Old People On The Internet: An Empathetic Commentary
Вставка
- Опубліковано 30 чер 2022
- Roe v Wade: • Roe v Wade Overturned ...
It's gotta be rough for old people on the internet. I helped my Dad set up a tablet recently and the experience was soul crushing. Everything has changed so fast in such a short time that if you aren't keep up with the times, you will be cut out of the world. This video talks about apps, Facebook sign in requirements, subscription services, and GUI struggles. All of this on top of some classic Modern Warfare 2 gameplay.
Twitch: / drift0r
Shorts channel: / @drift0rshorts61
Twitter: / drift0r
Discord: / discord
5% off ASTRO: astro.family/drift0r
Code "drift0r" also saves 5% off (if the link doesn't do it automatically)
Gamer Advantage Glasses: gameradvantage.com/?ref=drift0r
10% off w/ code "drift0r"
5% off Netduma R2 Router w/ code "DRFT"
netduma.com/
CoD Creator code: "DRIFT0R"
^must be all CAPS, 0 is a zero
Epic Games Support-a-Creator: "drift0r_thereal" - Ігри
“He had a lot of time to think while being blind” is unintentionally a hilarious phrase
My parents swear I’m “tach savvy” for knowing how to connect an HDMI cord or update an app 😂
relatable
My mate thinks he's tech savy because he can link up his sonos. He doesn't realise that his parents are that non savy it makes him seem tech savy. When he's just bang average
hey, compared to them you are. its all relative
Same here. My mom kept telling people I was tech savvy because I knew of a website where you could get college books that cost hundreds of dollars for free lol.
I relate to this video so much! I am the "tech person" for my parents and I am barely hanging by a thread myself keeping up with all the technology and how to do things.
My grandfather was pretty technically inclined, so when he passed in October my grandmother was left to handle all of the payments and she was so lost between all the portals and apps
He was blind, but he was a bit of a thinker, he had a lot of time to think while.. being... blind 🤣🤣. that cracked me up 🤣
I admire you, Brad, you always give the impression of a morally just person.
I agree that even in the last 10 years things have changed so fast it is super hard to keep up. Our generation is more flexible in adapting to the paradigm shift, but the older generation are left in the dust and struggle to keep up. Worst is when the older generation doesn't understand the current technology and fall for scams or internet traps that could be very dangerous in giving up information, willingly or not.
I'm 28 and man I can hardly keep up and I work in IT! Almost daily overhauls and updates to programs and OS's, lots of new tech, lots of trouble with manufacturers backstabbing people trying to repair things. Not to mention the onslaught of information flying at us all the time from just "the world" in general. It's constantly overwhelming
Man I’m a young 21 year old Mexican tryna get out the wicked Hood by 25 😂i smoke weed on my UA-cam channel and i also did a burger king Mukbang inside target 🍔🎯
@@SevenHunnid TF who cares
@@SevenHunnid good luck getting a job when it doesn't work out and you smoking weed is all over the internet lmao
14:34 You really buried the lede. The most important part of the video is that the people in charge of regulating the "tech monopolies" have no understanding how any of it works and are unable to protect us, the consumers, from whatever the tech companies want to do and the problems they create. Not to mention that the tech companies are pouring money at them to keep things unregulated or even rolling back existing regulations.
Crazy to think i started watching your content playing mw2 and now we went full circle back to where it started glad youre still making videos driftor ill always be a lifelong fan!!!
All the bs about needing an app to use things gets even worse when your phone gets damaged to the point you can't use it. It's such a headache to not only redownload everything on the new phone but have to deal with a broken two factor authentication system that refuses to work because it wants you to use the registered device to transfer the services to the new device.
As someone who has experience with software development, I fully concur on the frustration of arbitrarily moving features and commands around. It is one of the most annoying things Microsoft can't seem to stop doing.
As a person who works at dominos where they've been trying to push people online I still get elderly people asking for paper menus which we stopped carrying years ago because they were seen as a waste of money relative to the people asking. Which forces them to go online to figure things out and it seems to be pushing some people away
My dad passed away a few years ago, but he struggled with the advances in technology the last 10 or so years of his life and I (born in 1980) was his go-to for anything and everything "tech support". It used to frustrate me that he couldn't understand things that I found to be relatively straightforward and simple. However, now that he's gone I of course miss those random calls to help him out with tech stuff... And I'm also beginning to be at least somewhat in the same boat, as technology continues to advance in ways that I don't understand... Although in my case, I can still understand most things, I just sometimes have to do a bit of research first. So, great video Drift0r.
What I find most fascinating about this topic is the moment when a combination of our age, physical limitations and the development of technology makes some technology completely surpass us. Not tiring or annoying, but outgrowing to the level of being unable to use it or even unable to understand its basics.
As long as we are young it seems to us that such a moment will never come and we will always use everything. But it is only a matter of time. Sooner or later something will be so far removed from our experience, skills and perception of the world that it will be incomprehensible or abstract to us.
I wonder what that will be for me?
I think about this sometimes too. I think if VR becomes a more viable form of communication with others, that is when I will have lost it. Alternatively, if sentient AI becomes a reality in our lifetime, I don’t know that I could necessarily see AI the same way anymore. I would be completely afraid, to be honest. So many ethical questions come with the future of technology, but so few are legitimately addressed.
@@aleckbo The thing is, it's hard for me to imagine something like this that will surprise, amaze, and then horrify and surpass me, because pop culture is so prolific when it comes to visions of the future that if you consume a lot of it, you feel like you've seen everything (can expect everything).
Therefore, I think that in the case of people interested in technology and SF, the factor that matters most here will not be the essence of the novelty itself, but the age of the person. At a certain point we simply understand less, we are less interested, we care less, and I think that's when something completely new starts to surpass us.
@@SzymonAdamus I see. You make a great point.
Oh man if VR goes mainstream I'm screwed; I have sensitive motion sickness and I highly doubt VR will be tolerable at all
Can we just appreciate how good the thumbnail of this video is?
You look good old Driftor lol
Great vid man! Very insightful.
I love your videos and the best thing is that you always upload around the time i am free
My aunt is the same way. She even still writes letters and buys cards. My dad and uncle (her younger brothers) have helped her with online banking & buying furniture online for her apartment. She also has an android phone she has to learn how to use, but she has something called a Grandpad that she's good with.
I work in information security with a bunch of certifications; I hate the direction tech is going, as you said it's becoming about monetization instead of innovation. Worse yet I'm seeing the data mining get worse, particularly in employee monitoring software, it's to the point they track how much your mouse moves, don't move enough and the boss will call you in for a good scolding, absurd.
These videos, and your yearly horror movie video, have always been my favorite content from you. Thanks for the video Drift.
This phenomenon you're talking about in this video is called the Digital Divide. It is more tragic than you can even imagine.
Being an early 90s kid, I remember the simpler times of our generation and I miss them a lot. All the apps, accounts, emails, passwords, and worst of all SUBSCRIPTIONS. I don’t need my refrigerator linked to my Bluetooth and Facebook account to give me ice or water. I just wish things didn’t all have to have internet to function. We need a return of analog in the simple areas. I’m “techie” if you will but damn man I agree with all of this you say.
I live rurally and my internet is unreliable. Many of my friends have slow as dirt connections, like 2 down. This everything needs internet craze is insane. My buddy couldn't even play single player Xbox games for a number of years because new games are just a launcher for downloads, which took him days, then frequent mandatory updates left him down for days often too. And it slugged his entire internet abilities while it was downloading too. He finally got something based on cell service and it's a reasonable speed now.
@@DWalter.27 yeah it sucks like that. You can’t play single player games on Xbox without internet. Like wtf, I want to play Resident Evil if my internet goes out. Although PS works without internet, kind of.
Totally off topic, I left CoD scene a long time ago, but honestly, Driftor is the only youtuber I watch who plays it now and again. The fact he is so honest, humble, informative. The list could literally go on. Anyways thanks Driftor for all youve done in the UA-cam community, thank you for not being a sellout youtuber and thank you for being literally one of the only youtubers I can watch the entire video all the way through without wanting to gouge my eyes out and cut my ears off. Hats off to you pal!
Such a great video. I go through this on almost a daily basis
My fathers 74 and has no computer skills nor does he know how to use his phone that well. His bank, phone, cable and most bills are online. So I'm always hooking some app. He has been scammed twice now from phishing scams ,first time was 1500.00 from some hotel in India and the second was from a hotel in south Africa. Luckily his back paid him back and the canceld his cards. Keep my eye on his account is a daily job. I dont mind though and I'm glad to do it.
I work in retail and my customer base is probably 90% elderly people. We recently got a new system for the rewards program that has the customer sign in with their phone number. It's just a TouchPad and my customers have no idea how to just punch in their number. When I say "just enter in your number" they just stare at the screen confused. What your video has shown me is that maybe they are looking for a keyboard or a pinpad to to it, but all they have to do is touch the numbers. But you are right. I didn't know it would be confusing for buttons to move around on a screen, like a cell phone. We just know where to look and we grew up with them. I guess it is frustrating to do things and not know the basics that we take for granted.
Thank you for being considerate of your customers
Love this kind of content, keep it up
Great video, love it
*I’m Old-School. I use wired headphones and collect vinyl records.*
Young ppl collect those too.
@@thevinyltruffle lol perfect acct to respond
Vinyl came back
Wired headphones are still the best headphones around though lol
10:49 That's why I turned off my UA-cam history so I can choose what types of videos I want on my timeline just by clicking the like button
I stumbled upon this video completely randomly, but boy does it sum up my problems with tech perfectly.
The various software-defined controls on devices (i.e. buttons on a touchscreen) are great and necessary when you want to add new features without upgrading hardware, but they also make user experience bad and confusing if the controls are changed with every update for no apparent reason, which happens too often, no innovation or improvement, just change for the sake of change. Same goes for GUIs in programs/applications. Also burying "advanced" settings as deep as possible in the menus and spreading them around X different places helps nobody either - why the hell does it take half an hour or googling to set up a fixed IP address on a smart TV? It's almost as if designers think people are too dumb to navigate one hierarchical menu with all the options available sensibly categorized like it used to be in the 2000s era and you absolutely need a "one button setup" that leaves all important settings on default anyway, but makes you agree to enable all the data mining BS.
I'm 30-ish and have been a tech enthusiast since childhood, so I understand how and why tech companies are doing what they're doing and try not to depend on them too much, but over the last 10 or so years it's getting more and more difficult, with all the mandatory accounts to activate software and devices, almost all of the accounts needing at least a linked phone number, or even a separate mobile app for 2FA, then you have subscriptions for your music, movies, games, even fkin seat heating in your car. If you are used to old school approach of just buying a product (be it a music album, game, software, or an electronic/electrical device) that you then own forever and it simply does its thing without any additional BS, you are forced to take increasingly ridiculous measures to accomplish that, like flashing alternative firmware for your phone or smart device, blocking data collection on network level and various other "hacks". This is not acceptable for a normal user, therefore they get the two options you mentioned - either your let us mine your data and your stuff works, or your stuff doesn't work.
Even for a tech enthusiast, you have to give up a lot of time and convenience for this approach, and not every service has an alternative. Sure, you can self-host your e-mail, private cloud, use Matrix instead of Whatsapp etc. but you still have to use stuff like e-banking. What if your bank decides to only use Google Pay or a similar service and discontinue physical credit cards?
The current state of tech sucks, but I don't think that enough people even care to make any change. In the end, it comes to what is more important to you - privacy and ownership or convenience... As for the scamming of people (be they old or young) with poor knowledge of something they are forced to use, that's not limited to technology and will always happen as long as there are scammers in the world ;)
big fan of the honesty
Great rant 👍
Kind of done with CoD not played in 2 years, but love unrelated to CoD vids from u drift. great stuff :)
Good work Brad
This video speaks to me. Along with being considered tech savvy, I'm tired of so many "smart devices" and algorithms reading everything I watch. Just let us be a little. Tech is good in moderation like everything else.
One thing that could help with say the youtube algo is to turn off history tracking. I did that like 10 years ago and it's kept it in check. The only thing it has to go off of now are my likes and subscriptions. Occasionally it still shows other stuff but not nearly as obscessively as say my wife's account which has history tracking active and my niece watches one thing on her account and suddenly she's bombarded with obnoxious hyperactive streamers. I have my niece use my account and told her not to like or subscribe and I don't see any of that.
Also, I really feel you about tech becoming obnoxious as well. I've been in tech since forever and have not had much trouble, but these days, a lot of stuff seems to go out of it's way to overcomplicate itself. Most of my cussing moments were things like trying to change my Air Conditioner thermostat to the new wifi password. It's not just use the display on it to enter the new one... I have to put it into this special mode where it becomes an access point, have the app downloaded on my phone, connect to it's wifi, hope the app actually detects that it's present, and on the third try maybe it connects and lets me change the password for it. Seems needlessly complicated just for the sake of it. Don't even get me started on why the dishwasher has wifi. I didn't ask for that but it's what they installed when I had my house built.
I know things are hard lately. Thank you for making this video, Driftor! Also, thank you for engaging with me on twitter and helping me find my gf some relief for her skin. I appreciate you beyond just your content creation.
The point about finding new ways to innovate monetisation is such an important one and the use of modern warfare 2 in the background illustrates it well.
Hey drift, I am studying philosophy and I appreciate your videos on these topics greatly. As an avid gamer myself I am glad you make thinking philosophically more accessible. I would love to see a video on what you think about existentialism! Kafka and Camus have some of the most brilliant pieces of literature I’ve ever read
I'm 52. I've been a gamer since my Aunt gave me a Magnavox Odyssey. I've stayed on top of tech, but I can see other people my age really struggling. I wonder how much longer I'll last, lol.
Enjoyable and informative
This video made me to think our life of next decade.
I am with you 100% here. We rely WAY TOO MUCH on random tech companies (maybe even not locally based) handling our BASIC needs and services.
I call my local energy service and customer support is in India.
"He had a lot of time to think while being blind" lol
It doesn't even have to be political videos. I watch one Vtuber video or a game review or two or a few music videos and my recommended becomes flooded with the same stuff. It makes finding new content almost impossible because I'm just being force fed the same crap over and over again. I'll ignore a specific video because I don't want to watch it and it will never go away. It'll recommend videos to me that I've already watched. It all drives me nuts!
My dad took basic computer classes around '05, but couldn't master the difference between right/left click.
Yet he learned touch screen on smart phone easily 🤷
I love that he says "Cathode Ray Tube" before crt or tube tv
Bro u did a greatr job on the documentary style thing, get some tiny mics to clip onto people and you are a great fit and face for it bro! follow the money...
Im in my 20's and I feel the same way about a lot of these things, not being able to own anything or no one time payments everything is a battlepass/subscription.
That thumbnail had me rolling
What I think is weird is that my Grandpa, who just turned 70 and was an engineer for a nice amount of his life. However, now he falls for so many scams on the internet. He’s still mentally sharp, but something just makes him more vulnerable online…
absolute banger opinion video as usual, thanks driftor. totally agree (and I'm a college student)
by the way, MW2 is so good that in your last few videos I sometimes I zone out while watching your gameplay, and I have to rewind to pay attention to what you said 😂
drift0r in 40 years
Im glad im not the only one thats had this epiphany/realization. Things are getting a bit outa control imo
On the topic of algorithms, Years ago I turned off my UA-cam watch history and I’m never going to turn it back on
I work with old people that to them my generation is messed up because we can't cut a tree down and build a shed out of it by hand but ask for help all the time with computers. You're a magician when you copy paste.
Ohh man, I truly feel for the older generation. I once had a discussion with an older person who was really lovely, but she was tech illiterate. She didn’t want to pay a transaction online or through an app, she wanted to pay via cash but it wasn’t allowed at the time. It was really frustrating
Driftor has been my Grandpa since 2013
I feel the tech has passed me up, and I'm your age. I grew up with the internet and a healthy dose of stranger danger. Now everyone posts their entire lives to the internet, and I don't so I'm left behind; I don't even have social media. I don't want a bluetooth speaker, baby camera, dishwasher, etc. that goes to the cloud; but basically every electronic does now. I don't want Alexa and friends integration. I don't want algorithms suggesting things to me. And I don't want to trade being spied on for free things...
But everyone else seems to want these things. So now I still like gaming, the internet, and tech; but it's becoming increasingly difficult to support any of it. And you can't just get the alternatives either; like you said the old school legacy stuff is disappearing quickly.
Instantly got a suggestion on UA-cam for a video titled “streaming services have gone too far”
I see you with the sniper drift0r!
Point well taken on youtube algorithm. One wrong click and every recommended video goes to hell for a month
top notch memes as always, but yeah we basically need more "tech people" in the leadership class all over the world
Just look at the interior of a car from 2012 and a new car from 2022 radically different tech
My new microwave has a battlepass and I love it. New skin once a week, baby! 😎
I agree with this video
Nice gameplay
My Uncle Friend Been In Jail Since 2006 He Got Out This Year & Couldn’t Believe You Could FaceTime Or Video Chat With Ppl
agreed.
Always makes me smile when you refer to yourself as a Boomer :)
11:23 Really good point.
14:23 Also very important to point out that the "innovation" is not to benefit the consumer but to do whatever nessesary to extract more value from them, be that thier data when its completely unnessesary, anything, this is not all going to just so happen to be for the greater good aswell, because thier *goal* is greater profits not benefitting the consumer.
14:34 I'll want to find this Carl Sagan - The Demon-Haunted World (book co-authored by Ann Druyan ?) quote as it sounds very useful. Some of us need to understand this world to prevent those with power e.g. tech monopolies or technocrats (democracy is not guarenteed) from taking advantage, this is one of the reasons I am trying to become a polymath.
How has your journey of becoming a polymath fared for you? I’ve always been interested in becoming one, mainly for practical reasons, but it seems so difficult nowadays with how specialized topics have become in the modern age.
@@advenco344 Outside of my main feilds which are classic STEM I've goen for psychology as I felt it would accelarate my progress in other feilds which it did but I discovered very quickly that since its such a broad feild noone knows what they hell they are talking about, mostly they know the broad strokes of what each other say but I'd argue it's actually harder for one to learn about a topic if they litterally only ever learn that topic as there's so much you learn from everything else which not only improves your thinking but also gives you context and extra information to use in specific areas, although obviously if you only have time to just learn engineering just so that you can design a car or what ever and aren't interested in making the best thing of all time with knowledge of all chemicals and materials you could use then just learn the "bare minimum" so that you can do your job. I'd argue society isn't so specialised because that's what's optimal it's the way it is because that's what's practical.
Edit: to give an example as I realise ^ that's ^ quite abstract, think about reading back on messages of yourself from 5 years ago that you regret, why were they so dumb cringe or silly to send? And how do you know that? Unless you consider yourself a textpert now or something then its not because you now specialise in texting but instead because you have so much more life experience and wisdom, self control. A million reasons. So hence the solution to even the solotary goal of not sending cringe texts would not be to text 24/7 it would be to focus on improving yourself while keeping in mind how seemingly completely unrelated things might *apply* to getting better at texting, not developing monkey brain by doing nothing but text all day.
^Random example^ but I hope it illustrates well why specialising even for a specific task itself is not nessesarily better. Or alternatively you could think of this as being why your mother was always right when she said she'd explain something when you're older because although she could explain all the specifics of that circumstance it just would not be efficient and would make your head spin, not be very exciting and probably wouldn't even be good for your development as a person.
Destroy the world of marketing and watch the rest of the world recover.
The monitization thing reminds me of how BMW tried to charge a recurring fee for the heated seats in their cars..
I get the thing about training algorithms
Tbh, I just get annoyed about constant subscription services which get extremely aggressive, the need for everything to have 5 million different apps, the need to have 5 million accounts you need to remember, this vicious cycle, and it isn't even about tech, it's economics and money above all
I have next to no interest in smart devices specifically because of stuff like this. My iPhone is about the only smart thing I have (I have a gaming PC but I wouldn’t consider it a smart device).
I refuse to get Venmo or cashapp, PayPal is my only online payment method (besides credit card). If it can’t take one of those two, then I’m not using it. I only have one streaming service, HBO Max, and it’s good enough for me.
Ive tried to minimize how spread out my accounts and services are, and so far it’s worked out pretty well for me
Trying to live a similar life here
Me who is 24 being relegated as the Family tech support. I have fully relate with family asking for help.
The intro 🤣
I hate to say it because it does inconvenience a lot of non-tech people but I love the app centered things. It's so convenient for me.
Imagine paying for something and then you need to subscribe to there service in order to work
Make more videos like this
The thing with teaching old people the internet is we're trying to catch them up on 20-40 years of history and technology and they want to learn it all in an afternoon. That's been my experience at least
one time i tried to work in fast food and i asked how we got our schedule. they told me they post them on a facebook group. i didn’t have facebook and they told me i should have my mother or a girlfriend to join it for me.
I still to this day can’t figure out how to record a tik tok and I still don’t know wtf is an NFT
one that pissed me off recently was, installing windows 11 on a new pc and realizing that there is no longer a "no internet option". I found a work around for this with a five minuet google search but it really rubbed me wrong.
It took over 3 hrs and almost 3k views before it showed in my feed.
Hate technology sometimes, like my job is supposed to check in people on the iPad worked for about a day or 2 before the system kept freezing so now we use a good ole pen and paper.
Maybe I'm just getting old too, but everything seems complicated these days, and the "easier" something is supposed to be, the more complicated or problematic it seems to be...and instructions, wherever you can find them, seem very poorly written.
I wanna play MW2 PC that looks so freaking cool my mans is running around with peacekeeper lol
Driftor, I really think a cool direction you can take the follow up commentary on this is an analysis on who the primary customer for these tech platforms are. If you look at the shady practices these tech companies do you will find a link between who is paying the bill and how much data is being extracted. For example Facebook vs Apple... Apple primarily gets their money from people buying their products so they have no incentive to allow facebook and other companies track users while off of the app. Facebook, on the other hand, primarily gets their money from advertisers so give advertisers the data to specify what demographics they want to advertise allows them to basically print money. Facebook got a huge cut to their bottom line when apple gave the option to block apps to track users when they leave the app. I trust the apps and products where I am the primary customer and revenue stream.
Please looking into right to repair and Louis Rossmann he's currently leading in fighting this exact thing in the tech world and I would love to have more people know about it
I think just like my own Dad I don't think I will ever be technologically illiterate because I've been keeping up with it from the start. My Dad jumped aboard the tech train back in the 80s and grew up tinkering with the earliest computers building them and all that stuff, so he has had no trouble navigating technology despite being a boomer. As long as you don't stop learning you will be able to keep up. But yeah a lot of these older people were not into nerdy things when they were younger so they are suffering from illiteracy in their old age.
Driftor looks like Sam the cooking guy in the thumbnail!
When was the peacekeeper added to mw2?
I got lucky in having a boomer Dad (69) that is okay with technology. Bit recently I had to explain to Him algorithms. He kept reading articles that the government was going to take His Mustang and force Him to buy an electric car. It was a good 10 minute talk before He figured it out.
I’m fed up with subscription services for everything :(
That thumbnail lol
My grandpa refused to get a smartphone, the farthest he’d go was a Motorola flip phone
Please don't remind me about my father and his cellphone. He wants to switch to an iPhone mini(which would help since he asked me delete a Bible apps that he claimed messed up his phone, he didn't pay attention to install permissions before downloading) My older brother is the one in the family who handle tech the best. This man is in his 70s and is still active despite a an issues with one eye. He recently helped my brother get a house, was able to see through a scam(I still can't believe that he yelled at the guy on the phone) over warranty insurance. He's old and cantankerous but is still able to pick locks and work as a machinist plumber and electrician(he actually spotted a mistake the Lowe's installer made with the dryer that lead to the outlet being melted, turns out whoever did it didn't space out the wires to insure that there was no jumpage between the ground wire and hot wire) to a good degree and yet he has issues with an android phone apps or social media. I'm a just average user of tech who's becoming tired tech becoming more complicated than it should be. My one wish for a functional 10-15 washer & dryer that just had the knobs and basic systems right now because the new models while being more energy efficient just don't allow you to switch directly to one cycle but instead go on a preprogrammed cycle that takes 1 minute stop and unlock.
My opinion is whoever ballsy to bring back great analog technology without any catches will eventually flip it on its head. I’m only 30 and I’m increasingly paranoid about the day the housing market crashes and I could afford my own home that I’ll only be able to fill my house with spyware appliances. It’s terrifying enough with our phones and the adoption of Alexa/Google Home/Apple HomePod. No one should be forced to have a Facebook or Google account to use anything from their home or to keep them connected to society.