War Thunder Sim - How To Fly The Spitfire | Plus Some Tips For Avoiding Wing-Stalls and Flatspins!
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Today's tutorial focuses on how to fly the Spitfire in War Thunder Simulator battles. Now this is not a specific guide on the Spitfire in terms of its guns, combat tactics etc. This guide is meant to give you a broad understanding on how to handle the Spitfire and fly it appropriately as many people struggle with its in-game flight model.
This video also includes a brief explanation on wing-stalls and flatspins, and offers some tips to help you get out of a flatspin should you find yourself in that particular situation!
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0:00 Introduction
1:20 Discussing the flight model and its issues
3:55 Control Setup
5:33 Trim setup
6:35 Discussing Wing Stalls
9:45 Discussing Flatspins
11:18 General advice for flying the Spitfire
13:39 Closing remarks & Outro
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--Equipment--
VR: Oculus Rift S
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MSI Z370 Pc Pro Motherboard
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Special shoutout to Hespheus who helped me film the scripted dogfights for this video!
I got my head tracking working today for the first time, I wanted to go into SIM but the only worthy battle was for me to be British and try and fly a Spitfire, OMFG, what is this? (and with the new to headtracker!) Is this how Spitfire's really handled? Seriously? Yeh a dedicated control setup, the model for the Spitfire is sooooo mad.....well said, great video, really want to 'fly' this amazing plane!
My favorite plane is in fact the Oh god, oh fuck, why is everything spinning. Really iconic.
Me as a BF-109 player :
"So, you have some critical weakness"
As a fellow occasional user of the 109... they have a few, aye. But then, you saw how even a wiggly mess of a spitfire fares against the 109 in the video. (Admittedly, the 109 pilot was an incompetent idiot, which may have affected the one-sidedness of those fights. lol.)
@@hespheus2255 ah yes, its up to the pilot skill, that 109 pilot on that video dont even know how bf works xD
@@ZaYn.91 Yep, we do. One thing is not mentioned here, and that is how taxing flying the Spit in WT is. I can fly a 109 for entire EC, or even better - a 190. The butcher bird is almost as comfy as a P-38. On Spit ? There is quite a bit of strain on the pilot, you need to do everything properly. Keeping your turns coordinated, trim, manage engine, temps etc. Basically you fight your own kite as much as the enemy. An hour of flying like this, and I am usually ready to throw the towel.
The performance is great, but so is the cost.
@@hespheus2255 I've been flying the spits a lot for about 3 months. Probably at least 200 hrs. I can easily be glued to the rear of a 109, except maybe if it dives away. At the same speed and turning rate as a 109, there's a pretty good clearance to the spitfires turn limit, can still comfortably turn more to delete the 109 with hispanos.
Pretty sure the roll rate of the spitfire using the rudder is better than the 109 also using its rudder.
Only real option for a 109 is to just dive and extend away.
@@ZaYn.91 the pilot in that video was Hespheus lmao. It was a "scripted" dogfight
(Lowers multiplier to half)
“Well I can get out turned by a ju-88 but at least I’m not blacking out from being in a flat spin”
I fly Spitfires like a stumbling fool, wobbling around and dizzy, but somehow I always get lucky in it. Don't know why
The Spitfires in my old Combat Flight Simulator exhibit the same stall characteristics as you demonstrated here. As you pointed out, with gentle inputs on the elevator, good rudder coordination and enough speed the Spit will sail through turns. Also, its low wing loading means you don't have to bank as steeply as other aircraft to get a good turn rate.
i love flying the spit in sim for the iconic feeling alone, just wish they made the flight model a little less wonky, but great video anyways thanks for helping out
There’s always been a problem trying to simulate big control sticks with feet of travel and dozens of pounds of force with our plastic joysticks and springs without becoming unstable as hell. Planes that were in a reality joyous to fly because of easy responsiveness become nightmares of nose bounce. The BEST answer I’ve tried is good Force Feedback, I wish War Thunder would get on fixing their support for that.
Ahh yes, the Spitfire. The only prop I flew throughout my time playing warthunder.
=NmY=*cisc189
You have killed me once in that re-2000 series video. I swear one day I’mma fill your plane with lead once I get better at sim and spotting to settle the score.
lmao
@@daboops1897 bruh, you’re here?
@@spitfire_flyer5659 gotta support my sim buds haha
Love flying the Spits, the rudder is so good for snap rolls.
I take them out in ground sim a lot, just shred through enemy fighters then dive bombing a tank with 250lb or 500lb bombs. Gotten pretty accurate with the bombs, but pulling out of a dive can sometimes rip the wings.
Watch that speed!
My war thunder fairy god mother! Been learning how to fly these gals in sim the past week or so!
Super video. I can confirm all you said. Once set up and understood in how to fly, she's a beast.
I find all Spits benefit from lots of throttle comtrol too. Cutting it in some turns, short term full power when coming out of turns.
Well a year later this video has popped up on my feed and since then I’ve managed to master vr graphics in war thunder and also the ability to fly a spitfire competently. This is a very good video for anyone attempting to fly this plane. I have found i just have to coax it in the direction I want to turn with a little touch of rudder , aileron and elevator and it just whizzes around like it’s on rails. I even set the pitch multiplier to .08 as I never need to use full deflection, and doing so will put you in the situation expertly detailed in this video.
I don't have the kit to do simulator battles but the explanation you gave about turn fighting put a problem I was having in Air RB into terms I could understand, thank you very much.
Great video TeaRex. Your point about rudder pedals is absolutely correct. So important in the WT Spitfire they are, that they should be renamed anti stall pedals.
When I started war thunder in the stone ages the spit flew like a dream - super comfortable - then some years ago they totally changed the FM to become almost unflyable, a year ago or something they tweaked it making it manageable - more like it was irl I guess. I like personality of planes - that they have their own issues to learn and your video certainly do make me wanna take it out for a spin ^^ again. I've had SOME fun with it the last year, you don't HAVE to make a special setting for it in my opinion... - still... I can't forget how smooth and easy it once was - back in the stone age.
I wish I flew during those times. It's so hard for me (I'm noob)
Great video! I have been exoerience the same problems you addressed. Thanks. It was abig help!
Thanks a lot for this video, both helpful & highly informative, you have earned a new subscriber
The D.373 would like to talk with you. It literally spins itself into death because of that giant radial engine, and it's a reserve, so it's many people's first sim fighter, including mine. However, it has a tendency to flatspin whenever you use the rudder any little tiny bit, so avoid the A and D keys like the plague while flying that plane because it'll stall out and crash. Even worse, it has a strong prop wash and simply likes to crash whenever it feels like it, especially on takeoff or during high power settings, and thanks to its spindly undercarriage, it's about as easy to land as the Space Shuttle.
All of that in a reserve fighter that could be your first sim plane...nice.
(However, if you do manage to get past these shortcomings, it's fantastic. 4 decent MGs and high top-speed for a 1.0 plane).
I'll give it a try tomorrow, maybe I find something? Never tried to play french though so yea... Sounds like the usual french experience lol
The j6 for Sweden likes to do some funky stuff on take off likes to nose down into the ground I feel that since me being a mainly RB player decided to switch to sim for all of Sweden’s tech tree and that was my first plane
Honestly, it's not thaaat bad I find... The D.373 likes to spin out but I have more problems with the Spitfires. There are probably some tricks to get it flying but I honestly don't feel like trying :'D
Just gave up on them a few days back, might have to give them another shot.
I really love the Spitfire's engine and Turn time, But I really hate how bad are its guns
Try using a shorter convergence on your guns.... I set mine up to 250m and do fairly well with the .303's
On the other end of the spectrum, some plants inexplicably can’t pull into the accelerated stall under many flight conditions. For instance, P-51s can’t get any benefit out of their maneuvering flaps because they just can’t pull to stall AoA below corner speed with flaps deployed, which is precisely when you might want to pop flaps.
Ohh I didn't know that was a thing! Thanks, I learn something new everyday
Dude thank you so much with your settings, now i can actually enjoy the game, before these settings everyone was able to outturn me and outroll me, even weak spitfires
very informative video thanks man!
I love spitfire (2nd best plane for me) but cooling it annoying since the throttle has to be a 90-95 to cool down which is a lot time lost to climb
When I first started grinding the line, I wanted to love this plane but I HATED it as I felt it was too sensitive and unstable. After hours of frustration and through trial and error, I had come to the conclusion that I was trying too hard to fly the plane when the Spitfire will practically fly itself. It is now my favorite line of planes to fly and the ones I do best in.
Good Video!
Another thing you can do is when you *do* have her in a nice and stable configuration and all you're trying to do is change pitch is throttle down or up a little respectively. She'll change her pitch a bit just by doing that. This is true for most aircraft btw, but it's not viable for a lot of combat applications, so bear that in mind.
Excellent video. I don’t play sim in WT, and one of the reasons is the FM’s tuned for Realistic and Arcade feel wrong to me, based on my virtual flying in both DCS and IL2. I’ll give the spit in WT sim another go, maybe I just need to understand how it’s different.
I fly DCS, il2 an Microsoft flight sim yet war thunder seems to be the hardest to fly in 😂
This tutorial was amazing I thought I was the only one who had issues with the spitfire in SB and I didn’t know warthunder made the flight models broken. If you have time one day can you make a tutorial on the P51 mustang? the C and D variants
Very good info for BOS and DCS pilots also
Great video and very good info. To be honest I gave up with war thunder as it seems it just isn’t designed for using a joystick ....and mouse flyers just get the upper hand every time. I’ve gone over to DCS and bought the MkIX. It’s great being able to actually do a full preflight check and startup just like it’s done in the real world with a fully clickable cockpit , and with a reverb G2 it is amazing. War Thunder in VR seems to be a lot more fuzzy compared with IL2 and DCS. I struggle to spot anything on the ground at all...and planes can’t be IDd till they are virtually on top of you.
Spitfires doesn't even need full half elevator to out turn people.
Before spin it's good to reduce your ange of attack by pitching down, because just applying opposite rudder makes your plane spin to the other direction.
Yes the merlin engines were a problem with actual early spitfires too as it worked on a float system which would leak and fail during positive G movements
My first interaction with a spitfire was with me in a 109 diving past them to gain speed, then looking over my shoulder to see a parachute and a wildly spinning spitfire
I'm counting it as a manuever kill and will not be convinced otherwise
I like the mk 1a the most but the mk vb is growing on me my controls setup for the ex 3dpro is 100% pitch with 1.6 non Leonetti. I will try out your controls Rex love your videos keep up the good work 👍
Thank you so much for this! I have found that with the new update that the early Spitfires accelerate abysmally slow, often to my detriment in a dogfight. Do you find this as well?
I love your channel
I play on xbox and found that setting dedicated controlls for each individual aircraft is the only way.. i mostly adjust the pitch/roll non linearity, sensitivity, and multiplier according to each ones handeling characteristics, im also able to adjust trim on D-pad for quick mid flight adjustments.
thanks dude, the turn speed lower limit is useful. i'll get in the spit and let u know how i do...
@TeaRex yes dude, gotta say after trimming her up and a bit of discipline on my part my spits aren't falling out of the sky like sycamore seeds so much now. thanks
Originally in WT the Spit was great Then in one pf the early updates it was a horror show Great Vid
Dude. Im bout to binge all ur sim tutorials. I can see that you have gone pretty far in the German aircraft tree, I’ve done the same. I’m using a joystick and it’s damn near impossible to dogfight or hit ground targets right now, but I’m pretty good at bombing and getting better at dog fighting.. I feel like I’m doing something way wrong either with controlling or getting those specific pitch roll yaw settings right (dead zone, non-lin, etc). What are you setting numbers for your german fighters? Right now I’m in the 3-4.5 rank aircraft
The problem with the spitfire is that the joystick sensitivity settings for it as to numb for use in other planes like the Mossie, the Hawkers and the settings that maximize the maneuverability of the Mossie and Hawkers result in the spitfire flailing about as every small control input leads to massive nose movements.
The only way around this is to create a setting for the Spitfires and a second one or everything else.
At this point I've given up flying the Spit unless it's the only plane I'm flying that day.
Yup after finding this video on how to fly my spitfires better in Arcade I dont think I will be touching Sim Battles. Way too much going on for my tiny brain :)
Thanks for this, worth the wait. Question, how many different control setups do you have? Already I have one for bombers, fighter bombers (with bombs or rockets) and fighters and now evidently need one for Spitfires. Is this common? I'm using a t-flight 4 hotas so not a ton of buttons. Thanks again, really enjoy your content.
I have three. One for mouse and key for tanks. A regular sim setup and one for Spitfires.
Problems in flight, I'm {mostly} alright in the air, it's getting there. I think there's a conspiratorial high powered plane magnet in the air towers, planes always attracted to them; why always left, then left and down! :D
Not got to the Spitfire yet; test flight never occurred! Struggle to hit things in arcade/realistic and I've barely ever found anybody in sim to try... that hasn't already found me first. I always feel like a kid drving a car not being able to see over the steering wheel, pitching down jsut to see straight ahead; I think my pilot needs a bigger cushion
Hey man I've seen your posts I can help u set up and play some of you'd like, just reply to my messages and I'll give you our discord, it's easy once you know what your doing bud 👍
@@ScullzOG Cool cheers! :D
@@ScullzOG Eyez 187
Sorry for late reply to this video, but what is your deadzone and nonlinearity setting for roll and yaw?
How do you look around in sim better? Cause for me i use the little nimble on my joystick but that doesnt look too great and hard to use and its hard to use the mouse in the middil3 of the dogfight too cause i can only use it the look activation key
Watching this after I attempt to fly it in SIM, without track ir, and on keyboard lol
how'd you get the cinematic shots?
Ajusting controls only for sim joysitck? Or for ARB we should ajust as well?
You are quite correct: The Spitfire in real life would not turn well below about 220 mph... It made a fast but much wider circle than most other types, maintaining a high turn rate of 20-22 seconds, but on a poor radius: Its trick was it could stall itself to briefly point at a smaller 109 or 190 circle, but this was a poor crutch at best, since the guns had a 1% hit rate... Kudos for getting this right... Much less well known is that the FW-190A was the probably the purest slow speed turn fighter of the entire War: It literally did nothing else well (what sea of nonsense Eric Brown said about this notwithstanding): It was the purest turn fighter this side of the Ki-43 Oscar, with possibly the worst high-speed handling of all WWII fighters. Russian Red Fleet evaluation said: "It will inevitably offer turning combat at a minimum speed." while Clostermann, who shot down 10 of them, said the notion that the Spitfire out-turns the FW-190A at low speeds below 220 mph (the Spitfire did vastly out-turn it at higher speeds) was "a good joke: Few who tried it came back to complain about the Spitfire legend." Johnnie Johnson himself, with 20 FW-190A kills said (top Allied scorer on the 190): "The Spitfire would be out turned by the FW-190A: In multiple consecutive circles, it was only a matter of time." Turning at low speed was the most important attribute of a WWII fighter, because it "locked the target in" (usually poorly replicated in games), and also easily broke high speed diving attacks, while giving the guns a lot of time for the 1% hit rate to take effect: See more on this on my channel: ua-cam.com/video/uYnCI3XURx0/v-deo.html, or: ua-cam.com/video/S31ZtXFHFFQ/v-deo.html
I don’t care that it stalls a lot, I still love the spitfires
Hey, it's me again. Unlocked a few of a Spits, gave them a whirl. The thing that my slip readout in WTRTI made very clear is that the problem is the Spit yawing HARD right when you pull G in the thing which must be ruddered out or you're asking for a spin, like a freakin' Sopwith Camel. I've never heard of such a trait for Spitfire and it seems unlikely since there is not 300+ pounds of rotary engine up there spinning on the front of a Spitty.
Yeah there is definitely something wrong with its flight model
I have been flying Spitfires for years in WT, both the low and high tier ones. The point he mentioned about horizontal turning and not turning at low speeds are in my humble opinion, incorrect. The thing is, a competent Spitfire pilot knows what TeaRex pointed out: You don't need maximum joystick inputs (Basically, at 100% input), rather... Keep the inputs around 75 to 80%, and a Spit will outperform a 109. Even at low speeds. A Zero is always a worthy opponent, but in that case your Spitfire has something the Zero lacks: Serious power. It's a LOT quicker than a Zero. (tier for tier.)
Ahhh there's my lady counterpart.... Soo true... However Dominique to get to that point you have to spend alot of time with the lady and learn how far you can push that envelope... Remember we have invested hundreds if not thousands of hours into learning her... Oh it's Ironsheep btw...lol
@@stuparris Ahh, hey hey. Yeah, you are right. I was just warning people to not assume Spits 'cannot' turn horizontally or at low speeds. ^^
Zero jock here to represent! Likewise, the Spitfire is always a worthy opponent, the Merlin engine is a beast. I've had many truly beautiful dogfights with Spitfires
I just started grinding Brit by buying the MB 5 and Hornet and it seems like most planes in the Brit tree have way more elevator than is really necessary and can do with the multiplier out at .85 or so. Odd.
Roll axis = 0.05 dead zone
Pitch axis = 0.08 dead zone, 0.85 multiplier
Trim ailerons -9%
100% roll, 65% Pitch, 50% Yaw
This is what i use and lemme tell you its fun when you can actually fly spits in sims properly. Remember to be careful when pulling G's, be gentle on turning because it will go in a spin.
Progress with Brit tree in sim:
The Spit LF IX seems to be the most stable so far, and is baaaaaaaadass. The Spit XVI otoh is such a basketcase that even with two decades of sim experience and joystick curves I can’t make it go straight.
No other single engine plane I’ve tested yaws with application of G so much like it has huge gyroscopic effect, not 109s not Italian jobs nor Tempest/Typhoon. Simply bizarre.
Can we just appreciate that it has the coolest name? XD
I have never flat spin in my spitfire even in sim but my friend does a lot
Is there a way to improve the visibility in Spitfire cockpits?
well all my sensitivity is at 0. my only problem is im pitching too much on my joystick which i dont think it should be. since i normally pitch up and down too much on the joystick and always does an accidentally and uncontrollably role to the left and to the right i just adjust the multiplier to limit the pitch of the airplane but not on the joystick.
I can't get to starte the Bf 109, even after trimming on the ground it pulls way too much and I can't get it to start steady reeeeee
So a faster turn can be also tighter becuase you're not using full elevator deflection? Do you know if Yaks also turn tighter with more speed? (it's the only planes I use :P)
Faster turn is never going to be tighter than a slower turn at full deflection, however the Spitfire is un-matched in these faster turns. So if you can, keep your dogfights fast!
@@TeaRexChannel No no, I need to keep them slow, so they don't have an advantage against me :P
I am truing to use the spitfire in RB, and getting Bnzed, I don't know what to do, getting shot down every match
Do you have the WTRTI overlay? Having your angle of attack readout on screen really lets you know what’s going on.
I've never heard of that overlay lol
@@TeaRexChannel Adamtheeninerd turned me on to. It's a program that can give you a readout of your horsepower, thrust, aoa and other aerodynamic goodies are in the game while you're flying.
Eh ben enfin pas trop tôt. C’est pas Toastman qui l’aurait fait ^^
I’m super new to sim in warthunder and I know this is a really niche question, but do you or any kind person that sees this comment have any tips for flying the P-59? It’s my favorite plane and would love for it to be my workhorse in sim as it is in realistic. Thank you for responding if you do respond that is
I don't have the P59 im afraid
@@TeaRexChannel that’s ok thanks for replying anyway love the videos
Seems like a lot of fun hah, but a flat spin on VR must be a traumatic experience
Can you make a basic sim tutorial video?
I made a whole series ua-cam.com/play/PL-pqqUbDjCQNPibUOdpMWaCjVm0Uktd34.html
What I do is adding 8%-10% on my elevator trim and 5%-9% on my rudder trim
Idk if they've been fixed but the Sim flight models for the Spitfires in WT were fundamentally wrong when I last tried them. IRL the Spitfire had a neutral static stability in pitch (literally the opposite of what's displayed in this video; when you point the nose in any which direction it remains more or less where pointed when the stick is centred) and was extremely intuitive to fly. It's just blatantly falsely modelled. Fly any of the IL-2s or DCS for a much, MUCH better representation.
How is Zero
to fly compared to this in Sim?
and how do you get the mirrors to work?
The mirrors are still pretty bad, they got improved a bit in the New Power update
Just flew a sim game in the mkIX and it was awful. Have no trouble in the typhoon. Spitfire is slow, overheats and falls to pieces if a small child fire an air rifle within 10 miles.
How do people struggle to fly the spitfire it was my first plane and Iv never been in a flat spin
I heard Sparky, I watch.
Yoooo wtf bro I just want to play the game xD
Does this apply to IL-2 Spits?
The general principle of it will, yes :)
okay, so i dont stall in manuevers and i dont fuck my engine in negative Gs.. fine, but its still super weird to fly..
13:30 "Trading altitude for energy"
You mean trading altitude for speed. Both are energy.
Oh I thought the plane was actually gonna SPIT FIRE 🤪
12/06/2022 flight model is still broken!
9:00
I just got oh god fuck why id everything spinning
i break like botton
Can you make a guide for making RP legitimately?
So that's why I keep crashing
Really? It was historically the easiest plane to push to the edge, ESPECIALLY the Merlin. The Griff had difficult ground handling maybe, but that’s its.
It just pitches up and up loool
Just quit wt and play il2 at this point
My issue with Gaijin's man-made flat spins is, not being able to come out of the flat spin. Pilot training includes deliberately going into a spin and how to get out of them. This is all part of what a pilot has to go through to get his pilots license. However, with Gaijin, once you go into a flat spin it is virtually impossible to come out of that flat spin. This is what pisses me off. Imagine if a person training a pilot wanabe to come out of a spin, and never being able to come out of that spin, there would be no pilots as all would be killed in training. Gaijin's treatment of the Spitfire is not based on fact and science, it is based solely on kissing ass of all those who use to complain about the Spitfire kicking their ass. That is when Gaijin decided to completely mess up the flight model as putting useless guns and ammo on them was not enough to stop all the crying and complaining in the forums by snowflakes. This is my complaint about the Spitfire. That its flight model was delibert and its guns and ammo were all deliberate by Gaijin.
You can absolutely come out of a flatspin in War Thunder (as was shown in this video). It's not a complex process and works almost every time so long as you have the altitude.
The spitfires are very good when you get used to its flight model, its just more sensitive than other planes.
What do you mean by it can't come out of flat spins, it shows how to come out of them in the video and the spitfires are the planes than come come out of a flat spin relativity quickly and easily compared to other planes.
Also Air targets on hispanos have HEF-SAPI which are bugged and don't work. Best belts are Stealth, and Default for a belt with tracers. Both Stealth and Default have 50% HEF which you want. Stealth will quickly delete any fighter it touches
I agree with DarBrey. If you need any help, point out a specific version and I will see if I can give you some tips. :) (I'm asking for a specific version because of the huge difference between the Mk I and the Mk 22 for example. :P )
@@darbray7948 "just more sensitive" that's an understatement, Sir! I think its ridiculously sensitive, and I play mainly Zeroes!
Though I agree that recovering from a flat spin in a Spitfire is definitely manageable, and I don't even play a lot of Spitfires
I needed this! 🫶🏻