Best thing I ever bought. Could never get my friends or family much into tabletop gaming, but EVERYONE plays this and has a great time, plus will not break the bank. Just finished a Redacted Records game. Space Hulks=Great Adventure for any group
Welcome back! I love dark heresy 2e. We just finished our year-long campaign with it last week. The setting is so wonderful for roleplaying. It ended in pvp, betrayal, and grim darkness. Wonderful campaign.
@@polyhedron3386 I looked at it a bit, and it looks like they'll be taking a lot from warhammer fantasy 4e, and I'm not a big fan of that game. I'm pretty anti metacurrency and that game has quite a few :p
I've been working on a Wrath & Glory campaign/session. It will be my first tabletop RPG experience ever. It's true that there is no much details or depth given by the books about lore and stuff. But there is certainly a very positive aspect about it: You get more liberty, almost total liberty, to create an universe, a story, and so on. My campaign will begin at the Gilead system, but on a planet I created myself. It will be in a hive city I will develop myself, and in a large (and yet small) District I created myself. So I have full liberty in creating Factions, drawing the map, and building narratives, quests, and so on. And it doesn't even matter if the players decide to blow up the entire city or the entire planet in the future, because Warhammer 40k lore guarantee that there are billions of different planets populated differently and organized differently for different lore accurately reasons. So the game can happen in Gilead System or not. In one of it's many planets or not. It can happen anywhere you want and in anyway you want it. And this is something written in the book. You are encouraged to create new spells, new weapons, news enemies, etc. The negative aspect is just the time you'll take to organize this stuff. This makes harder, maybe impossible, to do a quick "sit and go" game. Since the players might not even know a thing about the universe. And the book doesn't give much details. Wich would make improvisation very complicated.
One of the best things about this game is that there is no gap in power between the martial classes and spellcasters (psykers). Psykers can do a lot with their abilities but that is balanced by the Perils of the Warp. Unlike the D&D, when martials are just there to hold the chaff at bay while the spellcasters kill everything.
Glad to see you posting again. On the Cubicle7 front, I’d also give a shout out to their Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Soulbound (Dave Thaumavore has a great review of it as well).
Been a C7 fan for many many years. Always top quality. The transition of The One Ring from C7 to Free League opened my eyes to a new also amazing publisher. I highly recommend looking into Symbaroum and The One Ring.
Late to seeing this but Wrath & Glory is hands down my favorite system of all ttrpgs talking purely mechanically. My main complaint about it is it being 40k coded even though I love 40k. Mostly because I'd love to have a similar system for Warhammer Fantasy or a generic system to apply to any setting I please (a bit like genesis from fantasy flight games). I love the tiers of play clearly denoting the tone and power level of a campaign, getting XP every session to represent incremental growth, and the numerous ways to customize and live out almost any character idea you'd like! Not to mention how good dice pools feel, there is also the fun of the campaign deck from the OG version, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE Wrath to make narrative declarations!!
Yep I'd love to see a generic version of the system. They seem to be standardizing on the system that powers Soulbound though, which they are calling the C7d6 system. It's similar but different. I do think that if you like the W&G system you'll like the Soulbound one as well. Their latest game The Laundry uses the Soulbound system pretty much exactly.
I know this is an older video but I'm just info diving into W&G now and I'd definitely like to know if you're looking for folks to play and dicuss about it?
Leaving a comment because I’d like to play Wrath & Glory with you! I’ve been ramping up on the system/lore to hopefully run a game soon. I’ve only played a one shot of it so far.
actually no eldar get huge bonuses to psychic stuff but its sorta nestled in the rules so i could see how you missed it. page 282 of the core rule book says that all roll perils of the warp differently and that craftworld eldar can once per test reroll a wrath die if it lands on a 1 making them super consistant and safe. they also get more disciples by default.
Agree! Running this at Adepticon this year! Got three adventures I will be talking about soon after running them at the Con. I do have some worries about the randomized players that will sit down at my table due to the fact that they will likely be 40K players but fortunately I have been playing with Games workshop products since 1992 so the lore should not be a problem. But the min/makers will need “shepherding” (to put it nicely!) 😅
Wrath & Glory is a great game, and now that Imperium Maledictum is out, it turns out it's a great game too (skill based, d100). Turns out 40k is a great setting for more than "just" wargames and novels and video games!
Well, you certainly got me interested in the game even though I'm not very familiar with the setting. It's something I've looking at for years knowing I should take a deep dive and it wasn't until I watched the short film Astartes that I realized how much I was missing out. I played a few sessions of games based in Dungeon World and I found it kinda lacking character options for my taste. But since I played all of those games with mostly the same group very familiar with the system I also consider that maybe my experience has more to do with the way they like to play than with the game itself. Still next Saturday I'll be playing a Urban Shadows game, we'll see if things feel any different. Also I'm currently running a (maybe short) adventure of Numenéra. I fell in love with the setting and the Cypher System, kinda wanna convert everything I like to those rules.
Genuinely love the system but my friend groups are all so busy with our ongoing D&D campaigns that we can never squeeze in time to try a new system. I’m super big into pushing them to try new systems but it’s very rare that we do, and only half of us really like Warhammer 40k (the other half are the partners to those who have the plastic crack addiction so they’re not the biggest fans lol). Definitely need to push them to get a game in soon and try it
I wish I had the time to learn this game and play with others. Damn these relationships and becoming a parent getting in the way of my table top gaming!!
One game at a time! I’m also a parent and really looking forward to teaching my kids to play (maybe something less dark than this lol). And this system really is pretty straightforward, maybe I’ll make a video with an example play through to help people get started.
@@polyhedron3386 The one guide I found on UA-cam leaves a lot of unanswered questions and skips quite a bit, so you'd be providing some much needed content W&G on here as far as I know.
It's currently on Humble Bundle along with a few other games, I'm really considering it as I've been interested. Relieved to know it use D6's after playing so much 40k and KT I have a few of those 😂
I recently purchased the Humble Bundle pack for Wrath & Glory… so much stuff in there, I’ve only just scratched the surface of it. But umm, you said that you might be looking for players? I’d love to play W&G. I’d GM some Warhammer Fantasy 4e for you in return, if that tickles your fancy.
I'm curious to try this one out. Having played Dark Heresy, Death Watch, and Black Crusade I found them to be severely flawed for long form games ect hopefully wrath and glory doesn't do that
I'm currently running a weekly game of this (despite everyone involved being adults with full time jobs. We're a real unicorn group), but I'd love to join in as a player as well. Guess I've got no choice but to subscribe so I can see if you get that community game started. :)
More powerful characters with a higher survivability doesn’t dilute the grimdark of 40K. There is still oppression and death everywhere and a desperation to survive. As long as the PCs care about NPC losses, they’re higher-powered characters can still be brought low by the deaths of others.
DH is very narrative driven combat should be a small part of it as combat is so brutal if u had any where near as much combat as D&D u will die very quick, grim dark can be brought in though a compelling story line but if there is very little danger in the game like there is in D&D the narrative side of grim dark is going to feel a little hollow
How is the economy? I still pay the Dark Heresy 1e, and I'm not a huge fan. It's very stifling. And especially in things like Star wars The economy is just don't feel fun or realistic like simple basic things cost insane amounts of money that you can't possibly have. In dark heresy I always feel very limited because like everything costs hundreds to thousands of thrones and you get money in the tens.
The economy system is a little different. You don't track specific currency, but you have points of "wealth" that could represent anything narratively (the fingerbone of a saint, xenotech, ork teef). You use these to make tests to requisition gear easier. You need to roll a test to ask vendor npcs for gear. The rarer the gear, the higher the roll. Hope that makes some sense!
I've mostly avoided Warhammer 40k for the most part because I know I definately can't afford to play it, but finding out there's a more narritively focused game is very cool. I would love to be in a game of this.
people who complain there isnt enough lore or grimdarkness dont understand that its up to the GM and players to include that shit I am about to run the Rain of Mercy one-shot for my group, but i GM like 4 games a week, so if anyone wants to join my Guilded server and run 40k games, just leave a comment
Excellent video, I agree that C7’s revised Wrath & Glory is great! I think some of the criticism it gets is really because the original release by Ulisses Spiele wasn’t that good… so many editing errors, rules contradictions, and even the less grimdark and more bright and colorful art style in that original release. C7 has done an awesome job of fixing all of those problems with that revised release though!
If you don't need a book for the setting and your know well the universe, I recommend using Fate instead. I did it with a light version of Fate rules and it worked wonderfully.
We aboslutely love Wrath and Glory. We can get the choice between being beefy horde killers or something slightly more investigative. I feel it maybe fits reasonably well between Deathwatch (although this is much more high-powered) and maybe the new Imperium Maledictum rpg (although we've not played this yet!). Lots of crunch too, but pretty easy to get new characters made quick and into the action fast! :)
Even though I disagree with like most of the praises for W&G here as being largely subjective - I'm glad to see someone hooked on fine and deeply narrative way of showing grimdark to keep games fun. To each their own.
So glad you like the revised book as it was a pleasure to be part of the team that made that book.
So cool! Thanks for a great game!
That's awesome
As the designer, I want to say thank you for this great review.
Wow how cool is that! Thanks for making a great game!
Nice to see you again. I moved to a different country, changed jobs, all kinds of life things. I'll try not to wait a year until the next video.
Best thing I ever bought. Could never get my friends or family much into tabletop gaming, but EVERYONE plays this and has a great time, plus will not break the bank. Just finished a Redacted Records game. Space Hulks=Great Adventure for any group
Gotta love 'Dungeon Crawl in Space Ghostships' ya know?
A split off of my D&D group started this and it’s so fun! We talked about how fun and chaotic our last game was for days.
Awesome! Yep these games get crazy QUICK.
I'm just about to start a campaign of W&G and your video definitely give me the last push of confidence I needed
Welcome back! I love dark heresy 2e. We just finished our year-long campaign with it last week. The setting is so wonderful for roleplaying. It ended in pvp, betrayal, and grim darkness. Wonderful campaign.
Do you plan on checking out Imperium Maledictum?
@@polyhedron3386 I looked at it a bit, and it looks like they'll be taking a lot from warhammer fantasy 4e, and I'm not a big fan of that game. I'm pretty anti metacurrency and that game has quite a few :p
Rolling a large handful of dice is the best feeling.
Am I seeing things?! Welcome back!
Plan on buying this as well as Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
I've been working on a Wrath & Glory campaign/session. It will be my first tabletop RPG experience ever.
It's true that there is no much details or depth given by the books about lore and stuff. But there is certainly a very positive aspect about it:
You get more liberty, almost total liberty, to create an universe, a story, and so on.
My campaign will begin at the Gilead system, but on a planet I created myself. It will be in a hive city I will develop myself, and in a large (and yet small) District I created myself. So I have full liberty in creating Factions, drawing the map, and building narratives, quests, and so on. And it doesn't even matter if the players decide to blow up the entire city or the entire planet in the future, because Warhammer 40k lore guarantee that there are billions of different planets populated differently and organized differently for different lore accurately reasons.
So the game can happen in Gilead System or not. In one of it's many planets or not. It can happen anywhere you want and in anyway you want it. And this is something written in the book. You are encouraged to create new spells, new weapons, news enemies, etc.
The negative aspect is just the time you'll take to organize this stuff. This makes harder, maybe impossible, to do a quick "sit and go" game. Since the players might not even know a thing about the universe. And the book doesn't give much details. Wich would make improvisation very complicated.
All of Cubicle Seven's products are of the highest quality.
One of the best things about this game is that there is no gap in power between the martial classes and spellcasters (psykers). Psykers can do a lot with their abilities but that is balanced by the Perils of the Warp. Unlike the D&D, when martials are just there to hold the chaff at bay while the spellcasters kill everything.
I've GMed quite a bit of W&G. I've got mixed opinions on it, but overall it's a fun game that gives a lot of freedom to the players and GM.
I recently started picking up more of these books, it's absolutely a great system to look at because you can make a small adventure into a great story
Glad to see you posting again. On the Cubicle7 front, I’d also give a shout out to their Warhammer Age of Sigmar: Soulbound (Dave Thaumavore has a great review of it as well).
I just got the book!
Thank you for keeping it positive. I'm looking forward to playing it.
"Wrath and Glory isn't grimdark enough"
Tell that to my party who fights 2 out of every 3 fights with the fear status hahaha
That sounds like a good time!
It is!
Always glad to see you back making videos!
Been a C7 fan for many many years. Always top quality. The transition of The One Ring from C7 to Free League opened my eyes to a new also amazing publisher. I highly recommend looking into Symbaroum and The One Ring.
Those two are definitely the best in the game right now.
Late to seeing this but Wrath & Glory is hands down my favorite system of all ttrpgs talking purely mechanically. My main complaint about it is it being 40k coded even though I love 40k. Mostly because I'd love to have a similar system for Warhammer Fantasy or a generic system to apply to any setting I please (a bit like genesis from fantasy flight games).
I love the tiers of play clearly denoting the tone and power level of a campaign, getting XP every session to represent incremental growth, and the numerous ways to customize and live out almost any character idea you'd like! Not to mention how good dice pools feel, there is also the fun of the campaign deck from the OG version, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE Wrath to make narrative declarations!!
Yep I'd love to see a generic version of the system. They seem to be standardizing on the system that powers Soulbound though, which they are calling the C7d6 system. It's similar but different. I do think that if you like the W&G system you'll like the Soulbound one as well. Their latest game The Laundry uses the Soulbound system pretty much exactly.
I know this is an older video but I'm just info diving into W&G now and I'd definitely like to know if you're looking for folks to play and dicuss about it?
Super fun video and nice clarity through out!
Thanks!
Leaving a comment because I’d like to play Wrath & Glory with you! I’ve been ramping up on the system/lore to hopefully run a game soon. I’ve only played a one shot of it so far.
My biggest Gripe is the psychic system and how it is no difference when you play a human psycer and an Eldar one
actually no eldar get huge bonuses to psychic stuff but its sorta nestled in the rules so i could see how you missed it. page 282 of the core rule book says that all roll perils of the warp differently and that craftworld eldar can once per test reroll a wrath die if it lands on a 1 making them super consistant and safe. they also get more disciples by default.
Agree! Running this at Adepticon this year! Got three adventures I will be talking about soon after running them at the Con. I do have some worries about the randomized players that will sit down at my table due to the fact that they will likely be 40K players but fortunately I have been playing with Games workshop products since 1992 so the lore should not be a problem. But the min/makers will need “shepherding” (to put it nicely!) 😅
Wrath & Glory is a great game, and now that Imperium Maledictum is out, it turns out it's a great game too (skill based, d100). Turns out 40k is a great setting for more than "just" wargames and novels and video games!
Agree! It's such a rich setting, with so much space for interpretation.
What a great video! New subscriber ❤
Thanks for the video. Here's hoping you check out Imperium Maledictum as well!
Well, you certainly got me interested in the game even though I'm not very familiar with the setting. It's something I've looking at for years knowing I should take a deep dive and it wasn't until I watched the short film Astartes that I realized how much I was missing out.
I played a few sessions of games based in Dungeon World and I found it kinda lacking character options for my taste. But since I played all of those games with mostly the same group very familiar with the system I also consider that maybe my experience has more to do with the way they like to play than with the game itself. Still next Saturday I'll be playing a Urban Shadows game, we'll see if things feel any different.
Also I'm currently running a (maybe short) adventure of Numenéra. I fell in love with the setting and the Cypher System, kinda wanna convert everything I like to those rules.
Im in a warhammer group, and i just want to play a narrative and do custom killteam missions for the battles
That sounds amazing
Genuinely love the system but my friend groups are all so busy with our ongoing D&D campaigns that we can never squeeze in time to try a new system. I’m super big into pushing them to try new systems but it’s very rare that we do, and only half of us really like Warhammer 40k (the other half are the partners to those who have the plastic crack addiction so they’re not the biggest fans lol). Definitely need to push them to get a game in soon and try it
I wish I had the time to learn this game and play with others.
Damn these relationships and becoming a parent getting in the way of my table top gaming!!
One game at a time! I’m also a parent and really looking forward to teaching my kids to play (maybe something less dark than this lol). And this system really is pretty straightforward, maybe I’ll make a video with an example play through to help people get started.
@@polyhedron3386 The one guide I found on UA-cam leaves a lot of unanswered questions and skips quite a bit, so you'd be providing some much needed content W&G on here as far as I know.
It's currently on Humble Bundle along with a few other games, I'm really considering it as I've been interested. Relieved to know it use D6's after playing so much 40k and KT I have a few of those 😂
I recently purchased the Humble Bundle pack for Wrath & Glory… so much stuff in there, I’ve only just scratched the surface of it. But umm, you said that you might be looking for players? I’d love to play W&G. I’d GM some Warhammer Fantasy 4e for you in return, if that tickles your fancy.
Would love a game of wrath and glory
I'm curious to try this one out. Having played Dark Heresy, Death Watch, and Black Crusade I found them to be severely flawed for long form games ect hopefully wrath and glory doesn't do that
I'm currently running a weekly game of this (despite everyone involved being adults with full time jobs. We're a real unicorn group), but I'd love to join in as a player as well. Guess I've got no choice but to subscribe so I can see if you get that community game started. :)
More powerful characters with a higher survivability doesn’t dilute the grimdark of 40K. There is still oppression and death everywhere and a desperation to survive. As long as the PCs care about NPC losses, they’re higher-powered characters can still be brought low by the deaths of others.
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DH is very narrative driven combat should be a small part of it as combat is so brutal if u had any where near as much combat as D&D u will die very quick, grim dark can be brought in though a compelling story line but if there is very little danger in the game like there is in D&D the narrative side of grim dark is going to feel a little hollow
Need a player? I'm yer man.
Hi hello and good day I would like to play.
How is the economy?
I still pay the Dark Heresy 1e, and I'm not a huge fan. It's very stifling.
And especially in things like Star wars The economy is just don't feel fun or realistic like simple basic things cost insane amounts of money that you can't possibly have.
In dark heresy I always feel very limited because like everything costs hundreds to thousands of thrones and you get money in the tens.
The economy system is a little different. You don't track specific currency, but you have points of "wealth" that could represent anything narratively (the fingerbone of a saint, xenotech, ork teef). You use these to make tests to requisition gear easier. You need to roll a test to ask vendor npcs for gear. The rarer the gear, the higher the roll. Hope that makes some sense!
I've mostly avoided Warhammer 40k for the most part because I know I definately can't afford to play it, but finding out there's a more narritively focused game is very cool. I would love to be in a game of this.
I might be running a game online soon! It would be around 8-9pm PST.
@@polyhedron3386 depending on the day, that time would work for me.
people who complain there isnt enough lore or grimdarkness dont understand that its up to the GM and players to include that shit
I am about to run the Rain of Mercy one-shot for my group, but i GM like 4 games a week, so if anyone wants to join my Guilded server and run 40k games, just leave a comment
Where can I get or make good maps for something like 40k? Most map makers I see use alot of more happy and fantasy assets.
Excellent video, I agree that C7’s revised Wrath & Glory is great! I think some of the criticism it gets is really because the original release by Ulisses Spiele wasn’t that good… so many editing errors, rules contradictions, and even the less grimdark and more bright and colorful art style in that original release. C7 has done an awesome job of fixing all of those problems with that revised release though!
It sounds a bit like the world of darkness dice system. Just with d6 instead of d10.
Can it be played at Roll20?
Welcome back!!
If you don't need a book for the setting and your know well the universe, I recommend using Fate instead. I did it with a light version of Fate rules and it worked wonderfully.
I heard a lot of people had success doing that. I'm not a fan of Fate myself but it could be that didn't give it enough of a try.
JUST picked up the Rulebook for W&G! Cannot wait to figure this one out so I can run games for my group!
We aboslutely love Wrath and Glory. We can get the choice between being beefy horde killers or something slightly more investigative. I feel it maybe fits reasonably well between Deathwatch (although this is much more high-powered) and maybe the new Imperium Maledictum rpg (although we've not played this yet!). Lots of crunch too, but pretty easy to get new characters made quick and into the action fast! :)
Been GMing W&G and we love the systems, fast and simple, easy to modify and for Sci-Fi TTRPG one of the best IMHO 💜💜
I'm really interested In playing a xenos campaign in W&G but such games are like impossible to find
If you are still running i would be interested in playing.
Even though I disagree with like most of the praises for W&G here as being largely subjective - I'm glad to see someone hooked on fine and deeply narrative way of showing grimdark to keep games fun. To each their own.
Yep to each their own! Have your tried Imperium Maledictum?
Great video.