For anyone installing this kit on a '22 or older SD Tremor -- or any SD with 35's -- you can eek out more space with two slight changes: 1 - fully remove the bottom trim bolt, drill a 3/16" hole in the flap at this location and use one of the stainless screws and washers in it's place. This will get you almost 1/2" more clearance. 2 - From the back, under, facing forward drill a 3/16" hole through the support brace at the bend where it meets the front mount and use one of the included sheet metal screws (mine came with sheet metal screws for mounting without the mount so I'm assuming everyone's did - if not use whatever) - this gets you another 1/2-3/4" on the far inside of the flap. With those two changes my '22 SD Tremor with 0 offset 18's and 35" nitto grapplers fit without rubbing. If I ran chains a lot I'd probably want to look into the oversized offroad setup gatorback sells. I don't, though, so this worked fo rme.
Also was missing one of the plastic round spacers for the rear assembly. Seems to work ok without. Will check at hardware store to see if I can buy something similar
You can see Ford's Service Bulletin here: madocumentupload.marketingassociates.com/api/Document/GetFile?v1=4308910&v2=053118090401&v3=60&v4=e394aaf750deb0720fc91d4edaa4060c2429ccc970464c5609e76913&v5=False
Ford you should include mud flaps on all your super-duty trucks from the assembly plant as part o f the high price your getting for these trucks . All but a few truck manufacturers don't include stone guards . Thanks for the information video.
Truck Hardware I dont like the picket that’s formed between the mounting plate and the fenderwell. I also don’t like how the other style traps debris either. Guess I’ll go without.
they forgot to tell you to drill out the plastic fender liner behind the expansion nuts. reason being the 010045 screws push against the fender dislodging the expansion nuts. just a heads up.
clarkesh20,the plastic fender liner or the fibre one needs to be drilled out otherwise those cheap inserts will pop out every time,this company has been advised of this a long time ago and has chosen to do nothing about it,every time its" we havn't heard of that" or "we havn't had any complaints",i was told to "flip the insert around",lmfao!,same goes for the junk front brackets on the f-150's where they rub on the bracket coming off the frame and creates a lot of grinding noise in the cab yet they havn't solved that concern in close to 2 years now!
I had to drill out behind one of the expansion nuts for the reason you stated. Also found that there was little room between the tire and the mud flaps when you turn the wheel.
if these flaps are so heavy duty why can't I just install it by screwing it in through the flap with just a washer without the ugly metal bracket that sticks out like a sore thumb in the wheel well?
Hi David. This is something we would love to improve in the future. With our latest kits for the F-450 and Raptor, the strip washer is anodized black, and the design is more attractive. The strip washer seen in the video can be painted black (we have used rock guard or undercoating). Please note the inboard location of the mounting points. The strip washer distributes pressure to the outside edge of the fender/flare, keeping the rubber tight against the fender. While the strip washer may not be very attractive unpainted, due to it's formed shape and edges, it is rigid and does it's job well. Raptor kit: ua-cam.com/video/3maO54UjnDs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/aNGYz4VMHNs/v-deo.html goo.gl/tOUJik
The flaps system is a "No Drill" Bracket system that can help one install our flaps without drilling in to the body of the truck. Our flaps generally weigh 4-5 lbs each side so it has to be something that can hold it. The strip washer is there because the flare is actually angled and it helps to keep the flaps tight against the wheel well. We didn't blacken the strip washer in an attempt to keep the cost down. We know many dealers will use a rock guard spray to camouflage it. Hope this added info is helpful!
Instructions and video leave something to be desired but managed to get one installed. Will do the rest in the morning. When I turn the front wheel there is almost no room between the tire and the mud flap. A paper thin gap at best. Also both the paper instructions and the video show the mudflaps with slots already cut out. My mud flaps had no slotted holes but there was a template in the packaging showing where to cut slots in the mud flaps. That is no easy job as they are such heavy rubber.These things are unbelievably expensive and there has to be a simpler, cleaner way to install mudflaps
The slots are cut into the flaps when you buy the official Ford Accessory kit from Ford, which is what is shown in this video. It's possible to purchase a similar flap and brackets from our dealers. The flap you purchased was originally designed as a universal design which will work on many different makes and models. If you bought the flap with the intent to install it on an older truck you wouldn't want unnecessary holes punched in the rubber. Our friends at sharptruck.com made a video showing how to cut holes in the rubber which you can see here: ua-cam.com/video/FhY5R92Ko-o/v-deo.html There should be plenty of clearance between the flap and tire with a stock wheel and tire. Every truck is a little bit different so yours just might have less space than normal. If an over-sized tire is used, you can get more clearance by switching to an offset style flap.
the off set flaps don't create enough clearance either,done lots of 2 inch level kits on both the f-150 and super duty and even with larger tires the clearance is just not there,and besides you guys don't even make a slotted off set flap to fit these brackets anyway,its a crap shoot trying to make something fit these fender brackets and garbage plastic inserts that keep pulling out,the cost of these flaps are through the roof,we are currently seeking other options as customers are not wanting to pay such a high price for them,the f-150 flaps are a joke too because the bracket rubs on the bar mounted from the frame,bend the bracket out more and the tires rub so bad on the flaps,extremely poorly designed product,not sure how ford even approved such a poor design!
Ford approved the no drill brackets and flaps for stock trucks. If you have any modifications, then you do need to use some type of offset. Unfortunately, we don't have anything custom for folks that add lifts or larger tires. That is something the customer has to determine what is the right fit for them. We do have a custom offset that works with the no drill brackets but it is only a 5/8" which only sets back the width of the flap itself. If you have larger wheels, you may need a larger offset to give you more room in the wheel well. Again, unfortunately, there are no firm and fast rules as every tire size, flare etc. are different for each person. The nylon inserts are not good if re-used. If you need more, please contact us and we'd be happy to send you new ones at n/c. If you let us know your location, perhaps we can direct you to an installer or ours would be happy to speak with you!
My truck is stock. A 2017 F350 Lariat PSD with 20" tires. Got the rest of the flaps installed the next day. In general the install went ok. Just had to be patient and repeatedly look at the paper instructions and the UA-cam video plus use some common sense. They look nice but not sure how I feel about the SS brackets that you can see. Will get used to it no doubt. Space between the tire and flap on the drivers side is paper thin. A little more room on passenger side. At least I can see daylight on that side. Tried adjusting the bracket on the drivers side but to no avail. Did have to drill a hole in the factory liner for one of the plastic expansion nuts as the liner kept pushing it out. Instructions leave a lot to be desired and does the video. Mfg needs to go to the Ikea school of making instructions easy to follow.
Thank you Bruce, we appreciate your patience. We generally have sold mainly to dealerships so we are still in the "learning" process to make them more user friendly! We may have to get a truck and do another install to see if there has been any changes as you should have more clearance. The strip you see was the only way we could get the flap to hold tight up to the wheel well without having people to drill in to the body of the truck. What many do is just get a can or rock guard and spray it black. It holds up pretty well and can be touched up. We held of on anodizing that piece because we already knew customers were paying that extra cost to have a no drill system and we were trying to keep the price down as much as we could. If you have any suggestions, we are very open to hearing them. You can email info@truckhardware.ca. The manager see's the all. We just did a lot of updates to the SD install sheets as a result of a customer....but perhaps you didn't get the updated one. We will review them again. Thank you again and we do sincerely hope you like them!
For anyone installing this kit on a '22 or older SD Tremor -- or any SD with 35's -- you can eek out more space with two slight changes:
1 - fully remove the bottom trim bolt, drill a 3/16" hole in the flap at this location and use one of the stainless screws and washers in it's place. This will get you almost 1/2" more clearance.
2 - From the back, under, facing forward drill a 3/16" hole through the support brace at the bend where it meets the front mount and use one of the included sheet metal screws (mine came with sheet metal screws for mounting without the mount so I'm assuming everyone's did - if not use whatever) - this gets you another 1/2-3/4" on the far inside of the flap.
With those two changes my '22 SD Tremor with 0 offset 18's and 35" nitto grapplers fit without rubbing.
If I ran chains a lot I'd probably want to look into the oversized offroad setup gatorback sells. I don't, though, so this worked fo rme.
Also was missing one of the plastic round spacers for the rear assembly. Seems to work ok without. Will check at hardware store to see if I can buy something similar
Where is the link to Fords Aluminum Body Hardware Policies as stated at 1:05 ?
You can see Ford's Service Bulletin here:
madocumentupload.marketingassociates.com/api/Document/GetFile?v1=4308910&v2=053118090401&v3=60&v4=e394aaf750deb0720fc91d4edaa4060c2429ccc970464c5609e76913&v5=False
Ford you should include mud flaps on all your super-duty trucks from the assembly plant as part o f the high price your getting for these trucks . All but a few truck manufacturers don't include stone guards . Thanks for the information video.
I guess if you've got the money for a diesel Platinum then whats another $400 for mud-flaps... SMH
Tom Sitar....You are right!! Mud flaps on super duty and wheel wells !!
Didn’t the tire rub at 6:53? I was considering these but not after watching this.
The flaps don't rub, but the clearance is tight. With stock wheels an tires there's no issue.
Truck Hardware I dont like the picket that’s formed between the mounting plate and the fenderwell. I also don’t like how the other style traps debris either. Guess I’ll go without.
they forgot to tell you to drill out the plastic fender liner behind the expansion nuts. reason being the 010045 screws push against the fender dislodging the expansion nuts. just a heads up.
Thank you for the feedback. We'll check this out and see if our instructions need to be revised.
clarkesh20,the plastic fender liner or the fibre one needs to be drilled out otherwise those cheap inserts will pop out every time,this company has been advised of this a long time ago and has chosen to do nothing about it,every time its" we havn't heard of that" or "we havn't had any complaints",i was told to "flip the insert around",lmfao!,same goes for the junk front brackets on the f-150's where they rub on the bracket coming off the frame and creates a lot of grinding noise in the cab yet they havn't solved that concern in close to 2 years now!
I had to drill out behind one of the expansion nuts for the reason you stated. Also found that there was little room between the tire and the mud flaps when you turn the wheel.
yup,and we still wait for a solve to this problem,we are seeking other brands in the meantime!
Are you installing on a stock truck Bruce? Our manager is out until Monday, if you are willing, can you phone and speak to her?
if these flaps are so heavy duty why can't I just install it by screwing it in through the flap with just a washer without the ugly metal bracket that sticks out like a sore thumb in the wheel well?
Hi David. This is something we would love to improve in the future. With our latest kits for the F-450 and Raptor, the strip washer is anodized black, and the design is more attractive. The strip washer seen in the video can be painted black (we have used rock guard or undercoating). Please note the inboard location of the mounting points. The strip washer distributes pressure to the outside edge of the fender/flare, keeping the rubber tight against the fender. While the strip washer may not be very attractive unpainted, due to it's formed shape and edges, it is rigid and does it's job well.
Raptor kit:
ua-cam.com/video/3maO54UjnDs/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/aNGYz4VMHNs/v-deo.html
goo.gl/tOUJik
Not a fan of that flap system, looks like something thrown together with all those metal brackets showing in the wheel well.
Thank you for the feedback. We agree that there's room for improvement. The metal support brackets could be hidden better.
The flaps system is a "No Drill" Bracket system that can help one install our flaps without drilling in to the body of the truck. Our flaps generally weigh 4-5 lbs each side so it has to be something that can hold it. The strip washer is there because the flare is actually angled and it helps to keep the flaps tight against the wheel well. We didn't blacken the strip washer in an attempt to keep the cost down. We know many dealers will use a rock guard spray to camouflage it. Hope this added info is helpful!
Instructions and video leave something to be desired but managed to get one installed. Will do the rest in the morning. When I turn the front wheel there is almost no room between the tire and the mud flap. A paper thin gap at best. Also both the paper instructions and the video show the mudflaps with slots already cut out. My mud flaps had no slotted holes but there was a template in the packaging showing where to cut slots in the mud flaps. That is no easy job as they are such heavy rubber.These things are unbelievably expensive and there has to be a simpler, cleaner way to install mudflaps
The slots are cut into the flaps when you buy the official Ford Accessory kit from Ford, which is what is shown in this video. It's possible to purchase a similar flap and brackets from our dealers. The flap you purchased was originally designed as a universal design which will work on many different makes and models. If you bought the flap with the intent to install it on an older truck you wouldn't want unnecessary holes punched in the rubber. Our friends at sharptruck.com made a video showing how to cut holes in the rubber which you can see here:
ua-cam.com/video/FhY5R92Ko-o/v-deo.html
There should be plenty of clearance between the flap and tire with a stock wheel and tire. Every truck is a little bit different so yours just might have less space than normal. If an over-sized tire is used, you can get more clearance by switching to an offset style flap.
the off set flaps don't create enough clearance either,done lots of 2 inch level kits on both the f-150 and super duty and even with larger tires the clearance is just not there,and besides you guys don't even make a slotted off set flap to fit these brackets anyway,its a crap shoot trying to make something fit these fender brackets and garbage plastic inserts that keep pulling out,the cost of these flaps are through the roof,we are currently seeking other options as customers are not wanting to pay such a high price for them,the f-150 flaps are a joke too because the bracket rubs on the bar mounted from the frame,bend the bracket out more and the tires rub so bad on the flaps,extremely poorly designed product,not sure how ford even approved such a poor design!
Ford approved the no drill brackets and flaps for stock trucks. If you have any modifications, then you do need to use some type of offset. Unfortunately, we don't have anything custom for folks that add lifts or larger tires. That is something the customer has to determine what is the right fit for them. We do have a custom offset that works with the no drill brackets but it is only a 5/8" which only sets back the width of the flap itself. If you have larger wheels, you may need a larger offset to give you more room in the wheel well. Again, unfortunately, there are no firm and fast rules as every tire size, flare etc. are different for each person. The nylon inserts are not good if re-used. If you need more, please contact us and we'd be happy to send you new ones at n/c. If you let us know your location, perhaps we can direct you to an installer or ours would be happy to speak with you!
My truck is stock. A 2017 F350 Lariat PSD with 20" tires. Got the rest of the flaps installed the next day. In general the install went ok. Just had to be patient and repeatedly look at the paper instructions and the UA-cam video plus use some common sense. They look nice but not sure how I feel about the SS brackets that you can see. Will get used to it no doubt. Space between the tire and flap on the drivers side is paper thin. A little more room on passenger side. At least I can see daylight on that side. Tried adjusting the bracket on the drivers side but to no avail. Did have to drill a hole in the factory liner for one of the plastic expansion nuts as the liner kept pushing it out. Instructions leave a lot to be desired and does the video. Mfg needs to go to the Ikea school of making instructions easy to follow.
Thank you Bruce, we appreciate your patience. We generally have sold mainly to dealerships so we are still in the "learning" process to make them more user friendly! We may have to get a truck and do another install to see if there has been any changes as you should have more clearance. The strip you see was the only way we could get the flap to hold tight up to the wheel well without having people to drill in to the body of the truck. What many do is just get a can or rock guard and spray it black. It holds up pretty well and can be touched up. We held of on anodizing that piece because we already knew customers were paying that extra cost to have a no drill system and we were trying to keep the price down as much as we could. If you have any suggestions, we are very open to hearing them. You can email info@truckhardware.ca. The manager see's the all. We just did a lot of updates to the SD install sheets as a result of a customer....but perhaps you didn't get the updated one. We will review them again. Thank you again and we do sincerely hope you like them!