Have you seen Don Suratos Miniatures's "chop on chop", would be cool to see a video of you giving it a shot; some of the color depth achievable is pretty striking.
Idk where he got his but as someone who cooks and has a huge spice collection. You can get very similar things that are just called rotating spice racks. The holes might just be a bit bigger is all. Tbh the rotating spice racks I have seen to be made of more robust materials anyway.
"I've noticed that Speed Paint doesn't really cover or add a lot of color, but mostly just tints." "Speed Paint is designed to be used right out of the bottle, but I like making it half as strong before using it first." My boi, you made this sandwich
As someone who has practiced with a few. Some paints offer great coverage and can cover. And some really are just a tint unless you really get it concentrated on the spot.
You can use white Speedpaint on a light gray or white background. I cover the surfaces in pure medium then apply the white speedpaint while the model is still wet with the medium. Works for Space Marines, Tau, and amazingly on Sisters of Battel too.
If you or someone you know has access to a resin printer, the speed paint caps are a necessity for a noob like me. Print them, prime them and slap on the speed paint. They rarely look anything like in the bottle and
Very glad to see this. I found that experimenting with the Vallejo Xpress paints, they did not behave as I has anticipated, so this really helps me better understand my experience. Thanks!
I've been using speed paints for a while and really enjoy them. I've been using a gloss varnish once I drybrush my models but before I apply my speed paint. The reason is is the you can use a little isopropyl on a brush to either clean up and over spill or full on delete an area that you've painted but your previous layer is fine.
My approach with speed/contrast paints has become to basically use them as washes. I base coat with regular acrylics, highlight with pure white (often drybrushing, but edge highlighting works too) and then wash each area with similarly coloured thinned speedpaints, which adds shading and tints all the highlights the correct colour. I suppose it's like a coloured 'slapchop' - not quite as fast but achieves a result much more like traditional layering. One other benefit of this approach is that you don't get blotchiness and coffee staining, and you can easily make corrections with the base acrylic colour as it effectively becomes the mid tone. It does look a bit weird half way through with all the pure white highlighting, but I've learned to trust the process and it's been super reliable.
I started painting Minis about 3 years ago and speed paints were this cool new thing everyone was trying out. For me it's all I used for the first year, just dry brushing and slapping on speed paint. Since then I have mixed in a lot of other techniques and types of paint but I usually still mostly use speed and contrast paint to get a mini covered.
@EonsOfBattle I have been able to get good contrast from metallic speedpaints by not fully agitating them. If they're just a little bit separated the two colors inside (example: grey metallic paint and dark blue ink) split off enough so that the surfaces all look grey, while the dark blue ink flows into the recesses and darkens them nicely with a colored shadow. They really work best on minis with deep crevices, like the OPR lizardfolk
Yeah it’s a bit weird how GW decided to launch non-contrast contrast paints as part of their 2.0 release. They are useful, but you sort of have to know beforehand which colors are true contrasting colors and which aren’t.
I'll be honest the only time I've liked contrast paints for the intended purposes was when I was painting Bloodletters, otherwise they are just different varieties of shades, glow effects and power weapons, maybe some glazing but eh, I'm just more used to acrylics
Speed paints are what got me into the hobby, and made me feel like I could do it. Its kinda funny because I don't really use them much anymore. I'm on the proAcryl hype train. But I do find proAcryl is thin enough I can almost use it in a way similar to how youre using speed paints here. I'll paint over a black prime with some stepped gray drybrush layers, of like, dark gray, gray, light gray, and obviously the final product isn't like a slapchop thing but I find it helps me keep my bright bits bright and my dark bits dark.
contrast/speed/express/transparent paints are one of the most fun ways to play around with colours, I have no idea how other people make things vibrant, but without it I feel my painting would be dull as heck
I own a good handful of contrast paints and a few speed paints and mostly use them for glazes, shades, and blending. I painted my first speed painted "slapchop" model a couple of months ago and it was fun and definitely see the advantages of the technique. I also was intruigued by the AP metallic speed paints, but realized I could just thin down Vallejo's Metal color paints to behave the same way, if not better
When GW came out with their second wave of contrast paints, they brought in colors like Imperial Fist and Sigvald Burgundy that don't actually behave like contrast paints, but instead create a flat, saturated one-coat layer over white. When the new sets were being released, they actually categorized all these paints as a sub-line within contrast, but it looks like they've completely given up on that. I can't even find the name they were using to categorize all the flat contrast paints anymore. I guess they decided it was less confusing to say that some contrast paints just happen to work completely differently than to try to get across that there's a subcategory of contrast paints.
I remember this as well. I had been interested in a few contrasts, but I can't find the information anywhere. I want to try Imperial Fist and a few others, and don't want them turning out like Pylar Glacier (this is a glaze more than contrast!).
The vallejo white speed paint has to be mixed with and/or glazed over with the speedpaint medium. Or atleast thats what it says on the bottle 🤷♂️ 5:52
3:15 I don't quite know what you mean here, but I like speed paint best for things like muscles. I use them on orks and Kroot. Especially kroot, where canonically you can have a rainbow of cannibal chickens.
Using a combination of regular and speed paint so far but leaning more to the speed paint lately. Warframe rocks, but I was a complete sucker for Dark Sector. I miss that one.
I have been telling people about non white zenithal highlights for years at this point. Its like the pink/purple shadow for yellow, but no one seems to do it.
Lahmium Medium isn’t a wash medium. It’s their standard paint medium. Their washes use the contrast medium. I suspect the difference between GW washes and Contrast is that the latter includes inks to tint the entire surface and the washes do not so that they primarily only stain in and near the crevices they run to.
I use Tallashar blue over a metal basecoat/prime for a really nice metallic blue color. Colored metal is probvably my favorite use for contrast, its what I use for my votann
Was playing the new Warframe update when I started watching this. Naturally, I got very excited when I found out there's official Warframe minis. And then I found out they're just STLs, immediately lost interest. Great video as usual though, the paint job on Aoi looks awesome.
Given it's sponsored, it sounds like DE (been a while, those're the devs right?) might be dipping their toe in to see what the interest is like. It makes a lot of sense, given people already massively modify/tweak their frame colours so much.
but but this is how i use them. Can i get a cooooookie. I love these paints. Black templar, Bacilicanum grey, abdolution green ghille green, 💚 Oh and the reds for space marine lens. Chefs kiss
I use them pretty much the same. I fint Lamia medium works better as they get a bit thinner. With Cantrast medium they just get a bit more desaturated.
Hey jay. Love your videos and tips and tricks. I am a big fan of citadel paints. Do you use any specific contrasts on your tyranids. I love your tyranid scheme so much i kind of sort of stole it lol. Thanks for all the quality you give us ❤
I really miss the way gen 1 speedpaints behaved, the reactivation 'problem' really let you make great blends, and that holy white in particular almost sucked up the pigment of the lower layers using it. Was great for making highlights or bringing back areas you've made too dark.
Ngl, I was sold on speedpaint, but im finding that I kinda hate the paint jobs I get if I try to actually paint fast. I have to go about as slow as normal paint to get a good result with speedpaint.
I'm honestly a little disappointed in companies selling the transparent and opaque speedpaints as the same thing. I'm sure its something intrinsic to the chemistry of the different colors but they're really different things to work with.
8:03 I like how you’re bringing up that using contrast is basically layering in reverse. Instead of going light on raised areas, and layering that, you layer the recesses that need to be darker
Yeah, GW reformulated their shades some time ago and now they're just slightly more weak Contrast paints. Real shame, the old Nuln oil was legendary, the new formula is... ehhhh Also I feel the one thing some people get kinda wrong is airbrushing speed paints because the whole pooling behaviour just doesn't work and you're basically using them as inks, unlike thinned brushing they just don't look as good.
Sorry Jay, are you using opaque in place of transparent? Opaque means not see through and transparent means see through. Great video as always 👏. I got the STLs for this set and will try your glazing method with my speed paints. Edit: nm, nailed it in the second half.😅
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Have you seen Don Suratos Miniatures's "chop on chop", would be cool to see a video of you giving it a shot; some of the color depth achievable is pretty striking.
I definitely did not expect to see Warframe on this channel
kinda weird cus this isnt the first time
2:06 That spinny bottle rack looks really useful.
Lipstick display
@@coryway6951 So it is! Thanks for the heads up!
where did you get your lazy susan
I wanna know too
Me too
Idk where he got his but as someone who cooks and has a huge spice collection. You can get very similar things that are just called rotating spice racks. The holes might just be a bit bigger is all. Tbh the rotating spice racks I have seen to be made of more robust materials anyway.
@@theblackrose3130 Ross/Marshall's always cheap af
Ikea sells them.
"I've noticed that Speed Paint doesn't really cover or add a lot of color, but mostly just tints."
"Speed Paint is designed to be used right out of the bottle, but I like making it half as strong before using it first."
My boi, you made this sandwich
As someone who has practiced with a few. Some paints offer great coverage and can cover. And some really are just a tint unless you really get it concentrated on the spot.
You can use white Speedpaint on a light gray or white background.
I cover the surfaces in pure medium then apply the white speedpaint while the model is still wet with the medium.
Works for Space Marines, Tau, and amazingly on Sisters of Battel too.
I've found the speed paint color panels from Stahly are pretty useful for determining color over white pre-purchase.
If you or someone you know has access to a resin printer, the speed paint caps are a necessity for a noob like me. Print them, prime them and slap on the speed paint. They rarely look anything like in the bottle and
Jay, please include a link to where you got that lazy susan paint organizer.
Very glad to see this. I found that experimenting with the Vallejo Xpress paints, they did not behave as I has anticipated, so this really helps me better understand my experience. Thanks!
I've been using speed paints for a while and really enjoy them. I've been using a gloss varnish once I drybrush my models but before I apply my speed paint. The reason is is the you can use a little isopropyl on a brush to either clean up and over spill or full on delete an area that you've painted but your previous layer is fine.
My approach with speed/contrast paints has become to basically use them as washes. I base coat with regular acrylics, highlight with pure white (often drybrushing, but edge highlighting works too) and then wash each area with similarly coloured thinned speedpaints, which adds shading and tints all the highlights the correct colour. I suppose it's like a coloured 'slapchop' - not quite as fast but achieves a result much more like traditional layering.
One other benefit of this approach is that you don't get blotchiness and coffee staining, and you can easily make corrections with the base acrylic colour as it effectively becomes the mid tone. It does look a bit weird half way through with all the pure white highlighting, but I've learned to trust the process and it's been super reliable.
I started painting Minis about 3 years ago and speed paints were this cool new thing everyone was trying out. For me it's all I used for the first year, just dry brushing and slapping on speed paint. Since then I have mixed in a lot of other techniques and types of paint but I usually still mostly use speed and contrast paint to get a mini covered.
As someone who plays Warframe this was a pleasant surprise, the cross over I didn’t see coming lol
A recipe I picked up from another channel that looks nice is 1:4 Matte Black: Occultist Cloak speed paint.
Jay, you've probably seen this but GW is doing a rerun of the Ancient in Terminator armor!
@EonsOfBattle I have been able to get good contrast from metallic speedpaints by not fully agitating them. If they're just a little bit separated the two colors inside (example: grey metallic paint and dark blue ink) split off enough so that the surfaces all look grey, while the dark blue ink flows into the recesses and darkens them nicely with a colored shadow. They really work best on minis with deep crevices, like the OPR lizardfolk
Having dived hard into speed paints my recommendation is tactical colored priming, then opaque paints, then speed paints, then highlights.
i love speed paint ad wheneob drops in my recess at school its pretty nice to have something to watch
Yeah it’s a bit weird how GW decided to launch non-contrast contrast paints as part of their 2.0 release. They are useful, but you sort of have to know beforehand which colors are true contrasting colors and which aren’t.
I'll be honest the only time I've liked contrast paints for the intended purposes was when I was painting Bloodletters, otherwise they are just different varieties of shades, glow effects and power weapons, maybe some glazing but eh, I'm just more used to acrylics
I never thought of using them in this manner before. I hope you make more videos like this in the future.
Speed paints are what got me into the hobby, and made me feel like I could do it. Its kinda funny because I don't really use them much anymore. I'm on the proAcryl hype train. But I do find proAcryl is thin enough I can almost use it in a way similar to how youre using speed paints here. I'll paint over a black prime with some stepped gray drybrush layers, of like, dark gray, gray, light gray, and obviously the final product isn't like a slapchop thing but I find it helps me keep my bright bits bright and my dark bits dark.
totally agree, ive done several of my models with 100% speed paints, including the speed paint metallics
contrast/speed/express/transparent paints are one of the most fun ways to play around with colours, I have no idea how other people make things vibrant, but without it I feel my painting would be dull as heck
I own a good handful of contrast paints and a few speed paints and mostly use them for glazes, shades, and blending. I painted my first speed painted "slapchop" model a couple of months ago and it was fun and definitely see the advantages of the technique. I also was intruigued by the AP metallic speed paints, but realized I could just thin down Vallejo's Metal color paints to behave the same way, if not better
When GW came out with their second wave of contrast paints, they brought in colors like Imperial Fist and Sigvald Burgundy that don't actually behave like contrast paints, but instead create a flat, saturated one-coat layer over white. When the new sets were being released, they actually categorized all these paints as a sub-line within contrast, but it looks like they've completely given up on that. I can't even find the name they were using to categorize all the flat contrast paints anymore. I guess they decided it was less confusing to say that some contrast paints just happen to work completely differently than to try to get across that there's a subcategory of contrast paints.
I remember this as well. I had been interested in a few contrasts, but I can't find the information anywhere. I want to try Imperial Fist and a few others, and don't want them turning out like Pylar Glacier (this is a glaze more than contrast!).
The vallejo white speed paint has to be mixed with and/or glazed over with the speedpaint medium. Or atleast thats what it says on the bottle 🤷♂️ 5:52
3:15 I don't quite know what you mean here, but I like speed paint best for things like muscles. I use them on orks and Kroot. Especially kroot, where canonically you can have a rainbow of cannibal chickens.
I'm still using speed paint 1.0 I love the stuff, I know the formula changed for 2.0 but that's the fun in trying new paint
Using a combination of regular and speed paint so far but leaning more to the speed paint lately. Warframe rocks, but I was a complete sucker for Dark Sector. I miss that one.
Needed this one so bad thank you!
Always a joy to watch how your mind works. You have an incredible way of thinking that I really enjoy. Thanks for another amazing painting tutorial!
So you were basically glazing
I would love to see more speed paint specific stuff, this was super interesting.
I have been telling people about non white zenithal highlights for years at this point. Its like the pink/purple shadow for yellow, but no one seems to do it.
Painting the caps is genious. I am going home and doing that today!
I use fleshtearers red all the time as a pre thinned paint. It’s almost perfect
Lahmium Medium isn’t a wash medium. It’s their standard paint medium. Their washes use the contrast medium.
I suspect the difference between GW washes and Contrast is that the latter includes inks to tint the entire surface and the washes do not so that they primarily only stain in and near the crevices they run to.
I freaking love Warframe, how am I just learning there are minis for the protoframes?!!?!?!
I use Tallashar blue over a metal basecoat/prime for a really nice metallic blue color. Colored metal is probvably my favorite use for contrast, its what I use for my votann
As a warframe player I'm pumped about your sponser
Everyone should swatch their paint. I do it for my acrylics as well, not just speed paints.
Hey where did you get the lazy Susan for the Army Painter paints?
Great video. I like these kinds of vids more than the time challenges
Was playing the new Warframe update when I started watching this. Naturally, I got very excited when I found out there's official Warframe minis. And then I found out they're just STLs, immediately lost interest. Great video as usual though, the paint job on Aoi looks awesome.
Given it's sponsored, it sounds like DE (been a while, those're the devs right?) might be dipping their toe in to see what the interest is like. It makes a lot of sense, given people already massively modify/tweak their frame colours so much.
Given that every UA-camr I've seen sponsored so far has an actual box of the proto frames, I expect they'll be doing a physical run at some point.
but but this is how i use them. Can i get a cooooookie. I love these paints. Black templar, Bacilicanum grey, abdolution green ghille green, 💚 Oh and the reds for space marine lens. Chefs kiss
Great video, Jay.
1:43 I believe contrasts have much higher pigmentation meant to go towards the recesses of a mini
I use them pretty much the same. I fint Lamia medium works better as they get a bit thinner. With Cantrast medium they just get a bit more desaturated.
Hey Jay, do you still recommend speed/contrast paints to those without airbrushes who can’t do those tasty xenithals?
When first I made a comment about glitter paint, many stated: "Gimmicky", now with this I was proven correct and my over simple used gun method works!
That's great, but what's the best tasting speed paint?
Asking the important questions. Good job.
Hey jay. Love your videos and tips and tricks. I am a big fan of citadel paints. Do you use any specific contrasts on your tyranids. I love your tyranid scheme so much i kind of sort of stole it lol. Thanks for all the quality you give us ❤
My space marines are almost exclusively painted with contrast and speed paints.
I know that Vallejo is a spanish brand, but "espresso" it's Italian, so "espresso colòr" doesn't mean anything :D
-Your Italian fan.
Rattling grime is the best contrast paint
Zenithal is a must with speed paints
Do the Big "the inks" from ak work like speedpaints?
I really miss the way gen 1 speedpaints behaved, the reactivation 'problem' really let you make great blends, and that holy white in particular almost sucked up the pigment of the lower layers using it. Was great for making highlights or bringing back areas you've made too dark.
I also paint the lids of my dropper bottles to see what I'm getting.
Take a shot everytime Jay says that contrast paints are transparent
You didn’t explain how to prevent coffee staining when using speed paint. That is the biggest issue especially with the runnier ones.
Ngl, I was sold on speedpaint, but im finding that I kinda hate the paint jobs I get if I try to actually paint fast. I have to go about as slow as normal paint to get a good result with speedpaint.
I have never used speed paint would any body recommend?
I use army painter speed paints…. They are solid and reasonably priced, they are very tricky, so I’d practice with some cheaper models
I'm honestly a little disappointed in companies selling the transparent and opaque speedpaints as the same thing. I'm sure its something intrinsic to the chemistry of the different colors but they're really different things to work with.
8:03 I like how you’re bringing up that using contrast is basically layering in reverse. Instead of going light on raised areas, and layering that, you layer the recesses that need to be darker
I've seen paintjobs that are just speed paint over a white base, and I think they look a bit desaturated.
It looks like you painted with water color palates from a elementary school art class.
You painted my wife very well
I've been forever cursed to pronounce "broadsword" as "BRODESODE". It's Brodesode Silver.
Could you paint some space bears ?
very interesting indeed
Yeah, GW reformulated their shades some time ago and now they're just slightly more weak Contrast paints. Real shame, the old Nuln oil was legendary, the new formula is... ehhhh
Also I feel the one thing some people get kinda wrong is airbrushing speed paints because the whole pooling behaviour just doesn't work and you're basically using them as inks, unlike thinned brushing they just don't look as good.
hmmm interesting....
Just prime black and do a white slapchop all over. Add Speedpaint, Done.
Jay, please do some thousand sons!
Has anyone ever told you that you look like kaggyfilms?
have you got any interest in the new Halo Flashpoint game ?
i jsut use them instead of inks.
HONEY GET UP WE ARE LEARNING ABOUT SPEED PAINT/CONTRAST PAINT
expreso calor
Jay is clean with the accent????
Fire Lords please 😢
Nah, I'm using them just right! :D
In this video: Jay discovers glazing
Do the traitor legions! 🌽
Lmao Warframe? That came outa nowhere
Look not great tbh, feels like normal paints would probably be better
Hi
Speed paints but with added bullshit.
You made a 70 mm model look like a 28 mm model... And also she looks black, not asian.
please ability multi lenguage autotrad
🔥🤘❤️👍
Day 4 of asking for a Quar/T'au kitbash!!!!
Ehhhh.... this one is a miss.
I really disklike Speedpaints.
Stop making the same bloody bases every time. Rocks and kitty litter w glue, boooringg
Looks not cool.
Sorry Jay, are you using opaque in place of transparent? Opaque means not see through and transparent means see through.
Great video as always 👏. I got the STLs for this set and will try your glazing method with my speed paints.
Edit: nm, nailed it in the second half.😅
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