Verses Used to Support the Trinity - John 1:1 (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2011
- Is Jesus Christ God or the created Son of God? This teaching explores the phrase “and the Word was God” from John 1:1, focusing on the Greek word theos, which is translated as “God” or “god”. In this instance, theos may legitimately be translated without the use of the indefinite article, or “what God was, the Word was”. The Word of God has the attributes of God.
Verses: John 1:1
Teacher: John Schoenheit
[ See all our videos at / biblicalunitarian ] John Schoenheit of Spirit & Truth Fellowship International (www.stfonline.org) shares on "John 1:1 (Part 1)."
People say I'm not saved if I don't believe in the Trinity. The only thing that made me question the Trinity teaching was the words of Jesus. Either I follow Jesus or man. I chose The Son of God.
Just Chillin- What's funny is Jesus didn't teach anybody the trinity or modalism yet people demand it is necessary! Yet none of the writers or disciples of Jesus believed in either one of these false systems!
You are the wise man that built his house upon the rock- the man Christ jesus
I find this very interesting. I found myself thinking this very thing, if I was stuck with the translation "the Word was with God, and the Word was God". I started thinking what if it doesn't mean he literally "was" God? But rather the representation of God, in perfect union and qualities, as God's word and will. ("If you've seen me, you've seen the father also"). When I was a Jehovah's Witness I'd read their translation which says the "Word was a god". While it can be argued that Jesus was a 'god' in the context of other scriptures, to me it just seems a bit out of place given the spirit/message of the gospels. So the suggestion of "what God was, the Word was" does seem to fit a lot better. Anyway, I'm open to keep adjusting my understanding, I've much still to learn.
thank you for this one. I'am a roman catholic, but later became a born again christian, but when i have studied the bible deeper. now i am a unitarian. Joh 20:17 /john17:3/John 14:28/Act 2:22/1Ti 2:5 /1Co 8:6 some of those bible txt i have clearly understood with no farther explanation about Jesus. Thank you. God bless you all through Jesus Christ...
I think even if the translation should be as you suggest, it is still heavily Trinitarian. The reason for this is that this alternate translation (What God was, the word was) could still mean Jesus is God.
But the biggest problem for the Unitarian view of John 1:1 is John 1:2-3 which says, "He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."
Certainly this sounds as if Jesus is eternal & the Creator??
I am a Christian (am a member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo or Church Of Christ). John 1:1 does not teach that Christ is God. The phrase in John 1:1 "and the Word was God" is equivalent to "and the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed Translation; Moffat Translation). The word "God" was used not as a noun but as an adjective to describe the quality of God's word which is powerful (Gen. 17:1; Luke 1:37). The "Word" in the verse refers to the PLAN of God since the beginning concerning Christ (I Peter 1:20) which was fulfilled when Christ was born of a woman (Galatians 4:4). Thus, John 1:1 says, "In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God..." because it's God's plan. If the "Word" were another God, there would be two Gods, and it will contradict the biblical truth that there is only one God: the Father in heaven.
No, we can't say that this verse is heavly trinitarian. A author calling someone God is not a big deal, if you have read John, his language is same all over the Book, and In Old testament GOD himself called Moses God ... So, can you please make trinity into Fournity????😂 Add moses as well...
Here is verse: "And he shall speak for you to the people, and he shall be as your mouth, while you shall be to him as God” (Exod.4:16).
@@hashmihere6379 Question I’m just trying to find the truth. How would you explain when it later says in verse 3 “All things were made by him…” just trying to understand. Also Daniel 7 when the son of man was given dominion and a kingdom by the ancient of days.
How can something have a beginning and be eternal?
Jesus is the son of God, God is the father of Jesus, end of story
You go boy. So simple so sassy I like it .😊
Took me a while to see that
Well done. Keep up the great research!!!
Very helpful and I see you’ve done your homework.
I really enjoy your information ! Thanks!!!
Great vid. Thanks for posting it.
I am finally beginning to understand the Trinity.
These videos are very helpful in understanding God and Jesus........Thank you for your time in sharing this with us.......May God bless you as your videos have blessed me.
DanWashington. part 1:
All I know is that God Almighty will not share His glory and will never contradict Himself. I also know that God thru Moses said beside me there is no other God. God Himself said I am a jealous God, The entire bible refer to Jesus showing father God approval of Jesus. Jesus Christ made it clear that those who will come to him are the only one whose God the Father will give to Him and that he (Jesus Christ) will never cast them out.
At the end, you have to answer these questions...
1) Who's Word is being referred to?
2) If it is referring to The Word of God...Was the Word of God created?
Hi, I am a Christian (am a member of the Iglesia Ni Cristo or Church Of Christ). John 1:1 does not teach that Christ is God. The phrase in John 1:1 "and the Word was God" is equivalent to "and the Word was Divine" (Goodspeed Translation; Moffat Translation). The word "God" was used not as a noun but as an adjective to describe the quality of God's word which is powerful (Gen. 17:1; Luke 1:37). The "Word" in the verse refers to the PLAN of God since the beginning concerning Christ (I Peter 1:20) which was fulfilled when Christ was born of a woman (Galatians 4:4). Thus, John 1:1 says, "In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God..." because it's God's plan. If the "Word" were another God, there would be two Gods, and it will contradict the biblical truth that there is only one God: the Father in heaven.
Fabulous, absolutely loved the video and the teaching. John teaches with joyful excitement and in a manner that is easy to understand. I will certainly be listening to more of John's teachings.
Sir, I have discovered your viideo along with the "Abrahamic Faith" channel and am enjoying them and gleaning so much info from them. have a qyestion. Where do Biblical Unitarians stand on the Sabbath and the Clean and Uncleab food laws layed down by our Creator. I believe the Sabbath was never changed by God and that His Kosher laws still apply,not for salvation but for an in sync walk with YAHWEH. I'd just like to get the Biblical Unitarian take on this subject.
Col. 2:9? I believe this should be recognized as a Hebraism: " For in him all the plenitude of mghtiness dwells bodily, and in him you are made full, who is the head of all principality and power." Jesus, in his spiritual body, has been given all mightiness needed to be "head of all principality, and power,", recognizing that the Most High is excepted in that which Jesus is made head of. -- 1 Cor 15:27.
Awesome Teaching! Thank you.
can somebody tell me the name of the new greek bible john is using . would like to also have one.......
im thank you and i like to lisit
Do you believe Jesus Christ is a created being or thing? Also I was wondering if you hold the scriptures to the final authority?
Beautifully explained and I understand what you are saying. I keep looking at all the videos and commentaries re John 1:1 and the Trinity and all seem to put their slant on it. I believe in God and I believe in Jesus, and I am convinced Jesus was not God BUT I believe God gave Jesus as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. I also believe God gave Jesus his power to demonstrate his direct connection to God. I would have thought verses such as 1 Timothy 2:5 would explain the relationship. So I ask do Trinitarians believe Jesus was THE GOD? : Hope I'm right
Only 1/2 of my post on John 17:5 was posted so please allow me to continue by asking you TWO QUESTIONS.
1. Can you show me any verses in Scripture that show where God the Son was created?
2. Where is the location where Christ had HIS GLORY with His Father >BEFORE< the world was made.
With God = being with someone
Was God = not with someone
How can you explain Heb. 1:8 ? That God called the Son(Jesus Christ) as God.
First of all, we have to understand what's going on... God is the one addressing the Messiah here. Jehovah's not talking to himself. Secondly, why did God call his Son God? Is he saying his Son's God, too? No, for the Bible tells us that Jehovah's the only true God. Even Jesus said it. God called him that because his Son's throne will be like God's. Since the Kingdom will be handed over to Christ, he also sits on the throne and is like his Father in heaven. Therefore, God was just exalting his Son's position.
Patrick Petty- Hebrews chapter-GOD/JEHOVAH calls JESUS GOD- and you are asking if GOD is calling JESUS GOD-serious ? how blind can you be ?
is there a verses where JESUS is called THE TRUE GOD also? yes there is 1 john 5:20
JESUS was GOD before HE became Human- so your argument that GOD exalted JESUS, is base- because JESUS was GOD-SAME NATURE as GOD before his incarnation.
C 19 Yehovah's not Yeshua, dude.. Yeshua's Yehovah's Messiah. He was sent to teach Yehovah's Torah and to spread Yehovah's name throughout Israel. Many people like you don't know the Father's name because your pagan Greek Bibles removed it. And now, this Trinity god exists...
C 19 1Jn5:20 does nothing of the sort - that is simply lousy exegesis. Jesus already told us who the only true God is - so I know that should listen to him rather than you.
Jesus did not exist before his conception. Scripture is clear on that.
Patrick Petty With respect, that is an incorrect Jesus of Jn8:58. Jesus was clearly created as thus saith the scripture (Heb2:11 - please read in Greek).
It is interesting to note that my JW brothers in Greece say that Trinitarians in Greece NEVER use John 1:1 as a proof text for the Trinity. In Greek, it is very clear what that verse is saying.....
A very good presentation.
Even if I believed in the Trinity I would not agree with the translation of John1:1 as "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The evidence just does not support that translation.
it meant THE WORD is Gods spoken WORD, and from that WORD, GOD made Jesus. God used THE WORD to create things he spoke them out into existent. And the word is God because it comes from God
So Qualitative means descriptive of a quality?
Even while Jesus is in "heaven" he is still called a "MAN" !!
My main concern is do those who believe in the Trinity vs those who do not still become saved through faith in Christ regardless?
I have wondered this as well.
How do we interpret Phillipians 2, if Jesus is not God?
OurHumbleLife What does it mean to take on, or be in the form of a slave?
very true
Precise explanation of John 1:1 and the word was devine or holy. The word was is to be preceded by an adjective. we cannot use God as and adjective.
So the Word was qualitatively like God? But He was pre-existing before being born? So He's obviously not a man. Then what, an angel?
I thought Biblical Unitarians say that Jesus' life was created in the womb of Mary, so from that perspective he's not pre-existing except as some kind of idea that God our Father had.
Plus, if the Word is qualitatively like God, then he is everlasting, right? There is no one everlasting but God, as far as I can tell from the Bible.
Can you explain this?
The man Jesus embodies God's "word" in a poetic sense. Prior to Jesus living as a human, the word of God does not refer to a person.
He died. That establishes he was a man.
Nice explanation.
What about hebrews
Chp 1 vrs 8 ?
Ooooh you beautiful beautiful man I love how you explained this bless you sweet,kind sir
I don't believe in the trinity
Interesting!
Acts 28:6 is the same situation, but all bibles translate 'this' "a god". (Check out in Interlinear)
@biblicalunitarian So just so I get this straight, me being a unitarian as well as you. You don't believe that Jesus was God in the flesh? (Bible says "God was manifest in the flesh") and that when He died he was resurrected as immortal in a glorified body and when he ascended up in to heaven he is not sitting on the throne as the one true living God?
Cody Clemmons
My beliefs are unitarian, yes, just as Jesus' are.
Jesus worships ONE singular God.
John S. (in this video) is not saying that the person of Jesus pre-existed before his birth, but that the Word (logos) existed before the birth of Jesus. Biblical Unitarians believe that the Word did not become a person until the Word became flesh (John 1v14), which refers to the conception of Jesus in Mary's womb.
very complicated, is God so difficult or we are making it difficult?
we are going very exremist, moses said god is one and only, jesus said god is one and only, mohammed said gone is one and only
Good job, may God bless you.
I've a puastion, " can we pray to Jesus?"
emnet weldezghi when Jesus was here on earth the Bible mentions him praying to his father, so why would u pray to a man who's praying to someone higher than him? Jesus himself said the father is greater than I am. The Bible says Jesus is the mediator between man and god so we should pray to the father through Jesus christ.
Hi Emner,
Sorry for the late reply and thanks for your question. We have a video on this topic which you can watch here: ua-cam.com/video/NqP9M670n5c/v-deo.html
yes you Can pray to God the father and his son Jesus Christ because God gave us the spirit of his son because he loved us so much that means it everywhere we go Jesus is with us and can hear our thoughts and can hear our prayers
Hey John, love your manner of explaining things. Love watching your videos. I believe that the father is the only true God. I noticed you mentioned the New English bible’s translation which is fine. Why didn’t you mention the New World Translation of John 1:1 “ the word was a god”? It is well known for this verse. Surely you know this. Anyway, I’d be interested to know why you left it out. Again, love your stuff. Keep up the good work!
The word was a God would imply more than one God and we know as fact that there is only one God.
Hello. Great video. Need help. Where can I get that Bible? Need the exact info, because there are so many 'New English Bible'. I ordered the wrong one..
brilliant
Excellent presentation.
I did a major study on the meaning of the term "Son of God" (see my video "Who are the Sons of God?"), and found that it is synonymous with *a* god - Psa. 82:1 "God (elohim) stands in the congregation of the mighty (elohim); He judges among the gods (elohim)." Not sure what your defn of "Word" is tho. Is the Word the Bible? Is it Jesus? Is it the attributes of God? Please don't tell me its all of those, bcuz that's just a dishonest effort to defend inconsistencies in the Bible.
Jesus himself said God is a Spirit. Jesus himself was seeking God. Why would he have to seek God. In fact he even told his disciples when you pray to the father ask in my name he didn't say ask me he said ask to the father ( GOD ) in my name
I believe John 1:1 should be understood in the context of Hebraic usage of forms of the word we often tranlisterate as EL (meaning mighty, strong, God, a god, etc.). The KJV and all translations I know of recognize the Hebraic usage of EL as meaning mighty, strong, etc. Applying this to John 1:1, we have "the Word was mighty", or "the Word was a mighty one."
Great
there is only God,the Father..Jesus is a man..
mojo garcia, Jesus is the Son of God and never God the Son. At Revelation 3:14 Jesus clearly tells us that he is "the beginning of the creation by God.
At verse 3:12 Jesus tells us four times that he has a God.Check it out!
Fergus Odonnell No. Beginning as in *rank* not birth / origin.
biblicalunitarian Good video. Moffatt John 1:1 states "the Word was divine," confirming that phrase is used as an adjective. Also Hebrews 1:8 Moffatt is good.
Ludwig vonGrein wow. I read that verse multiple times and never picked up on that.
If Jesus is the 'ONLY' begotten Son of God then that means His Father is God. Anyone with any real honesty knows that when a son is born, he is born with the same nature as his father. Since God is an eternal being then his Son is ALSO eternal.
God the Son Himself declared in John 17:5
John 17:5
5 and now, Father, glorify thou me in thy own presence >>with the glory which I had with thee >BEFORE< the world was made.
And the word was (of ) God
( not ) And was God but
( Of ) God .....
This should be the real
John 1:1
Without him NOTHING WAS MADE . that has been made. This doesn't include the word.
Gos is not a man , nor is he SOn of man.
the first part clearly means God is not a man. then he adds to it saying he is not Son of Man...an expression Jesus used often to say he was a man even though his birth was miraculous.
Unitariens are true. The trinity goes no where except made People to etheist
Jesus was "theos,"a god" or "divine", not " ton Theon". Many times the bible applies the term 'God" to those who represent him, like it is in the case of Psalms 82, Exodus 7:1, or Exodus 4:16.
The Sahidic Coptic translation, dated back to the 2nd , 3rd century, actually translated John 1:1 as "a God"
I must say that Jehovah Witnesses have been preaching this for decades, since they started back in the 1800s, but were always ridiculed....
Yep cause our beliefs is based on truth and not on man made traditions such as trinity
Thank you for these videos! I'm not religious but I always appreciate good scholarship and objectivity.
Having researched a lot on this subject recently I've come to the conclusion that it would be absurd to believe John 1:1 means that Jesus was literally himself God,because it would contradict the entire rest of the Bible's description of Jesus' nature as a mediator and SON of God, not to mention contradicting the way Jesus acts and speaks as a subordinate to God.
This was written to a polytheistic culture. That's all it's about. He was trying to get it through to them. Like with any educator you have to draw a comparison, or try to paint things in ways others can understand. Also you had to say things in ways that wouldn't get you killed by the Jews.
Jesus denies being the logos in John 14:24
I believe that in his pre-human existence, the Word was not an angel, that he was a mighty being above the angels. While in the days of his flesh (Heb 5:7), he was a little lower than the angels in his being. (Heb 2:9) Having given his being as a human for our sins (Heb 10:10), God did not raise him in the flesh, but as a spirit being, with a bodily glory greater than he had before. -- Col 2:9;
@biblicalunitarian Please keep spreading the great news that the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob has a SON. "Son of God' and "God the Son" are definitely not equal terms. YHWH created his son before ANYTHING and used his only son to create everything that has ever existed (Colossians 1:15).
YHWH took his OWN word (morals, principles, ethics, etc) and fashioned it into a creature that is his IDENTICAL AND EXACT form, likeness, POWER, and character. Christ even has the authority and power to forgive sins!! Thus, by definition this creature would be defined as a SON. Christ is the ONLY begotten/created of the Father. Everything else was created by the Son!
Although the Father is the architect of EVERYTHING, his son was the CARPENTER/BUILDER who brought everything into existence. The secret of the Bible is that Father God has a SON! God ordained his son to create the world as well as redeem the world.
Christ is the Lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. The 1st commandment strictly teaches that we have no other God besides the Father (YHWH) who brought the Israelite's out of Egypt. There is ONLY 1 God, who is the Father. And that God has a SON. YHWH bless you!
John 1:1-“and the Word was a god" (godlike; divine) The following list of Bibles clearly show Jesus was "a god" or the Word was divine.
1808 “and the word was a god”
The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
1864 “and a god was the Word”
The Emphatic Diaglott (J21, Interlinear reading)’ by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London.
1935 “and the Word was divine”
The Bible-An American Translation, by J.M.P. Smith and E.J. Goodspeed, Chicago.
1950 “and the Word was a god”
New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, Brooklyn.
1975 “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word:*
Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz Gottingen, Germany.
1978 “and godlike sort was the logos”*
Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.
1979 “and a god was the Logos”*
Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Jurgen Becker, Wurzburg, Germany.
* Translated from German.
Wrong, John a monotheistic Jew would not be introducing polytheism.