Why so many people think they're an INFJ
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- Опубліковано 29 лют 2020
- Why the 'rarest personality type' appears to be, by far, the most common of all.
Thanks to Kiara Kerrick for the subtitles!
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Ni/Introverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of internal world.
Ne/Extraverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of external world.
Si/Introverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of internal world.
Se/Extraverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of external world.
Fi/Introverted Feeling - Subjective codec; internal emotional data & harmony.
Fe/Extraverted Feeling - Subjective codec; external emotional data & harmony.
Ti/Introverted Thinking - Objective codec; internal logical order.
Te/Extraverted Thinking - Objective codec; external logical order.
Lens - Perceives data.
Codec - Rationalises data.
Convergent - Positive, creative, enacting change and seeking novelty.
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Mate! I think I know a billion people who needed to hear the fact that GETTING A RESULT ON A TEST, DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE A CERTAIN PERSONALITY TYPE. Great video!
Ahaha I 100% agree - so glad you also think this is a message people need to hear!
they even state that on the MYER BRIGGS test lol.
My INFP mom got mistyped as INTP on the test because she thinks logical is good. Based on cognitive function, she’s iNFP. I see Fi all the time and no Ti at all. She tells me that she daydreams about Micheal Jackson and her together but I told her that he’s already dead and she’s like noooooo. INFP being INFP.
When she’s stressed, she thinks back in the past and her feelings last time. Fi Si loop.
There's a funny mocking video which says "Hi, I'm INFJ, I'm the 1% of pupulation of the world but 99% of the internet lol. 🤣
I need to find this video!
Part of the reason so many seem to be infjs is infjs are fascinated by personality, most other types are not.
@@Coneman3 makes sense.
Beautiful comment :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory same bro
When I first found MBTI, I loved that label. After a few years I think the label is limiting. It is better to understand self and find better ways to improve than to slap on a label and call it a day.
Couldn't agree more with this sentiment.
I found the MBTI personality test really helpful. For the longest time, I had so much difficulty understanding myself. I could solve other people's problems - but why not my own? I was in a constant war with myself. Why am I acting this way? Why do I think this way? Am I a bad, selfish person? These were questions that flooded my mind all the time.
After finding out about MBTI, I've been able to understand myself more and become more lenient with myself.
MBTI should not dictate your life, but rather take it more as a tool to help yourself and others to further improve our understandings of each other and ourselves and use that as a starting point.
@@rhiannn3416 U R preaching to the choir. BTW, my comment isn’t a diss or a turned back to MBTI. I simply don’t like being labeled like many people do, from blood type, MBTI, to what house they belong to in Hogwarts School. This is the side effect of being a forum moderator at a MBTI site, seeing first hand immature people using the label to attack or belittle others.
@@33Jenesis Ah, I see. In that case, I can see how it could be bad. I hope there aren't people out there parading their personality type's "rarity" and treating it like it is superior or something stupid like that, but it probably does happen.
Here are some great comments when the people who have developed their personal growth discussed. Whatever the label we found at first, it helped us much to understand self-awareness and self-acceptance more and more, hug our deep thought and heart. Myself is enough. I'm proud of you. Let's grow together, pal. ♥️
Actually I've read that the INFJ type is no longer the "rarest", and has been overtaken by both ENTJ and ENFJ.
With ENTJ being the "rarest" and ENFJ being the second rarest.
As an INFJ this makes me happy because now we might finally be left alone by the people obsessed with the "rarity" of the type.
Maybe they'll realize they're ENTJ's now all of a sudden.
It all depends on the data. The latest MBTI (aka test results) figure has the ENTJ as the rarest, which is fantastic as, like you say, people will gradually stop consecrating the INFJ!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory could you link this source please? I would like to take a look at it
Interesting. Well I’m sure the infjs out there r SO happy I think...
@@Ray-cr9wg oh and I would also like to see it
Can I have a link to it? I googled it but all the forums I got still said infj is still the rarest. The other problem is, most of the test results are take from 16p and other popular online test type which I heard can give you an incorrect type.
I’m an infj, but I love concerts and loud music. However, only if it’s music I love otherwise it drives me insane.
Control and volition :)
Same
same
The big 5 tests your mental state.
MBTI tests your approach and preferences.
Jungian Psychology tests your thought-process.
Socionics test your interpersonal interactions with other types.
I believe the top two can be misapplied quite easily, but can definitely see a core of such applications!
Last year one of our profs had our class take the 16 personalities test. Nearly everyone came out NF with only maybe 5 people who didn't. I remember thinking yeah this is very misleading. Some of these people, I knew there was no way they actually had those cognitive functions.
The way you described an infp here, I related to so much. Hope you're feeling like yourself again after your food situation, Harry :)
Thanks Melanie - yes I find these recurring situations completely crazy!
And, cheers, had a few setbacks recently (the food poisoning among them) but I'm in a much better place now :)
Hope all's well with you!
Lol dude I can just imagine walking into that class and telling my prof I did this before when I was younger and got INFJ and then when taking the test I got INFP but deep down I've done the study and research and knew I was an INFJ.. I'd just oof. I hope I never encounter a situation like this
I made my students do the test an a few of them scored ENFJs and one of them INFJ. One of the ENFJ was in reality an ENTJ or ar least an ESTJ. His Te is so obvious.
@@Ignasimp I think one of the main reasons most of the class came out overwhelmingly NF was because it was an arts and humanities program too. Also the way those 16 personalities questions are worded can be quite misleading, and people were like, I'm in this program I must be this. Not necessarily lol. I got INFJ on that test almost exclusively and I'm not. My biggest clue into that was how bad my Se was. Fe wasn't great either. Even in my videos, there is so much Fi-Si storytelling and I don't really even realize I'm doing it.
It's the same with INTJ on 16p. If people ever meet an actual INTJ with their super unconscious Fe and convergent Fi, that tune would change very quickly. I've only met one person like that and it's almost unmistakable.
In fact, a meet a "type example" would be pretty interesting video series, with actual people of that cognitive type. I'm not sure that people understand that being an high conciousness intuitive of any type isnt all its cracked up to be.
I know what you mean.
Actually, I intended a while back to do some 'meet x type' videos, where I interview friends in real life. I postponed the series as I needed additional equipment and manpower to do it effectively. Also, with a one upload per week schedule I would not be able to do many, but nonetheless this is something I am still considering :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory this would be great!
Well, ironically enough, it's mostly these INFJ's that think they are INTJ...
The INTJ born in a family of feelers knows how to communicate harmoniously lol
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory hi Harry if you ever do this I'd love to be your ENFJ spokesperson. Man would people get a surprise that I'm not this lovely smiley person building bridges between communities lol. Sure I like people but more on a 1-1 basis & Im very selective with who gets into that group.
I've only ever gotten INTJ or INFJ on those online tests, but neither type ever really felt right to me. After looking at cognitive functions for not very long at all, I came to the conclusion that I'm almost definitely an ISFP type. I am never out of touch with my feelings, I always know what they are and why. And I am always aware of my environment, and perceive it accurately. I notice details, and I've been told my memory is almost photographic. This sounds like Fi/Se to me. I could never relate to the descriptions of INTJs and INFJs about how flummoxed they are by their feelings, or how detached they are from them. I've never asked myself 'how do I feel about X". I always know, usually quite quickly, and I cry and laugh easily and often. Furthermore, the description of Ni just never seemed all that crystal clear to me, so if it was my first function, I feel like I would respond to it more strongly.
As much as the S types seem to be sort of looked down upon by 'intuitives', the ISFP type is the one that seems like a proper fit for me. I think I should have an accurate assessment of my type, even if it isn't one of the 'cool' ones, if I hope to get anything out of this at all.
The ISFP type is an underrated intuitive in so many cases, being intuitive in a completely different manner to, say, INFPs.
Ni-activated ISFPs, such as presumably yourself, often mistype as INxJs too!
Sound like and INFJ to me haha
Sick type, glad you found the true answer!
I think this is another difficulty for any sort of self-typing. There are certain functions that are just “cool” or written in ways that people will want to have. Sensors in particular get the short end of the stick in almost every type description, either because they sound boring (istjs for example) or stupid meatheads (ESTP). People will always be drawn to things that tell them they’re smart and unique and caring over being dumb, boring, and uncaring.
9:37 "... channels and people that propagate stereotypes based upon cognitive functions aren't doing the world a service." This is very revealing. It is somewhat an elephant in the room statement and I am glad you have said it. I see another version of it also type shaming. XYZA is "bad" because of this. Certainly isn't doing the world much of a service either.
It seems personality traits and cognitive functions are not as strongly correlated as I might want to believe. My OCEAN score has me with high OEA which is what I would expect of an ENFP though it might not correlate for all ENFPs. In the past when I was suffering clinical depress I certainly would not have had openness and extraversion expressing. During that time of life I typed INFP, 25 years ago. I also wonder if I changed over time.
None of my friends or acquaintances think much about typology. No thoughts about the functions and with that somewhat a challenge to access if typing is accurate. I know two more people that recently typed INFJA via 16personalities. Both appear quite extroverted though this maybe my assessment of their assertive behaviour and that I have a bias. I do not know if they are correctly typed as we haven't sat and discussed it. It might occur with one I get to dive deeper into this.
From your study and discussions I have changed my thoughts of MBTI as no longer a measure of personality much at all. I view it more as a framework of the inner workings of our minds, a scaffolding, and that significantly more factors are involved in personality. These assemble upon the scaffolding such as intelligences, sensitivity, family of origin, life events, appearance, race, religion etc ...all these are going to be significant in causality of the person anyone becomes.
We are myriad and nuanced. I wish people used these ideas more for understanding an individual's significance with a focus towards empowerment and wholeness.
I am particularly bothered by the type policing that goes on, feels wrong on many levels. I avoid them as I never feel good watching them.
Thanks for the wonderful comment! As you say, there are so many nuances to personality that assigning a code based upon behaviour alone just doesn't cut it.
Cognition, in terms of our natural predisposition, remains fixed, but the behaviour amounting from this cognition changes dramatically as we develop and change.
INFJs APPEAR to be extroverts because they are chameleons who can blend in. If you want to know if they are true INFJs then look and see if they are drained after dealing with people.
4 and a half minutes in and havent seen you blink once
I really need to work on this blinking thing!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Yeah! Learn how to human better!
wrong! i saw him blink once at 2:40
It's a sign of psychopathy 🤷♀️
I once was sitting at the train station waiting for my train after a long and somewhat weary nursing night shift, totally lost in and happily roaming my Ni world and starring at the rails without notion of anything around me. An elderly woman came up to me and asked if I was alright. She had observed me for a while and said I had not blinked for seemingly eternities. She was worried I might be suicidal. It caught me off guard, I had no idea my motionless stare would be worrisome to other people. Also, I usually blink a lot and I do not notice when my blinking starts to shift to hibernation mode, appearantly caused by going into full mode Ni...
Really appreciated this lady's active caring concern, though.
Bottomline, the mind may lay a role, but not all non-blinkers are psychopaths or suicidal. May just be hyperfocused or semi sleeping Ni doms.
You're really good at breaking down this stuff. I'm glad you do these videos!
Thank you, that means a lot!
So many people always want to be special that it makes the special people want to be normal!
I'm a living example of those tests being seriously flawed, including that oh so scientific Big 5 one. I tested 41 times INFJ so far (including on the Big 5) but I knew without a shadow of a doubt that that was wrong. You pointed out, quite rightfully, that I might be an extrovert and surprise, surprise, all those tests were behavior based. Behavior is a survival skill, not a personality indicator. (btw, I know I'm doing these video's in the weirdest order... lol I'm trying to catch up :p )
This makes a lot of sense. I've always been more intrigued with the cognitive side of mbti, not so much the behavioral side of it.
When I was younger I used to take advantage and influence others with my ability to come up with random universal theories on everything, so every time I would read labels about how INFJs are natural born counselors and advocates just ready to save the world, that typing never resonated with me. Your definition of what it means to be an infj is much more accurate and relatable.
Thanks for the great comment!
INFJs are rare because Ni is usually interpreted from Te not Ti. But INFJ uses Ti instead of Te, which is interesting. INFJ stare is very awkward. My mom always think opposite of what am I think and literally accuses me of something I don't want to. Lots of people told me that I have beautiful eyes with...creepy stare. Lol. I even got phone numbers from guys just because of my gaze. Girls thought I was lesbian because of my gaze. Hahaha.
Most of times, I even don't know what am I feeling. My mom is ISFJ and she always tell me that I have mood swings. I had no clue about it. I guess I was using Ni too much. Ni isn't necessarily everyone expects to be but it can be interpreted as "nothing" and it's mostly in unconscious part.
I used to be mistyped as INTP and INTJ on tests before I studied cognitive functions. I realized I had developed Ti. Mistyped Ne/Te users are actually Ni-Ti users because Ni mostly works with Te (INTJ) and Ti mostly works with Ne (INTP). There is flexibility in Ni-Ti which is one of reasons why do INFJs get mistyped as INTP or INTJs. INFJs also get mistyped as INFPs if they are artistic rather than academic. INFJs may be judging type but they are actually perceiving based on Ni-Fe. That's why they seem to be agreeable in conversations even if they disagree indirectly.
All good points!
Haha, the nice eyes with creepy stare comment is something I receive myself!
When bearing in mind how one Ni-dominant's Ni can be 'lower magnitude' than another things get even more messy :)
@crescentmoon Understandable. Some wouldn't admit it because of Fi. Lol.
I don't have a Twitter or any social media account. I will check out my Google account.
6:09 "I'm sure you yourself are a rare, amazing individual..."
Uh how much do you wanna bet?
'It depends what you mean by rare and amazing' *strokes beard*
How do we know (at this moment in time) cognitive INFJ's are actually rare? Which cognitive source claims this and how do we know this source is even right?
I agree - there's no chance cognitive INFJs are as apparently common as behavioural INFJs, but the 'data' is based upon an instrument with a 50% success rate.
From my own observations, INFJ ls are pretty rare, but I find the 1% statistic unlikely.
@the world's pettiest pastor Do you mean me, Te user?
@the world's pettiest pastor How do real INFJ's know they are rare? How do threy know they're slightly more rare than a lot of other intuitives?
Rarity is the reason why do INFJs feel like they don't belong to the world and try to fit into it. Like I always been different from everyone in my family, school, college, society and community. That's why I felt like a rare breed. I hated it very much and I tried so hard to be what others are.
INFJs knows that being rare is a curse. Most of them would say that they are not special when everyone calls them special. INFPs would say that they are special when everyone don't call them special.
@crescentmoon Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you an INFJ? Do not make those generalizations about INFJ women. We are not the "ideal" feminine type. Honestly, INFJs get idealized way too much. That's one of the problems. We're described in rosy terms and then everyone wants to identify as one--which minimizes our existential pain. I've heard it said, and tend to agree, that INFJs can be rather cold--not great maternal types, if such a measure could be used to evaluate femininity. I don't think we make the ideal woman or that any man should feel ashamed to be typed as one.
Love this conversation chain. You guys are such nerds. Finally people who talk about MBTI intelligently.
You just cleared up years of collected confusion for me :)
This is exactly what I hope to hear! :)
Wow, loving your videos. I'm a huge INTP, and you're making the most sense of anybody I've heard talk about this subject. The dichotomy between behavior and cognition is often unrecognized, and this has led me to mistype on several tests in the past. I carry so much uncertainty about myself, but I think that's just my inferior Fe speaking!
Cheers for the awesome comment! :)
I feel such points need to be said more for sure.
Thank you for this!! I am a legitimate cognitive type INFJ and when people I know take the 16 personalities test and score that, I’m just like “my friend, I really don’t think you’re an actual INFJ. I know you well enough to know you just don’t seem to be an INFJ.” And I tell them that 16 personalities actually utilizes the OCEAN model but slaps on MBTI personality labels (for what I thought was marketing purposes). I never knew all the details to explain to them exactly WHY referring to 16 Personalities can lead to mistyping of actual MBTI personality types.
I hear that! Cheers for the comment & I feel your pain!
Oh, I’m the first to tell people they aren’t an InFJ.. it irritates me to my core. Lol.
I think that alot of people aspire to be like an Infj. That's why while giving the test they tend to think of themselves in that way, and mistype themselves
thank you so much, I was thinking about why is INFJ so common amongst people who have taken the test for a while, this really helped me understand^^
Thank you, I'm really glad it helped!
Interesting video and I’m glad that you’re clarifying the correlation between 16 personalities and the Big 5. As I may have mentioned in the past, I noticed some of the similarities. As for a more deliberate conscious Ni, that I relate to more. Maybe some of it was subconscious at first. After learning about it though, I consciously use it a lot and everyday. My INTJ significant other is the same way. In fact, one of the things that we love about each other, is that we both naturally understand each other when sharing our Ni observations (hidden meanings and patterns). I run into quite a few people online that don’t necessarily relate to my experiences.
Thanks Jaime! Yes indeed, conscious Ni in a dominant role has a deliberate nature to it, and so often doesn't match the hazy unconscious descriptions of the function found across the internet.
I also love the INFJ-INTJ intuitive bond - many, many differences but sharing a dominant function definitely puts two people on a similar wavelength.
Great overview. I think it's good that people know the differences in the systems, especially when some piggyback off of others like in the case of 16P.
One small distinction though in terms of terminology is that Big 5 is a "Trait" model, not technically behavioral (in that it measures a specific trait in a quantitative way). Your description of the behavioral approach though was very good in how it differs from the cognitive approach. Another reason 16P is so wierd is that it applies not only MBTI terminology but also behaviors to measured traits. It's a bit of a mess, it cant decide what it is. The original Big 5 measurements did no such thing and didn't attribute behaviors to catagories of scores. The only one that's really done that decent is Jordan Peterson's in which he applied very general behavior descriptions to quantitative typologies of each score (such as very low through very high).
Either way, great video and an important discussion. I am hopeful more people will decide to view things from the cognitive approach in the future.
Cheers man, glad you enjoyed it!
I'd like to discuss in more depth with you at some point where you believe trait ends and behaviour begins. I certainly wouldn't allign the Big 5 with cognition to the same degree as cognitive functions etc, but I do see where you're coming from, especially in regards to the behavioral percentages and stereotypes of 16P.
We should chat again soon!
Just here fangirling over this awesome exchange ~
@@cinderling5472 yeah imagine that.. INFJ and INTJ not exploding to each other..
I'm open to being anything at this point.
No one really has any definitive evidence of any of this anyway.
Indeed, at this stage of this science we must rely overly on anecdote and corresponding theory to our perception.
excellent explanation, definitely cleared up some of my doubts regarding extroverted feeling and how it behaves cognitively
Thank you for this video. I am a 53 year old man that only recently took the personality test to discover I was an INFJ. I found it very insightful and that led me to explore a whole lot of new things and I believe I have become a more authentic person as a result. I was shocked to discover how many INFJ videos there are on UA-cam. After a watching a few I tuned out but this one got my attention. After watching it I searched for the cognitive test to see if my result would be different as you suggested. I did several different online quizzes to discover that I tested as INFJ on some and INFT on others . the questions were much harder to answer on these as I found myself struggling with the options as I felt I could choose several different answers and still be true. I agree 100% that you should not try to be what anyone tells you. But I also think that from my stand point it has helped me to embrace and explore aspects of my personality that I had tried to block out in many ways. So there is value in that. I always knew I was different but I didn't truly value it or understand it. I believe that it is rare personality for a reason but none the less important to contribute to the overall fabric of a society . I would suggest to other INFJ types don't shy away from leadership if it comes your way.
Cognitive tests seem to still be in their early stages, as they are often based upon what I consider to be a limited understanding of how the cognitive functions actually operate. Cognitive type is far better determined by independent research and consultations :)
Thanks for the great comment! Agreed on the leadership point too.
You seem like you're such a different person from me but yet, every single point you make hits really deep. Fascinating stuff to think about. Thank you sir for sharing your thoughts. 🙏
Super good, thanks. Initially, I did multiple (free online, x 16p) tests and was NOT happy getting this INFJ thing coz I'm a great thinker! I only started to soften when ET mentioned the Ti logic. Horizontal Ni/Ti churning is so naturally pleasurable and provides obvious solutions to planet/people's problems.
Agreed! Thanks for the comment :)
This video has been very enlightening. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos.
My pleasure!
thank you, this video was really enjoyable!
Everyone else sorta fits in, so I try to, too and I lose myself in the process of fitting in.
Great video.It makes so much sense now that you said that Infjs are quite conservative with their Se, I had never thought about it in that way before.
Thanks so much - oh yes, conservative but so often times efficient in expenditure :)
yay this video is great! I've been bugging out because so many of the INFJ videos seem to talk exactly about my experience as an ISTJ. Being super exhausted socially, feeling weird like no body understands you and not wanting to know anyone unless you can know them completely on a soul to soul kind of level. All IxTJs feel like that too. Of course we want to help our friends with their problems and downplay our own emotional needs, that's Te protecting fragile Fi. In the MBTI community, though, IxTJs get stereotyped as being overly analytical and severe as if anyone in your life who's ever made you follow a bogus rule is an ISTJ. Stop abusing the Fi children 😂
Thank you for saying this! So very few people understand this side to the ISTJ, partially owing to Fi being posited by many system's as the type's 'third' function.
CPT perceives Fi as auxiliary to the IXTJ's dominant function!
excellent perspectives, rhetoric and presentation
wow. Thank you. This makes me feel much better about being odd. Most of my experiences go like this: I try to share something I see, recognize, perceive, feel, and am considered a rebel against the status quo or negative or insightful but strange, and sometimes simply wrong. And then as time goes by, usually starting about six months but as far out as five years, people will return and tell me they were glad for what I asked or said because it led them to a better place personally. They will also share that what I said would happen actually came to fruition. Sometimes, this gift scares me, but it always feels like a burden. At least so far. And don't get me wrong. I don't claim to be able to predict the future or be brilliant or that anyone should consider me the answer to anything at all. I simply see patterns. I spot trends. I feel rooms and energies. And often, what I sense connects with something else, and with something else, and I see an opportunity, or a danger, or an assumption that needs to be challenged or tested. Most people don't seem to want to think about these kinds of things, and I think a lot of the times, there is an underlying unspoken belief that a woman shouldn't be the one seeing or saying. If I was a man, I would be more believable.
I resonate with this experience a lot! Being ahead of the curve in some respects, and planting seeds that may only come to fruition years later, can be unrewarding in the limbic sense compared to more instant gratification, and it can be very difficult to find a way for such a gift to bear fruit sooner rather than later.
I agree on the gender comment - in many areas (within areas) of the world we still have a very long way to go!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory you get it! SOMEbody gets it. Wow. Thank you. I am trying to return to the job market full-time after years away due to health decline. Trying to quantify these abilities is just impossible.
This is so interesting! I hope there are more informed UA-camrs talking about this topic since the MBTI is popular in internet culture and YT is popular especially with young people, it definitely needs more clarifications. I’m INFJ behavior and after I watched this video I took CPT and got ISFJ!
Wonderful!
Thank you, I really hope so too!
1 in 5 women are ISFJ!
@@anncokafor I wrote my comment probably a year and a half ago, a lot have happened since then… Idk if I’m an ISFJ anymore haha, anyway I’m a woman
My grandma is Isfj
That explains a lot. Thank you for putting this in a proper perspective. I had no idea there were two different tests. This may explain my confusion about why so many INFJ's have similar traits to my ENTP. And why I see so many of them. I've heard your type is close to 1% of the population, but that just didn't jive with what I've been seeing lately. I recently made a mental note to watch some of your videos. Good stuff!!
Thanks James - both for the comment and mental note :)
Re: ENTP, I see this time and time again, and this (alongside the ENFP vs ENTP confusion) makes me question whether the ENTP is closer in population % to the ENFP than the current data suggests!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory I find the entp enfp difference very interesting from a politcal point of view. From what I've percieved in politics, especially in modern liberals (talking about U.S. democrats mostly and people following a similar ideology. Alternativly european greens). They seem to often have, in their argumentation, a very fi-te approach. And what I mean with that is that they usually have a value (mostly being humanstic which leads them to want to save the refugees, be feminists etc.) And they usually search for facts that back off their values instead of looking what logicially makes sense and is the best approach to solve problems of the whole society (which I'd see as ti-fe approach). Generally speaking I'd say fi-te will often look for a value and back them off with facts and ti-fe would rather take a logical approach to solving general problems of society.
To me it makes therefore sense that there are more enfps than entps because you need lesser innovaters for the general public. Fi takes a more personal approach and therefore tends to be more concerned in solving problems in a smaller frame.
A study about cognitive functions and politics would bei actually rather interesting. Maybe the with a few more sensors in the government, our countries might work better as they are more likely to stop talking and start doing things, like Greta Thunberg would wish ;)
@@taugamhorrsod8972 Very, very interesting observations. I largely agree regarding the Fi-Te expression in such political climates.
I would say many ENTPs who are more Fe-oriented will not necessarily make as much of an impact/have as much of a voice on the political playing field, and I do believe many ENTPs are so understated and private that they can be hard to discern, and that many such ENTPs don't necessarily have much reflective Ti dialogue :)
I'd definitely love to further explore the relationship between type, political engagement and the effect of type on political attitude.
Thanks for such a great and insightful comment!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Well I honestly thought entps are like the most cliché in parlaments (honestly a study about that would be great (I always find intersting subjects that someone should make a study about lol)). I think the devils advocate/debater stereotype holds definitly some truth. Again in debate situation you have to quickly respond and therefore quickly understand another persons perspective (quick pattern recognition in the external world, so exactly what ne does, ti checks for logical flaws in order to dissolve their argument.) However being a good debater is not always good to leading a country. And an intuitive whoe doesn't ratify those ideas and is more so the talker than the doer might not always be the best as well. At least not in the amount we have.
But I really appreciate someone liking my observation, thank you ^^
@@taugamhorrsod8972 I'm such a troll when it comes to politics. I think it's because It exercises my brain and it's one arena where I usually can drum up a debate. I'm personally very conservative, but I don't identify with either democrats or Republicans in the US. I can gladly take people through a worm hole of logical associations to demonstrate how our political world is not what it seems.
The average person I run into is so unequiped to unravel the truth, that the best I can give them is a roadmap to how they can discover it for themselves, leaving it at that.
The system is simply rigged to divide people. And therfore, it seems simple minded to accept one party over another based purely on ones partisan viewpoint. Take global warming for instance. Both sides have been programed with propaganda as to obscure a greater reality. And that's pollution. Pollution and chemical poisoning will kill us off faster than CO2 ever will. You see, pollution is a concern that would unify everyone. But taxing the world based carbon and conflicting science is much more polarizing.
In my mind it would be difficult at best to make the MBTI political connection because I think we live in a contrived matrix to keep the controlling oligarchy in power. Sure it's interesting on a purely superficial scale, and not without merit, but it bores me to tears because of my awareness.
Harry has a great video on the empathic nature of ENTP's. It doesn't take me long to pick up on the general mood of a person or group. I recognize the emotion, although I don't think I internalize it like a I think some INFJ'S seem to do, although after this video I'm wondering if it's the behavioral or cognitive. The difference may be what I do with my information. My life was once rife with obstacles and I spent a vast amount of time working through each one. This gave me some empirical knowledge and insight on how to problem solve a myriad of problems. I became an RN and learned more about human behavior hands on, giving me further information.
So I help people traverse what ever difficulty they may be facing by offering a perspective they may have missed. Its logical to try to help people avoid pain. Misery loves company, and helping one person can prevent the ripple effect that a person in pain can generate.
By the way, if your a true ENTP don't go into nursing. You'll get in more trouble than you can ever imagine. If you think the average ISFJ in nursing respects honest evaluation, think again, lol.
Feel free to analyze my assertions and opinions a under a MBTI microscope if you wish. Yeah, I'm shamelessly baiting further discussion, unless someones a sensor, in which case you likely have moved on
Thank you for making everything clear to me that I am indeed an INFJ when my first thought was what if the test is wrong, the questions are very vague. My doubts have back-up about the test and they were clear in regards to my objective core nature.
When I was younger I scored an INTP and didn't delve too much deeper. When I took the test again a couple of years ago I scored an INFJ and dug into the cognitive stack loophole and found answers to things I thought were just me. Being highly aware and overly distracted by others emotional states. Doorslamming jobs, friends and family with zero regrets. Seeing clear paths for my future and others futures. Not caring about hierarchys or my "supposed" place in them. Your videos pointed out how I prefer to tinker and self teach. I'll listen to peoples problems and it sucks out my soul but I endure this misery for some kind of greater good. I like to understand everything with my own reasons because then I can apply it elsewhere or everywhere. I do think everything is connected or there are energies that govern things that mankind doesn't have the tools to measure yet. I'll have a really painful ugly fight with a loved one if it means I don't have to have the same fight 5 more times. I don't think I'm special and I am constantly struggling to not freak out all the time. So when I give my friends the 16 personality test to use because it's free I always send them links to the cognitive stack to see if it resonates.
Hey I have a question. Can an intp also door slam someone? If they find someone toxic to them and hurt them until they experience the emotions, would they?
Idk I just came up with this question
Interesting. I have always thought of Big 5 as more of a temperament test than a personality test. I took a Personality Psych course in the 90's that of course covered both tests. But I had no idea the Big 5 was being used/perceived as comparable to MBTI.
Indeed the Big 5 is a trait-based model and more comparable to temperement to personality - it does irk me that it is being employed as an MBTI-substitute!
So many need to hear this
Good stuff Harry. I think I'm up to 7 different scores on personality tests now lol, I'm pretty sure the 'IN' bit is right but I get a bit lost after that, the big 5 arn't much better either, just reading the wiki page for Conscientiousness I find it full of contradiction to me personally, I can plan stuff to infinte detail sometimes so much I don't actually do it, yet I can also be spontanious; If I'm making something I can spend far too long preparing, researching, sharpening tools, getting everything ready down to minute detail, and the finished thing has to be perfect, but my office is a mess of half finished and not even started projects, I could spend a week clearing out my workshop (painfully) but within another week it'll be a mess again! I'm sticking with INFJ for now, it's helped me understand the Ni-Ti loop I tend to get into, and trying to get out more around people (not not too many people) definately helps me feel better (playing open mic nights) I prefer an acoustic stum around an intimate campfire than a concert, in fact I've never been to a concert, I shudder at the thought of crowds that big!
I agree completely! I'm not a fan of dichotomies or big 5 scores - as you say, the variables are completely context-dependent. In one setting we can be extraverted and not another; we approach one area of our life in a conscientious mannet, and neglect another.
Online tests aren't going to give people a consistent personality type. Study of the cognitive functions, however, can make us aware of our cognitive predispositions, or 'cognitive type' :)
I was all in, less than one second I hit the like button, usually have to watch the whole thing and think about it then re-think it, weigh weather I would regret the choice in the future (LOL) but the first second on its own was like worthy without the rest .....which was awesome also, Beautiful clarification of who's using the different systems. MBTI has various long and short versions of test and similar systems use the MBTI coding but knowing the 16 personalities uses the Big Five test with MBTI codes was like Yes that's what's different about that one! Of course!
Wow, thank you so much! Awesome comment, much appreciated :)
After doing a test for cognitive functions as well as a lot of research into them and how they manifest in their different positions in cognitive stack, I'm pretty sure I'm INFJ and it explains so much about me... But contrary to many people I never got INFJ on 16 personalities, I was always stuck between INFP and INTP and it was so confusing!
Thank you for explaining why the 16 personalities and similar tests work the way they do, I really appreciate your clear way of speaking
Thank you!
THANK YOU!
Thank you!
I appreciate this clarification. Thanks
No worries, thanks for your comment!
INFJ's try to analyze everyone that comes cross their paths but more often than not from a parent to child point of view (this is what I think & this reminds me of.) They use tons of analogies which is great for counseling others. The beauty of Ti from the 3rd slot gives us just the right amount or thinking for a solution that is not as direct or possibly offensive as an higher Ti user could come off at times unconsciously. Feelings ? What feelings ? Most times us INFJ's have no clue about our feelings unless someone who knows us well informs us like my ISFJ wife tend to do for me but you're feelings fear not we all ready know. An cognitive INFJ will relate to this. I love how you used your Divergent Fe to express that in this video now hopefully those still confused are closer to understanding more of...
Totally! Thanks so much for the kind words - likewise, I hope this clears up confusion for many people :)
You addressed all the issues and inconsistencies that I had observed on the other sources and that I had ruminated all this time on.
From what you said I kinda of have the same cognition as you presented.
One more thing, is this a use of Fe when you observe another person behaviour really meticously and then you observe some inconsistencies in it, and then you overthink what the cause could have been to the point where you will have clinical depression?
Because like you have said, sometimes I'm not that attached to other people's emotions or my own. I just try to make sense of them and what their cause could have been and then I ruminate a lot on how they could get resolved.
Most of the time I try to suppress my own emotions but sometimes I can't.
Also, you said that Ni isn't always subconscious. For me it is conscious(less than before as I lack concentration now) and subconscious.
Also, how the INFJ Fi manifests it's self in stressful situations. I asked this because with thinkers I just want more emotion and understanding(from both us), while with feelers I became more analytical and critical.
Can you give me some more signs of an INFJ cognition than those mentioned?
Anyways, great video! I started to think that I'm deffinetly an INFP, but this video established a balance in my available data.
Thank you! Re: depression, there is too much information and variance for me to make a blanket statement, sadly.
As for a more thorough explanation of INFJ processes, I may visit this more in depth in a later video :)
I feel like this is an important video for anyone doing these tests to watch.
I was very puzzled by the fact that both my wide and I got the INFJ type even though we're actually very, very different people. This video cleared a lot of the mystery up for me.
Determining exactly which cognitive group I fit into was quite the challenge, showing strong behavioral traits of INTJ, INFJ, and INFP types. It took a solid study of the function stack to establish myself in the cognitive INFJ camp. From there, all the other behavioral traits made sense when tied back to the stack.
Indeed! Behavioural traits can overlap with multiple different types, but cognition remains consistent :)
Spoken like a true INFJ! ;-D
I feel like there is a reason that the majority of people have Introverted Sensing as one of their top three functions. CPT (and other systems) has enhanced my ability to appreciate the functions that I tend to not prefer to utilize. Society definitely needs non-INFJ's! XD Keep up the great work, Harry :)
Introverted Sensing absolutely rocks - as you say, society is infinitely better off for having so many people capable of reflecting upon previous experience and honing in on the finer details us Ni doms might miss!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Agreed... *sigh* Lol
People in the comment : I totally agree with you. As an infj myself....
That's incredible
Love what you did there 😂
I think it’s bc INFJ’s are the only people who can tolerate this type of analyzing, theorizing and hypothetical discussion. 😅
Thank you for this video! I myself am infj-t in the myers briggs, but would find myself not necessarily to fit a number of things from the stereo type. Some of my scores even came colse to evening out, like feeling vs thinking, intuition vs sensing, turbulent vs Assertive. I rarely feel someone else's emotions as my own completely, but when it does happen, it's very intense and lasts a while though never too sure how long it would. Usually, if I do take on someone else's strong feeling it can be because I couldn't allow myself to accept such a feeling exists in the other person because it is so negative and wrong in some way, so it's like I'm subconsciously taking it on as my own and all I can do is feel weird bc I don't feel like myself. One time I simply walked into a room cheery and soon I was already feeling awful, as if somoene snasppenfnigesr adn made me feel that way. I noticeddit was very much bc of the guy behind me in the class, he wasn't doing too great. However, most of the time, I don't just take on emotions in an immediate setting and usually see situations and emotions objectively, analyzing it to the point where I know exactly how a situation should be viewed appropriately, perhaps melding together several perspectives into one that includes them all. I would very much say I am an INT-Fs in terms of the myers briggs cognition.
Exactly - behaviour fluctuates according to mood and circumstances, and such mirror empathy can manifest strongly in one setting and not another :)
Thanks for the great comment!
Nice choice of words for the message
Thank you :)
Thank you Harry!🙏❤️
My pleasure :)
hi!! your content is amazing! i'm obsessed with mbti and the cognitive functions. could you do an isfp vs esfp video? or esfp vs estp?
Now it makes complete sense why I didn’t understand the description of the INFJ in the 16 personality types.
I honestly didn’t relate to what it said about INFJs.
But I do find myself agreeing to other INFJ descriptions from other sources, witch elude my mind right now.
Also from what you have said in this video I completely agree that I’m also a behavioral INFJ, or is it cognitive?
I still learning.
I am most definitely going to be watching those other videos at some point so I can learn more.
Also thank you for explaining this because it definitely cleared up a lot of confusion.
Glad to have cleared up confusion :)
INFJ descriptions are wide-ranging and varied, but not super reliable on the whole.
you are really underrated!
Thank you!
I finally know why exactly it always annoyed me when on the personality tests where questions like: "Do you often meet with your friends?" (if so, you're an extrovert) or "Would you rather spend time with a lot of people or alone with a book?" (if the first you're extroverted, if the second you're the opposite)
I was really aware of such things, because there are many, many reasons why someone would chose a certain answer (in that case e.g. not having friends, anxiety which can happen to ANYONE). I was annoyed probably because of my sad social life experience.
Anyways, it's a pity that so little people know about the CPT stuff. I discovered this which your channel after half a year of being obsessed about gathering more informations about MBTI and now I have to forget almost everything when I learn CTP in order to understand certain concepts.
Wish you a nice day! (whoever is reading this)
Brilliant!
I think I might just follow your definitions of an infj, I felt like a black sheep because of infj description it didn’t make sense until I heard about cognitive function, it made more sense but was confusing yet simple and short that it can’t be disproven so I didn’t focus on it and just tried to watch videos to disprove I’m an infj, I found some to prove I’m an infj but you clarified it
Yes. Great video
Thank you :)
Really interested in how many people are attached to this type, it makes me wonder to what extent this could be the case for cognitive INFJs, and what the mechanism for this is... I’ll have to think more about this in my own case, although I feel less attached to the label than others seem to be, but I could be playing tricks on myself. I’d be interested in more about this, especially in so far as metacognition plays a role.
Thanks so much for your wonderful explications 💕 I'm so happy to have stumbled upon this channel, and can't wait to share this particular video with the many 'behavioural INFJ's' I know hehe.
Still, a question: is it really not possible to experience the outer world as dreamlike or at least hostile?
Thank you
Honestly, I don't really care about what type I get. I just want to be able to understand myself and others.
It would be nice if there were reliable studies out there so people can understand themselves better and why they act the way they do or respond the way they do to certain stimuli. Keep up the good work.
This video has just confirmed me as an INFJ. I can't thank you enough for clearing the confusion.
i do a mix of withdrawing and trying to solve the underlying condition, and relating to the person and experiencing their emotions as my own. sometimes i either avoid the first because i know someone doesn't always want "logic", or i do it in the background to gain a better perspective of the person and what they're going through but i don't relay it back to them. it's hard to say which is more prominent though because feeling deep emotions is so intense to the..soul i guess, that it can feel a lot stronger and more often experienced
Sounds like Thinking may be in either convergent auxiliary or oppositional position :)
I repeated the 16personalities test(and a few others) quite a lot of times (before I learned about cognitive functions and CPT as a whole) and each time it gave me either an ISTP or an INTP. It is hilarious because I am most likely an INT-Fs (agency subtype) lmao.
I realized this only after going through your ebook and various discussions on UA-cam here and honestly I think this "typing" system is extremely effective as it corresponds perfectly with the fluidity of the human mind itself. None of these online tests seem to talk about the cognitive functions or their maps, the very base model of MBTI which is fine but the amount of labelling, heck even shaming on some types, due to what are essentially stereotypes is extremely unproductive and inhibits individual growth.
Your explanation is very useful!!
I always got ENFP on 16 personalities no matter how many times I did it, (a few times ENTP or INFP but I have done it so many times that I can remember most of the questions lol)
I tried fitting myself into it and searching on why am I different from the known ENFPs, but still outwardly made myself ENFP for almost 3 years, justifying it by websites saying not all ENFPs are the same and some are introverted etc
Later on, a friend told me I seem INFJ, so after lots of searching and understanding the cognative functions I am still not totally sure but 95% sure I am cognitively INFJ
The rare part still makes me hesitant tho.. despite not meeting people similar to me I don't feel THAT special, I think every individual is different and it doesn't have to be because I am rare or sth
Anyway, I have always thought of what you've said but failed to explain or organize it,, now it makes me less sure about myself but it helped me a lot, thank you xD
Thanks for the great comment! I have had similar experiences, but for me it was more of an ENTJ thing :)
Wowww I received Ni dominant on cognitive function test, but I received intp, enfp, and infp at different times from 16 personalities and didn’t resonate fully with all of them. Now knowing it’s based on big 5, that makes soooo much more sense. My big 5 score tends to be low on agreeableness, high on openness, and low on conscientiousness. Makes so much sense why 16 personality is so much different than my cognitive function score. Actually correction: my conscientiousness score varies .
Also, while I haven't done the OCEAN test, I got the result INFJ when doing the "sixteen personalities" test, and from what I've read and understood of the functions I also have the NiFeTiSe stack-order in cognitive functions.
If I do a "proper" MBTI/Ocean test or a "proper" Cognitive Functions test, I might get more conclusive evidence, But I've felt like I've read and heard enough anecdotal descriptions of what the cognitive functions feel/are like, that I'm pretty convinced that I'm INFJ.
I've had my doubts though, but none of the other types seems to describe me as well as INFJ. I'm not ENFJ, ISFJ, INTJ or INFP, which were the ones I felt like I was closest to.
Not that any of this *really* matters, you are more than your type after all, you can be INFJ and be completely different from another INFJ in all the ways that matter. You basically only share the same base "operating system" (I'm pretty firmly on the Congnitive functions side, and less behaviour).
This video was really interesting and cool though, because I hadn't thought about how there are several 'perspectives', and how they can affect the ammount of a certain type's existence.
I'm a big fan of the operating system analogy! I largely agree :)
Cheers for the kind words. Many of my videos serve to encourage individuals to give another type a chance before jumping on a bandwagon. It does sound like you're likely an INFJ though (operating systems leave cues)!
Thanks for clarifying. I took The Big 5 Personality Test and confirmed that I am both a behavorial and a cognitivie INFJ.
One thing I find that people dont often tend to consider is the level of integration of their shadow. The less integration you've gone through, the less self aware you actually are, and the more likely you are to be mistaken in your classification of either means. You will always have unconscious content to unpack, but the more you have to be sorted, the more you are a puppet to desires and behaviors you dont know exist, and thus more likely to be someone you wouldn't recognize from an outside perspective.
I do agree on a vast swathe of what you've articulated; nicely put.
Excellent points! So much of our behaviour stems from an unconscious place, and, as you say, the more of these influencing factors outside of the realm of consciousness the less we will recognise, in our conscious perception of self, the persona we actively exhibit.
Hello Harry,
I guess you've been kind of hammering this message since you started the channel, but today's phrasing brought much clarity to me. 👍
Here's my question to you, though : if there is no correlation between behaviour and cognitive functions, on what clues does CPT rely to type somebody? (It seems to me that cognitive processes are by definition, internal, therefore not visible to an outside observer).
Cheers, Claire
Hi! Indeed, this is a topic close to heart :D
There can be a behavioral overlap, but it is inconsistent and cannot be relied upon, especially not in regards to extreme stereotypes.
CPT relies largely on a person's honest response as to how they process information, but also analyses the way a person responds to the question. These combined can provide a lens into whether a person thinks, say, intuitively and feels, in this instance, specifically :)
I suspect I fall into the category you describe here. Specifically, I usually score INFJ-T on 16personalities, just as you said. I think I need a better understanding of the theory to type myself accurately since much of what is said in many of the type descriptions is true about me.
Haha, judging by what you say through to the end of the video I think I may actually be INFJ, especially what you say about engaging with highly stimulating real-world experiences. Still, I'll look into it more. Great video.
Thanks for the great comment!
Resonating with that last point would certainly make it more likely you are, for example, an INTJ, INFJ, ISTJ and INFP than other types :)
I test as both INFP and INTJ depending on the test.
However, my cognitive functions are undoubtedly INFJ. This video helped eliminate any doubts that I had.
Also, I'd like to point out that the cognitive stack of an INFJ lines up really well with the criteria for "high-functioning" autism. INTJs and INTPs also can closely fit the criteria.
Thank you so much for the comment! Interesting observations.
Glad to hear the video helped eliminate your doubts regarding your true cognition :)
I have noticed that it is true that a cognitive infj will likely be a ntj behaviourally, primarily because they need to conserve energy.
I often find this to be true!
Thank you for informative video. You helped a lot. I suspected that 16p is not 100% accurate and now I know why. I had INFP score on 16p but later when I did other tests I was scored INFJ.
Thanks for your comment :)
How is it likely or logical that cognition has no influence on behaviour (at all)? While it indeed seem a stretch that a certain type of behaviour *must* mean you have a certain type of cognition, the absolute opposite idea where they're portreyed to not be related at all, just as well seems a stretch. Even if you do not know how they're related and to which degree, they could still be related in some way.
Also, just because there are many INFJ's on the internet while the idea is that they're rare, does not automatically mean both these things *could* not be true, as you portrey it to be. It could be that certain types could gravitate more towards typology and the internet more than others. That idea does not seem super unreasonable.
The thing is that it is always interesting if someone makes really bold and absolute claims in a video like you do, but generally if you make such bold claims, it works better if there is enough explanation/theory/logic/examples to support these claims.
As usual thanks for the well reasoned analysis!
In my videos I tend to present two binary extremes in order to a) serve as contrast and b) encourage people to take a different perspective.
It is of course possible for people to receive an IOAC score and be a cognitive INFJ, and while my comment on the unlikelihood of these scores coexisting is largely to encourage many mistyped people to ask questions they may otherwise not, it is something I hypothethise to be correct. I am not saying it is impossible, but I do suspect it is unlikely.
In terms of cognition and behavior having absolutely no overlap, this would be a ridiculous insertion, but the overlap isn't half as significant as it is made out to be. Cognition and behaviour cannot be completely seperated from one another, but nor should people leap to conclusions about behaviour based upon cognition.
UA-cam is something of a challenge, as concessions must be made constantly. If I covered every base, took time to thoroughly explain each assertion and kept my claims entirely moderate, the videos would be longer and far, far less engaging.
I am interested in reaching people with messages questioning what I consider to be rigid and unhealthy understandings of what type is, while introducing a more fluid system that empowers people more than it restricts them.
Thanks again for your continued engagement and well thought out criticisms :)
After reading this a second time, it is important to add that I had, very early on into the video introduced, MBTI as the system attempting to blend behaviour and cognition together. As I said in the video, this system has a 50% accuracy rate, which, while not entirely reliable, does provide evidence of a small overlap between behaviour and cognition. Can it be used to accurately determine your type? Not in my opinion. But to go to the polar extreme and argue there is absolutely no overlap between behaviour and cognition would be ridiculous, for which reason I never made this argument in the first place.
My argument states 16P and tests like it has nothing to do with cognitive functions, while acknowledging MBTI has found some (albeit unreliable) overlap between cognitive functions and behaviour. This small overlap cannot be relied upon to determine type.
In addition, with INFJ-T, I have Blood Type A-, Aries and Ox Zodiacs and was diagnosed with two different ASDs.
The intuitive bias, in part, exists because the subject is abstract; it is therefore of greater interest to intuitives, who tend to dwell in and seek out abstractions. INFJs are common in community in part (small part) because genuine INFJs have Fe, and are more inclined to seek out community. The thinkers, especially the Te thinkers, could care less about community. Others are, of course, over-represented as well. INTJs certainly are.
Thanks for the clarification. I've always wondered why 16 personalities seemed so far off. It has consistently given me an INFP result even though many other tests, including cognitive function tests, have given me INFJ as a result. After reading more about the types I know I'm definitely not an INFP and I'm almost 100% positive that I'm an INFJ. I think it's misleading that 16 personalities uses the same lettering as MBTI, yet they're not using the correct theory. To me, just throwing MBTI concepts on top of the Big 5 test is rather deceptive. If they wanted to do their own thing, I think they shouldn't have hijacked the MBTI for their own purposes. It just confuses a lot of people out there.
I agree, it could definitely be made more transparent!
I also get INFP but I don't identify with the INFP description, and after studying the functions I think I’m INFJ
The others can't help but business is boomin' 🤷🏻♂️
I'm an infp watching this to see whats all the infj hype about, i got a kick out of his infp descriptions. I'm pleasantly suprised.
is there an actual cognitive test? If there is I'm guessing it can't be as simples as a quiz on a web site or it would be around, but id be interested to know how it is done.
For me now, I score INFJ on the net tests and seem to line up with the cognitive functions as well. Hell, that whole process you describe of taking in a landscape, making connections, understanding the relationships, designing a solution within a framework in order to improve flow and resolve conflict. I just did that in relation to my work this weekend, at home on the couch on the Easter long weekend.
That's wild. I'm a "self-diagnosed" (via online tests) INFJ, but I have never felt myself to be particularly "agreeable." On the contrary. I'm highly judgmental and vocal about my judgments and uncompromising. But I very much have all the other INFJ traits: introverted, intuitive, feeling, empathic, creative, lover of beauty and sincerity, etc. I have no patience or tolerance for disingenuous people or insincerity in any form, and I am very vocal about it, which I find people generally find off-putting. I do not feel "responsible" for anyone's emotional state, and while I can "feel" others' emotions, I do not "share" them.
Oh yes, as I said I estimate about 10% of people who receive this highly popular result will have the corresponding cognitive functions.
While the dichotomies can be aligned with the Big 5 to some degree, the F/T dichotomy does not fully correspond to Agreeable vs Disagreeable, no matter how much some tests will try it force it to do so.
The 16P test is one such instrument that will give a F/T score that doesn't necessarily correspond the the MBTI dichotomy is claims to be scoring.
Other tests may be more faithful to MBTI and therefore give a Feeling score regardless of disagreeableness.
same
this is why online test are a bad thing along with self diagnosis.
I recently had my male ISTJ and female ISFJ friends who are a couple take the 16personalities test and the male ISTJ came out with ESTP while the female ISFJ came out with ESFP. They are so clearly ISJs so these results were not correct at all. I thought about this for a while and realised that many people simply answer the test as people they would like to be and come out with their "aspirational personality type" which is why Is are attracted to Es, Es to Is, Ps to Js and Js to Ps. Most recommended compatibilities for all types (STs, SFs, NTs and NFs) recommend an extravert to an introvert and vice versa, and a judger to a perceiver and vice versa. Perhaps it's also that my friends think like an ESTP and ESFP but present themselves to the world as an ISTJ and ISFJ.
Ahh such things happen far too often! It becomes more annoying when people consecrate the test giving them such results as a kind of authority, without necessarily realising their own biases when answering the questions.
And then there are the regions in which behaviour and cognition can be blurred, as you say!
Go to their rooms. If stuff is rather cluttered, they are probably a P type.
J types have scarily clean uncluttered personal spaces, not even a tiny bit of clutter unless they live with some P types.
@@LittleSparklingStars I'd urge caution when applying J/P dichotomies - I know plenty of neat and orderly ENFPs and an equal amount of untidy ENTJs :)
Cognitive Personality Theory I can see an ENFP being tidy but I cannot see a healthy Te dom be untidy. They constantly organize their outer world, so instead of ever making a mess, they just keep it clean. P types without any strong Te function tend to be in a cycle of disorganizing their world and then cleaning it up because you gotta be a responsible adult. That or stuff just stays a mess.
It’s true it’s probably not the rule but you see this quite often. Their spontaneous personalities can be reflected on their personal spaces.
That’s what I think.
@@LittleSparklingStars Depends on subtypes and conscientiousness can always change throughout your life anyways... but i do know quite a few Te-doms who are very much the opposite. Very untidy and disorderly. Not what you necessarily call a "J" type.
I took the cognitive test and behavioural test and for both got INFJ , I’m not 100% sure we should be labelling ourselves as anything because I feel there are things missing and this may lead to stress about identity and not feeling valuable.
We our told from a young age we are uniquely different and 1 in a million and all of a sudden you find out you’re common , that can not only be terrifying for someone to find out but also deeply saddening .
I personally have been going through a lot of stress because of the popularity of the type that lead me to make my decision to be impartial to it , but not fully because I still value the idea of being able to say who I am.
I think you are correct on your analysis because I found one person other than myself that has both cognitive and behaviour of INFJ , hopefully this clears up the confusion of people miss typing themselves.
Fair point! I view types as more general areas many different cognitions may inhabit, and the codes should as such be taken with a grain of salt.
It's definitely hard to get the balance right, and in this society that places such emphasis on individuality I understand why people may look to external constructs such as type code to assist with the huge undertaking of identity construction.
I do believe such things should not be relied on and may very well restrict us if not handled with care.
Cheers for your comment!
Cognitive Personality Theory No worries, it’s actually refreshingly rare to have such an in depth conversation on a platform such as this so the feelings mutual.👌👍
I actually took a few different tests that split me down the middle of 2 types, on 2 tests I got infj, in 2 other tests I got infp, I've been learning about infjs for 2 years up till this point n know I wasn't mistyped but tbh I kinda wish I wasn't an infj, thank god its almost completely irrelevant irl so my type doesn't really matter outside of the internet which is a relief
Now, that was super interesting🤔 So, where can I learn about actual cognitive functions and not all of the other diluted stuff?
Just looking at that concert video overstimulated me xD
Hah :D
I think you may have covered this in another video, but just to state it again: Big Five not only isn’t a direct correlation to cognitive functions, but also is more complex than say, 16personalities would lead you to believe. Each Big Five trait is broken down into up to 6 facets (depending on the version) that tend to group, but not in every case. For example, even in JP’s 2 facet version of the Big Five there is considerable ability to diverge from the predicted correlations between facets. For example, Agreeableness has two facets - compassion and politeness. It is entirely possible to score as very high on compassion and very low on politeness, or vice versa. How then do we formulaically lump people with contradictory facet scores into the 16 personality model? The answer is... you don’t. Cognitive Types guy, while I understand your frustration with all the misinformation and mistyping of the INFJ on the internet, (I made a video about this myself - I get it, I do) there are no hard and fast rules. I think your Model is interesting, and I support you in its creation and dissemination. However, one thing that I would like to see you acknowledge is the hormonal differences between men and women, and their subsequent effects on behavior and cognition. You say in a few of your videos something to the effect that a cognitive INFJ won’t be so emotional. I think you will agree based on your background in psychology and neuroscience, that hormones do affect/color cognition, and certainly the behavioral manifestations of cognition. As male, you are not as subject to hormonal cycling, and thus cannot really make a blanket statement that INFJs are unemotional, and if you are, you must be another type. INFJ females have just as much PMS as any other type haha. Also I’m not sure we can say that epiphanies are the product of unconscious Ni. An INFJ can live in the Ni cognitive Kaleidoscope, and also have random epiphanies from time to time. I agree that the subjective framing of what constitutes an epiphany obscures it’s importance to type, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. We’re so much more complex than type will allow for. Just something to think about.
This is an absolutely excellent comment - thank you for this.
It can be very, very difficult to package such multi-nuanced realities into a UA-cam video and it does frustrate me when I cannot cover all the bases and relevant exceptions.
Perhaps I didn't communicate myself well in previous INFJ descriptions - the Fi element pertained more to an unconscious Fi rather than one that lacks influence and intensity. I believe a theoretical disposition is present in both males and females, but also acknowledge, contrary to my binary descriptions, variance can exist across all people of any given type.
But, yes, I do believe the differing makeups (biological and otherwise) do affect how cognitive type manifests. However, I do not perceive this in a binary manner, as even while some type variations are more common in one sex than another this does not mean the variation cannot occur in either sex. I also believe this remains somewhat unknown territory, and until we can exactly pinpoint the differences in sex behaviour/cognition that are non-programmed I'm hesitant to make statements on how the average cognitive type of one sex differs to another.
I agree regarding the epiphanies of a conscious Ni, and my statement pertains more to the consistency of non-deliberate/non-directed Ni conclusions.
Once again, thanks for this great comment - I can't disagree with any of this!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I agree that youtube is a difficult medium for long comprehensive all-encompassing explanations. Picking at the minor details of an overall solid theory is what the comments section is there for, I guess :).
I figured out that i am INFJ-T recently, and started searching about it. The more i got to know about my personality, i panicked, like people know about my deep feelings & how i process stuff, it is no longer hidden. And still wasn't sure if i am INFJ, so i browsed every data available in the internet, And it made me feel like i was not peculiar afterall.
Wow! It gave me serious anxiety... Is it just me or every INFJ's feel the same way?
Thanks for the comment! Type discovery and understanding the implications is most certainly a journey :)
Tbh I'm the opposite. I feel extreme relief when digging into congtivie functions, it explains so much about the way I am. Before there was only "There must be something wrong with me" and now it's "oh yeah the door slam, that's why I cut people off. Oh yes, the grip stress, oh yes, so it's apparently normal for INFJ to feel like an inherently horrible person!"
Like someone opened my eyes, pointed at my struggles and said yeah you're weird but it's a bit different weird than you thought and now that you know you can go do something about it.
I don't care about being peculiar. I care about understanding myself.
Yo question would appreciate your answer
What do mean on the cognitive infj part I can't quite follow the scholastic language
I'm sure I'm an introvert just not which kind of an introvert
I do want to know who I am I have an identity crisis
Same with INTJ. I still keep getting this result on 16p site even though I've found that my cognitive functions 100% are TiNeSiFe (INTP), not NiTeFiSe. I just have plans for the future and make to-do lists lol.
Tbh I was happy with myself before mbti n if I wasn't aware of bein an infj before then I doubt it will effect me if I'm not an infj, but I am, and its unfortunate for me, mainly because ppl say "infjs want to make the world a better place for everyone to live in" and that's just not me, this tiny blue n green ball in space is so full of corruption n hate n chaos that I have no desire to help humanity out, sure I enjoy helpin ppl if I can, if they deserve it, but an entire planet??? No, hell no, I dont have the infinity gauntlet so idgaf, besides tryin to fix problems in this world is like diggin a hole in the sand in a desert n hopin it won't fill in a few secs later, me as an individual has no desire to help when I know what little I can do wont even stop someone from bein deleted, forget bein an infj, I'm an individual consciousness 1st and as an individual consciousness watching the world burn without any way of puttin out the fire I honestly couldn't care less about humanity as a whole, I mean yea they've got alot of good but the bad is so extremely bad I fear humanity is lost, so in all honesty I wouldn't mind if I wasn't an infj, but I am, and I have to watch the world burn, hopefully this is my last incarnation
I judged my type from looking at my cognitive functions. I'm a rather disorganized INFJ who struggles with routines so in the most 'MBTI' Tests including the 16 personalities I test as INFP. the only test that I actually got INFJ on is the one by Cloverleaf. I heard the Cloverleaf questionaire is actually based on cognitive functions unlike 16 personalities. Do you know that one?