I thought that I really liked this camper until you had pointed out all the finished deficiencies. Now it’s concerning to me. Makes me wonder about the quality of the rest of the camper; and at this price point, it should be done right. Hopefully these deficiencies are just a one off from the manufacturer. But I’m thinking not. Appreciate you pointing out the good and the bad. You put a real good positive reputation for the company.
We bought A 2019 Heartland Sundance Ultra-Lite, 241BH....we like the floor plan yore showing, as well as some other heartland floor plans, but based on the quality of ours, I don't think we would ever buy another Heartland brand.... We bought ours new just prior to the pandemic period in history, and due to that and other health reasons, we never took it out and used it until last spring.. We discovered the fridge in the outdoors kitchen, which was "secured" onto a life of wood, that was just sitting on top of some sort of underlayment, and not actually connected to the body of the rv, and I'm convinced, after fixing the issue, it could have just fallen out the bottom of the rig. As wel, there were multiple screw hols in the wood where they tried to secure the fridge with small "L" brackets. There have been screws come off the bottom to the slide floor somewhere. The plastic screen bowl on the water pump was installed upside down which broke. There has never been a leak or water intrusion anywhere that has been able to be found, but the floor just forward of the slide, as well as the thick wood base that the wall sits on in that spot, is completely rotted out, and peeling the flooring back it appears that it was possibly built with it wet, and rotted. As I said, no-one has been able to find any leak... One of the weeks was found to be bent as well... Just our experience with this rig, but I don't think our next will be anything from Heartland or associated with them.
Josh, I didn't get allergies until I turned 35 and moe I'm 59! If you're getting allergies, eat your local honey! It has to be local to your area and within a fifty mile radius of where you live. I took so much pharmaceutical poison and became immune to it. Once I started eating the local honey from where I live in northwest Colorado, I haven't taken a pill in over 20 years. You're welcome! 😊
@robertlittle8672, you're welcome! In the beginning eat about a table spoon a day. And eat it by itself and not in your coffee...lol in about two weeks you'll start feeling it work. And the reason you have to eat the honey from your area is because your allergies are related to your area and not from somewhere else. And if you can find bee pollen from your area get some and add it to your honey for even better results. 😊
Eh this falls short for me. I wish that dinette was just a desk. And the sofa is literally dangling off the floor 🤦🏻♀️. My last big one is the second sink in the bathroom. Definitely not needed.
Finishes and figures should reflect, the to high a price. Cheap plastic bathroom sink replace with one bigger better quality sink and nice durable faucet. That dinette looks like an after thought. Forget the bench and make it a fold down table for 2, folding up while traveling. Be more accessible when slide in. No black couch.
My in-laws purchased their North Trail at the Meridian dealership, and yes, there have been quite a few fitment issues as well as paint that didn't match panel to panel. The most glaring issue was the slide out trim falling off. I found that the brad nails they used at the factory were only 1/8 inch longer than the wood they were trying to secure. As I understand it, the trailer was made here in Nampa, ID which is disappointing as this is where we live. Hopefully with the new Bish's service system and complaints from customers, this will start to improve.
Ever toured an RV shop? ALL of the trim gets installed (tacked in place) in about 3 minutes, cabinets attached in 5-10 min. Cabinets built in bulk before hand in a blur, I am frankly impressed as heck that they don’t fall apart on the way to the dealership. A couple of years back during Covid I went to several RV shows to narrow down my purchase decision between a few Cougar and Montana models, ready to jump if I fell in love. I was floored by the defects clearly visible, I completely shifted my focus.
@@angiespencer3854 - I haven’t, 😢. I was thinking smaller 5th wheel, but as vehicles and RV’s rose in price I started thinking smaller is better. I was thinking Ember, but their customer issues are kinda scary. Little things like the *MANUFACTURER* leaving the back up wires unconnected so that unless you know where the disconnect is, you can’t just buy and install your own back up camera. Thankfully some honest dealerships just tell customers where to look and what to do. I was thinking van RV’s but a few months ago went to an RV show and with the exception of a B+ and a few C’s, the showers are just too small for a 6’ tall person to use. I’ve found a few Super C’s that were amazing, but when I looked at the semi-truck fuel and maintenance costs… I’m not THAT rich. Commercial Truckers get discounts that a single owner cannot get.
@@Erin-Thor Tour? No. I worked at one. Holliday Rambler, so I know how they are slapped together. It is just getting worse and the cost to buy is going up. I bought a Forest River. Before I even took it off the lot, I had everything fixed.
I’ve spoken with their product manager. He wasn’t happy with what I showed him and was already in the middle of some plans to make some corrections at the factory level Time will tell but I felt he genuinely cared
I kind of like the layout. Not a fan of the secondary sink. My biggest issue with this though is the price. It seems quite high for what it is. I would put this around more like 45 instead of over 60.
I think you’re seeing MSRP but not a discounted sale price. MSRP is practically artificially inflated. Actual pricing is likely what you’re wanting or perhaps a bit better
Not a fan of the franken-dinette. Would prefer that removed and a little more counter space to the right of the stove, with shoe storage at the door. TV trays for dining would work fine for me. Given the other negatives that you already pointed out, and the fit and finish to price point ratio, this is definitely a big "NO" for me.
There’s a lot to love 💛 on this, good cabinet space, EXCELLENT CCC, and love 💕 the ‘look’ of the countertops! I’ve seen a few used foil countertop RV’s that… show glaring signs of light use. Those gaps at the top of the upper kitchen and other cabinets could be easily corrected in future production units by putting a small curved depression (cutaway) in those spots, I’m actually surprised they didn’t think to do that. Options I’d love to see; delete the outside kitchen and instead increase interior storage, including a shorter (1’ ?) entry closet and more bathroom cabinets. But I like being able to wash my hands while sitting on the John. 🚽 😝.
I love the way they made this one unique, very nice with the half bench, half chair dinette and the lounge sofa, plus they give you some decent storage in the kitchen with that extra counter and drawers. Only thing I don't like about these layouts is the lack of easy bedroom access, would have liked to see a second entry door, even if it meant stepping down to the true queen bed instead. I mean sure, I could probably scoot my way back there now, but as I get older it would become a problem, and I'm sure my senior dog's not gonna like it either! That said, I spotted a lot of QA issues on this unit, even for a typical RV. Not a fan.
The first thing I noticed is a fire hazard in the kitchen. The shade string tag is actually resting on the stove top. Maybe the shade pull needs to be attached to the back wall or flip the pull to the other side.
Quality deficiencies on a Heartland product? Whoda thunk it? Our dealership dropped Heartland after just the first 5 units because they had so many warranty issues. Nice floor plan but, yeah, Heartland.
Wow, so much good and so much garbage. It's distressing to see so much I like and so many reasons not to like this rig. The number of drawewrs/cabinet storage in the kitchen and bath is remarkable; well done!. The "L" sofa works just fine with the hybrid table/chairs and is a big plus as a work space for me; great!. The foil countgertops would only last a week.The dual bath sinks are wasted design/build and space. The fit/finish problems (including the miserable esposed exterior wiring runs) makes me wonder about all the stuff I can't see. The camp kitchen is wasted on us (and is usually a deal breaker), but would look great if it could be used as a generator space, or just storage without having to remove all the appliances after paying a bunch of money for it. I really want to love this design, but not the way it came off the factory floor. Thanks, Josh!
No need for 2 sinks in bathroom. Why do manufacturers have to put shower on side? Swap toilet & shower. Put storage over camp kitchen. My 2 cents. Love your videos Josh!!!
So I like the layout but the execution seems half baked. The design seems half baked. I’d be curious to see a Keystone R&D this. I do appreciate the oven though.
I really like the floorplan, with a handful of exceptions. I agree that the fit and finish is really off, which isn't a good look for the company. Not a fan of the variety of surface patterns (floor, counter and table surfaces, wall) in the kitchen area. It feels jarring and inconsistent. That may also be a fit and finish issue. Nice on paper, not great execution.
Thank you Nero Hero. Disappointed with this one small trailer with two sinks two poop eject pluming but worst is cable slides which require constant adjustments. Cable too tight is no good, cable too loose is worse but I did enjoy reading about Robertlittle and his allergies to honey a etc 🙄
The two sinks are useless! The one by the wall is worse, because you can't really fit yourself in front of it with the toilet there, can you? Just put in a larger sink. Oh, and the fixtures are awful! who makes these decisions? 😂
They did great on a lot here especially the radiused corners in the bedroom. Definitely a positive move for Northtrail, but lose the 2 sinks in the bathroom. Just wasted space, otherwise nice!!!!
Uncle Josh, you absolutely crack me up every time!! Double sinks in the bathroom are a waste in my opinion. No one is going to stand by the toilet to wash their hands. If you take that second sink out and straighten out the counter, that gives the toilet area a bit more room and plenty of counter space. On the plus side TONS of bathroom storage, TONS of counter space in the kitchen, and decent pantry and bedroom storage! Would the bed base hold a regular king mattress? Just wondering. The L shaped couch is nice, but I would miss being able to put my feet up. I love the booth/chair dinette and the TV is in the perfect spot. I agree with you on the wires hanging down underneath the unit-concerning. All in all this is a nice unit and could work well for my hubby and I. Thanks for all your hard work.
Can they take that table, flip the leg up, spin it horizontally, and fold it back so you can attach it to the back of the counter. That would solve the road mode issue and give you thw flexibility of using the bench juat for seating in social mode.
I like the decor. A bit of a cabin feel. I would definitely look for an Indiana build as I'm not a fan of gas/electric fridges. 86 the second bathroom sink. I don't see a need for it, personally. I do like this camper overall.
Would prefer one sink with extra counter space. I like the layout, totally different from the usual. I can see where the finish of this rv is a little lack-luster. I don't need all the bells and so on, but finish it off right. For the right price it wouldn't be out of the running though. ❤
Not a big fan of the L shaped sofa thing. I thing the marine carpet stuff is better than the vinyl flooring stuff that doesn't seem to relax much. I'm not mad at the bedroom TV location, prefer a queen mattress. No need for 2 sinks in the bathroom. I would remove the one by the toilet and fill the holes with some counter top material. That fit and finish is pretty bad and that outside wiring is pitiful. i would expect better for something with that MSRP.
I really like this floorplan even though front kitchens are my first choice. I could see myself enjoying this setup but as you mentioned, the fit & finish shortcomings are a ding. That second sink in the bathroom is basically useless.
I LOVEEEEEEE this one so much, except (better than saying BUT) would love an East West bed n a tub. Regardless for me this is it!!! THE COUCH IS TO DIE FOR!!!! Love to you & the family from HOT 🥵 TEXAS!
I own 2014 22rbk. And i bought it slightly used. And i love my outside kitchen with large fridge and hot and cold draining sink! The quality in this 2024 is just NOT the same! This camper looks to be thrown together! I think i want to maybe upgrade to a little longer tt. But then id be very disappointed if i had this new tt. I'll just stick with what i have ,until i see hopefully the quality improve. Thanks for sharing
I gotta agree with you, the detail work is what makes something feel quality over cheap. This model feels somewhat in between but too many corners cut with plastic sinks, those gaps you mentioned, cheap blinds, etc. For a 61k MSRP, we can do much, much better.
Why do manufacturers always do that? The idea of taking something steaming hot out of there while balanced on a footstool make it unusable for short little me.
I LOVE this plan Josh but agree with you on the quality of the trim and finish. Also love the bathroom but one sink (preferably a little larger on the left side) is more than adequate. There's more to love than hate here but the finish/trim flaws would put my OCD into overdrive! Side note: Stop putting yourself down. You look healthy! As long as you feel good you have nothing to worry about. When my husband was at his "proper" weight, he looked extremely ill and it did indeed make him sick. Those charts are ridiculous and only guidelines. Everyone is built different.
Nope, The chase couch, twin sinks, outside kitchen have to go. 12v fridge all day. The booth dinette thing is ok. Fit and finish is not great, looks like a thrown together Coleman 17B. Hard pass here. Just not a good lay out/ camper.
Nice couple’s floorplan with the sofa and table and chairs/office work space👍just needs a ladder, standard solar for the 12V fridge so the RV is capable of off grid camping, a porcelain toilet, a decent bathroom fan and a definite improvement in shoddy quality control💥
We have a 2017 22RBK Ultra Light. I absolutely love the outdoor kitchen. We had trouble with the front door right away. Then, the water connection's inside all had to be replaced as they came apart. The last thing we replaced were the faucets and shower head. For the past several months we have been actively looking at upgrading. We are excited to find one with the same style outside kitchen, a king-size bed, storage, and fireplace. Thank you for sharing and all your feedback. 😊
Dump the L-Sofa for a split recliner love seat/sofa, a bit more space at the table, toss that sink next to the crapper and make the other sink bigger. I am 6'4" and those little sinks are worthless for big guys hands. Ya ever walk out of a bathroom looking like you peed yourself because of those tiny sinks???
Nice layout, Josh! Like almost everything about it..... except..... Awning coverage is lacking, and the double hose connections. These 2 things make it a deal breaker for us. And the dual sinks are just plain useless. If there was a regular couch or loveseat instead of the lounge, road access would be much better too. Probably repeating what everyone else is saying.....
Nice Rv! Like ow different this is. Like the huge living room. Love the kitchen. The bathroom is great. Nice how big it is. Love the king bedroom. Thank you josh
Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Workmanship is WAAAY too shoddy to justify anywhere close to the retail $$...its literally as if its not finished yet. Who thought it was a good idea to NOT use outdoor sealed electrical connectors under the frame? Seriously?? I can't even with this one, sorry. As a prior sales rep, I'd have a hard time demonstrating this to a customer unless they asked for it specifically. This one makes me sad :(
I like this kitchen. I like the setup with the booth, id prefer a dinette though. The L couch has its advantages, but I prefer a cough or theater seats. I feel the double sinks in this model crowds the toilet if the counter wasn't so wide it wouldn't be a problem. I like the outdoor kitchen even with the griddle. Overall I like this layout. The use of space is genius and it feels comfy.
We owned a 2022 northtrail 24BHS. We did not have a great experience with it. We ended up trading it off last year for something different. Josh is exactly correct. The fit and finish is poor. Our floors started turning blotchy yellow after six months of which four of those were brand new and unused sitting in winter storage. The issue bounced back-and-forth between the dealership and the manufacturer neither would take ownership and resolve the issue. No one called us back. There were gaps everywhere, molding popping off. The battery terminal connections on the wires fell off before we even went on our first trip. They weren’t crimped on. there was no wiring for the back up camera. It was supposed to be pre-installed overall just very disappointing. We will never own another North Trail.
2022.. blotchy floors.. that mag have actually been a glue supplier issue. Several brands suffered from that. Supplier swapped products to something that affected rv linoleum without telling the builders But that doesn’t necessarily excuse the other stuff you encountered obviously Ty for taking the time to share
Nice camper and I like the layout. One bigger bathroom sink with more counter space would be better. Typically don’t have two people in the camper bathroom at all the same time.
I love this model and floor plan!! I love everything, but the sofa. I can’t stand plastic furniture! I prefer either real leather or a nice fabric! I’m glad that the fridge is a 12v instead of gas/electric! I would just have a good amount of solar panels and batteries to make up for the higher need for electricity. It looks like something I would want to live in, with a few modifications. I just wished that the manufacturer would offer different options for colors! I’m soooo tired of greys and black!! I would prefer a beige on the cupboards and furniture. I don’t like the two sinks in the bathroom! It’s a waste of counter space, and the sinks are very small. I would recommend a slide cover to keep it from any potential leaks from a heavy rain storm! I agree with you about the wiring exposure! It should have been enclosed with something!! I think with a few tweaks, it would be perfect!!
I love when you make yourself laugh! It always makes me laugh, too! I actually really like the look of this so far. We'll see if I feel the same at the end of the video.😅
What is the deal with feeling like people have to have two sinks? We plan appropriately so we can get out the door on time. We are only in the bathroom at the same time if someone is in the shower or getting ready and the other person is absolutely desperate to use the throne. The fact that the husband and I live together cooties aren't a concern. So what is the logic behind two sinks?
Love lay out. One sink in bath room is enough. I agree with you concerning fit and finish on interior and that wiring hanging down on outside made this a no for me.
I spoke to the product manager about some of the fit issues. He appreciated that I shared it and actually was looking to implement some changes in some production methods to help curb that in the future. I really appreciate how receptive he was to the feedback.
Josh, Any thoughts on the Wingmans and Cheyenne's Kevin Frazier's comments that the people in charge of Bish's are the same people that installed the way that Camping World sells RV's. with all the add on's
I would ask you to look at what’s pretty plainly in front of your The people running our company.. they dictate our policies. As they see fit. When they see fit. They could choose to change policy tomorrow. We choose our policies. As does each dealer and group. If you feel a certain way about CW’s policies, then perhaps you should ask why they choose those policies today when they could change them any time they choose Why anyone needs to try to rabble rouse for ratings .. I have no idea.
I own a Heartland product, while not a North Trail i have a Heartland Pioneer and like you mentioned for this unit my Pioneer also suffers from quality issues, to me and ive seen this across the Heartland product line it appears they tend to go low on quality to reduce cost. I personally will not be getting another Heartland product unless major changes are made.
That didn't used to be the case but has been a common sentiment the past several years I don't love it but if I see something, then I feel you deserve to know about it
@JoshtheRVNerd something I really value is your integrity, though it could impact sales are not afraid to speak to truth and I appreciate it. Am planning to pick something new up (Probably an Alliance or Brinkley) from Bishs at the Omaha RV show in Febuary, hope to see you there again.
I just watched another video on the same model that outlets in kitchen weren't on wall and closet in bedroom was gone, counter top was different..now im confused
You never include the bed HEIGHT measurements! I put a daybed in where the theater seats were, because I can't get up on the bed. Even with a footstool! Don't really care for the double sink. At least you can get to the bathroom and there is no stupid dinette. Love the huge kitchen!
Mfgs don’t provide it and I’m not able ti measure out everything in every video I have to rely on our local folks to assist with specifics different clients may seek
I thought that I really liked this camper until you had pointed out all the finished deficiencies. Now it’s concerning to me. Makes me wonder about the quality of the rest of the camper; and at this price point, it should be done right. Hopefully these deficiencies are just a one off from the manufacturer. But I’m thinking not. Appreciate you pointing out the good and the bad. You put a real good positive reputation for the company.
In a case like I recommend revisiting the rv again later on to see how it looks
We bought A 2019 Heartland Sundance Ultra-Lite, 241BH....we like the floor plan yore showing, as well as some other heartland floor plans, but based on the quality of ours, I don't think we would ever buy another Heartland brand....
We bought ours new just prior to the pandemic period in history, and due to that and other health reasons, we never took it out and used it until last spring..
We discovered the fridge in the outdoors kitchen, which was "secured" onto a life of wood, that was just sitting on top of some sort of underlayment, and not actually connected to the body of the rv, and I'm convinced, after fixing the issue, it could have just fallen out the bottom of the rig. As wel, there were multiple screw hols in the wood where they tried to secure the fridge with small "L" brackets.
There have been screws come off the bottom to the slide floor somewhere.
The plastic screen bowl on the water pump was installed upside down which broke.
There has never been a leak or water intrusion anywhere that has been able to be found, but the floor just forward of the slide, as well as the thick wood base that the wall sits on in that spot, is completely rotted out, and peeling the flooring back it appears that it was possibly built with it wet, and rotted. As I said, no-one has been able to find any leak...
One of the weeks was found to be bent as well...
Just our experience with this rig, but I don't think our next will be anything from Heartland or associated with them.
Josh, I didn't get allergies until I turned 35 and moe I'm 59! If you're getting allergies, eat your local honey! It has to be local to your area and within a fifty mile radius of where you live. I took so much pharmaceutical poison and became immune to it. Once I started eating the local honey from where I live in northwest Colorado, I haven't taken a pill in over 20 years. You're welcome! 😊
This isn't Josh but thankyou for that valuable information, it makes alot of sense as well,again thankyou!!!!
@robertlittle8672, you're welcome! In the beginning eat about a table spoon a day. And eat it by itself and not in your coffee...lol in about two weeks you'll start feeling it work. And the reason you have to eat the honey from your area is because your allergies are related to your area and not from somewhere else. And if you can find bee pollen from your area get some and add it to your honey for even better results. 😊
I mean.. any excuse to add some honey to my peanut butter toast 😉
I too prefer one sink , more counter space is good .
Ty
Im with you, Josh. Ditch the second sink, take the cabinet down to the counter for storage, and make the shower the full length of the bathroom.
Ty
Eh this falls short for me. I wish that dinette was just a desk. And the sofa is literally dangling off the floor 🤦🏻♀️. My last big one is the second sink in the bathroom. Definitely not needed.
1000% agree on that sink. I thought they fixed that
Finishes and figures should reflect, the to high a price. Cheap plastic bathroom sink replace with one bigger better quality sink and nice durable faucet.
That dinette looks like an after thought. Forget the bench and make it a fold down table for 2, folding up while traveling. Be more accessible when slide in. No black couch.
My in-laws purchased their North Trail at the Meridian dealership, and yes, there have been quite a few fitment issues as well as paint that didn't match panel to panel. The most glaring issue was the slide out trim falling off. I found that the brad nails they used at the factory were only 1/8 inch longer than the wood they were trying to secure. As I understand it, the trailer was made here in Nampa, ID which is disappointing as this is where we live. Hopefully with the new Bish's service system and complaints from customers, this will start to improve.
Definitely not a fan of exposed wiring and for it not to have solar at that price point is disappointing.
Absolutely love that floor plan! Though it seems the manufacturer leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe quality control was out sick that day.
Ever toured an RV shop? ALL of the trim gets installed (tacked in place) in about 3 minutes, cabinets attached in 5-10 min. Cabinets built in bulk before hand in a blur, I am frankly impressed as heck that they don’t fall apart on the way to the dealership. A couple of years back during Covid I went to several RV shows to narrow down my purchase decision between a few Cougar and Montana models, ready to jump if I fell in love. I was floored by the defects clearly visible, I completely shifted my focus.
@@Erin-Thor curious as to what you decided upon. Thanks for the insight.
@@angiespencer3854 - I haven’t, 😢. I was thinking smaller 5th wheel, but as vehicles and RV’s rose in price I started thinking smaller is better. I was thinking Ember, but their customer issues are kinda scary. Little things like the *MANUFACTURER* leaving the back up wires unconnected so that unless you know where the disconnect is, you can’t just buy and install your own back up camera. Thankfully some honest dealerships just tell customers where to look and what to do. I was thinking van RV’s but a few months ago went to an RV show and with the exception of a B+ and a few C’s, the showers are just too small for a 6’ tall person to use. I’ve found a few Super C’s that were amazing, but when I looked at the semi-truck fuel and maintenance costs… I’m not THAT rich. Commercial Truckers get discounts that a single owner cannot get.
@@Erin-Thor Tour? No. I worked at one. Holliday Rambler, so I know how they are slapped together. It is just getting worse and the cost to buy is going up. I bought a Forest River. Before I even took it off the lot, I had everything fixed.
I’ve spoken with their product manager. He wasn’t happy with what I showed him and was already in the middle of some plans to make some corrections at the factory level
Time will tell but I felt he genuinely cared
I kind of like the layout. Not a fan of the secondary sink. My biggest issue with this though is the price. It seems quite high for what it is. I would put this around more like 45 instead of over 60.
That much?! Boy i wish money was no object.
I think you’re seeing MSRP but not a discounted sale price. MSRP is practically artificially inflated. Actual pricing is likely what you’re wanting or perhaps a bit better
Thats msrp we have this model and it was 36k
Not a fan of the franken-dinette. Would prefer that removed and a little more counter space to the right of the stove, with shoe storage at the door. TV trays for dining would work fine for me. Given the other negatives that you already pointed out, and the fit and finish to price point ratio, this is definitely a big "NO" for me.
Fair enough! Thank you for sharing
There’s a lot to love 💛 on this, good cabinet space, EXCELLENT CCC, and love 💕 the ‘look’ of the countertops! I’ve seen a few used foil countertop RV’s that… show glaring signs of light use. Those gaps at the top of the upper kitchen and other cabinets could be easily corrected in future production units by putting a small curved depression (cutaway) in those spots, I’m actually surprised they didn’t think to do that. Options I’d love to see; delete the outside kitchen and instead increase interior storage, including a shorter (1’ ?) entry closet and more bathroom cabinets. But I like being able to wash my hands while sitting on the John. 🚽 😝.
They’re changing their ceiling profile which will make better fit and finish a lot easier to accomplish
I LOVE this layout (except the nightstands and that extra sink)! If Artic Fox built this layout... I'd be first in line to buy.
Ooohh….
I like alot of this camper. Only one sink in the bathroom not those tiny ones. For the price point they need better fit and finish!
His and her sink = waste of space in this one, also as always Josh, love the honesty in your videos. Thanks!
TY Brice!
I think 2 sinks in a camper bathroom is ridiculous.
Doesn’t seem the most practical to me
I love the way they made this one unique, very nice with the half bench, half chair dinette and the lounge sofa, plus they give you some decent storage in the kitchen with that extra counter and drawers. Only thing I don't like about these layouts is the lack of easy bedroom access, would have liked to see a second entry door, even if it meant stepping down to the true queen bed instead. I mean sure, I could probably scoot my way back there now, but as I get older it would become a problem, and I'm sure my senior dog's not gonna like it either!
That said, I spotted a lot of QA issues on this unit, even for a typical RV. Not a fan.
Yeah I agree. I like the twist on the layout. Their brand manager working on some QC stuff
The first thing I noticed is a fire hazard in the kitchen. The shade string tag is actually resting on the stove top. Maybe the shade pull needs to be attached to the back wall or flip the pull to the other side.
Gotta love uncle gary! LOL
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Quality deficiencies on a Heartland product? Whoda thunk it? Our dealership dropped Heartland after just the first 5 units because they had so many warranty issues. Nice floor plan but, yeah, Heartland.
Wow, so much good and so much garbage. It's distressing to see so much I like and so many reasons not to like this rig. The number of drawewrs/cabinet storage in the kitchen and bath is remarkable; well done!. The "L" sofa works just fine with the hybrid table/chairs and is a big plus as a work space for me; great!. The foil countgertops would only last a week.The dual bath sinks are wasted design/build and space. The fit/finish problems (including the miserable esposed exterior wiring runs) makes me wonder about all the stuff I can't see. The camp kitchen is wasted on us (and is usually a deal breaker), but would look great if it could be used as a generator space, or just storage without having to remove all the appliances after paying a bunch of money for it. I really want to love this design, but not the way it came off the factory floor. Thanks, Josh!
No need for 2 sinks in bathroom. Why do manufacturers have to put shower on side? Swap toilet & shower. Put storage over camp kitchen. My 2 cents. Love your videos Josh!!!
OMG! Something different! I have to say, two sinks in an RV is ridiculous. Especially the ones in this trailer. They look the size of a cereal bowl!
So I like the layout but the execution seems half baked. The design seems half baked. I’d be curious to see a Keystone R&D this.
I do appreciate the oven though.
I really like the floorplan, with a handful of exceptions. I agree that the fit and finish is really off, which isn't a good look for the company. Not a fan of the variety of surface patterns (floor, counter and table surfaces, wall) in the kitchen area. It feels jarring and inconsistent. That may also be a fit and finish issue. Nice on paper, not great execution.
Thank you for watching and sharing
This is a superb TT with a nice king bed, easy to swap mattresses to one of your likings. Get rid of the dual sinks, why????????
I wouldn't call it wacky, it is different. But it's a Heartland and I wouldn't touch it with a thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot pole.
Thank you Nero Hero. Disappointed with this one small trailer with two sinks two poop eject pluming but worst is cable slides which require constant adjustments. Cable too tight is no good, cable too loose is worse but I did enjoy reading about Robertlittle and his allergies to honey a etc 🙄
We like the TV location and L lounge. All counter tops need to be solid surface. We only need one sink in the bathroom, counter space is premium.
Hi Josh ! Me if I bought this trailer I would eliminate the sink to install à washer/dryer combo on the counter.
The two sinks are useless! The one by the wall is worse, because you can't really fit yourself in front of it with the toilet there, can you? Just put in a larger sink. Oh, and the fixtures are awful! who makes these decisions? 😂
8th
One sink not too
NIX the stupid second sink behind/on top of the toilet, and it's perfect IMO. ('cept for the fit and not finished)
They did great on a lot here especially the radiused corners in the bedroom. Definitely a positive move for Northtrail, but lose the 2 sinks in the bathroom. Just wasted space, otherwise nice!!!!
Totally agree. Ty
Uncle Josh, you absolutely crack me up every time!! Double sinks in the bathroom are a waste in my opinion. No one is going to stand by the toilet to wash their hands. If you take that second sink out and straighten out the counter, that gives the toilet area a bit more room and plenty of counter space. On the plus side TONS of bathroom storage, TONS of counter space in the kitchen, and decent pantry and bedroom storage! Would the bed base hold a regular king mattress? Just wondering. The L shaped couch is nice, but I would miss being able to put my feet up. I love the booth/chair dinette and the TV is in the perfect spot. I agree with you on the wires hanging down underneath the unit-concerning. All in all this is a nice unit and could work well for my hubby and I. Thanks for all your hard work.
Ty so much!!
This has potential. Fit and finish is poor. The two sinks is dumb. There’s more food prep space in the bathroom behind the sinks than in the kitchen 😂
Love layout but want counter space in bath would like 1 sink little bigger
2nd sink is waste of money
Oh Uncle Josh, we ❤ LOVE ❤️ the second sink in the bathroom, but we would like a BIGGER window! 😊👍
I'd call this a couples camper with a focus on entertaining/room for guests. It's big.
👍🏻 Ty!!
Come on Josh, I thought you were “Mr. Universe”. In a camper this size, I would just have one sink. Thank you Josh!
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New logo??
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yes we wanted some color.
Am I supposed to stand on or sit on the toilet while using that second bathroom sink?
Headstand 😆
Can they take that table, flip the leg up, spin it horizontally, and fold it back so you can attach it to the back of the counter. That would solve the road mode issue and give you thw flexibility of using the bench juat for seating in social mode.
Cool iea!
I like the decor. A bit of a cabin feel. I would definitely look for an Indiana build as I'm not a fan of gas/electric fridges. 86 the second bathroom sink. I don't see a need for it, personally. I do like this camper overall.
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Nice and different design but don't care for the toilet in such a prominent location.
Fair. Ty
Would prefer one sink with extra counter space. I like the layout, totally different from the usual. I can see where the finish of this rv is a little lack-luster. I don't need all the bells and so on, but finish it off right. For the right price it wouldn't be out of the running though. ❤
I totally agree!
Not a big fan of the L shaped sofa thing. I thing the marine carpet stuff is better than the vinyl flooring stuff that doesn't seem to relax much. I'm not mad at the bedroom TV location, prefer a queen mattress. No need for 2 sinks in the bathroom. I would remove the one by the toilet and fill the holes with some counter top material. That fit and finish is pretty bad and that outside wiring is pitiful. i would expect better for something with that MSRP.
Thank you for watching and sharing all this feedback
I really like this floorplan even though front kitchens are my first choice. I could see myself enjoying this setup but as you mentioned, the fit & finish shortcomings are a ding. That second sink in the bathroom is basically useless.
Fair enough! Ty
Digging this model as a solo/couples. Definitely needs to lose the second bathroom sink for extra counter space.
Ty
I LOVEEEEEEE this one so much, except (better than saying BUT) would love an East West bed n a tub. Regardless for me this is it!!! THE COUCH IS TO DIE FOR!!!! Love to you & the family from HOT 🥵 TEXAS!
On the L seat I see the edge is an inch or 2 above the floor. Would sitting on it tend to possibly pull the connection from the slide?
I haven’t seen that be the case in any brands with seating like that
I own 2014 22rbk. And i bought it slightly used. And i love my outside kitchen with large fridge and hot and cold draining sink! The quality in this 2024 is just NOT the same! This camper looks to be thrown together! I think i want to maybe upgrade to a little longer tt. But then id be very disappointed if i had this new tt. I'll just stick with what i have ,until i see hopefully the quality improve. Thanks for sharing
For me that could be a couples trailer, but I’d say it’s bigger than a couples trailer. My definition of a couple is 2. Just my silly thought. See ya
This looks great. Hopefully fit and finish issues is just rare occasions. This layout is great. Wonder if this has a bunk model.
I gotta agree with you, the detail work is what makes something feel quality over cheap. This model feels somewhat in between but too many corners cut with plastic sinks, those gaps you mentioned, cheap blinds, etc. For a 61k MSRP, we can do much, much better.
Allergies? You are traveling a lot, perhaps running into things, not native to your home? Microwave a little high.
Why do manufacturers always do that? The idea of taking something steaming hot out of there while balanced on a footstool make it unusable for short little me.
Just general seasonal allergies. Much better now. Hit me a bit harder this year
@@anitariley2681agreed! I severely burnt my arm and hand that way. Very lucky I didn't scar.
I LOVE this plan Josh but agree with you on the quality of the trim and finish. Also love the bathroom but one sink (preferably a little larger on the left side) is more than adequate. There's more to love than hate here but the finish/trim flaws would put my OCD into overdrive!
Side note: Stop putting yourself down. You look healthy! As long as you feel good you have nothing to worry about. When my husband was at his "proper" weight, he looked extremely ill and it did indeed make him sick. Those charts are ridiculous and only guidelines. Everyone is built different.
Nope, The chase couch, twin sinks, outside kitchen have to go. 12v fridge all day. The booth dinette thing is ok. Fit and finish is not great, looks like a thrown together Coleman 17B. Hard pass here. Just not a good lay out/ camper.
Do not like that camper
Nice couple’s floorplan with the sofa and table and chairs/office work space👍just needs a ladder, standard solar for the 12V fridge so the RV is capable of off grid camping, a porcelain toilet, a decent bathroom fan and a definite improvement in shoddy quality control💥
I like this design lot of these have those bunk beds which are good for kids, but like lot of people in their 50's plus don't need those bunk beds.
I love some of these campers. However, i am limited as I only have a 2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 and cannot afford payments on a half ton and camper
Gotta add a +1 to adding a weight-distribution hitch. The wide stance axles are great, but getting an upgraded hitch is a game-changer.
We have a 2017 22RBK Ultra Light.
I absolutely love the outdoor kitchen.
We had trouble with the front door right away. Then, the water connection's inside all had to be replaced as they came apart.
The last thing we replaced were the faucets and shower head.
For the past several months we have been actively looking at upgrading.
We are excited to find one with the same style outside kitchen, a king-size bed, storage, and fireplace.
Thank you for sharing and all your feedback. 😊
You bet! Ty as well
Dump the L-Sofa for a split recliner love seat/sofa, a bit more space at the table, toss that sink next to the crapper and make the other sink bigger. I am 6'4" and those little sinks are worthless for big guys hands. Ya ever walk out of a bathroom looking like you peed yourself because of those tiny sinks???
Actually.. yeah lol
Nice layout, Josh! Like almost everything about it..... except..... Awning coverage is lacking, and the double hose connections. These 2 things make it a deal breaker for us. And the dual sinks are just plain useless. If there was a regular couch or loveseat instead of the lounge, road access would be much better too. Probably repeating what everyone else is saying.....
Still Ty for sharing it. Helps us identify consistent feedback
Nice Rv! Like ow different this is. Like the huge living room. Love the kitchen. The bathroom is great. Nice how big it is. Love the king bedroom. Thank you josh
Glad you liked it!!
Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Workmanship is WAAAY too shoddy to justify anywhere close to the retail $$...its literally as if its not finished yet.
Who thought it was a good idea to NOT use outdoor sealed electrical connectors under the frame? Seriously?? I can't even with this one, sorry.
As a prior sales rep, I'd have a hard time demonstrating this to a customer unless they asked for it specifically. This one makes me sad :(
I’m eager to see their 2025 updates. I’ve heard some changes that should help those fits work a lot better
I like this kitchen. I like the setup with the booth, id prefer a dinette though. The L couch has its advantages, but I prefer a cough or theater seats. I feel the double sinks in this model crowds the toilet if the counter wasn't so wide it wouldn't be a problem. I like the outdoor kitchen even with the griddle. Overall I like this layout. The use of space is genius and it feels comfy.
Ty so much!
We owned a 2022 northtrail 24BHS. We did not have a great experience with it. We ended up trading it off last year for something different. Josh is exactly correct. The fit and finish is poor. Our floors started turning blotchy yellow after six months of which four of those were brand new and unused sitting in winter storage. The issue bounced back-and-forth between the dealership and the manufacturer neither would take ownership and resolve the issue. No one called us back. There were gaps everywhere, molding popping off. The battery terminal connections on the wires fell off before we even went on our first trip. They weren’t crimped on. there was no wiring for the back up camera. It was supposed to be pre-installed overall just very disappointing. We will never own another North Trail.
2022.. blotchy floors.. that mag have actually been a glue supplier issue. Several brands suffered from that. Supplier swapped products to something that affected rv linoleum without telling the builders
But that doesn’t necessarily excuse the other stuff you encountered obviously
Ty for taking the time to share
Nice camper and I like the layout. One bigger bathroom sink with more counter space would be better. Typically don’t have two people in the camper bathroom at all the same time.
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I do really like this but I definitely got sticker shock lol
I love this model and floor plan!! I love everything, but the sofa. I can’t stand plastic furniture! I prefer either real leather or a nice fabric! I’m glad that the fridge is a 12v instead of gas/electric! I would just have a good amount of solar panels and batteries to make up for the higher need for electricity. It looks like something I would want to live in, with a few modifications. I just wished that the manufacturer would offer different options for colors! I’m soooo tired of greys and black!! I would prefer a beige on the cupboards and furniture. I don’t like the two sinks in the bathroom! It’s a waste of counter space, and the sinks are very small. I would recommend a slide cover to keep it from any potential leaks from a heavy rain storm! I agree with you about the wiring exposure! It should have been enclosed with something!! I think with a few tweaks, it would be perfect!!
Yeah, I’ve heard this a few times. I feel like cloth touch is coming back slowly.
I loved the old surveyor that had the chase. Any other rv with the chase and is shorter
I love when you make yourself laugh! It always makes me laugh, too!
I actually really like the look of this so far. We'll see if I feel the same at the end of the video.😅
lol I’m glad 😀
What is the deal with feeling like people have to have two sinks? We plan appropriately so we can get out the door on time. We are only in the bathroom at the same time if someone is in the shower or getting ready and the other person is absolutely desperate to use the throne. The fact that the husband and I live together cooties aren't a concern. So what is the logic behind two sinks?
One builder did it
So others think they should
Nearly nobody likes it
Not medical advice; look up Wegovy.
Is it me, or is that shower spigot upside down???😮
Love lay out. One sink in bath room is enough. I agree with you concerning fit and finish on interior and that wiring hanging down on outside made this a no for me.
I spoke to the product manager about some of the fit issues. He appreciated that I shared it and actually was looking to implement some changes in some production methods to help curb that in the future. I really appreciate how receptive he was to the feedback.
really enjoy your videos. Look forward to your small camper reviews.
Glad you like them! Plenty more coming
I thought I was done watching Nerd Herd videos for the day, but them I saw the word "wacky" and knew I had to watch.
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I would like something this big for a smaller seasonal. Is it perfect, no but it is pretty.
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Beautiful layout. Love the counters and cabinets, but the color of the couch is terrible.
What would you prefer?
Josh, Any thoughts on the Wingmans and Cheyenne's Kevin Frazier's comments that the people in charge of Bish's are the same people that installed the way that Camping World sells RV's. with all the add on's
I would ask you to look at what’s pretty plainly in front of your
The people running our company.. they dictate our policies. As they see fit. When they see fit. They could choose to change policy tomorrow. We choose our policies.
As does each dealer and group. If you feel a certain way about CW’s policies, then perhaps you should ask why they choose those policies today when they could change them any time they choose
Why anyone needs to try to rabble rouse for ratings .. I have no idea.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I just asked you a simple question?
Maybe it's a tumor!
I like the layout
I own a Heartland product, while not a North Trail i have a Heartland Pioneer and like you mentioned for this unit my Pioneer also suffers from quality issues, to me and ive seen this across the Heartland product line it appears they tend to go low on quality to reduce cost. I personally will not be getting another Heartland product unless major changes are made.
That didn't used to be the case but has been a common sentiment the past several years
I don't love it but if I see something, then I feel you deserve to know about it
@JoshtheRVNerd something I really value is your integrity, though it could impact sales are not afraid to speak to truth and I appreciate it.
Am planning to pick something new up (Probably an Alliance or Brinkley) from Bishs at the Omaha RV show in Febuary, hope to see you there again.
I just watched another video on the same model that outlets in kitchen weren't on wall and closet in bedroom was gone, counter top was different..now im confused
Was it also a 2024? There are also some east/west production variances
@@JoshtheRVNerd yes it was a 2024
I wanna meet uncle Gary! 😅
Thanks Nuuuurd!
Maybe one day!
If you didn't lose the bed in road mode I'd be in love 😭
I get it. That’s why I take the time to close them up!
Josh, does Jayco make this brand?
This is made by heartland
Do you know if they can put a butt wash in a RV 🚽
Aftermarket it's not impossible but factories don't offer anythign like that
You never include the bed HEIGHT measurements! I put a daybed in where the theater seats were, because I can't get up on the bed. Even with a footstool! Don't really care for the double sink. At least you can get to the bathroom and there is no stupid dinette. Love the huge kitchen!
Mfgs don’t provide it and I’m not able ti measure out everything in every video
I have to rely on our local folks to assist with specifics different clients may seek
Very cool camper. Does the couch make into a sleeper as well?😊
Yes it does! I demo that at some point actually
@@JoshtheRVNerd I swear every time I try to watch videos something always takes my attention away in the middle of it😂! Happens every time!😊
how long are you going to be in Idaho?
I was long gone before this posted as it turns out
I'm curious how tight is the booth seating? Is it more small kid friendly or could a larger guy or girl comfortably use it?
My size is about all you’d want back there I think
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Thank you for watching!
I love it!
Ty Craig
Very nice Unit!
Ty!