Sea of Thieves - The Problem with "Make your own Fun"
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- In this video we will discuss the concept of "make your own fun". This is a phrase that has been thrown around a lot concerning Rare's pirate adventure game, Sea of Thieves, and is often used to defend the game's shortcomings. This argument also typically includes comments such as " it's fun with friends". I believe this argument is problematic and an interesting concept that's worth talking about. Im not here to say Sea of Thieves sucks, or that it's bad, or anything of the sort, but I certainly think there are things worth talking about. This is a No-Spoiler Review.
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It feels like a tech demo. “Look we made this new game concept where you have a pirate ship and can fight other ships while looking for treasure. Now it’s still a demo, so leveling up your reputation doesn’t do anything, and there’s only one type of enemy that you don’t get anything for fighting.”
John Smith The combat doesn't even look fun or satisfying.
Braden Lail it isnt fun, its so bland and just boring.
yeah some mobile games have better combat systems
there is NOTHING new about this game
I like combat :)
And if you kill skeletons you get shinny loot :D
It's funny because pretty much the only time you and your friends "make your own fun" is when you're fucking bored.
Nice video, Fav dog
Its the game designers job to make the fun not the players. It might as well be fucking VR chat pirate edition. The game is more barren than Destiny wtf happened it's like people don't have standards anymore every mission is the fucking same no variety or interesting goals other than filling up a stupid reputation bar
L33TBrownGuy It's like doing a World of Warcraft collection quest over and over except void of the exquisite lore in WoW.
Is VRChat a bad game? I'm sure MANY people would pay $60 for VRChat.
OMG VRChat has no progression and the mechanics are so simple! What a terrible game /s
Marco van Hilst it's only big because it's a meme and free
That's really only half of the game designer's job. The other half is to give players the tools to have fun and they definitely do well on that front. I think it's a pretty good game right now, but it's severely lacking actual content at the same time. I really hope they add more cuz it's a nice base :/
Moofassa Swoboda giving the players there own tool sounds more like the sandbox designers job overall game designer guys like Todd Howard and shit are supposed to make the game fulfill there vision and overall be as fun as possible
I wish the devs would roleplay as actually decent devs.
Joking aside, I hate the defenders for bullshit like this too. Boils down to, "well its good enough for me, you're just looking for things to complain about!". And the worst part is, there's almost no convincing them that it could be better not only for them but for everyone else that wants to give the game a chance.
Unfortunately I'm tired of being advertised to for games with potential. I dont buy games for potential that may or may not be fulfilled in the future, I buy games that fulfill its potential now and have improvements down the line that enhance the experience as icing on the cake.
Only reason why I defend this game against all the criticism is because Rare hasn't advertised this game as being any different than what it is. I don't understand what else people expected? Rare lived up to what they advertised this game to be. Complaining after launch that you expected more is just bad research on your part and entirely your own fault. Criticizing the game for it is just blame shifting.
@Unkel Dolan just because they didn't advertised it making promises saying it was going to be the best doesn't leave any excuses for an unfinished games people expect a full game that's what we expect ive played tons of free to play games that have more content than this game honestly I would be ok with this game if it was 20 bucks or 30bucks because the price asking for 60bucks for an empty game is a problem give us mircotranscation and make it free to play then its fair
I agree, €70 is a bit high of a price.
But it's simply not an unfinished game.
"people expect a full game"
No, people were clearly expecting stuff that wasn't even advertised to be in the game.
Unkel Dolan it is a unfinished game though a lot of the cosmetics people saw in the beta aren't in the full game and one of new things that opens up once you hit pirate legend status isn't coming out until the big ship update that's not coming for another couple of months
VLX11387 CHURCH!!👏👏
People are now PvPing just to PvP, not even stealing treasure. It's essentially griefing. The people interested in PvE content can no longer complete it without being griefed, and the PvP players are running out of players to bully. The PvE content is so lacking that there aren't enough players willing to do it to keep the PvP players from running roughshod over the entire server.
Charity Diary exactly this. I went to the forums and mentioned it there, I would encourage everyone to do that.
It's a bummer, the game is pretty but it needs options for both style of player or it's gonna die fast.
Charity Diary
Seperate servers PVE and PVP would help remedy that.
@@gamersinger5118 Wish halfway granted
@@homosexualgayming9706
Halfway?
@@gamersinger5118 There's a server for only pvp, but not one for only PvE
Challenges and rewards are the most important things a game must get right. Strong challenge + Weak reward = "Why continue playing?" Weak challenge + Strong reward = "I didn't earn this." Weak challenge + Weak reward = "Why should I have bothered playing this in the first place?" Progression is the foundation of replayability. To give a more recent example, I have sunk nearly 300 hours into Monster Hunter World. Currently, the game barely has 20 large monsters, which (I've heard) is nothing compared to previous games in the series. So why do people (including me) keep coming back to this game? Progression and challenges, or more specifically, customization and scaling of difficulty. 20 monsters is nothing, but the massive amount of variety in items, monster parts, and decorations gives players a good enough reason to continue playing. The way the game handles evolution of difficulty is also why players bother getting to the end-game. Sure, the game recycles monsters in high-rank and for tempered investigations (this is most definitely a flaw by the way), but it brings in two whole new layers of progression; those being decorations and augmentations. Now players not only have an arsenal of weapons and armor to choose from, they also have jewels and augments, which creates practically infinite combinations of gear possibilities. In conclusion, when a game has weak challenges and/or a weak progression system, it will stick out like a sore thumb, and likely ruin the game as a whole.
Btw, great video Fav!
Same with Rainbow Six Siege, siege is a prime example of gameplay being the absolute epicenter of the fun. The satisfaction comes with actually playing the game, not picking up a chest and giving it to some random person for gold.
You can't compare it to Monster Hunter World, it's not remotely the same type of game.
ThEsHaDoW343 My thought exactly, I keep comparing it to MHW too even for the price (same price, same free DLCs, arguably same quality). Also, he obviously can compare it to MHW to prove a point, if you disagree you should at least disregard that point, or else you are saying nothing else than "no".
I love having things easy lol
They play tested the game in beta for weeks and every body said the same thing. Nothing to do. Not worth $60. They released it anyway. Game gets panned. The developers just don't give a shit. Plain and simple. In the old days you'd play test, listen to the closed testers ideas and then go back to the drawing board and keep working on it till it was fun and then release.
You also forgot to put pay almost full price for a "remake" of a 13 year old game Shadow of the Colossus and defend it's price by saying it was remade from the ground up. Meanwhile people releasing fantastic New experiences are charging far less than SotC. SMH
Captain Destruction93 but sotc is a good game and it's a graphical update and it's for ppl to appreciate. It's for the guys who didn't play it on ps2 and ps3 lol it still has more content than this game
honestly, i don't the developer's at fault here (do correct me if i am wrong on this) but rather the publishers and investor's trying to push the game way too quickly, as the game clearly needed at least one more year of development, sadly, it seems like the business owners and companies would rather have the game put out as fast as possible and making a quick buck. This is probably the biggest issue in the gaming industry as a whole, it used to be ran by normal people and dev teams looking to make something cool, and now we're stuck with these asshole companies simply looking to make a fuckload of cash off of ignorance.
I've been playing uncharted waters online recently. What I want for SoT is to have a guild, serve under a nation or just be a pirate guild and participate in naval battles. The guild ship could be as big as to hold at the least 20 people inside so there could be a nation battle with guilds whose fleets would count up to 5 max.
I can't really admit that pirating on other pirates is.. compelling. At best we're all under one nation so I can't really get into the immersion of being a pirate. There's no nation to boast notoriety at, no ports that would chase me with bayonets the moment I set foot on the harbor, nothing. This is 60$ btw. I just.. damn.
Someone on Act Man’s Sea of Thieves video seriously tried comparing this to Minecraft as a sandbox game. I’m all like, “Bitch, Minecraft has essentially infinite content. This game only has the illusion of content.”
The entire point of games is that you don't have to make your own fun, the fun has already been made for you.
Precisely
Look at Minecraft a legendary game that’s a “make your own fun” game
Hey guys, you can throw your teammates at the 20 foot tall monsters so they can mount and ride them, get drunk at the gathering hall and armwrestle your friends, you can wear super tall wiggly hats that make it so when you heal, you also heal your teammates. You can steal a fire breathing dragons egg and be chased by the mother from its nest all the way down to base camp while your friends block fireballs for you. Go fishing and put those fish on display in an aquarium in your house.
Monster Hunter world exists as a game with tons of fun to be had without detriment to the incredibly solid core experience. If you REALLY want a game to dick around in, put your money towards something that actually has content.
5 years later and this video is still accurate
This game is very similar to steep for me, beautiful scenery, relaxing gameplay and great music
I agree. A game can have a lot of "make your own fun" such as minecraft, but it needs to give you toys to have fun with.
Yea, the only legitimately interesting gameplay for Sea Of Thieves is gamers that figured out how they made the game fun. One interesting example, an acapella group that essentially sails around and sings popular sea shanties.
Sea Of Thieves isn't a good game, however, it can be a fun one. If the DEVs could make it at least a competent game they'd have something that could work...
Why isn't it a good game?
Unkel Dolan
Huge lack of relevant and varied content, more of a proof of concept rather than a complete experience, being sold for $60.
It's got a good foundation but has very little to make up for it. Like I said, bad game but it can be great fun.
Wouldn't call it bad. I agree that it's not worth the €70 I paid for it (tho if I used some external site instead of the microsoft store I could've saved a lot).
Unkel Dolan i would call it bad, no content for a full price. Boring gameplay (literally boring after 3h) even fucking dinosaur hunt which is a meme game has more playtime
If sea of thieves had a campaign or ship battle mode, then it would have more replay battle.
I personally would have preferred an offline mode bot battle sort of thing. Like you said with the ship battle, but also on the ground and you can have bots as team mates and enemies.
Welp. Guess what Arena and tall tales are?
@@sporkasaurus4563 the main tall tales are kind boring tbh. The story is meh and unless your decently smart at least for mr i have to look up how to do it. The pirates life tall tales are awesome though
Your perspective on quality of games and how well you voice your thoughts never ceases to amaze me. Keep it up.
Me and friends played this and grinded for hours recovering so many chest just so the Kraken can destroy our ship fast and easy.
I have not touched that scrappy game since that day, I'll take Wind Waker any day over it.
I loved this game so much. It was an experience I had never felt in my life when playing ANY video game. This was the only thing I ever needed to play again and I wanted to explore EVERYTHING. I stuck with Sea of Thieves a whole year, but then I just lost all interest I got used to ever sound, every rock and creek of the ship, and every wave that I just find it so boring now. I realized that there isn't even anything to work towards because you don't get anything special for being a higher level. There's no special weapons or anything, just some lame cosmetics. I wish I could have the same magical feeling for this game that I first did back in the beta :(
The whole point is its just cosmetic unlocks. Everyone is on a level playing field whether they are a day 1 player or just got the game. If you got new weapons for leveling up then it would ruin the balancing of the game.
@@pizzaoverload0614 even if it's not weapons, there needs to be something more than just bland cosmetics for your dedication to the game
@@griffinmietzner I agree. But it can't be anything that would affect pvp scenarios because all players are supposed to be on a equal playing field
It's a really good alpha
i rlly love the concept of the game and i have had so much fun! although sometimes i feel very dissapoimted by the lack of depth this game has. for example, the other day i was in a sloop woth my friend when we stumbled across an uncharted island. we then went ashore and found a cove in the middle. I dived down and found qn underwater cave entrance. at this point my interest was slightly peaked. i kept explorimg and soon saw an air pocket. the pocket was the beginning of an underground cave. I was now extremely curious and was telling my friend to get down there. i kept exploring only to find a dead end with a skeleton and a couple opened chests. Its places like those that could be the entrance to a whole new adventure. i really wish there was meaningful things to find via exploration. If i could choose my own playstyle such as a rapier instead of a cutlass, or a different ship design, i could havw so much fun. if the quests could actually take me on an adventure, maybe telling the story of an ill fated crew doomed to die? maybe im sailing to another island i spot a rogue wave in the distance and veer to port, hoping to save my precious cargo. or capturing ships? maybe you kill an entire ships crew and you raise your flag that you csn customise. then the enemy crew cant respawn on that ship, but a new one far away. These are only a few of the ideas my friends and i have thought off that we think could reallly improve the experience.
Problems arise when some players have unlocked or gained all content and have no need for gold. These crews will turn to just attacking other players as it's all that's left to do.
Ive personally been enjoying the game but i 100% agree with you. They needed better content at launch. I feel it has a better value proposition as an xbox game pass game or if it released in early access versus paying 60 bucks for it
5 years later as a legand that had 8 month burnout ALL I AM IS OVERWHELMED WITH THE NEW STUFF
I've sunk more hours in this game than I've been sunk in game. Not because I'm a good player but because I've learned to avoid other players. A multiplayer game shouldn't have you paranoid about other people and leave you in a toxic state of mind. I've gone to people trying to make alliances only to have the rug pull out from underneath me and get shot in the face.
I genuinely enjoy the game, and I am going to keep playing, but I really hope they bring out some good updates before everyone loses hope.
A sandbox needs shaping tools and toys in it to be fun. If all a developer gives us is a box of sand, the only thing we can do with it is kick sand in each other's faces.
I've always thought why can't pirates in the game take over islands and make outposts? And create your own territory to expand it. You could even form alliances with other pirates to create entire regions of your server that you control. And since its yours you are notified by, lets say a new npc messenger bird, that tells you when events and or incursiond are happening in your waters. just a thought.
All I have ever wanted in my life is an offline mode in this game. Because actually playing with people that aren’t friends completely ruins it for me. I want to sail around minding my own business not fearing every single sign of other players.
No Man's Sea
WonderMePartyStrip the thing with that is rare didn't lie about what we would get in sea of thieves. It's just there is nothing else.
+jack Daniels multiple enemys??? Yeah not quite. The real game starts st max pirate rank. lol no it gets worse.
Well lets see, things that might be neat: Ship upgrades... Like maybe let us swap out cannons for things like:
Harpoon gun: Lets us harpoon our ship to other ships to real them in closer... (Or it just rips a hole in their ship if both are anchored.)
Catapult: Allows us to launch barrels at other ships.(Or into the path of other ships as a trap...)
Dingy lift: Allows our ship to carry a small rowboat that is useful for navigating shallow water, as well as hauling multiple chests back to the ship.) Naturally the Dingy could perhaps be upgraded with it's own cannon?
Maybe even have figure heads that improve the damage the ship can deal when ramming other ships?
Basically let us upgrade the crap out of our ships to try to make the ultimate ship.(And since this IS a pirate game, other player crews can board and even steal your ship and make it their own as a shortcut to having a good ship...) Basically ships can be leveled up getting better and stronger as their crew builds their reputation, while stealing ships from high ranking crews would be a viable shortcut to quickly building up your reputation as a great pirate.
As for other things I think would be cool? Being able to not only have a customizable island base, but also perhaps have rankings based on the size of your gold hoard... (Stealing or sinking the ship of a rival pirate spawns a map to their island base and gives your a chance to raid their treasure hoard to increase your own...) Maybe even give us collectables that we can take and add to our pirate lairs to show off... Which can then be stolen...)
Minnion a catapult is stupid, just use a canon
But can you shove an explosive barrel into the cannon to launch it off?
Minnion the canon ball explodes on impact, it’s the same thing
3 years later, i just dicovred this game and u know what it still boring as fck .. i m so disapointed
Anything can be fun with friends.
Don't excuse being a terrible game.
Its good, just not 60 dollars good, I really enjoyed the past couple of days playing it with the gamepass trial, both solo, and with randos, but In its current state. its gameplay loop will go the same way Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen Alpha 3.0 play out, Its amazing at first, but by the time you realize you’re bored, its too late and you regret wasting so much time grinding this boring chore.
Any random F2P has more content than this.
Kusariyaro so true
What I don’t understand is that
Totally agree i was playing solo yesterday and had 12 skulls 4 chest and 5 gun powder barrels and then a guy joined and constantly was worried about losing the loot but i keep telling him why does it even matter its barely worth anything anyway
I agree with your overarching thesis about the game's strong foundation, which doesn't do enough to go beyond that strong foundation. However, I think you ignore the more meaningful defense of SOT for a more edgy argument that tries to appeal to the "No Man's Sea" crowd. I recognize that the game does not live up to its $60 price tag, and for some people that's the end of the story, but I think there's a lot to be said about this game that most commentators such as yourself overlook.
The best aspect of SOT is the tension around the skull fort. I haven't seen a single review that's articulated the breadth of experience you can find here. I've probably "finished" 20 of these fort raids, and unless its uncontested, almost every raid plays out differently... like wildly differently. I've seen some really crazy turn of events and these forts are what have me coming back to the game almost every night.
Rare nailed the Skull Fort dynamic. It achieves just the right balance of risk vs reward to place players in a position to at-all-times consider cooperation vs betrayal. In other words, tension. Achieving this tension is a major accomplishment that consistently generates unique experiences. Rare understands that human interaction can function like a prism to produce a near infinite range of potential outcomes. They deserve more credit for creating this tension and I believe that people will over time come to appreciate it more.
Reviewers and commentators keep calling for wider quest variety, and yes that would help. But what will really sustain SOT is another type of skull fort experience where we can find a similar tension between players. Currently, my crew just jumps between servers looking for the skull fort, with only brief interludes of doing the more basic quests when we need to decompress a little. In this respect, I am thankful for how boring these quests can be. Seriously. I wouldn't do them if they were deep and involved because the skull fort can be so draining already. Sometimes I just wanna set the sails and dig up a treasure chest. Simple. Relaxing.
Speaking of setting the sails, the sailing mechanics are a lot deeper than people realize. True there's no skill tree or whatever. Instead there's an ACTUAL skill progression that takes a lot of practice to improve at. My crew is at the point now where we can out-sail just about anyone. We're all approaching Pirate Legend status and I can guarantee you that those lowly pirate crews will learn to fear the site of our pirate legend ship when it comes screaming downwind after their treasure-laden, dead-in-the-water, sorry excuses for a pirate ship.
Again I want to reiterate that the game is not worth the $60 price tag. But there's a lot more to this game than reviewers give it credit for. If you doubt me then come meet us at the skull fort and we'll send you to Davy Jones' Locker, no fancy weapon upgrades required, just a couple salty sea dogs. Or cooperate with a flashing lantern and we'll split the treasure before sharing a grog at the tavern. One of the funniest things you can do is have two crews get drunk at the tavern and then knife fight (no guns) with puke flying everywhere. So absurd.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. See you on the seas!
Thanks for your comment. I agree with you on the skull forts dynamic ( in fact there is footage of me doing one in this video)
But I attributed that to the "core foundation"
All of those interactions are still very much a part of the emergent gameplay this provides. It's a very unique dynamic indeed, and I also agree more stuff like this would be great. Perhaps random events like npc ships that sink and send out a distress flare ( or a more thematically appropriate way of alerting players )
Then it's basically a race for the ships to get the treasure off the sunken ship and I bet there'd be some cool dynamics there. I think SoT's would greatly benefit from random events!
Thanks in turn for your reply. I agree about the game benefiting from more random events. Here are a couple ideas that my buddies were talking about:
- A ghost Ship (aka The Flying Dutchman) that sails around with a skeleton crew. It should be about on par with the skeleton fort in terms of reward and challenge to take it down.
- Make the merchant quests public and more lucrative. As in, have a board at every outpost which calls for certain goods delivered to certain outposts. Making the quests public will attract pirates and create more player interactions...
- For the love of Black Beard there needs to be a reward for killing the kraken. Give a reward for that and a couple more sea monsters to look out for and SOT could easily branch into a sort-of monster hunter lite.
- Custom outposts would be so cool. They could hide it behind a wall of fog as an in-world explanation for why it appears differently to everyone.
You can make anything fun with friends. If a game needs you to play with friends then that's a very weak game.
Also it sucks the reloading is so fast that this is a straight up shooter. It should have been about sword fighting and one bullet shot. If you miss... pray cause reloading should take a long time.
Here is my biggest issue with the game. They sold it as a game were you can be whatever you want, you make your own adventures, but gave you zero affect on the world you are playing in. I get that people are having fun, but a story changes the world you are set in. A game were the players make their own stories should theoretical have a growing in game history. Lie all you want but this doesn't have a game history. You get off and there wasn't any proof you ever played (in game).
concise and to the point. My thoughts exactly, only i would have taken it further and pointed at Rare and Microsoft knowing they were releasing SoT w/o any actual content in it and still making it $60
As far as pvp is concerned, I think the game would be considerably more fun if you had a "chance" of finding higher tier supplies on islands, with limited use. Things like exploding cannonballs, harpoons to tether ships and keep them from sailing away, molotov cocktails to burn down sails if not put out with water, reinforced materials to strengthen the defense of your ships hull, skeleton potions that could spawn friendly skeletons to attack nearby enemies..things that by no means unbalance the game given their rarity and limited use. Also would be nice to see a few different quest types for each faction, or perhaps "legendary" bounties that could potentially drop for each which leads to something a little more expansive..a dungeon leading to a skeletal"boss fight" for order of souls, a hunt for a particularly rare animal with its own capture mechanic (( maybe you need to fight it first, or you need to tranquilize it with blowdarts.. maybe it takes 2-3 people to carry..anything)) for the merchants guild, and artifact hunts that bestow different ailments/ buffs when in your possession. For instance, " the eye of the storm- a glass eye said to belong to the sea god himself, Poseidon! " once collected, a violent storm would follow the players, forcing them to consistently traverse rough waters and deal with lightning bolts, constant rain and ship repairs." Turning in legendary artifacts to the gold hoarders would not only give you a nice chunk of gold, but give you access to legendary gear..an eye of the storm eyepatch or something of the like.
Thank you for vocalizing how I feel about it two years later. With one notable exception, there have been no updates that actually add new game-changing systems.
It seems to me that people, myself included aren't having problems with the core gameplay, but instead are simply complaining about the lack of substance. If nothing is changed it's truly a lost opportunity.
Any game can have "make your own fun", but if the game is "make your own fun", it's going to be stale really fast..
All things aside the lighting in sea of thieves is stunning
I'm puzzled as to why they have released the game in this state. The core gameplay and engine and everything is there. They've made a solid and really awesome foundation. Now they should just build something on top of that, which should be super easy and quick to do now that the heavy lifting is done. But for some reason, they didn't.
The game needs a focus point and an actual goal and story. Also better rewards other than just skins but I understand you needing to keep it balanced.
The only time you "Make your own fun" is when you ruin other peoples fun.
That's why I hope they prioritize mechanics and events over cosmetics and bugfixes...
The problem I have with "make your own fun" is that when you start a game, it's hard to think "I'm going to do something completely retarded and it will be amazing". What you end up doing is "I'm going to start a quest and hope something happens, if not then there goes 30 minutes of something possibly happening".
If they make complex missions and mechanics, then it won't feel like a waste to fight skeletons. It might actually be more fun than PvP if they can do it right. Having basic PvP with complex PvE allows for a broad gameplay style, rather than "this is the game, and here's the chores". PvE as complex and challenging as Dark Souls III will make you want to PvE.
If they make complex things to buy then it won't feel pointless to gain gold. Which is why I really hope they make the 4 new ships coming later buyable and not free. Something to work toward. I also don't understand what's so hard about making balanced weapons? They say they don't want experienced players to have an advantage but, couldn't they just make different gun-types that are equally good as the basic pistol? Then the gameplay in PvP will constantly feel different with new weapons.
Right now, there's stuff to do that can last you long, but it shouldn't be "can" it should be "will". I'd compare it to an early version of Rust, Terraria or The Forest. All of the 1.0 versions of these games are about as dumb as the 1.0 versions as SoT which also gives me hope for real content.
This is so very true. You're making very good points. You get my like!
There's a Roblox game called Tradewinds that allows for a more fulfilling sailing experience than Sea of Thieves.
Will you create a video on far cry 5?
Keawasb 123 yes favyn...DEW IT
This is the best video I've ever seen on this game so far. This guy gives amazing commentary and very great points
just discovered your videos. like them a lot :)
I 1000000% agree. I see this in sandbox games everywhere.
So now a sandbox with just sand in it is not acceptable
I'm a newer player and have loved playing this game thus far, but it feels like it's far too easy to grief newer and/or less experienced players. It kinda sucks how many times that I've spawned in, spent 10-15 mins looting-up and stocking my ship, just to get blown out of the water before I even get a chance to leave port. I dunno. I feel like there should at least be some sort of save points where you can revert to your ship's state of AT LEAST basic goods from that point in time. I'm fine with losing my treasure if I get wrecked, but let me at least have the rest of my supplies from a specific save point or something. I don't feel like that's asking too much. Hell, I'd even settle for a larger carry capacity so it's easier to resupply myself and get out of the gate faster. I know that it's a pirate game, and I'm all for that aesthetic, but there are clearly MANY areas where they could improve the state of things, ESPECIALLY, for newer and more inexperienced players.
I'll too tired at the moment to go into detail but if it makes sense to those who have played I think it'd be interesting to turn this game into more a Runescape style.
I LOVED this game when it came out. Me and my friends had an absolute blast playing this game. Fast forward 2 weeks and we just don't play it anymore. It's so hollow. Very disappointing.
add a system where you get to upgrade a town or something like that, if you really wanted to keep the open world balanced.
Elite Dangerous devs need to watch this.
Subnautica, I was making my own fun, and I paid 26$ CDN.
Subnautica is a singleplayer survival game? Sea of thieves is a multiplayer, shared pirate world? How are the two remotely comparable
Great video my friend. You just got a new sub ☺
I think that if more games were like this type... we all wouldn’t be zombies to the games that don’t...I mean I like the game... and it needs to get better but at the same time I will give this game a chance
How does this even happen? 3 basic fetch quests that are literally the same. Have the devs never played a video game?
Thank you so much for making this... I’m over the buyers remorse and I still love being in the world.... but if things don’t get more meaningful.... I’m out
I’ve logged hours and hours and hours and hours on this game, between beta and actual gameplay, and I am always finding new things to do, new places to explore, and have enjoyed every moment. I don’t except that I will get bored of this anytime soon.
You have seen the same 10 islands on every map. Once you explore then once, they never get different or have another reason to explore EVER. Its okay, name yourself after a channel of child abusers and I'm sure you will get all them views.
Great video. Completely agree with your criticism. My only criticism is that you talk quite fast. I can follow you just fine, but it doesn´t leave the viewer much room to think about the points you´re making.
Something about this game just really intrigues me despite its lack of content. Just a totally different beautiful game. I had about 30 hours of Destiny and I got sick of it so I stop playing. 40 hours of the division got sick of it stop playing. 12 hours of No Man's sky. I have close to 100 hours in Sea of Thieves and I'm not even close to being sick of it. I have such a blast every time I get on with friends.
Very well said, I had a different opinion but after watching this I agree with you. What’s your opinion on Far Cry 5?
Just checking in to say the game is alot better now. :)
yes i agree it is faaar better now !! for exemple now when you have better rank, instead of doing quests to find one uselss chest, you will have to find 3 useless chests in the same quest !! amazing !!!
The designers needed to build an in game economy like Eve Online.
I agree with the majority of players and that it is light gameplay. But I am about the journey. I love what is splayed so far.
And I wait excitedly for the next gameplay element.
I think it's closed minded to say that 'people who make their own fun are wrong'. I play with my buddies, we raid, plunder and pirate it up. I'd say in terms of narrative, mechanics and systems, the game is weak. But regardless, I, and many other, enjoy the game. That doesn't mean it's lacking quality, it's just lacking core structure that specific gamers want. That may be the majority of players, but it's just insulting to players that do. You might not care about that, but being condescending to people because you disagree with them, makes you a prat, not a scholar. I'm not 'imagining' my fun, I just enjoy it. It's not that the game needs excuses, by all means critique the development and content, but don't make out that people arguing your point are stupid. Some of the critique, very valuable, but insulting a portion of your viewership, however small, is not noble, it's just ignorant and petty.
I think you missed what I was saying. Im not taking issue with making your own fun. I'm taking issues with those who use that aspect of the game to disregard the significant shortcomings that you yourself already listed. We are actually on the same page.
I think I'll just go back and play AC: Black Flag again
I believe that more people need to understand that there is nothing wrong with a game that you only play a few hours a week, not every game has to be binge-worthy.
Now, that being said, I don't disagree with you.
Favyn I agree, but I was in a bit of a rush at the time and didn't get to finish my thoughts and kinda lazily tacked-on an edit saying that "I agree with you"
Ironically I commented my response so I wouldn't forget what I was thinking and in the process failed to actually say what I was thinking...
True, but an open world pirate game where every other crew is a player just screams binge-worthy game. I would say that a game set in this genre absolutely needs to cater to the binge gaming audience. A world like this where you can just live in for several hours every day and never run out of things to do seems like the best fit. This shouldn't be a casual Mario Party styled experience, though there is nothing wrong with games going for that, so long as their genre fits it.
Natsu I agree, my previous comment doesn't exactly explain what I was trying to say, but I'd have to watch the video again to properly collect my thoughts on it, unfortunately I don't have the time for that right now.
People won’t be playing this game a few hours a week though. After a while, they will just stop playing the game altogether.
Yeah man. Last Guardian for example. I beat it within 6 hours. I probably won't play it again. But I still loved it.
I'm so happy I managed to get a refund for this game. I actually felt dirty after spending money on this game. Only a couple of hours in was I already bored. And while sailing was a fun multitask challenge at first, it became more routine than fun: Our friend who was self appointed captain would yell at us to do things around the ship (while he sat and steered...) and then we'd do it. So I didn't even have the benefit of having a good time because the one person in our crew who wouldn't leave the bridge would constantly get on my case for not being at his beck and call every second.
Very well said man, best SoT analysis I have seen thus far
I play this game alot like already have 20 hours on it I agree that when it comes down to this it's a bad game but it's a game that definitely is light on content it's basically a beta version of the game but I believe after a while the game will develop into a better game with more content and until then I'll be playing
Well i know that cosmetc only progression is very shallow and of course it needs major content patches and i see a lot of people’s point 60$ is too much but still for me it has become one of my favorite games i just find it a blast still after 20hrs+ but still i think it’s very reasonable to call it shallow Microsoft pushed Rare to release a unfinished beta.Then again I’ll admit i fell in love with this game :)
And for the love of God if Rare wants to succeed they need a release on Steam.
I dont understand why people are freaking out. They were 100% transparent about it from the start. This isnt a No Mans Sky scenario.
Could this game be better? Absolutely! But you cannot just discount people who love this game as wrong. They made the game that they wanted. Whether you like it or not is up to you. You didnt have to pay $60. You could have used a free Game Pass trial...
So yeah, we get that you dont like it, but it doesnt mean the game isnt good. No game is universally good. Each gamer decides whether or not the game is good.
You could say nearly the exact same thing about Elite:Dangerous.
I couldn't agree more. Even though this game lacks so much i still find myself playing because of how unique it is compared to everything else on the market. I was hungry for something different. So sick of hearing about pubg or fornite.
I’d suggest looking into warframe favyn, I feel like you could have some interesting opinions on it, instead of how most people give it blind compliments
i cant lie, i feel like sea of thieves is just the darkzone part od the division with cool water and loads of fetch quest. like just yesterday i had a bunch of treasure. these people come after me. i get struck by lightening and my ship goes down (wasnt paying attention trying to get away). all my treasure floats to the top. i have a very valuable skull and like 4 other chest. people pull up to me and i try and bargain by giving them the 4 chest if i can turn in this one skull.
of course they kill me in the end.
like im not so much mad at the encounter, but like thats ALL i expect in this game unless youre with "friends". like how the fuck do you think i got these friends?? popped outta thin air? no i MET THEM. of course this aspect within the game isnt exactly a downside but it definitely detracts from the variance of things to do and see and experience. like all there is to do is fetch quest and try not to get killed by people. gets boring. and definitely doesnt make me want to play in the furture when half the population play like assholes.
Look I almost never buy games day 1 but with this game I did. I was happy to get anywhere from 100-200 hours out of vanilla, more than I get out of most games!, and some of my favorite moments in all of video games. If it's not for you, it's not for you, but what we like is subjective at the end of the day, and this games success speaks for itself. That doesn't mean you have to like it, I don't like fortnite or last of us, but clearly lots of people do and I'm not gonna say they're objectively wrong for liking it.
Fellas, fellas. Look i know its pretty empty right now but its also brand new...like, what a few weeks old?
Im sure that later on they would give it more updates that would put more purpose to it. But for now just have faith in it.
Max Armintor faith is for cowards and fools.
jymbo1969 im expecting a space marine to burst through my window now
Hey, im here 5 years later. It didnt improved this much. Sad.
I love your videos Favyn lol you never disappoint
Reminds me of No Man's Sky.
At least it looks beautiful
sonic 06 is ironically replayable, but sea of thieves apparently has less replay-ability than the worst Sonic game.
2 hours from lvl 25 gold horders = 1,200 coins 😡😐👎
Blame the complacent fanboys
2 years later and their servers are garbage
Literally lagged out right before selling my loot, join back to my ship sunk and my loot stolen. Game is comeplete horseshit
I can think of so many ways this game could be better. It could have been so good. They could have done so many cool things with this game, but they just didn't. It is just unacceptable. It is really a disappointment.
Has your opinion changed yet?
i hope this game get fix
Should have just copied AC4. A ship leveling system, AI ships that your crew has to take over. Extremely high level boss ships to battle at the map corners. A diving bell to find rare loot on the ocean floor. Whale and shark harpooning for goods to upgrade or sell. Hunting to craft new gear. Ammo pouches and clothing. Better forts that required teamwork to conquer
If the game is not finished on day one you don’t deserve a second chance. If you paid $60 for a reservation and a demo then you’d be pissed. This is what this game is. The fact that people give any game a pass because “it’s going to get better” will be the downfall of of gaming. All you’re doing is telling developers you can half ass a game and you will pay for it.
It’s good now