DJI asks for YOUR HELP to STOP BAN!
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Hey everyone! In recent times, we have all heard a lot about this or that DJI ban and proposals to sanction the Chinese drone manufacturer in the United States. Today, Sean is discussing the current proposals in light of the DJI social media posts where they address the likelihood of a ban coming into effect.
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Thanks Sean, Great Stream, wow, amazing all the changes in the hobby since I started 4 years ago....May eventually result in some turbulence in the supply chain also. Cheers!
Seems a very sad situation...... Another letter written on the wall.....
The future seems bleak
Hey Jason! It seems a little bleaker over that side of the pond, but it will certainly be a different hobby in a few years.
Thank you very much for this Sean.
It seems that too many people who haven't a clue about what they're talking about are making more rules to govern the things they know nothing about.
I vote we create a policy to prevent people making rules and laws about things they have no understanding about.
Will they also filter down to mobile phones in the USA.
Also EV cars imported which stores data ?
This is really primarily about data security concerns in the US, though one cannot help feeling that general trade war issues lurk in the background - or at the least are not displeased by it. However, if one takes a wider view, it is generally open season on drone bashing by governments around the world. Yes, the reason behind this appears different but the common feature to all this heavy handed regulation is - it's about drones. How did they get to be so unpopular?
A more local concern is that where the US leads the UK tends to follow, or at least mirror.
I agree. Drone bashing is in open season worldwide at the moment. Hope you are well.
@@Geeksvana I am, thank you. However, and some might see this as in very bad taste and the scale is of course no comparison whatsoever, the current time waiting for the latest CAA tablets of stone feels a bit like what I read people said in summer 1914. That is to say, it seems quiet, but it also feels that something is building - and no-one can do anything to stop it. But - that is absolutely where the comparison ends.
DATA SECURITY ISSUES ACROSS THE FREE WESTERN WORLD
Skydio winning the politician lobbying ... dji fault for not agreeing with lobbyist tactics
I think it's American government wanting there drones as why hasnt England or most of world even mentioned it and no bans, I'll only worry if/when it happens as I do believe if it was true they was collecting data everything we have just about is from China which says if drones are passing info so are all othrr gadgets as we all know you talk about anything Infront of phones TVs, anything with WiFi/Bluetooth it soon appears on your phone thats fact. I honestly believe it's the government in America wanting there way as no 1 can prove to anyone they're passing data it's just another THE GOVERMENT DONT LIE then boom America has there own drones. Very very LAIT if it was true as they could've stopped it before it started but no they'll let themselves be flooded 1st then start scaremongering imo. He said it no actual evidence at all it's all about trade as what does the world revolve around £££££ and lies ✌️
This bill is dumb as shit to begin with, total misinformation and lack of even the most BASIC understanding. Even so, assuming they WERE correct, it's literally pointless and won't change anything. Literally EVERYONE who owns these things will continue to fly them anyways, whether through through ignorance of the bill even existing, or because nobody actually gives a shit about it. The bill serves no purpose and fixes nothing.
yeah if you own one, you can keep flying it. However what about new drones, it would make it more of a pain in the ass to buy one
She’s bribed buy American drone companies
That is what most of republicans and Congress has been for decades. Pointless laws and regulations.
@@rubengarciajr7560 not in europe :)
We as citizens must keep contacting and pushing our reps in government to fight for us. I called my congressional rep today I urge everyone else to do the same
Like they can't do a lookdown from a satellite 📡
Congress fantasy that China is some superpower. It’s not. The USA needs an enemy because it’s running out of enemy.
Or buy the buildings opposite government ones and spy on them from across the street?
Or Facebook
PI rep said he doubts this will go thru. highly doubt it will pass...We have Cojito who has an identical drone to the Air 3 and Mini series.
If they could ban Huawei, zte, and tiktok then banning DJI shouldn't be a problem.
Puzzled why government wheeling and dealing has anything to do with consumer products. 😂
Lobbyists from competing companies finding it cheaper to pay off politicians to ban vs research and development to make a better product
DJI don't just make drones. Does the Osmo Pocket 3 present a security risk ? DJI gimbals ? now it has launched a large power bank ? and of course the Hasselblad brand and superb cameras they make ? What if DJI made a car ?
They do have a car they are partnering in using their avoidance tech. For this legislation, it will only be products needing FCC approval.
@@Geeksvana Flying car next ? 😆
Drones gather vast amounts of data, far more than handheld selfies are likely to…not a like for like comparison
@@stevetrummfilmproductions9835 Have you seen the amount of data collected whilst taking a photo with any modern smartphone?
Add in to that the data cloud storage services are gathering from your uploads. Using your photo's and embedded data to train their AI?
@@stevetrummfilmproductions9835stop talking bullshit
Will this include the dji transmission system? Wireless video tx for video production?
Probably. I don't know personally but if you look at the back of the transmitters/equipment and you see the FCC stamp, then I am pretty sure it will affect that. This is a ban that is targeting their FCC licenses 🤔
Well back to good old analog 😂glad I didn’t invest in this system! I was just about to go digital and was thinking Dji or Walksnail but I’m gonna wait and see how this plays out 😢
A quote out of the New York Times **
**"Congress is weighing legislation that could kill much of DJI’s business in the United States by putting it on a Federal Communications Commission roster blocking it from running on the country’s communications infrastructure.If passed and signed into law, the legislation would effectively ban any new models of DJI drones from that point on. It would not apply to drones already in use."- end Quote....
Guess we will see
Still 🐃💩
I love my DJI drone. But I had to install the DJI Fly app onto my Android phone via an untrusted APT as Google have removed it from the Play store. There is _something_ up with that and I don't think it's just US protectionism! I was caught out by this as none of my pre-purchase research had turned this problem up.
Apple do support the app in the apple app store (last time I checked) but they also seem very keen to snuggle up to the Chinese "market"... Much more so than many firms operating out of western democracies.
The app is a significant issue. There are explanations for it surrounding Google certification but I also wonder if the Entity List restrictions would actually exclude DJI from using the US based technology platform.
@@Geeksvana I agree it _could exclude_ in future but that is not the cause of the current exclusion. Do we know what those current reasons are?
recall stumbelling onto that when i bought my mini 2.. the app on the google play store wasnt able to connect.. it wasnt the genuine app for the mini 2.. spendt half a day trying to figure out wtf.. then i went to their website and found the real app..
@@Geeksvana Couldn't DJI make all drones to be completely air gaped from the net, which would force the use of old school manual firmware updates via SD cards/usb devices?
At least that would go a long way toward a transparent and positive response case by DJI for security risk free operation.
Or is there more to the this, for example with the drones satellite chip data flow that I am not understanding?
Great video 👍
"hovering around congress" like how you slipped that one in early :)
I just a DJI mini 3 through Best Buy! Should I just cancel it??
I just bought an Air 3 upgrading from the OG mini.. I’d say sign the petition and make your voice heard. There really isn’t any good alternatives to DJI drones. A straight up ban is going to destroy the whole industry. Nothing quite as good as DJI..
It’s can’t be the imagery captured that they’re worried about, it must be the data collected, I.e. wi-fi data over flown areas for example. But if that’s the case what about DJI pocket and action cameras, they’re also capable of collecting similar data and then transmitting encoded data back via the app.
I think it’s more likely a Chinese company is a lot more advanced than any US company in this area and it doesn’t sit well.
This is such a frustrating situation. I’m in the US. I just bought two DJI drones, a Mini 4 Pro and an Avata 2 kit with the goggles and motion controller. Both ones with the two year protection plan!
I hope the legislation gets modified so that legacy customers like me aren’t so royally shafted like it’s beginning to look like.
If that legislation becomes law, I hope it is challenged in court. Require me to ensure no Opt-In is happening. Ask for some kind of software patch to be installed to block any transmission of data to China. Anything, please! But don’t just brick my drones….it’s so unfair. Just when I was truly beginning to enjoy the joy of flight, purely for the sake of being up in the air without a worry of crashing. The videos are so beautiful of the PARK that I fly in. Or the ocean vistas that I enjoy. It’s just recreational.
Why can’t our law makers think about typical consumers instead of creating draconian sweeping edicts that prohibit us from using our property? It’s a draconian move, if you ask me. And I think it’s un-American. The consumer drone by DJI doesn’t threaten national security. There are so many reasonable things that could be done instead of the road that they are choosing to take…
It may create a hole in the market for 12 to 18 months but long term it's better to have multiple companies in any market and at the moment DJI rules the drone market. They have such a dominant position it's hard to see a competent competitor getting off the ground. This may enable someone to invest and open competition. Having competition in the market will benefit uses long term.
It would take any US company 10 years to catch up to the state of DJI tech.
@@AerRider No, Not with available market share to grab it wouldn't. It would stimulate investment and the gap would close in 18 months tops. Just the economic facts. This is probably also the real reason for the push for a ban. All the tech is available and little is locked behind IP. It's just DJI dominant procession that dissuades the kind of capital push that is required.
@@TooBarFooif you are willing to pay $9,000 for a drone that is inferior to the phantom 3.
@@paulroyle-grimes8279 Why would that be the case? Have a look at the FPV, racing and DIY drone spaces. These are not dominated by DJI because DJI is expensive and and performance is low. The fundamentals for a multi polar drome market exist. I have nothing against DJI. I own a few of their products and have since the phantom 2. The market will suffer but 18 months but will be better for more competition long term.
I use dji products for work purposes and very lucky i don't live in US 😂
Want to adopt a lowly US drone pilot? I want out of this zoo
The issue is if America sneezes the UK catch’s a cold ! If the US do this others will follow, not based on fact but based on fear factor of not following a world super power.
I've spent over $6000 on DJI Drones, in the last 6 months. The rest of my family's savings. My wife & I are studying for our part 107 Comercial drone licenses. We were planning on starting, a drone photography and general photography business. This ban in it's current form, would financially cripple my family.
😂😂😂😂 Burger King are recruiting and the 107 is NOT required 😂😂😂
even " IF " they pass that law , ( which I dont think they will ) , you have years to make money with the equipment you bought before the Jack Boot of Tyranny comes down on our necks .
Same here studying for 107. Just bought an Air 3 upgrading from my original Mavic mini.. the news that it might be banned really struck down some of motivation I already barely had. I would say don’t let it deter you and keep studying. I’m still doing the same. Make sure to sign the petition and share it to as many as you can!
Is this just for drones or gimbals too..?
Anything requiring an FCC approval. So a transmission system. The current gimbals do need one as they connect to various things.
I would expect DJI to release revised models. Also, using a gimbal without FCC approval is unlikely to cause any enforcement action.
My Anafi just quadrupled in value!
Cheers guys
but it sucks in comparison , how does that help you ?
@@BentRimProductions I use Autel and parrot so it helps me in that a dji ban would mean there is alot more work out there. I only mention the Anafi as I thought it was no longer useful, however under legacy it's resell would go up.
I just ordered one through Best Buy. Should I just cancel it??
I wouldnt , get one now while they are cheap and available , it will be years before the Jack Boot comes down on our necks
I just bought an air 3 and days after found out DJI might get banned. I would still keep it. There’s really no good alternatives to DJI.
The permissions required for the DJI app on the phone are considerable and more than a little intrusive tho. I am by no means saying they are alone in those permissions (google, siri etc etc) but they are intrusive for what i would think a drone company would really need. Why do they need to engage camera with no notification? Make calls with no notification? Record voice with no notification etc etc. As i say they are by no means the only ones but it is still rather concerning when you drill down into the level of permissions. Of course a lot of this is negated by using their own controller and not having the app on your phone. But.........
If trying to ban dji it's because of some reason maybe another drone compony trying muscle in on market
what a stupid policy made by stupid politicians. why r we Americans not riled up wtf
DJI was founded by a hongkong citizen at the time under british rule. China only recently has taken HK. DJI remains transparent and has welcomed audits to prove there are no secret backdoors or vuneralbilities.
But those stupid USA politicians dont care, they dont want China to be ahead and are determined to kill a leading brand from usage.
This is scary as where America leads Britain and Europe like sheep follow.
My question is "where are the alternatives?" If your going to kill a brand from being used, flown what are you going to offer the public for a suitable alternative.?
I have 3 DJI drones , so is the government going to offer an exchange ? If so, what brand is out now that is equal too or greater than DJI technically.? most alternatives are all chinese and the one american brand i can think of they still buy in chinese hardware and build the drone in the states but its still chinese tech..
So whats the plan here?
Hong Kong has been part of China for 27 years, hardly recent. 😉
Build FPV's ? 🥸🤔 Really gov's are doing a bad job. People who want to fly will fly. And an FPV is somethig gov's would like to keep away as those could be flown anywhere anytime and in any way. And people can use custom frequencies and protocols with encryption. And believe me those dji drones will be something not as worrying as what people are going to build by themselves. Today a single person can design , program and build anything. Why then block people from a safe vendor like DJI and have something unpredictable flying above your heads ?
DJI has CCP board members as mandated by chinese law, in addition the CCP has whatever access they request.
@@Guide504 this is true but if your platform is only recording what any other drone platform records then whats the issue here. People are missing the point, the CCP government has far more advanced satalites and drones than the average drone offered to you and I.
If china wants to see whats on a map they have plenty of ways to obtain that without accessing someones random drone data. Plus nobody as yet has proven any backdoors or invasive code in DJIs software.
If they make it I can’t use my DJI stuff they better buy it back from me.
To an outsider it's mind boggling they can ban something that's currently legal due to fears.
Do they not fear everyone driving a classic car to be near death if they drive the vehicles? Ban all classic cars because they do not meet current safety regulations?
Good luck
This will affect all DJI tech that has wifi connections. The Camera's , camera gimbels, wireless microphones and will also effect non DJI wireless devices including phones, cameras even things like earbuds. If a device requires FCC approval to operate it will become useless if this passes. You all need TO FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT and get this ridiculous protectionism bill kicked out. The head of this bills origin is directly connected to an American drone company, even though they do not sell consumer drones or even have tech close to what DJI has.
I wish you would have linked the DJI post so we could contact our representatives easily.
lol 😂 that’s not gonna do no good , they’ll laugh you to scorn !
@@ronniequalls7217not sure what you think is so funny. You have to contact your representative or they will never know how many people give a crap about this legislation.
Maybe DJI just needs to slip more money in the politician pockets than the American drone manufacturers have
Dude it ain’t about that , you could get this whole country messed over behind a hobby !!! Smh 🤦♂️
It will also affect other Chinese drones like Autel. It's just a small step and politicians will make decisions based on ignorance
I lost my M2P a week ago and was just considering to upgrade to the M3P with RC Pro (Fly More Kit), since I have signal strength issues where I have to fly. That's quite an investment, which is now very risky! *What if the Luddites and technical ignoramuses win?* The value of the drones will drop faster than you can hit the RTH button. Nobody in the US would be willing to buy that drone from me! This is suddenly a real consideration!
Also... National Security threat my afterburner! *Since WHEN can an immediate threat to the US be prevented by raising tariffs over a few years?!*
We were told it was foreigners trying to take our freedom when in reality it's our own government
If we have learned anything about the US government and this current administration or is that they don't require any evidence pr cause to make decisions or policy that effects the law abiding citizen.
Maybe dont FORCE us to have "ID" and i'd help.
What infra structure? Electric cable? Hospital? Road? Electric plant? Aren’t all of these are on public domain? It is just an excuse to oppress corporations that do better than the US’s.
It’s more like Congress needing something to do when it barely function as it is.
I will be reaching out to my politicritter this weekend if they ground my drone they owe me$1895 as a starving artist that's a large chunk to eat
I thought we lived in a democracy? how come a few politicians can pass laws that the majority of Americans r agains?
Thanks for your message DJI, your feedback is really important, and i'll make sure to pass your message to the correct political department.
They're not telling us something.
Happy for the whole country to be answerable to china for electric car batteries etc but 9/11 dictates someone might be looking over the fence and we cannot have that.
What about Foxconn building apple devices they gonna move manufacturing to the US
I wonder how that effects fpv drones with just the camera?
The O3 Air units etc have FCC approvals, so they would be impacted too in the U.S.
They will have to get USA companies to put the drones together and sell them under licence
Gave up with my DJI last year, mainly due to numerous idiot auditors (as opposed to sensible auditors) who make us feel like targets of suspicion, uncomfortable and not wanted. Increasing restrictions made to make it difficult have pssed me off, so I give up. Spend my time on E bike instead. But of course idiots will eventually cause a ban on ebikes ? stealing mobile phones and hand bags ? running over people on the pavement, nothing is safe from abusers and criminals.
I've owned 4 DJI drones, and bought my first one in Shanghai in 2017! Despite this I don't think that a DJI ban is necessarily wrong, there are real national security concerns. In China there is no distinction between commercial and military, everything is dual use.
The CCP has ultimate control over everything in China, including DJI, and could use this against its enemies, which it considers us to be.
They can ban something else….frig em
I feel DJI should come up with restitution for drones bought through them. I’ve got a 1000 dollar paperweight now.
meh its all show they dont want to open that big can of worms..
If DJI was smart they would move to Singapore or or or just make a shell company rename it and poof good. They can do it. Just leave DJI in place and sue the shell company for copying DJI to make it look legit
Yeah, a new startup and DJI lose which is a huge advert for the new company where they claim their tech is better than DJI and that's why DJI lost.
@@WhiteDieselShed Exactly!
Bad news is that considering the TikTok ban, I think DJI ban will pass as well.
With the RID, it will now become dangerous to fly your drown with this anti DJI around the USA.
TO DJI:
IF YOU WANT OUR HELP THEN RELEASE A 1S DIGITAL VTX FOR MICROS
The 250g rule isn't the issue. It's djis transmission systems.
That would be amazing, though. I just got into hdzero because my dhi micros are just too heavy..
@@willpowerfpv3246 It wasn't in reference to the 250g rule. I just want awesome quality range, penetration, and image quality for a micro. I can't really justify buying a whole new VRX+digital VTX and camera just for a micro, but if I could justify that, I would go with Walksnail.
I know many people ask for certain features to be added to their DJI products in the future but DJI has always ignored them... Example HDMI input on their goggles... And now they asked us for something....
Went thru all this a few years back(2021) when the U.S. government attacked vaping products as 'marketed toward teens" Former smokers found it harder and harder to get vape products but yet cigarettes and other tobacco products were readily available. This government needs to stop its micromanagement of things and stop he hypocrisy that they are looking out for U.S.citizens wellbeing.
Nope bribes bribes bribes 11:28
Move DJI to Taiwan
Until Taiwan gets reunifued by force from china. The risk is real
No thank you dji.
DJI will be very happy with every second of your ‘report’. I hope you love your new products.
Perhaps voicing an opinion or joining the conversation is a little too complex for you? My report is my own based on my findings. I can assure you that based on previous content, we are not on DJIs list of pets.
DJI present no more security risk than the mobile phone you have in your pocket, or your iPad/tablet PC TV etc, it’s a fact that DJI are best at producing what ever it makes as the company has no real competition , and will remain the largest supplier, until things ever change with real competitors , many have tried many have failed.
I fully agree that DJI shouldn’t be collecting all flight information as this can be stored permanently locally , on the drone for any warranty claims.
The world is full of Chinese products and parts so are we going to ban them also, it’s not that the tech can’t be tested there’s millions of them sat on shelf’s
For what is worth I don’t think a ban will be coming for hobbyists, The Saga no doubt will continue?
@@Geeksvana nicely put , you can see how there are cowards posting rediculas statements to fuel paranoid delusions that every chinese company is spying on us.DJI was founded in hongkong under british rule at the time they have led the way for decades before china took it over.
Maybe DJI could setup an american or British branch but it would need to be open to government audit
Nothing quite like American xenophobia.
Hopefully this doesn't kill drone flying as a hobby in the US.
Help the CCP? Errrr, no thanks (and yes I fly DJI…but will now be buying non DJI) and I can tell you that we all should
They are all made in China so useless and illogical thinking.
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You keep asking what will yhe government do .
The government does what you tell them .
You are crazy chasing your shadow .
If you believe 'the government does what you tell them' anymore, then you are the one chasing shadows.
Haha not in the USA and that has been show to be a fact.
Your government will do what the people with money tell them to do. Same the world over because money talks.. If those with money cannot do what they want they will take their money elsewhere.
Huge financial incentives for those in certain positions to make the "right" choice. The right choice is decided by those with money and more so with those with money at risk.
Push comes to shove, put a "Made in the USA" sticker on your drone and move on with life. Seriously though, this is just Tik Tok 2.0. DJI will just create a separate company based in the USA.
That won't work in this instance. But hopefully they find a way to solve it
I'm sure you could probably just get one ordered from China or something if they get banned in the US. They can't shut them off remotely, so I don't see why you can't still continue as normal, just a bit more annoying obtaining them.
The controllers come with the app built in, or you can just download 3rd party APK if using your phone.
Then there's also the second hand and old stock and current inventory. You'll still be able to get and use them, it'll just be a bit annoying getting newly released models.
Plus, if they are technically "banned" in the US, they would no longer have to limit signal frequency and strength to US standards. Might even be a good thing, unless they get locked to CE mode. Then they wouldn't even be worth owning.
They already have with Anzu Robotics
Unpopular opinion but im not actually too fussed if DJI are banned tbh.
ban them, you guys can't even stick to CAA rules.
Anzu Robotics has the workaround. Best solution so far.
You all are not addressing restitution for drones bought before this shit happened.
Solve this.... Vote blue.