, great deal IMO!
It would be nice to see a test on a normal i5 or i7 to see how computers with CPUs perform versus ones with CPU+GPU or with AMD how a APU compares to a CPU+GPU.
I recently bought this laptop for $1300 with the i7 13 gen and RTX 4070 at my local micro center and it was worth every dollar this thing is a beast
Do you know when you will get the AMD version @JarrodsTech?
I'm quite interested in the CPU comparison
I'd love to see a dedicated comparison between the Legion 5 & 7!
originally got the i7 4070 for 1700 during a sale on lenovo site, but was pretty disappointed in the performance and was just planning on getting the 3070ti variant from last year until I saw a 4080 legion 7i 2tb/32gb open box at my local microcenter for $2400 so I adjusted my budgets around and bought that instead and am way more happy. Getting double the performance in hefty games like spiderman and cyberpunk and witcher 3 with RT maxed.
I don't think anyone should pay more than like $1300 for a laptop with 8gb vram. Gonna be an issue real soon, heck even for some games right now.
And in a couple years the 4070 will be relying more on DLSS3 to maintain smoothness, and relying on devs to include technologies in future games is an unknown (I'm old enough to remember the attempt to bring 3D to gaming - the only good thing to come out of it was 120hz panels)
@@greebj 8gh vram is an issue too.
@@ChickenFriedCorgi everything nvidia on a laptop is 8gb unless its rtx3080,3080ti,4080,4090
Hi Jarrod great video! Can you make a video explaning why 1% lows in rtx 40 series are so bad in some games? Thanks
I'm not sure of the reason yet, I am reaching out to my contacts though to see if they have any answers.
@@JarrodsTechIs Legion 5 gen 8 good ?
500 nits 240 hz
32gb Ram gddr5
Ryzen 7 7745hx
Rtx 4060 8gb
1TB
For 1800-2000$
In my country the prices wary a lot (India) n 4070 legion costs 2500$ but with 16gb ram , more cost with nits n hz upgrades but has i7 13th gen or i9 13th gen for 2600$ , do I go with 4060 itself ? I don't think 600$ is worth it for 15% fps.
I'm going for legion as it has good temperature.
Legion gen 8 kinda mid except for the 4080/90 version, wich also cost more.
Gen 7 Legion aboslute W for the price to performance. The Legion 5 3070 ti is currently on my wishlist now.
Curious if the AMD 2023 version with the 7745HX/4070 will be reviewed? Would be interesting to see the battery savings and performance difference for the pricing.
I ordered this one yesterday, then cancelled it because I saw multiple reports online of the 7745HX hitting 105C and thermal throttling in the pro 5
If you limit the 7745HX max power to 85W, it will sit around 67c. It will loose only 200-300 points from Cinebench R23.
im rocking the 2022 model with 3070 and 32GB . super happy with it still :)
Not really Lenovo's fault, but the 4070 for around this price is just bad value considering how it performs.
People who are just gaming should buy the $1350 3070Ti model and get basically the same performance for $500-$600 less as you mention at the end of the video.
Unfortunally its not only NVIDIA with the 4070 but also Intel 13th gen is very disappointing. Both Price to Performance and Performance per watt is bad. AMD not only wins massively in efficiency but their top gaming processor Ryzen 9 7945HX beats Intels laptop workstation equivalent I9 13980hk both in performance and efficiency at the same time.
@@jdharvie wow such bullshit
Legion Pro 5 dropped to $1699 @ Lenovo when in stock.
B and H has this laptop on sale 8th gen i7hx 32gb of ram rtx 4060 1tb ssd with the upgraded 240hz screen for 1300$
Now, in my country, Pro 5i with i9-13900hx ram32gb and 4070 is around 1800-1820$ including untimate warranty 2 year, Lenovo 24inch monitor and headset. This price is quite acceptable and chaper than eariler but you have to wait for a couple week cause it is a custom order..
do you think the voltage limit on the 4050, 60 and 70 will be increased sometime in the future with a bios or software update? (talking about the laptops not reaching their full 140w in games)
No.
Long answer, nope.
Usually on mobile it's locked down short of crazy hard modding, which nobody does on laptops anymore bc of the risk (cost of entire motherboard replacement) and rewards being so minimal (headroom is not there thermally/power delivery to make it worthwhile).
U cannot, unless u undervolt
On sale right now for 1499.99... I kind of want to buy it since my previous laptop's motherboard burned out but ever since Steam deck came out, it changed the way how I play my games. I'm now considering on waiting for the GPD win max 2 to get the 7840u chipset and just use that as my daily driver and use my desktop + dGPU to game.
Just bought it. The criticism is because the price is not fair related to the "upgrades" of this years version. But for that price it's an absolute STEAL.
Oof. Losing to cheaper last gen 3070 ti laptops is awful. That it also runs hot doesn't help things. Looks like Lenovo dropped the ball on this one.
Not so much a Lenovo thing than Nvidia I think, they're the one that made the 4070 the way it is!
Hi there Jarrod. Just curious, why there are no HP omen laptops in you comparisons? Are they so bad or just cant hold up to other machines?
They are absent because HP's Australian team simply doesn't provide review units to JT.
Jarrod, can you also check out the AI engine on the Pro 5 and Pro 7? Other youtube reviews have mentioned that it analyzes the game you play overtime and adjusts the power and whatnot to give the best performance. Perhaps you can give us a more detailed info on that since you are the most detailed laptop reviewer
Also, is the Acer Helios 16 review coming out soon? It's the only one in my country that has my needs and there aren't many detailed reviews on it :(
Hey Jarrod. Serious question. What laptop would offer max performance in quiet mode or a super quiet balanced mode?
Awesome review as always! Would love to see a review of the new Alienware laptops like the M16
Always have so much details and tests and number and i love it. Thank you❤. Keep up the good work g
Jarrod can we have Legion slI'm 7i 2022 vs legion slim 7i 2023 comoarision?
Depends if there's enough demand, dedicated comparisons are a lot of work. At a minimum I'd talk about how they're different in the review.
@@JarrodsTech Okah. I kow its difficult. But i love your detailed review. I am planning to get the legion slI'm 7i 12700h 3060 in some weeks after my exams
@@Romash. if ur desperate for the comparison i recommend watching both review ( when the 2023 comes out) and comparing each section as the layout of the video is pretty much the same 😊. Otherwise honestly if u cna get the. 2022 for cheap go for it. I cant even get the slim 7i 2022 as they didnt i port into my country xD
Wait im confused. Were the 4060/70 max power limits of ~ 100W removed by Nvidia since you originally made the video about Nvidias power cap? Because in this it shows the 4070 running at 140W?
4070 slightly performs lower than 3070ti but if u use frame gen then it will be better
Jarrods please show the results using frame gen also
can't wait for you to test thin and light rtx 4070 laptops (msi stealth 16, zephyrus M16, Omen ascend, legion slim etc) some come at full wattage but lets see if they can actually mantain the power
M16 is in testing at the moment and I hope to get more of the lighter laptops in the future.
Balanced mode is surprising. Less wattage, but great efficiency. Considering the costs of running this laptop over the course of a year, Balanced Mode could save you some cash!
Over the span of it's usage, say 2-3 years, that's a considerable saving.
Yeah this is a great laptop if you take cost of ownership into account.
It's like buying inverter versus non inverted appliances. Sure, it's cheaper at first, but once you use it over a year, you'll be surprised how much electricity money you are wasting.
Still, I am disappointed in Lenovo downgrading the display's maximum brightness in this year's model.
Yeah this is a great laptop if you take cost of ownership into account.
It's like buying inverter versus non inverted appliances. Sure, it's cheaper at first, but once you use it over a year, you'll be surprised how much electricity money you are wasting.
Still, I am disappointed in Lenovo downgrading the display's maximum brightness in this year's model.
Gaming laptops can last to 6 years if cared correctly
hey Jarrod, which one do u choose? mostly for gaming
ASUS G16 i7 13650HX-32GB-2TB SSD-8GB RTX 4060-FHD+ 165Hz
or
Lenovo Legion Pro 5 i7 13700HX-16GB-1TB SSD-8GB RTX 4060-WQXGA 240Hz
they are the same price here
This cooling is amazing! Laptop's decent too, Lenovo didnt kick hard like last year but its all fine
I think this would be a great mid-range laptop, but I think the big problem with this laptop is the existence of the 2022 Legion 7i, which is on sale right now.
I agree. Their laptops aren't even all metal anymore. Also, there is very little difference between the 7 and 5 now. This is really stupid.
@@cameronbosch1213 I bought down the 4060+13700HX down to 1510 and 4070 to 1610(US)
@@mehdishirazi3 "Legion 9 wen??!?!?!?!?!" 😂
@@mehdishirazi3 Metal is worse for me. Heavier, more thermal absorbing, etc.
Once I had laptop with metal downside, and with CPU temperatures around 70*C I couldn't keep it on knees, because it have been too hot. Since then I prefer plastic. :D Durability is not really an argument, because I don't throw it around.
So, with same specs Legion 7 is only better than 5 for thermals because of the vapor-chamber, right? And the cons is the extra weight and extra price.
Hello Jarrod, maybe its only me but - whats the problem of this model exactly?
The pricing at the time
Ok so I guess the glowing around the edges of the screen in certain dark scenes and whatnot is normal? The backlight bleed is what I'm referring to.
Work just bought me last year's model. Not complaining 😜
Nice!
Hey, I bought this laptop like a year ago, do you recommend repasting already? If so what thermal paste you recommend, thanks in advance.
this guy will throw an R in any word he can 😂
Hi there , thanks for the great content , I just bought a brand new Legion pro 5i Gen 8 , intel Core i7 13700 HX , Nvidia RTX 4060 GPU 8 GB GDDR6 , 16GB DDR-5 4800 MHz and while I was playing warzone on a display setting of 2560x1440 , 7,8 minutes into the game my laptop suddenly got turned off , now when I try too boot the RGB lights on keyboard are showing up but the Legion sign doesn’t come up ( black lcd ) , nothing comes up , tried holding power button for a minute , unplugged power button , let the laptop cool down but nothing works , I mean is this normal for a gaming laptop with this configuration ?
Any clues if there will be a legion 9i series?
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So... I'll take it as a yes?
Hi @JarrodsTech, I'm looking at a 2022 rtx 3070 which is almost same price as rtx 4060 2023, which one to pick here ? Also does intel/amd processors matter ? I see amd versions push more power to gpu. Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
This new gen is sure a disappointment. I'm glad I got the 2021 Legion 7 with 3080 for $1440 last year, it's been holding up well and I love having 16 Gb of Nvidia VRAM with an AMD CPU. The 2022 version was nice but much more expensive while only being slightly better overall. Now this year is a downgrade to save costs but still more expensive.
140W ==> It is called USB PD EPR (Extended Power Range) ==> 28V @ 5A
Please review the new Lenovo LOQ laptops with rtx 4060
Still waiting to get that one!
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Saw it too but i feel like LOQ is just a new child of Ideapad that copies a friend called legion. XD just joking seems to be cool 😂
5:14 Why don't you remove a quarter of a point instead of a half of a point for the issue with double-sided SSDs? I think it should be higher than a laptop that has a M.2 2230, for example, but not higher than a laptop that DOES support double-sided SSDs.
I guess I never considered going that far, I don't really have an in-depth scoring system which is part of the problem lol.
@@JarrodsTech Yeah, it can be kind of difficult when talking about the amount of points to remove when dealing with decimals...
is there any difference between the legion pro 5i and the legion Pro 5 16IRX8 shown at the end of the video?
I hope he keeps updating about the black screen issue. I'm really looking forward to buying this model and don't want that to be a deal breaker.
I had the 2021 5 Pro, but had to return the device because of a similar issue which caused the screen to go black on closing and reopening the lid while in dGPU mode, and ended up restarting the device every time this happened. The issue was later fixed with an Nvidia driver update, but it took almost 7 months to get it patched.
I will update once it's confirmed resolved. It has been less common recently, so that's something!
Hey! Great video. I just bought the 3070ti 2022 version of this laptop. I'm new to the higher generation of laptops. You mentioned tuning the overclock? What does that mean/ how would I do that?
Also how do I make sure I'm running the max watts to my gpu?
Having just bought the 7i with the 4070 config this review gives me a very close approximation for what to expect from it. Thanks Jarrod.
Oh and before people go of on me for getting a 4070 laptop, I plan on keeping it for 4-6 years at least plus the resell value in my country is insane.
Where do you live that the resale value of a mid-range gaming laptop is still high after 5 years?
If I sold any tech stuff in Europe after 5 years I'd probably get 10-15% of MSRP.
Gaming laptop with high resale value? wahat??
@@TheHipClip I'm in a third wolrd country and the markup of tech here is insane. A used 1050 8gb ram laptop is being sold here for $1193
@@carmeloanthony5267 The mark up of electronics where I'm from is 2X on the low end
@@ymanexpress god damn. 1050 at $1000+ is insane. I'm from India and i can say that even here the prices are atrocious due to 17% electronic taxes but sheesh you guys are giving a tough competition lmao
140W charging is a part of USB PD 3.1 spec, it's 28V@5A, not 20V@7A. PD 3.1 EPR spec allows up to 240W (48V@5A)
Yea. My point was what they are doing isn't because it's not 5A
After this review I am very happy with my Legion (5 PRO 2022 12700h with RTX 3070 Ti). Not much difference in GPU performance (especially when comparing 3070 Ti and 4070 on your channel), Thanks Jarrod, I bought Legion 2022 based on your feedback I'm even more pleased looking at the 2023 edition.
I've bought the same 2022 5 pro version and I totally agree! Seeing this year's version made me even happier about my decision to go with 2022 model containing 3070Ti
Im planning to buy this how is the battery life on on normal usage? thanks
But its too op here in PH it cost 2.5k usd for that model
Bro you're a lucky peacock right now, it's been a heck for me for the past one month I'm looking for the 3070ti like a thirty bull but so far I'm failed though I'm getting the 4060 model for the same price yeah that's weird but that's what it is but I want 3070ti so much 😢
@@kanbei0412 I got the 3070ti variant for $2000+ just imagine 😐
As Always, Thank You Jarrod for your contribution with in-depth contents and reviews. Man why is this dude so under-rated ?
I always wanted to buy a Legion for the last 2 years but recently bought an Asus TUF F15 2022 (China Variant, 12700H + 3060). The reason is simple, the legion was overpriced and expensive compared to their rivals and I desperately needed a laptop for my ongoing project. Lenovo changed the gaming laptop lineup in 2021 with their Legion 5 3060 130W and better thermals. 2022 ones were better too but now legion is cutting down improvements at higher cost. Sad.
I request Lenovo to improve their Legion displays to 100% DCI-P3 like Asus and similar rivals. Additionally, pls keep the 3.5mm Jack on the left side instead of right -_-
If you can find the information, could you give some advice on legion 5 (ryzen 7, 4060) vs machnike L16 pro (i9, 4070)? bcos they are the same price in singapore but the machenike has much better hardware. This will be my first gaming laptop so i’m unsure if machenike is reliable
No offense jarrod but are you balding?? because i can see some white on the top of the head lol
I'm not. It's probably headphone hair :D I wear them all day, so it all gets a bit squished.
For those in europe, pc starts for about 1880€ instead of the 1400$ ne its for of course an i5-13500hx x Rtx 4050
They still smoking some crack from last year where everything got super overpriced and now expecting to keep riding that train? Time to sober up Lenovo.
yeah im trying to get coupon codes just to get it at cheapest, already got a free coupon for -120€
thanks for the rewiew, imo youre one of the best to do reviews on gaming laptops on youtube. It would be nice if you could give your opinion on all features you cover relative to other laptops features you covered. For instance, you said the speakers sound fine, nothing amazing. On your legion 7 pro 2023 you said the speakers sound good. But how do they compare? How do they compare from the 5i 2023 to the 5i 2022?
will Acer provide you with a review unit for the helios 16 or 18 ? i hope you will review them soon , also may i ask you should i get a 17" laptop as i always carry my 15" laptop to work daily and for the past 7+ years never switched to a 17" ..
Hi! Can you please help me choose between these two:
- asus tuf a15 ryzen 7 6800h rtx 3060 (140w) 16GB ddr5
- hp omen 15 ryzen 7 5800h rtx 3070 32GB ddr4
I know it's not clickbait, but you provided a Title ("Legion Pro 5i (2023) Has a Problem") but did not specify in the video what this problem was. Is it just the price you were talking about? It's not that bad if you factor in almost $400 in discounts.
I just picked up the 5 Pro at Microcenter (not labeled 5i pro) for $1599. 13700HX, 4070, 1TB SSD and 32GB memory. This was $100 less and came with twice the memory of any similar 5i Pro on Lenovo's website. Decent value
Same here brother. I got that exact same thing for 1550$ with taxes from micro center. I still did not get my hands on it. It’s with one of my relatives. They will bring it a week or two later. On the product page it is labelled as “legion 5 pro” but in reality it should be “legion 5i pro” if it comes with an intel processor. Can you confirm this?
@@tahmeedabtahee8976 It depends, they had another model for 100 or $200 cheaper than mine that was a Ryzen model. I would make sure that you got the 4070 version. But yes it's really weird the way they were selling mine. It was the exact same thing as a 5i. But it was labeled as a five and I even called Lenovo and they confirmed that it was literally the exact same laptop that was listed on their website but I was getting double the memory and paying $100 less at micro center. Same screen, same refresh rate, everything. I will be running tests and benchmarks to make sure that it's actually running fine. But both of Lenovo nor the representative at micro center could identify any differences. I wonder if it was a mistake
Which is best to buy Lenovo legion pro 5i 2023 RTX 4070 vs Asus Rog zephyrus M16 2023 RTX 4070? Please Reply
I think slightly better performance and slightly lower price with lenovo pro 5i is better than Asus M16. I was on the same dilemma , Asus is better brand than lenovo I think, but on the other hand lenovo pro 5i has better cpu and lower price than asus M16. I got the lenovo pro 5i , but I have a crash problem. I cant play games. I am gonna return it for repair.
Hey Jarrod,love your videos and I've recently bought a Max-p 3060,is there any way possible for you to show on how to make use of dynamic boost?
Going into 2024 I feel like this is a good pick the price have dropped significantly and I can get my hand on one with a 4070, 16gb, 1tb ,240hz for about 1800$ cad or 1300 usd witch is pretty good for what It is
brooo should i get it
@@pinkpalace-yx2ew If you're going for cheap performance then for sure it's insanely good for the price
@@damien.berthiaumewhat do you mean?
@@TomasN37 Lenovo have great spring sale rn, so it's a good price for those spec. 2024 models are pretty expensive and basically a 2023 repackaged
You are amazing! Cristal clear info about every aspect. I bought two laptops this week for my work after watching your videos, thank you very much for your help!
Cheers, happy to help!
This is on sale now at USD1250 (RTX 4060, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD). Is it a better buy over ROG Zephyrus G14 2023 (16GB RAM, RTX 4060, 512GB SSD) at the same price ?
Dammit. I knew that the legion 7 was dulled from the last review but now the 5 too? Well, at least this makes me appreciate last year’s 7 even more.