How Do I Decline A Job I've Already Accepted?
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The caller is more concerned than he should be about declining an offer he's already accepted. Employers rescind offers without giving it a thought.
Employers do lots of things I wouldn't do. If you really believe this is ok, would you be willing to share your views in an interview with a prospective employer? (Rhetorical question, I already know the answer). Instead, how about finding a better employer.
I'm assuming it was an at will employer like 70% of the country. He can easily quit for no reason
@@robcd7112 how old and brainwashed do you have to be have been programmed with loyalty to corporations lol
"With regret, my circumstances have changed, and I am no longer able to accept your generous offer".
Thank you
This is perfect. Thank you!
This happened to me too. Company A offered me a job. Company B scheduled two interviews (for two different positions) with me after I accepted the offer from “A” but before I started working for them. I worked for “A” for about four months and it became clear to me it wasn’t a good fit for me. When “B” finally made me an offer I jumped on it. Almost four years later I’m still with “B” and happy I made the switch.
The experience taught me to keep your options open for the first few weeks after you start at a new company. It takes time to ramp up the job search process.
I took a job with his "company B" thinking that there would be so much opportunity for growth because they're a newer company and the money was better, and I was completely wrong!! The disorganization that Dave described was too much to try and deal with and I was miserable. Went to work for a "company A" nine months later and I've been so much happier! Even with much less pay.
Sometimes certain jobs have a higher “pay” of increased mental health👍
But if he goes with B and it doesn't work out, he has a higher salary to bargain with for a new job. I personally would go with B because I prefer a little chaos rather than structure that doesn't allow for innovation.
@@toohda I can definitely relate to that! The stress brought me to tears a few times a week. How miserable?!
@rich hahn
Finance folk tend to be highly organized. Chaos would be unbearable.
Same! In 2018 I went for company B (25k more per year). Hands down the worst job I've ever had. Horrible managament, no growth opportunity. I think the extra 25k per year was worth it but I'll never choose a job just for the $$$ again.
A disorganized hiring process is a massive red flag. Having been on both sides of it, I see how it can happen, but it’s a huge red flag. An effective startup should be able to move MORE quickly and decisively, not less.
How was it disorganized?
Because he didn't get a call back right away?
When they most likely interviewed more people than him.
I took a pay cut some years ago to work for a better company. It was one of the best decisions I made. It was a $13k pay cut. I learned and grew so much!!!
Thank you for this, I’m currently dealing with this at the moment
There are so many more factors to consider - for example how many hours of work are required at each company. Finance jobs can come with a lot of unpaid overtime.
Shows like this remind you of why Dave is the Top Dog. Ken gave one answer initially then pivoted when Dave brought up key points.
Shows no one has a backbone.
IKR? And Ken is supposed to be the “career expert”.
100%
Dave is a sociopath bully look up employee reviews for Ramsey solutions and youll understand
I just declined a job I thought I wanted. They flat out refused to answer questions I had, sending me to the internet to query further. What I discovered made me not want to work for that company.
Companies (HR) are used to this, esp. right now with unemployment so low. I would'nt lose sleep over telling the other company you are rejecting their job offer. I talk to the HR lady at our company, and she said she gets people that accept job offers, than don't even show up to their first day of job, so giving them any notice, even by email, they will be happy with. It's a job/corporation, it's not like dumping your girlfriend/wife out of the blue.
I can tell you this, I had a job with a global construction products manufacturer until they had a merger and laid me off after 12 years. They were a VERY well organized, highly competent, process oriented, exacting company. There were very few unknowns, always a procedure for every situation, and I knew what was expected of me. Today, I work in same industry, similar jobs, same/similar customers, but with a small and unorganized company. I make $40K more than the first job. At a $40K pay disparity, if I had the opportunity to go back to my first job, I would not go back. If the pay differential was only $15K? I'd go back in a heartbeat.
I personally thrive better at smaller companies BUT I hope he’s prepared to do more work than what he may be expecting. I wear many more hats at my smaller office than I ever did at the larger companies.
How about negotiating salary with Company A based on a higher paying offer? Can't even believe Ken Coleman didn't bring this up!
He hasn't done a job interview in a long time; he's rusted.
RE-negotiate
Ramsey solutions is a joke you should look up their company reviews
“For $15K I’m not doing it”…well I guess it depends if it’s 50K to 65K or 185 to 200…
Finally someone said it! In Spain we don’t earn such huge amounts (100k and so on…) so for me, hearing the gap difference of 15k is definitely a lot and something to consider!!
Didn't watch the vid but if companies can rescind offers then certainly you can change your mind after you have accepted the position.
Basically, you have to ask yourself, if both offers were equal in salary / benefits, which one would I choose. If you decide to go with Company B, be honest and upfront with Co A and let them know sooner rather than later.
Most companies are disorganized. When I decided to retire I pushed management to get someone to replace me and give us several weeks together to make the hand off. I did this because I cared for and respected my teammates and didn't want them to suffer. If I had been going to another job, there might not have been enough time to bring a new guy/gal up to speed.
He just didn’t want to admit it was the 15 k only.
Take the one that's better for you. They both have a hiring pool of good candidates so there's definitely a backup. I accepted an offer at a company several years back. Got a better offer from my current company that I'm working for. Had to tell the first one no. Worked out well.
Almost 1000k extra a month would have me.
Take the offer from company B to company A and see if they will match it...if they do company A..if not go B. It's a no brainer.
I went from large to startup. BEST decision I ever made.
Money wears off quick especially if the company isn’t stable and doesn’t have a good culture and/or business model. Constant layoffs and leadership turnovers are major red flags.
Great great discussion! I have the same dilemma on a much smaller scale. So I'm going to rescind my acceptance of the lower paying job. I wanted to stick to my word but...
Dave, you are such a good shepherd. You always give sound real advice. Thank you.
I love how these guys played the tape through. Great video!
If I used to live in Grand Rapids and if this was with Spectrum Health, don’t go work there.
I am in the same position right now.
The salary is basically the same
However, company B comes with more benefits and seems that it's doesn't feel like a corporation in a good way.
1- more breaks (and kinda can have your own break whenever you want as long there is nothing that has to be done)
2- less work
3- a salary increase every 6 months or so
4- I work in chat support, however company A requires making some calls (and I hate making calls)
Also company A seems more Demanding it's serious, however company B is for an entertainment service app and does not seem to be demanding.
(don't forget that I can decline company A, but they would most likely put my name in their black list I won't be able to apply for them again)
I would say go with which you want most. I am in a similar siutation atm. I got two companies on my plate. Ones already given me an offer, but waiting to hear back form the other, but they are delayed in getting back to me. They are my prefered choice tho. So I;ve accepted the one now, but I think if I do get an offer from my dream one, I would defo go for that one.
Also to consider is some of the smaller things like how long of a lunch do you get, what is the start and stop time, does the company actually give breaks, etc… If they offer benefits, are those benefits through a good company or not.
When a company offers 120k, lunch break isn’t really a concern
@@Jajaky it is if you’re already almost making that.
@@Jajaky my point was that every detail matters no matter the pay.
@@Jajaky making $120k means you don't get a lunch?
And hopefully it’s remote so lunch doesn’t even matter, eat whenever you want
Was in the middle of interviews at Carvana when the layoffs happened. They still had other recruiters reach out to continue the process.
Nothing ethical about it. Pick the one you enjoy doing. And factor in the pay and benefits.
I liked how they worked through this with him.
Crazy but I am going through the same predicament. Thank you
First guy: gives long thought out response and good advice.
Dave: how much money is it
Lol
That’s what I wanted to know.
Money isn't everything
Im in the exact same scenario and i guess dave made a point about established vs startup culture
Walked away from company a to get better pay from company b. Not happy and seriously contemplating going back and taking a pay cut and losing out on better benefits.
Why does a senior finance guy have to call into a show for advice? 😂 $15k is $900 a month after taxes difference. Not that big of a deal. Take the easier, less stressful job (whichever one it is).
Depends on what your goals are. Sometimes, the more difficult job leads to more opportunities, money, and an easier go of it down the road.
$900 can make a LOT of difference!
900 a month may be small potatoes in california but here in illinois it buys a lot. Keep heading south an it buys a lot more.
If that's what you really think then let me send you my address so you can send me $900 every month. It's no big deal, right?
@@LG123ABC $6200 net for a lob you like vs $7100 a month for a job you dislike. Yes, that is no big difference.
Ethical and fantastic advice.
Sounds like a great position. Go back to A, and let them know that he received an offer from B, ask them if they can match it, go with A.
I work in the defense industry and signed an offer a few days ago. I just received another offer with another company for $15,000 more . And a closer drive . I’m torn because both will be amazing for me . Only difference is the salary , distance and minor company benefits i guess
Also what’s the ceiling for each role? If option A starts at 110k but has the potential for 140k and option b starts at 125k but caps at 130k that’s something to consider
You should look at the here and now, not at what rises you might get. I always assume I'll never get a rise.
@@tancreddehauteville764 Very true. Many companies dangle “raises and bonuses” over you just to milk you. Before you know it, you’re left high and dry.
@@tancreddehauteville764 You should always be thinking both short term and long term. Only looking at one is a mistake.
@@jrwntctv8091 raises aren't guaranteed. Trust no company
New game: take a shot every time this guy says "uuuuhhhh".
I'd try to tread water with A and delay things to see how long I can hang onto the offer just in case.
You can decline. Its at will employment. Can leave or get fired anytime. You don’t want to waste your time at a job you don’t really want. Does your employer no good if you don’t wanna be there anyways.
"I'm a Christian." Usually what someone says before they throw someone under the bus. That said, I agree with Dave's and Ken's advice.
Also, why did the previous person quit?
What’s there to feel bad about? Take the best offer and keep it moving. Company A has back up plans and will be just fine
I was waiting for them to mention salary. $110k vs $125k is definitely worth making culture an important part. $45k vs $60k would have been a different discussion
This is my situation right now I accepted company b and start on August 1st but I just got an offer letter from company b which is the job I really wanted. I'm calling company a on Monday and explaining how all this came about happening.
How did it go?
@@Ben-gg3dp I ended up going with company b which is the job I really wanted. It's been a year already? Crazy how fast time goes by. 🙂
@fabbz94 nice! Yeah, I accepted a job at a new company. Told my management today. They immediately said - "Give us 24 hours before you actually hand us that resignation letter. We hear you, and we'll see what we can make happen." I actually live the company I'm with, I just can't get "that" job yet. So I shopped around. Now I'm sitting here having signed another offer, but genuinely curious if the counter is going to be something worth staying for. Stressful af, but I guess there's worse problems to have. Haha glad to hear it worked out at least a year later!
*love the company
@@Ben-gg3dpexactly in this situation atm. How did it end?
I think that your caller needed to totally disregard the salary difference, and focus only on the work environment. I’m retired now, but 20+ years ago I went from an international corp S&P 500 company to a privately held business. I lasted less than two years. The disfunction in leadership was unbearable to me. I went back to a corporate environment to finish my career.
Take the best offer, it’s not a moral question.
If A was competent they'd wait until you begin working before rejecting the other candidates
I know some people changed job from great resignation, didn’t hear any complaint about it, all I hear is they liked their job now way better so not sure where they get the regret thing from
Look for company C… if a company is disorganised it’s not worth your time.
I will tell you, the job I made the most money at is where I was most unhappy. Sometimes, you can take a lower pay and be happier. Go with the work you want and take the pay you get.
30% are regretting means 70% are not regretting. Seems that making a move is better based on this stat
A lot of times we tend to remember the good things from the past and forget the bad that drove us to leave.
Hopefully A would offer the same!
Take the higher offer and see if the other company will match it or at least split the difference.
I would go with company A because they seem more organized. Do not work in a disorganized place just for 15k more. Not worth it, imo at least.
Already accepted then Just renegade. HR won’t care but won’t employ you again
His take home after taxes would be around 10k more per year. So is not that much of a difference.
Never asked about benefits or retirement plans
The umm game
Also what are the difference and cost of the benefits 🤔
I love money and I chased more money but recently I declined an offer that was 10k more without any problem. 10k or 15k is really not much per paycheck. If we are talking 30% or more then that's more meaningful
I told an employer, I was leaving.
They said: If it is about money, we can give you 50% more.
Not about money
A good problem to have 😃
The grass isn’t always greener on the other side
What no, "better than I deserve". I am shocked!
I wish I had watched this going from a SP500 company to a start up! OMFG I hate start ups now! You really need to have the energy to burn with a start up!
How do I get advice from them ?
You call them when they're live
"15k is not worth it" THAT IS LITTLELY SOME PEOPLE YEARLY EARINGS IN AMERICA
So?
The word is spelled "literally".
@@sblijheid 🤓
I think if he is not comfortable in company A he has to give it try with calculated risk.
Follow your passion take a risk and see it….
He wanted 15k more and that's why he called, to withdraw from 1st offer. Not because he was unsure which one to take 😂😂😂
News flash. These companies don’t care about you. Will replace or lay you off in a heartbeat. Easy decision for me.
Who cares people call Dave Ramsey for the craziest stuff who cares what company you go work for your name ain't on the door
Preacher from Chicago goes and meets a pulpit committee . He goes home and tells wife it’s in Hawaii will make double pay . She says what should we do ? He says go to living room and pray . She says what are hon gong to do? I’m going upstairs to pack.
Tell them sorry another offer came up..(more money..)..( if they ask)
Easy. Just say you’ve changed your mind. Companies rescind job offers all the time. But, be prepared to never be able to work there in the future.
M I the only one that lost as to which job was a and b a few minutes in 😅
Just be professional about it and let them know ASAP. If someone offers me a lot more money the day after I accept a previous offer, I'm taking it all other things being the same. You start talking $10's of thousands of dollars - it can be life-changing.
Nice
I would take company’s B Offer and ask company A if they can match company’s B Offer. If not take option B if you are not happy with company stay at company B get some more experience and apply somewhere else.
And up date your liknd profile and create and post one heck of a resume on liknd.
If youre going to go b, may be worth saying to A that they offered more and see if they can match it or maybe even increase just a little. May get the best of both worlds.
He already accepted the offer, it shows his lack of morals and loyalty. They are always gonna keep that in their minds as future opportunities arise at company A. I’d want to get that guy out of my organization.
Honestly usually I say take company b with the better offer but it seem really disorganized the hiring manager just got fired it seem chaotic. Stick with company a
Go for the money, F all else. You don't owe anybody anything and nobody owes you.
This is where I disagree with many people. I would always the money 💰.
Sometimes, more money is more stress. He should stick to the one that will look better on his resumé if he wants to move on.
Company b is not a mess because someone left.
Again, did you listen to the call?
I did this to sygma.
Umm. Umm. Ummmm
15k more that’s nothing especially in a recession and inflation it’s Pennie’s
Flip a coin , it will not give you the answer but it gives insight to what you were hoping for.
15K is a huge difference, what are you talking about? lol
Luxury problems
Go with established company
He’s making this too difficult. Pick the one where you think has the most upside. Which one has a culture that you fit with? I want to make lots of money but I won’t sacrifice my mental health for an extra dollar although both seem to make a decent amount. Most importantly go ask God which one, you said you’re a Christian so let God order your steps.
Ugg, this just happened in my office for a key role and the downstream effects have been terrible. Please don't abandon a job that you have already accepted unless the reason is extremely compelling!
This is actually more of a legal question than a financial question. I would want to double check that he did not sign any documents and the language involved because depending on the type of hiring contract involved he could be legally liable to the 1st company. If it's just a phone call or email that said he accepts the job offer he could still be liable legally BUT definitely if he signed anything. I'm not sure why he called them for this type of advice (smh). This is a legal shield question lol. Sure the fist company could not really do anything but still.... But it's not personal; they do sound like they are a hot mess.
Unless you are a top-level executive a company is not going to waste time suing to try to get you to work there because you're going to be miserable working there because you don't want to be there they're not going to like you working there because you don't want to work there and you're not going to be a good job and the company is not going to sue you for money because the amount of money they can get out of a person because nothing compared to how much they make in sales everyday
Just take A not B
15k is a lot of money to some ppl