The Joy-Con War Is Over. We Lost.
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The "Joy-Con drift" lawsuits are all dead. Nintendo won the war.
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How is this comment older than the video?
@@RomanSimkins When you upload a video you can keep it private until a scheduled published date, leaving ample opportunity to leave a comment while only you can access the video
@@RomanSimkinsyou can post comments on videos you haven’t uploaded yet I believe
@@RomanSimkins Video was probably private for a while.
I’m honestly going to be pretty upset if the Switch’s successor has drift issues.
Apparently you can fix it with software corrections?
@fluffynator6222 You can't. It's a hardware issue because the bottom of the analog sticks are made of graphite and will occasionally break off and ruin the ability for the stick movements to be read properly. The fact that Nintendo got away with this is disgusting
@@fluffynator6222 there's multiple issues withthe joycons that only fixes a small part of what's the major problem the major problem is the the design of the joy cons themselves
@@toumabyakuya it was wild. people were acting like stick drift was this brand new thing lol.
@@flamingpaper7751
Yes and you can detect those irregularities and even them out. Coming from my professor in game engineering, at least. 🤷
Also: "disgusting" feels over dramatic. Like it's an obvious miscarriage of justice but that feels wording petulant.
I think the main issue with the lawsuits were that they claimed Nintendo designed the Joycons purposefully in a way that they would break down in no time while the more realistic option is that they are just low quality to cut on production cost.
I think the other issue is lots of joy-con get fixed by software updates. I had one on day 1 it got daft after a year but now it the not daft after all the software updates. You look bad if in court and Joy-Con has no draft 😶 .
@@gearoidoconnell5729 You cant fix hardware issues with software updates.
@@gearoidoconnell5729 This is incorrect. Most joy-con drift is a *hardware* issue and cannot be fixed with *software* updates.
@@gearoidoconnell5729software updates don't fix physical problems.
@@JaredGauthier Which is why I agree with marumoru2773, I think the joycons and other controllers are just made more cheaply to cut down on production costs.
I worked at Nintendo of America for their refurbishment department on Switchs for a bit, and yes it is well known that Joycons drift. When we got in the Switchs we had to check the joycons for drift and repair them if they were broken.
how did you repair them ? so i can fix my own
@@kirbybie I would suggest looking up tutorials online but we had a myriad of solutions. We would try to calibrate them on the switch, if that didn’t work we would try to run an update on the joycons. If that didn’t work usually you would have to take it apart and check the internals and replace the whole stick.
@TheJasonmanguy I heard or read somewhere that Nintendo will fix them for free? I have never had any issues, but I got an OLED. They are white and awesome. I dont want to replace them. Can I send them to Nintendo and they can fix them for free?
@@Mr.Peanut1986 I’m not sure if they do it for free anymore but you can send them in for repair.
@@TheJasonmanguy OK, thank you very much. I hope it doesn't come to that. But, thank you.
I wish some more people talked about the other issue with joy-cons: when old, they tend to slide off the switch just a tad, without having pressed the back button to slide them off. I swear I have never not pressed that button to slide them off, and yet without fail my joycons slightly slide off when played in handheld. It's like they can't handle the weight of the switch anymore.
ALSO sometimes, they disconnect randomly from my switch as well, acting as if they lost all charges. This happens to me while playing splatoon. If I slide them on and off again, the problem stops.
Seriously even without drift there are issues! I hope the switch 2's supposed magnetic-linked joy-cons will solve these issues
Mine have the exact opposite problem! I put on the side things with the wrist straps on them sometimes when I play the switch on the tv and when I go to unattach them they just REFUSE to slide off! They come off eventually but it’s still annoying! Also, wouldn’t they fall off easier if they used magnets to attach them?
Oh and with my other joycon, the led lights that show which player you are (the square ones on the side) do not work at all for some reason! The controller itself is fine but it’s just the led lights that don’t work
I also have this problem! My joycons are so scratched up now cause they keep sliding off of my switch when I carry it around, it actually ended up breaking the left shoulder button. Now theres issues with getting them connected too aparently theres something wrong with the attachment rail I have to like press it in harder to get it to connect.
Yeah the "locking" mechanism for both of my Joy-Cons do NOT work at all. They still sort of stay on, like they're not completely lose, but it's enough to cause discomfort. I think Arlo mentioned that his OLED's were doing the same thing here.
You can have them repaired. I always had them back within 2 weeks, and pay like 12,- for the repair cost.
Can Nintendo at least give us an official Nintendo-brand coffin to store our dead Joy-Cons in?
Use your left over Nintendo Labo Cupboard to craft them.
😂🤣😂🤣
Insert coffin dance here
They’re missing out on millions of money
Sure, that'll be $79.99 before tax.
One of the best Christmas gifts of the past few years was when my brother-in-law gave me a pair of joycon that were pre-modded with brand new thumbsticks that should never drift.
Do they still work fine? If so, pass me the link to em’!
Hall effect joysticks and triggers daily they are so damned good Nintendo NEEDS to switch to them
@@unclesquidy285 I guess ALPS gave Nintendo (and the two other "big'uns") too good of a deal on their pointers to pass them up.
Of course, most third-party controller assemblers moved on to magnetic pointers and are better for it, unlike the industry at large.
Guessing you mean the Gulikit HALL sensor thumbsticks?
@@esk8jaimes Just any hall effect sticks really
The first thing I did for my joycons was to replace the plastic rail clips with metal ones, and the second thing was to replace the sticks with hall effect replacements. My joycons are still the original pair that came with my switch, which is the original launch model switch, and with those modifications, they still work flawlessly. No drift, and they lock into the rails securely.
Dang I wish this was an option, since we have to shell out money for new joy cons anyway couldnt we just pay to have them upgraded?
How does one get these parts and do this themselves? I'm interested. I dont want my joy cons to let me down, ever!
@@Mr.Peanut1986 UA-cam seems to like to instantly delete comments that reference products or websites... but I'll try one more time. Gulikit makes hall effect joycon stick replacements, and you can search for joycon replacement latches to find sets similar to the ones I got. UA-cam and ifixit have everything you need so far as instructions for joycon disassembly.
@@Mr.Peanut1986Amazon.
I did nothing to mine and they still like new
Planned Obsolescence is a really scummy practice, not only does it hurt consumers it is also bad for the environment.
Most radioactive waste comes from discarded electronics, and I think that should incentivize companies to make them more sustainable.
I love my switch, and I love a lot of Nintendo's output, but they gotta be transparent.
Every Tech Company has to be transparent with this stuff.
I doubt they planned it to happen, but it sure was fucking convenient. Just ended up in more joycon sales, purposeful or not... of course they wouldn't fix them if they don't legally have to. Fucking ridiculous
Damn. Joycons are now all cons and no joy! 😢
This one got me good, congrats
LMAO
@trgabrielgf lol you're welcome. Honestly I made this joke years ago when I first saw and felt how bad the joycons were...and of course, all their...design problems 😅
Good thing there's pros. (Controller)
I always thought that :D
I like my Switch but I put off buying one for years because I thought the buttons were too small and cramped I'd get RSI. I own a Vita, a PSP and a DS Lite and this is the first time playing a handheld has given me wrist pains.
My joycons literally came with drift on Day 1. Literally the launch of the console, brought it home, booted up BotW. Stepped away when I got on top of the tutorial tower on the great plateau and I heard Link jump off and die from the other room. Got my pro controller that day too.
That’s unlucky as hell
My pro controller drifts.
That's rough buddy
@@chrislevack405I have two pro controllers and they both drift.
@@chrislevack405 Yeah my pro controller drifts too.
"I am taking preliminary steps to clean my room. Stay tuned." LOL
Animal Crossing killed my ProControllers, too. I fixed my Controllers once and forever by inserting HallSensor Sticks. They now never break again, but also allow so much smother control.
The Drift is too powerful... Their lawyers have been listening to Running In The 90s the whole time.
They spent all Night of Fire to get the joycons to be Manual
dude i was just listening to that today
@@user-hb3fi3vn2w They worked all night cause "Nobody sleeps in Tokyo"
I got a switch pro controller 2 years ago and it developed severe drift in both sticks just over a year after I bought it (with a 1 year warranty). I asked them about the free repair/replacement program, and they said "There is no design issue with the Joy-Con controllers, and no widespread proactive repair or replacement effort is underway" which I screenshotted because it reminded me of "There is no war in Ba Sing Se." It's genuinely shocking to me that Nintendo not only didn't communicate clearly that they were doing so, but actually denied it when asked.
Weird, because when I sent my original Joy-cons in just recently, they said that they would fix the issue for free if I sent them in. I bought the system when it came out, so mine were way out of warranty.
If Iwata was still around they would be owning up to their problems.
Yeah thats bullshit, you can still send in joycons to get fixed why are you lying for fake internet points?
My pro controller had drift on the left thumbstick too, I just opened up the controller and cleaned out the dust, works fine now no issues
I always found the talk about pro controllers drifting interesting, because I got my Switch and pro controller within the same month as each other (so probably manufactured in the same window) and I’ve had to replace both my joy con sticks, but my pro controller functions completely fine even after using it as my go-to controller for Switch and primary PC controller for years. I’m not trying to deny anything, I’m just saying it’s interesting to me how inconsistent it seems, as opposed to joy con drift being more like an inevitability by this point.
My twenty year old gamecube controller still works fine after two whole decades. Meanwhile, modern day joy-cons last only a few months before they suffer stick drift. Sadly, when Iwata died, so did Nintendo's care for quality controllers.
Me: _silently praying that my joycons don't drift since they haven't yet_
So am I. I bought a LE charcoal grey model because I think the red/blue aesthetic is kinda ugly, so I don't think I can get replacement joycons
"Preliminary steps to clean my room" - me at 32 when I pick up a sock and put it in the hamper and then collapse into a chair
Still more than Nintendo lol. You should be proud
Your icon makes me think of holding the X and B buttons on a Joy-Con.
@@RickWhitechest and 2 ps vita thumbsticks
@@Anna-dd4rh As someone who has a hard time cleaning my room due to mental health and stuff... this is affirming haha
Its gets better at 37. You won't be able to find any socks...
Even cheap chinese emulation handhelds have hall-effect sticks in them. There is ZERO excuse to not include them in a real video game console
excuse? no.
actual reason? yes.
PEOPLE. CAN'T. BOYCOTT.
The excuse is it costs money, you don't have to like it but its pretty simple
@Lucarioguild7 To such a negligible percentage of the items overall cost that it does not matter.
The only reason not to have them at this point, is to prey on your consumers.
Sega did it in the 90s but here we are with the big 3 making lower quality controllers than the Chinese third parties.
If you know Nintendo's console development history you know they are looking to save that dime fraction wherever they can find opportunity to do so.
We all love Game Boys and have fondly memories but the reality is that they were hot garbage even for their time with that incredibly shitty screens. We bougth millions of them regardless.
Like one mentioned above, people can't boycott. 🤷🏾♂️
class action lawsuits: the lawyers make millions, and claimants each get $3.75 after filling out hours of forms
"There is no joy-con drift in Ba Sing Se."
It's not just their joy-cons, because even the pro controllers drift. I wanted one for a long time, and decided to finally bite the bullet and get the special TotK edition controller last year. It felt comfortable in my hands, and controlled beautifully at first, but it started drifting after just a few months of use. It was incredibly disappointing...
I have that same TOTK Pro Con yet mine hasn’t drifted yet
@@vortexluigirosalina5557 I hope yours remains okay
@@AyameSohma1993 mine is ok for now
@@AyameSohma1993my splatoon one hasn't drifted at all yet either
There have been reports of ps5 and Xbox controllers drifting as well so it isn’t just a Nintendo issue but the joycons seem to be the most likely to drift
Reminder that the DREAMCAST had hall effect sticks. Sega, of all companies, already eliminated this problem entirely by using what was (at the time) new technology... that has since been abandoned in favour of planned obsolescence.
Reminder that Saturn had these first. So since the mid 90s we’ve had the technology. Costs nothing. The real reason is potentially consumers will just get new ones when drift gets bad. Nintendo is cheap with hardware so I’m not surprised.
The problem comes from who they get the analogs from. PS4/5, Xbone/series SX, switch all use the same company for their analog and they all fail
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 No, all analog sticks have this same problem, they wear out.
@@Masaim6 but they shouldn't wear out this fast.
@@TheRegularHedgehog575 This is why all of them should use hall effect sticks.
Players: We've got witnesses, precedent, and a paper trail a mile long.
Nintendo: Yes, well, I have ten high priced lawyers!
It is important to note that these lawsuits were specifically about Nintendo doing this maliciously. The lawsuits were about if faulty controllers were built like this purposefully with the intention to sell more units down the line. The fact that Nintendo won these does not mean that Nintendo can't be held accountable for creating bad products. But That's a really hard thing to pin them down on, especially because Nintendo is far from the only AAA studio with this kind of issue in the current generation. It's just Nintendo's great success with the Switch that draws special attention to the Joycons, simply because more people own a Switch than a PS5.
My mom gave me the TOTK OLED and game last year while in the final stages of brain and lung cancer. It was my final bday gift from her and it means so much to me now. I’ve had days of utter dread fearing that drift was beginning. I know it’s just a device but it’s my last and final connection and example of my mom’s endless desire to bring me joy and spend a crazy amount of money to give me the best of whatever I’m into. I’m about to be 40 so it’s not like I couldn’t buy my own but it’s special to me. I truly wish Nintendo didn’t drop the ball here. As much as I love the switch, the games, my OLED and the company itself, this is one thing I dread. I have 4 pair of useless joy cons I may eventually send in one day but it shouldn’t be an issue at all. These are EXPENSIVE controllers and I’m not good at making time and effort to send something like this off to get them fixed. I’ll just buy new ones and they know most of us will. It’s the best example of the company that serves us so well with entertainment not serving us in the slightest when the bottom dollar is at risk. Any legit joy con should be swapped no questions asked at any retailer at Nintendo’s dime. Then they do the fixes and resale refurbished cons. I’d buy fixed ones from them and I’d trade mine without complaining but sending them off for a few months and learning how to even do it is a joke.
My condolences
Sorry for your loss.
It makes sense. You can easily prove that JoyCon drift is real. Proving it was _intentional_ though, that's a lot harder
That surprised me that the case was "intentional", there was no need to go that far... plenty of evidence there's a problem
At this point it is definitly intentionial
@@gang-ridertv5433I mean the fact that ps5 controllers have drift as well shows it could very well be a common manufacturing issue rather than intentionally making faulty joycons
@@gang-ridertv5433 in a moral sense, i absolutely and totally agree. but courtrooms dont work that way, if you dont have proof, you dont have a case, and intent in these kind of cases is really really hard, especially with the kind of money nintendo likely pumped into lawyers.
@@Domarius64 And more importantly, plenty of evidence they knew it was a problem and continued to do nothing about it. You could probably build a pretty solid lawsuit around that.
It is this reason why the Switch will be my last Nintendo console and I am a huge Nintendo fanboy.
I haven't had any drift with my oled joycons yet, its been 3 years, and I'm glad they're still working so well
We do what caused the problem - pieces of metal rubbed out. Plenty of people took them apart and looked at them. Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made some tweaks to make them more reliable last a bit longer. Hopefully the Switch 2 uses Hall Effect.
Hardly. Most game companies know that Hall Effects are too long lasting to be worth putting in their gaming peripherals. That's why they still stick with potentiometers. It makes them more money in the long run. Best you can do is take apart your joycons and pro controllers and install Hall Effect sticks. Cheaper to do than buying new OEM peripherals, and easier than you'd expect.
@@kenseidawanderer Nintendo is known to create durable products, though.
Rather than a Switch 2, I want a GameCube 2
@@logicalfundy Usually, but the Switch has been having constant stick drifting problems. Usually, they would try to mitigate that in some sort of way.
I do think they improved it, or maybe I’ve just been really lucky. All 4 of my original JoyCon had drift (one took longer to get it than the rest), and the 3 I sent in for repairs in 2019, all are still good. The last one I sent in just last week, funny enough
I don’t think it was planned obsolescence but Nintendo should’ve done better. Weren’t the skyward sword joy fixed?
A lot of the later Joy-cons have the fixes that make them, at the very least, drift resistant. Like Arlo said there are very few (reported) issues with Oled Joy-con.
So yeah, it doesn't really come across as planned obsolescence
Yup. I got Skyward Sword joycons at launch and they are fine still.
I have a switch OLED and I’ve not had any Gond drift.
Making something with the cheapest materials possible is planned obsolescence. Even if you don't think it's intentional (I think it is but I wouldn't say for sure, Nintendo is a strange company after all), it' still reducing its lifetime (and quality) for the sole purpose of obtaining more benefits.
@@ayoshi4725 There's companies like Neca, When you look at them up their own description for their company is they make perishable goods when they're supposed to be making these high quality figures that's a bit of a red flag right there considering a majority of their figures they produce end up breaking.
I have like 12 pair (yes, pair) of joy-cons and i usually use them in small event letting many many people try out my Switches (like 200 people per event for 10-20 hours for a weekend). So they are very well used. I did have joy-con drift on 2 pair (after 2 years!) and i used the small cardboard fix and they have been good ever since! Most of the issue cause either dirt stucking under the analogue sticks or more commonly the whole joy-con just getting bit more loose. The local Nintendo repair shop fixes them for free, but i haven't yet needed to bring my joy-cons in. I am pretty sure this was not intentional, but they did not tested the durability for the correct way to realize that these controllers can get loose or dirty like this which causes the drift. I really do hope they will be more aware and test their controllers more carefully in the future though.
I’ve also noticed the drift problem has not occurred on the joycons that came with my OLED. It does feel like maybe they’ve finally fixed the issue but it’s hard to say
“You know, when I was younger….. I used to think you were cool” -that one hotdiggedydemon animation
"Even though these are perfectly fine I'm going to replace them; for absolutely no reason."
@@Greendawn-di3dl "A completely arbitrary decision"
the voice he did in that video was lowkey racist tho, got weird vibes
@@ducksfolif977 nah it was funny to me
@@ducksfolif977 You really gotta try HARD to "get weird vibes" from something so innocent. You know what, screw it. You're racist now, because I said so.
Turns out the real Joy was in the Cons we did along the way
The cons we fell for along the way
The Cons Nintendo can get away with the Nintendrones
@@joshriley2936 And the simps who gaslit us
Between this channel and TopicArlo we are eating so good lately
I knew about the drift going in, which is why when I went to Wal-Mart to buy BotW I told the girl running the electronics section that I wanted an alternate controller for my Switch. She knew EXACTLY what I was talking about and directed me to a retro controller set.
The only time I have ever used the joycons is when I had to for the gyro puzzles in BotW and had a tiny bit of drift that was easily solved, but going in knowing this was a thing is why I decided to never use them.
Ps5 has the same exact issues. To the point that even their $200 controller has replaceable sticks because they're built to break. Though no one really complains about the ps5 controllers
This actually just started happening to one of my PS5 controllers two days ago
No where as often as the switch's joycons. The outcry would be much more prevalent if it happened with nearly every dualsense.
My two dual senses work just fine, despite me using them both daily (one for pc one for ps5). I hope it stays this way 😢
I just bought a PS5 a few days ago and I was really hoping drift wouldn’t be an issue. I’m not surprised at all that it is an issue with the dual sense controller, but MAN, this sucks. I have two sets of joy cons and both of the left ones have drift, I also have a series x controller with drift as well as a 360 controller that I haven’t used in years
IDK if something changed but I've had the same PS4 control for 5 years. The joy cons I have went out in 2 with me only playing pokemon and zelda.
The joycons are the worst quality official controllers I have ever used
N64 enters chat
@justinhansen4941 Idk man, that n64 controller has survived many years of my aggressive mario party abuse
Genuinely true. Even aside from drift they're horrible in so many other ways.
Same. Mine haven't drifted but only because they're so awful that I never use them. They're too dang small for my big fat man paws to comfortably use.
Those weird AA battery attachments gave them more bulk to hold onto but I still would have liked longer joycon with the buttons spaced farther apart. Like the Wiimote.
@@justinhansen4941 I never had any issues with my N64 controllers but I did have an issue with a third-party one and ever since I’ve chosen not to buy any third-party controllers of any systems that I’ve owned over the years.
Literally every single joycon I’ve owned has drifted.
The cleaning the room analogy was spot-on.
For me it’s not just the Joy-Con, the drift also happens with my Pro-controller for the Switch.
Same!
same thing happened to me. i got a new one. the same day the old one stopped drifting and worked fine. -_-
It does seem to be a lot less prevalent with the pro-controller. I've had two pairs of joycons and one pro controller, ALL 4 JOYCONS got some amount of drift. pro controller didn't
It's a lot less common in Pro Controllers though.
My original Pro Con is already drifting badly now smash bros one or Tears of the Kingdom could be next
I have a day one PS2 controller that has been with me through 7 moves, a spilled cup of tea and the flooding a basement and it only has very inor drift in the left stick that goes away when i flick the stick in the opposite direction of the drift and doesn't come up again for months. My PS4 controller I've had for 6 years works as good as the day I bought it. I've been through 4 sets of joycons because of drift and I'm just like Arlo, I take immaculate care of my things. I am so careful with all of my things. It's so frustrating
I believe the main problem with the sticks was that the way they were designed made it so dust and grime can easily get into the sensing part of the stick because the dome is on the outside as opposed the the inside like the pro controller if that makes sense.
I got joycons early, got an RMA number, but they never sent the shipping label, and 2 years later, closed the support ticket even after we were contacting them. Really feels bad.
My brand new switch lite CAME with drift on the left stick. I had to replace it the day I got it. The replacement developed a deadzone on the backwards/down direction on the left side stick after about 8 months and I've just been dealing with it since. Replaced the stick myself since by then it was out of warranty, and it only restored partial sensitivity, but it's better than nothing. I've been waiting to see what the next console is to decide what I'm replacing it with.
My roommates also both have standard switches and had to buy multiple pairs of joycons within the first two years after drift developed on 3 of the sets (usually the left side, no idea what it is about the left side.) The most strenuous games they play are like.. pokemon/animal crossing, so it's not like these are even getting very heavily used.
There is no reason the same issue should have been present in this number of products, given our small sample size. While I don't think it was purposefully busted on Nintendo's part, it's an issue they simply decided not to fix for a while, which was a big problem for families who did not have the money to constantly replace the hardware (and didn't know about/have access to the repair programs.).
I will say that it seems like our newer joycons haven't developed the issues the older ones did, so our experience aligns with yours in that regard. Hopefully it's mostly resolved by now, even if they were weirdly quiet about it. I'd be happier if they had made better efforts towards transparency and compensation. Here's hoping we'll see more durable structure on whatever is coming next.
if they're mainly playing games like pokemon and animal crossing l'd say it makes perfect sense that it's mainly their left joycon that starts drifting,, you constantly use the left joystick to walk around and go through menus, whereas you only occasionally use the right joystick to move the camera (and only if you feel the need to do so). Of course the joystick that is used constantly wears down faster than the one you only use every now and then
Princess Peach Showtime had no D-Pad support. The D-Pad has no mapped action in the game, despite it functionally being no more '3D' than a Streets of Rage. Why does Nintendo have this expectation that A) we have a functioning control stick and B) we prefer that over the precision of a D-Pad for non-3D games?
That's ridiculous! Even Contra: Operation Galuga had D-Pad controls, and that came out 10 DAYS BEFORE SHOWTIME DID! How are third parties doing 10x better than first parties? I'm pretty sure like 80% of my Switch library is consisted of third party titles, compared to the maybe 20% of first party ones, and I think I'm starting to see why... maybe it was a good idea to hold off on the Paper Mario remake. I'm worried they might've screwed the controls up on that too.
Tbh, even if it did have dpad support I probably wouldn’t use it. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have dpad support, but the joycon direction buttons aren’t great and the dpad genuinely sucks on the pro controller.
reminds me of how the D-pad wasnt used at all for Ocarina of Time (due to the terrible design of the N64 controller) and how the randomizer communities for OoT and Majoras Mask added button inputs for the D-pad allowing a quick use function for: the Ocarina, boots swapping, and the main tranforming masks.
Well the control stick is still going to drift your character any direction it wants whether you use it or not. And I can’t believe you actually use the tiny shitty little gumdrops Nintendo calls a “dpad”
I unironically think the D-buttons exist because of Kirby. They suck in literally any other gameseries, but they are wonderful for 2D Kirby gameplay.
As a casual gamer it was frustrating to buy so many joy cons. My n64 controller sill works with no drift.
I've got 2 pairs of joycons that've either got drift, the lights don't work, the SL/SR buttons don't work on 2 of them, and some of the buttons need to be pressed in fully to work. They're frustrating to use, but I'm holding out on buying a third pair in case the new console has backwards compatibility with new non-drift controllers, and also in case the joycons aren't compatible with it
dude one day you should get a small puppet and introduce it as your nephew even have your irl nephew do the voice. not as like an ongoing thing but as a lil bit of lore on this mysterious nephew thats always playing your switch. it could be alot of fun
No scrappy doos.
I second this idea, very creative!
@@magicsack scrappy doo was a regular member of the cast. I do NOT want that
I think it’d also be fine if the little puppet was mute but stood in for the real nephew’s opinions as a young Nintendo fan. For protection’s sake, his voice may also want to be obscured
@@heath6802 hey that’s a good idea
That was worth the whole video for the "I've been taking preliminary steps to cleaning my room..." bit 😆
Just booted up my Switch for the first time in months, and the card select screen was just running away. The stciks don't feel any bit wibbly, so I figured maybe one of them was just stuck a teensy bit off center. Mine are the packed in Switch 1.1 (longer battery life model). Once I got in game, and wiggled the sticks around randomly, Link stood in place as expected.
Disappointing, and if they ever completely fail, I won't be buying first party replacements, and certainly won't be getting the Switch 2, but that's also because I just didn't get into the Switch as much as I thought I would. Sad that my PS3 controller has outlived them in years, and hours, and I do have pretty bad deadzone in the LS.
Does the Switch have a deadzone calibration menu?
The problem of the joycon controller is the potentiometers in the sticks are weak so the contacts break down and that causes the stick resistance to drop and the powder of the contacts of the potentiometer and that creates voltage noise in the stick and that is the analogue drift
It's pretty laughable that anyone would defend this and that the courts let Nintendo get away with such a blatant design flaw. I bought my Switch when the console launched along with a pro controller, which I have put hundreds of hours of play into on both the Switch and on PC without issues. The only times the joycons were in use were during some trips or when a friend came over and we played Smash Bros Ultimate together. Even so the joycons started drifting in spite of bare minimum use of what is expected of a packaged in controller.
Just absolutely ludicrous that they got away with this.
Sounds to me like a problem caused by bad storage.
@@toumabyakuya If sitting in the dock pretty much all day or being inside a specifically made case to protect the Switch since it was bought count as "bad storage".
Sure, whatever you say.
It's also laughable that the United States courts allow companies to stall out the legal process till either:
1. The other party can no longer afford to keep the process going.
2. Till the console's generation is at the end of its lifespan causing you to have to repeat the entire process AGAIN for the next console.
It perfectly reasonable and absolutely deserved that they "got away with it". The courts confirmed it wasn't intentional, Nintendo offered free repairs, and the issue was fixed. What more could you want?
@@luckywizard_ Dude, any and all legal processes are this long, some are even longer. That is the norm.
I can only imagine that proving planned obsolescence in court would be a nightmare if it was illegal - and it isn't, which is crazy to me
Nintendo can easily do malicious compliance.
"You want proof? Okay, here's the minutes of every Switch related meeting going back to 2015. Here's all the emails with the word "switch" in them".
Just bury the other side in paperwork.
That's just it. In the end, nothing Nintendo did was technically illegal. They did release a faulty product and willfully ignored the issue, but at worst all that can do is hurt their brand image. And just like we see with the end of the video, in most cases their customer loyalty is too strong for even that to matter.
On the topic of no other controllers having drift...
The only controller I've had drift problems with was a Wii U pro controller... but it wasn't even a official product, it's one of those "Afterglow" brand controllers (It still works properly, I just need to take the batteries out every so often to reset the controller lol).
happened to me, i can't afford new joy cons, but i did the small piece of thick paper under the joycon trick and it works wonderfully for nearly a year now.
Get ready for the Switch 2 featuring the Joycon 2: Tokyo Drift.
To fast to drift.
Looking forward to Crowbcat's video especially
Oh well, stay tuned for the next Joycon Drift 2.0 folks.
See you all on the next Switch release 😉🤙
Why'd they do that though? Like it's just negative PR and repair costs
@@fluffynator6222 Side 2 opener of Dark Side Of The Moon by Pink Floyd.
I had one from my pair from launch drift and sent them in. Picked up a new pair while I waited just for one of those to start drifting an hour after being opened. Not to mention when I got my repair ones back, the one that was drifting randomly will disconnect for a second sometimes.
It is a shame that there’ll be no retribution for that or the probably thousands of other instances like it but guess we should have expected this 😔
My first pair of joy cons got a nasty drift and some buttons stopped working. I brought them to the free repair service and it took 5 months for them to send me a new pair of joy cons back (I'm not from the US).
I have been with this "new" controllers since 2020 and they drift from time to time but I clean them with isopropyl alcohol and that solves the issue momentarily
Maybe the only way for us to really know whether the drift was/is intentional or not at this point is to see whether this kind of thing happens again with the Switch 2 controllers?
“The switch felt rushed to market…”
THANK YOU!!! I’ve literally been saying this since joy con drift began. Nintendo has usually made hardware that is high quality, but because they were forced to get the switch out in as little time as possible due to the Wii U’s failure, it’s very obvious that big problems weren’t discovered soon enough and that normal durability tests just weren’t done as often
Ps5 and Xbox series controllers also have drift issues.
Not saying the switch wasn’t relatively rushed but it’s not just a Nintendo issue
It was the type of sensor that they were using. They were using a physical contact sensor that is prone to damage. There was a person who was making and selling a hall effect modification that is great and a wonderful replacement.
After about 6 weeks of use, and a or 6 months of use, I get my tools and just clean the sticks using 50% alcohol, and a toothbrush/cotton it cleans out the dust that builds up super fast because of the amount of of space available compared to ANYTHING else they have ever released (controller wise) and after 4 years of continued on/off usage, I get some connection issues, but no stick drift, and I only just learned about 3 months ago how the console get's connected to the controllers, so that may just be the issue there. I also had my dog run and crash into my console ( I was using the legend of Zelda controller that connected to the switch, so that of course caused more issues, and only recently did I break the replacements,) so all in all, every issue I had was from my own user error. But!!! I do know it does exist, and after a while of use without proper cleaning, it the dust is strong enough to degrade further the sticks. So I am glad we won.
3:20 Get it? He's fighting a square and he's sponsored by Square Space :D
Since I play handheld-mode almost exclusively, I've gotten very familiar with the Joycons, and I have to say - while they have been decent enough, the drift is absolutely a real thing, and it's a very real potential hindrance.
I remember right around the time the pandemic started, my original gray Joycons began having issues with both sticks drifting upwards. It affected every game differently, but it was most noticeable in New Horizons, where my character would start slooooooowly inching to the north sometimes if I set the Switch down on my desk. It got worse and worse as the months wore on, to the point that even hunting for bugs became an issue (especially tarantulas/scorpions, since you need to time your movement to get close to those!).
I ended up buying a set of red/blue Joycons next, and while those worked pretty well, last year the left stick began having leftward drift. Once again, it was small and affected every game differently, but it was very real - I'd pull up the map in Pokemon Violet and the cursor would actively be sneaking away, with the accompanying sound effect and everything. I ended up having to recalibrate the sticks, and while that did seem to "fix" the issue, I'm absolutely expecting it to rear its ugly head again sometime in the future... not to mention the fact that my X button is now having problems of its own.
While it's disappointing that the lawsuits didn't pan out, I have a gut feeling that Nintendo basically dragged their feet the whole time specifically to wear out the patience of the people suing them. Much as I love the Switch and its library of games, its sheer success has enabled a lot of the worst corporate habits like this.
I had a launch switch, and also bought a pro controller. I played handheld vs docked about 50/50, and just before the OLED launched my launch Joycons started to drift. I bought a new pair (wanted a second set with different color anyway) and eventually arranged for Nintendo to replace the originals (which they did with no objections). Shortly after that I got an OLED. Since I got the OLED, I’ve played much more handheld. I’d say I’ve put about 2x the hours on the OLED Joycons now, and no drift. Also, the second set bought right around the time of OLED launch are fine too, though they see a lot less use. Also have several friends with similar stories. All launch day Switches, all had some degree of drift issues. At some point, all of them wound up with post-OLED joycons, either through upgrade or Nintendo drift replacements, and those Joycons have all been fine.
I suspect the dismissals are a combination of Nintendo doing a bare minimum of “make it right” actions (the half of a public statement, and the offer of replacements) and the improvement of later Joycons to make them at least last longer. The lawyers representing the class actions probably got to see a lot more internal info about the issue that we will never see. What Nintendo knew, when they knew it, what the cause of the problem actually was, and what Nintendo did to later Joycons to improve their lifetime. I’m guessing the lawyers for the class actions saw that info, and concluded that while Nintendo PR might have been better handled, Nintendo internally did their best (ie the issue wasn’t planned obsolescence, and Nintendo made a reasonable effort to develop and release a fixed version). So the lawyers probably looked at all that, realized that Nintendo had bungled the PR, more than the actual product, and didn’t think they would have a solid case if they proceeded.
Taking these cases this far probably still cost Nintendo a good chunk in legal fees, and that could have been a dismissal consideration too - maybe given that the “wrong” was actually less than publicly perceived, the cost of litigating it was deemed a reasonable punishment, and Nintendo internally knows they only got by because they did some things right that we won’t ever know about, and that if they hadn’t, it probably would be much worse for them. For example if OLED era Joycons were still having the same failure rate, then like you said, this would probably be a much bigger stink, and Nintendo would not get let off so easily. I suspect that you nailed it when you said this issue just hit a sweet spot between not big enough to matter and big enough that they would know they needed to be on top of it. But that given the grey area of it, they probably managed to do just enough right that it made for a weak case.
pretty much why i went with a split pad pro as early as i could. granted, they're not wireless, so i can't play in docked mode with them. but i've never had an issue with them, outside of the rubber on one of the joysticks coming off entirely. tried looking for a replacement, but can't find them in red like original look
I'm mad that they were able to get away with accidentally selling a faulty product... The SECOND they realized this was happening (which they did, as they seemed to have fixed the issue in newer joy-cons) they should have done recalls. But I guess that would be TOO EXPENSIVE (like a flipping Minecraft anvil).
My biggest issue of all is just how despite this massive issue with the controllers, Joy-cons are still more expensive than the actual games themselves. These little plastic controllers with drifting problems costs more than the games that took years of development time, coding, and artistry to make.
I guarantee the price is simply because of two reasons:
1) Nintendo, at least where I live, does not sell JoyCons separately - only in a pair.
2) They know damn well you require them, so the price is jacked up - They may not have intentionally caused the drift issues, but they are not against taking advantage and forcing you to pay out the nose if you get drift. It makes them money.
@@DJEevee257 You can get a pair for 30-35 as long as you don't care it's not from Nintendo. XD
Is it an algorithm thing to interrupt youtube videos with the sponsor segment? I'm so used to Arlo doing that part right at the beginning that I was surprised to see it happen in this one.
At least he didn't do the "But do you know what's also related to the video?" with a cheeky smirk.
Yeah, when people see an ad at the beginning/end they tend to just skip it or click off the video, so putting it in the middle makes it less likely for them to skip it if they're just watching in the background or something
You can just use sponsorblock you know
@@maup2900 It don't really mind it. I just liked how Arlo makes it very clear when it's happening, and usually does it right at the start. So it was surprising to see him suddenly interrupt the video for it.
I have honestly always felt that when people said that their joycon's never got drift that they were the kind of people who never played in handheld mode, never took their switch with them everywhere on the go, and never played like intense games that constantly require you to like switch between directions like Splatoon or Zelda for extended periods of time. I know personally I have had to send back my OLED Joy-Cons two times because they started getting drift and before then I had four different pairs of Joy-Cons because I like the pretty colors and I think in total I probably had to send my Joy cons to Nintendo like three times. like I've probably had at least a total of 10 Joy-Cons that needed to be repaired and sent to Nintendo and I was a late joiner to the Nintendo switch franchise because I just didn't have the money, I've only had my switch and my old lead for about 4 years so the fact that in 4 years I've had to send my Nintendo switch Joy Cons back to Nintendo multiple different times to get them fixed whether it's the oled version or the vanilla version is something and that they should be ashamed of, I think something even more shameful is that I have third party Joy-Cons on my switch from hori and I have had these for about a year and a half and they have zero drift and I play with them nearly every day and somehow my other Joy-Cons that are wireless have gotten drift even though I rarely use them because I mostly play in handheld
I didn't even play that much, just a few games of Mario Kart, a bit of Zelda, some totally legit Mario 64 and Pokemon Sword. Damn thing started to drift around ~January 2020
I'll say for myself I've never experience joycon drift but I've gone through 5+ PS4 controllers that have all began drifting. So my theory is it isn't anything special about Nintendo, it's just the industry as a whole is using more shoddy materials to save money.
Same here. The parts in those $75+ controllers are worth no more than a few cents
Mee to
If Iwata was still around, he would absolutely take responsibility and address the issue of drift right when it first came to light. Based on how Nintendo's handled it so far, I can't say the same for Furukawa.
I've got an OLED Switch, and only just recently has the white pair of Joycons started drifting, so the issue hasn't completely gone, but whatever Nintendo did seems to be just more of a band-aid solution.
The only proper way we can be rid of drift is with Hall Magnet sensors in the sticks instead of whatever Nintendo's using currently.
Since when did you have it?
if iwata were around he’d shrug his shoulders because this had nothing to do with nintendo of japan lmao
@yggdrasilsaltar
What do you mean nothing to do with Nintendo of Japan? He was CEO and President of the company.
@@Masaim6 day one
Good god Iwata was a nice man and all but he’s not the reincarnation of christ. He saw the development of the switch and knew the cheapness of the joy cons. He would’ve probably just done what Nintendo did already, offer free repairs and end it at that.
I got the oled when it first came out, and while I haven't experienced drift, what I have experienced is the joycons just...sliding off the switch. As in, I will be holding the switch like normal, NOT pressing the release buttons, and the joycon will slid off. It mostly happens to the left one, but I've had times where the entire monitor just disconnects from the joycons and slides into my lap. I don't know if it's me, since i can be a bit rough on my stuff, or if it's a bigger issue.
I know a lot of people who have suffered joy con drift. I am not one of them. My original Blue joy cons I bought at launch are still kicking, no drifting, these things were baught something like 3 months after release when I was finally able to get the console and scalpers didn't beat me to it yet. No clue if the gray ones that came with the console faired well or not, sold those off once I got my blue ones. And I've put thousands of hours on that old V1 switch. So, there are some of us that just got golden samples in the wild. I will say I had no end of issues with N64 controllers, and Game Cube controllers though. But I've never actually owned a brand new one of either of those, they were all second hand, so someone else broke them in before I got my paws on them. The only thing special I can say I do with my switch and switch lite, is, I put them in their case and turn them completely off when not in use. So, they don't get exposed to a dust in any frequent manner. And while I own smash bros, I havent really put a lot of hours into it specifically so theres that too. but I played a ton of splatoon 2. so.... I dunno.
INSANE they won this suit. At least 1/2 of all pairs I saw before 2020 drifted. Not a single pair of mine made before then didn't.
4/4 of my joy cons developed drift
dismissal does not mean “won”
@@blueditto doesn’t a dismissal mean the court found no basis in the case so in a sense Nintendo won?
@@samantha953 not necessarily.
@@samantha953 from what I understood of the case, it was called for dismissal because it was dragging on for too long and because those hoping to see any money out of it (as it is a class action suit, they don't see money until it is won) are getting fed up with how long it is taking. So they are calling for a dismissal because they want to make money now, not later, basically. At least that is my understanding of the matter anyway. So no, Nintendo didn't really win, more like the other side got fed up with waiting.
"The fight is done. We lost."- Obi Wan Kenobi.
It is a major surprise that what a piece of paper could do to prevent the stick drifting
Question: how much of the problem could be due to them sitting vertically all the time?
Every other controller sits with the stick in the neutral, upright position, but the joy con is fighting gravity in the switch dock.
Arlo I Just KNOIW youre sitting there waiting for paper mario in this final hour just like me. thanks for your videos
Even if Nintendo won the lawsuits regarding these controllers, I imagine they still took the feedback to heart when it came to designing the controllers for the Switch's successor. Even if they refuse to acknowledge the issue, I'd like to hope they've quietly solved it for whatever comes next
They didn’t win
Nintendo never likes to make a huge PR stunt out of the problems. They just fix them
This is one of the few times I have to criticise Nintendo, they should’ve fixed the issues with the joycons.
Copium
@@sahaprocks7751 They got what they wanted, I'd say they won even if the courts didn't
I had this problem in the early days of playing Switch too. But after having bought like 3 pairs of joycons. I can say that mine don’t rlly have problems anymore. My OLED and most recent store bought ones are still good as new!
Got my Switch second-hand in 2019. HAC-001 with original red and blue joycons. I didn't notice it drifting when I got it, but after about 100 hours I needed to recalibrate the L joycon every day, and then it wasn't long before it was unplayable. I replaced the L joystick twice, and when I was putting it back together I stripped a screw. The replacements were either already drifting, or only lasted about 50 hours.
Then I bought the dark blue and fluoro yellow joycons in 2020, and there would be well over 1000 hours on those with no drifting! I even bought a back up pair in the form of the Skyward Sword special editions, but never needed to break the seal on them.
It’s joever
Im bidone
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Joy-wari da 😔
Ha!!
It’s Joyver
It's over... Billions must drift😢
Still running with my launch Switch's original JoyCons. I learned a pretty consistent solution for the drift. Whenever they start to drift, you spray under the stick housing with electrical component cleaner (I use the WD40 brand) and wiggle the stick around for about a minute to clean it out. 9 times out of 10, it fixes the drift for a couple weeks to a month. And that 1 time out of 10, I just try cleaning the stick out again and again, 90% success rate. I honestly think they're just very vulnerable to getting clogged up with either dust or rubbed off plastic.
Joy-Con drift definitely is a thing, and I’ve experienced it with several of my Joy-Cons as well as (I think) with my Pro controller. It’s never been more than an annoyance for me though because Nintendo has always fixed them for me, for free. I’ve never even had to pay for shipping. If people don’t realize they can contact Customer Support and request a repair, honestly, that’s on them. Nintendo’s phone number has been the same for the past 30 years; I’ve had it memorized since I was a kid.
Also it’s worth noting that Nintendo isn’t the only one with this problem. My PS5 and Xbox controllers have also experienced drift. Sony repaired the controller with no problem (though I did have to pay for shipping), but Microsoft basically told me I was SOL because I was out of warranty and I had to take it to a private game repair store to get it fixed. Either way, it wasn’t the end of the world.
I had several pairs drift. A while back I replaced them all with hall effect sticks, which should in theory never degrade the way the stock joysticks do, and sure enough I've not had any more drifting issues since then. Sucks that that's what it takes to get reliable controllers but it's not that expensive and it futureproofs them so I do recommend it
Yeah, I take that over free repairs or getting another set purely because it's the most assured to be a lasting solution.
Tbf I think it being dismissed is less because the involved parties gave up, but more that it's very hard to prove that Nintendo was intentionally making defective products, like that was the conceit of the lawsuits and it's probably more likely that they just *didn't care* enough to fix it, which while that's also bad, it's considered "less bad" legally, and well you can't exactly go "oh well we couldn't prove that they were doing this REALLY shitty thing, but they're still doing this kinda-sorta shitty thing, so our case is still valid?" Since when you sue someone you have to be pretty specific about what you're suing over.
After sending in a few sets of joy cons to their repair, which were relatively quick. I'm not sure they fixed the issue long term as I would get drifting again. So I just bought some joy sticks and watched a tutorial on how to repair them myself. They aren't too bad to fix, and since then I think they've worked pretty good. For me it kind of beats waiting a week or so and having to run out to UPS to send a package.
I've never had Joycon Drift in any 2D Game that I play, but it shows when I play a 3D Game, which force you to use the Joycons to move your character around.
When they announced the Switch Lite with joycons that DONT COME OFF, i felt like walter white screaming "HANK" when all my friends were buying one
For a second I thought I was watching TopicArlo and wanted to comment 'can we just be proud that Arlo managed to get his second channel monetized in a month!?'. In all seriousness though Arlo since the new channel I feel like you've been hitting that 'friendly neighbourhood Nintendo monster' I felt like chatting with during the 2017-2020 era. Its really great to have both channels!!
I've never had Joycon drift issues, but I have had a couple of Joycons have constant disconnection problems to the point where I couldn't use them anymore. Another one had its ZR button get stuck.
Welp, there goes whatever credibility the Nintendo seal used to have
Wouldn't them winning the lawsuits mean the seal is intact?
@owenmenning3878 the only reason they won is cuz of a scummy "you can't sue us" clause in their EULA so uhhh not really
@@lssjgaming1599 ......You can't use EULA's as a legal argument what the fuck.
@@UltimaKeyMaster I doubt that was the reason they won, because as you said that's not how that works.
@@lssjgaming1599 That's not how EULA works. If the Joycon's really had a problem as bad as you are saying then the EULA would have been void. That it wasn't shows that, at least in the eyes of the courts, it wasn't such a big deal.
I’m one of the lucky ones who never experienced drift once the entire time lifetime of the switch, but that is unfortunate for those who did
I got a second pair to address the first pair's drift. Then the second pair started to drift. Around that time Nintendo announced that they would fix them. I sent both pairs off and they claimed only one needed fixing, but both pairs stopped drifting.
Eventually a pair began to drift again, and then the R bumper and the UP on the d-pad were malfunctioning.
I didn't want to buy a third pair of joycons in the same year as the other ones, so I just dealt with it. It's been years since the fact, and never got another pair because I keep expecting some switch successor to come out.
My joycon has a completely unrelated issue where it stops communicating with the console when it is 20 feet away or is underneath a blanket or something. It works just fine im handheld mode. (My other joycon, of course, drifts) (They're 2019 joycons)