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Thanks for the f4 vs tomcat match. I'm going to count that last kill as yours since you clearly could have got him with gun pods. It's also crazy to think Iran has tomcats and phantoms in its fleet that they still use. Thanks again!
F-14A even let alone the F-14 B/D was superior to the F-4 in every way. It could out climb, out accelerate and out turn the Phantom. This was to the point where Navy test shows F-14 could go from fully defensive to fully offensive in just 15 seconds
What’s very interesting is how F-4 crews often beat F-14 crews in mock dogfights. Granted it was early on, but the F-14 crews were still very well trained. The F-4 is no slouch when it’s in good hands.
It's interesting, you always think of the F-4 as the one with monster power, but it actually had considerably less thrust than the F-14. However, it was also nearly 10 Tonnes lighter, which makes a massive difference.
From my understanding, the TF30 on the Tomcat was not very efficient or particularly powerful at low speeds. Get up past Mach 1, and the Tomcat's engines get a lot better, but the Phantom is going to have more grunt than the tomcat at low speeds. Their actual Thrust/weight ratios are apparently very similar, prior to the engine upgrades the Tomcat got for the B model. My understanding, however, could be flawed.
@@Skyfighter64 at least from my understanding the static sea-level thrust of the Tomcat was still a good chunk higher than the Phantom's. But it is also true that the TF-30's only really kicked in properly at higher speeds as you said. And so perhaps the F-4 has more subsonic grunt, at least when you factor in the weight difference. But then the Tomcat comes in at higher speeds. Either way I do believe you're correct in saying that the TWR is relatively similar in this sort of scenario.
@@__-fm5qv The Tomcat's biggest advantage over the F-4 is the advancements made in aerodynamic design, specifically, the high mounted wings, and the flat aft fuselage creates a much larger lifting area, lowering the wing loading, but also the high mounted wings flush with the top of the fuselage meant a vastly reduced drag profile.
F-14A even let alone the F-14 B/D was superior to the F-4 in every way. It could out climb, out accelerate and out turn the Phantom. This was to the point where Navy test shows F-14 could go from fully defensive to fully offensive in just 15 seconds
The Iranian Air Force flies both the F-4 and F-14, so they've conducted this exercise of these two jets versus each other many times I'm sure. I wonder how their F-4 pilots fared in those training exercises, probably not so good.
Honestly you've done so many dogfight matchups I can watch old vids and it seems new still, so thank you for all the unique content creation you've accomplished so far!
Anyone else getting the vibe he's flying this more because he's got insider info on the phantom getting released this year and is sooner than we all think? I am definetly subscribing to the year of the strike eagle narrative but we might just have some phantoms in our near future bois
The Phantom is doing a lot better than I thought it would. A testament to it's capabilities. Awesome vid! Would love to see you do a ground attack video with the Su-25. CAS, a strike mission, anything. Don't think I've seen you use the Frogfoot except in dogfights. Appreciate all your hard work!
RAF F-4s carried the SUU-23 20mm gun pod. They provided the USN F-14s adversary training in the run up to Desert Storm and gave a very good account of themselves.
The amount of hate towards the lack of a gun on the early F-4 was completely justified. If I won a dogfight, couldn't take a shot, and ended up defensive, I would be furious.
My father was an f4 pilot in Vietnam, he flew without & with the gun. I remember him saying when they got the pod they were all excited, saying finally etc, only to end up getting pissed off with it because it was jamming way too often due to the mount made for it, that got fixed, hopes went up only to be crashed again, due to this new mount leading the gun to become misaligned during flight, so for a few months they were fighting with a misaligned gun which would fire one way, only to end up firing a different way on the same flight. It drove them freaking insane. Eventually it all got squared away of course. He ended up finishing his career off flying the f15, which all the pilots were really hesitant about due to all the new fancy tech, but that hesitancy ran away after their first few flights 😂
Always been fascinated by the F4 phantom. It looks cool but seems to have the aerodynamics of a 70s muscle car, fast in a straight line but don't ask it to turn.
Tbf the pilot he was fighting wasn’t managing speed well and lost control of the Tomcat multiple times. If GS fought someone of equivalent or close to his skill level they wouldn’t wiped the floor with the F4b
It was actually extremely dangerous in the super-close formations the Blues fly. The reason they switched to A-4s after such a short time is because they crashed so many F-4s (and killed so many pilots) that the Navy couldn't afford to keep using them for demonstrations, not while they were still fighting in Vietnam.
Two F4 drops in a row, the old heart is in arrhythmia heaven; heard our fave stick mention the gun pod, be interesting to see one in action. Also, learned today the West Germans called the F4 the "Luftverteidigungsdiesel ("Air Defense Diesel"). I laughed out loud at the image of the beast in burner, ripping across the German countryside, smoking like a barn on fire.
Since I've been watching DCS, and learning more about airframes and how design/thrust/weight can factor in, I used to think the F4 was kind of ugly but now I realize how close it was to being a EuroFighter/F18. A few different design choices and they'd have really really had something special. Like the F16 just seems like a mosquito sized version of an F18, now they both fly totally different, but in appearance you can almost see a heritage I'm design. If the F4 was a Delta Wing and made with better materials it would be QUITE formidable even now.
I've read many stories about the trial dog fights between the Tomcat and the Phantom during the Tomcat's development. The Phantom pilots were very confident they would have the upper hand due to the Tomcat being bigger and heavier. They ended up being shocked as to how easily the Tomcat outperformed and outmaneuvered the Phantom. The Tomcat would outturn or go nose up on the Phantom and there was nothing the Phantom pilots could do to counter it.
It actually reminds me a lot of when the F4U-5 Corsair was developed, featuring metal-covered control surfaces as opposed to the canvas controls of previous variants and which were still common throughout WWII. Pilots initially doubted the plane and suspected the extra weight would be an issue, so Vought's test pilot volunteered to dogfight the Navy's F4U-4s, and consistently won.
Dude, that was frustrating for me to watch you without a gun. I kept expecting you to shoot and then nothing. Awesome video man, a hard one.he must ha e been piseed or surprised at that first kill or both. Good job man.
I was very happy to see a vid like this. Thanks GS!! I really enjoy seeing you fly the older jets. To me you earn the kill more and it's a testament to your skill
It's interesting to think about the context of some design decisions. Having a fighter without the ability to go guns back in the day was both a shortsighted choice and, apparently, several decades ahead of its time.
No, it was just shortsighted. The thinking at the time is all combat would be BVR and at supersonic speeds. Dogfights would never happen, according to the big brains in the Pentagon. So maneuverability, visibility, and guns were considered unnecessary. It might've worked except the fools in Washington immediately decreed you had to visually ID your targets before firing. My dad fought in Vietnam, and he recalls the immense frustration amongst pilots these decisions caused. Not to mention the deaths.
These two jets are my personal favorites. The old guard, and the new. I saw an old video about the "new" Tomcats, and the Phantom pilots were talking about it, abt they said they just couldn't keep up with the climb of the Cat. They were just gone. I would think the TWR might be very similar with them, but the Tomcat had much better nose authority. I am going to assume that when we get out hands on the Heatblur Phantom, it will buck and roll just like the Tomcat did. Rudder inputs and smooth stick movements will be the order of the day. I really can't wait. That first dogfight was epic!
That first dogfight was one of the most hard fought I've seen you do! Crazy. Shame on everyone involved in putting those Sparrows and early Sidewinders on our country's phantoms. That's life or death reliability required situation!
The early F4 were more interceptors than true fighters, especially with no gun installed. The later F4e with the improvements were the closest we got to Phantom fighters.
And yet the gunless Navy models performed substantially better in air-to-air engagements in Vietnam. The F-4E sacrificed a lot in performance and radar capability in order to mount a gun that wasn't even intended for air-to-air, being angled downward for strafing like the A-10's gun.
Funny how people bring up the same "doesn't need a gun" argument when we have THE SAME issue now as we did in Vietnam. Weapons don't track well, and radar can't see until too close for missiles. If you're confused i understand. The key is Stealth. The raptor has weapons that for work for now, but what happens when china produces a air Stealthier J-20? Or Iran gets an Su-57 somehow? Weapons that have worked great against F-15s and Flankers might not against 6th gen fighters of any country and lasers are not practical for highly maneuverable aircraft yet
The Phantom really is my favorite fighter jet. But and is a big fat BUT, not putting a cannon on that plane from the start was the dumbest idea anyone could have.
The F-4's design-for-all idea is what you get when people forget the capabilities of a narrow-purpose fighter. Leaving off the gun was just the start. The dangerous handling near stall speed on a carrier approach and take off is another issue. Shoddy missiles in the early Sparrows was another issue altogether. The -14 was designed to intercept and to dogfight. It flew well and fought well. It had a limited purpose but was built around it. That it had enough leeway to allow it to morph a bit into the D model is a tribute to Grumman. A multi-role fighter is not a new thing, but when you start a base of design that is supposed to be used by all services you lose the individual characteristics that make a singular design fantastic.
I really waited for a new video, that’s what’s happening when you make high quality content, I enjoyed every video from you. I’m still waiting for the F-35 video… I wish you all the best!
Man F-4 vs F-14... Talk about a fight. First thing one needs to decide is which airplane is more sexy. Who the heck can even tell. Two best looking naval fighters.
I can’t wait to get what I need to play this. I’m building my new PC first then getting the good peripherals like a HOTAS and a VR headset. I’m getting the new Bigscreen Beyond VR headset. It’s lightweight, great for when you need your head on a swivel, and it’s using full RGB MicroOLED screens. So it’ll have the same picture quality performance as my main OLED TV. And as I have an iPhone 14 Pro Max, my first Apple Product, I’ll be able to take advantage of their iOS face scanning app that allows a custom fit for the part that sits on your face for personalized comfort. This headset will probably be the most comfortable VR headset for both iPhone owners and normal folk because of its lightweight design.
LOL! THis fight is hilarious! Tremendous fight. Now I'm starting to wonder - Su-57 against MiG-17 or F-86? Something conventional and subsonic yet extremely maneuverable against a Gen-5/6 fighter could be fascinating. But I still want to see the Battle of the Flying Pigs - guns only MiG-31 against something equally atrocious.
I came into this thinking the Phantom would get absolutely slayed, which would hurt because it's one of my favorites, but I loved seeing the old girl put up the fight that she did.
I don't know if it's still there or not because it's been a while but there's a fantastic 2-man 360-degree flight simulator at the planetarium in St Louis. If WAS only $7 to go cruising around Vietnam in an F-4 and shoot down MiG-21s or was it 19s, I'm not sure. Anyway, if anyone is around the St. Louis area and wanted something to do, the planetarium was a great day.
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A-10 vs F-5
22 flankers vs 4 f22s
F35 squad vs j15 squad, china vs us naval battle
Thanks for the f4 vs tomcat match. I'm going to count that last kill as yours since you clearly could have got him with gun pods. It's also crazy to think Iran has tomcats and phantoms in its fleet that they still use. Thanks again!
Please oh please do a P-38 vs Mosquito??
Of course the tomcat is better. It’s a whole 10 Fs newer than the Phantom.
I think the tomcat pilot doesn’t really give an f for the phantom
Imagine if he had an F-117
F-14A even let alone the F-14 B/D was superior to the F-4 in every way. It could out climb, out accelerate and out turn the Phantom. This was to the point where Navy test shows F-14 could go from fully defensive to fully offensive in just 15 seconds
What’s very interesting is how F-4 crews often beat F-14 crews in mock dogfights. Granted it was early on, but the F-14 crews were still very well trained. The F-4 is no slouch when it’s in good hands.
It's interesting, you always think of the F-4 as the one with monster power, but it actually had considerably less thrust than the F-14. However, it was also nearly 10 Tonnes lighter, which makes a massive difference.
From my understanding, the TF30 on the Tomcat was not very efficient or particularly powerful at low speeds. Get up past Mach 1, and the Tomcat's engines get a lot better, but the Phantom is going to have more grunt than the tomcat at low speeds. Their actual Thrust/weight ratios are apparently very similar, prior to the engine upgrades the Tomcat got for the B model.
My understanding, however, could be flawed.
@@Skyfighter64 at least from my understanding the static sea-level thrust of the Tomcat was still a good chunk higher than the Phantom's. But it is also true that the TF-30's only really kicked in properly at higher speeds as you said. And so perhaps the F-4 has more subsonic grunt, at least when you factor in the weight difference. But then the Tomcat comes in at higher speeds. Either way I do believe you're correct in saying that the TWR is relatively similar in this sort of scenario.
@@__-fm5qv The Tomcat's biggest advantage over the F-4 is the advancements made in aerodynamic design, specifically, the high mounted wings, and the flat aft fuselage creates a much larger lifting area, lowering the wing loading, but also the high mounted wings flush with the top of the fuselage meant a vastly reduced drag profile.
F-14A even let alone the F-14 B/D was superior to the F-4 in every way. It could out climb, out accelerate and out turn the Phantom. This was to the point where Navy test shows F-14 could go from fully defensive to fully offensive in just 15 seconds
Also, the empty weight was 10,000 lbs apart, which is 5 tons and not 10 tons
The Iranian Air Force flies both the F-4 and F-14, so they've conducted this exercise of these two jets versus each other many times I'm sure. I wonder how their F-4 pilots fared in those training exercises, probably not so good.
Iranian pilots said F-4 was no match for the Tomcat. The F-4 could not turn at all. Basically, you could get behind it in 15 seconds in a Tomcat
Be interesting to here Greek pilots thoughts on dog fighting other Nato aircraft since they still fly the F4
@@danieldunlap4077 The Greeks use the F4 in ground attack only.
@@jamesharris9816we can use them in BVR too,as they can use AIM120s
At least the Iranian F-4E has a gun
I wonder if the Heatblur F-4 will have Jesters dad as a RIO who also punches out at the first sign of trouble
Honestly you've done so many dogfight matchups I can watch old vids and it seems new still, so thank you for all the unique content creation you've accomplished so far!
The Phantom and Tomcat are the two coolest looking fighters ever, imo. It’s great to see them go head to head.
From a previous era the F-105 Thunderchief in flight was also extremely pleasing to the eye. A manly brute if there ever was one but no gunfighter.
Anyone else getting the vibe he's flying this more because he's got insider info on the phantom getting released this year and is sooner than we all think? I am definetly subscribing to the year of the strike eagle narrative but we might just have some phantoms in our near future bois
Been thinking the same. One video sure but two in a row? Hmmmmmmm
why should he put out more videos of the phantom if he knows it will be released soon instead of just waiting for the release?
@@Audifaramsearch engine optimization. You populate the results with "f4" "f4e" "f4e phantom" etc.
'this year' was optimistic, but it's out now!
The Phantom is doing a lot better than I thought it would. A testament to it's capabilities. Awesome vid!
Would love to see you do a ground attack video with the Su-25. CAS, a strike mission, anything. Don't think I've seen you use the Frogfoot except in dogfights. Appreciate all your hard work!
l want to see Frogfoot and/or A-10 against the MiG-15
Have a feeling the pilot has something to do with it too
It's a testament to GS' Jedi dogfighting skills.
If an unslatted F-4 does that well it would be interesting to see what a slatted F-4 could do.
I've read about veteran F-4 pilots getting "kills" on the F-14 and F-15 when they were first introduced.
RAF F-4s carried the SUU-23 20mm gun pod. They provided the USN F-14s adversary training in the run up to Desert Storm and gave a very good account of themselves.
The amount of hate towards the lack of a gun on the early F-4 was completely justified. If I won a dogfight, couldn't take a shot, and ended up defensive, I would be furious.
I had such admiration for the F4 Phantom for it was the first plastic model I built when I was like 12 years old.
I remember as a kid I had a model kit that had all 6 of the Air Force's Thunderbirds F-4 Phantoms. I always like that design.
I have been following you from an year , and i have to tell you i enjoyed every moment of it
Thank you very much, I will try to not disappoint going forward lol.
yay, you replied
@@GrowlingSidewinder
Your comment made me realize how long I've been following him
Like the channel, or literally in person? I mean, that could be a bit creepy.
@@danielbrown9368agree it would be creepy if he followed his Chanel for one year
average war thunder match be like:
Yeah but the toptier Phantoms are usualy worse pilots (the Premium ones)
@@metalheadac9368 except if you find F4E , ej kai and kurnas pilots
Omg fr
@@commandergeokam2868As an ej kai player, I tip my hat off to you
@@crimsoneuphoria o7
My father was an f4 pilot in Vietnam, he flew without & with the gun. I remember him saying when they got the pod they were all excited, saying finally etc, only to end up getting pissed off with it because it was jamming way too often due to the mount made for it, that got fixed, hopes went up only to be crashed again, due to this new mount leading the gun to become misaligned during flight, so for a few months they were fighting with a misaligned gun which would fire one way, only to end up firing a different way on the same flight.
It drove them freaking insane. Eventually it all got squared away of course.
He ended up finishing his career off flying the f15, which all the pilots were really hesitant about due to all the new fancy tech, but that hesitancy ran away after their first few flights 😂
I got my wish! Thank you! Can't wait to see a gun pod on the f4 soon. I'm sorry it was a hard match but very interesting to watch.
Always been fascinated by the F4 phantom. It looks cool but seems to have the aerodynamics of a 70s muscle car, fast in a straight line but don't ask it to turn.
It'll be interesting to see Heatblur's F-4E. Should turn a lot better, at a cost to speed retention.
Also the E variant has an internal gun.
Why does it turn better?
@@GlokEsPagile eagle program. F4E got leading edge slats.
The F-4 Phantom was my favorite in Chuck Yeager Air Combat, back in the day.
Me too!
A better Vietnam Era aircraft would be the F-8 crusader. It had a great gun and could hold its own in a fight with any mig of the era.
I was thinking the same thing, the last Gunfighter would be interesting against the F-14
F-5 is the correct answer 😊
I like to use manual sweep to trick opponent into thinking im at a different airspeed than I'm actually at.
Yo GS, what an amazing video featuring two great legacy fighters. Thanks for the aircraft pros and cons, guns ftw. Have a pleasant day. Cheers.
How is there nobody talking about how gs beat a TOMCAT in an F-4B with nothing but what was probably aim-9B’s
Tbf the pilot he was fighting wasn’t managing speed well and lost control of the Tomcat multiple times.
If GS fought someone of equivalent or close to his skill level they wouldn’t wiped the floor with the F4b
The Blue Angels must have had one hell of a fun time flying the Diesel Interceptor 😂
It was actually extremely dangerous in the super-close formations the Blues fly. The reason they switched to A-4s after such a short time is because they crashed so many F-4s (and killed so many pilots) that the Navy couldn't afford to keep using them for demonstrations, not while they were still fighting in Vietnam.
@@smittywjmj I can see that. The A4 was the logical choice. The Angels also kept using the legacy Hornet way after the Rhino came out.
They were so space age the F-4 didn't need a gun and the M-16's didn't need cleaning kits. Lol
Two F4 drops in a row, the old heart is in arrhythmia heaven; heard our fave stick mention the gun pod, be interesting to see one in action. Also, learned today the West Germans called the F4 the "Luftverteidigungsdiesel ("Air Defense Diesel"). I laughed out loud at the image of the beast in burner, ripping across the German countryside, smoking like a barn on fire.
that must have been a tough turn fight without the Agile Eagle slats and the gunpod
if i could choose the worst varient of the f4 it would be this
Shake, rattle and roll baby!
@@leongao5120 Well it was the first variant, although arguably the F-4C or F-4D would actually be the worst fighter variants.
Since I've been watching DCS, and learning more about airframes and how design/thrust/weight can factor in, I used to think the F4 was kind of ugly but now I realize how close it was to being a EuroFighter/F18. A few different design choices and they'd have really really had something special.
Like the F16 just seems like a mosquito sized version of an F18, now they both fly totally different, but in appearance you can almost see a heritage I'm design. If the F4 was a Delta Wing and made with better materials it would be QUITE formidable even now.
Both fights had me on the edge of my seat, and my fingernails are in the process of being digested. Fantastic!
I've read many stories about the trial dog fights between the Tomcat and the Phantom during the Tomcat's development. The Phantom pilots were very confident they would have the upper hand due to the Tomcat being bigger and heavier. They ended up being shocked as to how easily the Tomcat outperformed and outmaneuvered the Phantom. The Tomcat would outturn or go nose up on the Phantom and there was nothing the Phantom pilots could do to counter it.
It actually reminds me a lot of when the F4U-5 Corsair was developed, featuring metal-covered control surfaces as opposed to the canvas controls of previous variants and which were still common throughout WWII. Pilots initially doubted the plane and suspected the extra weight would be an issue, so Vought's test pilot volunteered to dogfight the Navy's F4U-4s, and consistently won.
Ok but the way the Phantom started spinning like a top after that fox 2 hit was really funny
my two favorite looking classic jets. Both sexy machines.
Dude, that was frustrating for me to watch you without a gun. I kept expecting you to shoot and then nothing. Awesome video man, a hard one.he must ha e been piseed or surprised at that first kill or both. Good job man.
I love it when you fly the disadvantaged jet
7:15 It's not Quite all over... You could still go Fox 4 and BE the missile ;D
I imagine the first pilot to fight without a gun chased the comittee with his pocket knife afterwards.
Really love seeing the F4 thrown around like that, excellent work GS
F-14’s will always be my favorite. It reminds me of my all time favorite tv shows when I was growing up, Robotech🥲
I was very happy to see a vid like this. Thanks GS!! I really enjoy seeing you fly the older jets. To me you earn the kill more and it's a testament to your skill
The missile lock issues were ridiculous for the F-4. Especially with no gun.
Would not expect this to be such an interesting fight
I have often wondered what reputation the Tomcat would have if it arrived a couple of years earlier and fought MIGs on a regular basis.
Well it fought migs for 8 years for Iran against Iraq and absolutely wiped the floor with migs and mirages.
It's interesting to think about the context of some design decisions. Having a fighter without the ability to go guns back in the day was both a shortsighted choice and, apparently, several decades ahead of its time.
No, it was just shortsighted. The thinking at the time is all combat would be BVR and at supersonic speeds. Dogfights would never happen, according to the big brains in the Pentagon. So maneuverability, visibility, and guns were considered unnecessary.
It might've worked except the fools in Washington immediately decreed you had to visually ID your targets before firing. My dad fought in Vietnam, and he recalls the immense frustration amongst pilots these decisions caused. Not to mention the deaths.
There's a great novel about f-4 pilots called Rolling Thunder that covered these frustrations
I’m so glad you’ve been doing the F-4! One of my favorite jets of all time!
Hell yes! I was wondering when you would do a dogfight video with the Phantom.
Back when I was in the Corp supporting the F4 my Gunny told me that the F4 was proof positive that with enough force even a rock can fly 😂
I don't think I've missed a video since I've subbed 2 months ago and probably watched a large amount of older videos on top since, been loving it!
Many thanks, appreciate the support.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Absolutely, loving the consistent quality content!
Holy hell bro you’re absolutely killing the pilot’s neck at like 11:30ish.
That F-4 made a very pretty spin of fire with no tail surfaces at least
These two jets are my personal favorites. The old guard, and the new. I saw an old video about the "new" Tomcats, and the Phantom pilots were talking about it, abt they said they just couldn't keep up with the climb of the Cat. They were just gone. I would think the TWR might be very similar with them, but the Tomcat had much better nose authority. I am going to assume that when we get out hands on the Heatblur Phantom, it will buck and roll just like the Tomcat did. Rudder inputs and smooth stick movements will be the order of the day. I really can't wait. That first dogfight was epic!
I think i might go ahead and make a DCS rig, Ive been watching the content for a while and I feel the itch to jump in
I'm in the same position as you, ordered all my virpil controls stuff, now to figure out how and where to mount it all!
I just got my trackIr in today lol. One step closer...
That first dogfight was one of the most hard fought I've seen you do! Crazy. Shame on everyone involved in putting those Sparrows and early Sidewinders on our country's phantoms. That's life or death reliability required situation!
I'm at 5:41 and I'm wondering if GS didn't uncage the seeker on his AIM-9... Suspense!
The early F4 were more interceptors than true fighters, especially with no gun installed. The later F4e with the improvements were the closest we got to Phantom fighters.
they were called the " flying brick " by the pilots in Vietnam lol .
@@5675492 Also "The World's Leading Distributor of MiG Parts".
And yet the gunless Navy models performed substantially better in air-to-air engagements in Vietnam. The F-4E sacrificed a lot in performance and radar capability in order to mount a gun that wasn't even intended for air-to-air, being angled downward for strafing like the A-10's gun.
I would love to see this fight with the F-4 having a gunpod.
I’m not sure why but this fight was extremely intense and I love it
Funny how people bring up the same "doesn't need a gun" argument when we have THE SAME issue now as we did in Vietnam. Weapons don't track well, and radar can't see until too close for missiles. If you're confused i understand. The key is Stealth. The raptor has weapons that for work for now, but what happens when china produces a air Stealthier J-20? Or Iran gets an Su-57 somehow? Weapons that have worked great against F-15s and Flankers might not against 6th gen fighters of any country and lasers are not practical for highly maneuverable aircraft yet
The Phantom really is my favorite fighter jet. But and is a big fat BUT, not putting a cannon on that plane from the start was the dumbest idea anyone could have.
The F-4's design-for-all idea is what you get when people forget the capabilities of a narrow-purpose fighter. Leaving off the gun was just the start. The dangerous handling near stall speed on a carrier approach and take off is another issue. Shoddy missiles in the early Sparrows was another issue altogether.
The -14 was designed to intercept and to dogfight. It flew well and fought well. It had a limited purpose but was built around it. That it had enough leeway to allow it to morph a bit into the D model is a tribute to Grumman.
A multi-role fighter is not a new thing, but when you start a base of design that is supposed to be used by all services you lose the individual characteristics that make a singular design fantastic.
You were really hustling that thing. Beautiful flying!
F4, powered brick. Different jobs, but my preference was the A4.
Ahh my two favs of the jet era
It's not the plane, it's the pilot.
I wonder what John "cat" Cheshire would've thought of this match...
At this point I'm pretty sure GS could strap a musket to a kite and beat an F22
So far a balloon has been its toughest opponent, so yeah, maybe. ;-)
That's a great visual I won't forget ! Haha
This would make an interesting fight the bf-109 vs the f4f hellcat
I really waited for a new video, that’s what’s happening when you make high quality content, I enjoyed every video from you.
I’m still waiting for the F-35 video…
I wish you all the best!
I am shocked lol. I never knew the F4 could dog fight that well
I really like the cockpit layout of the F4 and the yellow color on the radar and HUD
“Fatal1ty”😂 Brings back all the Quake 3 Arena sweet memories ❤
Man F-4 vs F-14... Talk about a fight. First thing one needs to decide is which airplane is more sexy. Who the heck can even tell. Two best looking naval fighters.
Tell ya what, I was flinching my head a wee bit expecting tracers to the cockpit 7:58 Lol Never gave up in round 2. Very commendable. Well done.
You should do some sead missions with su-25 frog foot
I can’t wait to get what I need to play this. I’m building my new PC first then getting the good peripherals like a HOTAS and a VR headset. I’m getting the new Bigscreen Beyond VR headset. It’s lightweight, great for when you need your head on a swivel, and it’s using full RGB MicroOLED screens. So it’ll have the same picture quality performance as my main OLED TV. And as I have an iPhone 14 Pro Max, my first Apple Product, I’ll be able to take advantage of their iOS face scanning app that allows a custom fit for the part that sits on your face for personalized comfort. This headset will probably be the most comfortable VR headset for both iPhone owners and normal folk because of its lightweight design.
despite all the handicap, u still able to splash that F14 facing the sun, what a beast.
LOL! THis fight is hilarious! Tremendous fight.
Now I'm starting to wonder - Su-57 against MiG-17 or F-86? Something conventional and subsonic yet extremely maneuverable against a Gen-5/6 fighter could be fascinating.
But I still want to see the Battle of the Flying Pigs - guns only MiG-31 against something equally atrocious.
I have seen 2 F4s go into vertical full burner. It was unreal
I came into this thinking the Phantom would get absolutely slayed, which would hurt because it's one of my favorites, but I loved seeing the old girl put up the fight that she did.
Absolutely insane decision not having a gun in the F-4! Especially in that era where the missiles capabilities were not by any means stellar!!!
Love the f4 I used to work with some of the last f4 A orange and white one, I was in love with that lady
I don't know if it's still there or not because it's been a while but there's a fantastic 2-man 360-degree flight simulator at the planetarium in St Louis. If WAS only $7 to go cruising around Vietnam in an F-4 and shoot down MiG-21s or was it 19s, I'm not sure. Anyway, if anyone is around the St. Louis area and wanted something to do, the planetarium was a great day.
good to see some more phantom content
7:32 - "he has to find a way to get me off here"
...heh
Like you read my mind. Thought of this yesterday during the Phantom vid
In-yer-face Bank'n'Yank with an F-4 w/no gun!! Well Done!!
Nice to see a veteran from my Nam days win one!
Imagine IRL standing on the ground watching this drama unfold above.
Could a Phantom do differential thrust like the Tomcat?
Engines are really too close together for it to do much of anything
Any plane with more than one engine can do differential thrust.
13:38 --- Oooooo Pretty
Nice fight! When I saw Phantom vs Tomcat...I had to see it!
Paused at 58 seconds lol. Good luck GS. F14 is a beast
I want to see an F4 vs F14 but with a gun pod.
Take a shot every time GS mentions not having a gun on his plane
YES! A fight that I have always been very curious about.
That was like a 20G spin after you got hit... 🤣 No way you were reaching for the handles and getting out of that one.
Nice F4 driving . Always loved the Phantom.
Blaze vs Mobius
*DUEL OF THE CENTURY*
I was not expecting this but I am here for it.
This is a classic Air Combat 1995 match up