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  • What If The Pressures Of The Great Depression Had Led The United States To Follow A More Radical Path Toward Fascism Under The American Silver Legion, And William Dudley Pelley?
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  • @MonsieurDean
    @MonsieurDean  4 роки тому +260

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    • @lawrenceblade4437
      @lawrenceblade4437 4 роки тому +3

      Monsieur Z this is without a shadow of a doubt one,if not,The Best video you have ever made!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏!!!!!!!!

    • @thomaswatson1739
      @thomaswatson1739 4 роки тому +2

      Can Eugene Talmadge pls get in one of the Great Depression????

    • @thomaswatson1739
      @thomaswatson1739 4 роки тому +2

      Eugene Talmadge as President pls. He should have replaced the slain Long.

    • @fuckfannyfiddlefart
      @fuckfannyfiddlefart 4 роки тому +1

      This is a pro fascist instruction manual.

    • @obamaslastkidneystone7084
      @obamaslastkidneystone7084 4 роки тому +2

      Part 2?

  • @enriqueenriqueziii5564
    @enriqueenriqueziii5564 4 роки тому +726

    America: *Becomes Fascist*
    Mussolini: *I raised that country*

    • @willblack7353
      @willblack7353 3 роки тому +58

      FDR did say some good things about Mussolini, and how he ran Italy, so...

    • @IDKGaming7190
      @IDKGaming7190 2 роки тому +12

      @@willblack7353 he did i didn't know that.

    • @sergpie
      @sergpie 2 роки тому +18

      @Reza
      My grandparents helped build and settle Sabaudia; one of the many planned cities built under his administration. For working land and contributing to the workforce of the new city, my grandparents were given free healthcare, vouchers towards a car, education, activities and sports for the kids to keep them off the streets until supper time. Though the extent they went to repress certain populations was excessive, and their international doings were ultimately ill-fated, the fascist regime was certainly safeguarding Italians and their labor, their wealth, health, and growth more than the past dozen or so recent governments.

    • @tylerhodges11
      @tylerhodges11 11 місяців тому +5

      He wasn't antisemitic I will say that about Mussolini

    • @PhantomEagle..
      @PhantomEagle.. 11 місяців тому +9

      ​@@tylerhodges11I absolutely hate it when people say Mussolini was anti-Semitic, I looked up Mussolini's ideas and read his book The Doctrine of Fascism, there was nothing anti-Semitic about him at all

  • @finnklapproth6023
    @finnklapproth6023 4 роки тому +1739

    this video could also be called: "what if Hoi4 historical mode was deactivated"

    • @Wintersoap123
      @Wintersoap123 4 роки тому +112

      I’ve had a game where the British went commie and decolonized, Germany went democratic, France went Nazi, Russia had a civil war, and Japan became a shogunate.

    • @wommyu
      @wommyu 4 роки тому +19

      @The Nova renaissance i had a game where japan gone communist and china too
      and then russia revolution happend and it all became messs

    • @ShubaSayori
      @ShubaSayori 4 роки тому +51

      I had a game where democratic US joined the axis because fascist Mexico attacked the us and joined the allies

    • @Moechtegernpilot1
      @Moechtegernpilot1 4 роки тому +4

      Us is missing a fascist and communist tree

    • @Maulstrum97
      @Maulstrum97 4 роки тому +12

      @@Moechtegernpilot1 pretty sure you can make the free American empire

  • @erril13ify
    @erril13ify 3 роки тому +359

    As much as I find this scenario fascinating, the idea of Britain attacking America in what could only be described as a temper tantrum sounds completely bonkers. Churchill knew the powerhouse the U.S. was and, if it went fascist, he would do what he could to keep the U.S. OUT of the war, not wake the sleeping giant.

    • @_Its_Ya_Boy
      @_Its_Ya_Boy Рік тому +8

      It’s called making a video interesting

    • @twistedyogert
      @twistedyogert Рік тому

      It would probably fail and then the UK would be conquered by Germany with help from the US.

    • @Cool-123
      @Cool-123 Рік тому +5

      To be fair, have you seen most American wars? Alternatively a lot of wars throughout history.

    • @TimesFM4532
      @TimesFM4532 Рік тому +2

      Tbf you could imagine the UK working with domestic forces to either distract fascists UK or overthrow it

    • @fabulouschild2005
      @fabulouschild2005 Рік тому

      Britain would never attack the US anyway

  • @Jok395
    @Jok395 4 роки тому +314

    I heavily, HEAVILY doubt the want of Britian to invade the sleeping giant. Makes very little sense to start a war when already fighting Germany.

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  4 роки тому +95

      It does if US resource support to Germany already ensures their victory.

    • @etho7351
      @etho7351 4 роки тому +14

      The US navy was quickly out classing Britains and kt wasn't sure what they would do

    • @Jok395
      @Jok395 4 роки тому +40

      @@MonsieurDean True, I agree there. But I just don't think even Churchill would be so war hungry that he would attack America. I think Germany would win still, just without Britain getting destroyed on two fronts.

    • @redhunter8731
      @redhunter8731 4 роки тому +10

      I also doubt that they would have launched a strike at the USA since our navy was on par with theirs. But I also doubt that England falls easily to an invasion either.

    • @pyrs9544
      @pyrs9544 4 роки тому +7

      @@redhunter8731 Wouldve made sense for the Americans to nuke Manchester or London in this timeline as I imagine an invasion of the British Isles would be hell and I doubt just like real life America would want to put resources towards it

  • @coleholmes5379
    @coleholmes5379 4 роки тому +295

    “Long would meet the same fate as strasser”
    NOOOOO!!!

    • @Coolcleverstone
      @Coolcleverstone 4 роки тому +31

      What a childish fantasy! President Long lives a long life!

    • @sambeck2510
      @sambeck2510 4 роки тому +48

      apology for poor english
      when were you when huey long dies?
      i was sat at home eating bratwurst when phone ring
      ‘kingfish is kill’
      ‘no’

    • @gordonfreeman8109
      @gordonfreeman8109 4 роки тому +5

      AAAAAAA FUCCCCCKKKK WWWHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
      😰😰😰😰😰😰😭😭😭😭😭🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡

    • @bolshebrick7948
      @bolshebrick7948 3 роки тому +14

      Press F To Pay Respects

    • @Vagus32000
      @Vagus32000 3 роки тому

      I don’t see any alt history where Long lives past his death in the real world. It was his own actions that brought it about and it avoid it would mean changing his tyrannical character.

  • @solomongrundy1618
    @solomongrundy1618 4 роки тому +579

    America: (goes facist)
    France britain and russia: Why do I hear boss music

    • @Slendermən
      @Slendermən 4 роки тому +14

      America is barley stronger than Russia alone.

    • @solomongrundy1618
      @solomongrundy1618 4 роки тому +14

      @@Slendermən especially back then

    • @Slendermən
      @Slendermən 4 роки тому +85

      @@jonathanryan9946 Yep. The Germans did do alot on their own. With Americans on their side the axis would 100% win.

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 4 роки тому +8

      @@jonathanryan9946 Racist?

    • @lennycam1775
      @lennycam1775 4 роки тому +1

      @@jonathanryan9946 nope the beitish navy back then was steonger then americas and ur jsut plain simple wrong

  • @sorcererberoll4641
    @sorcererberoll4641 4 роки тому +627

    Just started watching and I’m guessing it involves king fish

    • @ahopefor
      @ahopefor 4 роки тому +15

      How could you know, you are truly godly in nature.

    • @sorcererberoll4641
      @sorcererberoll4641 4 роки тому +2

      A Hope For The Last he just fascist to me

    • @sangeetanarendrasingh5416
      @sangeetanarendrasingh5416 4 роки тому +19

      Lemme guess, kaiserreich?

    • @humppi.2304
      @humppi.2304 4 роки тому +18

      @@sorcererberoll4641 t h e k i n g f i s h i s n o t a f i l t h y p o p u l i s t
      Edit: National populist i mean

    • @sorcererberoll4641
      @sorcererberoll4641 4 роки тому +2

      Sangeeta Narendra Singh he’s in kiaserriech

  • @s.r.7602
    @s.r.7602 4 роки тому +217

    This video was sponsored by Man in the High Castle

    • @Deleted1
      @Deleted1 4 роки тому +5

      More like a Man in the high castle (Germany and Japan) 1984 (usa Canada and Britain) cross over

    • @fristnamelastname5549
      @fristnamelastname5549 4 роки тому +9

      This comment was sponsored by Grass hopper lie heavy.

    • @unatco1148
      @unatco1148 4 роки тому +1

      @John Barber
      Everybody is awful these days

  • @jakobj58
    @jakobj58 4 роки тому +959

    Leftists: "What do you mean alternative?"

    • @Henrique-yb6ch
      @Henrique-yb6ch 4 роки тому +150

      Implying America wasn't already facistic in Jim Crow's era,Ronald Reagan, and still has facist elements today.

    • @gareginnzhdehhimself
      @gareginnzhdehhimself 4 роки тому +85

      Trump is a fascist

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 4 роки тому +263

      @@gareginnzhdehhimself I wish.

    • @gareginnzhdehhimself
      @gareginnzhdehhimself 4 роки тому +36

      @@alpacalover0 Oh my. Thomas Jefferson is ashamed.

    • @jamwither9847
      @jamwither9847 4 роки тому +82

      Daniel Sobol in your dreams

  • @Henners1991
    @Henners1991 4 роки тому +62

    Britain bombing the continental US is ludicrous. It'd be suicidal while locked in a war with Germany.
    Smaller-scale sinking of American merchant shipping that entered no-go "red zones" (and could thus be said to have been engaged in trade with Germany) would've been much more believable.

  • @brandonbonett6416
    @brandonbonett6416 4 роки тому +31

    Monsieur Z: Makes video of America going Fascist. (ft: Silver shirts, Long, and Communists)
    McArthur: you've choosen wrong...

  • @Kelvin-ql9ed
    @Kelvin-ql9ed 4 роки тому +573

    *Every Man A King!*

    • @redline841
      @redline841 4 роки тому +92

      *Every Woman A THOT*

    • @stevencooper4422
      @stevencooper4422 4 роки тому +19

      @@redline841 ah a true rally cry

    • @TobeornottooB
      @TobeornottooB 4 роки тому +20

      @Anti Mapping Define "liberty."

    • @Kelvin-ql9ed
      @Kelvin-ql9ed 4 роки тому +42

      @Anti Mapping A socialist restoring 'justice' and 'liberty' lmao

    • @TobeornottooB
      @TobeornottooB 4 роки тому +10

      @Shane Gallagher freedom from "arbitrary" control.
      Define arbitrary.
      The sum of rights possessed in common.
      That means rights are not inherent but are assigned "civil liberties" according to rank or credit score.
      A particular right, "franchise."
      Unnecessary or excessive freedom or familiarity.
      The limits within which a certain amount of freedom may be exercised.
      LEAVE GIVEN TO A SAILOR to go to shore for 48 hours or less, do you enjoy your weekend off?
      Permitted or allowed, not busy.
      Liberty is NOT FREEDOM.
      When people say "give me liberty or give me death" - what are they really asking for?

  • @user-kt8yp5ho2y
    @user-kt8yp5ho2y 4 роки тому +103

    I love today’s video so much! And please make a video about what if the Korean Empire survives, What if Truman accepts MacArthur’s plan to nuke Manchuria, What if the USA won the Vietnam War, and What if Manchukuo survives?

    • @0g0mogosepikworld31
      @0g0mogosepikworld31 4 роки тому +1

      Alternative history made a video about nuclear attack

    • @sweetdaddy9275
      @sweetdaddy9275 4 роки тому

      @@RobespierreThePoof what?

    • @redhunter8731
      @redhunter8731 4 роки тому

      We would have had a limited nuclear war. I say limited because at the time enough nukes didn't exist to totally wreck the world. Nor did they fit on missiles. My guess is large parts of Europe and maybe a few American cities would be wrecked before peace broke out. This would lead to nukes being disbanded for good. Because the world would know their danger on a level currently unknown.

    • @IRex-wm9pd
      @IRex-wm9pd 4 роки тому

      The US could never have won the vietnam war. the viet kong were willing to stay in the jungle for generations fighting if need be. they already did it to the french before them.

    • @keterpatrol7527
      @keterpatrol7527 Рік тому +1

      @@IRex-wm9pd agreed, the only way the US wouldve won was full mobilization instantly or nuclear war, which would likely get china or the USSR involved.

  • @stuartyoung4182
    @stuartyoung4182 4 роки тому +30

    Whoa! A surprising series of twists and turns - and yet the scenario seems plausible! Well done!
    The Kingfish as a martyr - ironic, for it was he who is supposed to have said that America probably would have Fascism some day - and that “when we get it we won’t call it Fascism-we’ll call it anti-Fascism.”

    • @bearthenomad1770
      @bearthenomad1770 2 роки тому +8

      no, he didnt say this. The exact same quote is attributed to Churchill in the UK

  • @RightCenterBack321
    @RightCenterBack321 Рік тому +8

    Honestly, this is probably one of the best videos you've made. So much food for thought.

  • @shadowplanthead372
    @shadowplanthead372 4 роки тому +18

    Just bought your book in paperback! Can’t wait to read it! I hope it helps towards your channel because of your lack of monetisation. Hope someday you will be able to be!
    Love from one of your buddies in the EU

  • @eddietuite732
    @eddietuite732 4 роки тому +207

    Can people just stop saying first on comment sections

  • @GarrettFruge
    @GarrettFruge 4 роки тому +19

    Fantastic video! It looks like we potentially have the makings of an interesting alt history novel!

  • @thesuperjudgerlordofcritic9807
    @thesuperjudgerlordofcritic9807 4 роки тому +91

    What if Italy didn't switch sides in WW1?

    • @vaatifromthejuicecrew9352
      @vaatifromthejuicecrew9352 4 роки тому +19

      Italy had a Defensive Pact with Germany and Austria-Hungary, they are the one who declared war on Serbia so nothing obligated Italy to join any side, they just took the one who would win

    • @etho7351
      @etho7351 4 роки тому +13

      @Anti Mapping such cowards they built Rome. What cowards they must have been to build a 2000 year old empire founded on war and expansion.

    • @etho7351
      @etho7351 4 роки тому +7

      @Anti Mapping Greek immigrants almost never brought women. Every generation would be more Italian as a result. Etruscan heritage was very prevalent in Rome.

    • @luigibellini811
      @luigibellini811 4 роки тому +2

      @Anti Mapping Hahaha, when a person no longer has valid arguments to support his thesis he takes refuge in useless and direct answers

    • @bldyvalentine5001
      @bldyvalentine5001 4 роки тому

      Nothing would happen...

  • @kevinhixson1586
    @kevinhixson1586 4 роки тому +131

    What if England stayed roman
    What if the song dynasty industrialized
    What if julian the apostate defeated the parthians

    • @davilimalol4612
      @davilimalol4612 4 роки тому +3

      The second seems interesting.

    • @dsaikon
      @dsaikon 4 роки тому

      @Anti Mapping Latin, not Roman. The Roman empire doesnt exist anymore 😂

    • @flamixflame2685
      @flamixflame2685 4 роки тому +10

      @Anti Mapping not really
      English people are more German than Roman

    • @steezburger609
      @steezburger609 4 роки тому +4

      @@davilimalol4612 the second is definitely a crazy thimg to think about

    • @Pine_of_England
      @Pine_of_England 4 роки тому +9

      England was never Roman. The Welsh are the remnants of the Roman Britons, but the English are German settlers.

  • @militaristicsoldier856
    @militaristicsoldier856 4 роки тому +72

    Here before this gets removed

    • @katla3393
      @katla3393 4 роки тому +4

      We say this about all his videos on fascism

    • @Nachteule96
      @Nachteule96 4 роки тому +2

      brb guys

    • @militaristicsoldier856
      @militaristicsoldier856 4 роки тому +4

      EMS 76 who hurt you sweety

    • @bombshellie8549
      @bombshellie8549 4 роки тому +3

      Well, his recent video on Fascism weren’t removed.
      And that didn’t portray Fascism in an entirely bad way so.
      I say he’s safe but eh.

    • @Nachteule96
      @Nachteule96 4 роки тому +1

      im back

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican 4 роки тому +105

    What if Trotsky ruled Mexico

    • @fireshockgamer6734
      @fireshockgamer6734 4 роки тому +4

      What if Texas gave up the cannon during the Texan revolution.

    • @Bluesonofman
      @Bluesonofman 4 роки тому +17

      (US inavdes to kill Trotsky)

    • @Bluesonofman
      @Bluesonofman 4 роки тому

      Digital Rain This 1930-40 we are talking about Ice pick.

    • @fuckfannyfiddlefart
      @fuckfannyfiddlefart 4 роки тому

      @@Bluesonofman
      wouldn't that be immoral to invade Mexico (again)?
      Shouldn't counties be free to self determination?
      Should America be invaded if others don't like the economic policies?
      Doesn't invading counties at will make them want to kill Americans and this foreign policy cause 9/11?

    • @brandonproductions8401
      @brandonproductions8401 4 роки тому

      Senor Trotsky

  • @sgauden02
    @sgauden02 4 роки тому +26

    Are you sure that Britain would launch a massive attack on America like that? I find it hard to believe that they'd be that stupid to do so in the middle of the war with Germany in control of Europe. The British would have to know that America would likely just join the war against them, and just make the situation worse.

    • @hobomike6935
      @hobomike6935 Рік тому

      The plan was to re-obtain their lost 13 colonies (now 48 colonies) which will provide them with an atlantic supply line to assist in the fight against Germany and Italy

    • @josephpasquarella2123
      @josephpasquarella2123 Рік тому

      Sounds like some other country I know, island nation is Asia, starts with a J, you know

  • @andrewlove3686
    @andrewlove3686 4 роки тому +251

    What if the 1965 immigration act was never passed?

    • @katrinajarrett4251
      @katrinajarrett4251 4 роки тому +151

      I would be happy

    • @taylorshipman1045
      @taylorshipman1045 3 роки тому +79

      Put that in the top 5 best timelines playlist

    • @nickstaley96
      @nickstaley96 3 роки тому +100

      There'd be no need to make America great again. We'd already be great.

    • @thatoneguy5550
      @thatoneguy5550 3 роки тому +83

      US black and white communities would do 100x better. Wages would grow similarly as years before. Companies forced to pay higher wages and better benefits as supply of workers decreases.

    • @arnoldstallonereeves7469
      @arnoldstallonereeves7469 3 роки тому +55

      There would be less Asians and Latinos in U.S blacks.
      White Americans would stay 80%. Latinos. Asians and Other Races would only stay to 1% to 5% and blacks would only stay up to 9% to 15%.
      Most of Asians in U.S were the Chinese who settled and lives China towns and Filipinos whom most came during American occupation of the Philippines. Most of Filipinos are living in California, New Jersey, New York, Guam and Hawaii. Japanese are mostly living in Western part of US.
      Most Latinos where those who remained after Mexican American War they mostly lived in former part of Mexican Empire.
      Natives will still the same they will still low as today with only 1 to 3% in short nothing will change.
      Cities like L.A. New York. and San Francisco would be so different since those cities are So diverse.
      U.S. will be alot more White just like in 60s.
      Positive Effects
      U.S would be less divided by race and politics if the immigration act of 1965 wasn't put in effect. since racial diversity is always creating racial tensions.
      Negative Effects
      Average age of American will be alot older since white american fertility rate was in decline due to first world lifestyle and even African American fertility was also not that stong and Blacks who are becoming rich or adopting First world white lifestyle is increasing.
      Also In entertainment Movies, Shows, TV series, and Music Industry will be 20% different. Anime will still become mainstream in U.S,
      Music Industry is not that much different there is still Rock, Pop, and Rap etc since it was so dominated by Whites and Blacks.

  • @williamjol5205
    @williamjol5205 4 роки тому +45

    Please make more videos explaining the I Am Uncle Sam universe. Here are some video ideas.
    New Amerika Lore: Superior
    New Amerika Lore: Great Louisiana
    New Amerika Lore: Dixieland
    New Amerika Lore: Ford
    New Amerika Lore: Metro
    New Amerika Lore: New England
    I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Canada
    I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Mexico and Central America
    I Am Uncle Sam Lore: South America
    I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Europe
    I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Asia
    I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Australia
    I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Africa
    And please do more collabs with other alternate history youtubers.
    *cough* *cough* Cody from Alternate History Hub *cough* *cough*. Maybe do some with the Alternate Historian and Whatifalthist. They can appear in your videos and maybe you can go in their's.
    A sequel to the book would be cool. I haven't read it but I saw the sample and from the looks of it it looks pretty cool. I'm asking for it for Christmas though.
    Please make an alternate history scenario about the lore of the US of Z, US of Z Legion, and the US of Z Commonwealth. Maybe add some other lore in there too referring to some other alternate history youtubers. Like DA Group Education's Silver Legion America, Pax Historia, Emperor Tigerstar and Cody's own "Axis" powers.
    And finally please show some more of your custom flag designs. I saw some of your custom flags for some US states in the community tab and I thought that they looked awesome so I would love to see more of that type of stuff.
    Thank you for looking this over and I hope that you appreciate my suggestions. And by the way thanks for making a video with a North American Union in it I have been asking for it for quite a while.

    • @April_a26
      @April_a26 4 роки тому

      @Digital Rain Cody doesn't like Z. In my opinion, a good thing, but I really don't like z either

    • @ikes9853
      @ikes9853 4 роки тому

      @@April_a26 what flag is that on your icon?

    • @April_a26
      @April_a26 4 роки тому +1

      @@ikes9853 old imperial russian flag

    • @zacharygold2879
      @zacharygold2879 4 роки тому

      Lol

    • @deankeys9719
      @deankeys9719 3 роки тому

      i dislike whatifalthis his editing isent great and his alt history is outragous for examble his video "what if germany won ww1" germany literally annexes everything

  • @LedosKell
    @LedosKell 4 роки тому +193

    What if everyone loved Germany so much after WW2 they kept Germany divided along the Allied occupation zones, leading to North, South, East, and West Germany?
    Also this video dyed my shirt silver.

    • @fristnamelastname5549
      @fristnamelastname5549 4 роки тому +10

      Why is my shirt silver?

    • @asnekboi7232
      @asnekboi7232 4 роки тому +5

      BorderGore

    • @eldbecks9299
      @eldbecks9299 4 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/Vm3Z4s90U_I/v-deo.html

    • @gottalivehappy
      @gottalivehappy Рік тому

      This sounds like something that actually kind of would happen in real life!

    • @dulguunjargal1199
      @dulguunjargal1199 7 місяців тому

      Britain just Abandoning the Healthcare System to fund the Control of Germany

  • @haydenblanchard2006
    @haydenblanchard2006 3 роки тому +20

    i’ve never understood why huey long is considered a fascist. i could see him being called a communist definitely a socialist but i haven’t seen anything to make me thinks he’s a fascist other than the fact that huey long wanted to focus on the US rather than joining WW2.

    • @west8865
      @west8865 2 роки тому +11

      Huey was only slightly left wing economically, otherwise he was socially conservative

    • @NovumEboraci
      @NovumEboraci 2 роки тому +10

      @@west8865 He was more racially egalitarian than his Southern contemporaries

    • @horacioelconserjeopina3956
      @horacioelconserjeopina3956 Рік тому +2

      @@west8865 how was he conservative?

    • @mr.fantastic7756
      @mr.fantastic7756 Рік тому

      ​@@horacioelconserjeopina3956how was he not?

    • @sirmount2636
      @sirmount2636 8 місяців тому

      @@mr.fantastic7756He wasn’t really a conservative. He was a populist first & foremost.

  • @2nd100k
    @2nd100k 4 роки тому +3

    This channel is so good honestly my favourite channel :)

  • @Liethen
    @Liethen 4 роки тому +25

    What if America had continued with the original space exploration plans of moon base in the 70's mars in the 80s saturn by 2000?

  • @AztecResistance
    @AztecResistance 4 роки тому +117

    This video is a best case scenario on all fronts. It’s very likely Britain wouldn’t launch an attack on the US without preparing first. Also, America has a strong democratic tradition. They’re not just going to suddenly accept one party rule in this time. And lastly, Huey Long was a very left leaning individual who is unlikely going to join fascists in America. This scenario would also spark race riots in the US that would get very ugly and ultimately lead to mass genocide for most minorities, including religious and political ones such as Catholics and socialists. Catholics weren’t liked in America in this time.

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  4 роки тому +43

      These are some good points, although for one, Long's sympathies could be swayed if he believed he could use this party to push through his ideals, it, along with similar economic ideals, was the basis of his and Coughlins friendship, and later the established Union Party between Long's successor and Coughlin.
      Long is less the long-shot ally as the Business Coalition would be, since Long, Pelley, Coughlin, and the Bund shared overlapping economic goals through slightly different methods.
      Catholics at the time, though disliked, were quickly becoming a large segment of the community, which Pelley was aware he'd be foolish to alienate, and may be more inclined to support the Axis given major sources of Catholic immigration were from Italy and Ireland (whom was teetering toward fascism, and held malice toward Britain).
      Democracy would, on the surface, seem to continue with only gradual limitations, remember that FDR continually won reelection despite the two term tradition. If Pelley claimed a need to eliminate supposedly "dangerous" parties and organizations to secure America, it's not far fetched to assume this would pass as long as the threat appeared ever present, and leave his party a monopoly over the presidency.

    • @mathieuleader8601
      @mathieuleader8601 4 роки тому +3

      Helter Skelter

    • @deankeys9719
      @deankeys9719 3 роки тому +3

      @@mathieuleader8601 fuck charles manson, helter skelter literally came from George Lincoln Rockwell. the whole whites will lose because the gov thing comes from rockwell, if you want to learn about American Heros learn about Rockwell

    • @AnansisLibrary
      @AnansisLibrary 2 роки тому +4

      Huey long was a racist, america has a long history of Proto fascism, American history is anti democratic for most people until the mid 19th century, Americans would ABSOLUTELY fall for one party fascism. We aren’t unique. It can, has, will, and IS, happening here.

    • @user-tz5uq2bt1s
      @user-tz5uq2bt1s 2 роки тому

      I agree most with 1 point, that on Britain's hesitance to attack the US. It's far more likely that under this circumstance, they would sue for peace with Germany. They were already on the back foot, so they attack the largest economy on earth? I doubt that, they aren't fools.

  • @steviegilliam5685
    @steviegilliam5685 4 роки тому +131

    What if the wild west did not die?

    • @gootar5045
      @gootar5045 4 роки тому +11

      @Orwell Jones Laeddis *BIG IRON on his hiiiiippppp*

    • @thehistory9187
      @thehistory9187 4 роки тому +11

      *MORE COWBOY MOVIES*

    • @amehak1922
      @amehak1922 4 роки тому +13

      Wild West could have lasted a few decades longer but I doubted it would have lasted past world war 1.

    • @yourfriendlyneighborhoodpl9761
      @yourfriendlyneighborhoodpl9761 4 роки тому +4

      People would still hate California if not not more so.

    • @jmitterii2
      @jmitterii2 4 роки тому +1

      Oh, we would look very similar central Africa Caspian region... a quagmire.

  • @grimguygames449
    @grimguygames449 3 роки тому +4

    This was a wild ride, thanks!

  • @darkx391
    @darkx391 4 роки тому +34

    What if Fascist League of North America come to power

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  4 роки тому +8

      ua-cam.com/video/c5l_r8MG5II/v-deo.html

    • @Meadaa
      @Meadaa 4 роки тому +3

      Check out the American blackshirts on UA-cam

    • @darkx391
      @darkx391 4 роки тому +2

      @@MonsieurDean do the American BlackShirts Party

    • @hinducroat9838
      @hinducroat9838 4 роки тому +2

      Supreme Snek no they're not antifa nor are they white nationalists they practice fascism they do not practice Nazism or communism they have a website anyone can join apparently if your 18 + but my device doesn't let me send links

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 4 роки тому +3

      @Supreme Snek No. Antifa are anarchists. The American Blackshirts (the name obviously based off the Italian Blackshirts who were fascist) are a civic nationalist fascist "party."

  • @christopherfritz3840
    @christopherfritz3840 3 роки тому +39

    FASCINATING. Of all the theoretical 'What If' videos THIS scenario really could have happened. It remarkable to think just how close it came. How completely different the fate of the USA came about in only five short years, 1940 to 1945!

    • @RhelrahneTheIdiot
      @RhelrahneTheIdiot 2 роки тому +3

      WDYM could have happened, all that needs to happen is for your officials to drop the act.

    • @tonysoprano12345
      @tonysoprano12345 2 роки тому +4

      Too bad it didn't

    • @austria-hungary4981
      @austria-hungary4981 Рік тому +1

      You can't say the word fascinating without the "fasc"

  • @Normal_Boii
    @Normal_Boii 4 роки тому +13

    What if youtube doesnt demonetize history and alt history videos

  • @rokball4892
    @rokball4892 4 роки тому +67

    What if Mongolian Army success to invade Japan?
    And what if the Qing Empire won First Sino-Japanese War?

    • @OGbrundle
      @OGbrundle 4 роки тому +1

      This would be a cool video

    • @militaristicsoldier856
      @militaristicsoldier856 4 роки тому +1

      What if Korea won the Finno-Korean Hyper War?

    • @ronjayrose9706
      @ronjayrose9706 4 роки тому +3

      No Japanese industrialization and no Japanese empire and worst of all no Emperor Hirohito

    • @fristnamelastname5549
      @fristnamelastname5549 4 роки тому +2

      No Pearl Harbor, and No Anima.

    • @ronjayrose9706
      @ronjayrose9706 4 роки тому +1

      @@fristnamelastname5549 No Hentai!!!!! OOOOOOOOOH NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

  • @mr.k418
    @mr.k418 4 роки тому +11

    What if the Martians from War of the Worlds invaded in 1899? How do you think it would end up going?

  • @ajh-lb2nw
    @ajh-lb2nw 4 роки тому +6

    Hope to see a part 2 of this one day.

  • @jadeabshire1355
    @jadeabshire1355 Рік тому +5

    This should’ve been canon.

  • @Mr_OogaBooga
    @Mr_OogaBooga Рік тому +1

    I read an article about it, And I looked for someone talking about this thank you!

  • @unclesam5230
    @unclesam5230 4 роки тому +13

    Can you do a part two of this please?

  • @jameshuggins8820
    @jameshuggins8820 3 роки тому +13

    This guy probably has like a wheel of countries and a wheel of things that could happen and he just spins both of them whenever he needs a video idea

  • @codybrox4693
    @codybrox4693 4 роки тому +6

    Great video very in depth and thought through how about a alternate history what if Russia joined the central powers in ww1 I would imagine this would happen if with kaiser Wilhelm continuing the alliance with Russia bismarck set up between the two empires and with that alliance in place when Austria declares war on Serbia and Russia being the protector of the balkans and Russia declaring war on Austria because of the alliance between russia and Germany Austria not declare war on Serbia as we see it unless it would have created a alliance with France instead who knows I think it would be an interesting idea
    I’m also still hoping you do a video on the I am Uncle Sam series on the area of Dixie I still have to know how ma boys are doin!

  • @GlenMcGlone
    @GlenMcGlone Рік тому +2

    Your prose is so beautifully crafted, I only wish you’d read it very slightly slower so we can savour it.

  • @michaldvorak2501
    @michaldvorak2501 4 роки тому +7

    Japan in central powers would be cool. Love your videos

  • @jackson4672
    @jackson4672 3 роки тому +29

    I'm only here to see if there are idiots saying "America already is fascist"
    Edit: There are.

    • @deankeys9719
      @deankeys9719 3 роки тому +1

      man i wish it was, that means we wouldnt have a commie president on january 20th cause id imagine trump is the type of person that if you gave him complete and utter control that he would just shoot his opposition

    • @Shanoyu19271
      @Shanoyu19271 3 роки тому

      @@bamlakbekele6494 generalizing is always bad.

    • @bamlakbekele6494
      @bamlakbekele6494 3 роки тому +5

      @@Shanoyu19271 Not at all. Not if it's true.

    • @bolshebrick7948
      @bolshebrick7948 3 роки тому +5

      @@bamlakbekele6494
      And democrats call every republican since bush fascist.
      You've been calling trump a fascist all the time, it's getting old.

    • @bamlakbekele6494
      @bamlakbekele6494 3 роки тому +4

      @@bolshebrick7948
      1. Not a democrat
      2. My quote of, "You've called every president since Clinton a communist, it's getting old
      " was in direct response to the other guy literally calling Biden a communist. You can't directly compare that to me when I never called Trump a fascist.
      3. Maybe brush up on your comprehension skills there bud.

  • @theholyhay1555
    @theholyhay1555 4 роки тому

    UA-cam recommendations, gotta see how this channel gonna blown

  • @drachir7146
    @drachir7146 2 роки тому +2

    That is a sick flag design bro!

  • @londegel
    @londegel 4 роки тому +30

    Why do I I have the feeling that "what if [insert country] became fascist" is going to become a running gag

    • @DrewPicklesTheDark
      @DrewPicklesTheDark 4 роки тому +1

      What is the USSR became fascist?...
      That would be pretty strange.

    • @frederik7338
      @frederik7338 4 роки тому +5

      @@DrewPicklesTheDark we don't need alt history for that. It's basically what's been happening since 1990. With a detour of economic anarchy along the way.

    • @londegel
      @londegel 4 роки тому

      @@DrewPicklesTheDark he already did it

    • @bolshebrick7948
      @bolshebrick7948 3 роки тому +1

      @@DrewPicklesTheDark
      The Union of Mladorossi

  • @void8141
    @void8141 Рік тому +6

    The best timeline

  • @SevereWeatherCenter
    @SevereWeatherCenter 4 роки тому

    Awesome video!

  • @trippfields279
    @trippfields279 4 роки тому +20

    What if the last minute coup in 1945 had succeeded and Japan had to be invaded via Operation Downfall?

  • @tomrennick5130
    @tomrennick5130 2 роки тому +6

    *And yet, the Anglo-sphere is headed instead for the grim future as dramatized in Ward Kendall's dystopian novel, "Hold Back This Day" (amazon) unless something is done.*

  • @drswag0076
    @drswag0076 4 роки тому +9

    after noticing the territories of Italy I think that a new Roman empire would have been made in this timeline

    • @johnholstun5128
      @johnholstun5128 4 місяці тому

      We are witnessing and revived Roman empire. The American government and court system is modeled after that system. We are witnessing the same corruption at every level of government from municipal to Federal and our legal system is based on Roman law.

  • @cossacktwofive4974
    @cossacktwofive4974 4 роки тому +6

    Could the British Isle in this scenario become "Air Strip One"?

  • @sgtmayhem7567
    @sgtmayhem7567 3 роки тому +4

    The German-American Bund was far too militaristic and pro Germany and telling Americans to emulate any foreign country would never fly. None of the fascist groups made a big impact in the South, it has a very small German population and the strongest regional feelings. If the Fascist party had made the similarities between Germany after WWI and the South during Reconstruction the core message of their membership drives in the states of the former Confederacy their membership would have exploded in number. To every Southerner in their mid-sixties and older the Reconstruction era was a bad memory and even the Civil War was still in living memory. The South was hit hardest by the depression and recovery was the slowest, the loss of jobs caused increased racial tension with poor whites competing with blacks for any type of employment. If the correct propaganda had been applied this timeline is completely feasible.

  • @greekcommie621
    @greekcommie621 4 роки тому +17

    What if che Guevara was victorious in Bolivia?

  • @internetguy1260
    @internetguy1260 3 роки тому

    You need to apply compression to your audio to make it louder. It is very quiet compared to other videos.

  • @madalheidis
    @madalheidis 4 роки тому +5

    I have a suggestion: What if Charlemagne’s Empire was not divided amongst his grandsons?
    Edit: And remained united for a longer time, say another 300 years.

  • @smokinbeans9578
    @smokinbeans9578 4 роки тому +9

    7:30 dude on the right looks like Neville Chamberlain if he was addicted to heroin

  • @jwil4286
    @jwil4286 3 роки тому +5

    “That’s where I’ll end this video for now”
    So will there be a Part 2?

    • @saintpoli6800
      @saintpoli6800 3 роки тому +1

      Time to peacefully protest Z until he concedes

  • @markafterdark8047
    @markafterdark8047 4 роки тому

    Why are your videos so quiet? I can barely hear you speaking even after maxing out my volume on my phone

  • @mmmmmmm5344
    @mmmmmmm5344 4 роки тому +1

    Hey I figure you know, but you aren’t showing up in my recommended feed at all. I don’t know if it’s censorship or not but figured you’d want to onow

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 4 роки тому +18

    I can see Walt Disney being a big player in the corporatist party

  • @EmpressMermaid
    @EmpressMermaid 4 роки тому +7

    What if Douglas MacArthur had gone the route of Eisenhower, gotten into politics and successfully ran for president. What would a MacArthur administration look like?

    • @gottalivehappy
      @gottalivehappy Рік тому +2

      Well we probably wouldnt exist

    • @Arcxhie2
      @Arcxhie2 3 місяці тому

      @@gottalivehappywe would, as he would’ve likely made us a millitary dictatorship, making the millitary better

  • @nigxhxjsjsj8769
    @nigxhxjsjsj8769 Рік тому +1

    Cool video

  • @NeoRipshaft
    @NeoRipshaft 4 роки тому +20

    I was pleasantly surprised to see this video informed by some awareness of how easily America could have fallen to fascism, and the major players involved.

    • @notvalidcharacters
      @notvalidcharacters 3 роки тому

      "Could have"? Hello.

    • @polyseed12
      @polyseed12 2 роки тому

      Already has

    • @paji2030
      @paji2030 2 роки тому +11

      @@polyseed12 I knew I was gonna see y’all, bro we’re not ruled by one party, we’re not a authoritarian dictatorship no matter how much you dislike a cloth on your face, and we have racial problems but not full on fascist racist.

    • @ex0z543
      @ex0z543 2 роки тому +1

      @@paji2030 Fascism isn't racist, it is the merger of government and corporate power with the state at the helm; exactly the opposite of what is going on in the U.S. Fascism uses this power to pursue Nationalist goals, that does not happen today. Fascism has been demonized and put in the same boat as National Socialism, since it is pretty much the only major threat to the established Elite. In reality Fascism could bring unity throughout different ethnicities which would be catastrophic for the elite.

    • @paji2030
      @paji2030 2 роки тому +1

      @@ex0z543 dude every fascist state has been racist asf and just plain warmongering, everyone always does this, commies say it’ll work this time and fascists say it was demonized like they all just forgot about history, you don’t see me, a capitalist saying we’re perfect, we need a mix of multiple things. Like you realize the major elite literally controlled fascism, they were dictatorships you fucking dumbass, and judging from how most forms of government usually lead to the same thing for the most part, it’ll prolly lead to the same thing again today, and the elites were only a specific ethnicity, why because those states were literally racist asf, fascism had 3 chances and failed miserably, I mean what proof do you have that means fascism won’t do what it did in the past.
      Plus I mean if you want a dictatorship, let alone one that could easily lead to a nationalist, control state then maybe your just a weirdo. I’d rather have freedoms. You guys always use “woke” for your reasons. “The elites”Ike get off your phone

  • @BlitzHUB_Ky
    @BlitzHUB_Ky 2 роки тому +3

    11:07 it would be rather taken by Japan, as it planned
    Also Iran would be leaded by pro-german government, Egypt and Sudan annexed by Italy.
    Later it can be war with portugal cause it has small army and a lot of colonies.

  • @icyguy2547
    @icyguy2547 4 роки тому +18

    Awesome scenario. It's really cool that you analyzed the different ideologies and parties active during the period.
    In regards to the American Ethnostate video, I think that in addition to Attucks in the Black Belt and Gideon in the Great Lakes region, the Indian reserves could be unified in a Transnational Union of Indigenous Peoples (TUIP). It would encompass all the Indian reserves, which assist each other in trade and resource-sharing, despite their geographical differences. In exchange for cultural and political autonomy, the TUIP helps the government with Manifest Destiny and the colonization of the West Coast. The newly conquered Indigenous populations would be added to the union, causing great controversy amongst the tribes.

  • @crazygenz2854
    @crazygenz2854 3 роки тому

    I've been trying to find this movie my teacher showed the class in middle School. it was about the what if scenario if America became a dictatorship fictional story and follows a family trying to escape I guess the only major detail I remember was the cliffhanger at the end. the son was needing a heart transplant I think. ?
    Anyone know the name of it?

  • @Lj_Redd
    @Lj_Redd 2 роки тому +3

    me in hoi4 whenever i wanna play america but dont wanna be bored to death

  • @conserva-chan2735
    @conserva-chan2735 2 роки тому +5

    Ah, the 1984 timeline in reverse

  • @RambleyShiba
    @RambleyShiba 4 роки тому +6

    What if southern Rhodesia became a territory of South Africa?

  • @nextgenpelican
    @nextgenpelican 4 роки тому +5

    I love your book !

  • @giojacycadalzo752
    @giojacycadalzo752 4 роки тому +3

    This is basically the AUS in Kaiserreich minus the CSA as a far-left rival plus a more strong and united Federal Government.

  • @J4R0D
    @J4R0D 4 роки тому +15

    NOW THAT'S AMERICA FIRST

  • @xyzslise
    @xyzslise 4 роки тому +3

    Tbh, the flag in the thumbnail looks cool.

  • @DaveMiller6042
    @DaveMiller6042 4 роки тому +1

    The absolute worst thing about this timeline is that we don't get Captain America. In case any of you are wondering what the hell I'm talking about. The creators of Captain America, Jack Kirby and Joe Simon, were not only Jewish but were also hated for by the German American bund for their anti Nazi sentiment but their comic about the Captain punching Hitler in the face. So much that the German American bund sent death threats to both of them and they, the bund, even marched to their houses the latter which required the police.

  • @1134beerman
    @1134beerman 2 роки тому +2

    You should make a video on “ that if the U.S. would have remained a true limited republic.

  • @outrageddeer2101
    @outrageddeer2101 4 роки тому +4

    What if new Mexico became independent during the chipamayo revolution

  • @Lukdnuke_Narson
    @Lukdnuke_Narson 4 роки тому +10

    I remember this from a comment

  • @zionmolina7819
    @zionmolina7819 4 роки тому

    Can you do a video about Ceiftans?

  • @kittenmastermind660
    @kittenmastermind660 3 роки тому

    Are you from an alternative timeline?

  • @SkinnerNoah
    @SkinnerNoah 4 роки тому +3

    What if Jesus wasn't crucified, and instead walked the earth until he was in his 70s or 80s?
    Would the long life of Jesus make Christianity more popular, or would the lack of a death and resurrection hinder the strength of the faith?

  • @Kolateak_
    @Kolateak_ 3 роки тому +5

    This looks like a few decades away from being 1984 but fascist

  • @neilc.8368
    @neilc.8368 4 роки тому +1

    Henry Turtledove did the same idea where the South won the civil war, but lost to ww1 (The south was an allied power, and the North was a central power) and the result made the south facist.

  • @yoursmokedetector
    @yoursmokedetector 4 роки тому +1

    What if the Roman Empire (not the Holy Roman Empire, but the actual Roman Empire) survived and was able to continue expanding? What would it look like today? How would the Roman religion change the march of progress in technology, if at all? What would government look like today, presuming the Romans conquered the whole world?

  • @m.a.t.a.s
    @m.a.t.a.s 4 роки тому +5

    Just a casual HOI4 playthrough.

  • @emperor_ra
    @emperor_ra 4 роки тому +303

    What if America beame fascist?
    People that think America is fascist now: *uuh*

    • @willhiggins9563
      @willhiggins9563 4 роки тому +25

      Emperor R It’s actually people calling Trump, and certain members of his administration fascist, not the whole country.

    • @coolthief8375
      @coolthief8375 4 роки тому +22

      Will Higgins Tell me my friend: do you think that the whole of Germany was fascist during WW2? Cause they weren’t. If a person thinks that anybody in the goverement is fascist then obviously he isn’t educated enough.

    • @markbauer5147
      @markbauer5147 4 роки тому +70

      Snake Brot National socialism is a political stance founded upon the ideology of fascism. Stop trying to sound smarter then you actually are

    • @WurrzagsMorkyMischeif
      @WurrzagsMorkyMischeif 4 роки тому +26

      @@Malak-uk1rk fascism and nazism are so similar that they are often grouped together under fascism. Its like how the forces of Francisco Franco were comprised of monarchists, traditionalists, fascists and many more, but they were all grouped under the banner of nationalists

    • @hollowhoagie6441
      @hollowhoagie6441 4 роки тому +40

      When communism fails in the USSR: that's not real communism!
      When fascism fails in Germany: That's not real fascism!

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 4 роки тому +1

    Sheldon Bush is going to be a big player in this timeline

  • @GIGASHOT1997
    @GIGASHOT1997 3 роки тому

    y'know that economic system sounds pretty nice
    (not the other stuff tho)

  • @masonwilder
    @masonwilder 4 роки тому +5

    Yessssss

  • @primal_guy1526
    @primal_guy1526 2 роки тому +3

    So you’re telling me that we would become corporatist techno fascists? Cool

  • @intergalactichumanempire9759
    @intergalactichumanempire9759 4 роки тому +2

    What about Father Coughlin? Would he find a place in this new United States?

    • @cdressel53191
      @cdressel53191 4 роки тому +1

      He mentioned him in the video, did you not watch it? He said he'd become the party's propaganda minister due to his already huge presence on the radio.

  • @SmokeDimi
    @SmokeDimi 4 роки тому

    What do you mean "if"?

  • @ultimatebros923
    @ultimatebros923 4 роки тому +12

    This is like the ultimate crossover.

    • @ultimatebros923
      @ultimatebros923 4 роки тому

      I was talking about all the historical figures that were in the video.

  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 4 роки тому +4

    The man in the high Castle, anyone?

  • @KnocKoffReviews
    @KnocKoffReviews 4 роки тому +2

    Perfect timing! I just finished binging Man in the High Castle last night.

    • @jfangm
      @jfangm 3 роки тому

      That story has such a stupid premise.

    • @KnocKoffReviews
      @KnocKoffReviews 3 роки тому +1

      @@jfangm what didnt you like about it?

    • @jfangm
      @jfangm 3 роки тому +1

      @@KnocKoffReviews
      The fact that it was not feasible in any way. I love alternate history, but there is no way either Japan or Germany could have conquered the U.S.

  • @glitchtastic759
    @glitchtastic759 4 роки тому +1

    Nobody:
    The Guy in the middle breaking the forth wall: 6:50