Life is not fair. It never has been it never will be. We keep pushing fairness because it feels right and feels good. Merit should be what we look at for most things. Race, sex, gender, culture and so on should not be in the equation Yes I understand this won't be received well. It wasn't in my psych and soc classes either
It’s not received well because you’re suggesting merit is how things work out if we just ignore all those other factors. History tells a very different story.
How is it fair that a a college degree is considered the golden ticket to success to the point where people that don't have one are instantly devalued as a human being. There are lots of paths to top. We're currently trying to funnel everyone through one path and telling people that the other's will never get you anywhere. How about we acknowledge that having a college degree doesn't guarantee a better outcome than not having one no matter how well you do in your classes.
Yes, Affirmative action attempted to give blacks and others greater opportunities, but it relied on race as an advantage in the selection process, which is a direct violation of the equal protection clause of the Constitution.
yes, that's the root of the problem. It's a pitty that no one of them even thought of questionning that. Any affirmative action should be based on neutral parameters like income. That's what we've always done in France.
Part of the problem, and perhaps why the issue of equity has become so contentious, is that in the political conversation it has become out equality of outcomes rather than fairness.
my parents came to america poor af and made alot of sacrifices so i can do better in school. There is no reason why others cannot do the same. It's all about the culture and values. Certain cultures are just better
Slippery slope to ethnic cleansing. How about pointing out the personal responsibility to being successful instead of a blanket statement about large group of people.
@legendary_soup4454 Culture is not the same as ethnicity. Southern culture in the US is distinct from NY City culture. LA culture is not the same as Chicago culture. Texas culture is different from both the traditional Southern culture & from Southwestern culture. Every one of those regions are in the same country, the US, & have diverse ethnic communities within them yet have separate, identifiable cultures from one another.
@@richardavery4692 Culture is a very ambiguous term it can be as small as family groups all the way up to continental groups. The point I am making is it is never a good idea to make generalizations that one "Culture" is better than another. There are good and bad things in all cultures.
@@legendary_soup4454 Your original point was about ethnicity. That's what I responded to. If you want to discuss the obvious fact that all cultures have positive aspects, we agree. However, even if a culture places a high value on charitable acts of service for the poor while also openly embracing pedophilia or canabalism, I'm still saying it's not a good culture.
that’s actually a way better way of looking at it. most people just dismiss you as bigoted if you say that but we arnt bigoted when we tell our kids life isn’t fair… we’re realistic
I would like to have the role that any money received for "just existing," whether it be through any form of social assistance, oil checks as mentioned in the previous comment or any other source, discussed in class. What role does it play in personal choice and historic factors? Does recieving money like this do more good than harm?
Anyone notice the how unfair the 3 people were. The guy on the far right got treated right so we need to remove some of his muscle and give it to the guy in the middle, and the lady on the far left gets free liposuction because she didn't get it fair either...smh
I wanted to make the statement that affirmative action is mainly race based and that there is a point based scale on how likely you are to get into schools, but I kinda forgot some things here and there talking in front of so many ppl 😅
U.S. News reports, “The Pennsylvania State University--University Park's tuition. … The net price is the average cost of the university after aid and scholarship funds are discounted from the total cost, which come in on average at $31,237 for in-state students and $49,692 for out-of-state students receiving need-based aid.” Isn’t absurd that a university that teaches DEI (preaches DEI) has tuition costs that are in itself a barrier for students from Historically Disadvantaged Groups.
The sound system is built into the room and used by a variety of instructors, TAs, and private groups. We don't control them beyond a master control. We should have gotten Colin to move his microphone back, but there's a balance with making it natural. We didn't think it was a big enough issue to correct. Notes have been taken :)
I can't speak for all Native American's or tribes but will tell you about the Ute tribe (Northeast Utah). Individual members and single families are very poor. I'm the only one in my extended family with a degree. Neither of my sisters, none of my cousins, aunts, uncles or grandparents (on my mother's side) have a degree; many never finished high school. Family beyond that are all similar. Although most of us only have a tiny fraction of Ute in us (exception is one of my aunts married a half Ute, half European) we were all raised in a similar environment to my mom's side of the family. If you drive around the Roosevelt/Vernal area it'll be very obvious that a lot of Ute tribe members are extremely poor.....and why. The area has a very harsh landscape. Extreme cold with high winds in the winter. Super hot in the summer so short growing season for vegetation. Also very little to do recreation wise. This leads to a lot of drug and alcohol problems in the region. Combine this with although individual members and families being poor, the tribe itself is very wealthy due to oil rights. Tribal members get regular checks from oil pumping from the tribe (some people try and claim the federal gov't gives them money; THIS IS FALSE!). There is zero incentive to work as working won't change anybody's financial standing in a significant way. Common lifestyle on the Ute reservation is to get your oil check > go on a 3/5/7 drunk bender > go buy a car with your left over money > total the car > buy enough cheap food to last until your next check. Rinse/repeat.
Life isnt fair 🤷. But guess what? When the most qualified people put out the highest quality work, it moves the ball foward for everone. Regusrdless of race, gender, etc.
Culture is the biggest factor in national wealth or poverty. Yes, large numbers of native Americans choose poverty. This is true all over including the inner cities. It's all about culture. Most Asian immigrants did not come with college degrees. The Indians were Stone Age people and remained stone age people until the West was conquered.
When folks equate everything to money and possessions, this is the outcome. Rise above this ridiculous nonsense, good people know, money doesn’t determine your happiness or success. It’s so sad to see young people sucked into this ridiculous notion.
How about having some quotes from Thomas Sowell or Jordan Peterson to counter the female lecturer, for some fairness.
Amen. Or Glenn Loury for crying out loud.
Eww two literal anti intellectuals? Why
@@mood1676 Ummmmm.....two people with PhD's are anti-intellectual? Suuuuuuuure.
@@rcc737 yes… did you not know that was possible?
@rcc737 get professional help
There should have been a section at the beginning to clearly define the difference between 'Equity' and 'Equality'.
Life is not fair.
It never has been it never will be.
We keep pushing fairness because it feels right and feels good.
Merit should be what we look at for most things. Race, sex, gender, culture and so on should not be in the equation
Yes I understand this won't be received well. It wasn't in my psych and soc classes either
It’s not received well because you’re suggesting merit is how things work out if we just ignore all those other factors. History tells a very different story.
Yes because even if you try to consider all parameters in the equation you won't be able to. There will be always an aspect where something is unfair.
@noahh.3644 life is and always will be unfair even in "balancing"
the scales creates an imbalance.
Somethings will never be achieved
@josephfolkemer he's not suggesting that, you didn't read his first sentence?
@@josephfolkemerequity is IMPOSSIBLE
How is it fair that a a college degree is considered the golden ticket to success to the point where people that don't have one are instantly devalued as a human being.
There are lots of paths to top. We're currently trying to funnel everyone through one path and telling people that the other's will never get you anywhere.
How about we acknowledge that having a college degree doesn't guarantee a better outcome than not having one no matter how well you do in your classes.
Yes, Affirmative action attempted to give blacks and others greater opportunities, but it relied on race as an advantage in the selection process, which is a direct violation of the equal protection clause of the Constitution.
Can’t discriminate based on race, unless it’s a white male. Then it’s ok 😂 but we’re not racist or sexist trust me bro
yes, that's the root of the problem. It's a pitty that no one of them even thought of questionning that. Any affirmative action should be based on neutral parameters like income. That's what we've always done in France.
Equity today means the outcomes are the same. It does not mean fairness.
Every aspect of life is unequal. Every person is different/unequal with another.
Really hard to watch with all of the “like” every other word!
I would bet a lot of money you’d be in a similar boat :)
@@jeff8124
Nope. That's what freshman Speech 101 was for.
Part of the problem, and perhaps why the issue of equity has become so contentious, is that in the political conversation it has become out equality of outcomes rather than fairness.
my parents came to america poor af and made alot of sacrifices so i can do better in school. There is no reason why others cannot do the same. It's all about the culture and values. Certain cultures are just better
Slippery slope to ethnic cleansing. How about pointing out the personal responsibility to being successful instead of a blanket statement about large group of people.
@legendary_soup4454 Culture is not the same as ethnicity. Southern culture in the US is distinct from NY City culture. LA culture is not the same as Chicago culture. Texas culture is different from both the traditional Southern culture & from Southwestern culture. Every one of those regions are in the same country, the US, & have diverse ethnic communities within them yet have separate, identifiable cultures from one another.
@@richardavery4692 Culture is a very ambiguous term it can be as small as family groups all the way up to continental groups. The point I am making is it is never a good idea to make generalizations that one "Culture" is better than another. There are good and bad things in all cultures.
@@legendary_soup4454 Your original point was about ethnicity. That's what I responded to. If you want to discuss the obvious fact that all cultures have positive aspects, we agree. However, even if a culture places a high value on charitable acts of service for the poor while also openly embracing pedophilia or canabalism, I'm still saying it's not a good culture.
She literally said it at the beginning, it’s a little kid mentality. That’s not how life works. Life isn’t fair, nobody cares work harder.
that’s actually a way better way of looking at it. most people just dismiss you as bigoted if you say that but we arnt bigoted when we tell our kids life isn’t fair… we’re realistic
Culture.
If there aren't enough seats for everybody there is no fairness.
I think most of us can agree that there's usually no easy answer to any of the topics in these videos. These are complex topics with a lot of overlap.
Thank you for FINALLY telling Colin to move the mic back.
Wow thanks 😂
I would like to have the role that any money received for "just existing," whether it be through any form of social assistance, oil checks as mentioned in the previous comment or any other source, discussed in class. What role does it play in personal choice and historic factors? Does recieving money like this do more good than harm?
Anyone notice the how unfair the 3 people were. The guy on the far right got treated right so we need to remove some of his muscle and give it to the guy in the middle, and the lady on the far left gets free liposuction because she didn't get it fair either...smh
I wanted to make the statement that affirmative action is mainly race based and that there is a point based scale on how likely you are to get into schools, but I kinda forgot some things here and there talking in front of so many ppl 😅
Imagine going into debt for an education and still not being able to speak without saying, "like... like... like." Ridiculous!
Or literally, literally, literally
U.S. News reports, “The Pennsylvania State University--University Park's tuition. … The net price is the average cost of the university after aid and scholarship funds are discounted from the total cost, which come in on average at $31,237 for in-state students and $49,692 for out-of-state students receiving need-based aid.”
Isn’t absurd that a university that teaches DEI (preaches DEI) has tuition costs that are in itself a barrier for students from Historically Disadvantaged Groups.
we are a very lost country if are youth equates merit and equity, you can’t control outcomes, you can only control opportunities that lead to outcomes
Did this lady REALLY tell a student in a class supposed to be designed for them to answer for themselves "Repeat after me." ?
She was telling Sam to repeat after her. She is trying to help his facilitation skills :)
you guys need a better sound guy. also, so many people sleeping and so many of the kids say like so often
The sound system is built into the room and used by a variety of instructors, TAs, and private groups. We don't control them beyond a master control. We should have gotten Colin to move his microphone back, but there's a balance with making it natural. We didn't think it was a big enough issue to correct. Notes have been taken :)
Is that guy on the left seriously sleeping in the front row?? Of all places???
I can't speak for all Native American's or tribes but will tell you about the Ute tribe (Northeast Utah). Individual members and single families are very poor. I'm the only one in my extended family with a degree. Neither of my sisters, none of my cousins, aunts, uncles or grandparents (on my mother's side) have a degree; many never finished high school. Family beyond that are all similar. Although most of us only have a tiny fraction of Ute in us (exception is one of my aunts married a half Ute, half European) we were all raised in a similar environment to my mom's side of the family. If you drive around the Roosevelt/Vernal area it'll be very obvious that a lot of Ute tribe members are extremely poor.....and why.
The area has a very harsh landscape. Extreme cold with high winds in the winter. Super hot in the summer so short growing season for vegetation. Also very little to do recreation wise. This leads to a lot of drug and alcohol problems in the region. Combine this with although individual members and families being poor, the tribe itself is very wealthy due to oil rights. Tribal members get regular checks from oil pumping from the tribe (some people try and claim the federal gov't gives them money; THIS IS FALSE!). There is zero incentive to work as working won't change anybody's financial standing in a significant way.
Common lifestyle on the Ute reservation is to get your oil check > go on a 3/5/7 drunk bender > go buy a car with your left over money > total the car > buy enough cheap food to last until your next check. Rinse/repeat.
Life isnt fair 🤷. But guess what? When the most qualified people put out the highest quality work, it moves the ball foward for everone. Regusrdless of race, gender, etc.
The whistle though
How sad that a person is fearful about making assumptions about a person's ancestry (27:00). That is really effed up.
everyone has a computers schools give them to kids
Culture is the biggest factor in national wealth or poverty. Yes, large numbers of native Americans choose poverty. This is true all over including the inner cities. It's all about culture. Most Asian immigrants did not come with college degrees. The Indians were Stone Age people and remained stone age people until the West was conquered.
It's not fair = you are not playing by the established rules
When folks equate everything to money and possessions, this is the outcome. Rise above this ridiculous nonsense, good people know, money doesn’t determine your happiness or success. It’s so sad to see young people sucked into this ridiculous notion.
You mean a child’s notion of fairness?
19:38 guy in the corner 😴😴😂😂
Stop saying like, like every sentence, like.
Do the students even care to be there ? No talking lol
Not Jamaican.
Equity is a really bad goal and highly destructive. Nothing is equal and life will never be fair. This woman is delusional.