and he said it turned on 8 hours after they were found. Wrong. It was 8 hours before they were found. They should quit calling the unspent cartridge “the magic bullet” and start calling the phone the “magic phone” since it can randomly turn on without human intervention even with a fully dead battery.
@@livecalm2246 oh yes he was. Lebrato, his former attorney said at time of his arrest he weighed 206. Look it up. He said he got down to like 120 something, not sure of exact number but around there and he put some of it back on. That weight he put back on is what he weighs now.
@@songbirdy He wasn’t arrested until 5 years later. Two months prior to the BG video was taken Allen was of normal weight in a video jumping around a pool table. He is not the tall large guy in the video
Has anyone else noticed the way bridge guy walks…. It appears there is something wrong with his right leg. Watch when he walks he lifts his right leg slightly higher as if there is a problem with his knee.
He's irrelevant, as the evidence showed on Tuesday (pay close attention to the times, the distance he was away,and the time it takes to cross the bridge-5mins). BG's voice is neither on the 43 second video or is he involved in the abduction, he was still minutes away...timing is very important,pay close attention to it! BG2, was 20mins away at Freedom Bridge, as witnessed by the girls,the 5'10" young guy with long,curly blonde hair!
It's very odd, but also odd the pathologist forgot to check the core temperature and also forgot to check the stomach contents , everything that establishes a time line just mysteriously happens to be missing.
OK, a box cutter and a serrated knife are completely different. How do you make that mistake? I don’t think it was a box cutter. I think they’re just saying that now because one of the confessions said a box cutter in it
Richard Allen’s only daughter looks like Libby. In 2017 RA’s daughter was either getting married/ just got married and had left/was leaving home. So there were some things going on at home for him. There was a pic of his daughter in a tie-dye t-shirt just like Libby’s. I have heard his wife and parents are at court every day-but no one has mentioned his daughter being there.
Richard Allen was not part of this crime. He was out hiking and, 6 years later, law enforcement used him as a way to win the sheriff election. You're correct about Abby being the target, though. And I pray the real suspects are arrested someday.
I wonder if he tried to dress Abby after her death and just got the wrong clothes. He would have realised when he went to dress Libby but may not have wanted to spend any longer at the scene. Or maybe he ordered her to dress and gave her the wrong clothes and they just didn’t say anything to correct him out of fear.
Incorrect information. wen phone spiked back on at 4 something am wasn't 8hours after girls were found they were found at back of 12pm on 14th 8 hours before
I was just thinking that! This guy is giving wrong info daily, mispronouncing their names, switching their names. It’s so aggravating. This is supposed to be the news!!!
This is why Judge Gall only wants legacy media seeing the evidence. They are not very good at their jobs. The you tube lawyers put on 2-4 hours a night with lots of detail.
@@KohalaLoverFor one this guy said Abby had straight line cuts. Abby had one cut on left side around carotid area. Libby had been cut from left to right and in the center she had a deep open gaping wound. Her cuts had been gone over more than once in that area and Abby had one straight cut. I got this from a UA-cam reporter who has been there everyday and she takes copious notes and diagrams. And this guy here says one thing and the diagram chart they post says something else. And then he reports on that 4 thirty am after the bodies were found bs.
Other stations aren't reporting this. And the text from grandma came at 4:06 pm, not am. per a different broadcast. This station also reported it powered down at 4:30 pm. (or a.m. i cant remember) but they don't say it came back on. Don't rely or react as one broadcast being the truth.
@@songbirdy At 4:30am around 15 text messages came in. Also, the phone stopped pinging to the cell network earlier in the evening. So, something changed everything at 4:30am. This info was mentioned in previous hearings and court filings.
@@Letsberealish I don't know much about how these phones work...but if the phone wasn't pinging from that tower wouldn't it be pinging from some other tower and couldn't they figure that out? Could the fact the phone was found under a tennis shoe underneath Abby interfere with pinging?
Whoever is talking their timeline does not match the screen. And if a phone powers down how does it wake back up? Doesn’t it need to be turned back on? Talk about false information! Get it right dude
Not one of the witnesses so far seem to know a damn thing. I just don’t get it. Even the experts are saying they “don’t know”. Seriously. I live in Indiana. Where did they find these so called experts???
@@anitabee57 right? I realize this is only the beginning of the trial but OMG… these are the experts? I followed the Murdaugh trial and it was impeccable the way they handled phone, firearm, and coroner evidence. Their recreation expert had it down to a T. So far these clown have been laughable - unless media is intentionally withholding ANY info that might implicate him…. What a joke and pissing match to kick the FBI out. Idiots with ego..
@@babs623 I wonder if Russ is taking liberties with the original testimony or if the witness actually said powered down vs was unable to communicate with the tower, as if it were off. They also said it didn’t move, but if it were turned off, how do they know if it moved or not while it was off?
@@Anu20810 The reporter thought it turned on 8 hours after they were found so didn’t even bother to understand why this seems so ludicrous, because to him an investigator prob turned it on. This is why televised trials are important. Time for a new source of information.
@@ReactorFour yes it is important. Those girls deserve justice. No one till now knew how horrific these killings were. So hard to hear what happened to these girls. Can't even imagine what the parents and siblings are going through.
So the phone died at 10 something PM. Then it turned on at 5 something AM. That doesn’t jive with what you say, the battery died at 10 something PM. Not to mention I’ve owned iPhones since 2008 as well as an iPhone 6s, with the same carrier as Libby, and I live in Indiana, and I have never once ever seen or heard of an iphone turn on without being turned on or a live charger being plugged into it. Ever. Especially when dead. People, a very small amount considering how many have iPhones, less than 100 people, complain of this but it was due to them turning it off while charging…. It turns back on, and this is normal. Apple support states over and over that the phone should not automatically turn on after it was turned off. Can you back up this claim?
The last for sure person to see them alive and had all of LG passwords to the phone. And now her hair was found wrapped around AW pinky finger at the crime scene. Imo they have the wrong person charged for this crime
Here's the braindead media getting it all wrong once again! If BG can only be seen by a forensic video technician, not by the naked eye (hence the poor quality),he's really far away! It takes over 5mins to walk that bridge, the video is less than 43secs,so how can it be BG's voice on the video? The girls were off of the structure, they were standing on gravel,so they were accosted from BEHIND on the south end of the bridge...common sense! This was all evidence presented to the jury on Tuesday the 22nd,there's a good chance BG had absolutely nothing to do with this crime, he never even knew it had taken place? Best he can be is an accomplice,but how someone subdue 2 x teenagers silently, meaning, if it was by a gun,it wasn't BG's gun,he was still minutes away, and by 2.16pm,just THREE MINUTES after the video, someone tried to access Libby's phone, BG still wasn't there by then either, so the girls were already incapacitated, as that access was denied! I wish the few journalists who are allowed in,would carefully listen to what's being said, and are able to join the dots! No wonder, if you want to hear what really happened, you have to listen to the UA-cam lawyers who have to queue outside every day from 3am,while the lazy,nonthinkers,waltz in at 9am,and write trash!
So how does the phone power off at 10 PM if they were dead by 4PM? How does a message come thru at 4:30 in the morning?? Why doesn't the state's so called expert understand how this could happen?? Why wasn't the phone analyzed by an FBI expert & why where they kicked off the case??
I am shocked the Coroner when he suspected a box cutter didn’t further investigate ruling a box cutter in or out. Incompetent or just wanted to implant his “opinion” due to coerced confession. I think this part of his testimony should be removed. Very unprofessional.
We need the audio it creates so much confusion without having the testimony to the public . Does that mean at 10:35 the phone went to sleep mode because the battery was low? Was it an iPhone I think , well how do those normally look if you put a phone on the ground overnight on the data without touching it
He didn’t insinuate anything, it was testimony from the pathologist that performed the autopsies. It does matter because controlling two people at 100lbs is easier than two people, one at 100 lbs and one at 200 lbs, especially when the accused is only 150 lbs.
@@giovanna722 it was the autopsy report and the testimony of the pathologist. No insinuation, just facts. The reporter pointed out these facts because moving and dressing a 200lb body could be very difficult if not impossible for a 5’4” 150lb middle aged guy. (Yes I’m aware that she may have not been moved and she was not dressed) The defense is trying to inject reasonable doubt… this is a way to maybe do that. It’s not convincing to me given what I know right now, but certainly they are trying to sew doubt. I don’t see why this makes you so upset. Libby was heavier than RA and RA was heavier than Abby. I’d be a lot more upset if they didn’t have and report this information. Are you upset that they essentially acknowledge that Libby wasn’t a petite girl? No one cares about that, we know she was a brave, smart, and courageous little girl.
@@JillyBean426 if anything it changes a few things. At that weight one person can't carry them both. So I personally think them being dumped later is out. Please understand I'm not criticizing her weight here.
These poor babies. I truly hope their families are at the very least coping with their loss ❤
200lbs don’t think that a little girl is weighing 200lbs
It’s true. It’s also on the fbi website.
I do not understand that phone timeline. Very odd
I agree. How did the phone turn on randomly after it ran out of battery?? Seems impossible unless another human did it?
If they found the phone at the crime scene then maybe someone came back to the crime scene later? It is very strange.
and he said it turned on 8 hours after they were found. Wrong. It was 8 hours before they were found. They should quit calling the unspent cartridge “the magic bullet” and start calling the phone the “magic phone” since it can randomly turn on without human intervention even with a fully dead battery.
@@ReactorFourlol
Agreed. Dude talking isn’t giving the same info as what’s on the screen
RA was heavier at the time of his arrest. I hope the jury knows this.
I think he's framed. I think he's innocent, of course I can be wrong. But I do believe in his innocence
@@livecalm2246 oh yes he was. Lebrato, his former attorney said at time of his arrest he weighed 206. Look it up. He said he got down to like 120 something, not sure of exact number but around there and he put some of it back on. That weight he put back on is what he weighs now.
@@songbirdy Maybe he was 6 inches taller too lol and maybe you need glasses.
@@songbirdy He wasn’t arrested until 5 years later. Two months prior to the BG video was taken Allen was of normal weight in a video jumping around a pool table. He is not the tall large guy in the video
@@livecalm2246 I've seen family pics. His face was always fuller. Wasn't all thin and drawn like it is now. He nev er looked scrawny like he does now.
Has anyone else noticed the way bridge guy walks…. It appears there is something wrong with his right leg. Watch when he walks he lifts his right leg slightly higher as if there is a problem with his knee.
Bc the bridge is missing wood piles.
The bridge was railroad ties at the time. So large gaps.
He's irrelevant, as the evidence showed on Tuesday (pay close attention to the times, the distance he was away,and the time it takes to cross the bridge-5mins). BG's voice is neither on the 43 second video or is he involved in the abduction, he was still minutes away...timing is very important,pay close attention to it! BG2, was 20mins away at Freedom Bridge, as witnessed by the girls,the 5'10" young guy with long,curly blonde hair!
Yeah how does the phone "spike in power" and come on itself. My phone never comes on itself once its powered off lol
My last phone, if i had an alarm set, and the phone was off...damn thing would turn on just to play the alarm. That drove me nuts.
@@DonFonzarelli-uq9yx Interesting
It's very odd, but also odd the pathologist forgot to check the core temperature and also forgot to check the stomach contents , everything that establishes a time line just mysteriously happens to be missing.
It happens my two old phones did that
Why are there no written transcripts of this trial being released?
Because the judge has issues………. The transcripts will be released but not for a while.
@@ReactorFour amazing the crap she gets away with
Agreed.
OK, a box cutter and a serrated knife are completely different. How do you make that mistake? I don’t think it was a box cutter. I think they’re just saying that now because one of the confessions said a box cutter in it
I’m disgusted. The expert doesn’t really know shit.
Forensic examiner doesn’t understand difference between tearing or ripping of skin vs serrated edges. Low quality “medical examiner.”
Justice for Abby and Libby💔❤️💔
Guy seem to have a bad right knee.
It almost seems like he was after Libby more than Abby. But why? Why would Abby have Libbys' clothing on? This is just too weird.
Richard Allen’s only daughter looks like Libby. In 2017 RA’s daughter was either getting married/ just got married and had left/was leaving home. So there were some things going on at home for him. There was a pic of his daughter in a tie-dye t-shirt just like Libby’s. I have heard his wife and parents are at court every day-but no one has mentioned his daughter being there.
Ra is being framed
Richard Allen was not part of this crime. He was out hiking and, 6 years later, law enforcement used him as a way to win the sheriff election.
You're correct about Abby being the target, though. And I pray the real suspects are arrested someday.
I wonder if he tried to dress Abby after her death and just got the wrong clothes. He would have realised when he went to dress Libby but may not have wanted to spend any longer at the scene.
Or maybe he ordered her to dress and gave her the wrong clothes and they just didn’t say anything to correct him out of fear.
@@LetsberealishIt's the biggest cover up in the history of cover ups. Guarantee high profile people are involved.
You forgot to mention that the pathologist changed his opinion about the weapon but only told the prosecution, not the defense.
He didn’t change his opinion, he added that it could have even been a box cutter.
@@dianealarcon8304After Holman and McLeland told him...another one changing their statements to satisfy those two
430am is 8 hours before the bodies were found not after!
Incorrect information. wen phone spiked back on at 4 something am wasn't 8hours after girls were found they were found at back of 12pm on 14th 8 hours before
I was just thinking that! This guy is giving wrong info daily, mispronouncing their names, switching their names. It’s so aggravating. This is supposed to be the news!!!
This is why Judge Gall only wants legacy media seeing the evidence. They are not very good at their jobs. The you tube lawyers put on 2-4 hours a night with lots of detail.
I don't think we heard any testimony whether the battery was dead or not when they found it.
Just having them remove their clothes is sexually abusing them.
Why can’t these “journalists” get the details right? Every day, errors upon errors.
Please share what errors they made. Thank you.
It’s because there’s very few unbiased
We wouldn't have to rely on them if there were audio or transcripts released every day. There has to at least be a stenographer in that courtroom
Agree that’s why I listen to Nancy Grace because as they said on there it’s mountains of evidence against him
@@KohalaLoverFor one this guy said Abby had straight line cuts. Abby had one cut on left side around carotid area. Libby had been cut from left to right and in the center she had a deep open gaping wound. Her cuts had been gone over more than once in that area and Abby had one straight cut. I got this from a UA-cam reporter who has been there everyday and she takes copious notes and diagrams. And this guy here says one thing and the diagram chart they post says something else. And then he reports on that 4 thirty am after the bodies were found bs.
Phones wakes up? Just come out and say it. Someone turned the phone on.
Hell, yeah somebody turned that phone on. I just hate how they are doing this dance around everything it’s so annoying.
Other stations aren't reporting this. And the text from grandma came at 4:06 pm, not am. per a different broadcast. This station also reported it powered down at 4:30 pm. (or a.m. i cant remember) but they don't say it came back on. Don't rely or react as one broadcast being the truth.
@@songbirdy At 4:30am around 15 text messages came in. Also, the phone stopped pinging to the cell network earlier in the evening. So, something changed everything at 4:30am. This info was mentioned in previous hearings and court filings.
@@Letsberealish I don't know much about how these phones work...but if the phone wasn't pinging from that tower wouldn't it be pinging from some other tower and couldn't they figure that out? Could the fact the phone was found under a tennis shoe underneath Abby interfere with pinging?
Whoever is talking their timeline does not match the screen. And if a phone powers down how does it wake back up? Doesn’t it need to be turned back on? Talk about false information! Get it right dude
Phones can repower & loose signal especially in the woods
Abby was 100 lb libby was 200
She was bigger then RA? Cant believe that
Your time line on here is not correct. What happened when the phone was not moving from 2:18- 2:25?
Not one of the witnesses so far seem to know a damn thing. I just don’t get it. Even the experts are saying they “don’t know”. Seriously. I live in Indiana. Where did they find these so called experts???
What I find really crazy is that the FBI was involved & somehow was kicked off the case!!
The phone 'expert' had a lot of "I don't know" answers..
@@anitabee57 right? I realize this is only the beginning of the trial but OMG… these are the experts? I followed the Murdaugh trial and it was impeccable the way they handled phone, firearm, and coroner evidence. Their recreation expert had it down to a T. So far these clown have been laughable - unless media is intentionally withholding ANY info that might implicate him…. What a joke and pissing match to kick the FBI out. Idiots with ego..
Has the pathologist explained if their throats were cut before or after putting their clothes back on? Were they manually restrained?
There we go!!!! Box cutter! As he admitted to lock his ass up and throw away the key lock the wife up too
It was box cutter that's why cut was wider bc razor.
Can you set your phone to power down at a certain time and come back on ready to set off a morning alarm etc…?
said different times then the screen reads
I am pretty sure that the police had said that the voice is not the real voice, like blurred , something like that
Pathetic
Allen’s phone? Where’s that? He had with him as said in his statement
It’s one out of 23 phones they recovered that wasn’t found
Did they recover any phone data from RA’s phone 📱? Didn’t he say he was watching stock ticker
I still think Richard Allen is the one who did that to those young girls
New Judge crooked court
Waterproof / dry bag faraday cage? Unclear 1st extraction “power down” meaning. Perhaps perp manipulated phone through faraday cage dry bag.
Its clear there are at least 2 ppl involved. Just my opinion
Ron Logan he took girls right to his property.
Thats why cut was wide bc box cutter
Either investigators missed drag marks (tyvek sheet?) for Libby or the perp had a game cart available although he didn’t move her far.
What does powers down mean on her phone?
@@babs623 I wonder if Russ is taking liberties with the original testimony or if the witness actually said powered down vs was unable to communicate with the tower, as if it were off. They also said it didn’t move, but if it were turned off, how do they know if it moved or not while it was off?
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How does the phone turn on? I just dont understand this? There is something missing.
@@Anu20810 The reporter thought it turned on 8 hours after they were found so didn’t even bother to understand why this seems so ludicrous, because to him an investigator prob turned it on. This is why televised trials are important. Time for a new source of information.
@@ReactorFour yes it is important. Those girls deserve justice. No one till now knew how horrific these killings were. So hard to hear what happened to these girls. Can't even imagine what the parents and siblings are going through.
Phones “wake up” right before they are about to run out of battery. That’s how.
@@mikesmith7124😂
So the phone died at 10 something PM. Then it turned on at 5 something AM. That doesn’t jive with what you say, the battery died at 10 something PM. Not to mention I’ve owned iPhones since 2008 as well as an iPhone 6s, with the same carrier as Libby, and I live in Indiana, and I have never once ever seen or heard of an iphone turn on without being turned on or a live charger being plugged into it. Ever. Especially when dead. People, a very small amount considering how many have iPhones, less than 100 people, complain of this but it was due to them turning it off while charging…. It turns back on, and this is normal. Apple support states over and over that the phone should not automatically turn on after it was turned off.
Can you back up this claim?
Bridge guy video is fake. Abby photo is fake. Its gotta be a family member! Imo mike and his pal were out there searching in the early morning hours!
The last for sure person to see them alive and had all of LG passwords to the phone. And now her hair was found wrapped around AW pinky finger at the crime scene. Imo they have the wrong person charged for this crime
❤️🙏🏻🧡🙏🏻
Here's the braindead media getting it all wrong once again! If BG can only be seen by a forensic video technician, not by the naked eye (hence the poor quality),he's really far away! It takes over 5mins to walk that bridge, the video is less than 43secs,so how can it be BG's voice on the video? The girls were off of the structure, they were standing on gravel,so they were accosted from BEHIND on the south end of the bridge...common sense! This was all evidence presented to the jury on Tuesday the 22nd,there's a good chance BG had absolutely nothing to do with this crime, he never even knew it had taken place? Best he can be is an accomplice,but how someone subdue 2 x teenagers silently, meaning, if it was by a gun,it wasn't BG's gun,he was still minutes away, and by 2.16pm,just THREE MINUTES after the video, someone tried to access Libby's phone, BG still wasn't there by then either, so the girls were already incapacitated, as that access was denied! I wish the few journalists who are allowed in,would carefully listen to what's being said, and are able to join the dots! No wonder, if you want to hear what really happened, you have to listen to the UA-cam lawyers who have to queue outside every day from 3am,while the lazy,nonthinkers,waltz in at 9am,and write trash!
So how does the phone power off at 10 PM if they were dead by 4PM?
How does a message come thru at 4:30 in the morning??
Why doesn't the state's so called expert understand how this could happen??
Why wasn't the phone analyzed by an FBI expert & why where they kicked off the case??
Russ isn't wearing his trademark hat 😥
I am shocked the Coroner when he suspected a box cutter didn’t further investigate ruling a box cutter in or out.
Incompetent or just wanted to implant his “opinion” due to coerced confession.
I think this part of his testimony should be removed. Very unprofessional.
The doctor is right people on UA-cam aren’t
We need the audio it creates so much confusion without having the testimony to the public . Does that mean at 10:35 the phone went to sleep mode because the battery was low? Was it an iPhone I think , well how do those normally look if you put a phone on the ground overnight on the data without touching it
That is so low and cheap to insinuate the girls were bigger than him.
He didn’t insinuate anything, it was testimony from the pathologist that performed the autopsies. It does matter because controlling two people at 100lbs is easier than two people, one at 100 lbs and one at 200 lbs, especially when the accused is only 150 lbs.
@@ReactorFour A 150lbs man with a gun can control about anything. Size don’t matter when one is aiming to kill
@@moondogrex4627 Exactly.
These people are in a court of law where they're sworn to tell the truth. Not insinuate.
@@giovanna722 it was the autopsy report and the testimony of the pathologist. No insinuation, just facts. The reporter pointed out these facts because moving and dressing a 200lb body could be very difficult if not impossible for a 5’4” 150lb middle aged guy. (Yes I’m aware that she may have not been moved and she was not dressed) The defense is trying to inject reasonable doubt… this is a way to maybe do that. It’s not convincing to me given what I know right now, but certainly they are trying to sew doubt. I don’t see why this makes you so upset. Libby was heavier than RA and RA was heavier than Abby. I’d be a lot more upset if they didn’t have and report this information. Are you upset that they essentially acknowledge that Libby wasn’t a petite girl? No one cares about that, we know she was a brave, smart, and courageous little girl.
What was the motive if not a sexual one?
Libby was 200 lbs?
What's your point?
@@SueDeNym08it’s just a question, why the hostility?
What does her weight have to do with anything??
Yes and she was a beautiful girl as well in case you haven't noticed now skedaddle with your unimportant question.
@@JillyBean426 if anything it changes a few things. At that weight one person can't carry them both. So I personally think them being dumped later is out. Please understand I'm not criticizing her weight here.
Not guilty
Bridge guy was too far away to be heard say those words he was 150 meters away
That was only a portion of the recording. His voice was recorded when he got to them.
Off topic.. both these hosts need new shoes!