Hi friends. You're going to want to watch this episode! I met Andrew at a dinner with Rob Schneider, whose episode is coming up soon, and quickly realized that he would be someone willing to explore the kinds of tough questions I've been asking myself about how crazy this world has gotten. For example: were the critics of gay marriage correct that it would be a slippery slow to destroying all our core social norms around gender and family? This is a VERY exploratory discussion that doesn't pull punches, doesn't always find common agreement, but is I hope a model for respectful discourse on even the most challenging subjects. I hope you get value out of it and look forward to engaging in the comments! If you love what we do here, I encourage you to head over to dadsavesamerica.com, hosted on Substack. We've got exclusive content coming including additional long-form interviews, original articles, and (soon) opportunities to hop on zoom and talk about the issues we all face together.
I saw much of this coming at Manchester in 1978. Well done. Excellent. The Age of Reason did not understand what reason was and we are paying for the consequences of not understanding respect for disagreement / contradiction is necessary to break out of the closed system of logic. This process is called 'being reasonable'. Closed systems make closed minds. Leibniz, Kant, Marx, Wittgenstein, Postmodernism etc:- all effectively denied reason. Reason is the enemy of ideology. End of dull lecture
Thank you so much for doing real deep dive on understanding this topic that people are not allowed to talk about. We really need the gay community to stand together to take down the psychopaths.
The manner is respectful enough but neither participant seems to recognize that there is anything gay beyond either the assimilationists or the Qs. Interesting that the host thinks his son is "all right" because he has a girlfriend.
I’m a lesbian and I agree with everything Andrew is saying. I remember feeling so icky at pride events, lesbian bars and LGBTQ social events. Starting around 10 years ago. Especially the last 5 years. The amount of “straight people with a kink” at these events is astounding . They also show covert and overt hostility toward lesbian and gay people. I’ve lost a lot of friends, because of my feelings and opinions. I think it’s because they can’t see the damage they are doing to themselves and the LG community. It’s sad.
Unfortunately, since Republicans courted anti gay votes, we became siloed off into being vastly more likely to be Democrats with social groups dominated by Democrats. While I'm left of center, I've always appreciated political diversity, and the dominance of one view in an area, geographic or social, leads to dogmatism thriving. So when Democrat dogma went through our social networks, even if there was no forced teaming, we'd be about as likely as any other Democrat to buy in. But we were additionally subject to special guilt trips (this is exactly the same! You don't want to become the bigot), and more who were disowned or lost friends, many friends who adopted ident i T's, assumed that most were also gay not straight, and older activists packed it up with marriage equality, were no longer on the dating scene, so they weren't tuned in to how it was changing and figured they just weren't hip to it.
I noticed when I watched the lesbians carrying the banner saying they didn’t do penises that the people screaming at them were mainly men, in black, apparently championing the trans movement. A lot of the stuff going on now is pure misogyny as far as I’m concerned.
As an older Irish gay man and traditional Irish Catholic patriot, I was once told (overtly) that I was “not welcome” at Dublin gay pride by woke elements who had totally hijacked it, after already facing the greatest levels of hate, prejudice and discrimination from (within) the Dublin gay community, especially from other gay men and for many years since my teens in the 1980’s, so I cut all ties and support 18 years ago - I subsequently returned to my Catholic faith, entered into the traditional Catholic faith (pre Vatican II - traditional Mass in Latin) and have had far more acceptance - this enabled me to become very awake to the behaviour of the woke gay community during Covid and what they were doing to innocent children in Irish primary schools, which I feel is totally wrong and disgusting and what informed my conscience on this issue was my Catholic faith, saying all the things that Irish parents want to say but are actively prevented from doing so by these impostors, infiltrators and traitors to real gay people like myself
As a gay man who does not have children, I have been arguing for a decade that gender ideology should not have been introduced into schools. It spelled disaster from the beginning and look where we are now. Children cannot process this information in a comprehensive, adult manner. They just become confused and destabilised. I have seen it in friends’ children. One week they’re lesbian, next non-binary, then pansexual and then straight. When you ask what these terms mean, they cannot give you a proper answer. It’s pernicious ideology sweeping through schools and affecting vulnerable minds with long term consequences. It must be resisted by every parent. If a parent plays up to it, they are damaging their children.
Yes. And you could do this with anything when it comes to kids in school. If a teacher were to give a lesson on fairy godmothers as though they were real and then asked the children what their fairy godmothers look like, most of them would start imagining and making up a fairy godmother, what she looks like, her name etc. They just want to fit in and please the teacher. It could be anything. An invisible pet, a guardian angel, and so on. It just becomes more sophisticated as the children get older, but it's still a similar concept. I also personally believe that it's a way for kids to survive mentally within the ideology, even though the ideology itself is potentially very damaging to them personally. They want to be anything but a straight person. Especially a straight, white person, which is viewed as inherently evil.
@@masterofcrumpetsId say kids mostly lack the experience and critical thinking capabilities to discern this. Even if they could, I'd say the ideology is always harmful, especially if the majority of the class has adopted it and you're left to feel as the outsider. Maybe even treated differently by your peers for not participating. But in the end it's not up to kids, kids are still innocent and need to be protected from these things by adults who should be able to know better. It starts and stops with the adults, so even if a kid can survive through this mentally we shouldn't even want that.
Amazing video. I'm a gay man happily married to my male partner since 2007. I've always considered myself as exclusively gay. When I was a young boy I was effeminate and preferred playing with Barbie than my toy Diggers. It concerns me that if I was a child now I would be told that my gender identity was in question and would probably be encouraged to identify as a woman! It's horrendous and absolutely would erase my identity as a gay man. I don't want to be a woman. I want to be a gay man. Thank you for making this super clear.
See that's the thing: you wouldn't be told that. Nobody is actually doing that. They ARE saying if you happen to be questioning your gender or sexuality, maybe that isn't the worst thing in the world and maybe you should be supported in whatever you feel. But nobody is actually forcing that upon anyone. On the other hand, effeminate kids are still very much being called slurs, beaten up, abused, and killed, just for being who they are. Along with those who are in question of (or confident in their standing contrary to the norm) their gender, or sex, or sexual and romantic interests... And it certainly isn't coming from the "woke" crowd everyone loves to demonize so much. Yeah, the pendulum has absolutely swung too far to the opposite degree... but considering I haven't yet hit 40, and yet I have double-digit number of friends who have been severely abused or mistreated to the point where suicide was seen as a better option than continuing their lives being absolutely terrified and humiliated and mistreated on a daily basis by folks who very much agree with this guy... I'd say it was at least a swing in the right direction, despite having gone too far. It'll even out eventually, but people will remember those who were genuinely supportive of them through it all, and remember those who suddenly took advantage of their sudden place of social acceptance and used it to put others down who they previously might have aligned with.
Interesting! As a boy, I preferred playing with girls, and avoided male roughhousing. I thought girls had an easier time, e.g. no military draft. However, through a very long adolescence, I eventually became happy as a gay male, and still am. I'm glad the option of changing gender did not exist then. So, I sympathize with potentially trans kids, but I'm not sure about transitioning before young adulthood. After surgery, you can't go back.
There’s a big danger of the inclusion of any letter after LGB. As a gay man the rest has nothing to do with sexual orientation and is what is causing a bad rep on homosexuality.
I've always found it odd that we are lumped in with lesbians as we share absolutely nothing in common except our same sex attraction fact. Bi is an interesting section of the community and, to me, requires polyamory to function. The fact of biological gender must be provided for in the trans world otherwise, why did they transgender?
Bissexuality is homophobic because it´s a thing of heterossexual people that want to be different somehow. I don´t know any bissexual man or woman that is not profoundly heterossexual! All the bissexual men that I knew and know find homossexual relationships (love) disgusting and confuse for them. Bisexuality is just an excuse for heterosexual people to stand out and be able to live their kinks. I don't know any homosexuals who are bisexual but I know many heterosexuals who are bisexuals. Bisexuality is the annulment of homosexuality as a form of love, because it is only used to justify sex (and only sex) with people of the same sex...
@@kadran3263 Bissexuality is homophobic because it´s a thing of heterossexual people that want to be different somehow. I don´t know any bissexual man or woman that is not profoundly heterossexual! All the bissexual men that I knew and know find homossexual relationships (love) disgusting and confuse for them. Bisexuality is just an excuse for heterosexual people to stand out and be able to live their kinks. I don't know any homosexuals who are bisexual but I know many heterosexuals who are bisexuals. Bisexuality is the annulment of homosexuality as a form of love, because it is only used to justify sex (and only sex) with people of the same sex...
@@kadran3263 What? No, bisexuality has nothing to do with polyamory, if you're like that, it's just YOU, not the huge majority of bisexuals, of course it's normal that bi, gays and lesbians are lumped together.
Im gay and recently engaged to my fiancee after being together for 7 years. We both are deeply bothered by the TQ+ taking over the narrative around gay people. Trans/queer activists want to destroy the social norms and institutions that gay people fought so hard to participate in. We get associated with their batshit crazy ideology when we never supported it or chose to be under the same umbrella. If you're worried about gender ideology, normal gay people and lesbians are actually the best allies to push back on this stuff. Many of us feel the same way but feel pressured not to voice those concerns.
I agree, as a heterosexual woman, I question why the LGBTQ and transrights movement was so quickly picked up by the American government. I voted for Gay marraige because I felt, it was inhuman to deny people the right to be together, but I feel them including children in the LGBTQ and transmovement is horrible. It's in our school and we weren't asked. I am disgusted.
Agree women, men, gay, lesbisn being cancelled in favour of a tiny minority. We are all allies, I fought for gay rights but not today I think I'm a man who thinks he's a woman or any of these inclusively ideologies. We, none of us are not an imaginary ideology.
Seems odd not to want to show people basic levels of respect, so long as it's not asked for in a demanding nor obnoxious way. I mean... If you decided to legally change your name for some reason that was really important for you, and someone just intentionally called you the wrong name all the time just to be contrarian and because "you didn't used to be named that" or whatever excuse they might come up with, would you not feel put upon and offended? Seems like an odd hill to die on.
As a gay man, these are the interviews and conversations we want to see. You must understand that a HUGE part of the original LGBT community strongly disagrees with what’s been happening the past 5 years, mainly. It’s insanity.
I don't think anyone could have predicted what's been happening. People are also blaming the women's movement as causing today's issues. As if equality meant women think they are the same as men, so now men should be able to reverse it.
@@JoshuaRed-v4f - the humorless "woke" take for sure. Titania was way ahead of her time. Predicting idiocy that was only percolating at the time - but has now become - "the new normal." : /
@@JoshuaRed-v4f - Let me guess - someone as virtuous as you - who has the amazing ability to judge others without the slightest bit of information about them - judging based entirely upon your own internal ideological fantasy world? Just a hunch. : / - well, to be fair - that is simply my - "lived experience."
Andrew Doyle is an absolute soft spoken, incandescent culture war prodigy. The nuanced and grounded cognoscenti are lucky he's out there and active as eff.
I cried watching this because all my thoughts, my feelings, my intellectual arguments shared only in my head were voiced and articulated openly in an exchange by two intelligent gentlemen. This now outdated gay man thanks you both! God bless!
Well, gentlemen, that was the best 2 hours I've spent in a LONG, LONG time!! Thank you so much for the honesty and clear-headedness. Keep 'em coming, please!
I'm lesbian that came out my teens so my brother's always had an open mind about sexuality even though hes stay hes been with the same girl since he was 14 and they have like a really good marriage and he's like a man's man not in a way that sexist but away that if something happens in the house needs to be fixed he wants to fix it not call anybody and he doesn't know how he'll UA-cam it. He's always voted Democrat you know because he believes and all the sorts of stuff that was good about them and doesn't really know anything about all this stuff and I tried to explain it to him and he didn't quite understand but didn't want to debate something he didn't know about and and He's looking for a preschool for his firstborn my nephew and I'm just like it doesn't matter if you go into a preschool and you see a rainbow flag especially if it looks weird you turn around and just walk back out do not engage.
What is a “normal gay”? And who are you to define what a normal gay should be? Or for that matter, who are you to define what a normal person is? As I say, YOU DON'T NEED TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF GENDER IDENTITY TO KNOW THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON KNOWS WHO THEY ARE BETTER THAN YOU EVER WILL.
I think that LGB should have their own grouping because it is totally different from the rest. Gay and Lesbian is a sexual attraction, whereas the others are identities or body preference and do not have anything to do with sexual preference.
If there’s a causal connection between gay marriage and the mainstreaming of gender ideology, it’s that the gay civil rights movement had given rise to a wide infrastructure of professional activist organisations who, with the last hurdle of institutional gay disadvantage falling, found themselves suddenly bereft of a legitimate reason to exist. The worst thing that can possibly happen to an activist organisation is to win. They desperately needed another dragon to slay, which is why they all pivoted away from advocating for gay people, and became “trans rights” organisations overnight.
I’m not gay, but I love Andrew Doyle. He has a unique and fantastically beautiful mind. Thank you for the interview and the platform in which to give him a place to speak.
@@LiaM-sg8uw ah man, It’s just a joke. A play on the fact that Andrew is gay a man and I am a str8 man and … you know what never mind. Jokes never work when you explain them. 😃
You don’t need to be gay to like a gay man! What the heck are you on about?! Liking man who happens to be gay is not a threat to your masculinity and your sexual orientation, homie. 🙄
Andrew is absolutely brilliant, and this was a fantastic, thoughtful, and very informative interview! Thank you! This is one of your best; Andrew is always an amazing guest, and you did marvellously in developing the topics and giving support in terms of dialogue. This was absolutely wonderful!
@@DadSavesAmericaWhen Andrew is talking about the fundamental hate the woke have for the working class and said something along the lines of ‘this is not a belief system for proles’, he was on the verge of merging into Rob Henderson’s ideas regarding luxury beliefs. It would be cool if you could bring Rob Henderson in, I think he’d have a great deal to say about this and elaborate in terms of how this trend has taken shape and captured so many who frankly cannot afford to absorb the cost of these beliefs and actions.
This has opened my eyes to a lot of things, and it made me reconsider my stance on the whole LGBTQ+ movement. Now I understand why people from the moment want to remove the TQ, it’s mostly straight people with fetishes in these Pride parades, nearly nothing to do with gay marriage to celebrating it, they totally overtook the movement under the guise of ‘faking being gay’ so to speak, that’s why so many people identify as ‘queer’ rather than gay or lesbian, they’re spicy straights that just want to be special snowflakes. It’s making so much sense. What an informative video, thank you for making it.
One lesbian spoke to me at Kellie-Jay Keen's 'Let Women Speak' event and was saying she found the word "queer" rude because of it being an insult. Older gays hate it.
@@DarkAngel2512 I am in my 50s and when I saw the word 'queer' included I was shocked, for that very reason. I grew up with that word being derogative.
Thank you for this interview! I love Andrew’s way of describing things that I cannot find the correct words and/or phraseology. If only I could share this with all my family and friends without the snarky remarks and distain. Thank you Andrew! And thank you “Dad”!
@mountwalker2785 I wasn't talking about Andrew . The interviewer was very honest about his past discomfort with the thought of male homosexuality. I'm sure even many of the most liberal straight men do. It's nice to see someone at least admit it, and try to be understanding, instead of someone pretending to be more liberal about it than they are.
I absolutely love this conversation. Two adults talking honestly about the gay rights movement, with all the discomfort that brings and all the new insight it can bring too.
Back to the lesbian underground days. Secret meet ups, gathering in private rather than public, news through private channels. We already know how to do this.
I live in “boystown” Chicago. Almost every gay male is in favor of this ideology. This isn’t a problem with just people that want to erode the idea of homosexuality. Andrew is trying to take all the blame away from gay individuals. As a gay man, we are the ones that let this ideology in and helped it spread.
Chicago seems to be particularly in deep with this ideology. I first saw pronouns in an email signature from a Chicago person. It must have been back in 2015. I live here now and have never seen so many non-binary walking the streets in my life (this might also have to do with my moving here in 2020 right when this was going majorly mainstream) I still think chitown is uniquely trans.
I live in Uptown Chicago!! Therapist here--we are in the fight together. Sorry, my field has made a mess of this; I am a 37 year old bi therapist, the Center on Halsted 10 years ago decided to go with another candidate as an intern, because I didn't have enough knowledge about HRT, even though i had started an LGBTQ database, with a few other people. They did not appear to care too much about the counseling aspect, more about the physical transitions. Sending you love down Broadway!
@@SHope-rq1hc I worked for a private psychology practice in Lakeview and actually finished my master in clinical mental health in 2021. I decided not to practice cause the field seemed so corrupted (my program seemed like an actual joke, no real learning). Nice to know there are some reasonable therapists in the area. Sending my love right back! :)
No, not at all! Gay rights were about equal rights, not better than rights. This was a liberal movement. Intersectionality identifies a hierarchy of victim groups, each trumping the rights of other groups, working these to the bottom of the pile, such as lesbians, women, straight acting gay men. This Ideology aims to cause mayhem, division and intolerance in the name of equality and progress. Critical Queer Theory, has taken root in the gay community and the result is too embarrassing to bear.
Thank you both for jumping into this conversation!!! This is pretty heartbreaking to hear about psychology's corruption. The notion that a suffering teenager would go into a therapist and be "affirmed" in confusion seems antithetical to everything the best of therapy is meant to accomplish. I strongly recommend that both of you check out my good friend and repeat guest Dr. Camilo Ortiz. He's building a community of therapists who reject toxic victimhood ideology and re-commit to fostering agency and independence. www.drcamiloortiz.com
Same-sex marriage is not a slippery slope to what we're seeing today; it's a ramp up out of it. This is the first generation in human history that can all grow up aspiring to get married and to have the support of friends and family, whether gay or straight. It emboldens family values and gives gay teens a meaningful perspective on their futures; as opposed to the usual course of drugs and promiscuity.
That may be so. However I have seen it impinge on the rights of others, including viscous attacks on religion. People being jailed for reading the Bible and a ten year jail sentence if a parent prays a child with gender dysphoria recovers, this jem was included in gay conversion therapy legislation.
@@grannyannie2948 Counseling a child struggling with his or her own identity is absolutely not the same as trying to make someone attracted to one sex and not the other against the way they're wired. Sexual orientation is a very real phenomenon that virtually everyone understands in concrete terms and has been thoroughly studied; gender identity is barely even a coherent concept.
@@broark88 My point is that politicians are using homosexualality to submit laws about transgender issues. I agree they are not the same thing. But the fact is that having voted for SSM, the government believes that empowers them to do whatever they like. As for counseling a child with gender dysphoria that also carries a ten year jail sentence. Affirmative care is all that is permitted. And again this has been put in gay conversion therapy legislation.
The British definition of Liberal is exactly how I describe myself and I'm American. I tend to say "classical liberal." I'm certainly not remotely a progressive.
There is something called "regressive Left", which describes the crazy phalang within the Left (woke, pro-transgenderism, anti-Israel, pro-islam) who are not really Left in the classical sense but "identify as the Left". :)
Same, we’re not allowed left of center anymore so we’ve congratulated right of center. We can fight the progressives from here and not let the right slide to far right from the inside.
gay marriage was about the legal rights in Canada. If a spouse passes away, the partner could lose their home to the deceased next of kin blood related. If your spouse was ill in hospital, only family had visiting and information rights, not a same sex spouse. It is about having the same rights as heterosexual couples do to each other.
This could have been solved by making a will, in the same way unmarried heterosexual couples solve this issue. In Australia SSM led to attacks on religion. Apparently the mere sight of a Bible can be interpreted as hate speech.
As a gay man I agree with what is being said. I would push back on it more, but guarantee I would lose my job over it. Companies push this ideology and that is what holds so many back from speaking out. I don’t care what other people think of my opinion, but I love my job and can’t afford to lose it. You know if you said anything against it that there would be a flood of people inundating your employer to have you fired, and you would be because they need to appease the loud crazy people. So for me I just don’t support gay organizations, pride, so on. I’ll speak with my dollars instead.
I am not LGB but I have thought for a number of years that it’s all been about the erosion of LGB boys and girls, this was my instinct. Thank you Andrew for truth, facts and confirming my thoughts. Great interview!!
Ah yes. After years, your search for the one loud idiot who confirms your (unfounded and illogical) preconceptions is over. You've found your token. Congrats.
That's because it's a lot cheaper and easier to teach kids to take a specific exam than to actually... Y'know, supply the financial and societal support to teach critical thinking skills, and actual life skills which will help them flourish long-term. Plus, people in power don't exactly like an educated public. It's bad for their control schemes.
I have come to the conclusion that many so-called 'soft science' faculties were invented to monetise the middle class requirement for college 'education' even for the lower IQ members of that social class. (the IQ stats are clear) So what can you expect when a group actually selected for lower IQ get together in a group-think? I think the evidence is in.
@@GuynhistruckMy comment about the lower IQs of those in the so-called 'soft sciences' (fully objectively verified by the reseach) and the effect of group think among those thus selected, has been removed. I'll see if this survives
As soon as Trans became anti trans and started saying that male and female didn’t exist, it became obvious that what they wanted was to end Gay men and women and usurp the pride movement. Honestly GAY men have now separated themselves from this whole movement and created newer events that are all men . And these events have been becoming increasingly popular year over years . And even the most liberal gay friends have been more outspoken about this attack on being gay and lesbian. This is a great interview!
That was just brilliant! Thanks so much. I literally just discovered you earlier today searching about the Olympics debacle. Now I am subscribed. I love to watch reasonable people with good brains that talk to other reasonable people with brains like Andrew.🎉
I don't know what study you saw but lesbians are less promiscuous which is why they have the lowest incidence of STDs and why their 'clean' blood was sought after during the AIDS crisis. LGBw/oTQ
women are generally less promiscuous than men, lesbians are less promiscuous than gay men and heterosexual couples, probably because the couple is composed of two women so the level of promiscuity is lowered. This doesn't mean that there are no promiscuous women including Lesbians but generally women are less promiscuous than men
I'm a gay man, naturally straight acting now, but I was a very effeminate child who liked playing with barbies, putting on dresses for fun, and having mostly girls as friends. I am so glad I grew up with parents who were open-minded, but reminded me I was still a boy. I questioned my gender through my teens and 20s, but now in my 30s I'm glad to be a proud tall handsome gay man, and not some mangled facsimile of a woman
1:10:14 This is what happened to us, almost precisely... well, in addition to the obvious lying about the flu that must be named... we started to question everything. Even now, listening to Doyle speak about fascism and the folk who must also always be named reminds me that we are now looking back in history and wondering: if war is a racket, what DID actually happen? What WAS the media doing in 1930s? If I can spot inconsistency and grift in the messaging today, and be faced with so many "tribe over truth" militants in my own community, what chance did people back then have to know and understand what was happening and who said and did what? Sure: history says... but I don't see much accounting for the "truth" of 2019-2022...it's been memory holed for most people. So...
Underrated comment. This is something I think about a lot, in terms of wwii and Germany. Incredibly vertiginous to wonder what I’d have done in that society, or my family. Or not just Germany, Mao’s revolution. It really deeply scares me to think of. Friends & family, neighbours, communities…we really think we know each other and we would not be susceptible
@@L_MartinGerman was my first language Aus Hamburg. My familym9ved to the U.S. when I started 1st grade. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. Baruch Hashem
I’ve long been disappointed with the American political terms, particularly “conservative “ and “liberal “. There’s nothing “liberating” about liberalism in America. But to be fair, the “conservatives” have “conserved” nothing worthwhile in my lifetime either.
Words can have the same root and end up with very different meanings. Liberation has literally nothing to do with liberalism beyond an etymological root word. Plus, there's no real left wing in America; even Democrats are basically direct center. They're just farther left than the Republicans, who have somehow gone even MORE right than Reagan, so they seem liberal by comparison. But everyone is too shellshocked from red scare nonsense to ever go far left, for fear of being called a commie and having their livelihoods and safety come into harm's way. It's amazing what the propaganda machine can do to blind people to the truth of American militarist sentimentality.
@@DadSavesAmericaI found your change of heart about homosexuality to be very touching, especially the part about your cousin deserving to lead a happy life. Thank you for this interview. Andrew is phenomenal. Subscribed!
I'm a 65 yo gay male in 44 yr. Monogamous relationship/marriage. One root of this current insanity is the idea that there are no such thing as societal norms. There are and have always been social norms. If they didn't exist there wouldn't be any justification for " movements ". I worked with the gay rights movement for decades. A movement works to nudge the needle of acceptance for a particular group or ideology over years or decades leaving the majority of " social norms" in place. Unfortunately today, the societal structural supports are not just being eroded but eradicated. A society cannot function with an " everything goes" mentality. You want to change time tested norms you need to rationalize your argument and the ramifications to society as a whole if introduced and accepted. Today's "anything goes" warriors haven't done their homework. When challenged they can't present a logical argument but instead vilify and belittle. For change to be adopted it needs to be introduced in respectful fashion. Today's "activists" are attempting to dismantle society and replace it with chaos.
The algorithms have truly blessed me today! I'm in the UK and I've been watching the news constantly, feeling really upset and angry about our government's inability to hear hard truths, and so much of it consists of people arguing and fighting. This was such a delightful conversation, with warmth, sincerity and goodwill. It's absolutely restored some of my optimism and ultimately my faith in humanity. Thank you for the video, I've subbed. It really made a difference.
Sorry but heterossexuality is a identity and homossexuality is a identity too. We have our culture, our tastes, our codes, our ways of being in society and understanding society... It´s not the same as having a identity crisis or having a gender identity, but we have our identity!
Wow……….The conversation I didn’t know I needed to hear. This explained so many things I’ve been struggling to understand. I stayed up way to late listening to it. Lol. Thank you both, so much.
Nearly half-way through this video. My word! Everyone should watch this... edit: Thank you so much. Great video. I will be getting some of Andrew's books, for sure.
Sexual orientation is not a choice, it's just an attraction towards same-sex or opposite sex. We can choose to accept who we are and others, give the same rights to everyone. Let's stop homophobia and hate. Love is love 🏳🌈♥
I agree with you. I don’t think this was ever in question throughout our entire conversation. Believing you ARE a different sex is completely different thing all together.
@@DadSavesAmerica Hi, thank you for your answer. You have a time stamp called "Was same-sex marriage a mistake?", it tooks years to have SAME rights for everyone, not only is it necessary to be accepted and included in society, it is basic human rights. What would you tell your childs if they are LGB, and ask you why can't I marry who I love ? How would you feel if every month someone was making a video to ask if black/woman/LGBT people should have less rights ?
@@749fghvbn Well, this is not at all the case that blacks or gays or otherwise sexually orientated people have ‘fewer rights’. In fact, these rights have long since been handed over and it is a fact that these groups are not only favoured, but that their ‘disadvantages’ (where they existed in certain contexts) have been removed. But not only that, preference, privilege and positions of power are granted to LGBTQ groups and it is clearly being worked towards ensuring that heteros, men and women who do not see themselves as feminists and who represent a conservative philosophy of life are no longer given room for manoeuvre in public institutions. So where you get your fantasy that an imaginary child would ask such questions is incomprehensible. Children don't ask such questions, at most when you really want to poke them in the nose because they still have their own puberty ahead of them. If you yourself want to marry whom you love, you can do so and you can do so despite having someone of your circle being against it. Being against something won't go away and so you have to deal with it and live with it, even if that means that you won't get the approval and confirmation from everyone you would like to receive ist. That's life.
This needs to be tagged to every anti gay/hatred filled comment section hating homosexuals and blaming them for everything. Wonderful conversation and very eye opening talk.
Doyle is like cold water on a burn or a mirage in a desert. It’s so good to hear an educated fellow voice everything I’ve been thinking lately. This conversation was so interesting and informative.
@@TheNesbittExperience I am in the UK, and it's only recently that the NHS has taken on board the Cass review. Unfortunately, our government is firmly on the side of 'woke'.
I believe as a straight man that we need the help of gay men to counter the argument that man bad woman good. It's time that gay and straight men unite for the betterment of mankind.
I am gay and agree with you. I am gay, and while I have female friends, I generally find women to be far more devious and complicated than man. As a straight man, this must be a necessary evil….hahahahahaha
Fantastic and insightful interview. As a happily gay man, I know without doubt that if I was born today to a liberal family I would have had irreversible surgeries done to me. I was a very effeminate child, whose understanding of girls was limited to jewelry and heels. When people asked me if I wanted to be a girl I would say yes. I know see how how much of a gift it was that these people were asking just to be antagonizing. I grew up in a very conservative environment, and they would ask that question as a means to poke fun. I simply cannot begin to imagine what my life would look like now if these people were progressives doing the “right thing”. Nightmare fuel.
I marched in a Pride march, mainly out of curiosity, but I refused to hold a racist flag. I brought my own one of these 🏳️🌈. The extra colours are superfluous at best, and disgustingly racist and homophobic at worst.
The world is constantly changing. Transgender people have always existed. I read newspaper articles from the 1950s where transgender were in the news. Transgender people are not a threat to you or the lives of Americans. If someone identifies as transgender, that is their business and nobody else's. They have to work for a living to support themselves just like you do. The transgender movement is here to stay just as the women's movement gave women more opportunities in life. You cannot always stop change. Women no longer wear long dresses like they did in 1900. If women did not wear clothes covering their legs at the beach in 1900, they would be arrested and put in jail for indecency. Would you be willing to wear a long dress and bathing suit today? We adapt to change.
Lesbian female-type person over here and I adored this frank and thoughtful conversation. I've long struggled with the fetishist nature of Pride parades for years and the capture of the "gay community" (as I and the circle of gay & lesbian folks I know have long called it [we didn't need the word/name to explicitly list everyone; we know that one isn't excluded when using a blanket term]) but haven't quite been able to tease some of the ideas apart. So, thank you for the honest questions and honest answers.
My guy, I'm loving your show. I certainly dont agree with 100% of the opinions expressed by your guests or yourself, although this one is 90%+ agreeable, but the conversations are very candid and honest.
This conversation is soooooo engaging & honest. It also made me chuckle quite a bit. I'm grateful for Andrew Doyle for speaking up for gay rights, especially for lesbian's rights (speaking as a lesbian woman). I really hope that humanity & sanity will eventually prevail on Earth.
1:28 - Andrew misspeaks slightly: The app that Sall Grover tried to start in Australia is for all women not just lesbians. And Sall is awesome. You should have her on the show. This interview was great. Andrew is great.
Best couple of hours I've spent online! - As a stale pale straight white old school lefty UK male! - it is so refreshing to see a topic debated in depth , at length with nuance completely lacking in todays media - apologies if i messed up on the ''''''apostrophes!! ''''''''
here's the thing that Andrew doesn't seem to realize, transsexuals were almost all same-sex attracted. he's still arguing that some people need to be poisoned with hormones and sliced and diced to "feel whole".
No, there are heterosexual cross-dressing men w/ a sexual fetish, autogynephiles/transvestic fetishists, men w/ paraphilias who are the primary drivers of the 'trans' agenda. These hetero men, autogynephiles, are not the femme boys growing up, they have a sexual fetish and many are or have been married and fathered children. Andrew is arguing the exact opposite of what you state and that is that feminine men are just gay and don't need to be medicalized into a mutilated 'heterosexuality.' Research 'trans widows.'
That's the part I'm now getting hung up on. There are no other mental illnesses that are treated by lopping off healthy body parts. None. I can't recall the name of the condition (something akin to phantom limb syndrome but not with missing pieces) where people are convinced that a body part, for instance, a hand, belongs to someone else and they abhor the fact that this "alien" appendage is attached to them. Would we as a society applaud treatment that endorsed choping that person's hand off? Of course not. So why is this other mutilation the "cure" for such intense self-hatred?
This was a terrific discussion! Andrew is so eloquent and prepared for any points the interviewer raises. The interviewer is willing to be vulnerable and ask clumsy questions that many people have and either choke back or turn into an expression of disgust such as “and they said they just wanted the freedom to marry! Look what they really wanted!” Which is a leap across a chasm that they don’t understand.
If I would have to grow up now....they would try to change me into a man...I was a tomboy....but I did not want to be a boy.....I wanted to be an adventurer.....I am a 55 year old woman, mother of two kids and grandmother of three....my children have learned to think, reason and question everything and make up their own minds.....they are rasing the grand kids like that as well.....they are pushing the kids to learn, accept, include, but never blindly, always question to understand, seek the truth and respect others and use common sense.
Hi friends. You're going to want to watch this episode! I met Andrew at a dinner with Rob Schneider, whose episode is coming up soon, and quickly realized that he would be someone willing to explore the kinds of tough questions I've been asking myself about how crazy this world has gotten. For example: were the critics of gay marriage correct that it would be a slippery slow to destroying all our core social norms around gender and family? This is a VERY exploratory discussion that doesn't pull punches, doesn't always find common agreement, but is I hope a model for respectful discourse on even the most challenging subjects. I hope you get value out of it and look forward to engaging in the comments!
If you love what we do here, I encourage you to head over to dadsavesamerica.com, hosted on Substack. We've got exclusive content coming including additional long-form interviews, original articles, and (soon) opportunities to hop on zoom and talk about the issues we all face together.
Thank you for making sure generational trauma lasts forever
Rob Schneider? Like Rob, the Robmeister, Roberino, makin copies? Hell yes! I'm looking forward to that for sure.
I saw much of this coming at Manchester in 1978. Well done. Excellent. The Age of Reason did not understand what reason was and we are paying for the consequences of not understanding respect for disagreement / contradiction is necessary to break out of the closed system of logic. This process is called 'being reasonable'. Closed systems make closed minds. Leibniz, Kant, Marx, Wittgenstein, Postmodernism etc:- all effectively denied reason. Reason is the enemy of ideology. End of dull lecture
Thank you so much for doing real deep dive on understanding this topic that people are not allowed to talk about. We really need the gay community to stand together to take down the psychopaths.
The manner is respectful enough but neither participant seems to recognize that there is anything gay beyond either the assimilationists or the Qs. Interesting that the host thinks his son is "all right" because he has a girlfriend.
I’m a lesbian and I agree with everything Andrew is saying. I remember feeling so icky at pride events, lesbian bars and LGBTQ social events. Starting around 10 years ago. Especially the last 5 years. The amount of “straight people with a kink” at these events is astounding . They also show covert and overt hostility toward lesbian and gay people. I’ve lost a lot of friends, because of my feelings and opinions. I think it’s because they can’t see the damage they are doing to themselves and the LG community. It’s sad.
Unfortunately, since Republicans courted anti gay votes, we became siloed off into being vastly more likely to be Democrats with social groups dominated by Democrats. While I'm left of center, I've always appreciated political diversity, and the dominance of one view in an area, geographic or social, leads to dogmatism thriving. So when Democrat dogma went through our social networks, even if there was no forced teaming, we'd be about as likely as any other Democrat to buy in.
But we were additionally subject to special guilt trips (this is exactly the same! You don't want to become the bigot), and more who were disowned or lost friends, many friends who adopted ident i T's, assumed that most were also gay not straight, and older activists packed it up with marriage equality, were no longer on the dating scene, so they weren't tuned in to how it was changing and figured they just weren't hip to it.
I noticed when I watched the lesbians carrying the banner saying they didn’t do penises that the people screaming at them were mainly men, in black, apparently championing the trans movement. A lot of the stuff going on now is pure misogyny as far as I’m concerned.
You are on the right track.
Basically, almost everything is a mess...
As an older Irish gay man and traditional Irish Catholic patriot, I was once told (overtly) that I was “not welcome” at Dublin gay pride by woke elements who had totally hijacked it, after already facing the greatest levels of hate, prejudice and discrimination from (within) the Dublin gay community, especially from other gay men and for many years since my teens in the 1980’s, so I cut all ties and support 18 years ago - I subsequently returned to my Catholic faith, entered into the traditional Catholic faith (pre Vatican II - traditional Mass in Latin) and have had far more acceptance - this enabled me to become very awake to the behaviour of the woke gay community during Covid and what they were doing to innocent children in Irish primary schools, which I feel is totally wrong and disgusting and what informed my conscience on this issue was my Catholic faith, saying all the things that Irish parents want to say but are actively prevented from doing so by these impostors, infiltrators and traitors to real gay people like myself
As a gay man who does not have children, I have been arguing for a decade that gender ideology should not have been introduced into schools. It spelled disaster from the beginning and look where we are now. Children cannot process this information in a comprehensive, adult manner. They just become confused and destabilised. I have seen it in friends’ children. One week they’re lesbian, next non-binary, then pansexual and then straight. When you ask what these terms mean, they cannot give you a proper answer. It’s pernicious ideology sweeping through schools and affecting vulnerable minds with long term consequences. It must be resisted by every parent. If a parent plays up to it, they are damaging their children.
Thank you for sharing this perspective here, my friend. More of this is what we need!!!
Yes. And you could do this with anything when it comes to kids in school. If a teacher were to give a lesson on fairy godmothers as though they were real and then asked the children what their fairy godmothers look like, most of them would start imagining and making up a fairy godmother, what she looks like, her name etc. They just want to fit in and please the teacher.
It could be anything. An invisible pet, a guardian angel, and so on. It just becomes more sophisticated as the children get older, but it's still a similar concept.
I also personally believe that it's a way for kids to survive mentally within the ideology, even though the ideology itself is potentially very damaging to them personally. They want to be anything but a straight person. Especially a straight, white person, which is viewed as inherently evil.
@@masterofcrumpetsId say kids mostly lack the experience and critical thinking capabilities to discern this. Even if they could, I'd say the ideology is always harmful, especially if the majority of the class has adopted it and you're left to feel as the outsider. Maybe even treated differently by your peers for not participating.
But in the end it's not up to kids, kids are still innocent and need to be protected from these things by adults who should be able to know better. It starts and stops with the adults, so even if a kid can survive through this mentally we shouldn't even want that.
Yes, yes, yes! The ideology does destabilize children’s mental development !
Well put sir!!
Amazing video. I'm a gay man happily married to my male partner since 2007. I've always considered myself as exclusively gay. When I was a young boy I was effeminate and preferred playing with Barbie than my toy Diggers. It concerns me that if I was a child now I would be told that my gender identity was in question and would probably be encouraged to identify as a woman! It's horrendous and absolutely would erase my identity as a gay man. I don't want to be a woman. I want to be a gay man. Thank you for making this super clear.
See that's the thing: you wouldn't be told that. Nobody is actually doing that. They ARE saying if you happen to be questioning your gender or sexuality, maybe that isn't the worst thing in the world and maybe you should be supported in whatever you feel. But nobody is actually forcing that upon anyone.
On the other hand, effeminate kids are still very much being called slurs, beaten up, abused, and killed, just for being who they are. Along with those who are in question of (or confident in their standing contrary to the norm) their gender, or sex, or sexual and romantic interests... And it certainly isn't coming from the "woke" crowd everyone loves to demonize so much.
Yeah, the pendulum has absolutely swung too far to the opposite degree... but considering I haven't yet hit 40, and yet I have double-digit number of friends who have been severely abused or mistreated to the point where suicide was seen as a better option than continuing their lives being absolutely terrified and humiliated and mistreated on a daily basis by folks who very much agree with this guy... I'd say it was at least a swing in the right direction, despite having gone too far. It'll even out eventually, but people will remember those who were genuinely supportive of them through it all, and remember those who suddenly took advantage of their sudden place of social acceptance and used it to put others down who they previously might have aligned with.
Interesting! As a boy, I preferred playing with girls, and avoided male roughhousing. I thought girls had an easier time, e.g. no military draft.
However, through a very long adolescence, I eventually became happy as a gay male, and still am. I'm glad the option of changing gender did not exist then.
So, I sympathize with potentially trans kids, but I'm not sure about transitioning before young adulthood. After surgery, you can't go back.
@Guynhistruck Not according to everyone who has de-transitioned but they don't matter, do they?
Same here. They are trying to erase our identity.
Same!
There’s a big danger of the inclusion of any letter after LGB.
As a gay man the rest has nothing to do with sexual orientation and is what is causing a bad rep on homosexuality.
I've always found it odd that we are lumped in with lesbians as we share absolutely nothing in common except our same sex attraction fact. Bi is an interesting section of the community and, to me, requires polyamory to function. The fact of biological gender must be provided for in the trans world otherwise, why did they transgender?
Bissexuality is homophobic because it´s a thing of heterossexual people that want to be different somehow. I don´t know any bissexual man or woman that is not profoundly heterossexual! All the bissexual men that I knew and know find homossexual relationships (love) disgusting and confuse for them. Bisexuality is just an excuse for heterosexual people to stand out and be able to live their kinks. I don't know any homosexuals who are bisexual but I know many heterosexuals who are bisexuals. Bisexuality is the annulment of homosexuality as a form of love, because it is only used to justify sex (and only sex) with people of the same sex...
@@kadran3263 Bissexuality is homophobic because it´s a thing of heterossexual people that want to be different somehow. I don´t know any bissexual man or woman that is not profoundly heterossexual! All the bissexual men that I knew and know find homossexual relationships (love) disgusting and confuse for them. Bisexuality is just an excuse for heterosexual people to stand out and be able to live their kinks. I don't know any homosexuals who are bisexual but I know many heterosexuals who are bisexuals. Bisexuality is the annulment of homosexuality as a form of love, because it is only used to justify sex (and only sex) with people of the same sex...
The original mistake LGB did was to make their parades look like fetish parades. This opened the movement up to later include fetishes.
@@kadran3263 What? No, bisexuality has nothing to do with polyamory, if you're like that, it's just YOU, not the huge majority of bisexuals, of course it's normal that bi, gays and lesbians are lumped together.
Im gay and recently engaged to my fiancee after being together for 7 years. We both are deeply bothered by the TQ+ taking over the narrative around gay people. Trans/queer activists want to destroy the social norms and institutions that gay people fought so hard to participate in. We get associated with their batshit crazy ideology when we never supported it or chose to be under the same umbrella. If you're worried about gender ideology, normal gay people and lesbians are actually the best allies to push back on this stuff. Many of us feel the same way but feel pressured not to voice those concerns.
I personally think you need to re-claim the LGB part of the acronym. And leave them to the rest of the bullshit alphabet.
I have yet to encounter a gay man who supports this madness.
Lots of Uk based gay people are pushing back. Queens speech podcast & mr Menno on UA-cam are both doing great work.
I agree, as a heterosexual woman, I question why the LGBTQ and transrights movement was so quickly picked up by the American government. I voted for Gay marraige because I felt, it was inhuman to deny people the right to be together, but I feel them including children in the LGBTQ and transmovement is horrible. It's in our school and we weren't asked. I am disgusted.
Agree women, men, gay, lesbisn being cancelled in favour of a tiny minority. We are all allies, I fought for gay rights but not today I think I'm a man who thinks he's a woman or any of these inclusively ideologies. We, none of us are not an imaginary ideology.
As a gay man and a PhD clinical psychologist I will never use the new pronouns
You mean the wrong pronouns.
Seems odd not to want to show people basic levels of respect, so long as it's not asked for in a demanding nor obnoxious way. I mean... If you decided to legally change your name for some reason that was really important for you, and someone just intentionally called you the wrong name all the time just to be contrarian and because "you didn't used to be named that" or whatever excuse they might come up with, would you not feel put upon and offended? Seems like an odd hill to die on.
@@Guynhistruckit's not odd at all.
@@Guynhistruck Wanting to control others speech and perceptions is fascism. No. Never. Suffer.
@@Guynhistruck "Political correctness is fascism disguised as good manners" - George Carlin
As a gay man, these are the interviews and conversations we want to see. You must understand that a HUGE part of the original LGBT community strongly disagrees with what’s been happening the past 5 years, mainly. It’s insanity.
I don't think anyone could have predicted what's been happening. People are also blaming the women's movement as causing today's issues. As if equality meant women think they are the same as men, so now men should be able to reverse it.
There's nothing wrong with gender norms.
There was no T it was lgb.
Andrew creating Titania and predicting just how bat-shit crazy this would all become is a work of genius.
It's barely decent satire lol
@@JoshuaRed-v4f - the humorless "woke" take for sure. Titania was way ahead of her time. Predicting idiocy that was only percolating at the time - but has now become - "the new normal."
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@@garyweglarz You cant even define what "woke" means lmao
@@JoshuaRed-v4f - Let me guess - someone as virtuous as you - who has the amazing ability to judge others without the slightest bit of information about them - judging based entirely upon your own internal ideological fantasy world? Just a hunch. : / - well, to be fair - that is simply my - "lived experience."
@@garyweglarz You failed to do the one simple thing. Define "woke"
Andrew Doyle is an absolute soft spoken, incandescent culture war prodigy. The nuanced and grounded cognoscenti are lucky he's out there and active as eff.
...and he digs gay activism apparently.
I cried watching this because all my thoughts, my feelings, my intellectual arguments shared only in my head were voiced and articulated openly in an exchange by two intelligent gentlemen. This now outdated gay man thanks you both! God bless!
Mines too !!❤
I am impressed and touched by the interviewer's open mind. We need more of that. Thank you. And thank you to Andrew Doyle for his work in general.
Well, gentlemen, that was the best 2 hours I've spent in a LONG, LONG time!! Thank you so much for the honesty and clear-headedness. Keep 'em coming, please!
Normal gays have had enough of the rainbow flags & the woke garbage.
We have.
@@BlueNorth313 Yep!
I'm lesbian that came out my teens so my brother's always had an open mind about sexuality even though hes stay hes been with the same girl since he was 14 and they have like a really good marriage and he's like a man's man not in a way that sexist but away that if something happens in the house needs to be fixed he wants to fix it not call anybody and he doesn't know how he'll UA-cam it. He's always voted Democrat you know because he believes and all the sorts of stuff that was good about them and doesn't really know anything about all this stuff and I tried to explain it to him and he didn't quite understand but didn't want to debate something he didn't know about and and He's looking for a preschool for his firstborn my nephew and I'm just like it doesn't matter if you go into a preschool and you see a rainbow flag especially if it looks weird you turn around and just walk back out do not engage.
What is a “normal gay”? And who are you to define what a normal gay should be? Or for that matter, who are you to define what a normal person is? As I say, YOU DON'T NEED TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF GENDER IDENTITY TO KNOW THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL
PERSON KNOWS WHO THEY ARE BETTER THAN YOU EVER WILL.
There are actually quite a few of us (LGBT) that have always thought that our community has been highjacked
Yes, I have used the same word "hijacked" when friends would ask me why I no longer wanted to be associated with the gay community.
Obviously has been realistically it's all sadomasochistic types and deviants
I think that LGB should have their own grouping because it is totally different from the rest. Gay and Lesbian is a sexual attraction, whereas the others are identities or body preference and do not have anything to do with sexual preference.
@@Lenergyiskey358 yeah it's fact
@@ozgardea8782 it's been hijacked by antihumanism and homophobes.
If there’s a causal connection between gay marriage and the mainstreaming of gender ideology, it’s that the gay civil rights movement had given rise to a wide infrastructure of professional activist organisations who, with the last hurdle of institutional gay disadvantage falling, found themselves suddenly bereft of a legitimate reason to exist. The worst thing that can possibly happen to an activist organisation is to win. They desperately needed another dragon to slay, which is why they all pivoted away from advocating for gay people, and became “trans rights” organisations overnight.
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I’m not gay, but I love Andrew Doyle. He has a unique and fantastically beautiful mind. Thank you for the interview and the platform in which to give him a place to speak.
I'm not straight but I love DeSantis
How is the "I'm not gay" relevant in that sentence exactly?
LiaM-sg8uw Good question 😅
@@LiaM-sg8uw ah man, It’s just a joke. A play on the fact that Andrew is gay a man and I am a str8 man and … you know what never mind. Jokes never work when you explain them. 😃
You don’t need to be gay to like a gay man! What the heck are you on about?! Liking man who happens to be gay is not a threat to your masculinity and your sexual orientation, homie. 🙄
Andrew is absolutely brilliant, and this was a fantastic, thoughtful, and very informative interview! Thank you! This is one of your best; Andrew is always an amazing guest, and you did marvellously in developing the topics and giving support in terms of dialogue. This was absolutely wonderful!
This comment really warms my heart. Thank you for sticking with me on this journey!!
@@DadSavesAmericaWhen Andrew is talking about the fundamental hate the woke have for the working class and said something along the lines of ‘this is not a belief system for proles’, he was on the verge of merging into Rob Henderson’s ideas regarding luxury beliefs. It would be cool if you could bring Rob Henderson in, I think he’d have a great deal to say about this and elaborate in terms of how this trend has taken shape and captured so many who frankly cannot afford to absorb the cost of these beliefs and actions.
This has opened my eyes to a lot of things, and it made me reconsider my stance on the whole LGBTQ+ movement. Now I understand why people from the moment want to remove the TQ, it’s mostly straight people with fetishes in these Pride parades, nearly nothing to do with gay marriage to celebrating it, they totally overtook the movement under the guise of ‘faking being gay’ so to speak, that’s why so many people identify as ‘queer’ rather than gay or lesbian, they’re spicy straights that just want to be special snowflakes. It’s making so much sense.
What an informative video, thank you for making it.
One lesbian spoke to me at Kellie-Jay Keen's 'Let Women Speak' event and was saying she found the word "queer" rude because of it being an insult. Older gays hate it.
@@DarkAngel2512 I am in my 50s and when I saw the word 'queer' included I was shocked, for that very reason. I grew up with that word being derogative.
Thank you for this interview! I love Andrew’s way of describing things that I cannot find the correct words and/or phraseology. If only I could share this with all my family and friends without the snarky remarks and distain.
Thank you Andrew! And thank you “Dad”!
It's so refreshing to hear a straight man being honest about his feelings on homosexuality.
Who ?
Andrew Doyle is himself gay. And there are many gays who are acquainted to the "woke" homophobia - myself included.
@mountwalker2785 I wasn't talking about Andrew . The interviewer was very honest about his past discomfort with the thought of male homosexuality. I'm sure even many of the most liberal straight men do. It's nice to see someone at least admit it, and try to be understanding, instead of someone pretending to be more liberal about it than they are.
@@benfisher1376
I agree with you, it's good to be honest about this. In the end, it hopefully leads to more mutual understanding.
@@mountwalker2785 Exactly.
I'm watching from Britain, Andrew Doyle is a national treasure.
I absolutely love this conversation. Two adults talking honestly about the gay rights movement, with all the discomfort that brings and all the new insight it can bring too.
Back to the lesbian underground days. Secret meet ups, gathering in private rather than public, news through private channels. We already know how to do this.
I live in “boystown” Chicago. Almost every gay male is in favor of this ideology. This isn’t a problem with just people that want to erode the idea of homosexuality. Andrew is trying to take all the blame away from gay individuals. As a gay man, we are the ones that let this ideology in and helped it spread.
Chicago seems to be particularly in deep with this ideology. I first saw pronouns in an email signature from a Chicago person. It must have been back in 2015. I live here now and have never seen so many non-binary walking the streets in my life (this might also have to do with my moving here in 2020 right when this was going majorly mainstream) I still think chitown is uniquely trans.
I live in Uptown Chicago!! Therapist here--we are in the fight together. Sorry, my field has made a mess of this; I am a 37 year old bi therapist, the Center on Halsted 10 years ago decided to go with another candidate as an intern, because I didn't have enough knowledge about HRT, even though i had started an LGBTQ database, with a few other people. They did not appear to care too much about the counseling aspect, more about the physical transitions. Sending you love down Broadway!
@@SHope-rq1hc I worked for a private psychology practice in Lakeview and actually finished my master in clinical mental health in 2021. I decided not to practice cause the field seemed so corrupted (my program seemed like an actual joke, no real learning). Nice to know there are some reasonable therapists in the area. Sending my love right back! :)
No, not at all! Gay rights were about equal rights, not better than rights. This was a liberal movement.
Intersectionality identifies a hierarchy of victim groups, each trumping the rights of other groups, working these to the bottom of the pile, such as lesbians, women, straight acting gay men.
This Ideology aims to cause mayhem, division and intolerance in the name of equality and progress. Critical Queer Theory, has taken root in the gay community and the result is too embarrassing to bear.
Thank you both for jumping into this conversation!!!
This is pretty heartbreaking to hear about psychology's corruption. The notion that a suffering teenager would go into a therapist and be "affirmed" in confusion seems antithetical to everything the best of therapy is meant to accomplish.
I strongly recommend that both of you check out my good friend and repeat guest Dr. Camilo Ortiz. He's building a community of therapists who reject toxic victimhood ideology and re-commit to fostering agency and independence.
www.drcamiloortiz.com
This may now be my favorite Andrew Doyle interview.
Wow. Thank you.
Same-sex marriage is not a slippery slope to what we're seeing today; it's a ramp up out of it. This is the first generation in human history that can all grow up aspiring to get married and to have the support of friends and family, whether gay or straight. It emboldens family values and gives gay teens a meaningful perspective on their futures; as opposed to the usual course of drugs and promiscuity.
That may be so. However I have seen it impinge on the rights of others, including viscous attacks on religion. People being jailed for reading the Bible and a ten year jail sentence if a parent prays a child with gender dysphoria recovers, this jem was included in gay conversion therapy legislation.
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@@grannyannie2948 Counseling a child struggling with his or her own identity is absolutely not the same as trying to make someone attracted to one sex and not the other against the way they're wired. Sexual orientation is a very real phenomenon that virtually everyone understands in concrete terms and has been thoroughly studied; gender identity is barely even a coherent concept.
@@broark88 My point is that politicians are using homosexualality to submit laws about transgender issues. I agree they are not the same thing. But the fact is that having voted for SSM, the government believes that empowers them to do whatever they like. As for counseling a child with gender dysphoria that also carries a ten year jail sentence. Affirmative care is all that is permitted. And again this has been put in gay conversion therapy legislation.
@@broark88 So politically it is a slippery slope in how they legislate.
The British definition of Liberal is exactly how I describe myself and I'm American. I tend to say "classical liberal." I'm certainly not remotely a progressive.
There is something called "regressive Left", which describes the crazy phalang within the Left (woke, pro-transgenderism, anti-Israel, pro-islam) who are not really Left in the classical sense but "identify as the Left". :)
Same, we’re not allowed left of center anymore so we’ve congratulated right of center. We can fight the progressives from here and not let the right slide to far right from the inside.
@@scottspearritt5826 I would not call the "progressive" though.
Same!
@@sarral2008 Indeed, the people calling themselves progressive are more regressive than anything else
Great conversation. Watched the whole two hours of it and may watch it again and take notes.
As a gay man I love this conversation is happening ❤️👏🏻🙏
Me too
Why is everyone gay ? Just be straight and normal Ff’s
gay marriage was about the legal rights in Canada. If a spouse passes away, the partner could lose their home to the deceased next of kin blood related. If your spouse was ill in hospital, only family had visiting and information rights, not a same sex spouse. It is about having the same rights as heterosexual couples do to each other.
This could have been solved by making a will, in the same way unmarried heterosexual couples solve this issue. In Australia SSM led to attacks on religion. Apparently the mere sight of a Bible can be interpreted as hate speech.
I was called a privileged white racist years ago for mentioning that some parks are overcrowded.
I was living out of my car at the time.
I love Andrew Doyle. He is so articulate and clear about this issue. X
Andrew being perceptive and articulate as always. Aways a pleasure to listen to.
I am with you all the way with the apostrophe 😂
As a gay man there are many feelings that arise about the parades et al, pride isn’t one of them.
Cringing isn't what I was doing in the 90s Mardi Gras...
I'm with Andrew. Misuse of apostrophes should be a criminal offence.
Count Dankula is a comedian - he does stand up gigs, so the UK Gov did arrest a comedian for an anti-Nazi joke.
As a gay man I agree with what is being said. I would push back on it more, but guarantee I would lose my job over it. Companies push this ideology and that is what holds so many back from speaking out. I don’t care what other people think of my opinion, but I love my job and can’t afford to lose it. You know if you said anything against it that there would be a flood of people inundating your employer to have you fired, and you would be because they need to appease the loud crazy people. So for me I just don’t support gay organizations, pride, so on. I’ll speak with my dollars instead.
I am not LGB but I have thought for a number of years that it’s all been about the erosion of LGB boys and girls, this was my instinct. Thank you Andrew for truth, facts and confirming my thoughts. Great interview!!
Ah yes. After years, your search for the one loud idiot who confirms your (unfounded and illogical) preconceptions is over. You've found your token. Congrats.
Education has become a pay for service industry. Students are clients and the marketing and HR departments outnumber the academic staff.
Accredited education has* you can wade through shit heaps of wannabe intellectuals and pseudoscientists on the internet for eternity
That's because it's a lot cheaper and easier to teach kids to take a specific exam than to actually... Y'know, supply the financial and societal support to teach critical thinking skills, and actual life skills which will help them flourish long-term. Plus, people in power don't exactly like an educated public. It's bad for their control schemes.
I have come to the conclusion that many so-called 'soft science' faculties were invented to monetise the middle class requirement for college 'education' even for the lower IQ members of that social class.
(the IQ stats are clear)
So what can you expect when a group actually selected for lower IQ get together in a group-think?
I think the evidence is in.
@@GuynhistruckMy comment about the lower IQs of those in the so-called 'soft sciences' (fully objectively verified by the reseach) and the effect of group think among those thus selected, has been removed.
I'll see if this survives
52:55 Too right! I'm autistic and gay and feel shut up in my box to feel I have a community to belong with while the TQINB+ are claiming my space.
As soon as Trans became anti trans and started saying that male and female didn’t exist, it became obvious that what they wanted was to end Gay men and women and usurp the pride movement. Honestly GAY men have now separated themselves from this whole movement and created newer events that are all men . And these events have been becoming increasingly popular year over years . And even the most liberal gay friends have been more outspoken about this attack on being gay and lesbian. This is a great interview!
That was just brilliant! Thanks so much. I literally just discovered you earlier today searching about the Olympics debacle. Now I am subscribed. I love to watch reasonable people with good brains that talk to other reasonable people with brains like Andrew.🎉
As a lesbian, I would disagree that lesbians are less promiscuous than heterosexuals. It depends what study you reference.
Right? Most lesbians I know have slept around more than straight people I know.
I don't know what study you saw but lesbians are less promiscuous which is why they have the lowest incidence of STDs and why their 'clean' blood was sought after during the AIDS crisis. LGBw/oTQ
women are generally less promiscuous than men, lesbians are less promiscuous than gay men and heterosexual couples, probably because the couple is composed of two women so the level of promiscuity is lowered. This doesn't mean that there are no promiscuous women including Lesbians but generally women are less promiscuous than men
Watch out. Don't overly value "studies", very many of which are BS. Trust instead your own ongoing, observant self to make inductive reasoning.
I'm a gay man, naturally straight acting now, but I was a very effeminate child who liked playing with barbies, putting on dresses for fun, and having mostly girls as friends. I am so glad I grew up with parents who were open-minded, but reminded me I was still a boy. I questioned my gender through my teens and 20s, but now in my 30s I'm glad to be a proud tall handsome gay man, and not some mangled facsimile of a woman
1:10:14 This is what happened to us, almost precisely... well, in addition to the obvious lying about the flu that must be named... we started to question everything. Even now, listening to Doyle speak about fascism and the folk who must also always be named reminds me that we are now looking back in history and wondering: if war is a racket, what DID actually happen? What WAS the media doing in 1930s? If I can spot inconsistency and grift in the messaging today, and be faced with so many "tribe over truth" militants in my own community, what chance did people back then have to know and understand what was happening and who said and did what? Sure: history says... but I don't see much accounting for the "truth" of 2019-2022...it's been memory holed for most people. So...
Underrated comment. This is something I think about a lot, in terms of wwii and Germany. Incredibly vertiginous to wonder what I’d have done in that society, or my family. Or not just Germany, Mao’s revolution. It really deeply scares me to think of. Friends & family, neighbours, communities…we really think we know each other and we would not be susceptible
@@L_MartinGerman was my first language Aus Hamburg. My familym9ved to the U.S. when I started 1st grade. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. Baruch Hashem
Finished watching 🤦🏼♀️
So much to take in
I had no idea of how awful this cult is
thank you
Great great interview🕊
This was a powerful one. I re-listened myself this morning while walking the dog.
I’ve long been disappointed with the American political terms, particularly “conservative “ and “liberal “. There’s nothing “liberating” about liberalism in America. But to be fair, the “conservatives” have “conserved” nothing worthwhile in my lifetime either.
it because everything shift to left. Today conservatives are past liberal. and today libera are often just delusional
Conserve the constitution to allow freedom.
@@donlovell-m2r We lost that at Appomattox
They just try to make people confused so they get more people to identify as one thing and then they can"reverse uno" them later
Words can have the same root and end up with very different meanings. Liberation has literally nothing to do with liberalism beyond an etymological root word. Plus, there's no real left wing in America; even Democrats are basically direct center. They're just farther left than the Republicans, who have somehow gone even MORE right than Reagan, so they seem liberal by comparison. But everyone is too shellshocked from red scare nonsense to ever go far left, for fear of being called a commie and having their livelihoods and safety come into harm's way. It's amazing what the propaganda machine can do to blind people to the truth of American militarist sentimentality.
Andrew Doyle, you make sense in a mad world. Thank you x
Half way
This should be watched by everyone
Go DAD
Go Tatiana/Andrew
Are we awake now🕊
Thank you. This was a serious learning experience.
@@DadSavesAmericaI found your change of heart about homosexuality to be very touching, especially the part about your cousin deserving to lead a happy life. Thank you for this interview. Andrew is phenomenal. Subscribed!
I'm a 65 yo gay male in 44 yr. Monogamous relationship/marriage. One root of this current insanity is the idea that there are no such thing as societal norms. There are and have always been social norms. If they didn't exist there wouldn't be any justification for " movements ". I worked with the gay rights movement for decades. A movement works to nudge the needle of acceptance for a particular group or ideology over years or decades leaving the majority of " social norms" in place. Unfortunately today, the societal structural supports are not just being eroded but eradicated. A society cannot function with an " everything goes" mentality. You want to change time tested norms you need to rationalize your argument and the ramifications to society as a whole if introduced and accepted. Today's "anything goes" warriors haven't done their homework. When challenged they can't present a logical argument but instead vilify and belittle. For change to be adopted it needs to be introduced in respectful fashion. Today's "activists" are attempting to dismantle society and replace it with chaos.
It's such a breath of freash air to have this conversation in the social sphere ... thank you ...
The algorithms have truly blessed me today! I'm in the UK and I've been watching the news constantly, feeling really upset and angry about our government's inability to hear hard truths, and so much of it consists of people arguing and fighting. This was such a delightful conversation, with warmth, sincerity and goodwill. It's absolutely restored some of my optimism and ultimately my faith in humanity. Thank you for the video, I've subbed. It really made a difference.
You can watch Andrew Doyle's Free Speech Nation show on GB News at 7pm on Sunday nights.
Glad someone is speaking up publicly. I've been saying most of this for years (as a gay male that is)
Thank you so much for your thoughtful conversion.
This was such a powerful discussion. It has helped me flesh out some of the "unpopular" ideas I've had in my head about the T+ community...
Being gay isnt an identity, its a sexuality and romantic attraction. Its a black and white question, are you gay?.. yes or no?
Agree. Being gay is not a pronoun.
@@Lenergyiskey358 it's a romantic attraction and sexual attraction. I'm gay lmao I know broski. Thank you for having a Brain.
@@TheOmnitomNo prob, and a straight brain too, go figure 😂😂
@@Lenergyiskey358 well yeah nobody is homophobic other than extremists now. And big love bro keep being you 💓
Sorry but heterossexuality is a identity and homossexuality is a identity too. We have our culture, our tastes, our codes, our ways of being in society and understanding society... It´s not the same as having a identity crisis or having a gender identity, but we have our identity!
Wow……….The conversation I didn’t know I needed to hear. This explained so many things I’ve been struggling to understand. I stayed up way to late listening to it. Lol. Thank you both, so much.
Thank you gentlemen for an open-honest conversation. You have helped so many I think.
That’s really kind of you to say. That’s the goal!! I hope you’re right.
Absolutely brilliant conversation. Thank you both.
Undeniable logic this discussion was intensely honest and what the world needs
Thank you for covering this. It is crazy what is happening.
Great conversation. Andrew is always a brilliant guest.
Nearly half-way through this video. My word! Everyone should watch this... edit: Thank you so much. Great video. I will be getting some of Andrew's books, for sure.
His book on Free Speech was excellent :) Highly recommend!
What a great episode. We seriously need more people like Andrew.
Shared twice already to my gay friends - - thanks again John. Blessings
Sexual orientation is not a choice, it's just an attraction towards same-sex or opposite sex. We can choose to accept who we are and others, give the same rights to everyone. Let's stop homophobia and hate. Love is love 🏳🌈♥
I agree with you. I don’t think this was ever in question throughout our entire conversation. Believing you ARE a different sex is completely different thing all together.
@@DadSavesAmerica Hi, thank you for your answer. You have a time stamp called "Was same-sex marriage a mistake?", it tooks years to have SAME rights for everyone, not only is it necessary to be accepted and included in society, it is basic human rights. What would you tell your childs if they are LGB, and ask you why can't I marry who I love ?
How would you feel if every month someone was making a video to ask if black/woman/LGBT people should have less rights ?
@@749fghvbn Well, this is not at all the case that blacks or gays or otherwise sexually orientated people have ‘fewer rights’. In fact, these rights have long since been handed over and it is a fact that these groups are not only favoured, but that their ‘disadvantages’ (where they existed in certain contexts) have been removed.
But not only that, preference, privilege and positions of power are granted to LGBTQ groups and it is clearly being worked towards ensuring that heteros, men and women who do not see themselves as feminists and who represent a conservative philosophy of life are no longer given room for manoeuvre in public institutions.
So where you get your fantasy that an imaginary child would ask such questions is incomprehensible. Children don't ask such questions, at most when you really want to poke them in the nose because they still have their own puberty ahead of them.
If you yourself want to marry whom you love, you can do so and you can do so despite having someone of your circle being against it. Being against something won't go away and so you have to deal with it and live with it, even if that means that you won't get the approval and confirmation from everyone you would like to receive ist. That's life.
@@DadSavesAmerica Except many Trans and Intersex ppl are also gay lesbian and bisexual…
They arent disparaging sexual orientation. They are discussing how the woke ideology is anti-gay.
This needs to be tagged to every anti gay/hatred filled comment section hating homosexuals and blaming them for everything. Wonderful conversation and very eye opening talk.
One of the wisest and cleverest men on the planet.
Doyle is like cold water on a burn or a mirage in a desert. It’s so good to hear an educated fellow voice everything I’ve been thinking lately. This conversation was so interesting and informative.
This is such a good video. How on earth do we actually combat this? How do we get back to normality?
(I think) by refusing to go along. One person at a time.
Oh, he's just got to that 1:38:00
@@TheNesbittExperience I am in the UK, and it's only recently that the NHS has taken on board the Cass review.
Unfortunately, our government is firmly on the side of 'woke'.
Only vote for politicians who openly oppose identity politics.
“Gender abattoirs”. LOL What a savage. 😂
The only "critical" I support is critical thinking. And it's in short supply these days.
It's off having dinner with common sense 😂
Why can't 99% of Americans comprehend communism? Find me a single line by Marx on LGBT or gender ideology.
I believe as a straight man that we need the help of gay men to counter the argument that man bad woman good. It's time that gay and straight men unite for the betterment of mankind.
I am gay and agree with you. I am gay, and while I have female friends, I generally find women to be far more devious and complicated than man. As a straight man, this must be a necessary evil….hahahahahaha
There are plenty of people who want to push back on trans stuff but they like having a roof over their head and health insurance more.
Fantastic and insightful interview. As a happily gay man, I know without doubt that if I was born today to a liberal family I would have had irreversible surgeries done to me. I was a very effeminate child, whose understanding of girls was limited to jewelry and heels. When people asked me if I wanted to be a girl I would say yes. I know see how how much of a gift it was that these people were asking just to be antagonizing. I grew up in a very conservative environment, and they would ask that question as a means to poke fun. I simply cannot begin to imagine what my life would look like now if these people were progressives doing the “right thing”. Nightmare fuel.
I marched in a Pride march, mainly out of curiosity, but I refused to hold a racist flag. I brought my own one of these 🏳️🌈. The extra colours are superfluous at best, and disgustingly racist and homophobic at worst.
You should not support any of it, if you ever hope to get rid of the trans movement.
The world is constantly changing. Transgender people have always existed. I read newspaper articles from the 1950s where transgender were in the news. Transgender people are not a threat to you or the lives of Americans. If someone identifies as transgender, that is their business and nobody else's. They have to work for a living to support themselves just like you do.
The transgender movement is here to stay just as the women's movement gave women more opportunities in life. You cannot always stop change. Women no longer wear long dresses like they did in 1900. If women did not wear clothes covering their legs at the beach in 1900, they would be arrested and put in jail for indecency. Would you be willing to wear a long dress and bathing suit today? We adapt to change.
Lesbian female-type person over here and I adored this frank and thoughtful conversation. I've long struggled with the fetishist nature of Pride parades for years and the capture of the "gay community" (as I and the circle of gay & lesbian folks I know have long called it [we didn't need the word/name to explicitly list everyone; we know that one isn't excluded when using a blanket term]) but haven't quite been able to tease some of the ideas apart. So, thank you for the honest questions and honest answers.
My guy, I'm loving your show. I certainly dont agree with 100% of the opinions expressed by your guests or yourself, although this one is 90%+ agreeable, but the conversations are very candid and honest.
I deeply appreciate your open-mindedness. Thanks for being here, my friend!!
The cinematography and shot framing is so beautiful this in interview. What a crew!🖤
This conversation is soooooo engaging & honest. It also made me chuckle quite a bit. I'm grateful for Andrew Doyle for speaking up for gay rights, especially for lesbian's rights (speaking as a lesbian woman). I really hope that humanity & sanity will eventually prevail on Earth.
Lesbians’ rights, i.e. the rights of lesbians. Get the apostrophe in the right place.
Thank you very much for the meaningful conversation!
We so need clear thinking and clear talking smart people like you in today's world.
Andrew Doyle has a brilliant and coherent mind.
Did gravity exist before the word for it? Before Newton? Language does not create reality. Totally agreed.
Im just so for grateful Andrew, he is one our great brits speaking up for truth and common sense. A great comic and a wonderful writer.
This has got to be one of the most sane conversations I've heard in months.
Thank you Andrew for saying Left does not equal Woke.
How on earth could children tell if they were female or male, if there is nothing around that tells them whether or not they are female or male?
1:28 - Andrew misspeaks slightly: The app that Sall Grover tried to start in Australia is for all women not just lesbians.
And Sall is awesome. You should have her on the show.
This interview was great. Andrew is great.
❤️💓💖👍👍👍Sall Grover
It's for all women, including women who identify as men.
@@belindajames3541 that is newspeak
Best couple of hours I've spent online! - As a stale pale straight white old school lefty UK male! - it is so refreshing to see a topic debated in depth , at length with nuance completely lacking in todays media - apologies if i messed up on the ''''''apostrophes!! ''''''''
here's the thing that Andrew doesn't seem to realize, transsexuals were almost all same-sex attracted. he's still arguing that some people need to be poisoned with hormones and sliced and diced to "feel whole".
Yes, and male trans is most prevalent in the most homophobic communities, like blacks and Latinos... If you connect the dots.
No, there are heterosexual cross-dressing men w/ a sexual fetish, autogynephiles/transvestic fetishists, men w/ paraphilias who are the primary drivers of the 'trans' agenda. These hetero men, autogynephiles, are not the femme boys growing up, they have a sexual fetish and many are or have been married and fathered children. Andrew is arguing the exact opposite of what you state and that is that feminine men are just gay and don't need to be medicalized into a mutilated 'heterosexuality.' Research 'trans widows.'
That's the part I'm now getting hung up on. There are no other mental illnesses that are treated by lopping off healthy body parts. None. I can't recall the name of the condition (something akin to phantom limb syndrome but not with missing pieces) where people are convinced that a body part, for instance, a hand, belongs to someone else and they abhor the fact that this "alien" appendage is attached to them. Would we as a society applaud treatment that endorsed choping that person's hand off? Of course not. So why is this other mutilation the "cure" for such intense self-hatred?
Adults can do what they want with their own bodies. Children should be left alone, that's the point.
they were and they were very few at times, the today transgender movement is made up of the majority of heterosexual people
This was a terrific discussion! Andrew is so eloquent and prepared for any points the interviewer raises. The interviewer is willing to be vulnerable and ask clumsy questions that many people have and either choke back or turn into an expression of disgust such as “and they said they just wanted the freedom to marry! Look what they really wanted!” Which is a leap across a chasm that they don’t understand.
Andrew is so intelligent.
the pug joke goes even further meta because pugs are notoriously bad at raising their paw
Brilliant discussion
Superb interview! Bravo ❤😁🙏
Andrew is one of my favorite commentators/thinkers. This was a great interview with him, and I've seen quite a few. Keep up the good work!
If I would have to grow up now....they would try to change me into a man...I was a tomboy....but I did not want to be a boy.....I wanted to be an adventurer.....I am a 55 year old woman, mother of two kids and grandmother of three....my children have learned to think, reason and question everything and make up their own minds.....they are rasing the grand kids like that as well.....they are pushing the kids to learn, accept, include, but never blindly, always question to understand, seek the truth and respect others and use common sense.