I think it also has something to do with Drift0r being mature, sensible, and understanding about political viewpoints and stuff, unlike a lot of the people you see in the comment section lol
Dave Florida I feel like I'm in a different internet because saying this definitely isn't going to fly with everything. Being "politically correct" on everything isn't the safe way at all on UA-cam at least
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Put these monuments in a historical museum. I know it's an ugly and crude past, but we must preserve our countries history. The good and bad. "Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.."
Badar Lowry This was a generally indirect statement to him. If they should be put in museums so be it. New Orleans completely messed over the way they did it.
Brutis IS HERE people complained, it's just now we have the media and the platform to do it. I don't really care, it's history, and I love history. I think people should just grow up, it's over
Because there hasn't been a radical group of revolutionaries who want to completely take over the system through coercion until now. They want to discard anything that doesn't fit their 'utopia'. It'd be one thing if there were votes to decide the Fates of the statues, but no, why would a radical revolutionary who hates his country take part in its political system?
And I'm from Kentucky and I don't think people should be treated differently because of their skin color.But I disagree with people trying to takedown those war monuments.
In his defense (some might say Devil's advocate), he said and I quote "from my personal experience" at 4:53. He does not claim his following statement to be a fact. The majority of the people that he has met, in the South, who wish for slavery and other bad things from history to return. That statement may reflect poorly on him but this is also the course of many years during his childhood and his years before college. The "majority" could mean out of the 100+ people he has socialized with over 18+ years wanted slavery to return. It is highly doubtful that he met hundreds of thousands of people who have that sentiment in the South during that time in his life. Times change and what he may remember right now could be long outdated and mostly irrelevant. This is his personal experience and NOT FACT. No need to grab your torches and pitchforks, Driftor is still Driftor. Take a step back, breathe, and relax a little.
Also I have never heard "far right-wing white nationalists" like Alex Jones (who is also from Texas) say or imply that he wants slavery. I think less than 10% actually want that, maybe even 1-2%.
This is such a difficult debate because I absolutely think states rights is paramount to the checks and balances of the federal government. But slavery is just disgusting and indefensible. PS That sucks you were raised to dislike other races. Odd thing, being from Texas myself, I NEVER experienced racism until I left Texas. We went through Alabama and stopped at a corner store its like everyone went silent and everyone's eyes fixed on us. The cashier was rude and just felt that aura of unwelcomeness.
Grew up in Alabama. Lived 24 years there (36 years old now). Was NOT raised to hate anyone, nor to think that anyone was less than me. Very thankful my parents were great people. Drift0r, on the other hand, not so lucky.
x Exoduzx I live in California and there's a bunch of racism here towards Asians and Hispanics. A small amount of successful people doesn't mean everyone is doing well.
While I wasn’t raised in the Deep South, I am from a southern state, and I have never in my life ever heard a pro-monument or pro-rebel flag person say or even suggest that the return of slavery is a good idea.
Born and raised Texan, and I'm all for removing them from public property. Regardless of reason, the Confederates betrayed their country and spawned a war that claimed thousands and thousands of lives. I've never understood the hero worship and glorification of such traitors.
I was on the side of they're trying to remove history, but after you provided researched facts about their construction dates and why they have negative downsides you changed my mind and even though it doesn't bother me either way, I'm not in full opposition of them being taken down now.
Four years of intense combat left 620,000 to 750,000 soldiers dead, a higher number than the number of American military deaths in both World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan combined
I live in Texas, and I have lived here all my life. Never had I once seen or heard someone say that slavery was right or they wanted slavery back, I don't know where you are getting this from. And I think the statues remind us of what not to come back to, it reminds us of the horors of the confederacy and reminds us to not go back to that. Thats why I think they should still be up. And for the neo nazis there are a select few of them, not all people who want to keep the statues want slavery back.
I use the germany analogy all the time and it blows their mind. They just get this confused look and say it’s different and when you ask them how they get offended that you could equate Hitler to decades of enslavement.
Hey Drift0r, just wanted to say that I really like these commentaries on current events and when you pick a random topic and talk about it. Keep 'em coming!
These type of commentaries are the main reason I'm still subscribed to you. Don't really play many video games anymore so I don't watch many of your gaming videos. I respect your opinions and I think you are exceptional at limiting personal biases in these while still including experiences. Thanks again for your hard work. Been a loyal sub since 2012. Keep on doing great things
Thank you Drifter, as an older black man seen and experience many things I am moved by your kindness of your opinion in understanding the larger message such representation in the form of statues portray. It heartfelt that a generation of Americans are recognizing the value of equality.
I could be wrong.. but wasn't there a scene in Michael Moore's documentary "Where to Invade Next" where he was in Germany and they talked about the the nazi quotes hanging from light posts as a reminder to never do such a thing again?
I think parks should be for honoring heroes (abraham Lincoln etc) and remembering our fallen (Pearl Harbor/911). These statues belong in the closest museum to their park. This way we can remember the history without celebrating them.
Jack Waters I want to keep the statues and I own a confederate flag, but I am not a racist. A black man helped me grow up and was more of a father to me then my own father and I have nothing but love and respect for him. Heroes from the confederacy, such as Robert E Lee, had flawed opinions, but was also known as a true gentleman and brilliant strategist. I believe its worth honoring these men for fighting for their states, even though they fought for the losing side.
The Confederacy was not just about slavery. The South felt that their opinions and votes were outweighed by those of the North. Much like the American Revolutionary War, the Civil War was about gaining fair representation. The Revolutionary War was about colonists seeking proper representation (No Taxation Without Representation). The Civil War was started because Lincoln was elected by votes predominantly from the North. This made the South feel unrepresented in the Federal Government and That is why they attempted to leave the Union and create a State where their voices could be heard. These symbols are less about racism and more about Rebellion and the right for American citizens to rebel against a government that does not properly represent the people. I believe that the right side won the Civil War; but, these symbols of Rebellion are important to society. If we remove all symbols of the Civil War, the People will eventually forget about their right to rebel against a corrupt government.
I'm from Louisiana and live in Louisiana I honestly would like to know who you talked to growing up. I've never heard anyone say the things you said in this video!!!
It really depends on the intent if you ask me. If the statue of some racist dude has the words "in loving memory" yeah it's probably not the best to honour a racist. However all you need to do is change that sign and it should be okay.
Driftor says no one keeps up statues of losers or villans, but conveniently ignores the statue of lenin in our own country. Also if you're saying that the heritage argument isn't valid because how long ago the civil war happened then the whining about slavery isn't valid either.
In wich way was lenin a loser or villain? He won the russian civil war and bettered the standard of living for many russians after they got treated like trash by the tsar
He also banned opposition in political parties, brought in communism, wanted the civil war to crush the upper class, prevented free speech, enforced socialism through violence and propaganda, economic productivity was greatly reduced under his rule, and confiscated land, factories and banks. He's not innocent.
DirtyStar "brought communism" and "enforced socialism"? First of all, communism is an ideologie that never existed on earth. It is an utopian state of society. As long as a government and laws exist communism doesnt exist. So your comment makes no sense in that way. Then i dont understand why communism is something negative. I do not think communism is something for our state of society but something to at least think about. I also never said in my comment that he was innocent. But he also was for tge majority of people in russia at that time something good. Do you think that the tsar was less oppressive or totalitarian? It was even worse with the tsar
As someone who lives in the south. I could honestly care less about the statues being in public. I actually like the idea of them being put in museums so those who appreciate them can still cherish their meaning and significance. While I do think it is absurd that people would lash out at history when all these events that they are referring to are over a hundred years old, I would rather them just shut up and get what they want. It keeps them from being covered in graffiti anyways. Have you been to D.C? Its atrocious. Destroying them though, tearing them down? That's wrong. They do have historical significance and teach a lesson. They have heritage attached to them as well. How would people feel if we destroyed all the documents and history around MLK, or Rosa Parks? Exactly. Argument over.
This is all part of history and history is something you can't take down, the civil war was the US fighting itself completely different from something like ww2 and unlike common knowledge it was not about slavery
Appeal to Force fallacy. Winning/losing a war does not make your argument correct. The Civil War Monuments north and south pay tribute to the soldiers who made the greatest sacrifice they could for the principles they believed in. I myself am the descendant of an Ohioan Union soldier wounded in the war. I am utterly disgusted that people are advocating taking away monuments built to honor those who fought opposite him on the field of battle. It's just culture warfare by cultural marxists to try to undermine the United States and its classic liberal philosophy in the name of marxist utopianism.
Your argument is fundamentally invalid. Youre operating under the belief that these monuments were built in the late-18th century immediately after the civil war, yet a large majority were constructed during times black people were struggling to obtain equal rights. This isnt "cultural marxism", that's completely absurd, no one is trying to deny the confederacy ever happened, they are simply desiring the removal of confederate monuments. The fact that there are states that will not let county governments remove confederate statues is ACTUAL(see: Alabama) cultural marxism- as it pigeonholes the history that people see.
As far as I'm concerned, they are American monuments. A major part of our history to be forgotten of. The history books will nevertheless always be written by the victors.
slavery was wrong, you shouldn't own people, but these monuments are a tribute or reminder to our history, let those monuments remind us of our mistakes and prevent reinstated discrimination. My problem is using flags and monuments as hate symbols, they are colored fabric squares or metal/stone in a particular shape, not an excuse for you and your neo-nazi buddies to lynch an equally entitled american minority citizen. They are statues meant to honor men who fought for what the believed in, what they believed in may not be right, but that ideal is the definition of america. And I'm a right wing catholic.
very good point, I do see your point of comparison between Hitler and Confederate generals, both types of leaders won over their people and were celebrated by many and fought for inhumane ideas. That may actually be a very good Idea, don't worship them still today but you should still preserve them in such a way as a museum. Thank you for a civil and educating question, this is how all political discussions should be.
Dwight D. Eisenhower: Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted. General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history. From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained. Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall." And if that doesn't shed a little light on how a "loser" in a war that none of us will ever have to fight, thank God, can still be respected, I'm sure there are many other highly respected Generals and Colonels living today who can. Too bad Gen. Patton isn't here to explain.
I'm willing to bet that all these people who want these statues GONE could not tell you a single about the CSA. I'm willing to bet 90% couldn't point out the Confederacy's flag. The Civil War was NOT about slavery, Lincoln even said if he could reunite the US without freeing the slaves he would do it. Slavery is just an excuse people use so they can use the race card and say the south was equal to the Nazis. It was also believed that slavery would wear off in the south. And Driftor says that most people with confederate flags want slavery back? What? This is the stupidest argument I've ever heard, sure maybe a small percentage would like slavery back, which is terrible, but he said most? This is my argument, you can have yours and I will respect you if you respect me.
Hey driftor, you remember in your series drift0rs madness, you talked about a house in kentucky? Well I have seen it, been in it, and almost lived in it
I too was raised in the South (Georgia and Alabama), and I never was taught anything you were, and I went to primarily private schools run entirely by white families who loved hunting. The pastor who owns the school I went to from 4th till graduation has both the American and Confederate flag displayed on his property, and he never said a single bad thing about blacks. Don't spread the false narrative that everyone who flies a Confederate flag wants slavery to return and that everyone in the South are racist pricks because that's 100% not true. The Confederate flag was a flag of the people before it was a Confederate flag. It was the Stars and Bars flag that was used by the Confederates more than the Confederate flag was. The only reason the Confederates adopted the Confederate flag was because the Stars and Bars too closely resembled the Stars and Stripes in the heat of the battlefield.
You cannot make a comparison between Germany and the south. Germany had two thirds of it’s territory taken away, and was made an international pariah. I also can’t seem to recall the time the south spent two generations split in half, or had every city of it’s shelled into destruction.
im from the north and completely disagree with the destruction of the statues moving them is fine. And honestly i believe the history of the war has been corrupted to make the north and their cause look more just. i truly believe the south's main cause was for state rights and not as much big government.
The civil war was fought over state rights not slavery. People refer to slavery with the civil war today since slavery was considered at the time the biggest state right a state could have.
That has nothing to do with the Southern states of the United States. Yes, slavery was practiced in the old world, it was different from the chattel slavery that was in the new world. Slavery is an old system that isn't tied to just one group. Take off caps lock next time.
I don't understand, the statues have been up for awhile only now is it a problem. They should haven been taken down awhile ago if they were a serious problem.
There is currently a protest in Jackson square of New Orleans to take down that monument. As a New Orleans resident this is the only monument I believe should be allowed to stay. Not only because he was a US president, but also because of his victory at the battle of New Orleans.
As much as my dad hates to say it when he teaches me the history of the United States, despite what the South was fighting for, there were honorable men in the south who should be respected to a certain degree such as Robert E. Lee himself.
please keep you channel about gaming. I disagree with a lot of the things you have said about the confederate flag and I was going to unsubscribe, but I don't believe that I should if the reason I watch is for the news about call of duty and other games. to know that yet another UA-cam channel is getting caught up in this stupid situation that is crafted and brought about just to cause trouble and conflict is really disheartening, especially since the views you display contradict mine almost completely (in reference to the flag). it really makes me think that we have lost the ability care about one another or things that make us happy. now we just focus on "I'm offended, take it down!", or "you're a 22 year old white male, you no longer get an opinion." (the last quote was said to me by a coworker about a month ago) SO, PLEASE, DONT CONTAMINATE THIS CHANNEL WITH POLITICS. you will be splitting your fan base, or even losing them entirely. BTW, I am prior military (Army infantry) and to think that I haven't earned my right to hold the only symbol of who I am or where I'm from (proudly so) makes me think that the only thing that's good in this country any more is the fact that meat hasn't been outlawed (yet). sorry for the ridiculously long comment, I just really don't want to lose another form of relaxation, where I can just say "you know what?!?! at least they haven't touched my games!!! 😏" thank you and I hope I'm not the only one who feels the same way.
Badar Lowry, the confederate battle flag (red field, blue cross at a diagonal intersecting angle, 13 white stars within the blue cross), the one that upholstered in the roof of my truck...
Badar Lowry, besides, I'm only saying this because it's just causing even enjoyable entertainment to transform into a battle ground. which I believe defeats the purpose of entertainment...
T.J. shannon, I like to believe that I am in the group of people in which you've mentioned (meaning I agree that popularity isn't his goal), I'm not asking him to hold in his beliefs, I just wish that all this chaotic BS that's plaguing this country didn't affect so much of what people find joyous or entertaining, that's all. he can speak his mind all he wants, by all means, but once you start feeding into the crap that is dividing this country then you become an "instigator" of sorts. you understand my meaning?
Dawson Levi Dewese Driftor has always posted on topics of controversies. Are you new to this channel? And just because you disagree with him, doesn't mean you don't still enjoy his other content, so why unsubscribe? Also, the Confederate flag you described is not actually the official flag of the Confederacy. It's not the right flag, nor is it the American flag, at the end of the day, it is the Flag of a Nation that rivaled our own. You can display the Soviet Union's flag, the Imperial Japanese flag, to get the same effect? It may have historical and cultural ties to you, but it is still the flag of, ultimately, traitors (Regardless of intentions/causes).
I'd say keep them in museums or in parks, like Driftor mentioned. If you feel so attached to a flag or a monument then maybe you are using it as protection through intimidation, which is not fair... The case of Germany not having Nazi or WWII Wermacht statues is different tho, because there weren't/aren't minorities that these would target, or at least not in the same proportion as black people in the southern states. In Italy we still have some monuments and buildings that date back to fascism, but not in institutional buildings and I think that's a good balance
I'm a northerner who grew up in the south in a very diverse community several miles from a civil war battlefield so I have a decent viewpoint on the issue. I've asked a lot of black guys at work about this and they all said the same thing: they don't care about the statues at all. All the country white guts have said they want the statues up because they represent that their ancestors had the balls to stand up to D.C. even though it wasn't a good cause, it was about pride and rights, not slavery. In other words, the only people who seem to be for their removal are brainwashed leftists who think they're offensive for some reason. And think back to obamas terms in the WH, why was there no movement to remove them back then? A black president in the White House after all, that would have been the perfect time to remove them
I personally think the monuments and statues should be taken down and put into museums for people to look at if they so wish to study or look at them, but I don't think they should be destroyed.
Its like people are ignorant to what you are doing when you remove confederate culture from ours. While yes slavery was horrid we should still honor those who fought for what they thought was right. Those people died believing in their cause and thats what their flag represents. Whenever we remove their flags I feel its like insulting those who died in that period. Why cant people overlook slavery and see the reasons to keep the flags. Oversensitive bastards.
You do bring up a good point that made me think about what I said, while we shouldn't overlook their crimes we should try to empathize more rather. People forget the north wanted to not abolish slavery but instead restrict it so they could have more room for factories. They also only wanted to remove slavery as a last ditch effort. Removing slavery was a political and economic factor not moral. Also families were split and had to kill each other, that means that relatives and family of the north joined the confederates which shows their just humans like all of us.
WatarouDesiderus, oh i know the North wasn't as good as they may seem, but the video's addressing Southern "hero worship", and that's what I'm talking about too. if it were up to me, I'd amend far more historical monuments
The issue is...it's an important part of our history as a nation and to remove these pieces of it from immediate public eye makes it easier to forget, and if those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Men are both sides sides fought admirably Lee and Grant the most obvious examples. There were no true villains. There was most likely a portion that fought over slavery but the civil war was and still is a complex debate over what exactly started it. It's dangerous to begin this. It may not be striking the names and events from history, but it has the potential to become that over manipulated. I find it best to err on the side of caution and defend the rights of people to have pride in their questionable heritage, to look up to confederate figures and whatever they may want. I may find their ideal abhorrent and disgusting, but I will spill blood fighting for their right to preserve its history.
I love driftor reacting to controversial topics. Seems like he's one of the few with enough balls to do so.
I think it also has something to do with Drift0r being mature, sensible, and understanding about political viewpoints and stuff, unlike a lot of the people you see in the comment section lol
Pranay J i like it more because he doesnt come of like a jontron kinda guy
Dave Florida That contradicts our lastl election results.
Dave Florida I feel like I'm in a different internet because saying this definitely isn't going to fly with everything. Being "politically correct" on everything isn't the safe way at all on UA-cam at least
This one was great because he has personal experience and knowledge, so it was a great listen.
I have only lived in Mississippi and there is absolutely nothing like this as far as my upbringing, I'm 19 currently.
from Louisiana same
also most of the south is black.
I am from Louisiana too and this is true
@@chsi5420 Most of the South is not black. MS has the highest black percentage at 30%.
@@roderickclerk5904it is tho lol
It was on this day, August 19th , 2017. That Drift0rs comment section would become nothing more than toxicity. May you Rest In Peace.
This comment section is always like this, whether it's a gaming or political video lol
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Put these monuments in a historical museum.
I know it's an ugly and crude past, but we must preserve our countries history.
The good and bad.
"Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.."
those statues were built to erase the true history of the civil war.
If these statues didn't bother you a year ago, why do they bother you now? Is it because of what the media tells you?
Badar Lowry This was a generally indirect statement to him. If they should be put in museums so be it. New Orleans completely messed over the way they did it.
it bothered a lot of people for a long time it's just that these southern states got people that actually want to get rid of them.
I say put them in a museum.. That's it
I'm a tree tru tru m9
Thing is, these statues have been up for over 100 years and no one complained about them until know🤔
Brutis IS HERE Yea but look WHO is complaining. 100 years ago you didn't have triggered communist lefties.
Brutis IS HERE people complained, it's just now we have the media and the platform to do it. I don't really care, it's history, and I love history. I think people should just grow up, it's over
Brutis IS HERE its called lefties being scared of history
Just because you didn't hear it yourself doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
Because there hasn't been a radical group of revolutionaries who want to completely take over the system through coercion until now. They want to discard anything that doesn't fit their 'utopia'. It'd be one thing if there were votes to decide the Fates of the statues, but no, why would a radical revolutionary who hates his country take part in its political system?
And I'm from Kentucky and I don't think people should be treated differently because of their skin color.But I disagree with people trying to takedown those war monuments.
nah glad they r getting taken down
I personally was unsure of how to think about this subject, so thanks for informing me on the facts. Quality content as usual.
In his defense (some might say Devil's advocate), he said and I quote "from my personal experience" at 4:53. He does not claim his following statement to be a fact. The majority of the people that he has met, in the South, who wish for slavery and other bad things from history to return. That statement may reflect poorly on him but this is also the course of many years during his childhood and his years before college. The "majority" could mean out of the 100+ people he has socialized with over 18+ years wanted slavery to return. It is highly doubtful that he met hundreds of thousands of people who have that sentiment in the South during that time in his life. Times change and what he may remember right now could be long outdated and mostly irrelevant. This is his personal experience and NOT FACT. No need to grab your torches and pitchforks, Driftor is still Driftor. Take a step back, breathe, and relax a little.
Also I have never heard "far right-wing white nationalists" like Alex Jones (who is also from Texas) say or imply that he wants slavery. I think less than 10% actually want that, maybe even 1-2%.
As a black man I would genuinely like to say thank you for making this video driftor.
This is such a difficult debate because I absolutely think states rights is paramount to the checks and balances of the federal government. But slavery is just disgusting and indefensible.
PS
That sucks you were raised to dislike other races. Odd thing, being from Texas myself, I NEVER experienced racism until I left Texas. We went through Alabama and stopped at a corner store its like everyone went silent and everyone's eyes fixed on us. The cashier was rude and just felt that aura of unwelcomeness.
This is BS I live in southern us and we're not taught this at all
"The losers of wars don't get statues."
**mic drop**
Grew up in Alabama. Lived 24 years there (36 years old now). Was NOT raised to hate anyone, nor to think that anyone was less than me. Very thankful my parents were great people. Drift0r, on the other hand, not so lucky.
This aged beautifully
It's the towns history. It's something that when you're driving through town you see it and are remembered of the towns past.
They shouldn't be removed because they are part of history. You can't forget about it
i have papers that proves i'm related to Ulysses S Grant
Be like Indiana Jones "It belongs in a museum"
They changed the voice in the gold peak ice tea commercial
Why do we always speak about black inequality? Why not speak about the discrimination on Hispanics, Muslims, and Asians?
And there's more races out there being discriminated but no let's speak about blacks!
Sam Asians are doing wayyyyyy better than whites my dude
x Exoduzx
I live in California and there's a bunch of racism here towards Asians and Hispanics. A small amount of successful people doesn't mean everyone is doing well.
Sam Well Asians have South Korea, China, and Japan. 3 very good countries.
Because its not relevant to this topic
While I wasn’t raised in the Deep South, I am from a southern state, and I have never in my life ever heard a pro-monument or pro-rebel flag person say or even suggest that the return of slavery is a good idea.
*In public.
You've never heard them say it in public.
@@major_kukri2430 Not in private either.
@TheNightWatcher1385 oh buddy, I've been a fly on the wall to some crazy conversation.
Erasing history = Repeat it.
Born and raised Texan, and I'm all for removing them from public property. Regardless of reason, the Confederates betrayed their country and spawned a war that claimed thousands and thousands of lives. I've never understood the hero worship and glorification of such traitors.
Respect your views. They should be stored in Museums
I was on the side of they're trying to remove history, but after you provided researched facts about their construction dates and why they have negative downsides you changed my mind and even though it doesn't bother me either way, I'm not in full opposition of them being taken down now.
Driftor, I can usually depend on you to make a good case for either side of an argument. 4:53 has proven that notion wrong.
Four years of intense combat left 620,000 to 750,000 soldiers dead, a higher number than the number of American military deaths in both World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan combined
I live in Texas, and I have lived here all my life. Never had I once seen or heard someone say that slavery was right or they wanted slavery back, I don't know where you are getting this from. And I think the statues remind us of what not to come back to, it reminds us of the horors of the confederacy and reminds us to not go back to that. Thats why I think they should still be up. And for the neo nazis there are a select few of them, not all people who want to keep the statues want slavery back.
I use the germany analogy all the time and it blows their mind. They just get this confused look and say it’s different and when you ask them how they get offended that you could equate Hitler to decades of enslavement.
"If we get rid of history, we might just end up repeating history"
-A Smart Guy On The Internet
Hey Drift0r, just wanted to say that I really like these commentaries on current events and when you pick a random topic and talk about it. Keep 'em coming!
i hate everything oliver cromwell stood for.
but i woundt dream of removing our history because i get little triggered
16:47
"That'd be like some Orwellian 1982 stuff" lol
Well done, a fantastic and thoughtful argument. I enjoyed listening, and think you offered great counterpoints to my opinions. Thanks!
+WildCard1791 Thank you :)
These type of commentaries are the main reason I'm still subscribed to you. Don't really play many video games anymore so I don't watch many of your gaming videos. I respect your opinions and I think you are exceptional at limiting personal biases in these while still including experiences. Thanks again for your hard work. Been a loyal sub since 2012. Keep on doing great things
"South shall rise again"?? More like The Soviet Union will rise again
Thank you Drifter, as an older black man seen and experience many things I am moved by your kindness of your opinion in understanding the larger message such representation in the form of statues portray. It heartfelt that a generation of Americans are recognizing the value of equality.
Agree with you 100% Good commentary.
I could be wrong.. but wasn't there a scene in Michael Moore's documentary "Where to Invade Next" where he was in Germany and they talked about the the nazi quotes hanging from light posts as a reminder to never do such a thing again?
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move them to parks as decorations and public history, dont forget that most roman, greek and Egyptian monuments were made by slaves
Glad I showed up before the comment section turns into WW3
I don't think I've ever heard anyone in the southern states call for the revival of slavery
If we erase our history then we will repeat it
I think parks should be for honoring heroes (abraham Lincoln etc) and remembering our fallen (Pearl Harbor/911). These statues belong in the closest museum to their park. This way we can remember the history without celebrating them.
Just wanna ask, who disliked, and why?
BTW I didn't dislike the video, so please don't imply my status on the situation if you're trying to sent hate.
4:53 is why i disliked. stupidest statement ive seen him make and ive seen a majority of his political videos
Jack Waters I've lived in the deep south all my life in a small town and that statement is absolutely false.
CowsAreOurFriends, why do they want to keep the statue then?
Jack Waters I want to keep the statues and I own a confederate flag, but I am not a racist. A black man helped me grow up and was more of a father to me then my own father and I have nothing but love and respect for him. Heroes from the confederacy, such as Robert E Lee, had flawed opinions, but was also known as a true gentleman and brilliant strategist. I believe its worth honoring these men for fighting for their states, even though they fought for the losing side.
The Confederacy was not just about slavery. The South felt that their opinions and votes were outweighed by those of the North. Much like the American Revolutionary War, the Civil War was about gaining fair representation. The Revolutionary War was about colonists seeking proper representation (No Taxation Without Representation). The Civil War was started because Lincoln was elected by votes predominantly from the North. This made the South feel unrepresented in the Federal Government and That is why they attempted to leave the Union and create a State where their voices could be heard. These symbols are less about racism and more about Rebellion and the right for American citizens to rebel against a government that does not properly represent the people. I believe that the right side won the Civil War; but, these symbols of Rebellion are important to society. If we remove all symbols of the Civil War, the People will eventually forget about their right to rebel against a corrupt government.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
People who want to keep the statues up because of 'history' will be THRILLED to learn about the existence of historical literature.
Remove them. We shouldn't give out participation trophies.
I'm from Louisiana and live in Louisiana I honestly would like to know who you talked to growing up. I've never heard anyone say the things you said in this video!!!
I wonder when the founding fathers are going to be erased from history.
what is your thought on the history of the USC horse being named after Lee's horse? THere is recent friction there.
Remove them and put them somewhere appropriate. They belong in a museum, not on a pedestal.
What's sad is that a lot of people disliked your video, left a nasty comment, then left, the moment you gave your personal belief.
Dang dude. Crazy Overwatch gameplay
It really depends on the intent if you ask me. If the statue of some racist dude has the words "in loving memory" yeah it's probably not the best to honour a racist. However all you need to do is change that sign and it should be okay.
Driftor says no one keeps up statues of losers or villans, but conveniently ignores the statue of lenin in our own country. Also if you're saying that the heritage argument isn't valid because how long ago the civil war happened then the whining about slavery isn't valid either.
In wich way was lenin a loser or villain?
He won the russian civil war and bettered the standard of living for many russians after they got treated like trash by the tsar
He also banned opposition in political parties, brought in communism, wanted the civil war to crush the upper class, prevented free speech, enforced socialism through violence and propaganda, economic productivity was greatly reduced under his rule, and confiscated land, factories and banks. He's not innocent.
DirtyStar "brought communism" and "enforced socialism"?
First of all, communism is an ideologie that never existed on earth. It is an utopian state of society. As long as a government and laws exist communism doesnt exist. So your comment makes no sense in that way.
Then i dont understand why communism is something negative. I do not think communism is something for our state of society but something to at least think about.
I also never said in my comment that he was innocent. But he also was for tge majority of people in russia at that time something good. Do you think that the tsar was less oppressive or totalitarian? It was even worse with the tsar
Lol communist sympathizer.
I think open minded and not a marionette of the system fits me better
As someone who lives in the south. I could honestly care less about the statues being in public. I actually like the idea of them being put in museums so those who appreciate them can still cherish their meaning and significance. While I do think it is absurd that people would lash out at history when all these events that they are referring to are over a hundred years old, I would rather them just shut up and get what they want. It keeps them from being covered in graffiti anyways. Have you been to D.C? Its atrocious. Destroying them though, tearing them down? That's wrong. They do have historical significance and teach a lesson. They have heritage attached to them as well. How would people feel if we destroyed all the documents and history around MLK, or Rosa Parks? Exactly. Argument over.
1982? Lmao it's 1984 😂
I didnt know that you had read George Orwell's 1984 until you referenced it at the end
This is all part of history and history is something you can't take down, the civil war was the US fighting itself completely different from something like ww2 and unlike common knowledge it was not about slavery
What would the media say if i would go to Normandy, where i would tear down the allied monument/semetary down
Lol the Confederate lost get over it
Jaggy boo So the communist lost against Ameruca and we here in Seattle have a statue of Vladamir Lenin so should we also take that down?
Appeal to Force fallacy.
Winning/losing a war does not make your argument correct.
The Civil War Monuments north and south pay tribute to the soldiers who made the greatest sacrifice they could for the principles they believed in.
I myself am the descendant of an Ohioan Union soldier wounded in the war.
I am utterly disgusted that people are advocating taking away monuments built to honor those who fought opposite him on the field of battle. It's just culture warfare by cultural marxists to try to undermine the United States and its classic liberal philosophy in the name of marxist utopianism.
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They weren't built in honor. They were built many years after during the Civil Rights movement, and the Jim Crow era.
Your argument is fundamentally invalid. Youre operating under the belief that these monuments were built in the late-18th century immediately after the civil war, yet a large majority were constructed during times black people were struggling to obtain equal rights. This isnt "cultural marxism", that's completely absurd, no one is trying to deny the confederacy ever happened, they are simply desiring the removal of confederate monuments. The fact that there are states that will not let county governments remove confederate statues is ACTUAL(see: Alabama) cultural marxism- as it pigeonholes the history that people see.
Roby Starks that's on private property. Not the same of a confederate statue on public property.
As far as I'm concerned, they are American monuments. A major part of our history to be forgotten of. The history books will nevertheless always be written by the victors.
Got my popcorn ready
How come these statues are being removed but the one of Pope Urban II is still very public
slavery was wrong, you shouldn't own people, but these monuments are a tribute or reminder to our history, let those monuments remind us of our mistakes and prevent reinstated discrimination. My problem is using flags and monuments as hate symbols, they are colored fabric squares or metal/stone in a particular shape, not an excuse for you and your neo-nazi buddies to lynch an equally entitled american minority citizen. They are statues meant to honor men who fought for what the believed in, what they believed in may not be right, but that ideal is the definition of america. And I'm a right wing catholic.
very good point, I do see your point of comparison between Hitler and Confederate generals, both types of leaders won over their people and were celebrated by many and fought for inhumane ideas. That may actually be a very good Idea, don't worship them still today but you should still preserve them in such a way as a museum. Thank you for a civil and educating question, this is how all political discussions should be.
Ben Passyn I agree, I'm glad I could made you see another perspective.
Bull, they need to be removed and should've been decades ago.
Dwight D. Eisenhower:
Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted. General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history. From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained. Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall." And if that doesn't shed a little light on how a "loser" in a war that none of us will ever have to fight, thank God, can still be respected, I'm sure there are many other highly respected Generals and Colonels living today who can. Too bad Gen. Patton isn't here to explain.
I'm willing to bet that all these people who want these statues GONE could not tell you a single about the CSA. I'm willing to bet 90% couldn't point out the Confederacy's flag. The Civil War was NOT about slavery, Lincoln even said if he could reunite the US without freeing the slaves he would do it. Slavery is just an excuse people use so they can use the race card and say the south was equal to the Nazis. It was also believed that slavery would wear off in the south. And Driftor says that most people with confederate flags want slavery back? What? This is the stupidest argument I've ever heard, sure maybe a small percentage would like slavery back, which is terrible, but he said most? This is my argument, you can have yours and I will respect you if you respect me.
Hey driftor, you remember in your series drift0rs madness, you talked about a house in kentucky? Well I have seen it, been in it, and almost lived in it
I too was raised in the South (Georgia and Alabama), and I never was taught anything you were, and I went to primarily private schools run entirely by white families who loved hunting. The pastor who owns the school I went to from 4th till graduation has both the American and Confederate flag displayed on his property, and he never said a single bad thing about blacks. Don't spread the false narrative that everyone who flies a Confederate flag wants slavery to return and that everyone in the South are racist pricks because that's 100% not true. The Confederate flag was a flag of the people before it was a Confederate flag. It was the Stars and Bars flag that was used by the Confederates more than the Confederate flag was. The only reason the Confederates adopted the Confederate flag was because the Stars and Bars too closely resembled the Stars and Stripes in the heat of the battlefield.
You cannot make a comparison between Germany and the south. Germany had two thirds of it’s territory taken away, and was made an international pariah. I also can’t seem to recall the time the south spent two generations split in half, or had every city of it’s shelled into destruction.
Somone gotta remember the 301 view club! Where ya at fam
Bout ur vid Drift, thanks for all the info on the US, i dont live there, but its good to know about different countries.
im from the north and completely disagree with the destruction of the statues moving them is fine. And honestly i believe the history of the war has been corrupted to make the north and their cause look more just. i truly believe the south's main cause was for state rights and not as much big government.
The civil war was fought over state rights not slavery. People refer to slavery with the civil war today since slavery was considered at the time the biggest state right a state could have.
No it was squarely for slavery, its in the Articles of Secession for the confederate states.
christian hunter no it was for state rights. The South believed state's decision would count more than federal decisions
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Except, that the South had no issues with states rights when they were going to allow slavery in the West lol
That has nothing to do with the Southern states of the United States. Yes, slavery was practiced in the old world, it was different from the chattel slavery that was in the new world. Slavery is an old system that isn't tied to just one group. Take off caps lock next time.
State's right to own black people, so they still seceded and started a war over slavery.
I don't understand, the statues have been up for awhile only now is it a problem. They should haven been taken down awhile ago if they were a serious problem.
I don't even play CoD or very many FPSs anymore, but this is the kind of well thought out content that I've stuck around for. Great video.
4:53 well thought out? more like someone that doesnt know what theyre talking about
He literally says "in his personal experience"- he does not use it as fact, more of an afterthought in his argument.
Bignaaasty and you need to take an English lesson
There is currently a protest in Jackson square of New Orleans to take down that monument. As a New Orleans resident this is the only monument I believe should be allowed to stay. Not only because he was a US president, but also because of his victory at the battle of New Orleans.
Ain't this fascism ??
Removing things you don't like
They should stay up.
Would you be in favour of a statue of Hitler in the middle of Berlin?
Roderic Kingfield Not the same thing....
Roderic Kingfield not the same thing
Miksu ` It is the same damn thing.
Well it’s a part of history
I'm an Aussie born and raised/never left yet I Know that you seriously need to get rid of the Albert pike statue in wasighton.
Whats 1000-7?
Like if you get the refrence:-D
As much as my dad hates to say it when he teaches me the history of the United States, despite what the South was fighting for, there were honorable men in the south who should be respected to a certain degree such as Robert E. Lee himself.
God said have no idols.
Statues are essentially idols.
Take them ALL down.
God isn't real tho
Actually, the southern generals where way better at actually fighting, Like Stonewall jackson, and Robert E. Lee
Sherman was better tbh.
Used to support much of what you thought but it seems the liberal colleges really did get to you while you attended.
at 16:48 just a tiny error, the book was 1984 not 82 lol
please keep you channel about gaming. I disagree with a lot of the things you have said about the confederate flag and I was going to unsubscribe, but I don't believe that I should if the reason I watch is for the news about call of duty and other games. to know that yet another UA-cam channel is getting caught up in this stupid situation that is crafted and brought about just to cause trouble and conflict is really disheartening, especially since the views you display contradict mine almost completely (in reference to the flag). it really makes me think that we have lost the ability care about one another or things that make us happy. now we just focus on "I'm offended, take it down!", or "you're a 22 year old white male, you no longer get an opinion." (the last quote was said to me by a coworker about a month ago)
SO, PLEASE, DONT CONTAMINATE THIS CHANNEL WITH POLITICS. you will be splitting your fan base, or even losing them entirely.
BTW, I am prior military (Army infantry) and to think that I haven't earned my right to hold the only symbol of who I am or where I'm from (proudly so) makes me think that the only thing that's good in this country any more is the fact that meat hasn't been outlawed (yet).
sorry for the ridiculously long comment, I just really don't want to lose another form of relaxation, where I can just say "you know what?!?! at least they haven't touched my games!!! 😏"
thank you and I hope I'm not the only one who feels the same way.
Badar Lowry, the confederate battle flag (red field, blue cross at a diagonal intersecting angle, 13 white stars within the blue cross), the one that upholstered in the roof of my truck...
Badar Lowry, besides, I'm only saying this because it's just causing even enjoyable entertainment to transform into a battle ground. which I believe defeats the purpose of entertainment...
You might want to unsubscribe he doesn't want subs like nor does the majority of his fanbase
T.J. shannon, I like to believe that I am in the group of people in which you've mentioned (meaning I agree that popularity isn't his goal), I'm not asking him to hold in his beliefs, I just wish that all this chaotic BS that's plaguing this country didn't affect so much of what people find joyous or entertaining, that's all. he can speak his mind all he wants, by all means, but once you start feeding into the crap that is dividing this country then you become an "instigator" of sorts.
you understand my meaning?
Dawson Levi Dewese Driftor has always posted on topics of controversies. Are you new to this channel? And just because you disagree with him, doesn't mean you don't still enjoy his other content, so why unsubscribe? Also, the Confederate flag you described is not actually the official flag of the Confederacy. It's not the right flag, nor is it the American flag, at the end of the day, it is the Flag of a Nation that rivaled our own. You can display the Soviet Union's flag, the Imperial Japanese flag, to get the same effect? It may have historical and cultural ties to you, but it is still the flag of, ultimately, traitors (Regardless of intentions/causes).
I'd say keep them in museums or in parks, like Driftor mentioned. If you feel so attached to a flag or a monument then maybe you are using it as protection through intimidation, which is not fair... The case of Germany not having Nazi or WWII Wermacht statues is different tho, because there weren't/aren't minorities that these would target, or at least not in the same proportion as black people in the southern states.
In Italy we still have some monuments and buildings that date back to fascism, but not in institutional buildings and I think that's a good balance
I'm a northerner who grew up in the south in a very diverse community several miles from a civil war battlefield so I have a decent viewpoint on the issue. I've asked a lot of black guys at work about this and they all said the same thing: they don't care about the statues at all. All the country white guts have said they want the statues up because they represent that their ancestors had the balls to stand up to D.C. even though it wasn't a good cause, it was about pride and rights, not slavery. In other words, the only people who seem to be for their removal are brainwashed leftists who think they're offensive for some reason. And think back to obamas terms in the WH, why was there no movement to remove them back then? A black president in the White House after all, that would have been the perfect time to remove them
King NintenBro if you knew anything, you would know just because a president wants to do something, it doesn’t mean it is always done. Idiot lol
I personally think the monuments and statues should be taken down and put into museums for people to look at if they so wish to study or look at them, but I don't think they should be destroyed.
Its like people are ignorant to what you are doing when you remove confederate culture from ours. While yes slavery was horrid we should still honor those who fought for what they thought was right. Those people died believing in their cause and thats what their flag represents. Whenever we remove their flags I feel its like insulting those who died in that period. Why cant people overlook slavery and see the reasons to keep the flags. Oversensitive bastards.
WatarouDesiderus, so it's cool for people to honour, say, the Nazis too? or how 'bout other groups nigh-void of morality?
You do bring up a good point that made me think about what I said, while we shouldn't overlook their crimes we should try to empathize more rather. People forget the north wanted to not abolish slavery but instead restrict it so they could have more room for factories. They also only wanted to remove slavery as a last ditch effort. Removing slavery was a political and economic factor not moral. Also families were split and had to kill each other, that means that relatives and family of the north joined the confederates which shows their just humans like all of us.
WatarouDesiderus We are over-sensitive? You are the one bitching about a flag.
So do you guys just post your opinion before watching the video?
WatarouDesiderus, oh i know the North wasn't as good as they may seem, but the video's addressing Southern "hero worship", and that's what I'm talking about too. if it were up to me, I'd amend far more historical monuments
Born and raised in Ga, NEVER has a teacher said ANYTHING along those lines. Wow Driftor...
And he lived in Mississippi and Texas
Trump FTW
The issue is...it's an important part of our history as a nation and to remove these pieces of it from immediate public eye makes it easier to forget, and if those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Men are both sides sides fought admirably Lee and Grant the most obvious examples. There were no true villains. There was most likely a portion that fought over slavery but the civil war was and still is a complex debate over what exactly started it. It's dangerous to begin this. It may not be striking the names and events from history, but it has the potential to become that over manipulated. I find it best to err on the side of caution and defend the rights of people to have pride in their questionable heritage, to look up to confederate figures and whatever they may want. I may find their ideal abhorrent and disgusting, but I will spill blood fighting for their right to preserve its history.
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