AI Alfa Romeo Scratch Build Series: Wireform build out (Episode 5)
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AI Alfa Romeo Scratch Build Series: Wireform build out
AI Alfa Romeo Scratch Build Series:
Episode 4: • AI Alfa Romeo Scratch ...
Episode 3: • AI Alfa Romeo Scratch ...
Episode 2: • Alfa Romeo Scratch Bui...
Episode 1: • Alfa Romeo Scratch Bui...
How to design your own AI Car: • How to Design Your Car...
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There’s something you gain here over cad, and that’s seeing it in 1:1 on the fly. Either way, it’s a lot of work no matter the process.
Many times over my career I’ve been duped by on screen scale after printing objects.
Keep up the good work Wray, this is a fun one to watch.
Thanks!
This is some wild shit, Wray. Not because of the origin of the design but how you explain it and how its executed in real world based off an AI concept.. I have done this in CAD countless time with vintage models, plus 37 years of real (brutal) car design and engineering experience. Could write a dissertation on my approach but will watch as you evolve this concept. I can learn a lot. Just glad I do not have to attend 20 meetings to design a bolt.
Nice project, I wanted the full scale dimensions of a Honda rc166 race bike. I used a projector to project a photo image of the bike onto a wall using the 18 inch wheels to get the image size right. Then traced around the image. It worked really well.
Great idea!
There was a project we did a while back for a customer, and that's how we also ended up drawing it out. This is why I feel we need to embrace the technology, especially in the coachbuilding field.
I was thinking Wray could make a silhouette of himself seated in the actual seat he plans to use, and that 2-D paper or wood silhouette could go in place. I even looked up how to do a DIY silhouette of a seated person actual size but failed to find anything to recommend. Good idea to get the accurate size using the 18 inch motorcycle wheels, I couldn't imagine how to do that when I was thinking about it.
Glad to see you’re back making videos. I can start to see the direction you’re headed with the added wires.
I like the use of primary wires and modular wires, it simplifies the form
I couldn't see this working at all, then you rolled the wheels into place and the whole thing snapped to life in my brain. Amazing!
Thanks for sharing. Great work. From the side it resembles a Toyota 2000 GT from 1967.
Now that's interesting, you're the first comment on the Toyota 2000 GT, I'm trying to pull the specs from the different cars people believe it resembles. It potentially tells me where we should be or what should change. Hope you're enjoying this build!
Nice! My suggestions: increase the windshield rake to match the GTV6's and move the headlight location further aft to be more like a 250 GTO or a 250 TR.
I appreciate the suggestions, after this last video with more of the primary lines in it makes it easier to see more tweaks will definitely need to be made. This becomes almost a meditative process.
Cool project Wray
Really like your methodology Wray. Cheers 👍💪✌
It's almost like meditation at times, plus we probably used $20 worth of 1/4" wire ad the primary lines are there. I appreciate the comment!
I keep seeing a '62 Ferrari 250 GTO side view . With the Jaguar tilt front.
I'm seeing a few different designs but those two definitely keep popping up in my mind. Hopefully when it's all finished we can make it truly unique.
Loving this series Wray, you and your guys are doing a terrific job here. Extremely watchable, well done chaps!👍
Good video. My building skills are zero. The first 4 videos had me a little lost, but once you put the wheels in and started to adjust, I could envision a car. From then I could start to anticipate your adjustments. Very interesting.
Roof line definitely needs dropping. The line would flow better then. I think a boat tail trunk area would look good
I think so too. The rear I was thinking about providing 10 different styles that we like at the shop and have the viewers vote on the one they like best.
I'm 20 minutes in and you have a Tatra v8! You have a really inspiring set of skills. Stay away from CAD please.
Thank you, and we will definitely be staying away from CAD.
Awesome work.👍
Pleasure to watch and listen! Like always!👏
Thank you! Cheers!
Loving this series on the alfa build!!
See you soon bud!
@@proshaper can't wait!!
So glad to start catching up again. I can see that patience is the key!
A thought: The AI's "drawing" looks like someone asked it what a mid- or late-Fifties Ferrari 250GT Tour de France would look like if it had been designed and built by Alfa Romeo. You're using a V6, but the TdF was a V12. You may end up shortening the front half or so of the car a bit because you don't need that much room to get the shorter V6 behind the axle line of the front wheels.
I look forward to the next video in this series with eager anticip--
Looking good I think they call it wire, CAD, And thanks again for talking to me that last weekend or the weekend before about that fender
Thanks for the video, it seems like a long time between videos. I'll practice better patients, see I absorbed the greater lesson here.
Fun to see it come together!
Greatly appreciate this comment!
Looking good so far. Dunno 🤔. The pic is more GT but wire is 2+2 like the GTV.
This is super fascinating!
The adjustable driver is an excellent device.
I made that a long time ago and it really helps when trying to visualize what needs to happen next.
To bring this to what I feel are the absolute basics... It's art and we need an artist eye to have the vision and bring it to life
Really a great interactive process!
Seems like there is a lot of hard geometry encoded in the AI rendering.
If you boxed out some perspective rectangles directly on your photo, i bet you could get some pretty solid preliminary reference dimensions off the image using proportional dividers.
Fascinating technique - so simple but so very effective.
Question - if you have the AI impression of the finished article, could you take sections lengthwise and width wise to get a start on the word form ?
Can’t wait for further progress.
We definitely could. With the picture we are using, because it's a 3/4 view it's a little more difficult. Especially since we don't exactly know how the back is going to look, we will still be modifying things. Once the secondary lines are in, you will really start to see it pop.
Great watching the structure development to a stunning car.
Appreciate it!
this is very very cool and interesting keep it coming Ray
Great Job Wray, your experience is valuable
I appreciate that
Nice to see your working process. Thanks!
as the dimensions are added even between 2nd 3rd it starts to metamorphize into a contour here a raised curve there and a shape magically starts to appear - finally giving wray to the flowing skin of an automotive sculpture I'm totally into this creativity - thanks for sharing
I can see it being to take shape.
Looking good Wray!
Thank you!
Great video on Wireform, but I think the shaping is too high & stocky, at least in contrast to how I see the rendering. The rendering looks low, even lower than a Ferrari 250 GTO & it looks swept back with the driver almost certainly sitting in a more reclined position. However that's my impression of the rendering & you are the master, so no doubt what you sculpt with be magnificent none the less.
Please keep the comments like this coming! I want to try to make this as much of a group build as well. When we get some secondary lines in place, that's when a lot of adjustments will have to be made. I think the height of a Ferrari 250 GTO is around 48 inches, it will be interesting to see how close we come to that height.
Van Gogh and Rembrandt didn't need Photoshop... Skilled designers - as you said Wray - need talent, paper, hands and simple tools. It takes a while to master CAD, you're right.
Wray absolutely loving this ... thank you ... i hope you don't mind me saying this (i'm an artist painter by trade, so i'm used to creating things 3d on a two dimensional plain)... so here goes... i think the bonnet line centre line, where it meets the windshield needs to come down in line with the other outer line (height wise) if you come across the line of the wind shield left to right they are in a similar plain. hope thats ok to say.
Please keep letting me know what you see. I think that center line is too high and Mark thinks it should be more in line with the fender line too. I want to try to turn this into a group build with all the viewers. Sometimes, you all can see things I may miss. All this feedback certainly helps and is greatly appreciated!
@@proshaper THanks for replying Wray ... you made my day ... this is looking so much better, the wheels really help too
looks good Wray
Very enjoyable video thanks Wray.
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice Work. Going to be a lot of Work. Happy Birthday to you & Many More. Have a Great Easter.
#STAYSAFE
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Thanks 👍
Making great progress
Great project! Well done
Wray, could you use the side measurement of the rims to give you scale and then from that your wheel base and then from that adjust to suit????
Awesome construct.
There is always photographic distortion.
All good. That's how I made all of my tooling and especially your gathering tool from scaling photos.@@proshaper
GTV6 has a 94” wheelbase, not 74.
Yeah, I had a mental breakdown. I corrected later.
I think the hump over the rear wheel is too high, It should mirror the front wheel. There is not much travel in the rear wheel so no need for an exaggerated hump. Just my humble opinion.
You're probably right on that. In the shop we're almost at a tie, some people say it's too high and others like it that high. It may have to come down to a vote from the audience!
I wonder if that Alfa engine is too tall for that rendering. Maybe a hood bump to fit it? I feel the super low front fender line is a big part of the appeal of this render.
I believe we will need to add that bump, I'm hoping to have a cutout of the engine that we can place in the wireform to see what else might need to be done. I also agree with the low front fenders, makes this rendering pop!
@@proshaper I used to have a Spitfire, and I feel like the seating position is similar to what you require here. Seat was between frame rails, seat bottom very thin. Your butt is only a few inches above the bottom of the car, legs straight out.
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Impressive however in my humble opinion it looks to short, too high. Any way to generate a true side profile image of the car?
We're still trying to figure out how we want the rear to look, so depending on that we may be making it longer. In the video we are filming now, we do address the height and we created a cardboard cutout of the engine to help. Unfortunately we only have the 3/4 view, if we generate a picture of the side it will then become a different variation of the car.
We're using this design more as inspiration as the final result may not look exactly like it. We're just having a lot more fun on this one. Hope you like the way it looks after this new video drops on Friday.
CorelDraw wireframe
I appreciate this, I'm trying it out right now and have one heck of a learning curve.
@@proshaper * vertices, the little squares have an 'arm' that when you push pull it modifies the curve surfaces 😎 glorious program for vinyl CNC etc
I've wanted to learn CAD so badly. Took it twice in college 30yrs ago. Flunked both times. It never made sense to me. Bought an online Fusion 360 class this past Christmas. Went ok until my screen didn't look like the tutorial. Other folks questions on the forum got answered within 24hrs. Two months later my question is still unanswered. So, I'm stuck at the impasse and continue hand drawing and drafting. Some things just are not to be.
Does it make sense to always start with the wheel openings before creating the hood and roof center lines? The wheel openings seem like the one thing that is pretty much set in stone when it comes to placement. At least in relation to height.
Not necessarily. We usually start with the center line then the two primary lines for the fenders and go from there. The wheel openings have typically been later in the build. I just wanted for the viewers to be able to see our idea quicker on video, and was thinking placing the wheels might help with that.
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going to be a mini car ,,, the wheelbase needs to be a lot longer and the shape looks like a vw beetle right now
I will make you look foolish in later installments.
@@proshaper 94,4 inch is the exact wheelbase of a beetle ,, than to compare to a similar car , the alfa romeo TZ2 that looks exactly like your Ai picture it is only 1 meter high , the puppet figure is up wayyyy to high ,it needs to be much lower if you want to create the look of the sportscar in the Ai picture his but needs to be a few inches of the ground, a bit like in a jaguar e type ( about 8 maybe 10 inch of the ground ) , than you can lower the roofline and the windshield , and get the look of the Ai picture , now it looks like a beetle
@@modelmania825its all presenting itself slowly as you go. big evolution ffrom the beginning to end of the video. let him get some more wires in and adjust accordingly.
who said "hey" @16:44?😅
That’s what happens when you get over Wray’s knee. Hahaha
I just spit out my coffee reading this comment!
HAHAHA, that was Mark. When he seperates the audio from the video, it goes through some enhancements and raises all the other voices for some reason but keeps his at a nice level. Good catch!
Excuses, excuses. Hahahaha!!!
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Wheelbase is ok. Way too tall. GTV6 is a do all auto,; sporty but can carry four. The 6C3000 esque like in the picture, the roofline and fenders are more kin to GTO height.
We definitely need to adjust a lot but are waiting for a few secondary lines to give us an idea of what needs to happen next. Someone commented that it may need to be lower than a Ferrari 250 GTO which has peaked my interest.
i agree with @russtuff, i didn't see this working and then you worked your magic (Logic) and the project started to take life!! I enjoy your channel and am excited to see this build come to life
Thank you! I really am trying to inspire people and by using this wireform, it really does become cost effective. The wireform becomes a wonderful art piece on it's own when it's completed.
Once we put some secondary lines in, it will really pop!
I dont know man, looks like you got a vw beetle in there some how..needs more precise measurements..anyway your way..
Well we definitely don't want that, we are going to be doing some more filming these next few days and should have the latest video by Thursday or Friday. Hopefully by then it will look less like a VW Beetle. I'm just enjoying the process right now. Please let me know what else you see that might need tweaking.