There's no ballistics on a unspent round. There's extraction marks they can go by unfortunately they can’t prove it came from one specific gun. They can say it came from a brand and model gun. but there’s no way to say it came out of this exact gun. The carrol county sheriffs carried the same guns in 2017
Yeah, right, it is JUST A COINCIDENCE - the dude was dressed the same, was at the same place at the same time and has the same gun. Wow. I mean WOW. Cosmic. So many coincidences. Maybe he should start playing lottery
@@bambinaforever1402Out of 50,000 tips no one pointed to Richard Allen. There was only one tip that mentioned Richard Allen's name, when he said that he was there himself. I believe he was trying to be a good citizen and help the investigation and unfortunately that screwed him over. And let's keep in mind that in the police files he was CLEARED of any wrongdoing. There are several men from that area who have very disturbing criminal records and involving children, especially Keegan Kline. There is a mountain of evidence pointing at other people being involved. And that's why that crooked judge wouldn't allow that evidence in, there's no way you could dismiss it in court. Everyone in the court would immediately know that Allan is not the right person. The FBI and his former attorney believes that Odinism is involved and I 100% agree.
You believe him when he says what color were his clothes but you dont believe him when he denies killing them? Why not the other way around? They literally have nothing on him apart from his own statements. Nothing!
And… it was compared to a round that WAS fired out of RA’s gun because it wouldn’t make sufficient markings for analysis by racking the slide. The fired round ejected just a light casing… violently. The unspent cart, much heavier, was ejected relatively gently by hand. There is no way.
Weren't you listening...no one needs it to be simplified this is important facts. It was a handgun, not a rifle and not once did he mention using a hammer! 😅
Sure but you can probably narrow it down to at least a make and model if the cart has ever only been cycled once. Not as specific As rifling maybe, but how much less specific?
@@JayBee-cr8jmthe Odin theory is less of a chance of Richard Allen and I don't believe it's Richard Allen this is a lone opportunistic impulsive man..with a history of crimes leading up too this..they always are
I’ve been wondering the exact same thing. This isn’t rocket science. We can measure the bridge width and other dimensions for a calibration. Yes the bridge guy looks to be leaning slightly but you might be able to prove it ISNT Allen. It should be easy to calculate his height to within a few inches.
The examiner compared the unspent cartridge to a *fired* bullet what are we even doing here?? The examiner used extraction markings as a single point of comparison. Calling it a match is unserious and reckless.
@@AllEyesOnDelphi If the striations in the extraction marks match (assuming the comparison is properly done), it means either the suspect's gun, or one made very, very, very, very close to it on the production line, ejected the cartridge. It's not definitive, but it's suggestive. Add that to the suspect having this brand of cartridges in his house, and it's decent circumstantial evidence. With RA admittedly being in that park, on that day, it becomes a bit stronger. But then again, have RA's attorneys gotten the sales records for all of those guns close by in serial number? Maybe they did, and they were sold at distant places. But if not, they may be incompetent.
there gonna convince everyone that they can tell the difference between ejected cartridges and suspect weapons. i want to see this cartridge compared to 30 otheres, manually ejected from the same model gun. if it wasnt fired i dont see how there can be noticable and Unique, id bet that one of those othere test cartridges would be exactly the same
They had to fire a round out of RA’s gun to get any marks. They compared fired extraction / ejection marks to an unspent rounds extraction/ ejection marks. Also the neighbor to the crime scene had a gun chambered in 0.40 cal S&W and after analysis (they did not shoot this gun like RA’s) they could not exclude this gun as ejecting the cart found at the scene. Anyone who thinks this will hold weight is mistaken. How the judge could not let a defense expert testify is criminal imo.
The gun experts used the extraction mechanism and it left no markings so... they fired the weapon and compared ... not the same method at all! Unreal...
My husband asked WHY did he need to extract the cartridge. As he was in the army and knows about guns he said there is not reason for that - u put gun on safety and it will not fire
@@angies7279 or he lost a bullet some time before when he was there shooting his gun and never racked the gun but lost a bullet while shooting that is quite common. To scare the girls it would be enough to display the gun and the knife used to kill them
Unspent round is a legit term here. It essentially means unspent cartridge. Many did say unspent bullet, but no one was confused or mislead by what they were talking about. It is a nice clarification for many though.
Allen said he shot them… Holman fed that info to him in an interview so Allen thought they were shot. He confessed he shot & then buried them. The bullet is unspent meaning “unfired” they compared this bullet to a FIRED bullet. You have to match to another unfired bullet from the same magazine loaded and then eject. The same MAGAZINE and the marks Change overtime as you load/use, so is it the same magazine he had 4 years earlier? That makes a difference, Meanwhile where is the knife? You know… the weapon actually used?
I’m completely unfamiliar with guns. So, this basic terminology and discussion of structure of the bullet versus its cartridge is helpful to me. 🙌🏼 And from what he is saying, he sounds like a bullet that is ejected can have unique markings.
There are 2 other people whose guns couldn't be excluded. Also, another firearms expert called it junk science because guns are not longer hand tooled, they are machine made, so there is no longer any uniqueness to each gun. They are mass produced so all guns made at the same time by the same place will have identical marks. Please realize that the extractor marks are basically just surface scatches. The gun wasn't fired. Add to that the bullet was found in the ground under leaves. What marks are left from that? And finally, no real chain of custody. No pics with evidence marker, measure, etc. equals should have been tossed out.
Something very disturbing that I just learned is that blood was running UP one of the girls faces. This would suggest that she was hanging upside down at some point. That sounds like it was done by somebody who typically strings up game animals. Somebody who is a hunter. I believe at least 3-5 people were involved. There is eyewitness testimony from someone on the bridge who said they saw a group of people below the bridge near sunset on the day it happened.
Bullet, cartridge, tomato, tomato. People know what you mean when you say unspent bullet. The point is, it was a BULLET that had not been fired, but had been cycled through the gun. Sheesh
Ok, so he already had a round chambered and forgot before chambering another. Or racked the gun in order to intimidate the girls but didn't catch the cartridge that fell out. Both the extractor and the round being chambered would leave signature abrasions on the casing and shoulder of the bullet. This is old forensic science. Not sure what all the confusion is about.
They compared fired spent cartridges to the one that was unspent. They didn't take proper pictures for chain of evidence. They also could not xclude firearms owned by other people. And that's just the beginning of the testimony so far. We havent even heard from the experts on the tool markings yet.
@whodis1509 criminal defence lawyer scott reisch from crime talk, said the defense would bring an expert in that will disprove the state's experts. A battle of the experts basically is what he said
@@whodis1509- the procedure has high success rate when reporting a conclusive match. Researchers have proven that, as well as the fact that 1/3rd of “inconclusive” reports are actually definitive mismatches. So they already have a conclusive match reported. So they’re good to go even if they have inconclusive reports for the same cartridge for many other guns.
None of this matters as long as the prosecution places him at the scene of the crime by all of the evidence combined they can argue the bullet to the ends of the earth but when you look at all of the evidence stacking up that is all the truly matters! The odds say it was from his gun though plus he owned knives it's not like he didn't own knives and guns!
@@Dingo-u4x , Ted Bundy was a law student and worked for the governor of Washington State. Dennis Radar was a game warden and a deacon in his church. John Wayne Gacy was a pillar in his community even got to meet the president of the United States. Israel Keys was a decorated member of the United States military with a wife and daughter. I can go and on so your comment is null.
So how did richard get 9n his car covered in blood and clean it so well cops have had it since before arrest, still have it, and have no blood or hair fron the girls in it? Thats why it is the magic bullet. Because it is the only so called evidence the prosecution has.
I hear ya ! The crap words these media's pick out to create drama are awful ! I wonder why Angela didn't say that those 2 words were quickly objected to by the prosecution & Judge Gull agreed that it's not that at all 🤔 Shame on Angela... for promoting it, as this defenses evil words are gospel 😢 Words matter Angela, you seem to have forgotten 2 very young teens were brutally Mrdered & that both of their family's, friends, & also people who really care are still here & can hear you😤 Crap like this & the other crap said is exactly why Judge Gull has done her best to protect this case !
So, you want it associated with a repeatedly debunked theory about the Kennedy assassination? How many layers of dumb can we put on the defense's arguments?
There is nothing magical about that bullet period! The matching of an ejected round is pretty accurate these days by the striation markings and the chance of it being from another gun of the same make and model is very low chance and odds say there is s very high chance and probability it's from his gun I will bet on the odds it's from his gun!
@@ras9875 Reasonable doubt doesn't matter as long as he is placed at the scene of the crime which he is he even admitted to it and confessed the crime to his wife on a recorded jail house phone call and nobody forced him to do that and if he is insane it would explain why he murdered those girls then wouldn't it!
The proscuiter did their job before they arrested Richard Allen it took 5 years before they arrested him.we seem to forget there was two innocent children murdered.
They did their job before arresting RA?? Then why didn't they hire a blood splatter expert until 2024? Why have they not identified a hair wrapped around a victim's finger? Sure, Jan.
There appear to be many coincidences. RA described his clothing to the officer. He was Wearing the same clothes as the bridge guy. He was there. He admitted that. Same clothes, and now a bullet from his gun. ?
Well, you can blame Hollywood for everyone calling it a bullet as they say “got any bullets?” Not “got any cartridges?” Not everyone cares about the jargon of items like an enthusiast or professional of said item.
Yea, it’s far from clear this tool mark analysis JUST FROM EJECTION is reliable as practiced. There is controversy over this precisely because its validity has not been proved. A MD court that looked at this in depth said it was not valid evidencefif what that’s worth. Watch in the trial for two things. Were the tool marks of the crime scene recovered unfired (“unspent”) cartridge compared against many samples taken from Allen's gun, AND many other pistols of the same make and model, and samples from other pistol makes and models? And more importantly were the analysts “blinded” as to which casing was the crime scene one vs all the other sample. Only with rigorous repetitive BLINDED testing of this type could you have a hope of having any scientific validity…..and even this rigorous testing cannot provide a 209% definitive answer. Simply comparing the crime scene casing to a sample Known To have come from Allen's pistol will not suffice at all.
Richard cycled the bullet through his gun, which left metal scrapes from the pistol itself onto the cartridge. You do not need to fire a bullet to get ballistic evidence off of a bullet. More than likely, Richard had a fully loaded pistol with One in the chamber and when the girls started to resist, he racked the slide back as a gesture to show them he means business, and since the pistol was already loaded, it ejected that unspent round onto the ground.
That unspent bullet didnt just walk out of his house and go to that crime scene! He was there! Period !! Cant deny that! He is guilty and also there was alot of years before his arrest he got rid if alot if stuff especially his cell phone is missing from that time! That alone im questioning and makes me believe he is guilty
If the girls were stabbed, what evidence is there the bullet was even used in this. It could have been dropped before or something. I'm just curious how they can prove this without a doubt it was part of the crime scene and not just something dropped previously.
Perhaps this particular firearm is defective to the point where it jams repeatedly and must be physically cleared with a tool leaving a unique mark. That would be solid evidence.
Just a thought but surely RA's family & close friends could identify whether or not the clothing worn by Bridge Guy were the same clothes RA wore at that time? 🤔
did he do it I dont know one way or the other but.....the tolerences on modern firearms is almost exact..the differences in tool marks on a cartridge should be almost exact...unless there is considerable wear or damage to the components? and the difference could be compared to each individual cartridge? ..I would bet if you took a fairly new with minimal wear and damage and cycled 10 rounds from 10 different guns it would be beyond reasonable conjecture to match back all 10 round to the 10 guns?..its not as precise as rifling marks from a fired bullet?
I suppose you didn't know richard's daughter had her high school senior pictures taken a couple years prior in the exact same spot where libby and abby were abducted and told to go down the hill did you??? He obviously frequented that spot as a favorite spot prior to the murders a weird and odd coincidence wouldn't you say??? You know nothing!
It’s not a spent casing so that round would of been next to spent casings it this is a miss Fire or a stove pipe during the Action of the weapon would leave marks on the round that are seen with the eye 👁️
It wasn’t planted, the story is made up after the search warrant was served and LE gained access to RAs gun and ammo to fabricate the bullet. (I mean that is possible right?)
Did you see the before and after prison pictures of him. Solidarity confinement. WHY? Supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I’m thinking they worked on him and his mind. Why all those confessions. Wouldn’t one be enough? I’m
It's as if someone with intimate knowledge of the particular type of guns owned by the suspect left this unspent bullet purposefully as a form of identification. Ritualistic murder is most definitely a valid motive in this case which would explain using a knife instead of a gun in such an environment where the discharge of a weapon wouldn't likely draw any real attention. That being said why has the prosecution ignored the ritualistic theme of the crimescene and presence of atleast one other man (if not two) in the vincinity and at a time relevant to this case? If a ritual did take place there could have been numerous people involved (including but not limited to those giving descriptions of "suspicious men"). Why these babies were allowed to venture into this environment unsupervised in the first place is the greatest mystery of all time imo...The specific conditions these babies were found express a form of symbolism further implicating ritualistic activity.
Wasn’t it a popular hiking trail? If gunshots were heard on a hiking trail it would draw attention. Also it was in the middle of the day.. it’s not as though they were in some sketchy backwards “hills have eyes” area where this type of thing would even be considered a possibility.
IMO, if the prosecution is against the theory of a ritualistic murder, they should bring in their own experts to disprove this. However, to stop the defense from bringing in their theory/defense is highly suspicious. Just one more reason to not trust the prosecution’s case!
People are so ridiculous even in that town and the news people you have to have foresight when you're a detective and these people have none because they're taught not to have foresight just evidence evidence without even thinking ahead that's impossible even though the person didn't do it he they can you think ahead you can put it together better that's why you have intelligence
So you are just repeating what others said, re the bullit language. Does that mean that you did now work, no research, so that you could report the story accurately?
But you're not telling them is that the FBI recorded disaster talking to his wife months later they recorded him because his wife allowed the FBI to record and they got it he told his wife yeah yeah I did it I'm sorry and that's over with he was already in jail he he told his wife that he did it is over already he told other troopers how much more do you want
Number two the bullet is between the girls bodies they found it in there or whatever what do you think it was used for what do you think one of those bullet casings or whatever miles from his gun you think he threw it on the floor common sense he frightened the girls by pulling the gun back for firing you know when you pull it to get ready of fire that's when it came out and that's why he couldn't😊 call item that about the casing because the emotions that run through a bastard like that it the thing is now he's scared he's going to do something worse to the girl he's going to kill them so he's not thinking about that tiny little thing with that shell what's foresight and that's how he killed them one by one he first he scared the s*** out of them and he did them faster I'm pretty sure he had an eye on these girls before I'm pretty sure there's people around that neighborhood that disappeared the reason he has that gun in his pocket you can see on the video he has the right hand is pushing the brown part of the sweater passed his coat plus he has the weapon there and the girls are like he's get away from him don't let me be alone with him coming towards them down the hill there's no path and right there that's when you pass the video to the girl when she was the phone the girl the big mistake the girls didn't do was the hell with that gun run for your life was the way that guy was walking they had a chance to get away even if they were shot but he didn't want to shoot and create a distraction that someone will see him
What about the actual pdf who was literally the last person to talk to one of the girls using fake pics on snapchat trying to get her to meet with him? I'm not saying it can't be Allen, but damn! Look into Kegan Kline and his dad. HUGE red flags!
@@JayBee-cr8jm😂 They made it to court without identifying a hair wrapped around a victim's finger. They never even hired a blood splatter expert until 2024. 😅 FBI expert says it's not solid evidence.
The grandfather of Libbie , Mike P. & his step son- Cody, who is also a cousin of Libbie. The whole family of Libbie are protecting each other , including her own sister - Kelsie. Police suspected them in the beginning, and that is why they released 2 ( two) scetches - one of the father, and one of the son. They did that intentionally on a press conference, in front of the mother of Cody - Becky P. She started shaking. Theywa Ted to see her reaction. I think , that Cody did that with someone else,possibly Mike. There were , I think, 2 two killers.
There's no ballistics on a unspent round. There's extraction marks they can go by unfortunately they can’t prove it came from one specific gun. They can say it came from a brand and model gun. but there’s no way to say it came out of this exact gun. The carrol county sheriffs carried the same guns in 2017
Oh, now that's interesting... same kind of guns.
No they did not and that was said under oath, in this trial.
Yeah, right, it is JUST A COINCIDENCE - the dude was dressed the same, was at the same place at the same time and has the same gun. Wow. I mean WOW. Cosmic. So many coincidences. Maybe he should start playing lottery
@@bambinaforever1402Out of 50,000 tips no one pointed to Richard Allen. There was only one tip that mentioned Richard Allen's name, when he said that he was there himself. I believe he was trying to be a good citizen and help the investigation and unfortunately that screwed him over. And let's keep in mind that in the police files he was CLEARED of any wrongdoing. There are several men from that area who have very disturbing criminal records and involving children, especially Keegan Kline. There is a mountain of evidence pointing at other people being involved. And that's why that crooked judge wouldn't allow that evidence in, there's no way you could dismiss it in court. Everyone in the court would immediately know that Allan is not the right person. The FBI and his former attorney believes that Odinism is involved and I 100% agree.
You believe him when he says what color were his clothes but you dont believe him when he denies killing them? Why not the other way around?
They literally have nothing on him apart from his own statements. Nothing!
So it hasn't been fired or attempted to be then no hammer or rifling marks.
Much less specific.
And… it was compared to a round that WAS fired out of RA’s gun because it wouldn’t make sufficient markings for analysis by racking the slide. The fired round ejected just a light casing… violently. The unspent cart, much heavier, was ejected relatively gently by hand. There is no way.
Weren't you listening...no one needs it to be simplified this is important facts. It was a handgun, not a rifle and not once did he mention using a hammer! 😅
@@UtoniumJock98% of guns have what is called rifling in the barrel. Its what spins the bullet creating velocity.
Firearms experts for the defense will show this to be unreliable junk science because the pistol was not fired.
Sure but you can probably narrow it down to at least a make and model if the cart has ever only been cycled once. Not as specific As rifling maybe, but how much less specific?
This whole case is a mess and a disaster, so sad for the girls to probably not get justice.
That depends. Is the jury a bunch of gullible morons who worship Odin or not?
@@JayBee-cr8jmthe Odin theory is less of a chance of Richard Allen and I don't believe it's Richard Allen this is a lone opportunistic impulsive man..with a history of crimes leading up too this..they always are
@@Dingo-u4x Except when it isn't.
@@Dingo-u4x Odin is proof that these hicks lack a basic education, are gullible and easy to manipulate.
@@Dingo-u4xUnless the perpetrator hasn’t been caught yet. This is the work of a serial killer.
Except it didn’t. They couldn’t get RA’s gun to make marks that could be analyzed…. So they fired it. What a joke.
Shouldn’t it be trivially easy to measure Bridge Guy’s height using a computer model?
Sure, on Star Trek.
Technology doesn’t seem to be the state’s strong suit. They didn’t even test under the girl’s fingernails.
I’ve been wondering the exact same thing. This isn’t rocket science. We can measure the bridge width and other dimensions for a calibration. Yes the bridge guy looks to be leaning slightly but you might be able to prove it ISNT Allen. It should be easy to calculate his height to within a few inches.
@@JayBee-cr8jmThey can determine the height of anyone when you have a base object in the media that is a known size
@@bariolivier1556 right and it’s relevant when RA is 5’5”
The examiner compared the unspent cartridge to a *fired* bullet what are we even doing here?? The examiner used extraction markings as a single point of comparison. Calling it a match is unserious and reckless.
Exactly.
Also guns leave marks when ejecting cartridges.
This is proof he was there.
@@JayBee-cr8jm no, it’s not.
@@AllEyesOnDelphi Yes, it is. We just heard that it is.
@@AllEyesOnDelphi If the striations in the extraction marks match (assuming the comparison is properly done), it means either the suspect's gun, or one made very, very, very, very close to it on the production line, ejected the cartridge. It's not definitive, but it's suggestive.
Add that to the suspect having this brand of cartridges in his house, and it's decent circumstantial evidence. With RA admittedly being in that park, on that day, it becomes a bit stronger.
But then again, have RA's attorneys gotten the sales records for all of those guns close by in serial number? Maybe they did, and they were sold at distant places. But if not, they may be incompetent.
there gonna convince everyone that they can tell the difference between ejected cartridges and suspect weapons. i want to see this cartridge compared to 30 otheres, manually ejected from the same model gun. if it wasnt fired i dont see how there can be noticable and Unique, id bet that one of those othere test cartridges would be exactly the same
They had to fire a round out of RA’s gun to get any marks. They compared fired extraction / ejection marks to an unspent rounds extraction/ ejection marks. Also the neighbor to the crime scene had a gun chambered in 0.40 cal S&W and after analysis (they did not shoot this gun like RA’s) they could not exclude this gun as ejecting the cart found at the scene. Anyone who thinks this will hold weight is mistaken. How the judge could not let a defense expert testify is criminal imo.
The gun experts used the extraction mechanism and it left no markings so... they fired the weapon and compared ... not the same method at all! Unreal...
My husband asked WHY did he need to extract the cartridge. As he was in the army and knows about guns he said there is not reason for that - u put gun on safety and it will not fire
To scare the girls
@@angies7279 or he lost a bullet some time before when he was there shooting his gun and never racked the gun but lost a bullet while shooting that is quite common.
To scare the girls it would be enough to display the gun and the knife used to kill them
@@bokvarv1926 no. the bullet was found in-between the bodies
@@bokvarv1926 also, that's a walking trail and the bullet wasn't shot lol
We always heard an "unspent round" ! 🤔
Unspent round is a legit term here. It essentially means unspent cartridge. Many did say unspent bullet, but no one was confused or mislead by what they were talking about. It is a nice clarification for many though.
Nonsense. This is bullshit. They're railroading the wrong guy.
Are you blind? Without the video of him on the bridge this would have been a cold case
He was watching fish that day lol...
Allen said he shot them… Holman fed that info to him in an interview so Allen thought they were shot. He confessed he shot & then buried them. The bullet is unspent meaning “unfired” they compared this bullet to a FIRED bullet. You have to match to another unfired bullet from the same magazine loaded and then eject. The same MAGAZINE and the marks Change overtime as you load/use, so is it the same magazine he had 4 years earlier? That makes a difference, Meanwhile where is the knife? You know… the weapon actually used?
I’m completely unfamiliar with guns. So, this basic terminology and discussion of structure of the bullet versus its cartridge is helpful to me. 🙌🏼 And from what he is saying, he sounds like a bullet that is ejected can have unique markings.
Hopefully they will show that in court.
@@COlson-rh3dg It doesn't prove he had any connection to the killing. It's a weak connection at best, and not enough to convict.
Yes. The markings will be different from a spent round and to a different degree than those on a spend round but they will still be unique.
@@kell_checks_in Nope. Guns are mass produced by machine now. No uniqueness. Many states no longer allow this as evidence.
It’s not settled science that it leaves unique markings (unique to one pistol).
There are 2 other people whose guns couldn't be excluded. Also, another firearms expert called it junk science because guns are not longer hand tooled, they are machine made, so there is no longer any uniqueness to each gun. They are mass produced so all guns made at the same time by the same place will have identical marks. Please realize that the extractor marks are basically just surface scatches. The gun wasn't fired. Add to that the bullet was found in the ground under leaves. What marks are left from that? And finally, no real chain of custody. No pics with evidence marker, measure, etc. equals should have been tossed out.
How did a 5' 4 person pull this off by himself? . Something isn't being told.
He had a gun, they were children, one wouldn't leave the other and make a break for it.
Something very disturbing that I just learned is that blood was running UP one of the girls faces. This would suggest that she was hanging upside down at some point. That sounds like it was done by somebody who typically strings up game animals. Somebody who is a hunter. I believe at least 3-5 people were involved. There is eyewitness testimony from someone on the bridge who said they saw a group of people below the bridge near sunset on the day it happened.
Bullet, cartridge, tomato, tomato. People know what you mean when you say unspent bullet. The point is, it was a BULLET that had not been fired, but had been cycled through the gun. Sheesh
Ok, so he already had a round chambered and forgot before chambering another. Or racked the gun in order to intimidate the girls but didn't catch the cartridge that fell out. Both the extractor and the round being chambered would leave signature abrasions on the casing and shoulder of the bullet. This is old forensic science. Not sure what all the confusion is about.
They compared fired spent cartridges to the one that was unspent. They didn't take proper pictures for chain of evidence. They also could not xclude firearms owned by other people. And that's just the beginning of the testimony so far. We havent even heard from the experts on the tool markings yet.
Yes yes yes@@whodis1509
@whodis1509 criminal defence lawyer scott reisch from crime talk, said the defense would bring an expert in that will disprove the state's experts. A battle of the experts basically is what he said
@@whodis1509- the procedure has high success rate when reporting a conclusive match. Researchers have proven that, as well as the fact that 1/3rd of “inconclusive” reports are actually definitive mismatches.
So they already have a conclusive match reported. So they’re good to go even if they have inconclusive reports for the same cartridge for many other guns.
None of this matters as long as the prosecution places him at the scene of the crime by all of the evidence combined they can argue the bullet to the ends of the earth but when you look at all of the evidence stacking up that is all the truly matters! The odds say it was from his gun though plus he owned knives it's not like he didn't own knives and guns!
Why did it take 8 years?
I just don’t see how a jury can convict based on the evidence. Delphi police should really be ashamed of themselves.
They won't convict..it shouldn't of even gone to court.. Stevie wonder can see a man of Richard's profile does not do crimes like this
@@Dingo-u4x You can speak for yourself. If anything is the other way around.
@@Goldieslaxx9 it's not exact science is it ...can't convict him on this alone
@@Dingo-u4x , Ted Bundy was a law student and worked for the governor of Washington State. Dennis Radar was a game warden and a deacon in his church. John Wayne Gacy was a pillar in his community even got to meet the president of the United States. Israel Keys was a decorated member of the United States military with a wife and daughter. I can go and on so your comment is null.
63 verbal confessions plus a handwritten confession isn't enough for you?
Oh, wait.... Richard was playing with his poop right....
Please!
This bullet nonsense needs thrown out of court.
Lol....
Why?
Thank you to him for a great explanation! 😊
"If it was applied correctly"... Means BS. Accurate to fingerprints? Nope
No one’s calling it the magic bullet except you and The Defense
So how did richard get 9n his car covered in blood and clean it so well cops have had it since before arrest, still have it, and have no blood or hair fron the girls in it?
Thats why it is the magic bullet. Because it is the only so called evidence the prosecution has.
I hear ya !
The crap words these media's pick out to create drama are awful !
I wonder why Angela didn't say that those 2 words were quickly objected to by the prosecution & Judge Gull agreed that it's not that at all 🤔
Shame on Angela... for promoting it, as this defenses evil words are gospel 😢
Words matter Angela, you seem to have forgotten 2 very young teens were brutally Mrdered & that both of their family's, friends, & also people who really care are still here & can hear you😤
Crap like this & the other crap said is exactly why Judge Gull has done her best to protect this case !
For real.
Well, it is the magic bullet, so it doesn't matter what you think.
So, you want it associated with a repeatedly debunked theory about the Kennedy assassination? How many layers of dumb can we put on the defense's arguments?
The man is spot on!!!
There is nothing magical about that bullet period! The matching of an ejected round is pretty accurate these days by the striation markings and the chance of it being from another gun of the same make and model is very low chance and odds say there is s very high chance and probability it's from his gun I will bet on the odds it's from his gun!
So reasonable doubt
@@ras9875 Reasonable doubt doesn't matter as long as he is placed at the scene of the crime which he is he even admitted to it and confessed the crime to his wife on a recorded jail house phone call and nobody forced him to do that and if he is insane it would explain why he murdered those girls then wouldn't it!
@@raptorman48 I guess he's already convicted in the court of public opinion and the Internet
@@raptorman48 the evidence seems very sketchy so far
Pretty accurate would not be enough for me nor should it be for any intelligent person on the jury.
It didnt have enough markers to statisically match the first time, it shouldnt be included!
The proscuiter did their job before they arrested Richard Allen it took 5 years before they arrested him.we seem to forget there was two innocent children murdered.
They did their job before arresting RA?? Then why didn't they hire a blood splatter expert until 2024? Why have they not identified a hair wrapped around a victim's finger?
Sure, Jan.
Even before he got arrested richard allens neighbors saw him buringing things in his back yard a day before he got arrested
if he had loaded the bullet wouldn`t his DNA be on it i mean in the kohberger case they got DNA of a button from a knife sheet
There appear to be many coincidences. RA described his clothing to the officer. He was Wearing the same clothes as the bridge guy. He was there. He admitted that. Same clothes, and now a bullet from his gun. ?
Well, you can blame Hollywood for everyone calling it a bullet as they say “got any bullets?” Not “got any cartridges?” Not everyone cares about the jargon of items like an enthusiast or professional of said item.
Cartridge
Are you intentionally saying cartilage instead of cartridge? Just curious because it's cartridge that is being said and referenced, not "cartilage".
Yea, it’s far from clear this tool mark analysis JUST FROM EJECTION is reliable as practiced. There is controversy over this precisely because its validity has not been proved. A MD court that looked at this in depth said it was not valid evidencefif what that’s worth. Watch in the trial for two things. Were the tool marks of the crime scene recovered unfired (“unspent”) cartridge compared against many samples taken from Allen's gun, AND many other pistols of the same make and model, and samples from other pistol makes and models? And more importantly were the analysts “blinded” as to which casing was the crime scene one vs all the other sample. Only with rigorous repetitive BLINDED testing of this type could you have a hope of having any scientific validity…..and even this rigorous testing cannot provide a 209% definitive answer. Simply comparing the crime scene casing to a sample Known To have come from Allen's pistol will not suffice at all.
Richard cycled the bullet through his gun, which left metal scrapes from the pistol itself onto the cartridge.
You do not need to fire a bullet to get ballistic evidence off of a bullet.
More than likely, Richard had a fully loaded pistol with One in the chamber and when the girls started to resist, he racked the slide back as a gesture to show them he means business, and since the pistol was already loaded, it ejected that unspent round onto the ground.
And when they tested and put new cartridges in the gun and cycle it out, it didn't batch. They had to shoot it to get any marks at all
Can someone tell me WHY Richard admitted he is guilty?
The defense is saying because he was suffering from a psychotic episode. At one point I think they also alleged LE coerced him.
@@slaws2279 lol
@@Digitalgems9000 HAHA!
Great info
A 'complete' round. Primer,case,powder, projectile. ✔
Did they say only primer end was visible and the rest was under ground when it was found?
Yes, maybe someone stepped on it.
@@COlson-rh3dg lots of maybe so far
Okay I don't know if I'm right but if you got a Bullet can you pin point the guy that got it from the store by the number on the bullet ??
Guilty. But must be proven
I thought sig p226 only comes in 9mm luger, didnt they say that the round was a .40 s&w? I could be wrong here. any insight?
The P226 can be purchased chambered in 9mm, 0.40 S&W, .357 Sig, or .22LR. It’s not like Glock, where a Glock 19, for example, is always 9mm.
So there's no fingerprint on the casing?
Maybe it fell out of his pocket during a struggle
Dont forget many early cases convicted on teeth/bite marks, its HOW the science was applied.
Man this whole thing is a sit show. Lol bunch of housewives and MSM rumour mills. Every part of this whole tragedy is a circus.
You're blaming housewives for the government doing an awful job? Really? That was pretty much ALL men
That unspent bullet didnt just walk out of his house and go to that crime scene! He was there! Period !! Cant deny that! He is guilty and also there was alot of years before his arrest he got rid if alot if stuff especially his cell phone is missing from that time! That alone im questioning and makes me believe he is guilty
If the girls were stabbed, what evidence is there the bullet was even used in this. It could have been dropped before or something. I'm just curious how they can prove this without a doubt it was part of the crime scene and not just something dropped previously.
Perhaps this particular firearm is defective to the point where it jams repeatedly and must be physically cleared with a tool leaving a unique mark. That would be solid evidence.
Hahaha
Just a thought but surely RA's family & close friends could identify whether or not the clothing worn by Bridge Guy were the same clothes RA wore at that time? 🤔
I don’t like how the bullet became known evidence after the search warrant? 🥴
did he do it I dont know one way or the other but.....the tolerences on modern firearms is almost exact..the differences in tool marks on a cartridge should be almost exact...unless there is considerable wear or damage to the components? and the difference could be compared to each individual cartridge? ..I would bet if you took a fairly new with minimal wear and damage and cycled 10 rounds from 10 different guns it would be beyond reasonable conjecture to match back all 10 round to the 10 guns?..its not as precise as rifling marks from a fired bullet?
FREE RICHARD ALLEN !!!
I suppose you didn't know richard's daughter had her high school senior pictures taken a couple years prior in the exact same spot where libby and abby were abducted and told to go down the hill did you??? He obviously frequented that spot as a favorite spot prior to the murders a weird and odd coincidence wouldn't you say??? You know nothing!
He’s getting sparky
@@STdoubleDs Nope they are railroading this guy cops put the bullet there because they had no one and the guy that really did it is dead now.
Ammunition.
It’s not a spent casing so that round would of been next to spent casings it this is a miss Fire or a stove pipe during the Action of the weapon would leave marks on the round that are seen with the eye 👁️
The fact that it was found AFTER the crime scene was released is fishy! Sounds like it was planted there.
Wrong
It wasn’t planted, the story is made up after the search warrant was served and LE gained access to RAs gun and ammo to fabricate the bullet. (I mean that is possible right?)
@scottdaley1672 NOT wrong.
Did you see the before and after prison pictures of him. Solidarity confinement. WHY? Supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I’m thinking they worked on him and his mind. Why all those confessions. Wouldn’t one be enough? I’m
Richard Allen is innocent
Would have to have his dna otherwise not his
Anyone who thinks this bullet is evidence that can convict, get a clue.
I'd convict him on it.
Why do you say that?
@@JayBee-cr8jmbecause you are wrong. Simple as that. Educate yourself. How many states say their method isn't accurate? You know nothing about this.
It got Mr Allen Arrested. Even dna alone doesn’t get someone convicted. There’s usually a lot more that goes into getting a conviction
@@Huckle_Billy He's said A LOT of dumb things in this thread.
Junk science at its finest
It's as if someone with intimate knowledge of the particular type of guns owned by the suspect left this unspent bullet purposefully as a form of identification. Ritualistic murder is most definitely a valid motive in this case which would explain using a knife instead of a gun in such an environment where the discharge of a weapon wouldn't likely draw any real attention. That being said why has the prosecution ignored the ritualistic theme of the crimescene and presence of atleast one other man (if not two) in the vincinity and at a time relevant to this case? If a ritual did take place there could have been numerous people involved (including but not limited to those giving descriptions of "suspicious men"). Why these babies were allowed to venture into this environment unsupervised in the first place is the greatest mystery of all time imo...The specific conditions these babies were found express a form of symbolism further implicating ritualistic activity.
Wasn’t it a popular hiking trail? If gunshots were heard on a hiking trail it would draw attention. Also it was in the middle of the day.. it’s not as though they were in some sketchy backwards “hills have eyes” area where this type of thing would even be considered a possibility.
IMO, if the prosecution is against the theory of a ritualistic murder, they should bring in their own experts to disprove this.
However, to stop the defense from bringing in their theory/defense is highly suspicious. Just one more reason to not trust the prosecution’s case!
She's a blonde 👱♀️
It was right in between the girls? How is that a magic bullet???
If I was on jury y'all gonna have to explain more Im sorry but watched this and more confused!
Mark Furman planted the bullet duh
You’re calling it “The Magic Bullet” stop sensationalizing this case for views
All that disruption of the bodies changing clothes and everything no DNA evidence? No case.
Yea...... But those 63 verbal confessions and the handwritten confession signed by Richard Allen are a muthafuka 🤣
People are so ridiculous even in that town and the news people you have to have foresight when you're a detective and these people have none because they're taught not to have foresight just evidence evidence without even thinking ahead that's impossible even though the person didn't do it he they can you think ahead you can put it together better that's why you have intelligence
So you are just repeating what others said, re the bullit language. Does that mean that you did now work, no research, so that you could report the story accurately?
But you're not telling them is that the FBI recorded disaster talking to his wife months later they recorded him because his wife allowed the FBI to record and they got it he told his wife yeah yeah I did it I'm sorry and that's over with he was already in jail he he told his wife that he did it is over already he told other troopers how much more do you want
Number two the bullet is between the girls bodies they found it in there or whatever what do you think it was used for what do you think one of those bullet casings or whatever miles from his gun you think he threw it on the floor common sense he frightened the girls by pulling the gun back for firing you know when you pull it to get ready of fire that's when it came out and that's why he couldn't😊 call item that about the casing because the emotions that run through a bastard like that it the thing is now he's scared he's going to do something worse to the girl he's going to kill them so he's not thinking about that tiny little thing with that shell what's foresight and that's how he killed them one by one he first he scared the s*** out of them and he did them faster I'm pretty sure he had an eye on these girls before I'm pretty sure there's people around that neighborhood that disappeared the reason he has that gun in his pocket you can see on the video he has the right hand is pushing the brown part of the sweater passed his coat plus he has the weapon there and the girls are like he's get away from him don't let me be alone with him coming towards them down the hill there's no path and right there that's when you pass the video to the girl when she was the phone the girl the big mistake the girls didn't do was the hell with that gun run for your life was the way that guy was walking they had a chance to get away even if they were shot but he didn't want to shoot and create a distraction that someone will see him
Thats suspicious asf just a random unshhot bullet I think dude was into some other shit and got set up on this one 😂 they werent even shot so
Not reliable at all... Have you to able to duplicate the marks over and over... Can they do that? Don't think so...
Magic Bullet
He's guilty as they can they come
Frightening that you have already come to that conclusion… I haven’t seen or heard anything yet that proves he had anything to do with it
@@stevestarscream5182 that's ur opinion and I have mine I've been following this I have been to the crime scene twice memorial
What about the actual pdf who was literally the last person to talk to one of the girls using fake pics on snapchat trying to get her to meet with him? I'm not saying it can't be Allen, but damn! Look into Kegan Kline and his dad. HUGE red flags!
you should never be permitted to serve on a jury
@@MarkSmith-ln8oz neither should you
This literally proves his gun was there.
No it doesn’t lol you heard what you wanted to hear
@@stevestarscream5182 You heard what you wanted to hear. If this wasn't solid evidence, it never would have made it into court.
@@JayBee-cr8jm😂 They made it to court without identifying a hair wrapped around a victim's finger. They never even hired a blood splatter expert until 2024. 😅 FBI expert says it's not solid evidence.
Oh yeah, his gun was there.
No it actually doesn't prove that at all!
Mike Patten and Cody , are guilty.
Who that? I always though it was the Holder clan
Who???
The grandfather of Libbie , Mike P. & his step son- Cody, who is also a cousin of Libbie. The whole family of Libbie are protecting each other , including her own sister - Kelsie. Police suspected them in the beginning, and that is why they released 2 ( two) scetches - one of the father, and one of the son. They did that intentionally on a press conference, in front of the mother of Cody - Becky P. She started shaking. Theywa Ted to see her reaction. I think , that Cody did that with someone else,possibly Mike. There were , I think, 2 two killers.
@@tinamartina1801Exactly where I’m at! I would go as far as them getting dropped off being a lie from the liar (Kelsi)
How do you know this?