Of all the incredible power boosts and explanations of feats in this video 1:11:56 is probably the most shocking moment that made me double take! Great video!
I love how consistent you are about a fighter's base level making all the difference in the scaling as the multipliers for transformations increase. Vegeta truly is a prodigy and is the proud Prince for a reason. I hope that we are going to get that one story where it finally shines through as to how much power Vegeta has and that he gets a true moment to shine in the light. Manga, anime, movie, whatever it is..I just want to see that moment for the Prince. A healthy amount of us fans deserve it, in my humble opinion.
As a powerscaler myself this is pretty accurate although it's difficult to quantify they're power by mathematical calculations considering fusion and zenkai's
I like how Master Roshi got 2,581,918,839,928 times stronger since the sayian saga edit: not a joke, I used the numbers in the dbz power scale video as reference
i think i realized why roshi became much stronger from the start of z to the top arc. he must've done a lot of endurance training with those magazines and that's how he got so strong.
the numbers between goku ssj3 at the beginning compared to ulatimate gohan and ssj3 goteks is absolutely ridiculous. gohan is slightly overballed and ssj3 gotenks is absolutely hyper overballed compared to goku. i'd have him at about 1/10th of that power, and gohan at like half.
Yeah, I feel like the fusion multiplier is doing a lot of heavy lifting with these huge leaps in power without much supporting it. The manga only gives us that SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku, which isn’t enough to support Base Fusion = 50x sum of strongest forms.
52:28 - It arguably makes sense that the ultimate form isn't a stable multiplier but all over the place. After all, the idea behind the ultimate form is that it fully brings out whatever potential you have inside of you at that time. So it doesn't just amplify existing power, it brings out any power you could be accessing but otherwise wouldn't be. So as Gohan's potential rises, the ultimate form's power rises. And, funnily enough, this would imply that the larger the percentage of Gohan's power is untapped potential, the more powerful the ultimate form should be compared to his base.
Based on this video, if 10 000 is the power level needed to destroy a single Earth-like planet, Black Frieza could destroy trillions upon trillions of observable universes with a single energy attack, basically.
Notice how each time a character gets millions of times stronger it’s because of implications. Every time someone is significantly stronger, he just uses the x2 multiplier.
2:12:10 or you are just wrong with your interpretation of the Blue evolved vegeta being on par UI Goku against Granolah when UE Vegeta vs Granolah was just how UI Goku would have done if his accuracy didn’t drop
I prefer Vegito Vs Buu overall. But I prefer the introduction of SSJ4 Gogeta. I wouldn't call either of them fights, because both were potential stomps and it felt like both situations had unique motives in them. Gogeta's was to cleanse the atmosphere, whereas Vegito wanted to get absorbed.
Beerus' remark is actually quite an eye opener Imo. It could be suggested that the characters are so powerful and have such a spiritual harness on their abilities at this stage that it is at a level of theoretical infinity, and this is how divinity works. Their power isn't measurable to a number with a physical limit, they are just as strong as they want/need to be. Beerus isn't stronger than Whis, the Grand Priest or Zeno because he doesn't feel that he should be able to defeat them. Vegeta and Goku aren't stronger than Beerus because they don't feel that they should be or need to be, and they'll only surpass him when their will is strong enough to overpower his.
One thing in regards to this scale Youre reasoning for counting UI in the gogeta calculation is faulty because we know that the fuses have to be at equal power for the fusion to work in regards to metamoran fusion which would be perfected blue Goku and vegeta making base Gogeta 200* perfected blue goku level.
I don’t think vegeta kept that rage boost power after bulma got hit. I think it was a temporary boost just like how gohan used to get boosts when he’s angry but then after that the power goes down. This happens 90 percent of the time than someone getting a rage boosts and having to keep it.
Freeza got a 10 year time chamber training boost to be the same age as goku since he was dead for a long time on top of adding their time chamber years.
Vegeta's has 53 years in the granola arc ending (both body and mind): 48 + 2 years of cell saga time chamber + 3 years of U6 vs U7 time chamber. Meanwhile goku's mind has 47~48 years: 43 + almost 1 year by adding ogdb and cell saga TC + 3 years of U6 vs U7 TC + 6 months of moro arc TC (0.5 year). But goku's body only has 39~40 years due his time being dead: 47~48 - 1 year dead in saiyan saga - 7 years dead betwen cell and buu saga.
1:52:43. the fusion is included because when they do the fusion they create a new being. an example: it's not vegeta or goku, it's gogeta, as if gogeta were someone else
Did the math the black friezas power level is around is around 3 novemvigintillion 748 octovigintillion 500 septenvigintillion or around 374850000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 divide tat by 5 and he is tht many times stronger than farmer with a shotgun making at a bare minimum him low multiversal to multiversal because of how infinity works just imagine how strong raditz is lol
Super is nothing but a cesspool of plot holes and nonsense power ups and scaling. Basically if you don’t enjoy actual good story telling and just like pretty colors and transformations this is right up your alley
29:50 This always confused me about DBS. Remember when in the Buu saga the entire cast needed to really focus and try to control their power in order to not destroy the punching machine? This is such a dumb change, and would mean that Bulma should have killed Goku at the beginning of the series when she shot him in the head with a machinegun. *Edit, it was a pistol but still.
She didn't kiled goku cuz he was on guard against her, he was in combat state looking at her. Even in the rr saga goku was shot by snipers but he was there to kill, that's why he didn't die.
And what happened in the buu saga also happened in the dbs anime, when goku goes ssg he couldn't control his power well and his punches would destroy all of U7.
Here I was thinking that the GT powerscale was crazy, so like, SS4 Gogeta is something like TOP UI omen Goku tier? And that theoretical Changed state+100 years of dragon realm training+ssj4+dragon fist Goku is weaker Blue Evolved Granola arc Vegeta? Those are rough estimates btw I’m not watching another 2 hour video for the sake of comparison.
Saiyan Scholar seems to have treated the Golden Form of Frieza as a x50 amp as 8.7 Duodecillion Divided by 50 comes out to 174.0000000000000174 Undecillion and 174 Undecillion times 50 is 8.69999999999999913 Duodecillion some I'm assuming he just rounded. As for the Black Form of Frieza it can't be 100 trillion times base as that doesn't even come to 1 Septendeceillion it instead comes out as 17.39999999999999826 Sexdecillion as stated in the video the Black Form of Frieza is 100 trillion times the Golden Form of Frieza making it 100 trillion times 50 making the actual Black Form multiplier 5,000,000,000,000,000 or 5 Quadrillion. But this is also wrong because 5 Quadrillion is still too low to reach 1 Septendeceillion coming out as only 869.999999999999913 Sexdecillion, the only way for the multiplier of the Golden Form of Frieza to reach 1 Septendeceillion when multiplied by 100 trillion is for the Golden Form of Frieza's multiplier to be 57.5 which when multiplied by 100 trillion comes out to 5.75 Quadrillion and then multiply 174 Undecillion by 5.75 Quadrillion which equals 1.00049999999999989995 Septendeceillion. This also makes no sense as Saiyan Scholar seems to treat the multiplier of the Golden Form of Frieza from Base to Golden as only 50 times but for the Black Form of Frieza to be 100 trillion times the Golden Form of Frieza and be able to be rounded to 1 Septendeceillion the Golden Form's multiplier form Base to Golden when compared to Black must be 57.5 times for it to make any sense. So, the actual scaling for Frieza in the Granolah arc when rounded up properly should look like this Base/Final Form Frieza 174 Undecillion, Golden Frieza is a 57.5 times multiplier making Golden Frieza's Power actually higher than what Saiyan Scholar had it as at 10 Duodecillion, and finally since Black Frieza is 100 trillion times Golden Frieza making its multiplier 5.75 Quadrillion making Black Frieza's Power 1 Septendeceillion.
@@Little_Larvitar ah, thanks for clearing that up. It's understandable to lose track after a while. However he did give the golden form a multiplier of 57 in his T.O.P portion I believe so that checks out
@@TheSuperGooberYou forgot the point five (,5) to the 57, yes Saiyan Scholar had the Golden Form at 57 times Base Form in the T.O.P, but you need the Golden Form to be exactly 57.5 so the 100 trillion multiplier for between Golden and Black Frieza can round to 1 Septendeceillion even .1 off 57.5 and the end result can change by literally Sexdecillions so it's critical to remember the .5 difference. Not meaning to harp on you it's just the point five difference is critical to making the scaling for Frieza's Golden and Black Forms make sense in scaling.
I like the scaling, but how many times are we told DBS Broly isn't the Legendary Super Saiyan. lol He just has Ikari stacked onto his forms. lol Gold eyes prove that theory very well.. lol
1:52:40 u said that granola wishes to be the strongest and that put him above the strongest person at that time which was broly but I respectfully disagree with that because It was stated at the start of the granola arc that Goku was the strongest mortal in the universe pre wish so it csnt be thst
only half way through the video and i've already experienced a number i've never even heard of.. what is a quattrodecillion bro my autocorrect won't even work for the number😭 1:12:17 update: what is a quattuorvigintillion
it's ez bro, just research googology, let's say that 1-illion = million 2-illion = billion 3-illion = trillion and so one... 10-illion = decillion 14-illion = quattrodecillion 24-illion = quattuorvigintillion = 1*10^75
Im sorry but it's hard to believe that Goku & Vegeta got so much stronger compared to their boo saga counterparts, weren't they at their limit (as trunks stated when seeing Goku and Vegeta's zenkais didn't grant any significant power) which implies their base forms power cannot increase that much? Is the scale in this video really realistic (isn't it inflating everybody's power too much, the high numbers confuse me).
yes amd mp. that may have just been refering to zenkais specifically in the black arc. however i believe its the training for the ToP where they go to the time chamber and we find out their base forms cant get much stronger its mostly down to technique and transformations.
I believe buu in the Moro arc could not only ignore moros magic but all the power he absorbed as well. It seems likely the power was never really moros instead it was magic ki he gained. I think that makes more sense than he just randomly getting a morbillion times stronger for no reason.
1:08:30 I personally think with Metamoran Fusion, using your multiplier method, it should be, best of B x200. Because with Metamoran Fusion, both warriors must be close in power, in order to fuse. So imo, it would be Vegeta (SSB Evolved) = 1.25 Octillion Goku (Ultra Instinct 100%) = 10 Undecllion Gokou would have to lower his power to be close to Vegeta’s, so he’s 1.25 Octillion as well. Base Gogeta would be this level (which idk what’s called) 2.5E29.
I always thought that vegetas elite genes gave him way higher zenkai than the other saiyans and trunks probably gets higher zenkai than Gohan even though I like Gohan more but it makes sense.
I could buy that if not for the insane zenkai Goku gets on Namek where he goes from 90,000 power level in base to 3,000,000 (a 33 times increase in a single zenkai!), Which is higher that any zenkai Vegeta ever got (that we know of).
Let it be known that future trunks is the only (alien) z fighter/character that didn't get a BS power up in the super manga Kinda sad that he didn't get SS rage in the manga, but I rather him not get it if it wasn't going to be explain. As my favorite db character, him being stronger than the z fighter's in battle of gods (except SSG goku), is good enough for me
I'm gonna try to explain the most "ilogical" battle in the manga, Base Black winning against upgraded SSJ2 Trunks: I think Trunks had a really weakened base power against Black due to the lack of food, then later against Goku he is at full power cause he ate a sensu bean, and maybe Goku wasn't going all out in the forms he used against Trunks. Also most likely SSJ and SSJ Blue/Rose for Goku Black are much smaller multipliers than for Goku, that would explain why Vegeta in SSJ2 was on par with Black using SSJ
If Frieza gets gold Frieza gains in 3 months training wouldn't he become stronger than similar powered opponents literally within the course of a single battle??? He should have been stronger than super saipan Goku by the end of their battle??? No?
It’s actually not granola bloodline helping him grow stronger against UE vegeta It’s more of the wish The wish is continuously making them stronger. As vegeta gets even stronger, the wish gives granola a slight edge in power The fusion dance multiplier has been retconned Gogeta specifically said their power has been multiplied significantly Meaning A x B = c/gogeta in this case We know this is highly true as gogeta in base could keep up with broly and super saiyan was dominating said broly That’s the same broly who goku and vegeta using a full powered final flash and kamehameha couldn’t flinch. We know how much of an increase this 2 get when they fight together instead as one as even jiren had to use more power than he had ever used to defeat belmod to defeat goku and vegeta teaming up on him to finally put them down Gogeta multiplier maybe > ssbkkx20 or if not higher than the universe 7 super spirit bomb
Now how strong would frieza be?? Well it depends, if you think Seth is right about frieza being a hisoka level intellect who could gauge his opponents skill levels and potential, then frieza might have already gauged just how much stronger goku and vegeta could potentially become and even how much stronger gogeta/vegito would be I say vegito as frieza was present when kefla fused If we don’t take that scaling, then frieza is still easily at the fusions strength After seeing how powerful gogeta was, he would have trained just in case he was to fight a potentially white haired gogeta Not only fight but absolutely bully white hair gogeta Low balled Black frieza >>> white haired/mui gogeta High balled: Base frieza >>>>> mui gogeta Using Seth scaling Base frieza would one shot kill true ultra instinct gogeta
@@Zeno1781 basically based on jiren power at his peak at the extent of his full power he basically a margin higher then belmoth but in skillbase he struggle with uio and mui and barely studied him However in the anime he might be stronger then belmoth since whis repeat himself so jiren at his peak based on strength is below his manga counter part who got a significant boost in the manga So the manga jiren is 25,000 times stronger then his anime counter part as best based on power not skills
@@user-o10oo0oo0o anime jiren is stronger as a suppressed jiren before reaching his full power was stronger than all the gods Belmod even states “I haven’t seen that much power from jiren” Implying jiren might have held back when he defeated him
@@Zeno1781 well he may have trained But according to the fusion When gogeta was born it states when both users are eqaul the fusion born but once the fusion born basically gogeta base starts off way stronger then goku mui from the start of the battle and once he turn ssj he and broly surpass a god but also surpass several gods when they go lssj and ssb and broly did probably surpass lord beerus only because his power was estimated greater Since then they comfired broly power is superior to jiren Which means the tournament of powers was a hype while broly power is even above jiren and granola and gas and morus73 So all of that goku went through wasn't merely enough to surpass broly who stated to be solified to beerus in terms of Raw power
It's finally over my friend, your calculator can now rest in peace
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Naw now he gotta do the anime scale🤣
@@tewhale2 well it can at least rest for now
@@deniusmanov 🤣
@@MegaKamiDeezhe’s gonna have to use a ti-84000 for that one
Of all the incredible power boosts and explanations of feats in this video 1:11:56 is probably the most shocking moment that made me double take! Great video!
OMG 😂😂
I was falling asleep and that brought me right back
I love how consistent you are about a fighter's base level making all the difference in the scaling as the multipliers for transformations increase. Vegeta truly is a prodigy and is the proud Prince for a reason. I hope that we are going to get that one story where it finally shines through as to how much power Vegeta has and that he gets a true moment to shine in the light. Manga, anime, movie, whatever it is..I just want to see that moment for the Prince. A healthy amount of us fans deserve it, in my humble opinion.
This man puts so much effort into this. I wish I could be able to support in other way than just watching til the end and giving a thumbs up
As a powerscaler myself this is pretty accurate although it's difficult to quantify they're power by mathematical calculations considering fusion and zenkai's
There are a lot of things that are ambiguous and inconsistent here.
@@hamza361 that's a given though. It's better than nothing
Until the next arc
@@TheSuperGoober Considering how inconsistent and useless power levels are nothing might actually be better than something
@@asonofliberty3662Power levels arent useless? Elaborate.
I like how Master Roshi got 2,581,918,839,928 times stronger since the sayian saga
edit: not a joke, I used the numbers in the dbz power scale video as reference
Gigachad
I hate math lol
Is that 2.5 billion times stronger
@@darkeninjx5619 more like garbage story telling.
@@NamesSmeg Get a sarcasm radar.
i think i realized why roshi became much stronger from the start of z to the top arc. he must've done a lot of endurance training with those magazines and that's how he got so strong.
Man spent over a decade gooning
A real master of martial arts
He edged his way into a power level in the quadrillions
Imagine Saiyan Scholar doing a power scaling of sdbh... just imagine
He would go insane
That will be insane...I can't wait for him to powerscale the anime of super
They'll grow 10x in the first battle 💀
the numbers between goku ssj3 at the beginning compared to ulatimate gohan and ssj3 goteks is absolutely ridiculous.
gohan is slightly overballed and ssj3 gotenks is absolutely hyper overballed compared to goku. i'd have him at about 1/10th of that power, and gohan at like half.
Bro what are you talking about ultimate Gohan was overpowering a super Buu that was stronger than Goku ssj3 he's definitely that strong
Yeah, I feel like the fusion multiplier is doing a lot of heavy lifting with these huge leaps in power without much supporting it. The manga only gives us that SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku, which isn’t enough to support Base Fusion = 50x sum of strongest forms.
52:28 - It arguably makes sense that the ultimate form isn't a stable multiplier but all over the place. After all, the idea behind the ultimate form is that it fully brings out whatever potential you have inside of you at that time. So it doesn't just amplify existing power, it brings out any power you could be accessing but otherwise wouldn't be. So as Gohan's potential rises, the ultimate form's power rises. And, funnily enough, this would imply that the larger the percentage of Gohan's power is untapped potential, the more powerful the ultimate form should be compared to his base.
This video brought me back to your channel, and I am glad it did cause I was missing out.
Dragon ball went from actual scaling like 10,000 too "Goku is at least a galaxy and three planets level"
Based on this video, if 10 000 is the power level needed to destroy a single Earth-like planet, Black Frieza could destroy trillions upon trillions of observable universes with a single energy attack, basically.
@@randomthings1293Yeah and more.
In all honesty any reasonably scaling for black freezer would be around at least complex multiversal.
@@randomthings1293 power level is not consistent, if you need 10k to destroy one planet, 100k will not exactly make you destroy 10 planets
That Vegito scale is a total YOSHA moment.
Saiyan scholar coming with the best power scaling. Love bro
Great video
Despite how Broken Super made Power scaling, as explained at 21:00, this was well done.
Imagine if he did DB Heroes 💀
@@smackify804 😭😭
Love your power scaling🏅🏅🏅
Black Freiza should have a power up where he grows into 5'8 in height
Notice how each time a character gets millions of times stronger it’s because of implications. Every time someone is significantly stronger, he just uses the x2 multiplier.
See the thumbnail I’m glad frieza got invited to the cookout
This deserves waay more views
2:12:10 or you are just wrong with your interpretation of the Blue evolved vegeta being on par UI Goku against Granolah when UE Vegeta vs Granolah was just how UI Goku would have done if his accuracy didn’t drop
Potential poll idea: which was the better fight- gogeta vs omega shenron, or vegito vs super buu? I'd love to hear your opinion saiyan scholar!
I prefer Vegito Vs Buu overall. But I prefer the introduction of SSJ4 Gogeta.
I wouldn't call either of them fights, because both were potential stomps and it felt like both situations had unique motives in them. Gogeta's was to cleanse the atmosphere, whereas Vegito wanted to get absorbed.
Beerus' remark is actually quite an eye opener Imo. It could be suggested that the characters are so powerful and have such a spiritual harness on their abilities at this stage that it is at a level of theoretical infinity, and this is how divinity works. Their power isn't measurable to a number with a physical limit, they are just as strong as they want/need to be. Beerus isn't stronger than Whis, the Grand Priest or Zeno because he doesn't feel that he should be able to defeat them. Vegeta and Goku aren't stronger than Beerus because they don't feel that they should be or need to be, and they'll only surpass him when their will is strong enough to overpower his.
Finallly Schollar, hello, finally some brain who thinks like mine, see you after the vid, and happy xmass! :)
Now the time has come to compare Super with GT and see who's the strongest.
Pan bullies in suppressed base
One thing in regards to this scale
Youre reasoning for counting UI in the gogeta calculation is faulty because we know that the fuses have to be at equal power for the fusion to work in regards to metamoran fusion which would be perfected blue Goku and vegeta making base Gogeta 200* perfected blue goku level.
I don’t think vegeta kept that rage boost power after bulma got hit. I think it was a temporary boost just like how gohan used to get boosts when he’s angry but then after that the power goes down. This happens 90 percent of the time than someone getting a rage boosts and having to keep it.
Ayo, this is going to be in my “commute to work” playlist.
It’s mind racking trying to understand power levels even from kid buu arc.
this is truly awesome Merry Christmas you deserve a restful day after this lol :)
just ignore oob. he is a token character who had to make an appearance just like that guy when gogeta first appeared during janemba fight.
yo dude, can you do a video on what you think about Orange Piccolo?
Dragon ball super Manga is absolutely BROKEN
Freeza got a 10 year time chamber training boost to be the same age as goku since he was dead for a long time on top of adding their time chamber years.
Vegeta's has 53 years in the granola arc ending (both body and mind): 48 + 2 years of cell saga time chamber + 3 years of U6 vs U7 time chamber.
Meanwhile goku's mind has 47~48 years: 43 + almost 1 year by adding ogdb and cell saga TC + 3 years of U6 vs U7 TC + 6 months of moro arc TC (0.5 year).
But goku's body only has 39~40 years due his time being dead: 47~48 - 1 year dead in saiyan saga - 7 years dead betwen cell and buu saga.
Pain i finally did it i make without a calculater i feel dumb. Now i just réalisé i could use a calculater this was pain
I’m in here
Genuinely surprised this doesn't have more then 100k Views.
Hoping this comment ages badly
it did it, 100k+ views
1:52:43. the fusion is included because when they do the fusion they create a new being.
an example: it's not vegeta or goku, it's gogeta, as if gogeta were someone else
The fact that Vegetas new form is called Blue Evolved and not Royal Blue is a travesty haha
what does that mean
And all of this is assuming that Buu Goku is a 1. Jesus fucking christ. Numbers have no meaning anymore.
Hey, scholar I am kinda confused on the golden frieza and caulifla scaling. Where did you get frieza's power? You didn't explain it anywhere.
3 MINUTES god DAMN
Did the math the black friezas power level is around is around 3 novemvigintillion 748 octovigintillion 500 septenvigintillion or around 374850000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 divide tat by 5 and he is tht many times stronger than farmer with a shotgun making at a bare minimum him low multiversal to multiversal because of how infinity works just imagine how strong raditz is lol
How did u calculate black Frieza’s power?
Super is nothing but a cesspool of plot holes and nonsense power ups and scaling. Basically if you don’t enjoy actual good story telling and just like pretty colors and transformations this is right up your alley
just like z
Yeah I loved DBZs story telling. Namek was literally. "We killed these strong guys." "Next strong guys showed up." "We killed them." On and on.
Gotta love that raging blast ost
great video
This is awesome thanks
i learned a ton from this video!!!!!
29:50 This always confused me about DBS. Remember when in the Buu saga the entire cast needed to really focus and try to control their power in order to not destroy the punching machine?
This is such a dumb change, and would mean that Bulma should have killed Goku at the beginning of the series when she shot him in the head with a machinegun.
*Edit, it was a pistol but still.
She didn't kiled goku cuz he was on guard against her, he was in combat state looking at her.
Even in the rr saga goku was shot by snipers but he was there to kill, that's why he didn't die.
And what happened in the buu saga also happened in the dbs anime, when goku goes ssg he couldn't control his power well and his punches would destroy all of U7.
I still think the scaling in the manga in the ToP is just pure BS and doesn’t make sense at all
The truth is that scaling after the cell saga is stupid already
Ok now I’m waiting for him to do this but keep the power levels from the dbz power scale
Yeah This vid is cool and all but ain't noone talking about that kickass thumbnail
(21:03) Thank you for saying this!
Tournament was just my favorite in all of dbs
Unfortunately this has an infinite amount of problems and inconsistencies but it's not even you we can blame, it's DBs
35:13 I was thinking the final kamehameha would be 4x2.2? 🤯🤯
Rank all the participants of the universe survival arc from weakest to strongest.
The time from boo to super is 4 years
Here I was thinking that the GT powerscale was crazy, so like, SS4 Gogeta is something like TOP UI omen Goku tier? And that theoretical Changed state+100 years of dragon realm training+ssj4+dragon fist Goku is weaker Blue Evolved Granola arc Vegeta? Those are rough estimates btw I’m not watching another 2 hour video for the sake of comparison.
bro called beerus and quitela tom and jerry💀💀💀
So the multipliers are now
Moro's Magic usage(Weakened) = 1.5
UE(Damage Boost Amp) = 1.5
Gas' Instincts(Manga) = 3
Oozaru = 10
KaioKen = *reasonably usable up to 20*
SSJ = 50
Golden Form(Manga Frieza) = 57.5
Moro's Magic usage(Full Power) = *Around 100*
SSJ2 = 100
Berserk(LSSJ Kale Manga) = 100 *rises*
SSJ3 = 400
SSG(B.O.G Movie) = 1,000
Ultimate/Mystic Form(Manga) = 20,000 *possibly*
SSB(RF Movie) = 50,000
Merus Angel Power Amp = 640,000
SSG(B.O.G Movie Ritual) = 2 Million
SSG(Manga) = 32 Million
SSB(Manga) = 1.6 Billion
SSBP(Manga) = 128 Billion
SSBE(Manga) = 4.3 Trillion
UE(Manga initial) = *12 Trillion, increases via damage*
Black Form(Manga Frieza) = *100 Trillion times Golden, Lowballed*
SSG(Anime) = 400 Trillion *at least*
UISign(Manga) = 2 Quadrillion
Black Form(Manga Frieza) = 5.75 Quadrillion *possibly*
SSB(Anime) = 20 Quadrillion
UE(Manga Current) = 20 Quadrillion
SSBE(Anime) = 1 Quintillion
MUI(Manga) = 2 Sextillion
TUI(Manga w/Emotion) = 12 Sextillion
MUI(Manga w/Emotion) = 12 Octillion
UISign(Anime) = ???
MUI(Anime) = ???
I probably got some wrong so if anyone can correct me on some that would be great. but it's a lot to keep track of anyway. Man, what a journey
Saiyan Scholar seems to have treated the Golden Form of Frieza as a x50 amp as 8.7 Duodecillion Divided by 50 comes out to 174.0000000000000174 Undecillion and 174 Undecillion times 50 is 8.69999999999999913 Duodecillion some I'm assuming he just rounded. As for the Black Form of Frieza it can't be 100 trillion times base as that doesn't even come to 1 Septendeceillion it instead comes out as 17.39999999999999826 Sexdecillion as stated in the video the Black Form of Frieza is 100 trillion times the Golden Form of Frieza making it 100 trillion times 50 making the actual Black Form multiplier 5,000,000,000,000,000 or 5 Quadrillion. But this is also wrong because 5 Quadrillion is still too low to reach 1 Septendeceillion coming out as only 869.999999999999913 Sexdecillion, the only way for the multiplier of the Golden Form of Frieza to reach 1 Septendeceillion when multiplied by 100 trillion is for the Golden Form of Frieza's multiplier to be 57.5 which when multiplied by 100 trillion comes out to 5.75 Quadrillion and then multiply 174 Undecillion by 5.75 Quadrillion which equals 1.00049999999999989995 Septendeceillion. This also makes no sense as Saiyan Scholar seems to treat the multiplier of the Golden Form of Frieza from Base to Golden as only 50 times but for the Black Form of Frieza to be 100 trillion times the Golden Form of Frieza and be able to be rounded to 1 Septendeceillion the Golden Form's multiplier form Base to Golden when compared to Black must be 57.5 times for it to make any sense. So, the actual scaling for Frieza in the Granolah arc when rounded up properly should look like this Base/Final Form Frieza 174 Undecillion, Golden Frieza is a 57.5 times multiplier making Golden Frieza's Power actually higher than what Saiyan Scholar had it as at 10 Duodecillion, and finally since Black Frieza is 100 trillion times Golden Frieza making its multiplier 5.75 Quadrillion making Black Frieza's Power 1 Septendeceillion.
Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo?
@@Paul-ei4qk he hasn't given those multipliers a scale yet. But they're probably around the ssjb to ui levels
@@Little_Larvitar ah, thanks for clearing that up. It's understandable to lose track after a while. However he did give the golden form a multiplier of 57 in his T.O.P portion I believe so that checks out
@@TheSuperGooberYou forgot the point five (,5) to the 57, yes Saiyan Scholar had the Golden Form at 57 times Base Form in the T.O.P, but you need the Golden Form to be exactly 57.5 so the 100 trillion multiplier for between Golden and Black Frieza can round to 1 Septendeceillion even .1 off 57.5 and the end result can change by literally Sexdecillions so it's critical to remember the .5 difference. Not meaning to harp on you it's just the point five difference is critical to making the scaling for Frieza's Golden and Black Forms make sense in scaling.
I like the scaling, but how many times are we told DBS Broly isn't the Legendary Super Saiyan. lol He just has Ikari stacked onto his forms. lol Gold eyes prove that theory very well.. lol
1:52:40 u said that granola wishes to be the strongest and that put him above the strongest person at that time which was broly but I respectfully disagree with that because It was stated at the start of the granola arc that Goku was the strongest mortal in the universe pre wish so it csnt be thst
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@@SNAZINS yes it was literally stated by toyo
Can u do the anime for Z and DBSSH Prequel and the Arc n The Current Stage
That thumbnail is cursed af 😅
👀and another new thumbnail👀
Your perception is off the charts!
!even further beyond!
only half way through the video and i've already experienced a number i've never even heard of.. what is a quattrodecillion bro my autocorrect won't even work for the number😭 1:12:17
update: what is a quattuorvigintillion
it's ez bro, just research googology,
let's say that 1-illion = million
2-illion = billion
3-illion = trillion
and so one...
10-illion = decillion
14-illion = quattrodecillion
24-illion = quattuorvigintillion = 1*10^75
Will you continue this series
Im sorry but it's hard to believe that Goku & Vegeta got so much stronger compared to their boo saga counterparts, weren't they at their limit (as trunks stated when seeing Goku and Vegeta's zenkais didn't grant any significant power) which implies their base forms power cannot increase that much? Is the scale in this video really realistic (isn't it inflating everybody's power too much, the high numbers confuse me).
I feel like it does, but its also in line with Toriyamas gauge of Goku's strength.
yes amd mp. that may have just been refering to zenkais specifically in the black arc. however i believe its the training for the ToP where they go to the time chamber and we find out their base forms cant get much stronger its mostly down to technique and transformations.
Please someone tell me how this compare to GT, as in, the final Goku's from both compare to each other. How many Kid Buu's each of them are.
I believe buu in the Moro arc could not only ignore moros magic but all the power he absorbed as well. It seems likely the power was never really moros instead it was magic ki he gained. I think that makes more sense than he just randomly getting a morbillion times stronger for no reason.
Converting from this scale to the power level scale...
Base Buu Saga Goku: 11,584,375,000
SSG Kamehameha (BoG): 1,019,425,000,000,000,000
SSB Goku/Vegeta (RoSaT Training): 11.584375 Sextillion
Vegito Blue (Final Kamehameha)/Beerus (Goku Black Arc): 94.991875 Quattuordecillion
MUI Goku (100%, ToP): 115.84375 Quattuordecillion
SSB Perfected Gogeta (Broly Arc): 1.4828 Nondecillion
Beerus (Moro Arc): 1.73765625 Nondecillion
Black Frieza (Lowball): 11.584375 Vigintillion
TUI Gogeta (Granolah Arc): 9.45285 Octovigintillion
Black Frieza (Highball, Prepared For Fusion): 11.8160625 Octovigintillion to 21.2689125 Octovigintillion+ or something idk
Thanks A LOT
1:08:30
I personally think with Metamoran Fusion, using your multiplier method, it should be, best of B x200.
Because with Metamoran Fusion, both warriors must be close in power, in order to fuse.
So imo, it would be
Vegeta (SSB Evolved) = 1.25 Octillion
Goku (Ultra Instinct 100%) = 10 Undecllion
Gokou would have to lower his power to be close to Vegeta’s, so he’s 1.25 Octillion as well.
Base Gogeta would be this level (which idk what’s called) 2.5E29.
That’s 250 Octillion man
Respect
Where did you come up with domination multiplier?
nice
I always thought that vegetas elite genes gave him way higher zenkai than the other saiyans and trunks probably gets higher zenkai than Gohan even though I like Gohan more but it makes sense.
I could buy that if not for the insane zenkai Goku gets on Namek where he goes from 90,000 power level in base to 3,000,000 (a 33 times increase in a single zenkai!), Which is higher that any zenkai Vegeta ever got (that we know of).
@@azzkin9401not to mention the zenkai boosts goku black got. Which is still goku's body.
@@azzkin9401 100/3* times zenkai
Let it be known that future trunks is the only (alien) z fighter/character that didn't get a BS power up in the super manga
Kinda sad that he didn't get SS rage in the manga, but I rather him not get it if it wasn't going to be explain. As my favorite db character, him being stronger than the z fighter's in battle of gods (except SSG goku), is good enough for me
I'm gonna try to explain the most "ilogical" battle in the manga, Base Black winning against upgraded SSJ2 Trunks:
I think Trunks had a really weakened base power against Black due to the lack of food, then later against Goku he is at full power cause he ate a sensu bean, and maybe Goku wasn't going all out in the forms he used against Trunks. Also most likely SSJ and SSJ Blue/Rose for Goku Black are much smaller multipliers than for Goku, that would explain why Vegeta in SSJ2 was on par with Black using SSJ
while you start your sentence with "i think" it automatically invalidates itself, it's just a headcanon
Making Gohan 61 times stronger than ssj3 goku is absurd
I'm the 1000th like
I'm surprised there was no over 9000 references
Training#3(Rosat):
Goku(Base) 7 177 734 375 000 = 625
SSJ 358 886 718 750 000 = 31 250
SSJ2 717 773 437 500 000 = 62 500
SSJ3 2 871 093 750 000 000 = 250 000
Super Saiyan God 229
Training #2(Whis):
Vegeta(Base) 5 455 078 125 000 = 475
SSJ 272 753 906 250 000 = 23 750
SSJ2 545 507 812 500 000 = 47 500
Super Saiyan God 174 562 500 000 000 000 000 = 15 200 000 000
Super Saiyan Blue 8 728 125 000 000 000 000 000 = 760 000 000 000
Goku(Base) 5 455 078 125 000 = 475
SSJ 272 753 906 250 000 = 23 750
SSJ2 545 507 812 500 000 = 47 500
SSJ3 2 182 031 250 000 000 = 190 000
Super Saiyan God 174 562 500 000 000 000 000 = 15 200 000 000
Super Saiyan Blue 8 728 125 000 000 000 000 000 = 760 000 000 000
Training #1 (Whis):
Vegeta(Base) 4 364 062 500 000 = 380
SSJ 218 203 125 000 000 = 19 000
SSJ2 436 406 250 000 000 = 38 000
Super Saiyan God 139 650 000 000 000 000 000 = 12 160 000 000
Super Saiyan Blue 6 982 500 000 000 000 000 000 = 608 000 000 000
Goku(Base) 4 364 062 500 000 = 380
SSJ 218 203 125 000 000 = 19 000
SSJ2 436 406 250 000 000 = 38 000
SSJ3 1 745 625 000 000 000 = 152 000
Super Saiyan God 139 650 000 000 000 000 000 = 12 160 000 000
Super Saiyan Blue 6 982 500 000 000 000 000 000 = 608 000 000 000
Battle of Gods Arc:
Beerus(vs Super Saiyan God Goku) 689 062 500 000 000 000 = 60 000 000
Sphere of Destruction(Suppressed) 803 906 250 000 000 000 = 70 000 000
Super Saiyan God Goku(vs Beerus) 459 375 000 000 000 000 = 40 000 000
(SSG Kamehameha) 1 010 625 000 000 000 000 = 88 000 000
Beerus(On King Kai's Planet) = Unknown
SSJ2 Vegeta(Rage Boosted) 350 273 437 500 000 = 30 500
Ultimate Gohan(Boo Saga/Battle of Gods) 280 218 750 000 000 = 24 400
SSJ3 Gotenks(Boo Saga/Battle of Gods) 183 750 000 000 000 = 16 000
SSJ3 Goku(Battle of Gods on King Kai's Planet) 5 742 187 500 000 = 500
Base Vegeta(Rage Boosted) 3 502 734 375 000 = 305
Base Goku(Battle of Gods Beginning of The Arc) 14 355 468 750 = 1.25
Boo Saga:
Base Vegetto 574 218 750 000 000 = 50 000
SSJ 28 710 937 500 000 000 = 2 500 000
SSJ2 57 421 875 000 000 000 = 5 000 000
SSJ3 229 687 500 000 000 000 = 20 000 000
Ultimate Gohan(Boo Saga) 280 218 750 000 000 = 24 400
SSJ3 Gotenks(Boo Saga) 183 750 000 000 000 = 16 000
Base Goku(Spaceship) 11 484 375 000 = 1
SSJ 574 218 750 000 = 50
SSJ2 1 148 437 500 000 = 100
SSJ3 4 593 750 000 000 = 400
What i have drawn from this video is everyone should protect the island, it gives HORRENDOUS POWER
Uhh I don’t remember all the numbers from the GT video, which continuity got the stronger versions of each character?
@@JoesMama-ci3yl GT. He got into Vigintillions and broke Saiyan Scholar's calc
If Frieza gets gold Frieza gains in 3 months training wouldn't he become stronger than similar powered opponents literally within the course of a single battle??? He should have been stronger than super saipan Goku by the end of their battle??? No?
zero thoughts head empty like with Evangelion.
Then Comes Dragon Ball Ultra Multipliers. XD
Bro at this rate goku finna solo all of dc verse in base form 💀💀💀
As a powerscaller i clicked so fast lol
Okay so theoretically, using the DBZ manga scale and the multipliers and domination multipliers, we could work out power LEVELS for these guys, no?
Yes you could
It’s actually not granola bloodline helping him grow stronger against UE vegeta
It’s more of the wish
The wish is continuously making them stronger. As vegeta gets even stronger, the wish gives granola a slight edge in power
The fusion dance multiplier has been retconned
Gogeta specifically said their power has been multiplied significantly
Meaning A x B = c/gogeta in this case
We know this is highly true as gogeta in base could keep up with broly and super saiyan was dominating said broly
That’s the same broly who goku and vegeta using a full powered final flash and kamehameha couldn’t flinch. We know how much of an increase this 2 get when they fight together instead as one as even jiren had to use more power than he had ever used to defeat belmod to defeat goku and vegeta teaming up on him to finally put them down
Gogeta multiplier maybe > ssbkkx20 or if not higher than the universe 7 super spirit bomb
Now how strong would frieza be??
Well it depends, if you think Seth is right about frieza being a hisoka level intellect who could gauge his opponents skill levels and potential, then frieza might have already gauged just how much stronger goku and vegeta could potentially become and even how much stronger gogeta/vegito would be
I say vegito as frieza was present when kefla fused
If we don’t take that scaling, then frieza is still easily at the fusions strength
After seeing how powerful gogeta was, he would have trained just in case he was to fight a potentially white haired gogeta
Not only fight but absolutely bully white hair gogeta
Low balled
Black frieza >>> white haired/mui gogeta
High balled:
Base frieza >>>>> mui gogeta
Using Seth scaling
Base frieza would one shot kill true ultra instinct gogeta
@@Zeno1781 with Seth scaling not even close
@@Zeno1781 basically based on jiren power at his peak at the extent of his full power he basically a margin higher then belmoth but in skillbase he struggle with uio and mui and barely studied him
However in the anime he might be stronger then belmoth since whis repeat himself so jiren at his peak based on strength is below his manga counter part who got a significant boost in the manga
So the manga jiren is 25,000 times stronger then his anime counter part as best based on power not skills
@@user-o10oo0oo0o anime jiren is stronger as a suppressed jiren before reaching his full power was stronger than all the gods
Belmod even states
“I haven’t seen that much power from jiren”
Implying jiren might have held back when he defeated him
@@Zeno1781 well he may have trained
But according to the fusion
When gogeta was born it states when both users are eqaul the fusion born but once the fusion born basically gogeta base starts off way stronger then goku mui from the start of the battle and once he turn ssj he and broly surpass a god but also surpass several gods when they go lssj and ssb and broly did probably surpass lord beerus only because his power was estimated greater
Since then they comfired broly power is superior to jiren
Which means the tournament of powers was a hype while broly power is even above jiren and granola and gas and morus73 So all of that goku went through wasn't merely enough to surpass broly who stated to be solified to beerus in terms of Raw power
I think when they said "somehow we win" it means they only won due to Gogeta or didnt believe gogeta could do it themselves but gogeta just won either
alguem traz isso pro br???
Can you do like a slideshow similar to what you did in GT
I just need to get the final power of Goku
You mean post 100 years end of Gt Goku ?
@@samirsaidi2223 yuppp
I'm trying to compare scholars calculations
@ I can give you my own I made a while ago, if you want
Does someone knows the name of the song that starts at 38:59?
I've heard it like 8 years ago, and I couldn't find it since
Dragon Ball Af Power Levels?????
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I'm a halfhour in and buddy is already using numbers that don't sound real
I have a question. Since SSJ is 50 x base form, is SSJ 2 a multiplication of base or SSJ 1 and is SSJ 3 a multiplication of SSJ 2 or base?
Official confirmed Multipliers:
SSJ1 - x50 Base
SSJ2 - x2 SSJ1/x100 Base
SSJ3 - x4 SSJ2/x8 SSJ1/x400 Base
Nah cuz when you think about saiyans are lowkey black just more so lightskin with color changing hair😂😂
what
Guys base cabba is at 500 now go watch GT video