I dont get how piccolo can get so strong in the 3 years before the androids, but not make even more significant gains in the 7 year skip before buu. Its one of the reasons I cant accept him being weaker than Shin.
Mind you piccolo is whole again after merging with kami so he should be wayyy stronger than how super did him, hes well above buu level before the super hero movie, after obtaining orange piccolo form hes god tier now about s s blue level
Maybe he hit some kind of Plateau or a state where is progress is vastly slowed or stopped until a great Change is made like to his training or body like merging with kami
@jeromesutton2960 you would think once he became the Nameless namekian he would have a ton of room to improve. In fact, he gets his potential unlocked in the super hero movie.
@@Jakedasnake0426 Power Levels aren't scaled with AP/DC feats in mind. More or less just telling people "who is stronger than who?" Although personally I think these power levels don't really work since I actually do believe that the Human Z Fighters should be stronger than Mecha Frieza by this point.
Goodness, I’ve been waiting for something like this since I’ve began watching Dragon Ball Z! Your Post-Namek power levels are genuinely the greatest and most thorough I’ve ever witnessed. Others were always comically too low (some had Super Perfect Cell just 3 times stronger than Full Power Namek Frieza, which is absolutely insane). Most were reluctant to assign the characters with power levels exceeding the billions by the Cell Games, much less the trillions by the Buu Saga. Truly appreciate the time you’ve devoted to something so elaborate! Thanks and Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your loved ones!
Hope you had an amazing Christmas NewMrLiberty777! Thank you for your generosity, this was a wonderful present upon checking the comments. I appreciate you!
Goodness, I’ve been waiting for something like this since I’ve began watching Dragon Ball Z! Your Post-Namek power levels are genuinely the greatest and most thorough I’ve ever witnessed. Others were always comically too low (some had Super Perfect Cell just 3 times stronger than Full Power Namek Frieza, which is absolutely insane). Most were reluctant to assign the characters with power levels exceeding the billions by the Cell Games, much less the trillions by the Buu Saga. Truly appreciate the time you’ve devoted to something so elaborate.
Great video! Thanks for all of the editting and visual references. Combined with your logic, this system works well is a valid headcanon. Idk who else agrees, but for me, you're putting into words and numbers what i already intuitively felt about the power scaling throughout my years of enjoying Dragonball. Thanks again for the effort!
DBZ fans are gonna loose their shit when they find out Super Saiyan 4 is so so far away in power levels from Blue and all the stuff in Super😂 I mean even Toriyama said Nobody in the series will ever be more powerful than Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta
You missed the part where goku hurled a super dense block of kachintite. It was obviously heavier than the Z Sword based on the crater it makes and the snapping of the sword. Goku was wiped out from SS3 on Earth when he handled the sword. Its why he immediately asks to go eat after testing the sword.
18:53 theres a reason for this Power levels are exponential in dragon ball And this is Very Very consistent Goku back in og in korrins training was stated to get 10 of times stronger but his power only went for 120 something to 150 Now obviously this doesn't debunk the domination multiplier because they are power oevel based its stated that youust emit twice the ki to tank an attack that doesn't mean the attack is only 2X stronger it could be 50-100× but in a Power level sense its only 2 times. The reason for this could be the fact that ki is divided into Three parts And raising a single oart of it only Raises 1/3 of your ki. But also som exponentiality to it as well.
internet sites in the 1990s made so much more sense with the power level listings. At some point after 2007 things got crazy starting with Frieza and it went from 4M to 16M to 100+
@@Blaze-zm7zt back in 1998 all the power level listings for SS Goku and full power Freeza were about 4 million. Over time, it kept creeping to be more and more.
@@phoenix21studios the series literally states 120 million and 150 million, those sites in 1998 were just objectively wrong. You don't need to agree with the sayain scholar to see how those websites are wrong.
@@Blaze-zm7zt At the time there was no guide books or reference material and the numbers back then made MUCH more sense. I've been keeping up with the show for 27 years now.
24:38 The 22nd BUDOKAI TENKAICHI CHAMPION KI-KO-HO SON! Fully love the respect my boy gets. Great video. But you forgot to take into account the two types of ki established since The Piccolo Saga. Of good ki and bad ki. And literal differences white vs purple. 😅The multipliers for the grade forms are wild. Since several guidebooks state that ssj2 is only 2x the power of Super Saiyan. Which means neither grade 2 or grade 3 are 2x's. Grade 4 being 50 is completely wild. Especially since Grade 2 and 3 were created for the Androids. Grade 4 maybe being 2x and SSJ2 being 2x that. Since 4x is the literal range from the Saiyan Saga. Their bases increase crazy amounts by being exposed to the base level of the cyborgs ["androids"]. The transformations are stacked on top of their ever increasing bases. I know nobody wants to accept that Cabba curb stomps Super Perfect Cell. But he does. Lol. Their bases keep increasing the multipliers don't change their power that much anymore. Grade 2 is probably 1.5x ssj and thus 75x base. Grade 3 probably 1.75 or 87.5x base. Grade 4 is 2x at maximum 100x. And ssj2 thus is 200x Gohan's base. The rage boost is ACTUALLY it's own power according to Dragon Ball Super Trunks saga. But the blue animated ki around him is also an anime exclusive. It's safe to say the rage boosts are the hybrids using their inherent bad ki and having both from being raised on Earth. Since that's what divided Kamicollo's two ki's that he literally split evenly at first. Vegeta even goes from using negative to positive and ultra ego BROUGHT BACK HIS PURPLE KI!!!!! The now three ki's are more and more relevant. Good, bad and god ki are all confirmed existing things that we have to account for. Cell is actually both types of ki and then artificial ki is introduced as it's own separate confirmed thing. Even Beerus bragged about it in Dragon Ball Super. S-P Cell through SP Cell all use three types of ki established through Z. Buu with hindsight introduced god ki. So if we're going manga only. Then that should have been accounted for thanks to the Moro arc. Math is so fun. But the bases are so crazy. The math is so much crazier when two or more ki's are used. Crazy.
What a Christmas gift! I’ve always wondered where Gohan was at when he finished training with the Z Sword and before Old Kai unlocked his Mystic Form. I think Gohan’s Mystic Form is much more than what Goku and Vegeta’s would have been due to Gohan’s hidden power still not fully maturing (and it can maybe be argued that because people aren’t fully grown until about age 25, Gohan’s hidden potential still had some room to grow, albeit probably not much) even after the Cell Games. I also wonder how much stronger Vegeta, Goku, Piccolo, Tien, Chiaoutzu, and Yamcha would have gotten from Elder Guru’s latent power unlock ability. The Kikoho is so cool. Such a huge multiplier although the drawback should be that it kills you but oh well this is Dragon Ball.
Awesome power levels. So basically a hypothetical BuuHanTenks (Super Buu + Ultimate Gohan + SS3 Gotenks) would be sitting around 656 Trillion? Would have made for an awesome fight vs Base Vegito's 574 Trillion!
I love what you did with gohon's potential unleashed, giving it a 1.75 powerboost. It would explain how ssj2 teen gohan was stronger than ssj2 teener gohan. And when he does awaken once again when buu awakes, dabura is scared shitless. The math be mathing
Using stated power levels only, I think we can calculate Krillin's power level. Krillin went from 206 to 1770 in the Saiyan Saga. that's an 8.59% increase in one year of intense training, knowing there is a big threat on the way. In his fight with 1st and 2nd form Frieza the provided materials put Krillin at 75,000 after his complete power unlock from Guru. So using that math 75k x 8.59= 644,250 x8.59 =5,534,107.5 x8.59= 47,537,893. So Krillin in the Android/Cell Sagas was about 1/3rd of SS Goku on Namek. Not too bad for the little guy. Tien and Yamcha we don't have a lot to go on since we don't know how much the gains are from King Kai's planet. If we use the anime Ginyu Force fight we can use that same math to put Yamcha at about 10.5 Million, and Tien at 31-32 Million.
Vegeta's body on Namek wasn't destroyed. He was shot through the chest. When he was wished back, it was to his original body - healed which means he got a Zenki boost. On Earth, he should have been the strongest being there, Well above Piccolo
Even though you have SS2 Gohan (25th Tourney) a bit stronger than SS1 Vegeta (which I agree with), I would still put my bets on SS1 Vegeta defeating this Gohan due to his body and mind being trained while Gohan hasn't, his battle instincts will be rusty and not to mention physically his body probably won't let him fight in an enhanced state (such as SS let alone SS2) for an extended time.
Well I do respect the multiplier breakdown but if I was to make a PL head canon I’d at least use some extra source. 150,000,000 SS Goku last known manga big power level to Broly V-Jump 1,400,000,000 at least stay within that range when rating the Android Saga. I mean since they are all head canon a little extra sources doesn’t hurt if they come from some official ones
imo imo imo imo, i use a bigger multiplier for times skip. In the Saiyan saga, the Z warriors increased around x8 times each. Goku increased nearly x20 times. Some times we see bigger increases (Piccolo going from 3,500 to like 100,000 in a few days of training lol), some times smaller (in the 7 years of buu saga characters barely got stronger and only Goku surpassed Cell saga Gohan). However, i personally use this in my head canon for Z 1 year timeskip: No training at all = same power level or lower Small training = x5 increases Avarage training = x10 increases Special training = x20 increases I got Goku at the start of the Android saga at 22 billion lol
Bro i always knew gohan ssj2 was way above cell super perfect form. One hint was when he dared cell to battle and he hesitated. Then when gohan lost his arm cell had this whole new realm of confidence lol people keep saying.. "oh well how did cell damage gohan so much then if cell isn't stronger"? I just shake mu head everytime because they fail to remember that all of them can put ki into a single focus point and increase that many times over their own power. Cell put enough into that blast to get rid of vegeta plus gohan wasnt trying to deflect it he was trying to cover vegetas body with his own body no deflection of the blast meaning it crippled his arm because of it. Heres ankther example of them having to brace themselves and prepare for an attack before they challenge it... remember when vegeta lost it and went after cell because of trunk? Who else noticed that cell had to brace his body for vegetas attack? Ok there you have it lol
What is spc max? Is 588,000,000,000 his max which i doubt. Im pretty sure it was much closer than ssj2 gohan due to him being able to damage ss2 Gohan and zap half of his power.
Kibito fully healed Gohan, not sure why you'd think he wasn't. Dende was able to fully healed goku and i doubt dende healing abilities are on kibito level.
I think you're too fixated on multipliers, especially with the fusion. Daizenshuu states Gotenks surpassed Vegeta only after the time chamber training and clearly Kibitoshin is a non factor against Bu. Everybody, including himself, considered him useless against Bu, while even Vegeta wasn't considered that way. I also think Supreme Kai is weaker than that, Daima heavily suggests he's far weaker than base Goku, and this is coherent with his desire to jump on Yakon all together and with his reaction to base Saiyans. He has strong psychic powers with which he can stall stronger characters at SSJ2 level of power, but he himself doesn't quite have much strength. He also wasn't able to lift Z-Sword, he was the weakest Supreme Kai, but neither the strongest of them could, while SSJ1 Gohan did it without struggling that much. I know Supreme Kai should be stronger than Piccolo, but even though it may look incoherent with Cell saga, I think Piccolo wasn't portrayed as stronger than base Saiyans in the Bu saga, and this thing lasted until Super, when he regained some dignity only in tournament of power but especially in the Superhero movie. Babidy and Dabura considered Piccolo's and Crilin's energy to be useless but they had a great opinion about base Saiyans, Gohan included, in fact Piccolo and Crilin were petrified while Goku, Vegeta and Gohan weren't. And we can't even say that they considered their full power, because we've seen that when Goku went to Super Saiyan Babidy was surprised he was that strong. Even Yakon at 800 kili should be enough to defeat Piccolo, it's awful, but that's how it's portrayed, it's even internally coherent with Supreme Kai being frightened about him. Ok, we can say that no one there was expressing their full power, but at the beginning of the Buu arc Vegeta states with confidence he can win the tournament even without going Super Saiyan, and it's unlikely he didn't know about Piccolo's presence there. In Fukkatsu no F, Piccolo performs worse than a very rusty base Gohan, so that's it, I think multipliers are interesting in theory but when it comes to power levels they are too strict and would bring us readers to adapt the manga to make them fit forcefully. Toriyama himself stated that when he was writing the manga he didn't think of Super Saiyan as a real ×50 boost, but more like a ×10.
So you really think Vegeta and Trunks wouldn’t train to surpass 50% Cell Games Goku even AFTER sensing him power up? I think if Goku is a 100, Vegeta/Trunks is at least 60% of him but personally I have them around 70%
buu saga 18 scaling doesn't really make snese she was just shocked that a goofy looking opponent had that strong of an attack i don't think she's weaker than them
After dbz power levels meant nothing, we got roshi dodging jiren now like really? The man can barely stay alive after one mafuba attempt but performing something similar to ultra instinct smh
Only vegito1089 has the real power levels he got it from Akira himself broly legendary super saiyan full power 11 billion Teen Gohan super saiyan 2 73 billion!!!!!
There are at least two parts where you inflated the power levels. 1- when frieza comes to earth, the guys have no idea of how frieza was at full power on nameck, and originally frieza is just an idiot which has a fixed amount of power. He is probably almost at the same level as before, and he is there because he is (as I said already) a delusional idiot. Like that bully that comes back with his bigger friend to have a revenge because you humiliated him after school. In this case you raised his power, trunks power and goku power too much. 2) why you boosted majin buu so much??? Goku ssj3 is almost at the level of super buu, gotenks 3 slightly stronger, Gohan ultimate slightly stronger again, and then we have the buu plus absorbsion, which is just a plus. Kid buu in the end is the original less powerful but more savage buu. They are in this kind of scale: fat buu is a 0.7, goku is a 1, super buu is a 1.5, gotenks is a 1.7, gohan a 2, ultimate buu around a 3, vegito a 10, kid buu a 1.5 (very similar to the super buu or maybe slightly less powerful).
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I love the vid, I hope you cover the Superhero arc power levels.
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I dont get how piccolo can get so strong in the 3 years before the androids, but not make even more significant gains in the 7 year skip before buu. Its one of the reasons I cant accept him being weaker than Shin.
Probably because he trained with two people (Goku and Gohan)
@notreallymavy it's still more than double the time.
Mind you piccolo is whole again after merging with kami so he should be wayyy stronger than how super did him, hes well above buu level before the super hero movie, after obtaining orange piccolo form hes god tier now about s s blue level
Maybe he hit some kind of Plateau or a state where is progress is vastly slowed or stopped until a great Change is made like to his training or body like merging with kami
@jeromesutton2960 you would think once he became the Nameless namekian he would have a ton of room to improve. In fact, he gets his potential unlocked in the super hero movie.
Dragon Ball Z Power Levels
Saiyan Saga
Farmer (w/ shotgun): 5
Goku (w/ weights): 334
Goku (w/o weights): 416
Piccolo (w/ weights): 322
Piccolo (w/o weights): 408
Raditz: 1,500
Raditz (Overconfident): 1,125
Gohan (Enraged): 1,307
~ 1 Year Later ~
Yamcha: 1,480
Krillin: 1,770
Tenshinhan: 1,830
Chiaotzu: 610
Yajirobe: 970
Gohan: 981
Piccolo: 3,500
Saibamen: 1,215
Saibamen (Self Destruct): 1,701
Nappa: 4,000
Goku: 8,168
Vegeta: 18,000
Goku (Kaio-ken): 11,516.88
Goku (Kaio-ken x2): 15,029.12
Goku (Kaio-ken x3): 21,563.52
Goku (Kaio-ken x4): 27,444.48
Goku (Post Kaio-ken x4): 6,861.12
Vegeta (Post Beam Struggle): 10,800
Great Ape Vegeta: 108,000
Vegeta (Post getting hit by Spirit Bomb): 3,600
Great Ape Gohan: 9,810
Frieza Saga
Vegeta (Zenkai #1): 24,300
Cui: 18,000
Dodoria: 22,000
Zarbon: 23,000
Zarbon (Monster Form): 26,450
Vegeta (Zenkai #2): 29,700
Guldo: 9,000
Guldo (Time Abilities): 45,000
Recoome: 40,000
Goku (Post Gravity Training): 90,000
Jeice: 43,000
Burter: 44,000
Captain Ginyu: 120,000
Goku (Kaio-ken x2): 180,000
Ginyu (In Goku's Body): 12,500
Ginyu (Kaio-ken x2): 23,000
Nail: 42,000
Piccolo (Post King Kai Training): 48,000
Frieza (First Form): 530,000
Vegeta (Zenkai #3): 513,000
Frieza (Second Form): 1,060,000
Piccolo (Fused with Nail): 1,080,000
Frieza (Third Form): 1,600,000
Vegeta (Zenkai #4): 2,052,000
Frieza (Final Form): 2,400,000
Goku: 3,000,000
Goku (Kaio-ken x10): 24,000,000
Goku (Kaio-ken x20): 36,000,000
Frieza (50%): 60,000,000
Goku (Post Kaio-ken x20): 1,800,000
Goku (Post Spirit Bomb): 1,500,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
Frieza (100%): 120,000,000
Frieza (Power Weakening): 100,000,000
Android/Cell Saga
Mecha Frieza (50%): 84,000,000
Future Trunks: 3,840,000
SSJ Future Trunks: 192,000,000
Goku (Post Yardrat): 3,840,000
SSJ Goku: 192,000,000
~ 3 Years Later ~
SSJ Goku (Full Power): 400,000,000
SSJ Goku (Sick): 240,000,000
Android 19: 216,000,000
Android 19 (Goku's Kamehameha Absorbed): 432,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 480,000,000
Dr. Gero: 240,000,000
SSJ Vegeta (Post 19's Absorption): 288,000,000
Piccolo (Heavily Suppressed): 40,000,000
Dr. Gero (Post Absorbing Piccolo's Power): 280,000,000
Piccolo (Slightly Drained Full Power against Gero): 320,000,000
Android 18: 504,000,000
Android 17: 560,000,000
Imperfect Cell: 640,000,000
Piccolo (Fused with Kami): 720,000,000
Piccolo (Exhausted against Android 17): 648,000,000
Imperfect Cell (People Absorbed): 800,000,000
Android 16: 800,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell: 1,020,000,000
Vegeta (Post HTC): 1,100,000,000
Future Trunks (Post HTC): 1,050,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell: 1,360,000,000
ASSJ Vegeta: 1,650,000,000
ASSJ Future Trunks: 1,575,000,000
Perfect Cell: 1,864,000,000
USSJ Future Trunks: 2,100,000,000
Perfect Cell (Buff): 3,728,000,000
MSSJ Goku (50%): 1,750,000,000
MSSJ Goku (100%): 3,500,000,000
Perfect Cell (Suppressed): 4,375,000,000
MSSJ Gohan (Holding Back Mentally): 3,937,500,000
Perfect Cell (Full Power): 5,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 14,062,500,000
Perfect Cell (Full Power Buff): 10,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 11,250,000,000
Solar Kamehameha: 25,000,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha: 31,250,000,000
Buu Saga
Gohan: 112,500,000
Vegeta: 140,625,000
Goku: 156,250,000
SSJ Gohan: 5,625,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 7,031,250,000
SSJ Goku: 7,812,500,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 11,250,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta: 14,062,500,000
SSJ2 Goku: 15,625,000,000
Pui Pui: 105,468,750
Yakon: 117,187,500
Dabura: 12,500,000,000
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta: 15,625,000,000
Majin Buu: 48,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 62,500,000,000
Good Buu: 22,000,000,000
Evil Buu: 26,000,000,000
Goten: 12,000,000
Trunks: 12,800,000
SSJ Trunks (Suppressed): 560,000,000
SSJ Goten: 600,000,000
SSJ Trunks (Full Power): 640,000,000
Hercule: 10,000,000
Piccolo: 800,000,000
Gotenks: 144,000,000
Goten (Post HTC): 13,500,000
Trunks (Post HTC): 14,400,000
Gotenks (Post HTC): 162,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 8,100,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 64,800,000,000
Super Buu: 64,800,000,000
Super Buu (Full Power): 72,000,000,000
Mystic Gohan: 83,200,000,000
Buutenks: 137,600,000,000
Buuccolo: 72,800,000,000
Buuhan: 156,000,000,000
Vegito: 1,875,000,000
Super Vegito: 187,500,000,000
Kid Buu: 60,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku (Losing Energy): 50,000,000,000
If DBZ Manga is in the Trillions to Quadrillions, imagine the DBS Manga lol, they finna be in the Quintillions at the start of DBS
@@Jakedasnake0426 Power Levels aren't scaled with AP/DC feats in mind. More or less just telling people "who is stronger than who?" Although personally I think these power levels don't really work since I actually do believe that the Human Z Fighters should be stronger than Mecha Frieza by this point.
Goodness, I’ve been waiting for something like this since I’ve began watching Dragon Ball Z!
Your Post-Namek power levels are genuinely the greatest and most thorough I’ve ever witnessed. Others were always comically too low (some had Super Perfect Cell just 3 times stronger than Full Power Namek Frieza, which is absolutely insane). Most were reluctant to assign the characters with power levels exceeding the billions by the Cell Games, much less the trillions by the Buu Saga.
Truly appreciate the time you’ve devoted to something so elaborate!
Thanks and Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your loved ones!
Hope you had an amazing Christmas NewMrLiberty777! Thank you for your generosity, this was a wonderful present upon checking the comments. I appreciate you!
@ The pleasure is mines! I hope to see your power levels for GT and Super in the future. Keep up the marvelous work my good brother.
love your dedication to dragon ball
You're here so your passion for it is just as awesome!
Goodness, I’ve been waiting for something like this since I’ve began watching Dragon Ball Z!
Your Post-Namek power levels are genuinely the greatest and most thorough I’ve ever witnessed. Others were always comically too low (some had Super Perfect Cell just 3 times stronger than Full Power Namek Frieza, which is absolutely insane). Most were reluctant to assign the characters with power levels exceeding the billions by the Cell Games, much less the trillions by the Buu Saga.
Truly appreciate the time you’ve devoted to something so elaborate.
Great video! Thanks for all of the editting and visual references. Combined with your logic, this system works well is a valid headcanon. Idk who else agrees, but for me, you're putting into words and numbers what i already intuitively felt about the power scaling throughout my years of enjoying Dragonball. Thanks again for the effort!
They should hire you for keeping power scaling in Dragon ball alive and giving good data analysis. Merry Christmas Saiyan scholar.
DBZ fans are gonna loose their shit when they find out Super Saiyan 4 is so so far away in power levels from Blue and all the stuff in Super😂 I mean even Toriyama said Nobody in the series will ever be more powerful than Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta
You missed the part where goku hurled a super dense block of kachintite. It was obviously heavier than the Z Sword based on the crater it makes and the snapping of the sword. Goku was wiped out from SS3 on Earth when he handled the sword. Its why he immediately asks to go eat after testing the sword.
Ive always been curious about where power levels would have gone after namek. Nice work!
Love these power level breakdowns.
I really do like when you talk about Dragon Ball Z. I really appreciate when you talk old-school things.🙏🏼❤️
18:53 theres a reason for this
Power levels are exponential in dragon ball
And this is Very Very consistent
Goku back in og in korrins training was stated to get 10 of times stronger but his power only went for 120 something to 150
Now obviously this doesn't debunk the domination multiplier because they are power oevel based its stated that youust emit twice the ki to tank an attack that doesn't mean the attack is only 2X stronger it could be 50-100× but in a Power level sense its only 2 times.
The reason for this could be the fact that ki is divided into Three parts
And raising a single oart of it only Raises 1/3 of your ki.
But also som exponentiality to it as well.
Maybe the Killi meter is like an earthquake magnitude or PH levels where the next number is 10 times larger than the previous one.
I love long videos like this that you make❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
internet sites in the 1990s made so much more sense with the power level listings. At some point after 2007 things got crazy starting with Frieza and it went from 4M to 16M to 100+
huh?
@@Blaze-zm7zt back in 1998 all the power level listings for SS Goku and full power Freeza were about 4 million. Over time, it kept creeping to be more and more.
@@phoenix21studios the series literally states 120 million and 150 million, those sites in 1998 were just objectively wrong. You don't need to agree with the sayain scholar to see how those websites are wrong.
@@Blaze-zm7zt At the time there was no guide books or reference material and the numbers back then made MUCH more sense. I've been keeping up with the show for 27 years now.
24:38 The 22nd BUDOKAI TENKAICHI CHAMPION KI-KO-HO SON! Fully love the respect my boy gets.
Great video. But you forgot to take into account the two types of ki established since The Piccolo Saga. Of good ki and bad ki. And literal differences white vs purple.
😅The multipliers for the grade forms are wild. Since several guidebooks state that ssj2 is only 2x the power of Super Saiyan. Which means neither grade 2 or grade 3 are 2x's. Grade 4 being 50 is completely wild. Especially since Grade 2 and 3 were created for the Androids. Grade 4 maybe being 2x and SSJ2 being 2x that. Since 4x is the literal range from the Saiyan Saga. Their bases increase crazy amounts by being exposed to the base level of the cyborgs ["androids"]. The transformations are stacked on top of their ever increasing bases. I know nobody wants to accept that Cabba curb stomps Super Perfect Cell. But he does. Lol. Their bases keep increasing the multipliers don't change their power that much anymore. Grade 2 is probably 1.5x ssj and thus 75x base.
Grade 3 probably 1.75 or 87.5x base.
Grade 4 is 2x at maximum 100x.
And ssj2 thus is 200x Gohan's base.
The rage boost is ACTUALLY it's own power according to Dragon Ball Super Trunks saga. But the blue animated ki around him is also an anime exclusive. It's safe to say the rage boosts are the hybrids using their inherent bad ki and having both from being raised on Earth. Since that's what divided Kamicollo's two ki's that he literally split evenly at first. Vegeta even goes from using negative to positive and ultra ego BROUGHT BACK HIS PURPLE KI!!!!!
The now three ki's are more and more relevant. Good, bad and god ki are all confirmed existing things that we have to account for. Cell is actually both types of ki and then artificial ki is introduced as it's own separate confirmed thing. Even Beerus bragged about it in Dragon Ball Super. S-P Cell through SP Cell all use three types of ki established through Z. Buu with hindsight introduced god ki. So if we're going manga only. Then that should have been accounted for thanks to the Moro arc.
Math is so fun. But the bases are so crazy. The math is so much crazier when two or more ki's are used. Crazy.
What a Christmas gift!
I’ve always wondered where Gohan was at when he finished training with the Z Sword and before Old Kai unlocked his Mystic Form. I think Gohan’s Mystic Form is much more than what Goku and Vegeta’s would have been due to Gohan’s hidden power still not fully maturing (and it can maybe be argued that because people aren’t fully grown until about age 25, Gohan’s hidden potential still had some room to grow, albeit probably not much) even after the Cell Games.
I also wonder how much stronger Vegeta, Goku, Piccolo, Tien, Chiaoutzu, and Yamcha would have gotten from Elder Guru’s latent power unlock ability.
The Kikoho is so cool. Such a huge multiplier although the drawback should be that it kills you but oh well this is Dragon Ball.
This is beautiful And what i always wanted!!! Amd makes sense and accurate a perfect Christmas present Dear Santa can you do GT 🙏
for a second I thought is gonna be anime version but it’s just remastered with better pacing noice also hny SS🥳
Mr Satan's real name is Mark. fusing with him could be called Marku or Goark
Awesome power levels.
So basically a hypothetical BuuHanTenks (Super Buu + Ultimate Gohan + SS3 Gotenks) would be sitting around 656 Trillion?
Would have made for an awesome fight vs Base Vegito's 574 Trillion!
Thanks man!
Can't wait for this series for DB super
I love what you did with gohon's potential unleashed, giving it a 1.75 powerboost. It would explain how ssj2 teen gohan was stronger than ssj2 teener gohan. And when he does awaken once again when buu awakes, dabura is scared shitless. The math be mathing
Dragon ball z anime power levels though ☠️
We building up... it's gonna be insane
@@SaiyanScholarwait is it gonna actually happen? Your calculator must be sweating hard. Bro is not safe .☠️
can't wait to have SSJ1 Goku stronger than Ultimate Gohan 😭😭😭
Z anime is broken beyond believe. I already have Cell saga endgame in the quadrillions.
@Top_E_Official i have him at 100 trillion
Android 18s shock with trucks blast was more bc there are innocent people everywhere. That’s how I remembered it anyways. 😊
Dude did you reupload this one I sure we watched this already?🤔
Yes
@kaidenjohnson2624 I guess he is becoming like cable with these reruns🤣🤣
Yes. Very lazy. I watched this hoping it was a remake.
Using stated power levels only, I think we can calculate Krillin's power level. Krillin went from 206 to 1770 in the Saiyan Saga. that's an 8.59% increase in one year of intense training, knowing there is a big threat on the way. In his fight with 1st and 2nd form Frieza the provided materials put Krillin at 75,000 after his complete power unlock from Guru. So using that math 75k x 8.59= 644,250 x8.59 =5,534,107.5 x8.59= 47,537,893. So Krillin in the Android/Cell Sagas was about 1/3rd of SS Goku on Namek. Not too bad for the little guy. Tien and Yamcha we don't have a lot to go on since we don't know how much the gains are from King Kai's planet. If we use the anime Ginyu Force fight we can use that same math to put Yamcha at about 10.5 Million, and Tien at 31-32 Million.
Krillins has always been weaker than tein
@@lindamasha3552 😂😂is nope. Maybe DB and up to the Saiyan saga. That's it.
Merry christmas🎉🎉🎉
Thanks man you too!
To quote DBZA Tien to Semi-perfect Cell
"Fk power lvls, fk super saiyans and fk youuuuu....Shin Ki-ko-ho!"
13:20 i don't blame him tbh
Lmao
Vegeta's body on Namek wasn't destroyed. He was shot through the chest. When he was wished back, it was to his original body - healed which means he got a Zenki boost. On Earth, he should have been the strongest being there, Well above Piccolo
OK, but Zenki boosts don't always increase power to the same extent
Even though you have SS2 Gohan (25th Tourney) a bit stronger than SS1 Vegeta (which I agree with), I would still put my bets on SS1 Vegeta defeating this Gohan due to his body and mind being trained while Gohan hasn't, his battle instincts will be rusty and not to mention physically his body probably won't let him fight in an enhanced state (such as SS let alone SS2) for an extended time.
Well I do respect the multiplier breakdown but if I was to make a PL head canon I’d at least use some extra source. 150,000,000 SS Goku last known manga big power level to Broly V-Jump 1,400,000,000 at least stay within that range when rating the Android Saga. I mean since they are all head canon a little extra sources doesn’t hurt if they come from some official ones
This is just a reupload guys, theres a vid of his exactly like this
Who do you think has more authority majin rhymus or zeno
rhymus stepped down millions of years ago for zeno to rule
Don't know but Supreme Demon King commanded him!
Pretty sure trunks got a zenkai boost by the end of the cell game so he was stronger when he fought the android and cell in his timeline.
mecha frieza at 60m?
dbs frieza: "2.8 million"
imo imo imo imo, i use a bigger multiplier for times skip.
In the Saiyan saga, the Z warriors increased around x8 times each. Goku increased nearly x20 times.
Some times we see bigger increases (Piccolo going from 3,500 to like 100,000 in a few days of training lol), some times smaller (in the 7 years of buu saga characters barely got stronger and only Goku surpassed Cell saga Gohan).
However, i personally use this in my head canon for Z
1 year timeskip:
No training at all = same power level or lower
Small training = x5 increases
Avarage training = x10 increases
Special training = x20 increases
I got Goku at the start of the Android saga at 22 billion lol
We all know DBZA said it best about power levels 😂
Bro i always knew gohan ssj2 was way above cell super perfect form. One hint was when he dared cell to battle and he hesitated. Then when gohan lost his arm cell had this whole new realm of confidence lol people keep saying.. "oh well how did cell damage gohan so much then if cell isn't stronger"? I just shake mu head everytime because they fail to remember that all of them can put ki into a single focus point and increase that many times over their own power. Cell put enough into that blast to get rid of vegeta plus gohan wasnt trying to deflect it he was trying to cover vegetas body with his own body no deflection of the blast meaning it crippled his arm because of it. Heres ankther example of them having to brace themselves and prepare for an attack before they challenge it... remember when vegeta lost it and went after cell because of trunk? Who else noticed that cell had to brace his body for vegetas attack? Ok there you have it lol
Goku did got a zenkai after the fight with vegeta so his based form should still be higher than gohan z sword training.
If this is z imagine super or heroes ☠️
What is spc max? Is 588,000,000,000 his max which i doubt. Im pretty sure it was much closer than ssj2 gohan due to him being able to damage ss2 Gohan and zap half of his power.
Wait so how did frieza know goku was alive n then how did he know exactly when goku would get to earth ????
Kibito fully healed Gohan, not sure why you'd think he wasn't. Dende was able to fully healed goku and i doubt dende healing abilities are on kibito level.
I think you're too fixated on multipliers, especially with the fusion. Daizenshuu states Gotenks surpassed Vegeta only after the time chamber training and clearly Kibitoshin is a non factor against Bu. Everybody, including himself, considered him useless against Bu, while even Vegeta wasn't considered that way. I also think Supreme Kai is weaker than that, Daima heavily suggests he's far weaker than base Goku, and this is coherent with his desire to jump on Yakon all together and with his reaction to base Saiyans. He has strong psychic powers with which he can stall stronger characters at SSJ2 level of power, but he himself doesn't quite have much strength. He also wasn't able to lift Z-Sword, he was the weakest Supreme Kai, but neither the strongest of them could, while SSJ1 Gohan did it without struggling that much. I know Supreme Kai should be stronger than Piccolo, but even though it may look incoherent with Cell saga, I think Piccolo wasn't portrayed as stronger than base Saiyans in the Bu saga, and this thing lasted until Super, when he regained some dignity only in tournament of power but especially in the Superhero movie. Babidy and Dabura considered Piccolo's and Crilin's energy to be useless but they had a great opinion about base Saiyans, Gohan included, in fact Piccolo and Crilin were petrified while Goku, Vegeta and Gohan weren't. And we can't even say that they considered their full power, because we've seen that when Goku went to Super Saiyan Babidy was surprised he was that strong. Even Yakon at 800 kili should be enough to defeat Piccolo, it's awful, but that's how it's portrayed, it's even internally coherent with Supreme Kai being frightened about him. Ok, we can say that no one there was expressing their full power, but at the beginning of the Buu arc Vegeta states with confidence he can win the tournament even without going Super Saiyan, and it's unlikely he didn't know about Piccolo's presence there. In Fukkatsu no F, Piccolo performs worse than a very rusty base Gohan, so that's it, I think multipliers are interesting in theory but when it comes to power levels they are too strict and would bring us readers to adapt the manga to make them fit forcefully. Toriyama himself stated that when he was writing the manga he didn't think of Super Saiyan as a real ×50 boost, but more like a ×10.
So you really think Vegeta and Trunks wouldn’t train to surpass 50% Cell Games Goku even AFTER sensing him power up? I think if Goku is a 100, Vegeta/Trunks is at least 60% of him but personally I have them around 70%
buu saga 18 scaling doesn't really make snese she was just shocked that a goofy looking opponent had that strong of an attack i don't think she's weaker than them
50,000,000×30,000 =1,500,000,000,000×8
=12,000,000,000,000
Mabey😅
holy yappathon 😂
After dbz power levels meant nothing, we got roshi dodging jiren now like really? The man can barely stay alive after one mafuba attempt but performing something similar to ultra instinct smh
For 3000 kili to wore i killi sould be 3,828,125 BP
Pretty stupid how ssj kid Trunks is stronger than Android saga Ssj Vegeta.
15,312,500,000 dabora 😅
One ki blast ment for vegeta destroyed gohan arm he can’t be much stronger
Only vegito1089 has the real power levels he got it from Akira himself broly legendary super saiyan full power 11 billion
Teen Gohan super saiyan 2 73 billion!!!!!
Ngl power levels ruin everything. Especially when applied to other anime like 7 Deadly Sins.
They can be important for the narrative. Like showing how far a character has come, or the odds they face. It can get out of hand though.
Agreed!
Yeah, yeah, "goku" or whatever is strong, but he can't beat the Champ, Mr. Satan.
Or 765,625,000,000
There are at least two parts where you inflated the power levels.
1- when frieza comes to earth, the guys have no idea of how frieza was at full power on nameck, and originally frieza is just an idiot which has a fixed amount of power. He is probably almost at the same level as before, and he is there because he is (as I said already) a delusional idiot. Like that bully that comes back with his bigger friend to have a revenge because you humiliated him after school.
In this case you raised his power, trunks power and goku power too much.
2) why you boosted majin buu so much??? Goku ssj3 is almost at the level of super buu, gotenks 3 slightly stronger, Gohan ultimate slightly stronger again, and then we have the buu plus absorbsion, which is just a plus. Kid buu in the end is the original less powerful but more savage buu. They are in this kind of scale: fat buu is a 0.7, goku is a 1, super buu is a 1.5, gotenks is a 1.7, gohan a 2, ultimate buu around a 3, vegito a 10, kid buu a 1.5 (very similar to the super buu or maybe slightly less powerful).
Superhero arc power levels
I'm going to redo all of Super.
@@SaiyanScholarplease do anime super and gt power levels
@@SaiyanScholar The DBZ Anime version power levels would fry the calculator
Imagine MUI Goku 💀
8th! Lol
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