Excellent aftermath report Dr. Bill, and I appreciate you mentioning me, both here, and in your Rim-To-River video! LOL... that first 24hrs after IS NOT for the faint of heart! I'm glad you didn't actually crash-and-burn on the S.Kaibab. That would have been no fun at all. Great job hammering out another adventure in the Canyon. When she calls, we must answer!!
@@ageingungracefullypushingt7135 It's an absolute blast to come storming down it, and try to make it to the entrance to Black Bridge in one hour. Twice since 2021 I've raced other runners to the bridge, both times without carrying a camera (and all the non-sense that goes on with trying to shoot a stable/useable video for the channel) and the increased speed was so much fun. Same goes for flying down N. Kaibab in complete darkness with just a headlamp. Mind candy!
I could not help but laugh at some of the post-hike symptoms you described, maybe because I sometimes have them myself. If I were to guess, it would be that your slides and near-falls caused some of the problems. To me, if you want to do the cowboy loop, it would be best to go down Bright Angel and then up Kaibab. I think mature hikers should think very carefully before going down South Kaibab, for me, that is the worst. Hey, you still have one more hike left to do, rim to river to rim on Bright Angel (my favorite hike). Sorry, you can't retire from hiking the Canyon yet! 😉
I apologize for the end cards at the completion of the video, I am experimenting with it and it did not work out as well as I hoped. All the first card said was that I completed the hike without losing any toenails or getting any blisters.
Those are fine Dr. Bill. When you're using those in the UA-cam editor (and you can go back and change them now); you can select different "End Screen" options. And whatever option you choose, you can put your cursor on those boxes or the subscribe circle if you want to use one, and slide them around on the screen, to change their position. You can also click on the 2 slider bars at the bottom of that "End Screen" area, and slide the colored bars more to the right, which makes them appear later in the actual timeline of your video. So you could have the "End Screen" boxes appear after your statement slides, or you could have just a subscribe button appear first, in a lower corner or upper corner, where it's out of the way of your slide, and then at the very end, have a box showing a previous video, appear. You can play around with making those changes to this video, and if you don't like them, change them back, or completely remove the end screen options. Doing so won't damage or have any effect on your actual video. Kind of fun to play with.
You have notched another great R2R!! Bravo!! You certainly pushed the limits with your difficult aftermath but glad you've overcome the pains. Will miss GC this 2024 but planning solo NK/BA 2025 before turning 72. Your experience is alerting me to better prepare for post hike recovery and the logistics thereof. I am from Canada and don't know anyone in the US. Again, thanks for sharing and your inspirations.
A.K. if you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Also, I recommend two other sites, "ToddM" he is a Grand Canyon Beast and very knowledgeable about the trails and "GC Hiker" also knowledgeable about the GC in general and the hiking trails. Both are older hikes.
Awesome job, I remember running into you training a few times on my local trails while riding my mountain bike. Glad to see your on the better side of recovery sounded rough.
I had a similar experience once though not as severe as my hike was not as severe. I learned that I wasn’t ingesting enough electrolytes during my hike nor the correct balance of them, so it bit me later. My severe cramping developed post Trail also, primarily in my hands, feet, calves and toes.
Oh wow. I’m sorry you had such pain after your hike on and off. I wonder if you didn’t have enough protein. I don’t know. It sounds like you enjoyed the hike though and this was a new problem afterwards, but who knows why. Any little imbalance could’ve caused it possibly. I’m really glad you recovered from it in the three days. Again congratulations and that is quite a feat you undertook and you succeeded! I can’t imagine the good feeling you must have from doing that three times.🙏👍
I’ve been doing Kiabab trail to River up Bright Angel trail now at least once a year for 16 years now. However I think my years are winding down. I’m 65.
Thak you for watching. Let your body tell you what your limits are. As you well know, you have been tackling some pretty difficult hikes, congrats. That downhill on SK is a bear.
electrolytes, did u take any while you were cramping? Over hydrate and you lose electrolytes. I take salt stick tablets it i feel any cramping about to happen.
Steve, I managed the electrolyte situation pretty well. I think I have figured out the problem, recorded a vid about it today should have it edited and published in about 10 days.
GC I have a pretty good idea what caused the leg seizures. I was out on an 11.5 mile hike today and recorded a vid about it, should be ready in 10-12 days. I watched your BA to CR to BA vid, was actually thinking about it on the hike today.
'Imagine going to bed at 11pm in Vegas.' Ha. As I get older I can only imagine 11pm bedtime, unless I do some extended exercise, like paddling, cycling, or walking. Thanks for heads up on hiking sticks. I was going to comment on big toe nails, but I see you put a text with the term toe nails on your final screen. I can't read it with the two 'links' displayed on top of text. I'm currently treating a tender big toe nail with my concoction of Aspercreme mixed with DMSO.
I was experimenting with that form at the end of the vid and don't like it for the reason you mentioned. The card said that I did not lose any toenails or have any blisters during the hike. Thank you for watching.
You needed something that contained ALL 4 electrolytes- Calcium, magnesium,potassium and sodium. I found on my long bike rides I was lacking magnesium. I had the cramping you are talking about after long distance riding. Now I supplement with magnesium every day along with a multivitamin. I also use NUNN tablets - they have to appropriate amount of all four electrolytes without the sugar. I now carry one bottle of water with NUNN added and one bottle of reg water plus a tube of NUNN. If I am hiking I added a tablet to my camelback and carry a tube of NUNN tablets. I also continue drinking water with NUNN tablets post workout- no more cramps
Becky, I handled the electrolyte situation well I believe, but I am pretty sure I found the answer as to why I cramped up while at rest. I filmed a vid on it today, should be out in about 10 days.
Thanks but you CAN'T retire without doing the BA r-r-r hike. I agree with GC-Hiker, If it's there, you must! Would promising another few nights in LV provide spousal permission? Besides, you still owe us a few video's while hiking of things like eating, critters you encounter, etc. Call it your "Z" hike - nothing comes after it..... ;^)
What a feat! Thank you for inspiring. Until we meet on the next flight to slc
Reed, thanks for subscribing and watching. Hope you had a safe ride back up to Id.
Excellent aftermath report Dr. Bill, and I appreciate you mentioning me, both here, and in your Rim-To-River video!
LOL... that first 24hrs after IS NOT for the faint of heart! I'm glad you didn't actually crash-and-burn on the S.Kaibab. That would have been no fun at all.
Great job hammering out another adventure in the Canyon. When she calls, we must answer!!
Todd, I can't believe that you run the SK, that trial is a f'n mess.
@@ageingungracefullypushingt7135 It's an absolute blast to come storming down it, and try to make it to the entrance to Black Bridge in one hour. Twice since 2021 I've raced other runners to the bridge, both times without carrying a camera (and all the non-sense that goes on with trying to shoot a stable/useable video for the channel) and the increased speed was so much fun. Same goes for flying down N. Kaibab in complete darkness with just a headlamp. Mind candy!
I could not help but laugh at some of the post-hike symptoms you described, maybe because I sometimes have them myself. If I were to guess, it would be that your slides and near-falls caused some of the problems. To me, if you want to do the cowboy loop, it would be best to go down Bright Angel and then up Kaibab. I think mature hikers should think very carefully before going down South Kaibab, for me, that is the worst. Hey, you still have one more hike left to do, rim to river to rim on Bright Angel (my favorite hike). Sorry, you can't retire from hiking the Canyon yet! 😉
I apologize for the end cards at the completion of the video, I am experimenting with it and it did not work out as well as I hoped. All the first card said was that I completed the hike without losing any toenails or getting any blisters.
Those are fine Dr. Bill. When you're using those in the UA-cam editor (and you can go back and change them now); you can select different "End Screen" options. And whatever option you choose, you can put your cursor on those boxes or the subscribe circle if you want to use one, and slide them around on the screen, to change their position. You can also click on the 2 slider bars at the bottom of that "End Screen" area, and slide the colored bars more to the right, which makes them appear later in the actual timeline of your video. So you could have the "End Screen" boxes appear after your statement slides, or you could have just a subscribe button appear first, in a lower corner or upper corner, where it's out of the way of your slide, and then at the very end, have a box showing a previous video, appear. You can play around with making those changes to this video, and if you don't like them, change them back, or completely remove the end screen options. Doing so won't damage or have any effect on your actual video. Kind of fun to play with.
You are awesome. That was some painful cramps. Absolutely poles.
It was a tough 36 hours, fortunately it was not longer. Thank you for watching!
@ageingungracefullypushingt7135 I ended up with hamstring cramps after a steep hike that I stumbled on. Glad you are good.
You have notched another great R2R!! Bravo!! You certainly pushed the limits with your difficult aftermath but glad you've overcome the pains. Will miss GC this 2024 but planning solo NK/BA 2025 before turning 72. Your experience is alerting me to better prepare for post hike recovery and the logistics thereof. I am from Canada and don't know anyone in the US. Again, thanks for sharing and your inspirations.
A.K. if you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Also, I recommend two other sites, "ToddM" he is a Grand Canyon Beast and very knowledgeable about the trails and "GC Hiker" also knowledgeable about the GC in general and the hiking trails. Both are older hikes.
Awesome job, I remember running into you training a few times on my local trails while riding my mountain bike. Glad to see your on the better side of recovery sounded rough.
Was out on a 11.5 mile hike through Rudys, hope to see you on the trail soon!
I had a similar experience once though not as severe as my hike was not as severe. I learned that I wasn’t ingesting enough electrolytes during my hike nor the correct balance of them, so it bit me later. My severe cramping developed post Trail also, primarily in my hands, feet, calves and toes.
Kristy, Sounds like it was rough for you. Isn't it amazing how painful those craps are?
A swig of apple cider vinegar instantly makes cramps go away. I keep a bottle on my nightstand. Don’t laugh, it works!!
I will give it a try, thanks for the info!
Oh wow. I’m sorry you had such pain after your hike on and off. I wonder if you didn’t have enough protein. I don’t know. It sounds like you enjoyed the hike though and this was a new problem afterwards, but who knows why. Any little imbalance could’ve caused it possibly. I’m really glad you recovered from it in the three days. Again congratulations and that is quite a feat you undertook and you succeeded! I can’t imagine the good feeling you must have from doing that three times.🙏👍
Pal, you are next up in the batters box! Thank you for watching!
I’ve been doing Kiabab trail to River up Bright Angel trail now at least once a year for 16 years now. However I think my years are winding down. I’m 65.
Thak you for watching. Let your body tell you what your limits are. As you well know, you have been tackling some pretty difficult hikes, congrats. That downhill on SK is a bear.
electrolytes, did u take any while you were cramping? Over hydrate and you lose electrolytes. I take salt stick tablets it i feel any cramping about to happen.
Steve, I managed the electrolyte situation pretty well. I think I have figured out the problem, recorded a vid about it today should have it edited and published in about 10 days.
GC I have a pretty good idea what caused the leg seizures. I was out on an 11.5 mile hike today and recorded a vid about it, should be ready in 10-12 days. I watched your BA to CR to BA vid, was actually thinking about it on the hike today.
'Imagine going to bed at 11pm in Vegas.' Ha. As I get older I can only imagine 11pm bedtime, unless I do some extended exercise, like paddling, cycling, or walking. Thanks for heads up on hiking sticks. I was going to comment on big toe nails, but I see you put a text with the term toe nails on your final screen. I can't read it with the two 'links' displayed on top of text. I'm currently treating a tender big toe nail with my concoction of Aspercreme mixed with DMSO.
I was experimenting with that form at the end of the vid and don't like it for the reason you mentioned. The card said that I did not lose any toenails or have any blisters during the hike. Thank you for watching.
I understand magnesium is probabily the most important nutrient to combat muscle cramps and seizures.
You needed something that contained ALL 4 electrolytes- Calcium, magnesium,potassium and sodium. I found on my long bike rides I was lacking magnesium. I had the cramping you are talking about after long distance riding. Now I supplement with magnesium every day along with a multivitamin. I also use NUNN tablets - they have to appropriate amount of all four electrolytes without the sugar. I now carry one bottle of water with NUNN added and one bottle of reg water plus a tube of NUNN. If I am hiking I added a tablet to my camelback and carry a tube of NUNN tablets. I also continue drinking water with NUNN tablets post workout- no more cramps
Becky, I handled the electrolyte situation well I believe, but I am pretty sure I found the answer as to why I cramped up while at rest. I filmed a vid on it today, should be out in about 10 days.
Thanks but you CAN'T retire without doing the BA r-r-r hike. I agree with GC-Hiker, If it's there, you must! Would promising another few nights in LV provide spousal permission? Besides, you still owe us a few video's while hiking of things like eating, critters you encounter, etc. Call it your "Z" hike - nothing comes after it..... ;^)
Thanks for the comment but I am RETIRED from extreme hiking.