Punching Holes in Drum Heads for
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
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Ben and Cody from Sounds Like A Drum hit me up to do one of my favorite things, put holes in stuff 😎 We all know about the Evans HD Dry snare head, but we wanted to expand on the concept and tested out vented tom heads. Well, those don't exist so we made our own!
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Punching Holes in Drum Heads for Sounds Like A Drum - DIY G12 Dry - Part 1
How will these sound?! Find on on Sounds Like A Drum's video!
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Just a thought ... rivets in the head itself?
*R I V E T S*
Edit: Snare head on a floor tom?
I need heads so much but I'm poor can I have that extra heads😢
This is really cool. There are a ton of great drum videos on UA-cam, but you and Sounds Like a Drum are the two I find myself watching the most (in addition to salivating over Memphis Drum Shop cymbal demos). Hope you guys collaborate more in the future!
You nailed it! It was a blast to work with you on this concept and these heads sound fantastic!
Nailed it? No he drilled it... did you not watch the video?
My 2 favorite UA-cam drum chanels on a collab 😍
@@rawali1 Drilled, nailed, signed, sealed, delivered!
This is a collab i never expected but am more than excited about.
This is already the best crossover of the year
"Head on over..." Dad joke appreciated.
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I needed this video like I needed a hole in my head.
Jokes about the Evans Genera are usually Dry.
@@strong_voice_of_truth *another lol 😂😂
You made the heads holy
The collaboration we have all been waiting for!!!
Thanks a lot guys! I liked it a lot.👍
Two of my favourite drum channels that arent centered around covers made a collab. I am happy now.
The best drum channels together in one place!!
The editing between the 2 videos is awesome and hilarious 😆
rdavidr: Evans’ new R&D department
this was something i thought about but really never thought it would happen, I've watched nearly all dave's videos and lots of the sounds like a drum vids too both are the sort of thing I'm really into within my drumming it's just a load of fun. honestly this has made my week!
Happy saturday everyone.
Laser cutting would make this very easy and accurate and make any kinds of patterns possible.
When your two favourite channels do a collab 😍😍
Awesome! Another of my favourite UA-cam drum people! You guys all know each other!
Drilling a hole they the center of the earth
Dude I’m so glad you guys did a collab!
Next Time try with a hot needle or a nail I've Made a remo drumhead with a hot needle and it worked fine
Yeah. I was wondering about something like a soldering iron with a fine tip. So heat it is then.
This is the crossover we needed
Coolest video EVER! I have been waiting and hoping for Evans to make their own dry versions of various tom heads. Thanks for showing them (and us) that it CAN be done.
I found myself watching sounds like a drum a couple weeks back. I appreciate the content they're producing over rhere.
Thanks so much! 🙏🏻
@@SoundsLikeADrum thank you! I hope you are able to keep the videos coming!
Used to do that to my P3's back in the day. Would just measure the spacing of an HD Dry and place on top of the P3 and use a pencil to mark the spot. I'd go over the marks again afterwards and just use a plain old thin nail and a hammer and punch them in. To avoid the weird raised edges I would hammer the nail in from the top side onto a piece of wood that I would just move around. Plain and simple, worked every time.
drilling holes came out cleaner when I have them on the drum with some tension
Love both channels, so happy to see this collab
I love this! Excited to watch part two over at SLAD!
Theres a few great tips here David! I'm thinking a hot nail would work too, kinda like a diy bass drum port hole with a super hot soup can (which I learned from you also lololol). But the leather punch was a great idea also. I love the HD DRY 14" heads on my snare but I cant justify the extra cost or lesser availability some places so i just get Genera HD heads and put a peice of frog tape on the drum with scotch clear extreme 3m mounting tape on top for muffling (its double sided so I just leave the top peice on the mounting tape so the sticky isnt exposed and it never comes off and allows me to stack the tape if I need more muffling and the extra stack very easily comes off again if I want it to). And the bottom layer of the frog tape allows me to easily remove the muffling to replace it if it gets dirty or if I just want a more open sound temporarily without pulling off the coating on the head. That muffling system has worked really well for me since the 3m tape has the consistentcy of thin moon gel. Plus it looks really clean and my very real OCD is triggered by dirty inconsistent muffling. I pretty much only use muffling on the snare (single peice) and sometimes a small peice on the floor tom reso when its tuned low to stop stray resonance from the kick drum (just enough to stop the interaction but not enough to change the overall tone). Anyways this was a really great video idea. I've considered adding my own holes many times to the cheaper genera heads.
Yes on the collab!!!!!!
My 2 favorite drum youtubers collab
I actually liked them better with the holes. Sounded brighter and had more attack. An idea for your hole punches David. Most punches are sharpened from the outside creating a slope of the metal to a point. That’s what is creating that flared hole. If you made your own punches where they were sharpened from the inside out, there wouldn’t be any flare in the hole.
Gotta be honest - think I'd use these on everything BUT the snare LOL, love how it kills some of the more obnoxious ringing from toms, but I love having an open [tight] snare too. C'mon Evans, where you at with these G2 dry heads???
Awesome, man! Around 2006 I sent an e-mail to Evans to ask them if they would ever consider making an HD Dry head for toms. I got a reply telling me no because the toms would be "choked" if they put those kinds of heads on them. I knew that was a load of bull I was being fed. They just didn't want to deal with a drummer's request for expansion of the HD Dry line. And 15-years-later I was happily proven right about my stance on HD Dry heads being put on toms. I just listened to part two on 'Sounds Like A Drum,' and it sounded killer! Thanks for this video, David. I've been following both your channels for years, and I hope you two do more great things in the near future!
Many moons ago I asked them for a sticker to my reso bd head and they told me it would muffle it too much. Next thing you know they came out with the emad reso lol
I must admit you guys have the best drum channels
Thanks Bill!
After watching 👀 the 2nd video + all the other ones you've put out I've determined that you are the Eddie Van Halen of drums. Rock on Dave 🤘 thanks for your time
I did that with a needle and it worked well!!!
Always a good vid' from Big Dave... 👍
Love your content man, keep up the good work
I agree, your are a mad driller!
Try to get "Dental rubber dam punch pliers" for this job. You can get even holes in multiple sizes, cost around $18 on ebay.
Really cool
Amazing bro
A soldering iron with some sort of homemade depth stop iron would do probably the trick.
crazy!🥸
Hd dry is the best snare that I have rn
Cool... this is the earliest I've ever seen one of your videos...
Damn you are a scientist too?? Calipers and stuff, what can't you do?
Oh my god this video with metric system would have been 10 times easier to understand for me...anyway, the content is there and I say thanks for these great videos! More or less effort to understand it, they are awesome!
You make my breakfast great again.
Cody is so damn wholesome and I love watching him get excited about nerdy drum stuff
That is so epic.
I do this with BD heads too.
My idea for getting clean holes is to sandwich the drum head between something like pieces of plywood or maybe acrylic, and clamp those down so the drumhead material has really good support. Then use really sharp quality drill bits, fresh out of the box, possibly the kind made for drilling stainless steel. Alternatively, you could grind them yourself, especially if you happen to own a Tormek drill sharpening jig or something like that, to ensure they are really sharp. (Not to turn this into a Tormek ad but they do have some great videos on drill bit grinding. Their expensive grinding jig probably needs all the help it can get to sell... anyway, I digress.)
You could even experiment with different drill grinding angles if you have a sharpening jig since the factory angles are optimized to be OK-ish usable for a wide range of materials and last a long time for maximum customer satisfaction, but they are not be optimized for cutting as-clean-as-possible holes into thin sheets of mylar. It stands to reason that other angles work better while wearing down the drill bit edges quicker, which is all the same to us here for this.
And maybe do the actuall drilling on the drill press.
Can you cover a drum head with flex glue to see if it dampens it or if it makes it like a practice pad
I use a heated knitting needle for this.
Before I switched to Evans fully, I did this to the Remo snare heads and to my kick drum reso head (I got this from Russ Miller), Im planning on doing the same thing to the Onyx batter head as Evans doesn't make black Dry heads.
My first thought was to chuck up a piece of brass tubing of the appropriate diameter and drill. I've had success using that in leather and pleather. Anyway, cool stuff. Thanks as alwasys!
you could try melting the smaller holes using a rod the correct diameter and just heating it with a torch. Or use a different style drill, one without flutes and only does the actual cutting on the head of the drill might leave a cleaner finish
I do it to my snare heads with a hot nail, technically the holes are melt, not punched or drilled. This way you can make really small holes
I made holes in several drumheads myself already years ago. I used a revolving hole pliers. That's why the holes are situated closer to the edge.
('Closer to the edge' could be the sequel of the famous Yes song and album.....🙂)
Great colab I watch both channels and this is awesome.
Keep up the cool concept. Try some other drummers too haha!
think if you melt the holes through with the punches or go over the holes with a paint stripper / hot air gun after there done you get a thicker edge around the holes that might help prevent stress points where the head might tear from
I'm late to the party so this might already have been mentioned but I tried venting bass drum and tom heads by melting holes with a heated pin. With some practice it went very well and created nice and even holes. Practice on an discarded head first! Should also work with a soldering pen with adjustable temperature but the tip might have to be thinned to custom size.
Maybe using a heat gun for a few seconds on the 1/16th hole with the punches could remove the dent? Either way, wouldn't it go flat once the head is stretched out on the drum? The drilled holes look like a tear would be likely to start from the hole... really experiment, heading over to pt. 2!
You could try heated a nail that's roughly a 1/16" to make the holes cleaner.
Cody what the hell are you doing there ,but that's pretty cool cuz I watch both of your channels. Well after watching you weren't there after all just as well he would have put you to work ✌ Dave
Somehow I missed this when you originally did this. I really wonder what it would sound like to do this method on the snare bottom head.
The best way to make holes would be to use a punch-a-hole set if pliers for leather. Like for belts? Ever seen ones? I have one of those at home, they have a moveable head with different diameter cutters...
for the really small holes, you could try heating up a pin or a nail then punching it through. might not get wavy looking that way
I could be wrong about this but I think Gene Krupa use to punch little holes into his heads to dry out the overtones and give a cleaner sound.
I think maybe a combination of a hardwood backer, punching from the front, and using a smaller hammer so you can hit softer might do the trick for the small holes. Alternatively, you could try chucking the punch in a drill (ideally a drill press) and spinning it so it cuts out the hole, again using a hardwood backer. Maybe even just putting it in the drill press (turned off) and using it to slowly push through instead of hitting it with a hammer might reduce puckering.
Cool stuff. How about leaving the batter heads alone and porting the resonant heads instead?
and for comparison, play a 12, 13 in tom and 14 in floor tom with standard hd dries
My first thought would be the tensioning placements matching spacing and number along with the size scaling.
Burn with soldering iron.
You did a clean job as always
Would this help my 7" deep 24" kick drum? It's not vented and only lightly damped internally.. Mostly used with 5 Roto toms live outdoors
They really sounded great! Wouldn't be surprised if Evans took notice and released a batch to see if they sell...
I have 12", 13" and 14" snares...wonder if they make at least a 13 HD dry?
They've got 12/13/14" Genera Dry and HD Dry and then 13/14" ST Dry. Would be cool to see them do one of their beta tests of something like this though!
6:41 Maybe try melting the holes with a soldering iron? (Wear a respirator tho)
I make my kick drum port holes by heating an old coffee can on the stove and using its rim to melt a circle into the head. You should try that with your punch to keep from getting those raised edges.
I'm the 5nd comment! Good thing you're still drilling/puching holes into things.
Indeed
How am I barely seeing this!??
Hot rocks
I did this to a G2 a while back and it was the only head to ever sound good on a Sonor 2005 snare
At least one other person has already said this below, but I'll articulate a bit better. NOTHING works better for making holes in drumheads than a very hot metal object in whatever size hole you are looking for. It will go through like a hot knife through butter. Seriously - take a propane torch, heat a nail to almost red-hot, and it will make the cleanest hole in any drumhead. Just make sure you're steady and going through at 90 degrees or you'll get odd-shaped holes (use a heated nail in a drill press for consistency). If you want to make a perfect hole in a bass drum head to port it, use a clean, large old soup or tomato sauce can, put it on your stove element to heat it evenly, then with with your oven mitts on, very carefully pick up the can and place it on your bass drum head where you want the hole and voila... you have a perfectly round hole with no jagged edges. Just make sure you do this on a concrete floor or some surface that won't get damaged when the hot soup can touches it! I've even used a chunk of heated copper pipe to make half-inch holes around the circumference of my bass drum reso heads (DW does this) so I could get the benefits of some additional venting on my bass drum without a big hole in the front head.
Maybe you could try next time heating a nail or a drill bit for the 1 mm holes. But you obviously have to be careful and precise not to make a bigger or uneven hole when moving the nail in and out. I don't know if that works better but this just came to my mind. Great video btw!
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I know I’m a year late, but I wonder if putting the 1mm hole punch in the drill press and drill it that way would work better? Or maybe the pressure from the spindle would be enough to pierce the drumhead really square to a hard surface.
Would using a heated nail leave too much of a lip on the exit side or no? Ik I've seen you cut kick ports with a heated can and seem to remember a remember a clean hole. Might be a technique to look into when doing this.
I can’t find a circle grid like that anywhere. Where can I get one
Thx
What if you used a hot hole punch to melt the holes? Kinda like when you use a hot metal bowl to port a reso head on a kick?
Maybe using the black of the 1mm and heating it up?
It might have worked better to heat the end of the punches so it can melt through I’ve seen this done with a kick drum port hole. Nice clean holes.
Hi David I really like your channel and videos.
If it is possible, a DIY RTOM BLKHOL14 Practice Pad Black Hole 14" would be cool!
Cheers from Belgium!
Have you tried heating up the punch with fire and then melting the hole?
Was any math considered when doubling the size of the holes when going to the next size head?
Put loads of rivets in a low volume cymbal
Try to make holes in the tom's resonant heads to put a mic inside like in a kick drum.
We've done that one!
I used to try to DIY these too, but just used thumbtacks
What about a hot nail for the small holes?
Did you think about trying to melt the holes in. Just heat up a piece of metal that is the diameter of hole you want and push it through. Typically melts plastic pretty cleanly.
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That’s a lot of holes 🤣💋💄