Recently got into cycling and just got these for road use vs off-road purposes and really do love them. Surprisingly like you said, the breathability is amazing. Once in a while cool feel a breeze surround my feet lol. That being said, looking to get shims to increase my right as it’s shorter. Looking to get 3-5mm to even it out.
Great video, thank you! Have you tried the RX series from Shimano? They are similar to this in function and also have a wide version. I wonder if that would solve the issue with the not so wide ankle
Great, I didn't know that the boas on Lake shoes are bidirectional, and they really are! BTW, I also have that foot shape, i.e. wide at the front, but narrow at the back of the feet, almost like a triangle. Lake should really consider adding this moldable heel area feature also to the 238 series. Thanks!
Thanks for a review. I have non-standard parameters are big size of foot and at the same time big width. I've bought Shimano XC 702 with normal width cause Shimano doesn't have a wide version for my size. It's not extremely uncomfortable but I see that an insole is significantly narrower than my foot. So I'll try order lake wide version. BTW I see that you use specialized insole. Standard insole doesn't support your foot enough?
I got the road version of these shoes few months ago, the CX238 and I exactly had the same problem with sizing. The forefoot was wide enough and very comfortable. However, the hind-foot area was too wide for me and on a moderate effort my heels would slide out. I ended up selling the shoes because of this issue. I followed their online sizing guid for the shoe and I would say I got the right size, length and shoe width at forefoot area were correct and comfortable.
@@Charizardlison I ended up with S-Works Torch Size 43.5 Wide and I really like it. My only gripe is Specialized offers this width only in black. Regarding my experience with CX238, later I found out that I probably ordered the wrong width. I ordered size 43 Wide. However, I think size 43 regular would have been a better fit. Never tried this theory though.
@@arginchik thank you! will try that one too then! whats your „normal size“? because i ordered the lake‘s in wide and 41 (according to their size table) but my big toe touches the front of the shoe - while the heel slips. so i dont think going up a size will work… maybe i also order the regular ones too and compare.. (and yeah white is just better x)
@@Charizardlison my normal shoe size is 43 to 44(US 9.5 to 10 depending on brand). I follow Lake’s sizing guide by tracing my feet, select the longest foot and add 5mm to length for sizing and it works well for me.
Thanks for this video, I have "big boy" feet as you call them 😂, wide forefoot, mid and a wide heel connected to my large lower leg via a barely discernible cankle 😂 I do need a high volume shoe, hope this means I get to enjoy the best bits them without some of the drawbacks you've experienced . Thanks again dude!
After trying at least 7 different kinds of MTB shoes, I could never find a pair that worked for my feet; I'm a size 44 Euro, standard width, but could never find a pair that didn't make my forefoot and toes numb, until the Lakes. I have the 238's and the 218's and both of them are uber-comfortable and work amazing with my Crank Brothers eggbeaters and Candys.
@@The80shillingi also have the 44 size here and wondering if it’s too big because it feels very comfortable. My feet length is 270-272 with bike socks
In the video you mentioned that you you have gone with Shimano in the past. As a fellow wide footed cyclist, any mtb/gravel Shimano wides you would recommend?
I use shoes until they're destroyed, so the old shoes I have aren't sold anymore (321's etc). Shimano has great width IMHO, but I just wanted to try the Lakes.
The Lake 241 and 332 have a moldable heel which he knows but doesn't mention. I have size 50 Wide CX 238. Only slightly loose in the heel. I put on socks and "problem" solved.
I'm a novice. What is the cleat setup on there? I notice its the SPD cleat but was wondering what is underneath it. I have some SPD cleats on some cheaper shoes and as I slide them around to adjust them and tighten I notice they leave teeth marks in the bottom of the shoe but yours looks to have metal plate.
I have the mx332's and the only thing I did not like is that I had to grind down the bottom rubber lugs quite a bit just to clear my XTR pedals and I'm already using Crankbrothers cleat spacers on them
I agree with you about the front to back opening. I also wish the toungue and boa were a little closer to the ankle. I have Specialized shoes that do that but the Lake's fit so well width wise. I'm also trying a size 39 now as I'm between sizes. I have the 39.5 but feel they are a tad longer than I would like. So Lake shipped me the 39's to try and I will see what feels best. Great company overall.
@@grantmcalpine6364 interesting! I have the MX238in 44 and length is good but I was wondering if 43,5 would be a bit better for a snug fit. But I guess this shoe has a softer and looser feel in general so it is not only about half a size in length. I hope power transfer and pulling is still good but when I assemble cleats I can’t return them.
@@mvhan911 I did find the 39's were a snugger fit but after a while as the feet swelled up, it just felt a tad too tight on my right foot. It would be perfect if I wore a 39.5 on right and 39 on my left but would be costly.
Good question. Included here is a video regarding WHY and HOW I did it. The short answer is because I have Morton's Neuroma's in both feet and it is impossible to ride with the cleat on the ball of my feet. That's why I use wide shoes, insoles, and a more aft position of the cleats. Good observation. Here's the video: ua-cam.com/video/veyvT7k830o/v-deo.html
How is the toe box on them? Do you have enough room for toes? I tried MX241 regular width in size 43 and 43.5 both were too narrow in the toe box. Felt cramped toes and the biggger toe touches the front end. I was wondering maybe these mx238 has more room.
Hi Am I Right, that you are using the midfoot adapter? Don’t you have the problem that the outer sole is not high enough, so the shoe wiggles on the pedal? What solution do you have if you have the problem? Thanks a lot and best regards from Germany
When you measured your feet did you in fact add 5mm? Is this enough to accommodate get swelling from long or hot rides? Also if I wear thicker socks in winter.
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia....you know what...I meant to say what do you think about the sidi shoes now, I was comparing them to the lake as far as the metatarsal... and what do you think about the hardness of the sole compared to full carbon, and the dial buttons please. Thank you...
I just had nerve decompression surgery on my foot, looking for a wide shoe. The video seemed to show you having an adapter plate to push the spd fleet back even further. Is this the case? I’m a 43 euro, 9.5 us
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia 3 weeks post surgery and starting to feel better, was unable to do any activity even walking for over a year. I was ready to try anything. Time will tell if I made the right decision or not. 🤞
I ordered mine some minutes ago. Pretty excited to receive them. Suffering from very deformed feet, I hope they work for me. Any other shoe I need to buy larger cause I need more volume in general and space for my toes. Also saw the cx238 video, it was a bit funny when it came to sizes. I just know the EU sizes, can’t relate to the US chart but the struggle to translate sizes :) So I ordered 44 (that’s what I always order) and 43 (what I measured). For someone who might read this, I measured 265mm length; 10.5mm left and 11mm right. Im trying to update this comment when I tested.
@@ivanstoykov7151 thanks for reminding me. I tried them both, but 43 fits nearly perfect and because you dont need any additional space in biking shoes, I kept the 43. I rode them something around 100km and am pretty happy with them. So what I measured is what fits me. Absolutely recommend these shoes. Using them with Shimano PD-EH500 pedals and SM-SH51 cleats, working out of the box, without any adapter, plate or something. For me, the money is worth the comfort, fit and power transmission to your pedals. Hoping you find also a good fitting shoe :)
@@Poison8500 Thanks for the reply! Are your toes touching the front of the shoe? My feet are 2-3mm longer than yours and I have ordered size 43, but I am concerned if the length will be sufficient.
@@ivanstoykov7151 nope, there is no touching to the front. Tried them also with thick socks for colder times, everything was fine for me. When it comes to the length I would say you don’t have to think about worries. But shoes are so individual, hope the best for you. Otherwise, lake also offer 43 1/2, at least in EU.
I'm curious to know with the width of your foot in mm? I'm trying decide if I should go with wide width. The reason is I have custom insoles, I wear metatarsal pads and a pad in the outer edge of my foot
use the website to decide whether the wide are right for you. Comparing yourself to my foot (some random dude on UA-cam...how do you even know I'm a cyclist, or telling you the truth? It could all be a scam for all we know)...isn't going to help. The Lake website has a calculator and you can call them (I think) and ask.
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia It's tricky) Cause I've ordered a wide version and have the heel slip when I tried this shoes at home. I returned them to the shop after one week thinking but didn't install clits. And after that I wrote the letter to Lake's customer service what model they can recommend to me and described the issue and they tell me that based on customers review this issue only happens while walking. What can you say about pedaling when you lift your foot? I mean those stage when while pedaling one leg push down and second leg pull up a pedal. In general I've found this shoes really comfortable and qualitative. Who knows maybe I've done the mistake and I've should to try
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia Thanks a lot! Cause for me choosing of new shoes is getting crazier and crazier) And actually I have old shoes more than 5 ears and don't have problems with foots and heel slip. It's time to choose shoes and the world of shoes has changed). According recommendations by Lake I need wide shoes but sometimes I think maybe it's only marketing and I need to find some comfortable shoes without any controversial things) But I compared old shoes with 238 and really sow the difference in old shoe the edges of the foot hang down and stretch the sides of the shoe when pressed. And looks that some logic is here. I don't mind trying the 241 with a shaped heel. But it's not so hot in Lithuania for such a ventilated shoe except in the summer . And the top model even with extra wide is narrower than 238.
The heel slip seems to be a common problem for the road and mtn version of these shoes. It's unfortunate they want to charge you $100 extra to get a moldable heel. To be frank I find Lakes overpriced but wear them due to wide feet.
Have you ever tried Northwave shoes? I have the same shape foot as you and use the Flagship GTX which has the same sole as the Extreme XC models and it fits great. I had to go up a half size from my normal 44 to a 45 because they are sized small but they are easily wide enough for my 2E foot and are narrow in the heel so no slippage there.
Just ordered some MX242 wide. Have feet like yours with wide toes but narrow heel. Hopefully they fit me well. Currently using Sidi Mega size and they fit pretty well but the toes can be a bit wider with the heels a bit narrower.
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Great video, Adam.
Thanks Joe! I'm going to eventually do a review of the tires!
Great review. I was just wondering if they are not too hot for summer, so thanks for your advice on that.
I don't feel they're too hot IMHO...no more than my older Shimano's (see older videos).
Recently got into cycling and just got these for road use vs off-road purposes and really do love them. Surprisingly like you said, the breathability is amazing. Once in a while cool feel a breeze surround my feet lol. That being said, looking to get shims to increase my right as it’s shorter. Looking to get 3-5mm to even it out.
Thanks for watching and subscribing
Nice review. We're your previous shimano shoes the wide fitting as well?
Yes they were
Very good video. I have road and mtn. 238’s for all the same reasons.
What sole protector/shim do you have under the cleat and why ?
ua-cam.com/video/c54M6i0eYN0/v-deo.html This is the video that explains what they are I why I'm using them.
Great video, thank you! Have you tried the RX series from Shimano? They are similar to this in function and also have a wide version. I wonder if that would solve the issue with the not so wide ankle
I’ve had Shimano wides in the past and liked them
Great, I didn't know that the boas on Lake shoes are bidirectional, and they really are! BTW, I also have that foot shape, i.e. wide at the front, but narrow at the back of the feet, almost like a triangle. Lake should really consider adding this moldable heel area feature also to the 238 series. Thanks!
Just an FYI for anyone else reading. Not all Boa models are bidirectional.
Thanks for a review. I have non-standard parameters are big size of foot and at the same time big width. I've bought Shimano XC 702 with normal width cause Shimano doesn't have a wide version for my size. It's not extremely uncomfortable but I see that an insole is significantly narrower than my foot. So I'll try order lake wide version.
BTW I see that you use specialized insole. Standard insole doesn't support your foot enough?
The standard insole on Lake is a thin piece of foam. I need more support than that
I got the road version of these shoes few months ago, the CX238 and I exactly had the same problem with sizing. The forefoot was wide enough and very comfortable. However, the hind-foot area was too wide for me and on a moderate effort my heels would slide out. I ended up selling the shoes because of this issue.
I followed their online sizing guid for the shoe and I would say I got the right size, length and shoe width at forefoot area were correct and comfortable.
Thanks for sharing!
what shoes did you go for instead? i have the exact same problem!
@@Charizardlison I ended up with S-Works Torch Size 43.5 Wide and I really like it. My only gripe is Specialized offers this width only in black.
Regarding my experience with CX238, later I found out that I probably ordered the wrong width. I ordered size 43 Wide. However, I think size 43 regular would have been a better fit. Never tried this theory though.
@@arginchik thank you! will try that one too then!
whats your „normal size“? because i ordered the lake‘s in wide and 41 (according to their size table) but my big toe touches the front of the shoe - while the heel slips. so i dont think going up a size will work… maybe i also order the regular ones too and compare..
(and yeah white is just better x)
@@Charizardlison my normal shoe size is 43 to 44(US 9.5 to 10 depending on brand). I follow Lake’s sizing guide by tracing my feet, select the longest foot and add 5mm to length for sizing and it works well for me.
Great video. Can you use lake mtb shoes with flat pedals?
No. They need cleats
nice review, i just bought them, not the wide ones, but the normals, ich felt the slip on the heel too... we will see... thanks
I have a solution for that in a video. Here's the video: ua-cam.com/video/t-bSO0_8qmk/v-deo.html
how did it work out with the heel slip for you ?
Good. It works….
@@robertbittner9835 i have normal width 44 and notice some heel slip when walking in the house.
Is it a problem when cycling?
I don‘t thanks so
Thanks for this video, I have "big boy" feet as you call them 😂, wide forefoot, mid and a wide heel connected to my large lower leg via a barely discernible cankle 😂
I do need a high volume shoe, hope this means I get to enjoy the best bits them without some of the drawbacks you've experienced .
Thanks again dude!
I have wide forefoot and narrow ankles so the problems I had probably wouldn’t occur in your case
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia that's what I gathered, thanks again!
After trying at least 7 different kinds of MTB shoes, I could never find a pair that worked for my feet; I'm a size 44 Euro, standard width, but could never find a pair that didn't make my forefoot and toes numb, until the Lakes. I have the 238's and the 218's and both of them are uber-comfortable and work amazing with my Crank Brothers eggbeaters and Candys.
Looking at both of these, any preference between the two in terms of lockdown and foot hold?
@@cwd3bon The 238's work best for me, because they have two Boa's on them instead of one Boa and one strap. I can get the 238's pretty much perfect.
@@The80shillingi also have the 44 size here and wondering if it’s too big because it feels very comfortable. My feet length is 270-272 with bike socks
In the video you mentioned that you you have gone with Shimano in the past. As a fellow wide footed cyclist, any mtb/gravel Shimano wides you would recommend?
I use shoes until they're destroyed, so the old shoes I have aren't sold anymore (321's etc). Shimano has great width IMHO, but I just wanted to try the Lakes.
Great job, Jake Tapper's little brother
The Lake 241 and 332 have a moldable heel which he knows but doesn't mention. I have size 50 Wide CX 238. Only slightly loose in the heel. I put on socks and "problem" solved.
and molding makes them tighter at the heels?
I'm a novice. What is the cleat setup on there? I notice its the SPD cleat but was wondering what is underneath it. I have some SPD cleats on some cheaper shoes and as I slide them around to adjust them and tighten I notice they leave teeth marks in the bottom of the shoe but yours looks to have metal plate.
It’s a metal plate to make the cleat go further back on my foot. Super comfy
I have the mx332's and the only thing I did not like is that I had to grind down the bottom rubber lugs quite a bit just to clear my XTR pedals and I'm already using Crankbrothers cleat spacers on them
Never thought of that. Thanks for sharing
How do you like the MX332 ? I’d it worth the higher price of 100€/$ compared to MX238 and why ? Sole and upper look similar. Thanks Moritz
I also have issues with the slop in the heel area. Extra space leads to a bit of ankle collapse. Have you tried Bonts?
I had Bonts, but the bathtub shape bothered my feet
I agree with you about the front to back opening. I also wish the toungue and boa were a little closer to the ankle. I have Specialized shoes that do that but the Lake's fit so well width wise. I'm also trying a size 39 now as I'm between sizes. I have the 39.5 but feel they are a tad longer than I would like. So Lake shipped me the 39's to try and I will see what feels best. Great company overall.
Is 39 better then 39.5?
@@mvhan911 actually like the 39.5 better. I'm selling my 39s
@@grantmcalpine6364 interesting! I have the MX238in 44 and length is good but I was wondering if 43,5 would be a bit better for a snug fit. But I guess this shoe has a softer and looser feel in general so it is not only about half a size in length. I hope power transfer and pulling is still good but when I assemble cleats I can’t return them.
@@mvhan911 I did find the 39's were a snugger fit but after a while as the feet swelled up, it just felt a tad too tight on my right foot. It would be perfect if I wore a 39.5 on right and 39 on my left but would be costly.
May I ask what length and width your foot is? Will help me get the sizing right. I'm 254mm long by 97mm wide and the calculator recommended a 41 wide.
Hi, off topic question... Why are your cleats positioned so far back, with also an ajustable platform? Grts, Tom (Belgium)
Good question. Included here is a video regarding WHY and HOW I did it. The short answer is because I have Morton's Neuroma's in both feet and it is impossible to ride with the cleat on the ball of my feet. That's why I use wide shoes, insoles, and a more aft position of the cleats. Good observation. Here's the video: ua-cam.com/video/veyvT7k830o/v-deo.html
How is the toe box on them? Do you have enough room for toes? I tried MX241 regular width in size 43 and 43.5 both were too narrow in the toe box. Felt cramped toes and the biggger toe touches the front end. I was wondering maybe these mx238 has more room.
Very wide
Hi
Am I Right, that you are using the midfoot adapter?
Don’t you have the problem that the outer sole is not high enough, so the shoe wiggles on the pedal? What solution do you have if you have the problem?
Thanks a lot and best regards from Germany
I have a mid foot adapter plate. A wedge would work well to change the angle on the shoe.
When you measured your feet did you in fact add 5mm? Is this enough to accommodate get swelling from long or hot rides? Also if I wear thicker socks in winter.
Yes I did
What do you think about the 241s now? I am undecided about the 241 or 238. I have flat as well as wide feet.....which one should I get.
You'd have to try them on. Hard to predict by reading.
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia....you know what...I meant to say what do you think about the sidi shoes now, I was comparing them to the lake as far as the metatarsal... and what do you think about the hardness of the sole compared to full carbon, and the dial buttons please. Thank you...
I just had nerve decompression surgery on my foot, looking for a wide shoe. The video seemed to show you having an adapter plate to push the spd fleet back even further. Is this the case? I’m a 43 euro, 9.5 us
How’d the surgery go?
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia 3 weeks post surgery and starting to feel better, was unable to do any activity even walking for over a year. I was ready to try anything. Time will tell if I made the right decision or not. 🤞
I ordered mine some minutes ago. Pretty excited to receive them. Suffering from very deformed feet, I hope they work for me. Any other shoe I need to buy larger cause I need more volume in general and space for my toes.
Also saw the cx238 video, it was a bit funny when it came to sizes. I just know the EU sizes, can’t relate to the US chart but the struggle to translate sizes :)
So I ordered 44 (that’s what I always order) and 43 (what I measured).
For someone who might read this, I measured 265mm length; 10.5mm left and 11mm right. Im trying to update this comment when I tested.
Let me know what you think after trying them.
Any feedback on which size was better?
@@ivanstoykov7151 thanks for reminding me.
I tried them both, but 43 fits nearly perfect and because you dont need any additional space in biking shoes, I kept the 43.
I rode them something around 100km and am pretty happy with them. So what I measured is what fits me. Absolutely recommend these shoes. Using them with Shimano PD-EH500 pedals and SM-SH51 cleats, working out of the box, without any adapter, plate or something. For me, the money is worth the comfort, fit and power transmission to your pedals. Hoping you find also a good fitting shoe :)
@@Poison8500 Thanks for the reply! Are your toes touching the front of the shoe? My feet are 2-3mm longer than yours and I have ordered size 43, but I am concerned if the length will be sufficient.
@@ivanstoykov7151 nope, there is no touching to the front. Tried them also with thick socks for colder times, everything was fine for me. When it comes to the length I would say you don’t have to think about worries. But shoes are so individual, hope the best for you. Otherwise, lake also offer 43 1/2, at least in EU.
It looks like your riding mid cleat by the look of your sole. If so can you tell me what adapters are you using.
These are it: ua-cam.com/video/c54M6i0eYN0/v-deo.html
I'm curious to know with the width of your foot in mm? I'm trying decide if I should go with wide width. The reason is I have custom insoles, I wear metatarsal pads and a pad in the outer edge of my foot
use the website to decide whether the wide are right for you. Comparing yourself to my foot (some random dude on UA-cam...how do you even know I'm a cyclist, or telling you the truth? It could all be a scam for all we know)...isn't going to help. The Lake website has a calculator and you can call them (I think) and ask.
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia I've been in contact with them thanks
Until five minutes ago I didn’t even know wide shoes existed. Thanks
I was going to order these shoes. I have the same foot problem- wide fore foot & narrow heel. Did you ever solve the heel slip problem in your shoes ?
The heel slip only occurs while walking, not cycling, so other than cyclocross, it’s a nonissue
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia It's tricky) Cause I've ordered a wide version and have the heel slip when I tried this shoes at home. I returned them to the shop after one week thinking but didn't install clits. And after that I wrote the letter to Lake's customer service what model they can recommend to me and described the issue and they tell me that based on customers review this issue only happens while walking.
What can you say about pedaling when you lift your foot? I mean those stage when while pedaling one leg push down and second leg pull up a pedal.
In general I've found this shoes really comfortable and qualitative. Who knows maybe I've done the mistake and I've should to try
@@tim2961 I’ve found a solution and I’m going to make a “short” video explaining it on Thursday so look for it
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia Thanks a lot!
Cause for me choosing of new shoes is getting crazier and crazier) And actually I have old shoes more than 5 ears and don't have problems with foots and heel slip. It's time to choose shoes and the world of shoes has changed).
According recommendations by Lake I need wide shoes but sometimes I think maybe it's only marketing and I need to find some comfortable shoes without any controversial things) But I compared old shoes with 238 and really sow the difference in old shoe the edges of the foot hang down and stretch the sides of the shoe when pressed. And looks that some logic is here.
I don't mind trying the 241 with a shaped heel. But it's not so hot in Lithuania for such a ventilated shoe except in the summer . And the top model even with extra wide is narrower than 238.
@@tim2961 the video with info is out now
Does the top of the shoe loosen up over time?
It hasn't in my case.
The heel slip seems to be a common problem for the road and mtn version of these shoes. It's unfortunate they want to charge you $100 extra to get a moldable heel. To be frank I find Lakes overpriced but wear them due to wide feet.
I just made a video 10 minutes ago on how I solved the heel slip. Look at it. You'll probably say, "Why didn't I think of that?"
@@cyclinginsoutherncalifornia will check it out
Thanks for the insights! Cycling shoes, the most underserved, potentially overpriced item in your cycling closet!
Absolutely!
My neighbors license plate says CUTTERS. What does that mean?
It’s from a movie called Breaking Away
Have you ever tried Northwave shoes? I have the same shape foot as you and use the Flagship GTX which has the same sole as the Extreme XC models and it fits great. I had to go up a half size from my normal 44 to a 45 because they are sized small but they are easily wide enough for my 2E foot and are narrow in the heel so no slippage there.
I’ll look into them!
Just ordered some MX242 wide. Have feet like yours with wide toes but narrow heel. Hopefully they fit me well. Currently using Sidi Mega size and they fit pretty well but the toes can be a bit wider with the heels a bit narrower.
Let me know what you like about them.
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