Is the Cheapest Washer in the USA MORE Reliable Than a Speed Queen?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 18 жов 2022
- We wanted to find out how long the cheapest washer in the USA would last. 3 years later we have our answer- and it is quite surprising.
Try my favorite detergents:
Buy Tide Pods: amzn.to/37j9nar
Buy Ariel Powder: amzn.to/3HZSxtP
Buy Tide Powder: amzn.to/3hTNlwZ
Get THE BEST Appliance Screwdriver: lorainfurniture.com/shop/appl...
Support Me on Patreon: / lorainfurniture
Buy a Tee Shirt: lorainfurniture.com/product-t...
I have a small avocado green whirlpool portable washer that is over 45 years old. I use it every week and it’s still going strong and has never needed any repair.
Well, the green ones were the best.......washers and M&M's.
I wish I could buy a new one just like it today!!!°
@@jbplays7302 same here, or the direct drive version, which was a little newer, but I prefer the belt drive.
I usually do 2 washes a week, at that rate that machine would last for 65 years! Happy to see that basic old style machine still exist! My actual washer is 25 years in, strong as new...
So it sounds like this story has a happy ending.
I see what you did there
That's why it's important to do your research. Don't go by what other experts think they know about washers. It's best to get info from the source. Think for yourself and use your intuition. If you have a great washer and it's doing a great job it's best to keep it. I love Eugene's videos and I admire his knowledge on washing machines. Knowledge is power.
Just goes to show that the most expensive isn't always the best. Folks just need to do some homework when purchasing a new appliance these days as they definitely are not made like they used to be.. I have had a Frigidaire Gallery top load for over 20 years now and so far no problems at all but I only average about 2-3 loads of laundry per week. This guy here knows his stuff! Thanks.
Completely agree with you. About 10-12 years ago I bought a Speed Queen top loader 3.2 cubic foot capacity. Ran it 7 days a week, 3-7 loads a day. Lasted 7 years only. Paid a little over $1250.00 for it. It rusted out completely. Started leaking, etc. Stopped working. The manufacturer's many-year warranty wasn't covering any part of the machine. So that warranty was completely worthless, in my mind. Bought the cheapest GE washer at a big box store for $600 with the cycles and tub size I needed. It lasted 13 months. Ran it 7 days a week, with 3-8 loads a day. Family of six, lots of washing. Currently, I have a Maytag I got for $680, didn't bother buying the extended warranty. Use only HE liquid detergent, Lysol laundry sanitizer in the fabric softener dispenser, use only warm water (never cold) and clean the machine with a washing machine cleaner once a month. I'll be happy if this lasts more than three years. I agree that washers no longer are built to last ten years, much less 20 years. I was toying with the idea of getting a Speed Queen front loader but when I found out they are more than $2,000, I decided I'll just stick to the top loader models. I've always been curious about the Amana and Roper brands. I think I didn't buy one of those last time because it was missing cycles I needed (for example, extra rinse). I guess I'll just stick to the lowest-priced top loaders with an impeller than have the cycles I use most. Nothing lasts forever. Thank you for your video. I learned a lot.
My Amana NTW4516fw4 has extra rinse cycles.
@@joshuamoon9312 I will have to check that out. I'm glad it has the second rinse option. My Maytag died last year, July 2023. There were so many thunderstorms with lots of lightning storms in my area that the motherboard got shorted out. It was out of warranty and I was sick of the impeller. I ended up buying an LG top loader with agitator, (wt6105cw) at Lowe's, on sale, for $550. Had to buy hoses separately from an appliance store,, we brought it home ourselves and installed it ourselves. So far, it's working. The Normal cycle is crap, it washes your clothes with a minimal amount of water and the rinse cycle has even less water and only agitates for almost three minutes and then drains and spins. I just use Deep Wash for lightly soiled clothes or use the Heavy Duty setting with an extra rinse. Only use warm or hot water. My water bill cost is $40 but I'm washing clothes, bedding, towels, etc, for five people in the house. Tub cleaning cycle once a month. I still refuse to get a front loader after my pink mold experience with my 2002 Maytag Neptune (which lasted 12 years), apparently, that machine hated Louisiana water.
This shows that not ALL modern appliances are garbage! Whirlpool really hit the nail on the head with this one, especially being only a $399 machine! It seems these inexpensive Whirlpool machines have less to go wrong than the higher up models (not the Maytag commercial ofc, that is built better than this but a lot more expensive) so they run longer. 5 cycles, A true dual action agitator, Deep water wash system, what else do you really need? Great video Eugene :)
Even the Maytag built upon this platform is better than their original designs. when a original maytag/ admiral breaks, like a frigidaire/electrolux laundry center, you throw it away. I worked on too many that they were not easy to repair either. These new units are from a reliability and technician standpoint better and easier to repair, the only drawback is the suspension rods which all new top loaders have. But this whirlpool design is 2nd to their timer switch direct drive units from the 80s-2000s
We bought our cheapo Amana version of this set at Home Depot in January 2018 and both the washer and dryer have had zero problems. We average 4-5 loads a week and they clean the clothes well.
I have a Whirlpool version of this machine which I purchased when I moved into my townhouse back in November 2019. I do about the same amount of loads as you per week and it's been running fine. I was concerned about it at first but it's been doing well so far.
Wow....that's amazing. Great explanation.
Great video. Sometimes the most basic appliances can be trouble free for awhile. When you mentioned that the agitator bolt came lose it reminded me to check my bolt that holds the impeller in our whirlpool built kenmore that just started to clunk when it washed. I check and the bolt was lose. Tighten it up and so far the clunking sound has gone away. Again thanks for another great video.
We replaced a Whirlpool that was purchased in 2002 this year with a new LG. That old Whirlpool lasted at least 18 years before my husband had to make a repair. It did have the issue with the agitator being stripped that last year. I really really thought long and hard about refurbishment, but it was starting to rust in places that came in contact with clothes. I probably did at least 7 loads a week for those 20 years. 6 person household-including 4 children and pets! I even used cloth diapers at times. I really like my new LG, but I certainly don’t expect I’ll get 20 years out of it.
Nope, you wont if it was manufactured in the last decade or so.
Fascinating, a guy who appreciates a great machine, my Maytags are legendary (last ones made in Newton Iowa) it's crazy but I love them and nobody is allowed to run them unless their briefed heavily.
I just wish I could buy an old Maytag washer that uses a normal amount of water, and actually cleaned my clothes!!!!
I bought an old used Maytag in 2001. I had to replace something on the machine between 2001-2014.
She finally bit the dust in 2014. (this was already a 5yr old maytag washer in 2001). It was a no frills Maytag washer that I would HAPPILY give $1500 for a new one, just like it today!!!
The next washer was a new Maytag top loader with NO AGITATOR. The snake oil salesman convinced me that the fact it had no center agitator would be easier on my clothes and the machine would last longer.
HAHAHAAAA!!!!!!
It was easier on our clothes alright!!! Because it certainly didn't wash them! This was my first HE washer. And it sucked from day one til the 4yrs later, when the bearing spun out, and she started leaking. What a POS!!!
Now I have an IPSO (Speed Queen under another label). Its the only washer that I've seen that will actually wash my clothes close to as well as my old Maytag washer (built prior to the govt limiting how much water a washer can use).
Now, my $2,000 IPSO needs at least one new shock absorber, bc my wife washes blankets in it, like she's mad at it.....
I definitely like hearing about the machines you recommend and your reasoning.
awesome video!!
I am sticking with my 1995 Kitchen Aid direct drive.
My house came with an amana washer like this from 2013. Almost identical to this washer except it had a manual water level switch. It also had a gray tub and a kenmore style flex vane agitator. It was about 5 years old when we moved into our house. It worked fine except it had bad bearings. The matching dryer had heat issues and the timer seemed to be going bad. We got rid of them about a year later and replaced them with the lg 3900 set. I’m glad we got the lg because it’s Lorain Furniture approved! They’re now about 2.5 years old and are still working like they did on day 1.
Good thing I’m hoarding 7 Kenmore Elite direct drive kenmore washers… all 7 are refurbished replaced all gaskets… new neutral transmission kit…replaced every gasket, gear case oil, everything….😊😊… new heavy duty coupling, heavy duty clutch…etc….also new washer tub drive break …on all 7 washers….
Another great washing machine video. After watching your original video post about this same model, it is not surprising this washer survived in a “commercial use” environment. We have had great success with top load washers. Wish we would have bought this model to replace our 2005 GE Profile WPRB8050 top loader when it stopped working in 2020 due to a failed transmission (never a service call or problem with the GE before 2020). In fact, that GE replaced a 1983 Hotpoint WLW1500 washer we bought second hand in 1996. The GE was replaced by a LG WT7305CW top loader which does not operate as well as the GE (IMHO).
"Massage Parlor", wink wink.
I know …lol. I think he meant “spa”
They did lots of loads per week wink wink
Overall I wouldn't say this is more durable than a speed queen but for what you pay for this machine you will definitely not be disappointed. I also think what helps this machine out is the fact that compared to other high end machines it's relatively simple because I guarantee you if this was loaded with a lot more sensors and circuit boards I'd say this thing would have been dead 2 years ago. And it actually cleans the clothes not swirls them around in 3 inches of water so you have that too.
I have this machine in the duplex I'm renting, think it's a 2010? It looks great, works great, clothes are always clean and it's never gone off balance. Thanks for this review!
This is great. Will have to show it to my wife before our very basic 2008 washer and dryer die and she wants to replace with HE units.
wow, I guess I will fix my 20 yr old Maytag and hope it will last another 10 years. Great info, thank you.
I have a similar machine. An Amana brand. It has a couple more cycles and a different agitator design. It's quiet and it works well. Bought used from a local guy who refurbishes and services them. Seeing this video makes me feel pretty good about our machine. Working great so far! We do maybe 3-4 loads of normal clothing a week.
I own a no-frills bottom of the line 22-year-old Kenmore dishwasher that I've used at least once per week and is still washing, rinsing and drying consistently well.
I have connected the washer plug to a on off plug switch====which then plugs into the wall socket. At the end of wash, switch plug switch off. This protects washer electronics when not in use. Minor power surges can kill components on board and in turn vastly shorten the life of the unit.
I agree with your assessment and as for the memory issue, just write on the back with a $.99 sharpie marker. It gives an almost permanent record of dates, prices, services performed, etc. Thanks for your great vids.
Keep on sharing
massage parlour... the Cleveland ones have quite a reputation
Comment of the day. Bahahahahaha.
Had the roper version. Loved it.
I have one of these essentially identical. 20+ years now and several loads a week. Had one breakdown in warranty and it was fixed free, Another glitch several years later I was able to remedy using the crazy diagnostics built in. There was a tech sheet taped inside and also on line.
The trick I learned is to wash everything on "bulky bedding". On that setting the spin starts super slow and stays slow for a while before speeding up - and that's a good thing because it saves the washer from what I call the unbalance death spiral where the suspension rods and main axil wear out causing it to wear out faster. The worst thing you can do is wash towels on "white" - it goes into fast spin aggressively when the towels are still way too heavy with water - and it will wear your machine out fast. I suspect this one was always run on "bulky bedding".
I will never be convinced it is more reliable than a Speed Queen. It might actually be less expensive to own in the long run though, since you can buy several of them for the cost of a single Speed Queen. So when it breaks, you can just get another brand new one and be done with it. You would feel obligated to have a Speed Queen repaired, which, on top of the high cost at buy-in, can add up fast.
Bingo!-this dude must be smoking something .We had this washer and it didn't last us three years , We'd NEVER buy another whirlpool or Maytag! cheap junk that won't last.
You could get 3 of this machine for the price of 1 Speed Queen.
So if this last 5 years, it means that you could get 15 years worth of life out of 3 machines for the price of 1 Speed Queen.
@@nntflow7058 That is a somewhat accurate statement, but It's not quite that simple. Inflation, model changes, etc etc will have an effect on costs over 15 years.
I had an Estate washer that was still working after 30 years. Just a cheap low end washer. About 1 to 3 loads a week. It made noise and had rust all around the lid area, but it still cleaned and ran the same. Never needed even one repair. I recently replaced it with a Maytag commercial just because.
I have an Estate ETW4400WQ0 from 2009 still working perfectly in 2023. It gets normal usage 1 to 2 times a week. Never have a problem with it. Never needed a repair.
I have a dozen dogs and do more than one load a day. I did have the washer rebuilt a few years ago after going out and shopping.
I want one. Thanks! 👍
The conservator has whirlpools TOL dual action agitator aka the same one as the catalyst takes… and whirlpools standard dual action has the auger that has the wavy fins that do not go shorter and shorter and also doesn’t have the bumps on the bottom of the spiral.
when you posted the first review on this washer I left a comment saying how i’ve bought three of these for my rental units and have been totally happy with them! Well now it’s been 7 years since I bought those and i’ve still yet to have a problem reported. These are really decent machines. Again like I said before, all my tenants are elderly so I can’t imagine their clothes get that dirty or they wait till they have massive piles of laundry to do and really stuff the machines. So for light duty day to day basic laundry I really recommend these machines. Same goes for the dryers they’re gas and haven’t had an issue. I actually had a cheepoooo electric Amana dryer at home next to my speed queen for almost 10 years now and I LOVE it, dries fast as hell and gets HOT when you want it to and gentle heat when you need that. I did have to replace the rollers on it two years ago, they were making a lot of noise and wore out…for a whopping $20.
TL;DR if you need a basic machine and you’re not rough on you’re appliances, can’t go wrong with these.
Try telling that to that arrogantly flamboyant D G dude in the comments. Eugene mentioned that there would probably be some Speed Queen fanboys offended by this video, and D G just proved him right and apparently doesn't realize it or flat out refuses to realize it.
@@Enigmaculate Yeah he’s a SQ fanboy alright. He thinks I’m lying about my SQ TR7 Having to be junked, and the second one also dying slowly. (TC5)
@@DylBuilder1 oh no! Wasn't the SQ Tc 5 series the machine that Eugene was testing against the Maytag commercial a couple years back? Didnt he recommend the SQ tc5 too?
@@rosettebattista6121 The SQ TC5 Is a good machine and it just had a small hiccup probably from delivery. It was just a small adjustment to the switch and it works fine again.
The Maytag Commercial now has a water level selector and is better than the TC5 because of that alone, so you don't have to use 2/3rds of a tub worth of water for tiny loads, and also has a better Whirlpool Dual action agitator. Both are great machines, but the Maytag takes the upper hand. The Maytag most likely will be my next washer.
@@DylBuilder1 I heard that the Maytag has come out with the newer machine with water level adjustment. But have they done anything to get straight hot water? I like the way the agitation works over the SQ, but really need hot water not lukewarm!Any improvements on that?
"one of the nicer massage parlors in Cincinnati!!!" Thanks for the laugh, don't think you realized the humor at that moment!
Thank you for a very “real “ informative video. I have an old kenmore large capacity top loader with agitator and it’s all metal. A tank! It’s about 25 years old and still going strong. Had a few minor repairs and the repair guys all say to keep fixing it because today’s washing machines are garbage.
Thank you 👍. Agree …
What model number is this and would you still recommend this product
Where can I purchase one or one that works the same?
Great videos
I have a 2 year old Conservator...the water fill selctor seems to have stopped working. Even if I select Deep Water Wash, it still "sense fills" and doesn't fill the basin all the way. Any ideas?
The one key issue that wears out and kiils Vertical moduler washers ,, when the tub seal wears out and leaks detergent and water down through the non servicable transmissions bearings , this water will often damage the shifter unit as well,, causing the sensor in the shifter to stop reading the spin speed,, we found that running a cleaning cycle with Washing machine cleaner on a once every 30-40 loads schedule , helps keep detergent and dirt from building up in the bottom of the drum that muck in the bottom of the tub ruins the bottom tub seal with time, this also helps keep corosion from this residue down. , keep an eye on the the tub seal and replace it at the slightest sign of even a tiny leak ,, The suspension Rods are the second wear point issue. we have a whirlpool VMW that has done 4 loads a day of towels for the past 8 years , with no problems .
My Amana Washer just quit after 10 years of residential use, never maintained, cleaned or repaired, somewhat abused id say. Considering probably around $400 or less when purchased it did its job great. Wondering if the energy regulations have ruined these newer models since then. Always fun shopping for appliances
I stayed in an AirBNB for work and they had a efficiency washer. I had to ask my workmate why the washing machine was not filling with water. Machines that only get the clothes wet and not submerged are new to me. Any opinion on them or what the water savings really are worth it?
Thank You. Im going with speed queen
I learned years ago when my first computer like electronic push button control panel appliances came into use a power surge kill my expensive machine. Since then I always made sure I have a surge protection devise for protection from electrical surges.
Thanks for the video, so what I take from the video is to make sure your machine is inspected and serviced yearly and should run for a long time.
Just bought the Amana version of this machine. In auto sensing ther is a loud banging when filling like the water turning on and off. Is that normal?
My front load GE Profile lasted 20 years! With over 10 loads a week.
My Staber is now 25 years old and still working. I have a parts machine so I hope I can keep it running for a long time.
Great Video! I doubt any vintage machine would have done this well. Just curious....what was the dryer they were using?
The match to the washer, VED6506**
@@LorainFurnitureandAppliance I asked your advice on fixing my Maytag LA612 toploader a while back. I'd just like you to know I regreased the damper pads with polylube and slightly loosened the springs and it runs like a top. Thanks for your advice.
I have the Whirlpool WTW4616FW. So far so good since May 2022.
I had a Maytag A106a that lasted my wife and I for about 27 years then the brake setup spung apart. I am looking for a refurbish Maytag similar model. I like the older model because they are built to last.
Why Not Change the belt???my calypso washer and dryer are 20 years old still in use 3 loads a week
I have a 1985 maytag LA712 washer with matching dryer. I paid 100.00 for them 12 years ago. No problems in the 12 years. I would say I got my 100.00 out of them. I hope they continue to run. I will have them repaired as long as I can.
Kool
I got the Kenmore 20232 version of this for my dad in 2018, and it just broke down. I bought it from Sears, and it was $425 new water hoses, delivery, install, and taxes included. I’m not sure what happened with it, but I just bought something else. I live too far from my dad to coordinate repair, and my aunt was saying she thought the control board was bad. Oh well! $425 for 5 years 😂
The things that you repaired or adjusted are all normal. Normal maintenance pr a washer. you're correct. This is a great washer have the same model including the driver
🤣 PLEASE! I was a licensed massage therapist for years......Using the term "massage parlor" is NOT a legit therapeutic massage business. I knew what you meant, but that's not what you should have said......I also have this little washer and am happy to see all the great reviews!
Sounds good, which compared to larger more expensive bells&whistles
that I don’t need or want.
Those models still sell for 399 scratch n dent. You can get a brand new one with the stainless steel basin for 499. They haven't gone up all that much.
The gearcase are the big problems of these machines. If at least W-P could sale them at a decent price. In Canada the price of the gearcase is almost 60% of the price of the machine itself. Which make it economically non fixable.
The rest are not that bad to fix. But I got to tell you there are less garbage then I thought. You have really good points.
Also speedqueen are not that good. Repairman like to think they are like the old 2 straps washer maytag which they are not. But I think they are worth to fix compare to any new wp product. Because the price compare to the repair make sense.
For 2 months I have been researching washing machines. Your video is convincing me to get this machine. My question is do I buy a new Conservator or a new Amana? Thank you!
Either way, they will be almost identical machines. Conservator might be a little harder to find as it is a Mom&Pop Shop brand only.
I wonder how much longer the Commercial Maytag would last in comparison?
I have the Whirpool version of this washer. Same washer just more cycles and load options. I bought in the fall of 2023. Overall it's a good washer. It has trouble sometimes with bulky loads. That can be solved by using the "bulky/sheets" cycle. It makes various noises I find concerning and can sometimes vibrate a LOT. So I fear this machine will vibrate itself to death. I paid $448 for it Lowes. It did annoy me that Lowes made me buy metal connections hoses for $30. They refused to install it if I didn't buy them. (Whirlpool does not ship hoses with this washer)
is this now called crosley?
Do you know how many loads you can do in a lg non agitator top load washer before it breaks?
I know 2 families of 5 who’s LG top loaders are over 12 years old and both running near perfect. Both have had pumps replaced or service due to pockets not being emptied. They are used at least 5 times a week minimum I would guess and probably averages 7-10 loads.
@@DylBuilder1 I think the 2 families LG would have done over 4000 loads minimum and are still going perfectly. I find the motors are strong but the suspension and pumps would be the parts to play up first. Then electrics. I find in my country LGs are fairly reliable.
@@simpsonauto850 Thanks for sharing your experience.
Gee thanks. Now I'm wondering why I bought the SQ TR7.
But the things you have to remember is even the good old stuff had to have repairs now and then. My parents had an avocado green Kenmore from the late '70s and during my lifetime they had to repair it twice before it needed to be replaced. It's possible it even had to be replaced before I was born. They replaced it around the 20-year mark with a Whirlpool direct drive. By the time they got rid of the house It was in It had to be repaired twice in a span of 13 years. The same goes for the late '70s avocado green GE fridge they had which had to be repaired at least once for my recollection before it croaked in O2. I agree that the new stuff isn't as durable and doesn't last as long, but the old stuff wasn't all guaranteed to last forever. You could still get a dud with the old stuff. And I've seen some of the newer things last very well even from brands that Don't have a bulletproof reputation. There's a degree of luck in all of it.
I have had my GE washer for 27 yrs and only had a repair man twice.
If its a new washer i doubt it. My Kenmore 1992 model is still running.
Maybe this was luck. A friend had one that looked like a clone of this one and it did not last long. I think it had a problem with electronic parts - not mechanical issues, but it wasn't worth having a repair person come out to fix it.
You should do a full cycle.
coming soon
@@LorainFurnitureandAppliance I would love to see that as well! Love your Channel!
Keeping tabs on loads 😂
so 4000 washes it had to be rebuilt. But I wonder how many washes it did where it was not really working very good.
one of the nice massage parlours
im sure its had many 'loads' go through it lol
I’ve never had a ge washing machine last less than 10 years.
I have one 15 years old zero issues
What washer is it?
Watch the video?
I’ve had one for ten years now and not a single thing has broken.
Not my experience. This machine did not last 14 months. The matching dryer is wonderful. I’ve been using the dryer daily since march of 2017.
No I doubt it speed queens have huge motor to last I think we're are 17 year ore more only replaced dials
THE ONLY THING I DO AGREE WITH. IS........... OUT OF ALL THE NEW TOP LOADERS THIS IS THE BEST. BUT THIERS SO MANY VARIABLES. LIKE IT HAS TO FILL ALL THE WAY UP AND THE MAIN SEAL NEEDS TO BE GREASED WITH RED STICKY GREASE. BUT ITS THE BEST NEW WASHER. BUT NO WASHER ON THE PLANET IS BETTER THAN A 80 SERIES STYLE WASHER
What is the make and model number please? Thank you!
that's a Conservator VAW3584GW
But It's really really hard to find that model. You can easily order/find the whirlpool or Amana versions which re built identically.
Whirlpool: WTW4816FW
Amana: NTW4516FW
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer and supply all of the information. This will be a big help to me in the near future.@@DylBuilder1
@@birdkitty6817 Anytime! Glad I could help :D
I have this machine in my apartment. If the water level ever worked correctly. It would be a good machine. Auto sensing never worked from day one. Who wants to wash 3 pairs of jeans in 2 gallons of water. And 5 pairs of white socks in 10 gallons of water. 😮
Whirlpool Design 2000. It was desinged by a repairman instead of an engineer. The original idea was it had 30% fewerr parts would cut repairs by 30%. It cut repairs 90%. Why change design ?, could it be fewer rapairs = fewer sales ?
I loved it till I realized it doesn't let you choose low, med or high water levels. Good review, though, thank you!
THEN THE MAIN SEAL SITS IN WATER. AND THEY DON'T GREASE IT AT ALL. I GET THESE WITH A BURNNED OUT LEAKING MAIN SEAL AFTER 1 YEAR
Name of the washer is a mistery.
Not that cheap one the more cheaper when is the estate super capacity washer
Honestly, the biggest killer of longevity in these machines is govt regulations.
IF THAT WAS A SPEED QUEEN HOSS ID JUST BE BROKEN IN! GOBBLESS!
LET SKLARZ DO IT !
Okay. Give them a Speed Queen
I did, it was a front loader and it broke in 2 years
Speed Queen TC5 has original design that truly will last 20 years. They haven’t changed their classic design. They may need parts replaced over time, but they should go 15-20 years before failure if they are used one a day for that exact time.
You are right about the parts replace thing. Mine is 2 months old and needs a new lid switch already...
Mines 8 years old
Speedqueens are too much like an original maytag/admiral/frugidaire/electrolux design, very difficult to repair, so once a sq breaks replace it with 1 of these in the video or get a whirlpool timer switch direct drive washer
This boat anchor has the exact same guts as my Maytag Centennial MCT...which has been a total hunk of garbage since day one. Plastic and pot metal Chinesium parts eat themselves. I will NEVER buy another big box store washer. Speed Queen all the way.