Seeing the prices of new cars these days (ICE or EV) is just wild, and seeing sales fall off a literal cliff as soon as interest rates went up makes it abundantly clear - manufacturers did not expect interest rates to increase in the way that they have. They're pricing at least half or in many cases, most, of their lineups out of reach for most folks. It's simply asinine what average sales prices are right now and people are having to get 7-8 year loans just to buy them. It's not just EVs, the whole industry is NOT looking good.
I’m not in the market for a new vehicle at the moment - I like my current truck and have no valid reason to replace it. But I really wonder if you went in to a dealership and lowballed them - would they not take the deal? You’d think they’d want the car off their lot. Just low ball them and walk if they say no - just seems like they’ll eventually call you back. I could be wrong but seems to me they are going to be desperate to get rid of it.
Except Tesla keeps dropping price... Funny how Ford or most others think their first gen inferior EV should be priced higher than the industry leader..
New car prices are stupid and all these manufacturers thought the price gouging pandemic prices would last forever but as usual their slow pace of being able to adapt to ever changing market trends has them assed out again almost like 2008.
I've owned 9 Mustangs over the past 33 years, and I'm of the opinion Ford should have never pissed us older generation off by EVER naming an EV a Mustang.
This remains one of the only, if not THE only car review channel that doesn't sugarcoat their opinions/content to favor the manufacturers that lend them these vehicles. Refreshing as all hell. I've been watching for years
Have you ever watched Throttle House??? They frequently shit on cars, including BMW and Ferrari. Camissa is the same. Like others have said, you're simply brown-nosing. Which is odd to do on UA-cam.
@@acerimmer8338I would say the only odd thing here is you guys accusing people of brown nosing because they haven't heard of certain other UA-camrs. This dude is clearly just leaving nice feedback.
@@Gertso Thank you. I don't watch every car review channel in existence. Of the ones I have seen, SG is by far the best. That's literally it. Idk why people on the internet get so offended all the time
With the economy uncertain, not buying a car right now makes sense for a few reasons. Firstly, cars are costly, and in uncertain times, it's crucial to save money and keep your finances stable. Using public transport or rideshares can save you money. Secondly, technology and car-sharing options offer convenient transport without the expenses of owning a car, like maintenance and insurance. Moreover, fewer cars mean lower emissions, contributing to a greener planet. Choosing eco-friendly options supports global efforts to fight climate change. Lastly, waiting lets you assess your finances when things stabilize. You can focus on saving, investing, or other essential needs like education or debts. Being patient and evaluating your needs can lead to a wise and financially responsible decision about getting a car.
My financial advisor advises buying cars when interest rates and prices are low. However, he also cautions against it right now due to the hidden costs of car ownership, like insurance and maintenance. He helps me plan for these expenses and manages my portfolio to ensure financial stability. It's all about making strategic decisions and having a well-rounded financial plan.
Your financial journey is truly inspiring, and I'm currently striving to achieve the goals you've reached. Could you please share some tips to help others learn and navigate their own paths to financial success? Your insights would be invaluable.
I believe everyone could benefit from having a personal financial advisor. They can assist you in reaching your customized financial objectives at any point, ensuring you remain profitable.
I think you nailed it. They didn't go into it trying to build a better car, regardless of being ICE or electric. They only went into it to follow the trend of electrification. That was a major mistake.
It’s not a trend, they try to go from flip phone to smart phone 10 years after the released of the iPhone. They’re struggling. They’re trying not to become Kodak.
@@TheSteinbitt I don't think I explained it properly. I use "trend" in the sense that other autos primarily developed electric solutions because that's what regulators, politicians, and environmentalists have been demanding of auto manufacturers. Legacy autos had the goal of developing a car with an electric drivetrain. Whereas Tesla has the goal of building the best car (you can agree or not) that just so happened to have an electric drivetrain. There's a subtle, but important difference between the two. Put another way, it's like comparing a kid who does their math homework because they're told to vs a kid who does their math homework cause they find think it's fun. The latter kid is most likely to do better in math over time.
@@thesadboxman I agree with that, but I still think legacy auto tries as hard as they can, but they’re just not set up to succeed at it easily because of all the old corporate structure, factories, ICE engineers, unions and lack of software capabilities.
@@johnstuartsmithmeanwhile they’re going to learn like ford and GM that jumping into EVs at scale is not as easy as it looks. The Chinese will eat their lunch even more than they already are by the time they figure out their EV software and battery supply chains.
Interesting thoughts. I bought a mach-e a year ago and have since put over 20000 miles on it. I absolutely love not having to buy gas. i also live in Los Angeles where I don't freeze and lose too much range. This car is wonderful, and enjoyable to drive. i did test the Model Y, Ioniq 5, EV6, and id.4. The id.4 was my second choice, but I'm still very much happy with the Mach-e.
I had a Mach E Premium AWD with the standard battery. I was in an accident three weeks ago - I walked away unharmed though the car was totaled. Every air bag deployed. It was the best car I've ever owned, full stop. And yes, I will think about this car fondly. I absolutely loved it.
Thanks for this story, I think this car has gotten too political. The name made people mad I guess. I see one on Ebay for 18K seems like a steal to me! I literally have a Tesla Supercharger station next door, people should move to the big city.
I love my 2022 Mach E and also a Model 3 and love both. Haven’t owned a gas car the last 3 years and have taken several 700-1,000 mile road trips without incident.
@@mauriciomendez1912 I hate sound like a Parrot but the Ford is built much better while the Tesla has a better charging Network. My Model 3 came from the factory with the right rear door severely out of alignment as well as an unaligned steering wheel (off 2-3 degrees to the right). The Tesla is also much louder on the highway which is something I’ve heard was resolved with the Highlander update. On long trips, I have a more consistent 100-170 kWh charging experience in the Tesla. The Ford has never failed me on trips but in the more rural areas of Ohio the highest speed L3 Chargers are 62.5 kWh ChargePoint ones. Ironically, while slow, the ChargePoints give me 90-100 pct of their advertised speed while the EAs and EVGos vary wildly often giving only 25-50% of their rated speed. I have seen 60-80 kWh on some older Tesla V2 SuperChargers but much more rare.
Great video explaining corporate micromanagement and idiocy. This even goes beyond the car industry. Amazing to see this channel open to talk about it.
From the day the Mach E was announced I knew this was going to happen. Hell, I knew it was coming when they decided to drop small cars from the US lineup. Cutting corners and being reactive is SOP at Ford. The Explorer was their bread and butter, core to their vision, and what did they do? Rush it to market with a load of major issues. The real surprise is that consumers keep falling for marketing BS. Of course, it doesn't help that many in the automotive press are complicit in pushing the hype.
Mach E owner here, couple comments. Very honest video. The HVJB issue explanation is one of the cleanest I’ve seen on the internet. Full credit to you for that and thanks for talking about it for those who don’t understand it yet, outside of the forums it’s hard to find good information on it. I absolutely agree the pricing isn’t competitive yet, and as an owner, looking at the resale value is frustrating. I do think you guys have ignored some of the innate advantages EVs have over ICE vehicles while discussing the car however. People debate whether this is a good or bad thing about EVs, but they are much more “appliance like” than an ICE vehicle. I do not maintain this car; no oil changes (or fluids at all really), rare break changes due to the regen breaking, no belts to worry about, and thousands of fewer parts to potentially fail long term than with an ICE. Turn the stupid acceleration noises off and it’s much quieter than an ICE as well. Sure, the screen looks like a tablet slapped on the dash, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy my Apple CarPlay at 2x+ the size in my wife’s car. I don’t think range anxiety is a real thing for 95%+ of the actual driving occuring in America. Even charging only to 90% to maintain the longevity of my battery, I have 260 miles of range every day when I wake up. How much of America actually needs more than that in any given day? Sure, CCS networks are garbage, but Ford is wisely moving to NACS, which is a big step towards fixing that. The “new ground” being broken here is the platform transition itself. I really think that’s being undervalued by your analysis. I think it’s kind of unrealistic to expect more than that from these manufacturer first attempts, they have to start somewhere. We’ve never seen a platform transition of this magnitude in our lives before - for the last century, it’s just been a refinement of ICE. Don’t undervalue the effort and significance of getting even just a passing grade with these first efforts. Am I looking forward to what the future holds for EVs, both in technology improvements and price drops? Absolutely. We will see some massive leaps in the coming decade. Would I still buy this car again over an ICE alternative? Also absolutely. First video I’ve watched from you guys, will definitely be watching more. Cheers
The video is well done, except for a few points. In particular, at 1:53, where he says that EV sales are falling "across the board," and then puts up a graphic showing the top ten selling models. Seven of these are up - mostly WAY UP. One model is holding about the same level. And, out of the ten models listed, two are down. In fact, for the first ten months of the year, EV sales in the US are UP by 35%. That's a pretty strong showing. And the part where he says there's no reason to buy an EV over an ICE car. Well, yeah, if you either don't have grandkids, or don't care how things turn out for them, then sure. Buy whatever. How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how much food your great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's the basic situation we're in. That's the context of this discussion about how the car drives, and how - like so many things - it doesn't live up to some of the hype. But, the car lives up to the most important part of the hype: It doesn't burn gasoline. And it's vastly more efficient than cars that do.
@@davidmenasco5743 When you realize the term “fossil fuel” is a MADE UP term created in the early 1900’s to scare people away from buying cars and using gas. When you do the research and learn (DO NO GOOGLE - do the actual research) you will find that oil is the second most plentiful liquid on earth next to water and in fact has NOTHING to do with fossils at all. Oil replenished itself over and over and over, there is literally an endless supply. THEY want you to think is scares so they can jack up the price and make billionairs… hence the Rockerfellers, Soros, etc. LEARN! Educate yourself.
When they announced the "Mustang" Mach-E, many of us were critical of the naming and marketing for this exact reason. If they had cut some performance, priced it reasonably, and called it the E-Blazer it probably would be faring much better.
@@802Garage No, the Thunderbird name should not be used on an SUV be and ICE or EV one. The best name for the car honestly should have been the Ford Model E, which Ford had already trademarked, I suspect to keep it away from Tesla. But I am sure Ford probably was concerned about that name being confused with a Tesla even though Ford was the originator of using the word Model as...err...a model name. Model E would have harkened back to the Model T which was Fords first truly mass produced ICE car.
@@adamn7516 Oh I wouldn't have liked it if they used the Thunderbird name either, but it would have made way more sense than the Mustang name! Even calling it the Thunder would be acceptable, that way there is thunder and lightning. Model E also would have been a clever name, or simply the Mach E. Bringing Mustang into it was just plain silly.
We are a frugal 2 senior citizen couple. We have a 2022 Nissan Leaf as our around town car and a 2023 Subaru Outback for road trips. At under $60 K total for both, we feel we have the best of both worlds with our hybrid fleet.
If it was a gasoline suv with 490 hp looking this good you would probably be more positive? Its hard to Watch this channel with all the negative bias towards electric cars.
@@stoff3r agreed, as much as I like the Savagegeese team over the six years I've been watching, their stance on EVs is overly pessimistic relative to the realities. Glass half empty, always rounding down. The reality is the grid is adapting and strengthening in sufficient time for the slow switchover from ICE to EV, the tech is getting better and better, EVs have far less mechanical components and failure points than ICE, far cheaper running costs (drastically lower in some parts of the country), US EV market share among new vehicles is above 8% and of course continuing to rise, and that price concerns are steadily being addressed as the tech improves and the factories ramp up (such as the $2-4k price drop on the 2024 Ioniq6 compared to 2023, and the wild Tesla price drops of the last year). The Mach E does not drive poorly, but yes, it would've been a better package if they had spent another year on design before getting it out... like Hyundai/Kia did with their superior products. The Mach E is no less reliable than any ICE SUV with Legendary Ford Reliability they're putting out; would one rather have an Escape? I'm expecting the next gen (third gen?) of EVs to be remarkably good, which isn't hard when the default is a 2.0L turbo crossover with a CVT or billion speed automatic begging for huge repair bills as the odometer hits six digits.
Good explanation about the possible problems. I own a 2021 Mach e. My vehicle received an on the air update so I did not have to take it in for this issue. I have 59,000 miles on my MachE, and so far I’ve had no problems. I mostly charge at home, however I’ve taken numerous road trips including one from Los Angeles to Vancouver Canada and I do think this is an amazing vehicle. I do own a model 3 as well, however I prefer driving the Mach E. You guys are experts in the automotive field, but I thought I should share an owners opinion.
I am having a tough time with some of the criticism in this one. We have a 2022 Mach E GT Performance which we recently picked up for $35.5USD. For what you get, it is an un heard of value in the used market. We have had two other Mach E Models (GTP and California) with zero issue. We test drove the , Model Y Performance, EV6 GT, Ionic 5 N and the trade off is similar - faster charging speeds in both but with more frequent trips to the charger given the real world range. Saying this - I loved the Ionic 5 N (solid choice), but not for a family. We charge at home on either a 120v or 240v plugs (we have both) and have never run into an issue - this includes long trips up north. We have had the Recall #: 23S56 done via ford - no issues before or after. You cannot get a better performance EV for $35.5USD that does as much as the Mach E can do. We have put 5 adults and a dog comfortably in the car on a long trip - still ripped off sub 4sec 0-60. Cant wait to see what Ford does over the next few years.
For any of us that have worked for large corporations and dealt with the idiocy, this is what happens when you try to tell the customer what they want instead of listening to the customer. In fairness to Ford, GM, and other companies, I also think most "car people" understand they're under a lot of pressure to transition to EV's from the investment community and government.
Agreed. Contrast it to Tesla who does zero advertising and sold strictly by word of mouth. The owners loved them and the word spread. Letting people buy what they desire is always the best method.
@@aussie2uGA That's why I think the whole meme about Tesla's build quality is irrelevant. Tesla owners are super loyal, Tesla is technologically ahead of all competitors. Them opening up their charging infrastructure could be a loss, but, it all depends on how other OEMs configure their software to talk with the chargers
@@michaelkovalsky4907 I dont know if that makes it "irrelevant" it just means that people like to feel an air of superiority about driving something they see as "the future" no matter what issues it has. Personally, I don't care if its the future if it has early '00's GM build quality and panel gaps. To me the fact I have to look and interact with a screen instead of using muscle memory to know I need to hit the 2nd button on the right for my AC to turn while driving makes it a heavily flawed vehicle.
Nonsense. Customers lack the vision. If all you did was listen to customers innovations would stagnate. The issues with any corporation, large or small, is always a lack of proper internal process. They are not respected, sometimes not known, sometimes totally ignored, and they end up affecting the end product. Lack of proper management and leadership is also an enemy of modern enterprises. POs constantly pushing for more and more features and requirements and constantly ignoring QA and needed refinements. Never fully committing to an end goal, constantly changing their minds during the dev process, constantly sucking up to the higher ups and making promises that compromise the end product.
I own a Mach-E and if I was to sell it right now, I would definitely miss it. It is a great car, handles nicely, and almost no maintenance outside of tire rotation and fluid top ups for me.
I was given an early production model Mach-E to do long term test driving in freezing and rain conditions. I was pleasantly surprised with its range, performance, comfort and driving quality. The only negative I could find with the car was the price and wish I could have driven the GT performance model.
@@oldarkie3880You are swallowing whole the propaganda put out by the fossil fuel industry and its cheerleaders. Gasoline cars catch fire far more frequently and readily than do electric ones (gasoline is supposed to burn, after all), and insurance isn't a problem, especially since there are far fewer moving parts to be replaced during repairs. Also, EVs have no catalytic converters to be stolen, reducing insurance costs further.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I honestly was only expecting to own this car for 2-3 years, but now that I've had it that long, I don't know if I'll be able to give it up.
I recently rented a ~2021 Ford Escape for a road trip. It was a decent hatchback/ small SUV, and I think it looks similar to the Mach-E. If they had called this thing a Ford Escape EV, styled it very similar to the Escape, and priced it similar, I think people would have given them a lot more grace about the downsides of their first generation EV. Nissan, for instance, knew well enough to name their EV the Leaf rather than try to call it a GTR or a Silvia. Also kudos for mentioning the WeberAuto channel, he has shared some excellent in-depth tech info.
True it should have 100% been The Mach-E or Thuderbird or as you said escape... Being a mustang is a strench even with the lossest defnations of muscle car... But Not having seen one in months with cybertruck out and people looking back on the mach e... It's looks honestly aged awesomely... Like in the current BEV CUV envoment it looks like a big CUV mustang and stands out to me a 2020 Mustang owner but yeah I don't think looks was a majory reason for people to hate it being a mustang to be honest.
I'm not sure an Escape can go 0-60 in 3.2 seconds. Just like Mustangs have trims that go from v-6 to MACH1, the same holds true with this car. I have one and I'm 6'5". Having driven an Escape, this car has more leg room and shoulder room than an escape. It's closer in size to the Ford Edge, a mid sized SUV, not a compact SUV like the Escape.
No it doesn't, otherwise just cancel "Mustang". In 30 years everything will be BEV, so are you saying there shouldn't be any carryover names from the ICE era?
Loving my Mustang Mach-E GT after more than a year. No HVBJB problems yet, fun to drive, roomy and practical, and very nice-looking inside and outside.
As someone who drives also an EV (one of the last 'old' Hyundai Ioniq with 38 kWh battery) and we got that car for a clear purpose it serves very well (drive up to 100km daily, charge at home) and the price made sense. I frankly do not understand the point of most of the EVs on the market today. Huge, heavy AF, with often ridiculous consumption that turns even a 80+ kWh battery packs into mediocre range - and all that is stuffed into an old architecture. I would like to replace our 'big' car with an EV eventually, but there is basically nothing on the market that would fit and not cost €100k. I guess I have to wait.
All they know is ridiculously big. I've been driving a Fiat 500e for 7 years now. Fun to drive, excellent driving feedback, no battery degradation, no mechanical problems ever, can't say enough good things about it. I test drove the Mustang last week, hated it. Just another boat.
The points made on this video are so profound and yet so down to earth and you guys managed to bring it in a very decent and subtle way. A masterpiece for an over-average viewer, and a bullion-holder individual.
They are totally missing the point in this video. If I were buying a car today it would have been Mach-E. You can't compare driving dynamics of an ICE vehicle with an EV. It's a totally different world. My daughter is BMW fan, she wanted one from when she was 14. She has now driven three BMW models, and she loves them, but she agreed driving Mach-E is a much more satisfying experience. The car looks great, it drives great. And it's foolish to say that it's overpriced. My wife's SUV cost almost the same, but Mach-E is better in every respect, except size. Add to that that it costs 1/5 per mile of a similar sized ICE vehicle, you don't need those frequent oil changes and service, you don't need to go to a gas station. So even from a pure cost perspective Mach-E will save you $20,000 during its lifetime compared to a similar priced SUV.
To me, this video smacks of *hit piece.* The funniest part is, if you scroll through the comments, there are dozens and dozens of Mach-e owners commenting. All of them, every single one, has drawn the opposite conclusion of these reviewers. They all love the car. If you want to know what's wrong with the Mach-e, check out Munro Live. They dished the dirt under the hood, in great detail (and yeah, it boils down to the same thing: they could increase efficiency a lot by going with a clean slate design) But none of that means it's a not a great car to drive. And none of that means there's no reason to buy it over an ICE car. On these two points, the Goose clearly got it wrong. When your key points are subjective, the opinions of actual owners matter. And the owners love the car.
@@Taykorjg Because no one else is doing it. This isn't like a gas station, they are only used for 5% of miles driven and can't support themselves with Twinky and Cola sales.
I'm a Tesla S owner, and anyone who doesn't realize that the Mach is a great first EV effort is just ignoring what's right. I had a Mach E for two weeks while my S was being repaired (collision) and this is one buttoned up vehicle. There are a few wrinkles Ford will need to iron out but the Mach is a joy to drive, and my father in law (who owns it) has had zero issues in about 24K miles. The car is quiet, smooth, and rides every bit as good as my S and probably better. EDIT: right now as I type this, high $20k Machs are not available near me. I was looking in case I wanted to add a Mach E to my driveway. Any Mach in the 15,000 mile range used are listed in the mid $40k.
I like the Mach E. I have a mint 73' Mustang Mach One for weekend fun. I'd like a commuter car. Is there any car rental places that rents electric vehicles to try out? I'd like to rent one for a couple weeks to see how it fits into my life.
Good luck getting parts from Ford after a few years, when they become NA, as is typical with Ford vehicles. Good luck getting the battery parts aftermarket too. That would be a very expensive part for the aftermarket to risk investing in.
@@tompastian3447 What are you even talking about? Hyundai is totaling brand new cars because of a scratch on the skid plate. Battery is $65,000 installed on a $55,000 car. We (city of Las Vegas) have no trouble getting anything for our Ford Superduties, we have about 9000 of them. Most commercial workplaces still use Ford over any other brand. We have very little trouble with them. Can't use Toyota or Nissan, we load them too heavy. Beware of ANY EV. Tesla included. Needing a new battery is a certainty.
It's been like the last two weeks. These guys were just reviewing the Mustang and waxing philosophically on the inevitability of a BEV only future. I'm getting whiplash from the sudden change in rhetoric.
Your channel deserves an Oscar for quality of content . My favorite take on automobiles, really resonate with your thought process. So happy with my MDX type S I bought because of your review!❤
My wife fought me on buying one. With Ford rebates and zero % financing we bought the GT. We have now owned it for a month and she loves it. The cost of driving it roughly 1200 miles for the month of April was $38.
Jack lookin' sharp in that McLaren hoodie 😍 Seriously though, I always find it illuminating when you guys go into depth on battery chemistry and cooling. Great video!
Lots of great points. I've had a GT for a year, and while I do love the car, I've had that contactor failure happen to me twice in the first 20k miles. I'm hoping they figure their shit out through this recall, or Ford will be buying it back.
@@DanielDaniel1 I had a model 3 performance before my Mach E. It was fine, but felt too sterile in how it handled and drove. Fast as hell, no doubt. The Mach E has a more playful chassis. It squats, dives, and rolls, like the Mustang that Ford named it after. Overall, more personality. Also, I'm tall and need to fit 2 kids seats in the back seat. With the model 3, I had to move my seat forward enough to accommodate that it was a bit uncomfortable. No need to adjust my seat to fit the kids in the Mach E.
@@DanielDaniel1panel gaps. Looks are by opinion. Maybe the same reason we didn’t all buy Priuses several years back. The abundance of them and the owners thinking they’re better than all others. I think in Europe they’re called w@nkers
@@SylvesterJcat depends. Technically, because Ford named it as such, yes. But, a lot of people would agree that it doesn't follow the traditional formula of what a Mustang really is. Personally, I don't use that name. I just call it a Mach E.
When the Mach e first came out and when I was in the market for a new car. I definitely looked at it along with the Tesla. I ended going with a Tesla because I knew it had at least 4 - 5 years of manufacturing experience with the model 3 and 10 years with building EVs. The rebates also helped the decision, but end of the day.. I saw a lot of early adopter issues with the Mach e, it was heavily marketed and also 10k more than a model 3. Now having my model 3 for two years, I’m more than happy with my purchase decision. The EV met my needs for my 2nd car, a city / commuting vehicle going under less than
A lot of buyers do not consider that an EV is more than an electric motor and a battery, this video is a good example. Most don’t consider that all manufacturers in the US outsource their components and parts and then assemble the finished product. Along with the outsourced components, comes different software, you might have 150 different components with all different software, THERE IS NO WAY TO FULLY INTEGRATE THESE COMPONENTS ! This is why you buy a Tesla; it is a fully integrated EV with a proprietary system. When you buy a Tesla , you have bought the equivalent of a smart phone, when you buy any other manufacturer, you have bought the equivalent of a flip phone.
You can’t keep an EV for a long time. It’s not like old family vehicles where you say “she still runs like day one!”, ie.. ur not gonna be able to pass it down. Or even sell it to anyone
@@Squidward_Tikiland , all Teslas are built for 1 million miles , the batteries 300,000-500,000. I’ve owned a Model 3 for 6 years , it has 105,000 miles and 95% of its battery life left, it looks and runs like new and has had no maintenance except tires.
Having worked in engineering, the contactor issue is highly concerning. Not only because Ford changed up parts without considering the consequences, but it tells me there was no final product validation testing for the longer range version, where they would've found the problem and could've fixed it before it went to market. Whoever signed off on that just lost Ford a lot of money in recalls and reputation.
Bought one non GT in 2021….love it. The range is never really a problem. I would say if range is a problem and you need to in your life frequently drive long distances Electric cars aren’t for you and you probably knew that. But if your daily commute is 40 minutes and maybe then you wanna go out at night it’s not really a problem.I think I’ve had to bring it in twice so far so really not that bad. The EV is cheaper for me. What I worry is long term car health but I love some of the safety systems. I got this because it was available over the competitors. I think the main issue with sales is you really need to own your home to want/use an EV.
Yep. The people complaining about EVs don’t tend to own EVs. The charging gap issue for non single family homes does exist, and we’re working on it. Not a huge problem at the moment because a mere 8% of new car sales are currently EVs. We’ll be lucky to hit 25% by 2030, this transition has a lot of runway to iron out the details.
"I think the main issue with sales is you really need to own your home to want/use an EV." I agree, this is the big hurdle I never hear people talk about. Look at the demographic that's most interested in EVs, and it's exactly the demographic that's stuck renting. Without a good way to charge at home why would you buy an EV in the current marketplace? There aren't enough chargers at apartment complexes or workplaces and the charge points around town, if there are ones even convenient to you, are too slow.
@@str1fe13 I never see it addressed how electrics are ever going to be handled in dense urban environments. As a former New Yorker, I can't imagine how EV's will be charged in Brooklyn, Manhattan, the Bronx...
Technology Connections (UA-cam channel) did a video talking about EV charging and laid out some ways to get EV charging as a renter, but it simply is not possible for many situations. It would suck/be impossible to rely on charging stations only
Great video! EV shouldn’t be a premium option, and with the government funds should be the budget options, people want to pay less for reliable transportation. They need to go back to selling the reliability and simplicity at a reasonable cost
I am afraid the Industry does not want to do cheap anymore. They are all taking aim at the high end high profit market. If it is not a Great big Truck or an executive express, it won't be made - and that is all engine types, not just EVs.
Agreed. Part of the reason why automakers are trying to make EVs full of fancy features is because they need to distinguish it from ICE counterparts. As for simple and reliable, if GM gave the Chevy Bolt faster high speed charging speeds, it'd be just about the perfect "budget" EV. Cheaper than others, very efficient and simple
I've always had a strong preference for Ford and Mustang, so on the day Ford opened orders for the Mach-E, I sat by my computer waiting for the countdown on the screen to finish. The moment it was available, I submitted my order, hoping to get my hands on the Mustang Mach-E as soon as possible. Unfortunately, just after driving over a thousand miles, the HVAC needed to be completely replaced, followed by a damaged battery. Coupled with the indifferent attitude of an unscrupulous STEALERship, my Mach-E spent thirteen weeks with the dealership for repairs. Ford took the initiative to offer a repurchase at the original price, ending my twenty-month nightmare. As you said in your video, I don't miss it one bit, and I will never again purchase any Ford or Lincoln vehicle.
@@youngroosevelt38 Yes, but not without pain. Ford's Repurchase Team gave me a 48-hour ultimatum to sell back the problematic car. Wrestling with them, I realized deeply - to me, it was a $53,125 lemon, but to them, I was just a Case ID. They didn't care at all about the customer experience or suffering, they just wanted to close each case as quickly as possible.
I totally agree with you about how the car was created out of panic, but sometimes great things come that way, and in my opinion, they hit the ball out of the park with the Mach E!
Cold weather states, apartment/condo dwellers and the hassle of having to plan ahead charging for long distance trips are the biggest hurdles for EV to overtake ICE and hybrid.
As a senior citizen (67 years old) I don't see myself driving an electric car. I thought about a Mini electric, but with a range of only 110 miles just traveling around Ohio would be difficult for a lack of charging stations. But as your video points out, first generation electric cars are not better than ICE vehicles. Keep up with the honest reviews.
You’re missing some clear benefits you may not have considered: As close to zero maintenance that there is. When you approach it, it unlocks the doors for you. When you get in, it’s already “on”. When you get out, just walk away - it turns off, rolls up the windows for you and locks the doors. Extremely quick for on ramps, merging, passing. Everyday you get into it, it has a full tank again as it charged overnight. Very few wearable parts in the drivetrain greatly increases longevity. There are many factors older people are unaware of that just make day to day driving easier and more enjoyable in something like a Tesla.
But as I stated the charging stations are few and far between in Ohio. I understand the benefits of owning one. My car has the same features as the electric car ( unlocks when I approach it) by the way I bought a 2023 GTI and it is the last car I will own. If you do some research on electric cars, they are not going to save the planet and are really just as bad for the environment as ICE cars. I don't believe that we humans are hurting the planet and climate change has been happening since the Earth first came into existence.
@@aussie2uGA I understand some of those items but there are ICE cars that do most of the fancy wizz bang stuff already. Heck my 2006 Infiniti unlocked when I walked up to it as does my Lincoln though I have to grab the door handle first. It would be nice to charge every night.....if I had a garage. I doubt most would like me running an extension cord across the sidewalk. Now I completely agree as I hit 70 yeah not having to do all the maintenance would be great. Just like anything there are those they work great for and those they don't. I think what turns most off is really the poor state of non-tesla charging, and the feeling we are going to be pushed into them come hell or high water when in many cases they are inferior to ICE vehicles in some ways while better in others. Interest rates though are an obvious factor in all vehicles at the moment and since many non tesla EVs tend to be over 50K that is a huge turn off.
I hear ya, just wanted to share my perspective after coming from 20+ years of buying german performance cars. The Tesla does represent a "lithium golf cart experience" in that you need do nothing to it but hop in the seat and press the pedal. Maintenance is keeping tires with tread on it. It's been a game changer. Here's to hoping you can get even a 110V outlet near where you might park one :)@@davehilling3944
I am a Mustang Mach-E owner and appreciate the very realistic review of this car. I bought my vehicle used. There was no way it made sense to buy this vehicle new at there 2023 prices. I think my opinion off the car once I eventually walk away from it will depend on how well this recall service goes and just how upside down in value I end up.
Every time I ask mach e owners about their car. They say it's the best cat they have ever had and are super happy with them. From the one I test drove one time I had a good experience with it myself
I think one of the issues that earlier adopters and some of the more die hard ev pushers need to understand that it's not simply "range anxiety" it's a lack if charging infrastructure. Somewhere around 30%...almost 1/3 of the US population rents. Charging at home isn't an option. Ev charging stations,out side of tesla, aren't nearly as dependable or prevalent as the gas stations. For me that means I want 250 miles, MINIMUM of expected city/commute out of an ev because I don't want to go out of my way to charge it more than once every week or 2. If you want mass acceptance. They can't be luxury priced. Ive seen 'But those cheaper ones didn't sell well'.. the only sub 30k models I'm even aware of are the Nissan leaf and the Chevy bolt. The leaf only gets 150 miles and has a design that won't appear to everyone. The bolt, I'd consider if I were in the market Outside of those two models, if all you want is a civic or Carola none of the fuel savings or maintenance savings matter if it takes up to 10 years for the price to equal out. Granted you can get that down to 6 years or fewer years if 1. Your income is high enough to have 7500 in tax liability. About 60k if you just take a standard deduction. 2. Drive 15k+ miles per year 3. Can't perform basic routine maintenance. Oil, brakes, battery...maybe a fluid change here and there. You're asking people to pay more for less convenience and just sort of hope tech improves.
I do own this car GT performance and I do love it, can't get my wife out of it she loved her Subaru until I bought this car. We rarely fast charge so maybe this is good. This is a fast smooth handling dream to drive. The biggest reason people are not buying is interest rates. When GM gets the new pick up out I will likely get one. My daily driver is a 3500 Ram
Professor John Kelly has been a favorite of mine for a long time glad to see you guys enjoy his videos as much as I do. The best part of this car to me is the drive line of it. That drive unit is quite interesting what they did in it. For an otherwise unexciting car.
I think the slow down in EV purchases has to do with a few things... namely: charging infrastructure, interest rates being insane, and the quality of EVs coming out from legacy OEMs.. it'll be interesting to see how OEMs adapt to the smarter consumer.
The biggest thing slowing down EV sales is dealerships. They slap ungodly markups on EVs, and they’re not even good at attracting customers to EVs in the first place.
@@mal4951That's a funny way to look at it. Volkswagen agreed to do EA as compensation for harm that it caused. If not for that agreement with the government, there would be no EA stations at all. Would you then say, thank the government for the lack of chargers? And, the government didn't tell them to suck. They did that all on their own. And, for good measure, EVGo and ChargePoint decided to suck too. This pathological blaming of "the government" for things the government never did, is a big part of why our society is in the many huge messes it's in right now.
As a European I drive a subcompact diesel Renault SUV. It easily gets 55mpg, it is relatively clean thanks to the AdBlue fluid, and it was relatively cheap to buy. Why the hell people opt to spend so much money on such an expensive and unpractical SUV is beyond me.
Your car compares to a Chevy Bolt which get 99empg and costs close to $17k USD with tax incentives. This is a midsized, near luxury SUV. They compared it to a BMW x3.
@@rwilliams79 I have a range of about 1100km on a single tank of fuel which I can refill for less than 5 minutes... Also Im pretty sure no one compares a Bolt to an X3. Cheers!
While i could name a few advantages this has over gas cars, one you omitted is not paying for gas. The cost of "fuel" over a gas car often makes the car payment. I know its cool to shit on EVs but they do some things better for sure. Like if you leave one running in the garage you dont eventually die.
A lot of hybrids will pay off their price premium quickly, especially if you drive a lot. Comparing like-for-like equipment, the price premium is rarely over 2 grand.
@@ultrastoat3298 I’m not saying every hybrid is perfect, but having owned one for 3 years/40k miles, I’ve just found myself thinking, every time I’ve been sitting in traffic, or coasting down a hill or to a red light, “wow, if my car wasn’t a hybrid, I’d just be wasting gas right now”; I feel like a self-calculated lifetime average of 49mpg speaks for itself. The specific hybrid I bought-a ‘20 Sonata hybrid-i bought because I’d been seeing a disproportionate number of first-gen Sonata hybrids (2011-2013) compared to the total number of that generation they sold. Of course, Toyota’s hybrid system is also pretty legendarily reliable, too. I just think that if people were more honest with themselves about it, we’d be at like 50% hybrid market share by now. Not all hybrids are good, but a lot of them are.
My mach-e had the junction box problem, its a premium awd extended range. Since it’s been fine, i actually like the car. I dont plan on keeping it beyond the extended warranty though. The value is horrible though, i paid almost $60k in Jan 2022, now it’s worth like 25k, that is horrible.
Traditional OEM’s were in a rush. They took an ICE vehicle, slapped on a battery and a power drive system and sold a first generation BEV. Demand is not slowing for BEV’s. Demand is slowing for 1st generation BEV’s from the traditional car manufacturers.
The fact that it doesnt have an ICE is the exact reason why I want one. Im an electrical engineer and ICE vehicles are too complex and rely on too many fluids and things like compression and gaskets to work properly over a long time. Im all set. I'll gladly slap a new battery in one of these in 6 years and literally get a brand new vehicle.
I bought an EV largely because of financial reasons. I compared apple to apples with the ICE counterpart/models (even looking at different brands) and the EV was the clear winner in terms of cost of ownership. HOWEVER, this was only true because of government rebates. Also not having to do oil changes is a bonus as I do them myself. I do miss the feeling of being connected to the car in an ICE.
These are many reasons I got one too. And the mustang mach e was a top contender so much I put a regular 14-50 plug in my garage over a Tesla wall connector despite my wife having her own Tesla. I think the problem here is more ford. Their two main EVs are too expensive and they tried to shoehorn regular cars into an electric platform. The other is simply pricing. And whether they can make money at the price or not is irrelevant- I found the Mach e acceptable. It’s the fact I also wanted a lightning and was expecting a decent ability to get it at around $50k. But it was the same century old car dealer tactic. No base models at all anywhere. Only platinum or maybe one XLT and all had $7500 premiums or more on pricing. I’m tired of the car dealer BS. Which isn’t talked about enough with Tesla. You find your model and hit buy.
@alexanderkennedy2969I think if there were stories of long term EV owners actually coming out ahead financially by buying an EV over an ICE car, we'd be seeing them all over the Internet. For the absolute majority of people, it doesn't make sense, and it won't really save you much over the lifetime of the vehicle. I really doubt most people buying these are doing so because of the economy factor
I am a little leery of a drastic reduction in cost of ownership. I do get the oil change comment but anything I have referenced tires do wear faster, brakes slower and so on. Some will balance out others will not. Now add in the rapid depreciation on EVs 8 years appears to be the life of one or at least the battery. ICE powertrain will be longer. The other mention in the video is comparing a F150 to Lightening off road, the later with so much as a ding in the battery pack could lead to failure or worse. I live in rural central Ontario Canada, will be years if at all I go EV. The entry cost alone removes them from consideration.
@@waynekibbler2710 I guess I just struggle with the massive push that's happening right now to promote and invest in a technology (EVs) that do not meet the needs of the majority of people. If you're going to completely change the status quo of the automobile industry and do away with ICE, it's a hard sell when the replacement is full of compromises
I drive Uber and I have decided to do the whole Hertz EV (Tesla) rental thing for a month. I was extremely disappointed. I rented Model 3 with extended range package. Not once did a got nowhere near 345 miles range.....specially not during the Texas heat wave where we had almost 40 days of temperature around 109.....During the 8 hour work day I had to charge it twice.....and if I really decide to push and go for 12 hours, I'd have to hit charging station again....while my 2010 Accord will do almost 400 miles on less than $40......and only one five minute stop.....I'm sorry but EV's are somewhat of scam and a gimmick.....Liberals and rich folks get hard thinking about EV's....mostly cuz they think they're better than everybody else and that they know better.....
Excuse the long post: As someone who bought an MME a few months ago ('22 California Route 1 AWD, 8k miles at about 42k), I agree with everything you guys said here. Luckily no serious issues pertaining to the recalls (yet), and the only maintenance I've done so far has just been a cabin air filter replacement and tire rotation. However, the thing that's killing me constantly is range anxiety, even in a car with 300 miles of range(more like 240-280 on a good day after what HVAC and other things sap). The issue is, once I drive that range out, I don't have the luxury of a supercharger near me like Tesla owners do, and I'm made to either drive a town over for an Electrify America station, or charge from my apartment unit at 1kW per hour. Technically, Tesla superchargers are supposed to accomodate other EVs by spring 2024, but I won't hold my breath. Last complaint, if you get one of these and you live in an area that takes longer to repave roads than Valve can utter the number 3, it will ride like a bouncehouse, and the headrests aren't exactly pillows to catch you. A part that especially resonated with me was when you mentioned the car just doesn't feel special, which is awful for this price point, even at the price I got it for. I feel nothing walking away to or from it, and when I can finally get rid of it, I don't think I'll feel anything then either(aside from relief from range anxiety). I still have no idea what to get for my next car, but I'm probably going back to ICE/hybrid since it's pretty apparent auto manufacturers are finally admitting they're not ready to enter the EV space and are backing down from projects. Only thing that could keep me with EVs would be if the Model 3 refresh has better build quality, and even then I'm not jazzed about the interior that looks like an Apple Store with about 20% less soul. I am also aware that Ford is among the manus that said they'd switch charge ports to the Tesla standard, but I still wouldn't buy a Mach E again knowing what I know now. TL;DR this car's super phoned in and you have a lot of better options in every single area it tries to inhabit
I'll bet your experience would be way better if you had a level two charger where you lived. I can charge at home, and when I get my first EV in a few months, I'm sure that will make all the difference.
@@Tom-dt4ic If I was a homeowner, I agree, the charging issue would probably iron out. Unfortunately the way my complex and unit are, I have to run an extension cord from a 120V outlet to my car in parking. I'm not completely closed to owning another EV because the minimal maintenance is very nice, but for where I'm at in life rn, my only option is really Tesla unless they don't cut corners on making their superchargers available to all EVs
I also bought a Mach-E this summer, California Route 1, but I absolutely adore it and have no range anxiety. Part is living in a home where we could install a level 2 charger. If people can't do that, it makes owning an EV much more challenging, since the nearest fast chargers to me are half an hour or more away. However, my car has been able to do 4 road trips, twice on a 1300 mile round trip vacation, and twice on a 1700 mile round trip to see family. Minimal issues with charging or range anxiety. It's not for everyone yet, because you have to be willing to plan ahead and have back-up plans, and stops may take longer, though with kids and dogs, rest stops always took longer already. EV ownership is slowing because the cars are still expensive and interest rates are high. Growing pains. EVs will continue to become more common over time.
When you say manufacturers are not ready to enter the EV space you should be specific - traditional ones from both US (like Ford) and EU (Volkswagen). But if you look at Chinese market you will be surprised how READY these manufacturers are from an affordable price: you can get MME equivalent car for 20-25K with even better options, real government subsidies and charging networks. This is an example of how EV market should look like.
When your arguing for or against electrification, the savings in maintenance, repairs, and efficiencies are real. Also the convenience of plugging in at home base every night especially if you’re a fleet customer. I don’t know if the maintenance and repairs issue applies to ford. Probably not. But it does apply to tesla and probably BSD and hyundai
Incredibly, and refreshingly, brutally frank (especially the closing comments) that matches with my feelings about this particular make and model. Thanks for doing this!
I’m a Mach E owner and I feel the opposite. I love mine. It’s a great blend of sportiness and utility given the efficiency of electric. I have a GT Performance Extended Range. So far so good. Chose it over the Tesla model Y.
Don't let bad reviews make you fearful of buying an EV or a MachE specifically. I own one and love it. They are great cars. We test drive EV6, Ionic 5, model 3 and Y and thought this was the best of the bunch and the best value used.
I was considering this thing after watching Doug gush over it… but he only looks at the superficial, not the practical long term effects that most consumers deal with. I enjoy your “deeper dives” into these products looking at them from many angles.
It's about first impressions and emotion with Doug. It turns out that a lot of people spend a lot more time planning out a purchase like this than he gives them credit for.
FORD should have done a better job sizing the affluent market. Oh, and how much of this market would they capture given the competition? Oh, what happens if the competion (Tesla) lowers their prices?
Correction. An entire *product line* geared towards the affluent. If EVs were cheaper and charging was more accessible they would be more successful in the mass market.
So i have had one of these for like a year and a half, this comment that Jack is making about if it was comparable in price to a Bronco Sport, he could forgive a lot of its shortcomings, is INSANE!?! If you swapped the battery tech for a gas engine the car would still be way more premium offering than something like a Bronco Sport?? That comment really threw me
I have had my Mach-e GTpe for over 2 years and love it as much as the day I got it.. more fun than any GT500 or Mustang GT's I have owned and unlike Tesla, it drives exactly like an ICE vehicle, except for the smooth, quiet, insane acceleration, I will buy another when they offer more power and fix the 5 second issue. Also unlike Tesla, I have Android Auto, Alexa, Homelink, SiriusXM, BLIS, no hands liftgate, etc.
I agree partially with your critique of the Mack E. I think the thing that it gives you that gas don’t has been left out. You see, I’m not a climate guy but am an EV guy. The car doesn’t have any emissions on the uses end. For me, it smoother, quieter, and less maintenance. I been driving them since 2011 and Hybrids since 2007. There are many things that I can think of that it offer that gas don’t. The single reason I haven’t purchased a Mach E is the price. I have sat in them. I have been asked if I wanted to drive one. I told them well there wasn’t any need, because I won’t pay that much for any car. I don’t need a race car. If they were $35,000, I’d have one today.
We own a Tesla Model Y long range and have driven it from IN to AZ to Main to FL and back to IN without any issues. Our Model Y is the best car we have ever owned and will buy another one
We love ours. Had it for about six month now. It's been great. We also have a BMW plug in hybrid X5 which we use for longer trips etc. These electric cars are great, but only if you have a level 2 home charger and you rarely if ever charge in public. I think if you fit that criteria, you probably already have an electric car. That's why the market is drying up for fully electric cars.
It is intresting to see people investing large amounts of money into these 1st gen cars that aren't fully proven yet. When i wanted a EV i was worried about that. Whats the longevity on these normal companies EV's? I know tesla has been doing it for a long time now, so i just went with them. Mainly for the reliable aspect but also for the charging network as well.
My oldest niece and her husband live about 45min north of San Fran, and they got in early with a long Range Calif Route 1 a couple years ago. The car is very comfortable, I like driving one foot, and at 80% charge, it sits around 230 miles range. This is more than enough range for most of their needs, especially since they have a giant solar array on their roof, with Level 2 charging. Besides, literally everywhere I drove the thing when I was out there had a charging station, and I never had to use one, anyway. I seriously considered looking into getting one myself, I liked it that much, then I remembered I live in Duluth freaking Minnesota, where -20° happens frequently in the winter, and we have like 2 charging stations in town, and half the time they’re broken. Think I’ll hold off, and stay with my F-250 Powerstroke awhile longer. I did like the car, though.
The huge solar array is a good argument - if you put one on your roof. I am in a similar situation - I always got 2 cars for now, city driving EV, long distance my GT which is an ICE
@@anthonybaker9270 well I have both, an EV and an ICE, chose what is good for you personally mate. If an EV does not work for you fine, get an ICE car. I now will have to get a new long distance 1st car.
@@anthonybaker9270 guarantee you I’m not in the 0.1%, or even the top 25%, but I totally agree with the Savagegeese guys, the prices on EV’s have to get more reasonable. I could make an EV work quite well with my driving habits and income level, but where I live is a frozen wasteland for 6 months of the year, and I still have issues with that and EV ownership.
I remember a great quote from the CEO of Ford, in the original "who Killed the Electric Car. His quote was," You cannot sell a limited use product at a full use price ". Still true.
I think companies should focus first on hybridization of their full lineups, and slowly introduce pure evs after there has been a broader build up of the charging infrastructure nationwide
That would have been a wise move 10-15 years ago. Legacy auto is about to be caught in the Valley of Death. The sales of their profitable products is declining while Tesla sells cars at a higher profit per car then Ford and GM combined. Legacy auto are soon to become the next Nokia, Kodak, BlackBerry and now forgotten horse buggy brands from a century ago.
There won’t be any use for EV charging infrastructure without EVs on the road to use it. As an owner of an EV the last two years, I find the existing charging infrastructure totally workable. Remember that most EV owners charge at home most of the time. That is easier and way cheaper than any gas station.
@@COSolar6419 I take it you live somewhere where the electrical grid is in decent shape. Where I live, there is no way you're going to have many people charging at home due to the bad infrastructure. I've blacked out the neighborhood twice with merely two welders running at the same time, and instead of fixing the issue, the electric company band-aids it and asks me not to weld. Seriously. The entire county has four public charging stations. Four. Only two of those are located in our biggest city of 30,000 people. I don't know about you, but I don't consider this "totally workable."
@@TheREALJosephTurner The charging infrastructure varies widely across the country. So does the power grid. In some areas the latter requires significant investment and expansion with or without widespread adoption of EVs. Time of use rates can shift charging away from peak demand periods which is where the choke points are. I live in a town of 20,000 in western Colorado. Three years ago there were zero fast chargers in town. Today there are sixteen DC fast charging dispensers and ten free Level 2 EV charging plugs available. We haven’t suffered any blackouts as a result.
@@COSolar6419 "Remember that most EV owners charge at home most of the time. That is easier and way cheaper than any gas station." is relative. Once you live in a much larger city, where home prices start skyrocketing and there is HEAVY reliance on public chargers, it can very quickly turn to non-workable. To me, I would much rather go to a gas station for 5 min a week (or 2 weeks if I get a hybrid). My alternatives being to either sit at a public charger...or to spend near $1M for a detached home just to have the luxury of a home charger. Don't take home charging for granted..it can be VERY challenging.
Nacs adoption in 2025 hurt them, lfp packs and the tax credit moving to a pos redeemable rebate starting Jan 1st of 2024 all have hurt ev sales. Still up globally over 40% ytd I mean what a sales slump right? From 12% of sales were ev&phev in 2022 to over 18% So far in 2023. 😁👍🏻
@@pauledwards1157 There are tons of gas-powered vehicles sitting on dealer lots too. I guess that means people don't want them... You sure are smart. :)
I'm slowly window shopping for a new vehicle and the Mach E keeps popping up for me because it kind of fits a number of my needs. It's a (relatively) sporty hatch that makes commuting cheap. Not to mention the fact that with the downturn of EVs and the recalls for this model you can honestly get a decently specced used model with less than 30k on the clock in the low 20s. That in a world of $30-50k brand new cars is enticing. Especially if the recalls are performed by someone who isn't a straight up chimp and knows what they're doing. However, the whole generational approach to EVs has me wondering if it's worth it even at that price point.
This is a perfect conversation around the problems with EVs in general. Other than the novelty factor they really don't offer much over a comparable ICE vehicle at the proposed price. EVs make total sense for many commercial vehicles or cheaper commuter/city cars, but the push for them in the luxury segment is where the market has really gone off track. It just too hard of a sell for most people.
own one and come back here, or at least drive one and come back here. You get more interior space in a smaller car, you get better driving characteristics, little to no maintenance, and no need to fill up at the station. The only draw back to an EV where it isn't light years ahead of a gas vehicle is the time to charge. But even that's not that bad and Tesla chargers are begin opened to all manufacturers.
I got my GT in 2021. Only paid MSRP, even though dealer tried to tack on $5k at the last minute. Only have had a few glitches and no dreaded hvbj failures. I love it as my daily driver; its quick to get up to speed, fun to play around with, has enough featured to justify the cost, and is comfortable to drive on my 30m work commute and the local roads. I just paid it off since I plan on driving it into the ground. I can't really imagine a better car for me.
@@ronaldarchibald2506 the idea of imports mattered back when most of the components came from the USA... but most don't so who really cares about where the Chinese parts are put together?
I was looking for your Land Rover Defender review and stumbled on this one. We have a Mach-e cyber orange supreme and absolutely love this car. The ratings for satisfaction are very high and I do have to say both my wife and I have never had a car , and we've had a lot of cars and trucks, that we've had as much fun with as this one. It's fast, love the one pedal driving, corners great, ride is well controlled, and it never disappoints whenever we take it anywhere. Love this car. PS. We went to the dealer to buy a Bronco Sport and my wife saw this car on the lot. The Bronco Sport was awful, this was a blast!. Got a great deal with the electric discount and Ford discounts, special financing, and it was cheaper than the Bronco. No brainer.
Agree with the tenor of this video, although the Mach E has actually grown on me over the past couple of years, thanks to a neighbor owning one and me seeing it everyday. EVs still don't make sense for a lot of people, but the government is mandating their proliferation - the manufacturers are simply marching to the tune of their drummer. In the mean time, I'll keep driving my 3 row, V8 powered luxury SUV 'til the wheels fall off.
EVs make sense for everyone who cares how much their great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's pretty much what's at stake. How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how bad the crops failures are 50 or a hundred years from now, and how many millions of people are displaced from the area where they grew up. So when they say, "there's no reason to buy this car," they're leaving out a big one. And it's not the only good reason.
@@echodelta2172 I'm repeating the concern voiced by Edward Teller on behalf of the nation's physicists, when he gave an invited address to the American Petroleum Institute in 1959. Teller, in case you don't recall, was for several decades the favorite scientist of the political right in the US. He had a column in Reader's Digest and served (unofficially, I believe) as a spokesman for several right wing causes.
What a load of crap. EVs are not saving the planet. Stop with the BS. Better mass transit. Clean alternative fuels like efuel from Porsche. Folks keeping their cars for longer. These are more sensible options. To tell me that such a resource- intensive thing as an EV with a huge carbon footprint in its manufacture, not to mention a lot of components in EVs are made from derivatives of oil. Wake up mate. The grandkids will be fine😂
@@davidmenasco5743 With all the depopulation from declining birthrates, we won't need to worry about having enough food -- it'll be having enough people.
Ford started out well. They got a rather mediocre car out but they got it out early. It doesn't look so good on paper or in photos but it's much nicer when you see it in real life. It was a pretty decent first attempt. Then nothing happened. When Tesla launched the Model 3 it got a lot of criticism. The roasting by Sandy Munroe is famous now. Then they started iterating like crazy. The 2020 Model 3 was like a new car compared to the 2018 version. The 2023 Highland is said to be the same again. The Model Y is supposed to be the world's best selling car this year yet next year the new version of it is coming out. As they keep iterating and finding better way to do things, it gets cheaper. So then they can cut the price. It's a virtuous circle. I can think of plenty of new things between the M3 of a few years ago and today: double glazed windows, HW4, improved cameras, ventilated seats, powered boot, faster processor, better screen, rear screen, new suspension, etc. Maybe it's Ford failing to promote its car but I can't think what the exciting things are about the new model. Phillip.
Auto manufacturers used to have marketing research departments to determine what the consumers wanted, now they just do whatever the government tells them to do.
Feels like EVs have saturated their market, the early adopters who are good dealing with the shortcomings of an EV, enthusiasts. The infrastructure isn't there to get regular people out of ICE cars while cross-shopping.
A Ford F150 Lightning was supposed to start under 40k. Then dealers decided to shaft its customers with "market adjustments". Then Ford raises starting price to 49k? That's why. Interesting how other products generally get less expensive over time, except cars and houses.
I've had a Tesla Model 3 since mid-2019. I like the styling of this vehicle more than the Model Y or my M3P, but when comparing the two with all factors considered, if I were to make a move, I'd have to get this at a great price to choose it over one of Tesla's offerings. Also, the fact it is manufactured in Mexico is a factor. With interest rates where they are and people being pissed at dealers for taking advantage of supply issues with market adjustments, I think it lead a lot of would-be buyers to hesitate on these. Couple that with this recall, it's not all that surprising they are having more difficulty selling them.
Something else that doesn't help with EV sales is that dealerships and salesmen have no incentive to sell EVs. Salesmen have to spend more time per customer and dealerships don't get a lot of service revenue from them. Despite being a Tesla skeptic, one of the things I think they did great is selling direct. No shenanigans, test drive one at a showroom, go online, hit "order" and pick up the car in a few weeks at most.
Comming up on our 3rd year of ownership of a Select RWD I would agree the higher packages are not a "great deal" but for the high 30s on the lower end I would be hard pressed to find an ICE rig that is a fun to drive and I could fuel for free. The average person can not put an oil refinery on their roof..😊
I don’t think you are fueling for free. Unless it is from your place of employment. Even if you have solar panels at home you paid an upcharge for the privilege.
Well that's nice if you're allowed to own a home but no one can buy a home anymore unless they already owned one before the rates went up. Home ownership is impossible for new buyers and renters have zero options for home charging.
With the recent price cuts and 0% financing, it made sense to me pick one up. Premium AWD extended battery for $45k. This thing was marked at 60,100 2 weeks before ai picked it up. I have access to free charging and get 300 miles per charge. I’m in a busy city and have access to over 150 chargers within 10 miles of my house as well just in case. We do have a gas car in our lineup for extended trips, but can say after 1300 miles in 2 weeks, this thing is pretty sweet. I can also see why EV’s don’t make sense to some, but if you can make it work I would 100% recommend it.
This is another thing about EVs that pisses me off …… extended battery pack ! I mean why not have every car with a half decent range straight out of the box ? You get conned into paying extra for something you should already have ! I blame musk for starting this bullshit. When you buy an ICE powered vehicle, they don’t ask you if you want to pay thousands of dollars extra so you can have a decent range of! ICE cars just automatically come that way ! EVs with a single motor drive just fine , if people want extra performance that can be an option and fine . Having a decent range out of the box should not be a pay option ! I might add , having limited range also has safety implications ! If your wife or son or daughter run out of range at night in a bad place …… that is just not acceptable, it’s bullshit, and why people are not calling this out is just beyond belief.
Exactly. The Lightning makes a ton of sense for the right buyer. Anybody who needs a work truck for doing local jobs like a landscaper or electrician, or maybe an account rep doing sales calls racking up 200-300 miles per day. Hell, tow the bass boat 50 miles out to the lake and back 7/days a week/ 365 days a year and just charge every night after packing the fish in the freezer. The Lightning is perfect for that owner. It falls on its face if you wanna tow a horse trailer all over the country.
We should expect more and I'm glad for this constructive criticism. With new mustangs we have NACS adoption happening, access to the Tesla charging network, improved battery chemistry and reduced cost, ie more value. The criticism is legit but it's looking at the past, not forward.
Its going to be worth sweet fukc all second hand.And still wont go as fast as my ICE Mustang.So you are fooling yourself if think its a performance car.Its an SUV with a Mustang badge nothing more or less.
Have had my 2022, MME GTP for about 9 mos now. Went through the recall pretty seamlessly. Also withstood the subzero temperatures relatively successfully (no stalling or being stranded). I drive it to work 3 or 4 times a week, with a total daily roundtrip time of around 150 mls. Earlier, I commented that I hope nothing terrible happens to the car, similarly to hoping not to go outside and get hit by a bus. Of course, those of us with a modicum of intelligence and/or life experience know that any car depreciates considerably once it's driven off the lot. Some more than others, I'm sure. However, I didn't buy my MME for the purposes of reselling it, tricking it out (too much), or drag racing. It's my daily-driver, family SUV, head-turner. AND, I pay $0.00 for gas!!! The savings I accrue compared to having to pay for premium grade for my former Audi Q5, at $5/gal for 450-600 mls per wk is ridiculous... In my favor. All that said, I really don't understand the immature vitriol from some on here. And about what?!? "My car is better than yours?!?!" GTFU (First word Grow, last word Up.) I hope you get what seems to be much needed respect from whoever sits in your passenger seat. But from what I see here, they either don't exist, or they deserve our sympathy.
Great video. Your best point was in regards to repair. None of the 25+ year veteran mechanics at the dealer have any interest in learning to fix EVs, and the vast majority of the younger guys who get by on brake jobs, alignments, and fluid flushes are not going to be able to do transition to the dangerous, highly specialized work of EV battery repair. That means that dealers will, by and large, want nothing to do with trying to fix them.
Aside from brake jobs , alignments… what is there to regularly repair with an EV? The fixed single gear tranny? The electric motors? The battery which is a one unit and warrantied for 8 yrs and 120k+ miles? Heck … you don’t even need oil changes or worrying about your exhaust rusting out or the tranny gear fluid getting old….
@@tangoESPECIAL you think these over-engineered junk piles arent going to ever have problems LOL. that's drinking the cool-aide. i know of plenty of electronic devices that has gremlins. these things are among the most complex pieces of electronics sold to the consumer.
Mark trying to keep his grin from his face when reading the drive mode descriptions made my day
Seeing the prices of new cars these days (ICE or EV) is just wild, and seeing sales fall off a literal cliff as soon as interest rates went up makes it abundantly clear - manufacturers did not expect interest rates to increase in the way that they have. They're pricing at least half or in many cases, most, of their lineups out of reach for most folks. It's simply asinine what average sales prices are right now and people are having to get 7-8 year loans just to buy them. It's not just EVs, the whole industry is NOT looking good.
I’m not in the market for a new vehicle at the moment - I like my current truck and have no valid reason to replace it. But I really wonder if you went in to a dealership and lowballed them - would they not take the deal? You’d think they’d want the car off their lot. Just low ball them and walk if they say no - just seems like they’ll eventually call you back. I could be wrong but seems to me they are going to be desperate to get rid of it.
Except Tesla keeps dropping price... Funny how Ford or most others think their first gen inferior EV should be priced higher than the industry leader..
@@ShenghongZhangit isnt that they think they should. Its that they literally cant due to how far behind tesla they are.
New car prices are stupid and all these manufacturers thought the price gouging pandemic prices would last forever but as usual their slow pace of being able to adapt to ever changing market trends has them assed out again almost like 2008.
Tons of greed going on too. Cost cutting plus price hikes for every brand.
In the UK, high initial price, high insurance and massive depreciation have turned the EV dream into a financial nightmare.
Yup people like to boast 'gas savings' but forget about the expensive insurance costs
@@Argedis and the stress on the power grid
@@Electronica27as if oil pumps don’t use electricity. And keep in mind, the grid keeps improving every year.
@@beanapprentice1687 clearly not fast enough with the recent blackouts.
@@Electronica27 what recent blackouts?
I’ve always said they should have waited to throw a Mustang badge on an EV and used the edge brand on their first EV SUV. I stand by that
"Mustangs are recognizable as Mustangs. This is not one of them" Is my only thought when I see one of these.
@@johnstuartsmiththey would do better is they would drop the mustang name from this vehicle
Good point, I also think Lightning would've been a great brand name for their EVs, not just the F150
I like Ford Galax-E
I've owned 9 Mustangs over the past 33 years, and I'm of the opinion Ford should have never pissed us older generation off by EVER naming an EV a Mustang.
This remains one of the only, if not THE only car review channel that doesn't sugarcoat their opinions/content to favor the manufacturers that lend them these vehicles. Refreshing as all hell. I've been watching for years
If u think that your not really even paying attention just youtube brown nosing
Not brown nosing, there might be some smaller channels but they don't have the production value of the goose.
Have you ever watched Throttle House??? They frequently shit on cars, including BMW and Ferrari. Camissa is the same. Like others have said, you're simply brown-nosing. Which is odd to do on UA-cam.
@@acerimmer8338I would say the only odd thing here is you guys accusing people of brown nosing because they haven't heard of certain other UA-camrs. This dude is clearly just leaving nice feedback.
@@Gertso Thank you. I don't watch every car review channel in existence. Of the ones I have seen, SG is by far the best. That's literally it. Idk why people on the internet get so offended all the time
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I think you nailed it. They didn't go into it trying to build a better car, regardless of being ICE or electric. They only went into it to follow the trend of electrification. That was a major mistake.
he just sounds sad when he talks about this car
It’s not a trend, they try to go from flip phone to smart phone 10 years after the released of the iPhone. They’re struggling. They’re trying not to become Kodak.
@@TheSteinbitt I don't think I explained it properly. I use "trend" in the sense that other autos primarily developed electric solutions because that's what regulators, politicians, and environmentalists have been demanding of auto manufacturers. Legacy autos had the goal of developing a car with an electric drivetrain. Whereas Tesla has the goal of building the best car (you can agree or not) that just so happened to have an electric drivetrain. There's a subtle, but important difference between the two. Put another way, it's like comparing a kid who does their math homework because they're told to vs a kid who does their math homework cause they find think it's fun. The latter kid is most likely to do better in math over time.
@@thesadboxman I agree with that, but I still think legacy auto tries as hard as they can, but they’re just not set up to succeed at it easily because of all the old corporate structure, factories, ICE engineers, unions and lack of software capabilities.
@@vikd4292in all fairness, he sounds sad regardless of what he’s talking about
Toyota has proven multiple time that the product doesn’t have to reach the market first, it just has to be a good product.
Toyota seems to believe that the future looks better for improved hybrids than for E.Vs.
@@johnstuartsmithmeanwhile they’re going to learn like ford and GM that jumping into EVs at scale is not as easy as it looks. The Chinese will eat their lunch even more than they already are by the time they figure out their EV software and battery supply chains.
@@xiaoka Toyota fan boys are just like IBM fan boys lol
@Dr_b_
Yeah, that is embarrassing for T although every company made silly QA f ups.
Obviously "wheels falling off" is a funny one 🤣
@@DDMSakb48- In a few years they will be as numerous as Studebaker fan boys, lol.
Interesting thoughts. I bought a mach-e a year ago and have since put over 20000 miles on it. I absolutely love not having to buy gas. i also live in Los Angeles where I don't freeze and lose too much range. This car is wonderful, and enjoyable to drive. i did test the Model Y, Ioniq 5, EV6, and id.4. The id.4 was my second choice, but I'm still very much happy with the Mach-e.
I think they are one of the best looking EVs.
"I also live in Los Angeles"
Why am I not surprised? lol
They also look like an SUV lol that a soy eater would drive@@TheBandit7613
@@Hoonter101 I have videos of the vehicles I drive. A vintage Jeep, 73' Mach One, 2022 F350 4x4 diesel.
What are you driving?
@@nodak81 why be a douche' bag?
I own a mustang Mach E 2022 long range battery. It is by far the best car I have ever owned.
I had a Mach E Premium AWD with the standard battery. I was in an accident three weeks ago - I walked away unharmed though the car was totaled. Every air bag deployed. It was the best car I've ever owned, full stop. And yes, I will think about this car fondly. I absolutely loved it.
Thanks for this story, I think this car has gotten too political. The name made people mad I guess. I see one on Ebay for 18K seems like a steal to me! I literally have a Tesla Supercharger station next door, people should move to the big city.
I love my 2022 Mach E and also a Model 3 and love both. Haven’t owned a gas car the last 3 years and have taken several 700-1,000 mile road trips without incident.
@@darrinv6798 do you have a preference? If so can you explain which one? 🙏
@@mauriciomendez1912 I hate sound like a Parrot but the Ford is built much better while the Tesla has a better charging Network. My Model 3 came from the factory with the right rear door severely out of alignment as well as an unaligned steering wheel (off 2-3 degrees to the right). The Tesla is also much louder on the highway which is something I’ve heard was resolved with the Highlander update. On long trips, I have a more consistent 100-170 kWh charging experience in the Tesla. The Ford has never failed me on trips but in the more rural areas of Ohio the highest speed L3 Chargers are 62.5 kWh ChargePoint ones. Ironically, while slow, the ChargePoints give me 90-100 pct of their advertised speed while the EAs and EVGos vary wildly often giving only 25-50% of their rated speed. I have seen 60-80 kWh on some older Tesla V2 SuperChargers but much more rare.
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My take…The Mustang for looks the Tesla because it’s just better in every other way.
Great video explaining corporate micromanagement and idiocy. This even goes beyond the car industry. Amazing to see this channel open to talk about it.
The government is also forcing this to happen.
FAR beyond the auto industry indeed
From the day the Mach E was announced I knew this was going to happen. Hell, I knew it was coming when they decided to drop small cars from the US lineup. Cutting corners and being reactive is SOP at Ford. The Explorer was their bread and butter, core to their vision, and what did they do? Rush it to market with a load of major issues.
The real surprise is that consumers keep falling for marketing BS. Of course, it doesn't help that many in the automotive press are complicit in pushing the hype.
@@maweitao Couldn’t agree more.
Still waiting for this channel to mention thermal runaway problem.
Mach E owner here, couple comments.
Very honest video. The HVJB issue explanation is one of the cleanest I’ve seen on the internet. Full credit to you for that and thanks for talking about it for those who don’t understand it yet, outside of the forums it’s hard to find good information on it.
I absolutely agree the pricing isn’t competitive yet, and as an owner, looking at the resale value is frustrating.
I do think you guys have ignored some of the innate advantages EVs have over ICE vehicles while discussing the car however. People debate whether this is a good or bad thing about EVs, but they are much more “appliance like” than an ICE vehicle. I do not maintain this car; no oil changes (or fluids at all really), rare break changes due to the regen breaking, no belts to worry about, and thousands of fewer parts to potentially fail long term than with an ICE. Turn the stupid acceleration noises off and it’s much quieter than an ICE as well. Sure, the screen looks like a tablet slapped on the dash, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy my Apple CarPlay at 2x+ the size in my wife’s car.
I don’t think range anxiety is a real thing for 95%+ of the actual driving occuring in America. Even charging only to 90% to maintain the longevity of my battery, I have 260 miles of range every day when I wake up. How much of America actually needs more than that in any given day? Sure, CCS networks are garbage, but Ford is wisely moving to NACS, which is a big step towards fixing that.
The “new ground” being broken here is the platform transition itself. I really think that’s being undervalued by your analysis. I think it’s kind of unrealistic to expect more than that from these manufacturer first attempts, they have to start somewhere. We’ve never seen a platform transition of this magnitude in our lives before - for the last century, it’s just been a refinement of ICE. Don’t undervalue the effort and significance of getting even just a passing grade with these first efforts.
Am I looking forward to what the future holds for EVs, both in technology improvements and price drops? Absolutely. We will see some massive leaps in the coming decade. Would I still buy this car again over an ICE alternative? Also absolutely.
First video I’ve watched from you guys, will definitely be watching more. Cheers
The first 7 minutes of this were incredibly well done explaining everything and showing it
The video is well done, except for a few points.
In particular, at 1:53, where he says that EV sales are falling "across the board," and then puts up a graphic showing the top ten selling models. Seven of these are up - mostly WAY UP. One model is holding about the same level. And, out of the ten models listed, two are down.
In fact, for the first ten months of the year, EV sales in the US are UP by 35%. That's a pretty strong showing.
And the part where he says there's no reason to buy an EV over an ICE car. Well, yeah, if you either don't have grandkids, or don't care how things turn out for them, then sure. Buy whatever.
How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how much food your great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's the basic situation we're in. That's the context of this discussion about how the car drives, and how - like so many things - it doesn't live up to some of the hype.
But, the car lives up to the most important part of the hype: It doesn't burn gasoline. And it's vastly more efficient than cars that do.
@@davidmenasco5743 When you realize the term “fossil fuel” is a MADE UP term created in the early 1900’s to scare people away from buying cars and using gas. When you do the research and learn (DO NO GOOGLE - do the actual research) you will find that oil is the second most plentiful liquid on earth next to water and in fact has NOTHING to do with fossils at all. Oil replenished itself over and over and over, there is literally an endless supply. THEY want you to think is scares so they can jack up the price and make billionairs… hence the Rockerfellers, Soros, etc. LEARN! Educate yourself.
When they announced the "Mustang" Mach-E, many of us were critical of the naming and marketing for this exact reason. If they had cut some performance, priced it reasonably, and called it the E-Blazer it probably would be faring much better.
Even renaming it to Ford Thunderbird would look better. Plus, it would compliment the Ford Lightning.
@@patx35 That's what I always said!!! Use the Thunderbird name. It literally has Thunder in it!
@@802Garage
No, the Thunderbird name should not be used on an SUV be and ICE or EV one. The best name for the car honestly should have been the Ford Model E, which Ford had already trademarked, I suspect to keep it away from Tesla. But I am sure Ford probably was concerned about that name being confused with a Tesla even though Ford was the originator of using the word Model as...err...a model name. Model E would have harkened back to the Model T which was Fords first truly mass produced ICE car.
@@adamn7516 Oh I wouldn't have liked it if they used the Thunderbird name either, but it would have made way more sense than the Mustang name! Even calling it the Thunder would be acceptable, that way there is thunder and lightning. Model E also would have been a clever name, or simply the Mach E. Bringing Mustang into it was just plain silly.
i still never understand what the name of a car has to do with buying a car.. maybe i am just weird.
We are a frugal 2 senior citizen couple. We have a 2022 Nissan Leaf as our around town car and a 2023 Subaru Outback for road trips. At under $60 K total for both, we feel we have the best of both worlds with our hybrid fleet.
Congratulations for figuring out the secret! Former Leaf owner, now Hyundai Ioniq 5 and 2018 Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in hybrid! Thanks.
We have a 2023 Mach E… it definitely is a very special vehicle. It has completely changed my life in a good way.
I know some guys who just upset some Ford EV reps.
Keep up the good work.
If it was a gasoline suv with 490 hp looking this good you would probably be more positive? Its hard to Watch this channel with all the negative bias towards electric cars.
@@stoff3rYeah because it wouldn’t weigh 5000lbs so it would actually be fast, Still couldn’t call that mustang though even if it was gas
@@stoff3rthey aren't negative, they're realistic. You're just used to media simping for whatever manufacturers put out.
@@stoff3r honesty/reality is often a hard pill to swallow.
@@stoff3r agreed, as much as I like the Savagegeese team over the six years I've been watching, their stance on EVs is overly pessimistic relative to the realities. Glass half empty, always rounding down. The reality is the grid is adapting and strengthening in sufficient time for the slow switchover from ICE to EV, the tech is getting better and better, EVs have far less mechanical components and failure points than ICE, far cheaper running costs (drastically lower in some parts of the country), US EV market share among new vehicles is above 8% and of course continuing to rise, and that price concerns are steadily being addressed as the tech improves and the factories ramp up (such as the $2-4k price drop on the 2024 Ioniq6 compared to 2023, and the wild Tesla price drops of the last year). The Mach E does not drive poorly, but yes, it would've been a better package if they had spent another year on design before getting it out... like Hyundai/Kia did with their superior products. The Mach E is no less reliable than any ICE SUV with Legendary Ford Reliability they're putting out; would one rather have an Escape? I'm expecting the next gen (third gen?) of EVs to be remarkably good, which isn't hard when the default is a 2.0L turbo crossover with a CVT or billion speed automatic begging for huge repair bills as the odometer hits six digits.
Good explanation about the possible problems. I own a 2021 Mach e. My vehicle received an on the air update so I did not have to take it in for this issue. I have 59,000 miles on my MachE, and so far I’ve had no problems. I mostly charge at home, however I’ve taken numerous road trips including one from Los Angeles to Vancouver Canada and I do think this is an amazing vehicle. I do own a model 3 as well, however I prefer driving the Mach E.
You guys are experts in the automotive field, but I thought I should share an owners opinion.
I am having a tough time with some of the criticism in this one. We have a 2022 Mach E GT Performance which we recently picked up for $35.5USD. For what you get, it is an un heard of value in the used market. We have had two other Mach E Models (GTP and California) with zero issue. We test drove the , Model Y Performance, EV6 GT, Ionic 5 N and the trade off is similar - faster charging speeds in both but with more frequent trips to the charger given the real world range. Saying this - I loved the Ionic 5 N (solid choice), but not for a family. We charge at home on either a 120v or 240v plugs (we have both) and have never run into an issue - this includes long trips up north. We have had the Recall #: 23S56 done via ford - no issues before or after.
You cannot get a better performance EV for $35.5USD that does as much as the Mach E can do. We have put 5 adults and a dog comfortably in the car on a long trip - still ripped off sub 4sec 0-60. Cant wait to see what Ford does over the next few years.
For any of us that have worked for large corporations and dealt with the idiocy, this is what happens when you try to tell the customer what they want instead of listening to the customer. In fairness to Ford, GM, and other companies, I also think most "car people" understand they're under a lot of pressure to transition to EV's from the investment community and government.
Agreed. Contrast it to Tesla who does zero advertising and sold strictly by word of mouth. The owners loved them and the word spread. Letting people buy what they desire is always the best method.
@@aussie2uGA That's why I think the whole meme about Tesla's build quality is irrelevant. Tesla owners are super loyal, Tesla is technologically ahead of all competitors. Them opening up their charging infrastructure could be a loss, but, it all depends on how other OEMs configure their software to talk with the chargers
@@michaelkovalsky4907 I dont know if that makes it "irrelevant" it just means that people like to feel an air of superiority about driving something they see as "the future" no matter what issues it has. Personally, I don't care if its the future if it has early '00's GM build quality and panel gaps. To me the fact I have to look and interact with a screen instead of using muscle memory to know I need to hit the 2nd button on the right for my AC to turn while driving makes it a heavily flawed vehicle.
Nonsense. Customers lack the vision. If all you did was listen to customers innovations would stagnate.
The issues with any corporation, large or small, is always a lack of proper internal process. They are not respected, sometimes not known, sometimes totally ignored, and they end up affecting the end product.
Lack of proper management and leadership is also an enemy of modern enterprises. POs constantly pushing for more and more features and requirements and constantly ignoring QA and needed refinements. Never fully committing to an end goal, constantly changing their minds during the dev process, constantly sucking up to the higher ups and making promises that compromise the end product.
@@an-dr6euyou must not play video games, lol. Gamers can create better products than multi-billion dollar companies.
I own a Mach-E and if I was to sell it right now, I would definitely miss it. It is a great car, handles nicely, and almost no maintenance outside of tire rotation and fluid top ups for me.
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How about possibly not able to get insurance? A menace when it catches on fire.
I was given an early production model Mach-E to do long term test driving in freezing and rain conditions. I was pleasantly surprised with its range, performance, comfort and driving quality.
The only negative I could find with the car was the price and wish I could have driven the GT performance model.
@@oldarkie3880You are swallowing whole the propaganda put out by the fossil fuel industry and its cheerleaders. Gasoline cars catch fire far more frequently and readily than do electric ones (gasoline is supposed to burn, after all), and insurance isn't a problem, especially since there are far fewer moving parts to be replaced during repairs. Also, EVs have no catalytic converters to be stolen, reducing insurance costs further.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I honestly was only expecting to own this car for 2-3 years, but now that I've had it that long, I don't know if I'll be able to give it up.
I recently rented a ~2021 Ford Escape for a road trip. It was a decent hatchback/ small SUV, and I think it looks similar to the Mach-E. If they had called this thing a Ford Escape EV, styled it very similar to the Escape, and priced it similar, I think people would have given them a lot more grace about the downsides of their first generation EV. Nissan, for instance, knew well enough to name their EV the Leaf rather than try to call it a GTR or a Silvia. Also kudos for mentioning the WeberAuto channel, he has shared some excellent in-depth tech info.
True it should have 100% been The Mach-E or Thuderbird or as you said escape... Being a mustang is a strench even with the lossest defnations of muscle car... But Not having seen one in months with cybertruck out and people looking back on the mach e... It's looks honestly aged awesomely... Like in the current BEV CUV envoment it looks like a big CUV mustang and stands out to me a 2020 Mustang owner but yeah I don't think looks was a majory reason for people to hate it being a mustang to be honest.
I'm not sure an Escape can go 0-60 in 3.2 seconds. Just like Mustangs have trims that go from v-6 to MACH1, the same holds true with this car. I have one and I'm 6'5". Having driven an Escape, this car has more leg room and shoulder room than an escape. It's closer in size to the Ford Edge, a mid sized SUV, not a compact SUV like the Escape.
This is in no way close to an Escape. The Bronco Sport is closer to an Escape than this Mach-E. 🙄
I agree with you that branding this car as a Mustang was a mistake. It devalues the Mustang brand.
No it doesn't, otherwise just cancel "Mustang". In 30 years everything will be BEV, so are you saying there shouldn't be any carryover names from the ICE era?
The Mustang II just called from 1973 and would like to have a word.
Not the first time Ford has butchered the Mustang brand. But what idiots buys a car because of a brand?
@@davidmccarthy6061the problem with the Mach E isn't being electric, it's being a god damn crossover.
@@Sashazur Or the fact that the Probe was a Mustang in concept.
Loving my Mustang Mach-E GT after more than a year. No HVBJB problems yet, fun to drive, roomy and practical, and very nice-looking inside and outside.
Who are you kidding, they're ugly as. Soon you won't be able to give it away.
GAYYYYYYYY
As someone who drives also an EV (one of the last 'old' Hyundai Ioniq with 38 kWh battery) and we got that car for a clear purpose it serves very well (drive up to 100km daily, charge at home) and the price made sense. I frankly do not understand the point of most of the EVs on the market today. Huge, heavy AF, with often ridiculous consumption that turns even a 80+ kWh battery packs into mediocre range - and all that is stuffed into an old architecture. I would like to replace our 'big' car with an EV eventually, but there is basically nothing on the market that would fit and not cost €100k. I guess I have to wait.
All they know is ridiculously big. I've been driving a Fiat 500e for 7 years now. Fun to drive, excellent driving feedback, no battery degradation, no mechanical problems ever, can't say enough good things about it. I test drove the Mustang last week, hated it. Just another boat.
The points made on this video are so profound and yet so down to earth and you guys managed to bring it in a very decent and subtle way. A masterpiece for an over-average viewer, and a bullion-holder individual.
Now imagine him on his knees, providing brain 🧠 to your daughter. 😮😮
Does your opinion change after the hypothetical illustration?
You couldn't have said it any better...This video was a masterpiece
@@JK4507 thx
They are totally missing the point in this video. If I were buying a car today it would have been Mach-E. You can't compare driving dynamics of an ICE vehicle with an EV. It's a totally different world. My daughter is BMW fan, she wanted one from when she was 14. She has now driven three BMW models, and she loves them, but she agreed driving Mach-E is a much more satisfying experience.
The car looks great, it drives great. And it's foolish to say that it's overpriced. My wife's SUV cost almost the same, but Mach-E is better in every respect, except size. Add to that that it costs 1/5 per mile of a similar sized ICE vehicle, you don't need those frequent oil changes and service, you don't need to go to a gas station. So even from a pure cost perspective Mach-E will save you $20,000 during its lifetime compared to a similar priced SUV.
To me, this video smacks of *hit piece.*
The funniest part is, if you scroll through the comments, there are dozens and dozens of Mach-e owners commenting. All of them, every single one, has drawn the opposite conclusion of these reviewers. They all love the car.
If you want to know what's wrong with the Mach-e, check out Munro Live. They dished the dirt under the hood, in great detail (and yeah, it boils down to the same thing: they could increase efficiency a lot by going with a clean slate design)
But none of that means it's a not a great car to drive. And none of that means there's no reason to buy it over an ICE car. On these two points, the Goose clearly got it wrong.
When your key points are subjective, the opinions of actual owners matter. And the owners love the car.
The charging infrastructure should’ve been developed first, as a joint venture from car manufactures that wanted to enter this business segment.
Car manufacturers didn't build the roads why would you think they'd pay to build charging infrastructure
@@Taykorjg Because no one else is doing it. This isn't like a gas station, they are only used for 5% of miles driven and can't support themselves with Twinky and Cola sales.
Tesla offered a joint venture early on? OEM didn't want to enter this business segment! it's a losing proposition for them
That would certainly be one way to ensure that electric cars never take off ever.
Even if there was more charging infrastructure, who the hell wants to sit for an hour to charge their car
I'm a Tesla S owner, and anyone who doesn't realize that the Mach is a great first EV effort is just ignoring what's right. I had a Mach E for two weeks while my S was being repaired (collision) and this is one buttoned up vehicle. There are a few wrinkles Ford will need to iron out but the Mach is a joy to drive, and my father in law (who owns it) has had zero issues in about 24K miles. The car is quiet, smooth, and rides every bit as good as my S and probably better. EDIT: right now as I type this, high $20k Machs are not available near me. I was looking in case I wanted to add a Mach E to my driveway. Any Mach in the 15,000 mile range used are listed in the mid $40k.
I like the Mach E. I have a mint 73' Mustang Mach One for weekend fun.
I'd like a commuter car. Is there any car rental places that rents electric vehicles to try out? I'd like to rent one for a couple weeks to see how it fits into my life.
I have seen these at Avis but YMMV @@TheBandit7613
@@TheBandit7613try Turo
Good luck getting parts from Ford after a few years, when they become NA, as is typical with Ford vehicles. Good luck getting the battery parts aftermarket too. That would be a very expensive part for the aftermarket to risk investing in.
@@tompastian3447 What are you even talking about? Hyundai is totaling brand new cars because of a scratch on the skid plate. Battery is $65,000 installed on a $55,000 car.
We (city of Las Vegas) have no trouble getting anything for our Ford Superduties, we have about 9000 of them. Most commercial workplaces still use Ford over any other brand. We have very little trouble with them.
Can't use Toyota or Nissan, we load them too heavy.
Beware of ANY EV. Tesla included. Needing a new battery is a certainty.
Man, the tone on ev cars has shifted dramatically in the last few months.
One down quarter, and apparently it's the end of EVs
Ignore the media narrative and look at the facts. EV sales this year are up 50% over last year.
It's been like the last two weeks. These guys were just reviewing the Mustang and waxing philosophically on the inevitability of a BEV only future. I'm getting whiplash from the sudden change in rhetoric.
Only in non Teslas.
Your channel deserves an Oscar for quality of content . My favorite take on automobiles, really resonate with your thought process. So happy with my MDX type S I bought because of your review!❤
LOL. Their content is a total BS 😅
My wife fought me on buying one. With Ford rebates and zero % financing we bought the GT. We have now owned it for a month and she loves it. The cost of driving it roughly 1200 miles for the month of April was $38.
Jack lookin' sharp in that McLaren hoodie 😍 Seriously though, I always find it illuminating when you guys go into depth on battery chemistry and cooling. Great video!
Lots of great points. I've had a GT for a year, and while I do love the car, I've had that contactor failure happen to me twice in the first 20k miles. I'm hoping they figure their shit out through this recall, or Ford will be buying it back.
Can you please tell me what drove you to the Mach E over a Tesla or other EV?
@@DanielDaniel1 I had a model 3 performance before my Mach E. It was fine, but felt too sterile in how it handled and drove. Fast as hell, no doubt. The Mach E has a more playful chassis. It squats, dives, and rolls, like the Mustang that Ford named it after. Overall, more personality. Also, I'm tall and need to fit 2 kids seats in the back seat. With the model 3, I had to move my seat forward enough to accommodate that it was a bit uncomfortable. No need to adjust my seat to fit the kids in the Mach E.
@@DanielDaniel1panel gaps. Looks are by opinion. Maybe the same reason we didn’t all buy Priuses several years back. The abundance of them and the owners thinking they’re better than all others. I think in Europe they’re called w@nkers
@@mminnillo1 its not a Mustang is it?
@@SylvesterJcat depends. Technically, because Ford named it as such, yes. But, a lot of people would agree that it doesn't follow the traditional formula of what a Mustang really is. Personally, I don't use that name. I just call it a Mach E.
When the Mach e first came out and when I was in the market for a new car. I definitely looked at it along with the Tesla. I ended going with a Tesla because I knew it had at least 4 - 5 years of manufacturing experience with the model 3 and 10 years with building EVs. The rebates also helped the decision, but end of the day.. I saw a lot of early adopter issues with the Mach e, it was heavily marketed and also 10k more than a model 3.
Now having my model 3 for two years, I’m more than happy with my purchase decision. The EV met my needs for my 2nd car, a city / commuting vehicle going under less than
Not only is the car good, but you have access to the biggest and best charging network if you need it
A lot of buyers do not consider that an EV is more than an electric motor and a battery, this video is a good example. Most don’t consider that all manufacturers in the US outsource their components and parts and then assemble the finished product. Along with the outsourced components, comes different software, you might have 150 different components with all different software, THERE IS NO WAY TO FULLY INTEGRATE THESE COMPONENTS ! This is why you buy a Tesla; it is a fully integrated EV with a proprietary system. When you buy a Tesla , you have bought the equivalent of a smart phone, when you buy any other manufacturer, you have bought the equivalent of a flip phone.
@@shepherdsknoll BRILLIANT analogy that I couldn't have said better myself!
You can’t keep an EV for a long time. It’s not like old family vehicles where you say “she still runs like day one!”, ie.. ur not gonna be able to pass it down. Or even sell it to anyone
@@Squidward_Tikiland , all Teslas are built for 1 million miles , the batteries 300,000-500,000. I’ve owned a Model 3 for 6 years , it has 105,000 miles and 95% of its battery life left, it looks and runs like new and has had no maintenance except tires.
Having worked in engineering, the contactor issue is highly concerning. Not only because Ford changed up parts without considering the consequences, but it tells me there was no final product validation testing for the longer range version, where they would've found the problem and could've fixed it before it went to market. Whoever signed off on that just lost Ford a lot of money in recalls and reputation.
Bought one non GT in 2021….love it. The range is never really a problem. I would say if range is a problem and you need to in your life frequently drive long distances Electric cars aren’t for you and you probably knew that. But if your daily commute is 40 minutes and maybe then you wanna go out at night it’s not really a problem.I think I’ve had to bring it in twice so far so really not that bad. The EV is cheaper for me. What I worry is long term car health but I love some of the safety systems. I got this because it was available over the competitors.
I think the main issue with sales is you really need to own your home to want/use an EV.
Noooo now they are going to point at me and say “Rich prick” owns his house! 😅😂
Yep. The people complaining about EVs don’t tend to own EVs. The charging gap issue for non single family homes does exist, and we’re working on it. Not a huge problem at the moment because a mere 8% of new car sales are currently EVs. We’ll be lucky to hit 25% by 2030, this transition has a lot of runway to iron out the details.
"I think the main issue with sales is you really need to own your home to want/use an EV."
I agree, this is the big hurdle I never hear people talk about. Look at the demographic that's most interested in EVs, and it's exactly the demographic that's stuck renting. Without a good way to charge at home why would you buy an EV in the current marketplace? There aren't enough chargers at apartment complexes or workplaces and the charge points around town, if there are ones even convenient to you, are too slow.
@@str1fe13 I never see it addressed how electrics are ever going to be handled in dense urban environments.
As a former New Yorker, I can't imagine how EV's will be charged in Brooklyn, Manhattan, the Bronx...
Technology Connections (UA-cam channel) did a video talking about EV charging and laid out some ways to get EV charging as a renter, but it simply is not possible for many situations. It would suck/be impossible to rely on charging stations only
Great video!
EV shouldn’t be a premium option, and with the government funds should be the budget options, people want to pay less for reliable transportation. They need to go back to selling the reliability and simplicity at a reasonable cost
The costs of the battery and associated bits is so high that unless we start mining a heck of a lot more for minerals, prices can't come down.
@@howebrad4601 Lithium prices have crashed. It is one of the most common elements on the Earth - it is just accessing it economically.
I am afraid the Industry does not want to do cheap anymore. They are all taking aim at the high end high profit market. If it is not a Great big Truck or an executive express, it won't be made - and that is all engine types, not just EVs.
Agreed. Part of the reason why automakers are trying to make EVs full of fancy features is because they need to distinguish it from ICE counterparts. As for simple and reliable, if GM gave the Chevy Bolt faster high speed charging speeds, it'd be just about the perfect "budget" EV. Cheaper than others, very efficient and simple
Battery technology is too expensive for cheap vehicles is the problem.
I've always had a strong preference for Ford and Mustang, so on the day Ford opened orders for the Mach-E, I sat by my computer waiting for the countdown on the screen to finish. The moment it was available, I submitted my order, hoping to get my hands on the Mustang Mach-E as soon as possible. Unfortunately, just after driving over a thousand miles, the HVAC needed to be completely replaced, followed by a damaged battery. Coupled with the indifferent attitude of an unscrupulous STEALERship, my Mach-E spent thirteen weeks with the dealership for repairs. Ford took the initiative to offer a repurchase at the original price, ending my twenty-month nightmare. As you said in your video, I don't miss it one bit, and I will never again purchase any Ford or Lincoln vehicle.
so, truth in advertising, they should have called it the Mach-Edsel
Wow that sounds like a terrible experience, at least you got your money back
@@youngroosevelt38 Yes, but not without pain. Ford's Repurchase Team gave me a 48-hour ultimatum to sell back the problematic car. Wrestling with them, I realized deeply - to me, it was a $53,125 lemon, but to them, I was just a Case ID. They didn't care at all about the customer experience or suffering, they just wanted to close each case as quickly as possible.
Take it from dealership tech that's been in the business for 20 plus years. Never buy the first model year of any vehicle. Ice or electric.
I totally agree with you about how the car was created out of panic, but sometimes great things come that way, and in my opinion, they hit the ball out of the park with the Mach E!
Cold weather states, apartment/condo dwellers and the hassle of having to plan ahead charging for long distance trips are the biggest hurdles for EV to overtake ICE and hybrid.
also really hot states as well
@@fortheloveofnoise Most hot states have an average temperature that allows EVs to have optimal performance.
As a senior citizen (67 years old) I don't see myself driving an electric car. I thought about a Mini electric, but with a range of only 110 miles just traveling around Ohio would be difficult for a lack of charging stations. But as your video points out, first generation electric cars are not better than ICE vehicles. Keep up with the honest reviews.
You’re missing some clear benefits you may not have considered: As close to zero maintenance that there is. When you approach it, it unlocks the doors for you. When you get in, it’s already “on”. When you get out, just walk away - it turns off, rolls up the windows for you and locks the doors. Extremely quick for on ramps, merging, passing. Everyday you get into it, it has a full tank again as it charged overnight. Very few wearable parts in the drivetrain greatly increases longevity. There are many factors older people are unaware of that just make day to day driving easier and more enjoyable in something like a Tesla.
But as I stated the charging stations are few and far between in Ohio. I understand the benefits of owning one. My car has the same features as the electric car ( unlocks when I approach it) by the way I bought a 2023 GTI and it is the last car I will own. If you do some research on electric cars, they are not going to save the planet and are really just as bad for the environment as ICE cars. I don't believe that we humans are hurting the planet and climate change has been happening since the Earth first came into existence.
@@aussie2uGA I understand some of those items but there are ICE cars that do most of the fancy wizz bang stuff already. Heck my 2006 Infiniti unlocked when I walked up to it as does my Lincoln though I have to grab the door handle first. It would be nice to charge every night.....if I had a garage. I doubt most would like me running an extension cord across the sidewalk. Now I completely agree as I hit 70 yeah not having to do all the maintenance would be great. Just like anything there are those they work great for and those they don't. I think what turns most off is really the poor state of non-tesla charging, and the feeling we are going to be pushed into them come hell or high water when in many cases they are inferior to ICE vehicles in some ways while better in others. Interest rates though are an obvious factor in all vehicles at the moment and since many non tesla EVs tend to be over 50K that is a huge turn off.
I hear ya, just wanted to share my perspective after coming from 20+ years of buying german performance cars. The Tesla does represent a "lithium golf cart experience" in that you need do nothing to it but hop in the seat and press the pedal. Maintenance is keeping tires with tread on it. It's been a game changer. Here's to hoping you can get even a 110V outlet near where you might park one :)@@davehilling3944
I am a Mustang Mach-E owner and appreciate the very realistic review of this car. I bought my vehicle used. There was no way it made sense to buy this vehicle new at there 2023 prices. I think my opinion off the car once I eventually walk away from it will depend on how well this recall service goes and just how upside down in value I end up.
I know three Mach E owners, they all love them.
Sure bud 😂
Every time I ask mach e owners about their car. They say it's the best cat they have ever had and are super happy with them. From the one I test drove one time I had a good experience with it myself
Love mine. No issues
I love mine. Sorry to disappoint the culture warriors.
Absolutely love my Mach e. The charging infrastructure sucks, but the car is amazing.
I think one of the issues that earlier adopters and some of the more die hard ev pushers need to understand that it's not simply "range anxiety" it's a lack if charging infrastructure. Somewhere around 30%...almost 1/3 of the US population rents. Charging at home isn't an option. Ev charging stations,out side of tesla, aren't nearly as dependable or prevalent as the gas stations.
For me that means I want 250 miles, MINIMUM of expected city/commute out of an ev because I don't want to go out of my way to charge it more than once every week or 2.
If you want mass acceptance. They can't be luxury priced. Ive seen 'But those cheaper ones didn't sell well'.. the only sub 30k models I'm even aware of are the Nissan leaf and the Chevy bolt. The leaf only gets 150 miles and has a design that won't appear to everyone. The bolt, I'd consider if I were in the market
Outside of those two models, if all you want is a civic or Carola none of the fuel savings or maintenance savings matter if it takes up to 10 years for the price to equal out.
Granted you can get that down to 6 years or fewer years if
1. Your income is high enough to have 7500 in tax liability. About 60k if you just take a standard deduction.
2. Drive 15k+ miles per year
3. Can't perform basic routine maintenance. Oil, brakes, battery...maybe a fluid change here and there.
You're asking people to pay more for less convenience and just sort of hope tech improves.
I do own this car GT performance and I do love it, can't get my wife out of it she loved her Subaru until I bought this car. We rarely fast charge so maybe this is good. This is a fast smooth handling dream to drive. The biggest reason people are not buying is interest rates. When GM gets the new pick up out I will likely get one. My daily driver is a 3500 Ram
Professor John Kelly has been a favorite of mine for a long time glad to see you guys enjoy his videos as much as I do. The best part of this car to me is the drive line of it. That drive unit is quite interesting what they did in it. For an otherwise unexciting car.
I think the slow down in EV purchases has to do with a few things... namely: charging infrastructure, interest rates being insane, and the quality of EVs coming out from legacy OEMs.. it'll be interesting to see how OEMs adapt to the smarter consumer.
... hours-long lines on non-Tesla charging stations...
When the government rebates for evs changed is when the slower sales happened. No more rebates for high earners.
The biggest thing slowing down EV sales is dealerships. They slap ungodly markups on EVs, and they’re not even good at attracting customers to EVs in the first place.
@@te1ephraq you can thank the government by the way (also known as the electrify america disaster)
@@mal4951That's a funny way to look at it. Volkswagen agreed to do EA as compensation for harm that it caused.
If not for that agreement with the government, there would be no EA stations at all. Would you then say, thank the government for the lack of chargers?
And, the government didn't tell them to suck. They did that all on their own. And, for good measure, EVGo and ChargePoint decided to suck too.
This pathological blaming of "the government" for things the government never did, is a big part of why our society is in the many huge messes it's in right now.
Professor Kelly is a top notch teacher. I'm glad to see the mention.
As a European I drive a subcompact diesel Renault SUV. It easily gets 55mpg, it is relatively clean thanks to the AdBlue fluid, and it was relatively cheap to buy.
Why the hell people opt to spend so much money on such an expensive and unpractical SUV is beyond me.
People spend money on expensive and impractical things thousands of times every day. A diesel pickup for a single woman. A 2 seat sports car.
Your car compares to a Chevy Bolt which get 99empg and costs close to $17k USD with tax incentives. This is a midsized, near luxury SUV. They compared it to a BMW x3.
@@rwilliams79 I have a range of about 1100km on a single tank of fuel which I can refill for less than 5 minutes...
Also Im pretty sure no one compares a Bolt to an X3.
Cheers!
The reason new ev sales have slowed is because they're charging too much for new cars and we can't afford shit
Another reason
While i could name a few advantages this has over gas cars, one you omitted is not paying for gas. The cost of "fuel" over a gas car often makes the car payment. I know its cool to shit on EVs but they do some things better for sure. Like if you leave one running in the garage you dont eventually die.
I drove a GT. It was surprisingly good and fun to drive!
But not to own
They're both heavy Tesla stock holders and this video was clearly shot while the stock was in a slump earlier this week lol
My reason for waiting to get an EV or even a hybrid is the ‘premium’ pricing across the board. This Mustang is simply another example of that
Its almost like legacy OEM's didn't take Tesla seriously until it was too late and now they are slapping together anything they can get out quick.
A lot of hybrids will pay off their price premium quickly, especially if you drive a lot. Comparing like-for-like equipment, the price premium is rarely over 2 grand.
@@aquaticko A bad EV and a bad ICE car all in one... hybrids.
@ultrastoat3298 - says the people that have never used or owned one.
@@ultrastoat3298 I’m not saying every hybrid is perfect, but having owned one for 3 years/40k miles, I’ve just found myself thinking, every time I’ve been sitting in traffic, or coasting down a hill or to a red light, “wow, if my car wasn’t a hybrid, I’d just be wasting gas right now”; I feel like a self-calculated lifetime average of 49mpg speaks for itself.
The specific hybrid I bought-a ‘20 Sonata hybrid-i bought because I’d been seeing a disproportionate number of first-gen Sonata hybrids (2011-2013) compared to the total number of that generation they sold. Of course, Toyota’s hybrid system is also pretty legendarily reliable, too.
I just think that if people were more honest with themselves about it, we’d be at like 50% hybrid market share by now. Not all hybrids are good, but a lot of them are.
My mach-e had the junction box problem, its a premium awd extended range. Since it’s been fine, i actually like the car. I dont plan on keeping it beyond the extended warranty though. The value is horrible though, i paid almost $60k in Jan 2022, now it’s worth like 25k, that is horrible.
Traditional OEM’s were in a rush. They took an ICE vehicle, slapped on a battery and a power drive system and sold a first generation BEV.
Demand is not slowing for BEV’s. Demand is slowing for 1st generation BEV’s from the traditional car manufacturers.
We just need a lifted Prius and lifted sienna
RAV4 Prime is a lifted Prius
There are companies that make lift kits for Prius. Gives you 1 - 2 inches.
Seen a lifted smart car that looked badass! Reminded me of a micro machine toy car 😂😂😂
I would rather a slammed Prius.
The fact that it doesnt have an ICE is the exact reason why I want one. Im an electrical engineer and ICE vehicles are too complex and rely on too many fluids and things like compression and gaskets to work properly over a long time. Im all set. I'll gladly slap a new battery in one of these in 6 years and literally get a brand new vehicle.
I bought an EV largely because of financial reasons. I compared apple to apples with the ICE counterpart/models (even looking at different brands) and the EV was the clear winner in terms of cost of ownership. HOWEVER, this was only true because of government rebates. Also not having to do oil changes is a bonus as I do them myself. I do miss the feeling of being connected to the car in an ICE.
These are many reasons I got one too. And the mustang mach e was a top contender so much I put a regular 14-50 plug in my garage over a Tesla wall connector despite my wife having her own Tesla.
I think the problem here is more ford. Their two main EVs are too expensive and they tried to shoehorn regular cars into an electric platform. The other is simply pricing.
And whether they can make money at the price or not is irrelevant- I found the Mach e acceptable. It’s the fact I also wanted a lightning and was expecting a decent ability to get it at around $50k. But it was the same century old car dealer tactic. No base models at all anywhere. Only platinum or maybe one XLT and all had $7500 premiums or more on pricing. I’m tired of the car dealer BS. Which isn’t talked about enough with Tesla. You find your model and hit buy.
@alexanderkennedy2969I think if there were stories of long term EV owners actually coming out ahead financially by buying an EV over an ICE car, we'd be seeing them all over the Internet. For the absolute majority of people, it doesn't make sense, and it won't really save you much over the lifetime of the vehicle. I really doubt most people buying these are doing so because of the economy factor
I am a little leery of a drastic reduction in cost of ownership. I do get the oil change comment but anything I have referenced tires do wear faster, brakes slower and so on. Some will balance out others will not. Now add in the rapid depreciation on EVs 8 years appears to be the life of one or at least the battery. ICE powertrain will be longer. The other mention in the video is comparing a F150 to Lightening off road, the later with so much as a ding in the battery pack could lead to failure or worse. I live in rural central Ontario Canada, will be years if at all I go EV. The entry cost alone removes them from consideration.
@@waynekibbler2710 I guess I just struggle with the massive push that's happening right now to promote and invest in a technology (EVs) that do not meet the needs of the majority of people. If you're going to completely change the status quo of the automobile industry and do away with ICE, it's a hard sell when the replacement is full of compromises
I drive Uber and I have decided to do the whole Hertz EV (Tesla) rental thing for a month. I was extremely disappointed. I rented Model 3 with extended range package. Not once did a got nowhere near 345 miles range.....specially not during the Texas heat wave where we had almost 40 days of temperature around 109.....During the 8 hour work day I had to charge it twice.....and if I really decide to push and go for 12 hours, I'd have to hit charging station again....while my 2010 Accord will do almost 400 miles on less than $40......and only one five minute stop.....I'm sorry but EV's are somewhat of scam and a gimmick.....Liberals and rich folks get hard thinking about EV's....mostly cuz they think they're better than everybody else and that they know better.....
Excuse the long post:
As someone who bought an MME a few months ago ('22 California Route 1 AWD, 8k miles at about 42k), I agree with everything you guys said here. Luckily no serious issues pertaining to the recalls (yet), and the only maintenance I've done so far has just been a cabin air filter replacement and tire rotation. However, the thing that's killing me constantly is range anxiety, even in a car with 300 miles of range(more like 240-280 on a good day after what HVAC and other things sap). The issue is, once I drive that range out, I don't have the luxury of a supercharger near me like Tesla owners do, and I'm made to either drive a town over for an Electrify America station, or charge from my apartment unit at 1kW per hour. Technically, Tesla superchargers are supposed to accomodate other EVs by spring 2024, but I won't hold my breath. Last complaint, if you get one of these and you live in an area that takes longer to repave roads than Valve can utter the number 3, it will ride like a bouncehouse, and the headrests aren't exactly pillows to catch you.
A part that especially resonated with me was when you mentioned the car just doesn't feel special, which is awful for this price point, even at the price I got it for. I feel nothing walking away to or from it, and when I can finally get rid of it, I don't think I'll feel anything then either(aside from relief from range anxiety).
I still have no idea what to get for my next car, but I'm probably going back to ICE/hybrid since it's pretty apparent auto manufacturers are finally admitting they're not ready to enter the EV space and are backing down from projects. Only thing that could keep me with EVs would be if the Model 3 refresh has better build quality, and even then I'm not jazzed about the interior that looks like an Apple Store with about 20% less soul. I am also aware that Ford is among the manus that said they'd switch charge ports to the Tesla standard, but I still wouldn't buy a Mach E again knowing what I know now.
TL;DR this car's super phoned in and you have a lot of better options in every single area it tries to inhabit
I'll bet your experience would be way better if you had a level two charger where you lived. I can charge at home, and when I get my first EV in a few months, I'm sure that will make all the difference.
@@Tom-dt4ic If I was a homeowner, I agree, the charging issue would probably iron out. Unfortunately the way my complex and unit are, I have to run an extension cord from a 120V outlet to my car in parking. I'm not completely closed to owning another EV because the minimal maintenance is very nice, but for where I'm at in life rn, my only option is really Tesla unless they don't cut corners on making their superchargers available to all EVs
Thank you for sharing your experience
I also bought a Mach-E this summer, California Route 1, but I absolutely adore it and have no range anxiety. Part is living in a home where we could install a level 2 charger. If people can't do that, it makes owning an EV much more challenging, since the nearest fast chargers to me are half an hour or more away. However, my car has been able to do 4 road trips, twice on a 1300 mile round trip vacation, and twice on a 1700 mile round trip to see family. Minimal issues with charging or range anxiety. It's not for everyone yet, because you have to be willing to plan ahead and have back-up plans, and stops may take longer, though with kids and dogs, rest stops always took longer already. EV ownership is slowing because the cars are still expensive and interest rates are high. Growing pains. EVs will continue to become more common over time.
When you say manufacturers are not ready to enter the EV space you should be specific - traditional ones from both US (like Ford) and EU (Volkswagen). But if you look at Chinese market you will be surprised how READY these manufacturers are from an affordable price: you can get MME equivalent car for 20-25K with even better options, real government subsidies and charging networks. This is an example of how EV market should look like.
When your arguing for or against electrification, the savings in maintenance, repairs, and efficiencies are real. Also the convenience of plugging in at home base every night especially if you’re a fleet customer. I don’t know if the maintenance and repairs issue applies to ford. Probably not. But it does apply to tesla and probably BSD and hyundai
Incredibly, and refreshingly, brutally frank (especially the closing comments) that matches with my feelings about this particular make and model. Thanks for doing this!
I’m a Mach E owner and I feel the opposite. I love mine. It’s a great blend of sportiness and utility given the efficiency of electric. I have a GT Performance Extended Range. So far so good. Chose it over the Tesla model Y.
You love a midsize crossover??? Yuck.
@@SuzukiKid400 You like Suzukis? Double yuck!!
Don't let bad reviews make you fearful of buying an EV or a MachE specifically. I own one and love it. They are great cars. We test drive EV6, Ionic 5, model 3 and Y and thought this was the best of the bunch and the best value used.
I was considering this thing after watching Doug gush over it… but he only looks at the superficial, not the practical long term effects that most consumers deal with. I enjoy your “deeper dives” into these products looking at them from many angles.
Doug, lol.
It's about first impressions and emotion with Doug. It turns out that a lot of people spend a lot more time planning out a purchase like this than he gives them credit for.
@@bassandtrebleclef “thissssss”
I am pretty sure that there is a reduced demand for all vehicles since the interest rates have gone through the moon.
My Mach E has been great. Zero issues. I'm loving it. Well worth the money so far.
Gosh, what a surprise. An entire industry geared towards the affluent is suddenly shocked when the mass market rejects them.
FORD should have done a better job sizing the affluent market. Oh, and how much of this market would they capture given the competition? Oh, what happens if the competion (Tesla) lowers their prices?
Correction. An entire *product line* geared towards the affluent. If EVs were cheaper and charging was more accessible they would be more successful in the mass market.
So i have had one of these for like a year and a half, this comment that Jack is making about if it was comparable in price to a Bronco Sport, he could forgive a lot of its shortcomings, is INSANE!?! If you swapped the battery tech for a gas engine the car would still be way more premium offering than something like a Bronco Sport?? That comment really threw me
Right, me too, the Bronco Sport isn't comparable to the Mach e, nor an Escape, closer to an Edge which isn't nearly as enjoyable to drive
I have had my Mach-e GTpe for over 2 years and love it as much as the day I got it.. more fun than any GT500 or Mustang GT's I have owned and unlike Tesla, it drives exactly like an ICE vehicle, except for the smooth, quiet, insane acceleration, I will buy another when they offer more power and fix the 5 second issue. Also unlike Tesla, I have Android Auto, Alexa, Homelink, SiriusXM, BLIS, no hands liftgate, etc.
I agree partially with your critique of the Mack E. I think the thing that it gives you that gas don’t has been left out. You see, I’m not a climate guy but am an EV guy. The car doesn’t have any emissions on the uses end. For me, it smoother, quieter, and less maintenance. I been driving them since 2011 and Hybrids since 2007. There are many things that I can think of that it offer that gas don’t.
The single reason I haven’t purchased a Mach E is the price. I have sat in them. I have been asked if I wanted to drive one. I told them well there wasn’t any need, because I won’t pay that much for any car. I don’t need a race car. If they were $35,000, I’d have one today.
We own a Tesla Model Y long range and have driven it from IN to AZ to Main to FL and back to IN without any issues. Our Model Y is the best car we have ever owned and will buy another one
We love ours. Had it for about six month now. It's been great. We also have a BMW plug in hybrid X5 which we use for longer trips etc. These electric cars are great, but only if you have a level 2 home charger and you rarely if ever charge in public. I think if you fit that criteria, you probably already have an electric car. That's why the market is drying up for fully electric cars.
It is intresting to see people investing large amounts of money into these 1st gen cars that aren't fully proven yet. When i wanted a EV i was worried about that. Whats the longevity on these normal companies EV's? I know tesla has been doing it for a long time now, so i just went with them. Mainly for the reliable aspect but also for the charging network as well.
My oldest niece and her husband live about 45min north of San Fran, and they got in early with a long Range Calif Route 1 a couple years ago. The car is very comfortable, I like driving one foot, and at 80% charge, it sits around 230 miles range. This is more than enough range for most of their needs, especially since they have a giant solar array on their roof, with Level 2 charging. Besides, literally everywhere I drove the thing when I was out there had a charging station, and I never had to use one, anyway. I seriously considered looking into getting one myself, I liked it that much, then I remembered I live in Duluth freaking Minnesota, where -20° happens frequently in the winter, and we have like 2 charging stations in town, and half the time they’re broken. Think I’ll hold off, and stay with my F-250 Powerstroke awhile longer. I did like the car, though.
The huge solar array is a good argument - if you put one on your roof. I am in a similar situation - I always got 2 cars for now, city driving EV, long distance my GT which is an ICE
So if you're part of the literal 0.1%, they work great. Good stuff.
@@anthonybaker9270 well I have both, an EV and an ICE, chose what is good for you personally mate. If an EV does not work for you fine, get an ICE car. I now will have to get a new long distance 1st car.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 That's great, 99.9% of people don't have that choice.
@@anthonybaker9270 guarantee you I’m not in the 0.1%, or even the top 25%, but I totally agree with the Savagegeese guys, the prices on EV’s have to get more reasonable. I could make an EV work quite well with my driving habits and income level, but where I live is a frozen wasteland for 6 months of the year, and I still have issues with that and EV ownership.
I remember a great quote from the CEO of Ford, in the original "who Killed the Electric Car. His quote was," You cannot sell a limited use product at a full use price ". Still true.
I think companies should focus first on hybridization of their full lineups, and slowly introduce pure evs after there has been a broader build up of the charging infrastructure nationwide
That would have been a wise move 10-15 years ago. Legacy auto is about to be caught in the Valley of Death. The sales of their profitable products is declining while Tesla sells cars at a higher profit per car then Ford and GM combined. Legacy auto are soon to become the next Nokia, Kodak, BlackBerry and now forgotten horse buggy brands from a century ago.
There won’t be any use for EV charging infrastructure without EVs on the road to use it. As an owner of an EV the last two years, I find the existing charging infrastructure totally workable. Remember that most EV owners charge at home most of the time. That is easier and way cheaper than any gas station.
@@COSolar6419 I take it you live somewhere where the electrical grid is in decent shape. Where I live, there is no way you're going to have many people charging at home due to the bad infrastructure. I've blacked out the neighborhood twice with merely two welders running at the same time, and instead of fixing the issue, the electric company band-aids it and asks me not to weld. Seriously. The entire county has four public charging stations. Four. Only two of those are located in our biggest city of 30,000 people. I don't know about you, but I don't consider this "totally workable."
@@TheREALJosephTurner The charging infrastructure varies widely across the country. So does the power grid. In some areas the latter requires significant investment and expansion with or without widespread adoption of EVs. Time of use rates can shift charging away from peak demand periods which is where the choke points are. I live in a town of 20,000 in western Colorado. Three years ago there were zero fast chargers in town. Today there are sixteen DC fast charging dispensers and ten free Level 2 EV charging plugs available. We haven’t suffered any blackouts as a result.
@@COSolar6419 "Remember that most EV owners charge at home most of the time. That is easier and way cheaper than any gas station." is relative. Once you live in a much larger city, where home prices start skyrocketing and there is HEAVY reliance on public chargers, it can very quickly turn to non-workable.
To me, I would much rather go to a gas station for 5 min a week (or 2 weeks if I get a hybrid). My alternatives being to either sit at a public charger...or to spend near $1M for a detached home just to have the luxury of a home charger. Don't take home charging for granted..it can be VERY challenging.
I still think it’s the best car I have ever owned. I have a 2021 premium ex awd with 21k miles on it😊
It’s people like you 😅
I appreciate that my dude wore a Gulf-branded track shirt in this video. Pro-level, ambient trollage.
Yeah, it speaks volumes.
The take-rate on affordable and functional EV's is doing quite well.
The Mach-E's sales are slumping because it's expensive.
Nacs adoption in 2025 hurt them, lfp packs and the tax credit moving to a pos redeemable rebate starting Jan 1st of 2024 all have hurt ev sales.
Still up globally over 40% ytd I mean what a sales slump right? From 12% of sales were ev&phev in 2022 to over 18% So far in 2023. 😁👍🏻
Ridiculous comment. All you have to do is look at how many EVs are languishing on dealer lots.
@@pauledwards1157 There are tons of gas-powered vehicles sitting on dealer lots too. I guess that means people don't want them... You sure are smart. :)
@@daniellarusso8012 Well I do have a masters degree in mechanical engineering and 3 patents so you’re correct on that statement.
@@pauledwards1157 And you obviously skipped logic. :)
I'm slowly window shopping for a new vehicle and the Mach E keeps popping up for me because it kind of fits a number of my needs. It's a (relatively) sporty hatch that makes commuting cheap. Not to mention the fact that with the downturn of EVs and the recalls for this model you can honestly get a decently specced used model with less than 30k on the clock in the low 20s.
That in a world of $30-50k brand new cars is enticing. Especially if the recalls are performed by someone who isn't a straight up chimp and knows what they're doing.
However, the whole generational approach to EVs has me wondering if it's worth it even at that price point.
Except literally every owner (just read the comments on this video) LOVES this car. Its just you who doesnt get it.
This is a perfect conversation around the problems with EVs in general. Other than the novelty factor they really don't offer much over a comparable ICE vehicle at the proposed price. EVs make total sense for many commercial vehicles or cheaper commuter/city cars, but the push for them in the luxury segment is where the market has really gone off track. It just too hard of a sell for most people.
own one and come back here, or at least drive one and come back here. You get more interior space in a smaller car, you get better driving characteristics, little to no maintenance, and no need to fill up at the station. The only draw back to an EV where it isn't light years ahead of a gas vehicle is the time to charge. But even that's not that bad and Tesla chargers are begin opened to all manufacturers.
We have owned a Mach E for over a year now and it is the absolute best car ever! My wife and I would never go back to ice vehicles again
I got my GT in 2021. Only paid MSRP, even though dealer tried to tack on $5k at the last minute. Only have had a few glitches and no dreaded hvbj failures. I love it as my daily driver; its quick to get up to speed, fun to play around with, has enough featured to justify the cost, and is comfortable to drive on my 30m work commute and the local roads. I just paid it off since I plan on driving it into the ground. I can't really imagine a better car for me.
I bet it does well in mexico. But here in usa it is import trash.
@@ronaldarchibald2506 the idea of imports mattered back when most of the components came from the USA... but most don't so who really cares about where the Chinese parts are put together?
Please update us in 3 years
I was looking for your Land Rover Defender review and stumbled on this one. We have a Mach-e cyber orange supreme and absolutely love this car. The ratings for satisfaction are very high and I do have to say both my wife and I have never had a car , and we've had a lot of cars and trucks, that we've had as much fun with as this one. It's fast, love the one pedal driving, corners great, ride is well controlled, and it never disappoints whenever we take it anywhere. Love this car. PS. We went to the dealer to buy a Bronco Sport and my wife saw this car on the lot. The Bronco Sport was awful, this was a blast!. Got a great deal with the electric discount and Ford discounts, special financing, and it was cheaper than the Bronco. No brainer.
Agree with the tenor of this video, although the Mach E has actually grown on me over the past couple of years, thanks to a neighbor owning one and me seeing it everyday. EVs still don't make sense for a lot of people, but the government is mandating their proliferation - the manufacturers are simply marching to the tune of their drummer. In the mean time, I'll keep driving my 3 row, V8 powered luxury SUV 'til the wheels fall off.
EVs make sense for everyone who cares how much their great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's pretty much what's at stake.
How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how bad the crops failures are 50 or a hundred years from now, and how many millions of people are displaced from the area where they grew up.
So when they say, "there's no reason to buy this car," they're leaving out a big one. And it's not the only good reason.
@@davidmenasco5743 wow, you're chanting the exact same line that's been dragged out in front of you gullible cattle for the last 60 years.
@@echodelta2172 I'm repeating the concern voiced by Edward Teller on behalf of the nation's physicists, when he gave an invited address to the American Petroleum Institute in 1959.
Teller, in case you don't recall, was for several decades the favorite scientist of the political right in the US. He had a column in Reader's Digest and served (unofficially, I believe) as a spokesman for several right wing causes.
What a load of crap. EVs are not saving the planet. Stop with the BS. Better mass transit. Clean alternative fuels like efuel from Porsche. Folks keeping their cars for longer. These are more sensible options. To tell me that such a resource- intensive thing as an EV with a huge carbon footprint in its manufacture, not to mention a lot of components in EVs are made from derivatives of oil. Wake up mate. The grandkids will be fine😂
@@davidmenasco5743 With all the depopulation from declining birthrates, we won't need to worry about having enough food -- it'll be having enough people.
Ford started out well. They got a rather mediocre car out but they got it out early. It doesn't look so good on paper or in photos but it's much nicer when you see it in real life. It was a pretty decent first attempt. Then nothing happened.
When Tesla launched the Model 3 it got a lot of criticism. The roasting by Sandy Munroe is famous now. Then they started iterating like crazy. The 2020 Model 3 was like a new car compared to the 2018 version. The 2023 Highland is said to be the same again. The Model Y is supposed to be the world's best selling car this year yet next year the new version of it is coming out. As they keep iterating and finding better way to do things, it gets cheaper. So then they can cut the price. It's a virtuous circle.
I can think of plenty of new things between the M3 of a few years ago and today: double glazed windows, HW4, improved cameras, ventilated seats, powered boot, faster processor, better screen, rear screen, new suspension, etc. Maybe it's Ford failing to promote its car but I can't think what the exciting things are about the new model.
Phillip.
Auto manufacturers used to have marketing research departments to determine what the consumers wanted, now they just do whatever the government tells them to do.
Oh I’m sure they did tons of focus groups for this thing. But if you have an agenda you can get a focus group to find whatever you’re looking for.
Amazing how EVs are failing in a market that didn't even want them in the first place
Feels like EVs have saturated their market, the early adopters who are good dealing with the shortcomings of an EV, enthusiasts. The infrastructure isn't there to get regular people out of ICE cars while cross-shopping.
That's a valid point. As the infrastructure builds out and automakers switch to NACS over the next few years, this will likely accelerate EV adoption
A Ford F150 Lightning was supposed to start under 40k. Then dealers decided to shaft its customers with "market adjustments". Then Ford raises starting price to 49k? That's why. Interesting how other products generally get less expensive over time, except cars and houses.
I've had a Tesla Model 3 since mid-2019. I like the styling of this vehicle more than the Model Y or my M3P, but when comparing the two with all factors considered, if I were to make a move, I'd have to get this at a great price to choose it over one of Tesla's offerings. Also, the fact it is manufactured in Mexico is a factor.
With interest rates where they are and people being pissed at dealers for taking advantage of supply issues with market adjustments, I think it lead a lot of would-be buyers to hesitate on these. Couple that with this recall, it's not all that surprising they are having more difficulty selling them.
Something else that doesn't help with EV sales is that dealerships and salesmen have no incentive to sell EVs. Salesmen have to spend more time per customer and dealerships don't get a lot of service revenue from them. Despite being a Tesla skeptic, one of the things I think they did great is selling direct. No shenanigans, test drive one at a showroom, go online, hit "order" and pick up the car in a few weeks at most.
Comming up on our 3rd year of ownership of a Select RWD I would agree the higher packages are not a "great deal" but for the high 30s on the lower end I would be hard pressed to find an ICE rig that is a fun to drive and I could fuel for free. The average person can not put an oil refinery on their roof..😊
I don’t think you are fueling for free. Unless it is from your place of employment. Even if you have solar panels at home you paid an upcharge for the privilege.
Good example of financial illiteracy.
Well that's nice if you're allowed to own a home but no one can buy a home anymore unless they already owned one before the rates went up. Home ownership is impossible for new buyers and renters have zero options for home charging.
All those "fuel savings" and more will be spent on a new battery
With the recent price cuts and 0% financing, it made sense to me pick one up. Premium AWD extended battery for $45k. This thing was marked at 60,100 2 weeks before ai picked it up. I have access to free charging and get 300 miles per charge. I’m in a busy city and have access to over 150 chargers within 10 miles of my house as well just in case. We do have a gas car in our lineup for extended trips, but can say after 1300 miles in 2 weeks, this thing is pretty sweet. I can also see why EV’s don’t make sense to some, but if you can make it work I would 100% recommend it.
This is another thing about EVs that pisses me off …… extended battery pack !
I mean why not have every car with a half decent range straight out of the box ?
You get conned into paying extra for something you should already have !
I blame musk for starting this bullshit.
When you buy an ICE powered vehicle, they don’t ask you if you want to pay thousands of dollars extra so you can have a decent range of!
ICE cars just automatically come that way !
EVs with a single motor drive just fine , if people want extra performance that can be an option and fine .
Having a decent range out of the box should not be a pay option !
I might add , having limited range also has safety implications !
If your wife or son or daughter run out of range at night in a bad place …… that is just not acceptable, it’s bullshit, and why people are not calling this out is just beyond belief.
The art of saying nothing for 15 minutes.
The main advantage of an EV truck is gas and maintenance savings 👍
Exactly. The Lightning makes a ton of sense for the right buyer. Anybody who needs a work truck for doing local jobs like a landscaper or electrician, or maybe an account rep doing sales calls racking up 200-300 miles per day. Hell, tow the bass boat 50 miles out to the lake and back 7/days a week/ 365 days a year and just charge every night after packing the fish in the freezer. The Lightning is perfect for that owner. It falls on its face if you wanna tow a horse trailer all over the country.
@@anthonyc8499 exactly!
We should expect more and I'm glad for this constructive criticism. With new mustangs we have NACS adoption happening, access to the Tesla charging network, improved battery chemistry and reduced cost, ie more value. The criticism is legit but it's looking at the past, not forward.
Got a Mach E Premium a few months ago. So far I absolutely love the car, hoping that it doesn't give me any fuss though.
We’ve had a GT for a year still love it and absolutely zero problems or maintenance.
Its going to be worth sweet fukc all second hand.And still wont go as fast as my ICE Mustang.So you are fooling yourself if think its a performance car.Its an SUV with a Mustang badge nothing more or less.
@@bobbybroom The only thing that will happen to it,it will virtually worthless in 3 years time.
Have had my 2022, MME GTP for about 9 mos now. Went through the recall pretty seamlessly. Also withstood the subzero temperatures relatively successfully (no stalling or being stranded). I drive it to work 3 or 4 times a week, with a total daily roundtrip time of around 150 mls.
Earlier, I commented that I hope nothing terrible happens to the car, similarly to hoping not to go outside and get hit by a bus. Of course, those of us with a modicum of intelligence and/or life experience know that any car depreciates considerably once it's driven off the lot. Some more than others, I'm sure. However, I didn't buy my MME for the purposes of reselling it, tricking it out (too much), or drag racing. It's my daily-driver, family SUV, head-turner. AND, I pay $0.00 for gas!!! The savings I accrue compared to having to pay for premium grade for my former Audi Q5, at $5/gal for 450-600 mls per wk is ridiculous... In my favor.
All that said, I really don't understand the immature vitriol from some on here. And about what?!? "My car is better than yours?!?!" GTFU (First word Grow, last word Up.) I hope you get what seems to be much needed respect from whoever sits in your passenger seat. But from what I see here, they either don't exist, or they deserve our sympathy.
@@mikehunt-w8u You don't have a Mustang little troll 🤡
Great video. Your best point was in regards to repair. None of the 25+ year veteran mechanics at the dealer have any interest in learning to fix EVs, and the vast majority of the younger guys who get by on brake jobs, alignments, and fluid flushes are not going to be able to do transition to the dangerous, highly specialized work of EV battery repair. That means that dealers will, by and large, want nothing to do with trying to fix them.
Aside from brake jobs , alignments… what is there to regularly repair with an EV? The fixed single gear tranny? The electric motors? The battery which is a one unit and warrantied for 8 yrs and 120k+ miles? Heck … you don’t even need oil changes or worrying about your exhaust rusting out or the tranny gear fluid getting old….
@@tangoESPECIAL you think these over-engineered junk piles arent going to ever have problems LOL. that's drinking the cool-aide. i know of plenty of electronic devices that has gremlins. these things are among the most complex pieces of electronics sold to the consumer.
@@andrewdonohue1853 buy a Tesla then - purpose built EVs and not compliance vehicles hastily developed
@@tangoESPECIAL im not interested in purchasing an EV.
@@andrewdonohue1853 the planet thanks you...as do future generations of children