I think you introduced an interesting counter meta of more obscure units that tournament experienced players might not be ready for adapting against. Great video btw you have a new sub :)
Only four? Back before they got a codex and Necrons could put sempiternal weave on a C'tan, i used to run the "Pokémon Trainer Overlord" list. Nightbringer, Deceiver, and Void Dragon with three transcendent C'tan. One of which had the wave giving it a 4+ FNP in conjunction with its 4+ Invul. Have the overlord in a block of shield lychguard in the back and off he goes
Bringing 12 centurions is actually kinda smart. almost nobody brings them to a tournament people might not know how to play against them. also if you split the devestator centurions with las cannons into squads of 3 you would be able to play the objectives even more and have them in different locations. Your choice of inferno pistols actually makes a lot of sense with kayvaan shrike giving the squad lone operative. they are unlikely to be shot and will often charge first meaning the inferno pistols are just more damage, the storm shields are great in every other case a really really cool use of them.
I don't know if splitting them for objective play is worth it. They aren't good at that anyways and it makes Strike from the Shadows and Guerrilla Tactics just worse on them.
In a game I played my opponent dropped Kayvaan Shrike in my back line feeling totally safe. I then used Typhus’ Eater Plague to snipe him from 18” away. I lost the game but it felt good have this one moment.
The Screaming Ravens did their task: they showed how surprising a sudden TWELVE CENTURION SIEGE can be. Yeah it folds to heavy armor and being out of position, but that's just par for the course with Raven Guard stuff. The fact that it held up against 4 c'tan is amazing
Great job Paul! Very excited to see you win with an, uh.. off-meta list! My game group mates dont feel confident if their army isn't some meta list. You're helping to bring out the fun in this hobby!
I’m glad you had a great time, and I love seeing your sportsmanship! You hear so many horror stories about tournaments but you’re exactly my favorite type of 40K player
Hey Paul, I’m really happy you enjoyed our game so much despite my horrifying C’Tan shards! I absolutely loved that game! Your list was cool as hell & as you said, there were so many cinema moments & that’s why we play 👍 cracking video too! I’m properly chuffed to see my Necrons on your channel 🤘
Great job going 2-1, that's way better than I ever did at my local tournaments. And wow, that techmarine is REALLY great. Such a good job on that paint job.
I like that you list is unique and non-meta and you still did pretty good. Definitely gives me confidence to to go into a tournament...someday. Just got a bunch of Neophytes to finish painting.
The thing about not playing the meta is that people have no idea how it works! I was making some lists the other day with the new buffs and I couldn't bring myself not to bring 12 centurions, a stormraven and a brutalis. I just hope they don't become meta so I can feel special.
I really like the stormraven. I do think the techmarine stands out the most though and it's such a good idea to have those 3d printed bits, really well done!
I think you did a great job Paul! I cant comment too hard on your tactics since I don't play 40K much, but I can at least say that your "remixed" list definitely looks better, and I'd like to see another video covering your experiences playing it another tournament. But that's only after you've gotten around to playing more AoS. Those rats and Stormcast won't finish themselves. Also, WELL DONE BROTHER! To hear you recpunt the tale of the Sixth Secret Snafu Shuffle was quite the experience! I only wish I couldve been there myself to see such a historic moment! You do your Primarch proud.
Congratulations to your not bad at all tournament result. (Channel name change incomming??) Especially with an unusual homebrew list. And thanks for the entertaining report.
Holy shii... I love my centurians and am the centurian guy at the shop but not even I would field a dozen in one list! That is either the best thing ever or the most madcap!
The other thing that's good with C'tan would be your Shrike Bomb with Melta pistols, because Meltas additional damage is applied *after* the damage is halved IIRC. It's why Sisters of Battle into Necrons was considered a poor matchup for Necrons. So if they're in Melta range, you're doing a minimum of 3 damage to them that, sure they can roll their Feel No Pain on but you're going to get at least some damage through.
I played a game recently running Data-Psalm Conclave with 3 squads of Fulgurite Electro-Priests each led by a Dominus and all of them loaded into Duneriders on the edge of my deployment zone. My opponent was running a C'tan heavy list very reminiscent of the one you faced and on turn 2 each squad of Fulgurites piled out of the Duneriders before it moved and then charged. Each squad killed their respective C'tan because between Conqueror Imperatives, Citation in Savagery, and their surprisingly powerful weapons with Dev Wounds, they were making 30 attacks hitting on 2s. My opponent was absolutely flabbergasted, and then of course the priests have a 5+ Invul save and a 4+ Feel No Pain so his response did very little back to them. I think after that he got very flustered and lost the plot a little bit which I do not blame him for at all, nobody expects that kind of damage output from infantry vs a C'tan.
It’s on theme, if the enemy doesn’t understand what you’re doing they are going to make mistakes or leave something exposed because when they expect You to do something else. Very Screaming Raven.
I would love to go to a weird tournament. I imagine nearly all of them being a sort of "power-game-off", which is more like esports and I'm just not as interested. But I guess they can be wacky as well. I would love that. Congrats on getting to go and doing so well
Meltas into C'Tans is goo to bemuse you don't hale the melta bonus. So if its like meta 2, the exa 2 is not halved. I wrecked a C"tn with a Knight Errant (Melta 6 on the big gun) Modifiers in Rules Commentary - apply division modifiers before applying multiplication modifiers, before applying addition and then subtraction modifiers. So you roll say a 4 with melta 2, the modifiers are 1/2 (C'Taa) +2 (melta) the 1/2 is applied first so damage goes from 4 to 2, thyen add the meta next so it gets the full 2 from that
as someone who plays lots of warhammer and is interested in touranments but never been to one. This was really encouraging. I always feel like if i took my try hardest Eldar list to a game I'd get bodied anyway. This makes me think I could take a fun list and still actually compete
I run a vanguard spearhead with my Ravenguard Raptor inspired chapter the Autumn Guard, so glad to hear of someone using it with success. Not sure about centurions though, but to each their own.
My first very tournie I went to at my local store was a blast. Brought my metal flesh Hivefleet Triglav and went up against a fellow Tyranids vanguard player. First time either of us played a mirror match so it was a lot of fun. One thing I did help him with, similar to you game 2, my opponent had never looked into pyrovores. I had a 2 girls unit chilling mid board (their names are Mel and Burne....yes Melburne) and he tried rushing them with a massive swarm of gargoyles. Overwatch and instantly gone. He tried staying out of my 12" range the rest of the game, but I was forcing his hand. Mid-match I offered him some advice, told him that your blob of nids right here if he moved them I would overwatch and burn HOWEVER if he rushed me with his genestealers, I'd barely be able to kill them and my pyros would be dead. Followed thru, continued on and all that. End of match, I had no way of dealing with three units of ten genestealers, we both have winged hive tyrants that clashed and spun around in the sky in a fist fight. End of the tourine asked him how he did and he said thanks for the help with flamers cuz he went up against some Salamanders and focused fired that Infernus unit, making sure to not get in range till then.
My last tournament my entire concept was just to have fun and be able to table as many bugs as possible. I did fairly well, but more importantly I had an absolute blast. And surprisingly, no one seemed fully ready to deal with someone who embraced the full-on-swarm army list. Bugs bugs bugs! That was many years ago though, I don't really play anymore.
As someone going to their first highly competitive 40k tournament in a little over a week, your experience really lessened my worries that I'm going to end up playing a bunch of WAAC crazies vs people that want to have a great time, just with strong lists.
Good on you man a fantastic fun-focused positive mindset which we need to see more of at LGS tournaments rather than the rules bitching lawyerS I've come to despise :D
Captain in Phobos armor and ghostweave cloak. Two 3 man centurion assault squads, one if flamers, one with melta. Two 6 man centurion devastator squads, both with lascannon and missles One Ballistus dreadnaught One Brutalis Dreadnaught TWO stormraven gunships to carry the assault squads and dreadnaughts. Thanks for the inspiration
Cool video. Was wondering where u got the hammer on the jumpack guy? At 2.54 in the video. Is there a special place i can buy one i think it looks really cool.
Interesting report! All of your games seemed to use not enough terrain though? Looking at the one vs the necrons and there is barely anything to really block line of sight? I feel that helps shooting armies too much. Also, are the dimensions of the playing field right? Shouldn't the sides have more of a difference in length?
I played a game against a buddy other week at our LGS. He brought a standard grey knights list, I brought a Hypercrypt list with 3 C’tan, a doomsday ark, a monolith, and a doomstalker for good measure. I came in off a 5 game losing streak and watching my void dragon solo two dread knights in as many turns felt incredible The other guys at the LGS said I was a bad person….
how many dorns are there lol llike how is the imperium in shambles when theres two with an astra militarum group lol?? (i know its the tank but i find the idea of the a.m having their own little cloned dorns just too funny
Heard you had an amazing Techmarine
Love the paint job!
10/10 paint job for the tech marine
I saw him. He really stood out among the entire army.
I think you introduced an interesting counter meta of more obscure units that tournament experienced players might not be ready for adapting against. Great video btw you have a new sub :)
You are an inspiration (and great concern) to us all
I WILL make centurions relevant!
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff "Gretchen, stop trying to make Centurions happen! It's not going to happen!"
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Ce*****ons.
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Do you hope or dread primaris centurions? 'Cause they're still technically firstborn models.
Four C'tan? The mans a monster!
As a necron player: yuck.
man, wait till you get hit with the 6 C'tan list lol
@@thefermion_ 6? Now that is a war crime
Only four? Back before they got a codex and Necrons could put sempiternal weave on a C'tan, i used to run the "Pokémon Trainer Overlord" list. Nightbringer, Deceiver, and Void Dragon with three transcendent C'tan. One of which had the wave giving it a 4+ FNP in conjunction with its 4+ Invul.
Have the overlord in a block of shield lychguard in the back and off he goes
@@imotekh6110 yeah nothing good to brag about pal
That Techmarine looks great!
The centurions are funny and have the element of surprise. No one expects them.
Bringing 12 centurions is actually kinda smart. almost nobody brings them to a tournament people might not know how to play against them. also if you split the devestator centurions with las cannons into squads of 3 you would be able to play the objectives even more and have them in different locations. Your choice of inferno pistols actually makes a lot of sense with kayvaan shrike giving the squad lone operative. they are unlikely to be shot and will often charge first meaning the inferno pistols are just more damage, the storm shields are great in every other case a really really cool use of them.
I don't know if splitting them for objective play is worth it. They aren't good at that anyways and it makes Strike from the Shadows and Guerrilla Tactics just worse on them.
@@torysaccount5753 you are splitting them so they have to split fire and they can shoot 2 different targets if you want to
A new Paul video? Sweet, time to feel guilty for not painting in 2 months
I haven't painted since doing stuff for this tournament lmao don't feel bad
I can not paint because I have painted everything and is waiting for spring.
That techmarine looks amazing
Your techmarine looks great!
Really like the drawn over photos explaining the game, really enjoyable to follow and great detail. Keep it up!
In a game I played my opponent dropped Kayvaan Shrike in my back line feeling totally safe. I then used Typhus’ Eater Plague to snipe him from 18” away. I lost the game but it felt good have this one moment.
That's good intel for if I ever play against a Typhus
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff I'm looking out for you.
@@PaulIsBadAtStuffWon't need that Intel anymore
Love it Paul! actually looking to get back into the hobby after a decade away and your videos have really inspired me!
The Screaming Ravens did their task: they showed how surprising a sudden TWELVE CENTURION SIEGE can be. Yeah it folds to heavy armor and being out of position, but that's just par for the course with Raven Guard stuff.
The fact that it held up against 4 c'tan is amazing
Glad you enjoyed it 🎉🎉
Had to go back and look, love the Jump Captain with the DW Thunder Hammer
Great job Paul! Very excited to see you win with an, uh.. off-meta list!
My game group mates dont feel confident if their army isn't some meta list. You're helping to bring out the fun in this hobby!
I’m glad you had a great time, and I love seeing your sportsmanship! You hear so many horror stories about tournaments but you’re exactly my favorite type of 40K player
Congrats Paul! That was a great video and great matches to hone your list. I've enjoyed watching the Screaming Ravens journey.
Raven Guard, I love it. I mean Screaming Ravens! would love to see and hear more about them
Ravin' Ravens!
Hey Paul, I’m really happy you enjoyed our game so much despite my horrifying C’Tan shards! I absolutely loved that game! Your list was cool as hell & as you said, there were so many cinema moments & that’s why we play 👍 cracking video too! I’m properly chuffed to see my Necrons on your channel 🤘
Paul vs banana man, a battle for the ages
Very nice video. Don't think I didn't hear that Golden Sun battle music! Great choice
Looks like a great tournament. Non standard terrain layouts and some cool themed lists. I have enjoyed your videos about the tournament, thanks.
Great job going 2-1, that's way better than I ever did at my local tournaments. And wow, that techmarine is REALLY great. Such a good job on that paint job.
I like that you list is unique and non-meta and you still did pretty good. Definitely gives me confidence to to go into a tournament...someday. Just got a bunch of Neophytes to finish painting.
The thing about not playing the meta is that people have no idea how it works! I was making some lists the other day with the new buffs and I couldn't bring myself not to bring 12 centurions, a stormraven and a brutalis. I just hope they don't become meta so I can feel special.
I love your list
It's so unique and definitely has to be one of the coolest list I've seen someone to use competitively
As a person learning this game this battle report was very refreshing, showing the human factor. I really appreciate the time u took to make this
I really like the stormraven. I do think the techmarine stands out the most though and it's such a good idea to have those 3d printed bits, really well done!
hi, you've earned a sub! I'm new to the tabletop hobby and having a great time with Kill Team. This makes me excited to try full 10e eventually!
Centurions go brrrrrrrrrt.
thank you for doing them justice
I think you did a great job Paul! I cant comment too hard on your tactics since I don't play 40K much, but I can at least say that your "remixed" list definitely looks better, and I'd like to see another video covering your experiences playing it another tournament.
But that's only after you've gotten around to playing more AoS. Those rats and Stormcast won't finish themselves.
Also, WELL DONE BROTHER! To hear you recpunt the tale of the Sixth Secret Snafu Shuffle was quite the experience! I only wish I couldve been there myself to see such a historic moment! You do your Primarch proud.
That game 1 terrain layout is really something… a lot of armies would really struggle there.
Love the golden sun music you used for the Ctans
Well done!
I'm not sure if you get enough credit for your choice of background music - I LOVE IT, SO MUCH!
As a gaurd player I’m going to go get another dorn
Congratulations to your not bad at all tournament result. (Channel name change incomming??) Especially with an unusual homebrew list.
And thanks for the entertaining report.
Thanks for letting us share in your glorious victory!
Rocked it, bud. Nurgle bless.
Holy shii... I love my centurians and am the centurian guy at the shop but not even I would field a dozen in one list! That is either the best thing ever or the most madcap!
The worst part is the second list at the end showed 15 centurions, thats soo many
Loved the video :) you are slowly converting me to the centurion hype train...
Glorious news! Glad to hear you had fun!
The other thing that's good with C'tan would be your Shrike Bomb with Melta pistols, because Meltas additional damage is applied *after* the damage is halved IIRC. It's why Sisters of Battle into Necrons was considered a poor matchup for Necrons. So if they're in Melta range, you're doing a minimum of 3 damage to them that, sure they can roll their Feel No Pain on but you're going to get at least some damage through.
I just saw this and I’m glad too hear about this guy again
I love these type of lists
Sounds like you had a great time, well done!
I played a game recently running Data-Psalm Conclave with 3 squads of Fulgurite Electro-Priests each led by a Dominus and all of them loaded into Duneriders on the edge of my deployment zone. My opponent was running a C'tan heavy list very reminiscent of the one you faced and on turn 2 each squad of Fulgurites piled out of the Duneriders before it moved and then charged. Each squad killed their respective C'tan because between Conqueror Imperatives, Citation in Savagery, and their surprisingly powerful weapons with Dev Wounds, they were making 30 attacks hitting on 2s. My opponent was absolutely flabbergasted, and then of course the priests have a 5+ Invul save and a 4+ Feel No Pain so his response did very little back to them. I think after that he got very flustered and lost the plot a little bit which I do not blame him for at all, nobody expects that kind of damage output from infantry vs a C'tan.
It’s on theme, if the enemy doesn’t understand what you’re doing they are going to make mistakes or leave something exposed because when they expect You to do something else. Very Screaming Raven.
This was awesome! Do more tounaments good breakdown
The image of a Brutalis Dread elbowdroping from a Building is both Terrifying and absourtly awesome
The techmarine was the best painted model Paul, how does that make you feel?
I would love to go to a weird tournament. I imagine nearly all of them being a sort of "power-game-off", which is more like esports and I'm just not as interested. But I guess they can be wacky as well. I would love that. Congrats on getting to go and doing so well
This list is actually quite solid!
6 Cents in vanguard is probably the best marines can field at the moment. But good job doing well with the army, nice video! :)
How to solve the problem? Centurions! It didn't work? Use more Centurions!
I really love your style. :D
Been waiting for this one🙏🏼
POSITIVE AFFIRMATION
as per the final chapter's instructions.
Also, you did great. :3
Meltas into C'Tans is goo to bemuse you don't hale the melta bonus. So if its like meta 2, the exa 2 is not halved. I wrecked a C"tn with a Knight Errant (Melta 6 on the big gun)
Modifiers in Rules Commentary - apply division modifiers before applying multiplication modifiers, before applying addition and then subtraction modifiers. So you roll say a 4 with melta 2, the modifiers are 1/2 (C'Taa) +2 (melta) the 1/2 is applied first so damage goes from 4 to 2, thyen add the meta next so it gets the full 2 from that
Paul is humble at stuff
Really like your style of videos 👍
as someone who plays lots of warhammer and is interested in touranments but never been to one. This was really encouraging. I always feel like if i took my try hardest Eldar list to a game I'd get bodied anyway. This makes me think I could take a fun list and still actually compete
this was a brilliant watch, makes me consider going to a tournament with my tau army im building,
It's lovely to hear that your Uber-Chonker worked well and put the fear of god in the Tanks.
I don’t even play 40k, but this was so fun to listen to.
I have a very similar list, but i use eradicators with apothecary. good job on the wins!
So glad that someone shares my (correct)opinion that centurions are cool af.
The phobes lieutenant is such a cool and well excuted idea for this army. And looks cool
A brutalis giving tomb blades the emperors elbow from the top rope is such a good image 😂
I run a vanguard spearhead with my Ravenguard Raptor inspired chapter the Autumn Guard, so glad to hear of someone using it with success. Not sure about centurions though, but to each their own.
Love that techmarine
I really love your tech marine! 😏😏 lmao
That is a fun list.
3:25 Oh god its spreading.
My first very tournie I went to at my local store was a blast. Brought my metal flesh Hivefleet Triglav and went up against a fellow Tyranids vanguard player. First time either of us played a mirror match so it was a lot of fun. One thing I did help him with, similar to you game 2, my opponent had never looked into pyrovores. I had a 2 girls unit chilling mid board (their names are Mel and Burne....yes Melburne) and he tried rushing them with a massive swarm of gargoyles. Overwatch and instantly gone. He tried staying out of my 12" range the rest of the game, but I was forcing his hand. Mid-match I offered him some advice, told him that your blob of nids right here if he moved them I would overwatch and burn HOWEVER if he rushed me with his genestealers, I'd barely be able to kill them and my pyros would be dead. Followed thru, continued on and all that.
End of match, I had no way of dealing with three units of ten genestealers, we both have winged hive tyrants that clashed and spun around in the sky in a fist fight. End of the tourine asked him how he did and he said thanks for the help with flamers cuz he went up against some Salamanders and focused fired that Infernus unit, making sure to not get in range till then.
Love that inverted color marine, love gimic models.
My last tournament my entire concept was just to have fun and be able to table as many bugs as possible. I did fairly well, but more importantly I had an absolute blast. And surprisingly, no one seemed fully ready to deal with someone who embraced the full-on-swarm army list. Bugs bugs bugs! That was many years ago though, I don't really play anymore.
Are you using the Golden Sun battle music when you talk about the C' Tan? Dude mad props for using that music!
That tech marine paint job is inspirational.
As someone going to their first highly competitive 40k tournament in a little over a week, your experience really lessened my worries that I'm going to end up playing a bunch of WAAC crazies vs people that want to have a great time, just with strong lists.
good video very much enjoyed also screw smug steve how dare he be so smug
The golden sun music !!!!
"How about 4 C'tans"
I did a geniune spit take
Good on you man a fantastic fun-focused positive mindset which we need to see more of at LGS tournaments rather than the rules bitching lawyerS I've come to despise :D
You: game one deployment zone map
Me: Italy
Captain in Phobos armor and ghostweave cloak.
Two 3 man centurion assault squads, one if flamers, one with melta.
Two 6 man centurion devastator squads, both with lascannon and missles
One Ballistus dreadnaught
One Brutalis Dreadnaught
TWO stormraven gunships to carry the assault squads and dreadnaughts.
Thanks for the inspiration
Tbh you could try splashing in an apothecary in place of that smash captain to buff you centurions. Might be something to look into
Your Techmarine is so cool
Cool video. Was wondering where u got the hammer on the jumpack guy? At 2.54 in the video. Is there a special place i can buy one i think it looks really cool.
It's from the deathwatch veterans box
@PaulIsBadAtStuff i found it thank you so much.
Interesting report! All of your games seemed to use not enough terrain though? Looking at the one vs the necrons and there is barely anything to really block line of sight? I feel that helps shooting armies too much. Also, are the dimensions of the playing field right? Shouldn't the sides have more of a difference in length?
I played a game against a buddy other week at our LGS. He brought a standard grey knights list, I brought a Hypercrypt list with 3 C’tan, a doomsday ark, a monolith, and a doomstalker for good measure. I came in off a 5 game losing streak and watching my void dragon solo two dread knights in as many turns felt incredible
The other guys at the LGS said I was a bad person….
ah yes the shards of ancient star gods are scary
That was cool , but whats the big orange model with the funny axe in your army .
12:07 I had a simmilar game last week.
But I was playing world eaters so marching bombs up the board made things easier
4 C'tan is the 40k equivalent of the Heresy player with 6 dreadnoughts in his army
I really like fun and unique lists! Would 10/10 play against you and have fun. I’m sick of meta lists and just want to play what I think is cool.
My man had a plan and the Emperor approved.
Where are the jumpacks you use for your vanguard vets from? they dont looks they are a from a Gw kit
They're from puppetswar 👍
the messenger soundtrack??? subbed!
how i see it is. i won't tell people good moves, but i will help them optimize/argue favourably on a move when it's made.
how many dorns are there lol
llike how is the imperium in shambles when theres two with an astra militarum group lol??
(i know its the tank but i find the idea of the a.m having their own little cloned dorns just too funny