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Howard the Duck is making a comeback in the Marvel Universe, but is he even the REAL Howard the Duck, or just a clone? What if I told you that the Master of Quack-Fu was stolen from Marvel Comics by Steve Gerber almost two decades ago! Is this switcheroo canon, or does it not count? Let us know what you think about it in the comments below!
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That is the most clever thing anyone has ever done to say "Fuck you Marvel, I'm taking my duck back." Thanks for the information guys.
John Painter Haha. I think it's also the only thing ever done to say that. Haha. Thanks for watching!
I was just reading The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and Howard the Duck crossover, and they refrenced this story by saying this in the bottom page text "Man, It'd be crazy if we killed off Howard in this issue" "Just have him get secretly replaced by a duplicate from a parallel universe before this crossover ends. It'll work out great, I promise."
Why would anyone read Unreadable Squirrel girl?
@@harveyabel1354 Because its good
Which issue?
@@harveyabel1354 Ah, yes, I see we have an uncultured swine in our midst
so Steve Gerber wrote two crossovers at the same time for Marvel and Image, cross those stories over and took Howard the Duck into the Image universe and Spider-Man took a fake, and then Steve Gerber died? this has to be the most pimp to ever happen in comics ever.
What if the Collector got his hands on the real Howard somehow, that would put him back into the Marvel Universe, wouldn't it? The Collector does have ways to get things from alternate universes.
moviemaniacsDE Sounds good to me. Let's go with that! Haha
problem is it wouldn't be canon considering, the original creator is dead along with the real howard. Unless Marvel can revive dead people other then in comic books, It's otherwise nearly impossible. It's like living your whole life with the wrong parents only to realize it just before you die. It's the perfect checkmate!
You are asking if a company that makes comics and movies can revive a dead character in a comic book that they created and have the rights to...? Its not nearly impossible, its completely possible. And trust me, it is nothing like living your whole life with the wrong parents only to realize it just before you die (in reality) (in the real world) (where things are actually real) (and not in a movie) (or a comic book).
This is honestly the most genius thing I've ever heard... Stealing a character by... well... actually stealing him in the story. I honestly can't believe someone came up with this!
This is pure genius in every sense of the word. This is one of the best revenge stories ever told. Guy loses rights to character then years later subtly gets him back in such a genius way. This is genius, this is amazing. People like this guy doesn't come around often, but when they do its great.
Great video. Good to see all the attention that Howard is getting at the moment. One slight correction. In Gerber's original stories Howard didn't come from Duckworld. His planet was inhabited by all kinds of "animals". Duckworld was invented by Bill Mantlo after Gerber and Marvel parted company.
I was recently reading about Steve Gerber's rights to Howard the Duck on Wikipedia yesterday and read about it but didn't understand completely what went down. Now I fully understand what happened, thanks for opening my mind to something of such amazingness.
***** Glad I could be of service!
***** I have a little bit of image comics
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As he is talking with the Collector, I am certain that The Collector would have noticed if the Duck was a fake.
Also, as one of the powerful characters in the world, I recon he has some means of dimension-travel if so is necessary.
However, it isn't.
The switch happened in a story where image and marvel shared universes.
So, even if Howard would be currently renamed into Leonard, he is still in a universe shared by Marvel.
That is from where the Collector got him, probably disposing of the other duck in the meantime.
It is possible that the cameo is there to take Howard back.
Yo Yo Yo
I actually laugh at how cleaver this was XD
Sorry 4 years late but its 'clever!' Not cleaver
Sorry 4 years late but didnt ask
So that must have been a clone of Howard in the post-credits scene...
Wow. My mind has been blown. This was the greatest stunt in CB history!
It is especially amazing because Howard in the Marvel universe was after that being written by different people from the original writer, which means he probably was characterized ever so slightly differently, which supports the idea that he is a clone in the Marvel Universe.
Well no since the marvel comic universe is set around earth 616 while the cinematic universe is earth 199999
Sean Gannon What?
ananthusarat there are different universes in the world of marvel like the ultimate universe or the marvel zombies universe, all the earths have numbers
Sean Gannon
I know that, im just asking what that has to do with what he said.
ananthusarat since the "clone" howard exists in the basic marvel universe(earth-616) the Howard the duck at the end of guardians of the galaxy wouldn't be the same howard since that is in the marvel cinematic universe(earth-199999)
I take it for canon, because I think the original creator have the rights on his characters.
That's indeed what pisses me of more, about american comics: too many writers.
When you read a manga, it doesn't matter how much long it is (some really should close, after so many years), the writer is always the same... and in 95% of the cases, he's also the artist who draws it.
Same for graphic novels and some european comics.
So yes, I think they did a smart and right move and *Howard* is no longer in the *Marvel* universe.
-BETMARK-
Mangaka use unnamed "assistants" to fill, and sometimes even do all the work of keeping a popular title in production. It's not a perfect system there, though it is different. More akin to the way syndicated comics in the States were done in the early 20th century with big names like Will Eisner and Al Capp being slapped on the work of other artists. Creator-owned properties aren't out of the question here, especially since the Image revolution, though you have to actually make an effort to support them instead of whatever Warner or Disney are pushing.
BETMARKonTube but they did have a contract...
Bingo. You want to keep the character then you read the contract and negotiate.
But the only reason there is a marvel canon is that they retain the rights, otherwise all these characters would splinter off.
Man, if you pay someone to make you a chair, that chairs is yours or it is property of the person who made it for you?
*The Story of When Howard the Duck's Creator Stole Him from Marvel!*
Howard the Duck is an interesting character that recently made another big screen appearance since his 1986 movie, but is it the REAL Howard the Duck? Steve Gerber, the creator of the Master of Quack-Fu, planned an elaborate heist to steal back his beloved character from Marvel without them ever noticing! Scott runs you through the story of the epic clone swap in this week's #ComicMisconceptions !
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TheNerdClan I am so glad to hear that! I was genuinely worried that no one else would find this as awesome as I do. haha
***** It is awesome.
***** Thank you!
Wow just so brilliant that was so funny cruel and BRILLIANT!!!!!!!😆😆😆😆😆
Love your vids!😜
SkylanderRex5 Haha, thanks!
Is there Leonard The Duck comics because I want to read that!
I'm totally with you! I don't care what Marvel says, this heist is legit since it took place in an official crossover approved by Marvel themselves. Granted, it didn't happen in a Marvel book but still was officially canon to the overall crossover story.
***** Definitely!
***** The duck was not secretly stolen, Marvel did know about it immediately. The Marvel editor of the book was angry because he had specially asked to work with Gerber on the project, because he was a major Gerber fan. But then when Gerber pulled this..he said it was the "biggest mistake" of his carrier.
Was Marvel aware of it as the comic was being written, or was the plan still a secret in that phase? I have a feeling that they wouldn't have printed the comic if there wasn't at least a little secrecy to the plan.
***** Firstly I have to praise you for this awesome episode of your show! But your video makes in sound like an art heist where they replace the original with a copy and get way unnoticed at least for a while (the perfect heist basically). In this case however the editor at Marvel immediately fired back as soon as the issue came out and was furious. It wasn't a smooth crime..it was like saying someone robbed a 7/11 and then his face was all over the news and had wanted signs with his face; up everywhere. If Gerber had replaced Howard with a copy and no one noticed ever, or bothered to say anything or even no one noticed for just a little while then it would have been a different story. But this poped up immediately, I wouldn't call that 'secretly' stolen. Again with robbing the 7/11 or even an art museum..it's not really the crime of the century; if all the authorities know what you did.
I guess we just see it differently. In National Treasure, Nic Cage stole the Declaration of Independence. He was found out almost immediately and people went after him for the following few days until they caught up to him. Even though he was caught, you still have to appreciate the creativity and style that went into his heist. Even though he was caught, I'd still call it the crime of the century had it been real. I think the idea of no one finding out about it is kind of irrelevant to me.
***** Not necessarily what I mean is if he replaced it with a copy and everything went of smoothly, and he began using the character for himself than okay..it worked! But Gerber never really used the Leonard duck again, (except maybe one cameo). I would say that 'perhaps' maybe he feared legal action from Marvel because they knew what he did. Basically I think the difference here is your calling it the Nic Cage crime of the century.....then yes...I actually Agree with you! BUT if your calling it a "secret" art heist where they got away scott free..then I wouldn't say so because 'everybody' knew immediately what he did. There was nothing secret about it. Know what I mean? It's more to do that in the video you say it was a 'secret' crime and nobody knows about. You even say 'secretly' in the title of the video. Good video though by the way..great episode of your show. I also like your ninja turtle connection to iron man episde a lot too.
Ah, so it's more about semantics than anything else. It's just how we define "secretly". The actual definition (sorry to be THAT guy) is "not known or seen or not meant to be known or seen by others." It's that last part about something that is not meant to be known or seen that is what I'm getting at. Gerber wasn't forthright about this plan with Marvel. He kept it a secret from them until it happened. It doesn't matter if Marvel found out immediately, the point is they were never intended to know. He wasn't going around telling everyone his plan before it happened. The whole thing was intentionally being kept from Marvel until the end. So by that definition, I really don't see anything wrong with using that word.
I know this video was published a couple of years ago, but I just now watched it for the first time and I have two problems with it:
1. Gereber created Destroyer Duck to fund his lawsuit against Marvel in 1982 via the creator-owned focused publisher Eclipse - ten years before Image Comics was formed.
2. Gerber did return to Howard the Duck after the Spidey crossover, and in 2002 wrote an amazing Howard mini-series published through Marvel's then-new adult imprint MAX. I believe it was Gerber's last work on the character. Since then Marvel used the character sparingly, from a short registration story during Civil War, through a 2007 mini-series by Ty Templeton, and eventually a revamp by the great Chip Zdarsky in 2015, thanks to a renewed interest in Howard.
This counts as one of the coolest things ever done in Comics and I feel happy for the creator of Howard the Duck seeing that he got his creation back before he passed away and kudos to Erik Larsen for helping Mr. Gerber. Now lets see if Rob Liefeld can pull off the same trick with Deadpool.
best. heist ever. a real life heist in a comic universe!!! :D
Lite5h4dow Haha. Exactly! So good!
love your vids man. i dont actually read comics that often so i watch your show to keep up on the comic world :) your keeping my comic life alive dude
That's so encouraging! Thank you!
no prob man. its the truth.
0.0 This is why I go and hunt down/find/rewatch old videos..... for the amazingness that is in them. I loved this video. Thank you.
By far my favorite episode. You, NerdSync, earned my subscription today.
i'm pretty sure that they didn't even break any laws! WOW! *THAT IS THE MOST ELABORATE PLAN I EVER HEARD OF*
they did.... Marvel owns ALL RIGHTS to the character of HOWARD THE DUCK.... so anytime another company does literally ANYTHING with him... they LEGALLY HAVE TO MENTION THIS HAPPENED or they could be sued to death.
They could technically say that leonard is a different duck
Here's the cool part, he wasn't mentioned as howard throughout the comic only mentioned as "the real one" after the escape they refer to him as Leonard the duck
Changing his design by changing his feathers green.
Effectively bypassing copyright laws.
But what about Howard's girlfriend? Did he just leave her with the clone?
+Luciano Martinez
she also chaged her name
And dyed her hair black!
Well, im happy that Gurber got howard back before he died.
This is the coolest comic book story I ever heard.
LOL! WOW. Now I'm just waiting for the movie adaptation. *Image 11*
Stewdippin : Fun Nerdy Videos Every Week Hahaha! There could totally be a movie about this! It's too genius.
But there's a problem with Beverly. How did he clone her??????
yeah, Gerber didn't think that part through. or he threw it in as an inconsistency to reassure marvel that it's not canon making them more likely to agree to it. idk.
You are really good at this UA-cam thing.
Great content brilliantly delivered. Moar Pleze.
this is so awesome video, Scott.
I wonder how this would hold up in court. Since marvel did ok the comic it seems pretty legit.
Steve Gerber is a genius
RFXTheBRO True story!
He kinda was.
This is a fantastic video totally made my day. Thanks NerdSync.
This is amazing xD
Wow I love this. Actually a really creative thing to do. Hell, if I was given the opportunity, I'd do this too if it happened to me. This should be a heist given a name. Something like "The Gerber"
Maybe both Howards were clones and the real Howard was personally killed by Melf.
+lightyearpig12 lol
Nice profile pic
blew my mind
That's kind of dark
He probably in the mcu getting some if you know what I mean
awsome episode!!!!!!!!! need to make another episode like this
This is the best Nerd sync video
Just because of the genious of the heist and the poetry in the author getting his character back I say canon. Even though I have no real connection to Howard the Duck.
Read the comic book series of Howard the Duck, it's a really great series.
Damn! that was one heck of heist!! it's ingenuis and better than most heist plans i heard of...wonder if i can do the same with another character......excuse me now i have planning to do.
***** Oh boy. Just don't take away my Spider-Man.
***** The Astonishing Man-Spider here we come
Brilliant! just brilliant! Plus I loved watching Variant Comics just before I watched you!
It's pure brilliance and it's why I miss comic crossovers.
Having interacted with Steve Gerber back in the day on AOL (back when they had some of the best message boards around), this was really Steve being Steve. Marvel likely figured to just let him think what he wanted, THEY were the deciding vote on the identity of their characters. Besides, Gerber eventually went back to Marvel to write a new Howard title (part of their more mature line of books), so who's to say how pissed off he was in the end. If he still felt in his heart that Howard was safely hidden in the Image universe, whatever gets ya through the night, Steve...
I LOVE it!!!! ^_^
I"m sure, for most of us fans, this is Canon, no matter what those bastards at Marvel say :-)
You are right.
so true
This was a great idea for a heist! Imagine a movie of Gerber planning the heist!
I lol'd so hard with this video!! The idea is phenomenal!! Thanks for making this video!!:)
heist of the decade as far as I'm concerned!
rick classik Definitely!
nope, i totally accept that as canon
This channel is so awesome because I can clearly understand the content of your videos even though I'm not a comic book reader :)
Nico Guevarra It means so much tome that you said that, especially on this video. I was worried I wasn't explaining it clearly enough. I had people look over the script to make sure I was being clear before I recorded it. So I really appreciate that! Thanks!
Still one of my favorite videos of yours.
"... and nobody noticed."
Except that everybody noticed.
I remember a big deal being made of it on the comic forums on Usenet.
Did Steve Gerber ever actually make a comic with Leonard the Duck Formerly Known as Howard? And who owns the rights to the character now?
Joe mama
he didn't really make a full on comic with Leonard but he did cameo in the Nevada story in the second issue of winter's edge (also written by Steve Gerber obviously)
Scot did you know that Savage Dragon has crossed over with the tmnt
And also Spawn from Image has crossed over with Batman plus there have been a few crossovers with DC and Marvel so pretty much every comicbook is connected
Also Angili
I think I spellt that right sorry if I didn't
Who was in Spawn comics has recently become a Marvel superheroe if im not mistaken o think she is the sister of Thor and Loki
I might be wrong and you probably know more about Comicbooks than me
Also thanks for the info about Howard the duck great video
Comic Taco Productions What's really fascinating is that TMNT was in that same Savage Dragon/Destroyer Duck crossover comic! I love comic book crossovers!
***** oh cool
I do love crossovers but I think sometimes it can mess up canon like you said Marvel doesn't consider it part of their canon
Comic Taco Productions That's very true.
Fantastic Video Very Nostalgic
Whole Duck-heist idea is amazingly brilliant.
By popular acclaim, this so counts.
God, all these duck characters sound like something out of a bad movie.
This was so amazing.
Well, the question posed at the end certainly ties into a few PBS Idea Chanel episodes.
I really really hate clones they just confuse me ESPECIALLY THOSE TIME TRAVELING CLONES OR CLONES MADE BY TIME TRAVEL !
As I suggested in a reply to some inane comment below...I really suggest picking up a copy of Marvel Comics: The Untold Story, for a little more insight into this situation with Gerber and Howard, as well as many, many others.
Marvel had some seriously shady, greedy, under the table business dealings happening for quite a long time, and Gerber got caught up in it...and yeah, it pissed him off, obviously...as it would piss off any creator with half a brain.
As for whether it's canon or not, I don't really see things like that.
I am not some die hard company fan.
There are books from all companies, both huge, corporate ones and tiny independents...that I love...and I refuse to give in to the fanboy nonsense that encompasses the idea of 'canon".
Every company is different, and even artists and writers within those companies have different approaches to stories and characters, and then you have various off-canon one shots, tv shows and movies.
It's all so convoluted and complicated that trying to be a stickler for canon is flat out ludicrous, in my opinion.
Regardless, I thought Gerber's little jab and secret theft of Howard, by replacing him with a clone, was pure genius, on his part...and I will always support a creator, before I will support a company.
That's my 2 cents.
Anti Andy I've been meaning to pick up that book, but I feel like it would just ruin things for me. But in the name of good research, I should probably buy it on Amazon.
Nice to see Mr. The Duck get some love.
Insanely creative, beautifully ingenious.
this is my favourite Howard the duck story and believe its cannon also what do u think of marvels plan of no more origin storys im a bit happy with it but I like Dr strange's origin story thx for replying
jack ireland I am super excited with going the route of no origin story. I think Guardians did a great job of introducing all the characters and giving you everything you need to know about them in as little time as possible through some quick dialogue and the actions they take. If they can bring that sort of writing into the next phase of Marvel films, I'll be happy.
That being said, I also really enjoy Dr Strange's origin story. I guess only time will tell. I think it's good to have already established super-people in this world instead of giving them origins year after year. Doctor Strange in the comics is old, but he has magically enhanced longevity so he doesn't age like others. Imagine if they played off that showed the dynamic between him and Cap. Both men who have outlived most of their loved ones, but Dr. Strange had to watch as all of them slowly grew old and passed away. It would be interesting.
That's just my two cents though. :)
No, sweet props to image comics for this. Marvel definitely plays dirty sometimes, good on them to get the last laugh.
Danund81 I love Marvel, but I also love that this happened. I think it was just so incredibly well done by Gerber.
Damn Scott, that intro was beautifully done! I heard about this a few weeks ago,I think it was on Comicstorian but this video was fantastic. As always, your enthusiasm is a joy to watch!
Mike Cunningham Haha. You are one of the only people that comment on the intros. Haha. That's interesting that Comicstorian talked about it too. Was it on the podcast or was it it's own video? I must have missed it. And thanks for watching!
I think it had it's own video. I'm doubting if was Comicstorian or not now. I'm gonna have to look at my video history.
EDIT: After looking through the channels I'm subbed to, I can't find it. I don't know what I'm remembering. I'll just put this down to r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix
Great video man! Need to buy that comic book! with Leonard!
anybody else sew the superman duck
*see
+Rhys Perry me
Me
I saw that to
YES WE DID
Howard looks alot like Donald Duck
HOWARD THE DUCK IS OFFICIALLY DONALD DUCK'S BROTHER
Howard the Duck is based on Donald Duck.
So amazing! Best comic crossover!
It's just the best. One of the best subject covered yet IMO.
Jessica Moreau _You_ are just the best! Haha
Its like payday for Steven Gerber the ultimate heist right under marvels nose.
Star Killer Definitely!
genius! :)
I just told this story to my friend... he was AMAZED!!!! Thanks NerdSync!! :D
That was Brilliant!
Amazing that man is a genius
I FUCKING LOVE THIS STORY but the marvel universe just rebooted so :/
I heard about this from the Weekly Planet Podcast as well LOL
This video is awesome a classic I remember watching this 7 years ago
canon!
***** How was this secret??
Well it's not like they talked to Marvel and asked if they could steal Howard from them.
Wait I thought gereber worked with marvel
Carl Bloke did you pay no attention to this video he talks about gerber leaving marvel in the first few minutes.
Jason Pechon oh okay. Didn't catch that. So what company did he work for after he left marvel. Why did he leave in the first place?
watch the video again
Very entertaining!
Matt Strott Thank you! Glad you liked it.
This is awesome.
Me and my brother agreed that the best way to handle the "what is canon" thing is to just pick our favorite canon and accept that first, but also respect everyone else's right to the same.
On that note, I say Image of Marvel (or DC or anything else) any day. Leonard the Duck, you are a real boy to me.
over*
Well if they go down this canon in the mcu, then in infinity war, we can expect a cameo maybe? In the gotg ending, that might have been real and marvel might have not accepted and make a new canon for him.
That was Awesome!!!!
What they forgot to mention is Howard the Duck was also in Rocket Racoon's back story as one of the genetically modified pet's/guardians of the crazies or whatever those crazy people were called on that prison world Rocket came from
So the Marvel Howard the duck is a clone and the REAL Howard the duck is posing as Leonard the duck, the best part is that both Howard and Leonard are characters in The Big Bang Theory!!!!!!!
Adam Morrison Hmm. I never noticed that. Good catch!
0_o - Mindblowned!
My brain hurts. To much nerding out for one day.
Illuminati confirmed!
Wow!!! even The Big Bang Theory had something hidden.... I cannot trust anyone right now, LOL
Howard the duck is put back into the eye of the public in what, in my opinion, is the WORST use of a post-credits scene ever.
Camille Banez I thought it was pretty amazing. Plus, Thor 2 had the worst post-credits scene in my opinion.
***** Which one was that?
Frost Marvel Thor comes back to earth and kisses Jane. Then there's a shot of that one beast chasing some birds or something. It was lame.
Yeah, I remember that one now. It was really bad.
Fantastic story! Reminds me of the story of Arne Anka/Arne X, which I will now tell in the unlikely events that someone will notice it among the previous 1159 comments, and be a bit amused. “Arne Anka”, who could be called “Arnie Duck” in English, is a Swedish satirical comic character who looks very similar to Donald Duck (whose Swedish name is “Kalle Anka”). The Arne Anka comics mostly take place in a bar where Arne, an unsuccessful writer, and his friends have conversations about bachelor life and politics, lots of beer, and occasional interactions with women. Because of the way he looks, Disney accused Arne's creator Charlie Christensen of copyright infringement some time in the late 1980s, which prompted Arne to, in the story, be subjected to plastic surgery that made his beak made smaller, pointy, and no longer Donald Duck-like. He assumed the name of Arne X. But after some time, Christensen, never quite satisfied with the new look, got fed up with it and wanted to return to the original beak, so he had Arne get himself a fake Donald Duck-beak to put over his smaller beak. Now, he looked just like he used to, except that in occasional panels you could see a string around the back of his neck, holding his fake beak in place. As far as I know, Disney never challenged this, nor the character's name change back to Arne Anka. With time, as Arne became more popular and well-known, the glimpses of the string happened less often, until the character was back to his old self altogether. Arne Anka was cancelled in 1995 but resurrected in 2006 and exists to this day.
Nice! Love this type of content and I have just subbed :D Keep it up guys
***** Thanks! Glad you like it!
Of course it doesn't count, it's Image, Early Image and it's stupid. Does this Leonard Duck keep appearing in Image afterwards? Does this Clone have all of Howard's memories? Do you honestly think Marvel even considers any crossovers canon? Especially with Image? Seriously, it's a stupid little petty piece of bullcrap some butthurt artist did because he was being a bratty little kid about having to leave one of his toys behind. I don't think it's clever or funny, it's just more evidence that everyone who ever worked for Image when they first started was a selfish, self-serving, whinny little jerk who needed to get over a lot of things.
Steve Gerber was a writer not an artist.
Capn Cummings So? It's a writer who got selfish with a character and acted like a dick Image is probably not even using that stupid Leonard Duck anymore, so the whole practice was just pointless and incredibly petty. You don't count crossovers as canon. Period.
Capn Cummings He already explained everything in the video. The guy was a petty little shit who couldn't handle the fact his character couldn't come with him when he left. So he acted like a spoiled brat and basically wrote a little fanfiction into his dumb crossover so he could pretend he won. The uploader may have respect for this, I don't. I don't give credit to petulant man children who do petty shit like this just so they act like they've won.
This isn't canon, it's stupid and no one in their right mind should care. Early Image was crap and their shared universe went down the toilet. No one gives a shit. Howard isn't stuck in their craptacular universe, Marvel doesn't count this Crossover as canon and Gerber acted like a whinny two year old. End of story.
Now leave me alone and stop bothering me with your annoying half-hearted attempts to defend this dead writer's immaturity and the stupid little fanfic he inserted to make himself feel better.
1 - I feel like you need to calm down and realize that writers and artists connect with their creations on a very personal level, and if you actually did some research into this fiasco, you'd see that Gerber was not just some "butthurt/petty little shit". You seem to have some personal grudge against anyone who dared defy Marvel...and Image comics, particularly. Your hostility is unwarranted and misguided.
2 - A much more detailed back story of what went on with this situation, and many others...is covered in Marvel Comics: The Untold Story. Fact of the matter is...Marvel had some pretty shady, backstabbing business practices going on for a quite few decades, and Gerber and his Howard the Duck creation got caught up in that, along with a ton of other artists and writers...you know...the ones who created all those characters and stories you love so much.
Admittedly, these guys signed contracts, and they knew their creations would be swallowed up by their employers, but that doesn't make it right, nor does it make them lesser people for getting upset over it.
Until you've actually read and processed these things, maybe try to keep an open mind and be a little more objective when it comes to things you obviously know little about, as a whole.
For what it's worth, I agree that some of the people who used Image as a springboard, to break away from Marvel were a bit on the petty side, (I'm looking at you, Rob Liefield and Todd McFarlane), but I don't think anyone can deny the impact they made, as an independent comic startup...against the two giant, corporate monsters of comics, Marvel and DC.
And FYI, they're still around, bud....and they're not going anywhere.
Leonard the Duck may no longer exist, but plenty of other amazing Image characters do, and sell a lot better than a ton of Marvel titles, so put that in your angry pipe and smoke it.
That said, I suggest anyone wanting a more realistic, (and a little depressing), history of Marvel than what most of the televised documentaries have given us...go read Marvel Comics: The Untold Story.
FNGLHR It's doesn't matter if the writers consider it to be cannon. It's cannon if the majority audience wants it to be. Art portrays whatever the audience wants it to. E.G. Song lyrics may have been written to mean one thing, but If I get a different meaning from the song, then...well, that's the meaning. I'm a song writer and that's how it works
It would have been great if he had used it and Leonard the Duck became a top selling comic book, but he didn't. It doesn't seem like he really used it at all, and left it. It seems to me like it amounts to a kid in school writing insults to the principal on the bathroom wall.
Eric Fellner I too would have loved a Leonard The Duck mini or something... But much later , Gerber will write Howard in the MAX imprint , and that was a brilliant story.
That. Is. Awesome! Where is the movie version off this?!!
this was just genius man these videos keep on getting better and better they shoud make an animated movie adaptation of this story with the both perspectives of the characters kind of like the DC animated movies but this is the best one yet youer videos are getting better and better keep up the amazing work! :D
Tay Boy Thank you so much! I love this story and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I was worried that I wasn't telling the story clearly. I desperately wanted to make sure everyone knew why they should love this tale as much as I do.
***** well congradulations because you did just that
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I understood it perfectly and the video is great
Tay Boy Huzzah!
BananaGaming12 yeah especially because I know nothing about howard the duck
That was absolutely brilliant.
WOW! That was an amazing plan! Nice video, you deserve way more views.
Also, what's up with that Duck disguised as Superman in 4:45 ?
4thwallcrysis Haha thanks! And I honestly have no idea. haha
***** 4thwallcrysis I saw that also and I had to pause the video just to laugh at it
Another great video and story, only thing is, where did the trivia go?
Thanks for watching! As for the Trivia Challenge, see this comment thread on this video!
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Maybe Marvel knew about it but it gave them opportunity.....Here is a scenario, It's the Secret invasion and "Howard The Duck" went to his girlfriend's house, but she sense's something awkward about him a few seconds later he turned out to be a skrull, then she runs to find help any kind of help but she runs into Doctor Strange walking out his Spectrum Sanctorium(is that what you call it?) and Doctor Strange See's the skrull so he is aware of The real Howard the Duck's disappearance and he opens up a portal and brings back the real Howard the Duck. That would be Awesome!!!
this was the sweetest Heist ever in comics
I never met Steve Gerber but his writing helped shape my mind when I read his stuff in Howard The Duck and in The Defenders . Even as a child I realized that Gerber was N O T your typical comic book author . He suffered greatly and for a long time before he finally died but still managed to write a Dr. Fate miniseries that set the tone for that character for at least 3 years , an eternity for the ever changing Dr, Fate .
this was really cool
TheSpartiatus Glad you liked it!
That was a COOL STORY! Very interesting!