@@bull_technology the support agent (since you HAVE to start a chat to cancel) used the fee to argue it would be best for me to keep the plan until it was up for renewal then cancel, and offered some months free if I continued... Ignore that it would auto-renew with no warning if I forget
Be careful. Even if your card is locked they will find a way to get the money anyway. I had to scream at the bank because of that. Not with Adobe, but another company. I’m just saying. From then on, I use a prepaid card for subscriptions.
A subscription fee for a software tool is a joke. For someone who wants to edit photos a few times a year it's a total rip off. Imagine if you had to pay a monthly subscription fee to use a hammer or a screwdriver or a drill.
Glad more people are saying it. The subscription fees feel like a grudge purchase because its mostly way to expensive. How is it that a company like microsoft with all its really useful tools is far more affordable than adobe. ? This is my gripe. I will never accept that. Then lets not start talking about adobe competitors, they have equally confusing offers. Sooner or later a better option will arrive and when it does there will be no forgiveness.
In some cases it’s alright, for example, I’m an Artist and I prefer to use Clip Studio Paint and since it’s only €20 a year (yes, a year), it was basically a no brainer.
EVERYWHERE companies are moving to monthly subscriptions instead of selling you something outright. `I will NOT become a Monthly Mug - this guy is spot on.
@@david_escalante But $59 a month forever is going to be more than buying outright before long, and when you stop paying, it's gone, nothing to show for it.
It’s a monthly flatfrate for those companies. I understand it’s more valuable then selling a product once, but Adobe had always those super high prices even for hobbyist, so luckily I never got into it. Charging a cancel fee is probably the biggest scum move I’ve seen so far from a company lol
If adobe think taking people intellectual property(artwork) for free is legal, then taking adobe intellectual property(software) for free is also legal.
Whats funny about this is that their claim of ownership might get them sued. If an artist does work for a client while using Adobe, and the client owns the copyright for the final product, then adobe will be stealing from an individual or business that does not have a contract with Adobe.
Piracy or anyway of circumventing or breaking the laws are morally incorrect. That said, specific circumstances make those acts understandable, sometimes justifiable (more and more in those times where Big Tech companies initiate a trend to fu** up consumers even many small companies adopted). And in some cases, it's just a natural behavior from consumers in the game of who's dumber. The scum who came up with abusive terms and/or marketing or the consumers who just stopped letting them taking them for fools.
@@bull_technology Pirating Adobe software is very f***ing stupid as all you are doing is reinforcing the software market share and subsequent demand for Adobe trained creatives for (insert your pirated Adobe product/s) thus keeping their software relevant and the "industry standard". Pirated copies of Adobe Photoshop got into this situation by exactly this path! The far better option for the longer term (though not possible for every creative) is to support/develop and use FOSS/OSS wherever possible in your creative production pipeline. If this means throwing the developers a cup of coffee or more every so often then... I dropped Autodesk products to all open source over 16 yrs ago after they killed off Softimage and completely destroy my work pipeline thus forcing me to use 3D Max or Maya. I switched to Blender 3D and although it was hard at first the decision is fast proving to be the best creative software decision I have ever made in the longer term. The Blender Foundation has shown what can be done when creatives support a project such as FOSS. Blender has earned support from large corporations like Nvidia, Intel, AMD and Dell to name a few. Also their user support groups are probably the best for any software. Given another 5 yrs or so Blender may well take top spot away from AD's suite of tools. Ultimately though...people are stupid!
The more morally correct thing IMO is not to touch their products, because even if you are not paying them, you are still using their products and anything made by you will always be an advertisement for their software and that will minimize the development of alternatives which is gonna keep their monopoly alive. This is the reason why Photoshop has become a verb since most people pirate it instead of using an alternative even if they are only using less 10% of what it can do. Most people don't pay adobe, but Adobe still has manged to make a monopoly for this exact reason. If people don't stop using their products, their monopoly would never end, doesn't matter if you pay for it or pirate it.
I’ve been wanting to cancel for a few months, but if i cancel now, i will have to pay a $95 cancellation fee. Now I’m trying to cancel on the next billing cycle, but that won’t be until March. It’s like i’m stuck in hell with Adobe until then.
If people stopped giving Adobe money, and donated a fraction of that money to GIMP, Krita, and Inkscape, we'd have world class Open Source alternatives that everyone can use, and no company could take away from us.
But companies will barely use Blender. Despite it is better than Maya in so many situations. They just do not want to rely on open source sofware. And they don't care how good it is. 🤷🏻♂️ There is this paradigm that you need software support and someone offical who you can call to tell you something is not possible. 🫣
I refuse to use "software as a service" for simple practical reasons; I don't know what my financial situation may be in the future, and if I had to cancel the subscription then any files I've created with it become useless. It means I have to pay what amounts to a ransom to unlock the data I created in the past. That just is not acceptable to me.
This is the old problem of buying something "lifetime" and run a 486 in 2024 because you can't update your Windows 95 machine as new OS won't support the old software anymore, or have to pay a subscription. If you work daily with something, and buy a license every year, paying a subscription is the same as buying a license every year in the end. I worked with Blender because could not afford Maya; then when my company paid for it, I used Maya.
good thing is psd and ai documents can be opened with practically every photomanip program and vector based program because of how spread adobe stuff is.
To that, add... - Push ads for unrelated products from the same company - Every option you found to disable unwanted crap is re-enabled with the next update - Push distractions in "productivity" software. And you've got Microsoft!
The loading screens on Adobe products are ridiculous. I use a LOT of programs and literally all of them load faster. Even the dinky programs made by one dude in a basement load faster than something made by a company as large as Adobe? How?
Dear Adobe, You guys suck. I haven't used any of my Adobe Creative Cloud apps in a few months, so I got on a chat (very quickly with a real person, so points for that) and asked about putting my subscription on pause for a while, because I'd like obviously like to eliminate needless spending. "No, we don't do that. But if you do cancel, there's no reactivation fee if you change your mind." "OK, but what about all of my files on the cloud?" "If you don't reactivate after 30 days, they'll be permanently deleted." That's pretty standard, so I'm okay with that. All I have to do is download my content from the cloud, back it up to my RAID server, then cancel the service. I have a lot of content up on the cloud - a lot of 4k video, project proposal videos, product demo videos, status update videos, and crane videos, as well as logos and flyers for my trivia side gig. Some of this stuff goes all the way back to the first incarnation of my podcast, which ended right about when the pandemic started. That's a LOT of content, so I figured I'd start the download before bed, and see where it is the next morning. It was at this point that I discovered what a slimy, manipulative, and underhanded company Adobe is. The catch is - they've DISABLED ALL METHODS of downloading more than one file from the cloud at once. If you select more than one file, the Download button turns grey. You have to download your years and gigabytes of data ONE FILE AT A TIME. Click a file, click download, wait for it to download, click another file, click download, wait for it to download, lather, rinse, repeat... And they know damn well that it's not cost-effective for me (or anyone else) to use potentially billable hours to sit and download all this stuff file-by-file. So either I keep forking over $XX a month for software I'm not using, or I waste DAYS getting all of MY content down onto MY system. In essence, they're holding my content hostage!! They also don't even offer a "Cloud Storage Only" plan that I could use just to keep my content there. I'd have to subscribe to Adobe Express, their least powerful creative tool. It *is* only $10 a month, but when things are tight... things are tight!!! But it just gets better and better!!! That $10-a-month plan? Well, it's actually a little cheaper than that. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BUY A YEAR AT A TIME FOR $120!!!!! Have I mentioned that things are tight right now??? In closing: Adobe, you guys suck.
@@bull_technology thanks. This morning, I filled out a formal complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. I realize there's a suit already underway, but more evidence can't hurt. New subscriber. Thanks!
@@frauditorsubslickboots For most of my content, such as my raw audio/video/graphics, yes, of course I have local and offsite backups. (I mean, I had to create it locally before I uploaded it to the cloud. I certainly wouldn't delete it.) To explain, let's say I want to do something in Adobe Illustrator. I can do whatever I want, and save it locally (and backed up) as an .ai source file to have and to hold forever and ever until death do us part. If I cancel my subscription for a while then reactivate it, I still have my .ai file which I can open and reuse, modify, whatever. Suits me fine. I'm not very talented in graphic arts, so I also do a lot of work with Adobe Express. It lets me create really nice-looking graphics and videos fairly quickly. The catch, though, is that once you've completed the project, you can only download the export of the final product (the PNG, JPG, PDF, or MP4) which I always do. (How else would I use it for anything?) The issue is that there's no way to save the source files. They have it, they keep it, and they won't let you have it. And unless you constantly maintain your cloud subscription, all of those source files go away after 30 days, and you're left with a bunch of pictures and videos that you can't modify. The only thing to do is start over. Maybe that's the price of convenience? I guess in Adobe's mind it's a good way to keep revenue flowing. But it sure feels like they're holding my content hostage. JMHO. If you have a better suggestion, please feel free.
@@frauditorsubslickboots Not sure where my reply went, but the gist is that youcan't download the source. Only the result. So if you end your subscription and want to make changes, you have to start over.
I urge everyone to not use adobe products. Not even to pirate them. The less the industry relies on them the sooner correct changes will be made. I've been loving using the Affinity suite and Davinci resolve for video work. Short of Adobe being the industry standard they're just better products, less prone to crashes too
This is why competition is important. Eventually more and more people will move over to a competitor and Adobe will be forced to treat their customers fairly again.
Totally agree, using pirate products doesn't really bother big companies as long as their products are the most used in every PC becoming the "standard di facto"
Doesn’t help that Adobe is “industry standard” and taught in literally every school. I also remember my lecturers saying that if we didn’t have a legitimate copy of the softwear we couldn’t enter our work into competitions because they’d know from the meta data that you weren’t using a legit version, while at the same time offering NO ALTERNATIVE.
This is the real problem. If Adobe products weren't a requirement in companies and if they weren't being taught at schools, their dominance wouldn't be nearly as big.
Not sure why you used dogs to attempt to make a literary point. Dogs are low? Really. Since when. In what world? Perhaps coyotes or rats would have been more fitting.you may want to rethink your view on dogs. I hope you do.
@@nap871 "dog" is humankind's oldest extant insult to refer to someone of a lower social order. Even the ancient greeks used it, and it's still used today
@@pixelfodder Yeah, I prefer Canva, but I use Adobe Express because I'm already paying for it. But TBH, I'm getting used to it, and for what I use it for, it's adequate.
Right on target with Adobe. 1. I had a perpetual license for an Adobe suite which they purposely bricked during their initial cloud onslaught. I found a file that was used to brick my software and overwrote it with the original file and the software worked again. Real nice and ethical Adobe. 2. Affinity; I’ve been using affinity for several years and I am a very happy with it. My only concern is that Canva acquired the company earlier this year. I hope Canva does not ruin the ethos that Affinity fostered.
A lot of people don’t realise that when a product gets wrapped as a service, there’s another catch, that you are on the latest version and you have no choice. If the latest version breaks something that matters to you, TOUGH!!
@@ian_b yes, and then you’re left with an expensive dilemma. There’s also the malicious update issue to consider. I’ve heard of IP cameras that were promised lifetime support suddenly being a subscription, and the Sonos bricking scandal, Tesla’s supercharging, GMs heated seats and so on. Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take everything they can.
Imagine the future… Adobe decides to double or even triple the monthly subscription fee… and there’s nothing you can do about it. This is why subscription software is a fucking con.
I took it one step further and didn't bother with adobe in the first place also, @@jal051 that's the scrotum-hold adobe has on the video/photographer job market, in looking for new employment I saw a videographer job and peeked out of curiosity, got sp50ked and ran a mile away when I saw that experience with adobe was a requirement and part of the job, it's the source of nightmares
@@JohnRWMarchant Same. I had 3D Studio Max since the 90's. I unwittingly became an Autodesk customer and stopped being a customer when they demanded I buy the software I owned again. It was hard but I kissed goodbye to Max and all my Adobe software. In the process I have save myself 10's of thousands of dollars by not giving in to blackmail.
Not really. I mean, adobe sinks tens of millions of dollars per year into software developer's salaries who write updates, patch vulnerabilities, create new features. I think Adobe's prices are ludicrous and I totally get (and agree with) the pushback, but the reality is that software and the systems it runs on requires a significant amount of maintenance. I'm not defending Adobe, I think their monopoly is problematic... but this idea that software as a subscription is wrong or that it is comparable to "renting a paintbrush" is incredibly short-sighted.
I was permanently banned from the Adobe community forum because of flagging a crashing bug in Illustrator. All IT staff is in the same office as moderators. No appeal possible, 100% gaslighting.
What was the bug? You just flagged it and was banned? I’m asking because there are lots of crash reports on forums, I wander why they singled you out. I legit trying to understand.
Even I, as an office worker who doesn't need graphic design tools, have suffered Adobe's bs. I needed to print a PDF, so I installed the lastest version of acrobat. The letters would always come out slanted for some reason. I thought it might have been a font compatibility issue (weird, since it was fking standard non italics Arial) so I looked for the "print as image" option... Disabled, only available for MacOS. The solution? I downloaded a 2010 version from the archive. Letters came out perfectly and the print as image option was available too
Cancelled plan 3 weeks ago. Deleted all adobe from laptop. Plan expired. Done with it. Next day get email saying “photoshop suspended”. Auto renew payment failed. Wtf are you doing adobie?
I refuse all forms of software as a service. It is one of the biggest scams in modern business. "Hey guyzzzzz we're giving you updates though.....don't you want constant updates?"
Back in the day, I made stuff for giant clients like COCA-COLA, PEPSI, HEINEKEN, CITIBANK, NIKE, SAMSUNG, BMW, and whole bunch of others, using Photoshop 5.5 which you can literally copy and paste on as many computers as you want. It doesn't even require an installation. If I could land such customers 20+ years ago with PS 5.5 which I STILL use sometimes, it proves that YOU DO NOT NEED the latest gimmick in order to be creative. Its the artist, not the tool. The tool certainly helps, but don't give the "modern versions" more credit than they deserve.
True. That's also the case for "inferior" products. You really don't need the latest gimmicks. If they really are useful they be added in your software anyway.
You're still using version 5.5 sometimes? Come on dude, you living in the 90s or what? That's BS if I've ever read any. Besides, there's a limit to "it's the artist, not the tool". Yeah, you don't need to have the latest version of PS to do great art, but it helps tremendously. Also, when it's your job, a new tool that allows you to do in 5 minutes what used to take 30 minutes makes a big difference. You should know that if you indeed worked for all those great companies.
I actually think Adobe has made a great software suite for “professionals” at a fair price. It used to cost between 1k - 1.5k for the basic creative suite and then you’d be forced to upgrade every 2 years because your clients were on the latest version and would never back save files. Plus, you only got a few programs for that cost. Now, you can get access to all programs for about 350 bucks paying for the year upfront. Multiply that times multiple computers and you’re saving thousands. Not to mention that back in the day the money was worth 3x what it’s worth now. So that makes it even better a deal.
I read somewhat recently that Adobe doesn't care about individual people pirating their "products" because they make so much from business licenses/contracts that it doesn't matter. See how long that lasts now that so many companies are realizing how bottom of the barrel Adobe is.
You can’t say they don’t care. It’s good for them to keep a big community around their products. If old users start to learn other software new users will start from other software too (tutorials, recommendations etc.). That’s why it’s good for them that 90% of users choose Photoshop for example. If it would be not possible to use it for free it wasn’t so popular. You can start learning with cracked software. But in the future companies will buy what’s popular so it can recruit people more easily. That’s why companies don’t use free Gimp for example. Almost nobody knows it.
As a teacher at a British International school, my situation is a bit different from those professionals who have been using Adobe's applications for creating and publishing artwork and articles and so on. Still, I might have something of interest to say: Like "Bull Technology" who makes this UA-cam channel I felt insulted when Adobe switched to the subscription model. I decided that from now and on I would - as much as possible - only teach free apps. I went for GIMP instead of Photoshop and Inkscape instead of Illustrator. When it comes to video editing, I realised that Blender can do the job apart from all other stuff it can do. On a related note, I also would have liked to throw out everything Microsoft replacing it with Linux as platform and LibreOffice instead of Word-Excel-PowerPoint and database, but that would have upset the routines for the rest of the school outside of computing teaching. With Blender - great free tool by the way - and GIMP and Inkscape I have done what I can at my school to set the kids, my computer teacher colleague and myself free. I would recommend these apps to anyone else out there as well. Also, again, don't forget about Linux and LibreOffice. Hugs to everyone who loves software freedom from a Swedish guy teaching computing in China.
Thanks for this video, I was seconds from starting my subscription with Adobe, but this video popped up just before that happened and I’m happy for that. You’re a real one 🤝
The problem is that adobe products are industry standard. You cant get a job without knowing them because mass people use their products only. You become irrelevant and also cross platform project collaboration is tedious. Their own product ecosystem also works like apple. You have to use adobe products to cross link files.
True, I'm a digital arts student who has to rely on Illustrator, Photoshop and Maya and its tough dealing with cross compatibility. There's also the scary idea that I'd have to keep myself afloat once my tuition no longer supports me using those softwares.
That's so true. In old good days I was still able to install the software I liked to use on the company's computer. Now, it is not possible. And I have to stay in the office sometimes for long hours to finish a project as I don't have these softwares on my home computer. It really sucks. Not to mention some other software is so much better.
My high school animation class is using Adobe. Fortunately the school is paying for it, unfortunately, I can't exactly do my own things on adobe cause I lose access when the class ends...
Freehand, flash, authorware and fireworks were amazing. Macromedia had better web technology and were in a position to dominate. Massive fail selling to Adobe.
So if you are under NDA for a project you are working on who is legally liable when Adobe scrapes that confidential content? Using Adobe products is now potential legal liability for the user.
It wouldn't suprise me that the person using the adobe software were to be liable. In the end you agreed to adobes terms and therefore are aware of the possibilities. This would mean that You are breaching the NDA by using the software. then again this is just speculation
When CS6 was announced as the last Creative Suite, I bought it, thinking I would just own it. The problem is that Adobe had delayed their 64-Bit transition longer than any other company out there, and once the CS6 sales had peaked, CC came and soon after, 64-Bit. Apple moved forward (I cannot blame them for this; all decent companies had done their 64-Bit transition years ago, under some pressure from Apple to keep things up to date), and I lost access to CS6. Since then, I have owned zero Adobe products. If they ever decide to release another versions of CS (not CC) and give all their CS6 customers a free upgrade, I would use it again. Under all other circumstances I will never touch Adobe products again in my life.
That was a major issue for me as well. I used CS3 for ages until Apple axed 32-Bit support several years ago, and this was my main driving factor in making the switch to Affinity.
It was clear that 64bit was being held back for their subscription service. It was a really sh1tty move from a garbage company. I used to do IT support for a graphic design department and Adobe software was about 95% of the problems I had to deal with, it was so buggy and really not what I would call pro level at all. From what I gather it is no different now, still full of bugs and now massively over priced too.
They were also slow to update to native versions for M1, that took some time, Bridge took ages. Give me a replacement for Bridge and Lightroom and I I’m out of there.
Both Adobe and Autodesk signed contracts with colleges so that their computers only use those products, and some classes even require students to buy their licenses. Of course they ended up bad, they're a near monopoly.
@@topy706 also davinci resolve pretty much has parity with Adobe Premiere. The only issue with resolve iirc is that it lacks integration with an adobe after effect or adobe audition equivalent. Not a huge loss though because after effects has been pretty much replaced by Nuke and Houdini
When I use Photoshop, I deny access to the internet. I saw it for the trap it is. Without connecting, I still have all my functions. I REFUSE to connect to the internet using THAT product.
I called Adobe and told them that I couldn’t pay the almost $70 a month subscription and the guy I spoke with lowered it to $29.99 a year for another year and told me to call again in a year and they would keep the price at $30 per month
Regarding ownership it's much worse: everything you *create* with 'rented' software you don't own either, because the moment you stop paying for the subscription, that's when you lose access to everything you made with that software. Yes, many other apps can open and import PSD, and AI files, but that's just because they reverse engineered Adobe's proprietary file formats and not by design.
bullshit, I anyone can open and ediit anything you make on any adobe software regardless if the creator still pay or not their software, you still own any files and assets, they dont dissapear, they are not locked from being open or edited, what the hell are you talking about?
@@david_escalanteThe point he is making, is that if the formats were not reverse engineered by others, the files will be practically locked, maybe you have the option to save them as a photo, a video or whatever, but then all that "editablity" will be lost, and you need to treat them as stock.
Adobe was the first company that rolled out software as a service, where you can no longer own it outright and have to rent it. Since then it’s proven to be a very lucrative business model that almost every other software company has jumped on that bandwagon.
Actually I believe CADD companies did it first. AutoCAD and Bentley had a subscription based model long before Adobe. Adobe just deepened the evil and polished it to a shine.
TechSmith is moving to that model with Camtasia and SnagIt. For right now, you can continue to use your existing license, but I'm sure that will go away soon.
Totally agree with video. UNFORTUNATELY, when you are a production shop that MUST accept art from customers, Adobe IS the ONLY possibility, as EVERYONE uses Adobe, and they ALL EXPECT for you to accommodate their submitting via ONLY Adobe created/compatible files. Else, we simply go out of business.
Wer es sich als Unternehmer leisten kann, sollte vielleicht mal einen Arbeitsplatz abscheiden, in eine eigenständige Firma ausgliedern, mit guter alternativer Software ausstatten und seine Dienstleistungen hier so bewerben: "Wir verwenden für unsere Dienstleistungen GARANTIERT keine Produkte von ADOBE." Da wird sicher das Interesse geweckt, warum das Unternehmen so handelt und man hat die Chance die fragwürdige Praxis von Adobe nach außen zu kommunizieren. Vielleicht erhalten sie sogar Aufträge, die zuvor am Haus vorüber gegangen sind.
@@benjaminloyd6056 Unfortunately, nothing sufficiently good for professional/production employment, especially when art files supplied by customer make extensive usage of Adobe specific features.
Fun fact: adobe switched to a subscription model not because it made more money, but because subscriptions are taxed different and it lowered their tax bill.
This certainly is a fun fact and thank you for sharing it! I'm not sure which is more disgusting though: switching to price gouge or switching for tax incentives.
@@bull_technology It's every company's obligation to its shareholders to try to minimise its tax burden while maximising its profit (legally). It's your responsibility as a customer to ditch companies that don't offer good value. There's also only one entity to blame for stupid tax incentives, and that's the government. If you want blame with names and surnames, you can blame the individuals who keep voting for big governments that love to tax and spend, who just won't leave people TF alone and will constantly burden them with silly regulations pulled out of their backsides.
@@chesshooligan1282 this is a legalistic approach. There is clearly a problem with the law, when you look at all of the unethical choices that have been made by companies simply trying to make the ‘best choices for their shareholders’
@@clipdump Yes, of course, we agree on that. The problem is with the arrogance of politicians, who think they know what's good for the consumer better than the consumer knows himself. Always tweaking things, can't leave people to make their own decisions in a free market. But ultimately the problem is with the people that vote for these politicians.
Pirated Adobe user here. A few years ago I tried RawTherapee, for commercial project. Haven’t used Lightroom ever since. Although, it is not perfect. First: RawTherapee has a-loooot of settings and option(specially for noise reduction), that LightRoom has simplified to one slider. So it is quite intimidating to new users. Second problem: you will need to find and import latest library of lens correction profiles into RT seperatly, because it is open source software.
moved away permanently from adobe products , my clients also agree with this they're in the process of moving away from these criminals as well. adobe will have fun training their ai with poisoned images i left in cloud.
It's interesting - so many of you claiming Adobe are 'criminals' - you do realise that is slander? - unless you can PROVE your claim is based on FACT. I presume if Adobe are the people you claim them to be, that their legal teams will be pursuing those they consider guilty of slander?
@@marsrii4372 The only best software made by Adobe is Adobe After Effects so it was worth pirating because there is no match for After Effects in the market. AE is a master piece.
Thanks for this, currently battling to cancel my "annual" subscriptions. Signed up on a deal to learn under the impression I can cancel anytime. Can't find contract details anywhere and to my knowledge there was no agreement to signing up to an annual subscription. Numerous calls to be hung up, emails that are returned as undeliverable. Total joke, just cancelled manually through paypal. Also to note payment increases which were never mentioned
This is the truth being spoken here. If you don't like what Adobe is doing, give them the boot. It's that simple. The only reason they get away with this is that people/organisations don't give them the boot. If every single customer gave them the boot, see how quickly they would change their tune!
The best thing about Adobe’s obscene greed is that it made other developers realise they could genuinely compete at last. Since then the alternatives have become many and excellent and they can all use perpetual licensing as a big plank of their advertising👍
I’d been thinking about stopping my photography suite subscription for quite some time, years even! Then I noticed the bad press they were receiving and decided to scrutinise my subscription further. Cut a long storey short, Adobe are now in my past for all the reasons you mention and some. I’m a happy Affinity combined with Davinci Res Studio (which i’ve used for some time) user bunny now, well for now!!
100% agreed! I voted with my wallet several years ago, stopped subscribing to Adobe and bought Affinity Photo, Publisher and Designer…easier to use and much cheaper!
I'm happy this is finally coming out, I covered these issues in an article years ago. I was a customer for decades but unsubbed years ago because they wree doing these things and worse already since many years, it's only becoming obvious to thee average user now.
Software subscriptions are like living with an abusive partner. Everyday you come home expecting peace and tranquility but there's another letter with a whole new set of demands from her lawyer telling you what you must agree to or else. People have to get it into their heads that you can walk away and go through the pain of divorce and kicking abusive "partners" to the curb. Everyone, please stop with the Stockholm syndrome and the Adobe problem goes away.
You own nothing and you're at their mercy. You could argue that you never own software, you always license it in today's world, but at least fully offline buy-once-use-forever software without forced cloud connectivity or subscriptions is quite close to "owning it".
I just read this exact comment on another video - I hope for your sake you are the same person who wrote and posted the other one or that would be rather ironic indeed! 😂
@@awlhunt For my sake? I've left the comment on may other videos, if someone copies it and posts it elsewhere more power to them. Not sure what you see as ironic or why you felt the need to make this comment. Do you work for Adobe?
9:57 I have been working on computers since the 386 processor days. I had clients that had very sensitive data on their networks. I was asked about them using cloud storage and even back then I asked, "If it is on the cloud, who will have access?" I could see this coming a mile away, I don't put anything important of mine on the cloud. I used to use Adobe products, but not any more.
Tried adobe products as a student last time and lost 100+ bucks because they only give u a 2 week window to cancel subscriptions. If you missed it u hv to pay 50% of remaining fees for “early termination”, which is kinda hilarious
I have quit the subscription. There are many alternatives: - Photoshop: Affinity photo, Gimp, CorelDRAW - Illustrator: Affinity design, CorelDRAW - After effects: Davinci resolve, Blender - Premiere: Finalcut Pro, KDEnlive - Media encoder: VLC (yes it has an included converter tool), ffmpeg The the entire remaining Adobe software is only gibberish in binary form.
Finally somebody calls it like it is. The problem is far far beyond just Adobe's garbage policy updates and the price they charge, it is also the fact that I've been using their apps for the past 5 years and I have seen VERY LITTLE changes for the better in Illustrator, Photoshop, or After Effects, in fact, I'm largely sure that I could even count the changes on my fingers. They've remained the exact same heaping pile of unoptimized garbage that they are, and year after year, all they've just added features that nobody asked for, or wants, when their app performs like dogshit, with existing features either being broken, or having stupid workflow. This has so many implications, Artists are more often than not limited by tools, and Adobe's complacency is leading to an industry that is limiting said artists from experimenting and trying out new things. I know that's a very strong statement, but take a look at the 3D side of things, the competition there is insane, and the kind of changes you get within one update renders the previous version obsolete simply because the new one is so goddamn useful.
This is further not helped by the fact that their take on AI is useless. The only AI feature I use is Generative Fill, and even that is limited to a paltry resolution of 1024x1024. They try to shove Generative features down your throat, but all you have to do is take a quick look at Figma's latest update to realize what AI features should look like
Indeed! I couldn't agree more. I was able to gain access to CC for a few months several years ago, and I was absolutely amazed at how utter broken and un-optimized Photoshop and Premier were. It's outrageous that Adobe will charge you $60 a month to use this software. Unreal. But thanks for the comment!
@@david_escalante This 'reply' appears to be a canned response to @BrennerProductions' comment. It is identical to another response on this page aimed at a disenchanted Adobe user.
Companies should get used to the idea of having their software pirated. Im sick of all this ceo entitlement that lets them think they can use our labor to train ai and have us pay for it.
The issue also is many companies/corporations demand the use of adobe products in their studios or offices because is "industry standard". Many times i had to work in a company with adobe products while suffering in rage as the management wouldn't trust on using other alternative softwares.
The alternatives are complete garbage and is going to turn any project into a hell since only you would know how to edit and progress some parts of the project with a software that is not compatible with anything else
Its not that easy in the perspective of some larger companies, and it depends on the field. I'd wager if you're a freelancer, or small business owner, or a student, its worth to look for alternatives. I've done so already, even after 15 years of experience in Photoshop. But if I have 150 people beneath me, that perspective changes. The reality is, in most fields, the basics will be carried over and you don't need too much to relearn a new program, but that's an "artist's skill" and thus hard to depend on as a business owner. Its not really that black-or-white. I commend Affinity for providing a 6 month tryout actually, as that's a pretty smart business choice for them that allows companies (or really, the ENTIRE creative business standard) to fiddle around with potential choices.
Krita - Inkscape - Shotcut is my main kit since I left Adobe behind, years ago. Also, not an Adobe alternative, but if you like pixel art, Aseprite is well worth the price.
I had no problem paying for it decades ago. But they made piracy completely justifiable now. Just like with UA-cam ads. I had no problem supporting the platform and/or creators by watching a 3 second autoskip ad on vids longer than 5 mins. But once it got out of hand, you couldn't pay me to give YT a second of my time or penny of my money.
Macromedia fireworks was great. Was still using it despite it being 15 years old until recently, where upgrading to windows 11 (a mistake) finally was too much for it to run. I have the full affinity suite now (I recommend the full suite over just photo alone, personally), and it's good and all, but fireworks was just so much more intuitive, and had everything I needed. Was a bummer when adobe bought them. Though speaking of affinity, I bought affinity designer, liked it enough that I wanted the suite, and their customer service being the absolute legends that they are, refunded me so I could buy the suite (to save having to buy one of the products twice). Didn't even need to ask them, they just offered it when I asked if there was an upgrade option. I'll always support companies that are customer friendly like that, for so long as they continue to be.
FOXIT PDF viewer is a great, FREE PDF viewer. You do not need Adobe. Adobe is guilty of SLAMMING unauthorized Credit Card charges. This is literally criminal behavior. Great video. Thanks.
I have never nor will I ever pay adobe a monthly subscription. They lost a good customer. Now I just continue to use my older version of adobe that I own and I use davinci for video editing.
I still use CS6 with Windows 11. For what I need, it still does the job. I never bothered with a subscription although had considered it a few times in the past. If I ever got back into needing newer versions, I now would not get a subscription and would instead choose an alternative product.
@@TheRimBrakeGuy Absolutely. I have one Windows 11 desktop computer, multiple Linux desktops, and dozens of Linux servers. For some things I find Windows useful. Edit to add: The best thing I ever did with my relatively unused MacBook 2015 was install Linux on it. Now I use it all the time.
Its just a shame that when Adobe went to subscription, the entire world couldn't band together and just refuse to subscribe. They would have been forced to backtrack. (sigh) People power only works when everyone is on board.
I just checked the stock price and Adobe keeps going up. Apparently Wall Street isn’t concerned about people leaving the creative suite for other software. They see potential future value in something else.
Maybe not that much are leaving, the few folks here and on other channels make no difference? Same story with Desktop-Linux idling at 4% for many years, while lots of Linux-nerd-channels try to tell you that "now" is the time. Not an Adobe fan, but lets face reality. Pirated Software calling home ? Turn off your internet connection, why one needs to be online 24/7 ? Affinity is not ready to read all that stuff Adobe files contain, missing features too. Which makes it nearly impossible for big companies to do a switch to whatever. Try to read a complex Illustrator file into Affinity Designer... or Inkscape. Symbols gone, Text gone names/layers gone, not that much of an alternative atm. And then, Affinity was bought by Canva. 99% sure they will pull out a subscription-crap for Affiinity. Companies are there to make money, not for producing good/cheap software. Similar for food-companies, or is everything in a supermarket healthy and cheap because they care so much about us ?
We need our own Sea Shanty, with plenty of "Yo Ho Ho's", and brandishing of cutlasses'. As I'm in the People's Republic of Britain, I'm expecting. My front door kicked in, within 3-2-1.......
Interesting video, it's the 5th I viewed in a row about pros and cons regarding Adobe in modern days. I used to use CS2 all the time back in the days. I'm the CCO/CTO for a few companies and in charge of selecting the tools for our designers, and I'm choosing to avoid Adobe. We have 50 to 70 workplaces that would use a variety of creative software and Adobe was on the list of choices to consider. Not anymore. Your video hit the last nail in the Adobe coffin. Thanks for taking the time to make this video and saving us a lot of money and frustration :)
8:35 you know to never trust a corporation like Adobe when their literal logo on the side of their buildings looks nearly identical to Abstergo Industries.
I don’t exactly get the “ADOBIE” joke, but it sure made me chuckle every time it popped up! And yup, 💯 they are A-holes. Like so many, I’m imprisoned by them atm but intend to escape asap, when my lively hood isn’t chained to them.
When I retired in 2018, I stopped using Adobe products. The subscription model is the reason why I stopped using their software. I even stopped using Reader & removed it from my Mac’s. I use Preview on the Mac to look at PDF’s.
Something I find annoying about adobe is how bloated their software is. It's clearly the same software just changed and made bulky. Especially photoshop. There's several other drawing programs ten times better, and it's because their program starts up immediately and does what it's suppose to do.
I'm now running 2 Windows 11 PC, at the same time. One connected to the Internet, a less powerfull one, and another NOT connected to the Internet. I do this to prevent EULAs modifications, and protect my personal files. I use a crude USB key to transfer files between the 2 computers, as needed. I do my work on the offline computer. I feel I have reclaimed control of that computer. No security patches are needed. No firewall, no antivirus. ENOUGH.
@@A0111. I don't think 1 PC makes you immune to all web-based attacks. Some crap might be able to mess with thev EUFI, bootloaders, BIOS, or just plain ENCRIPT all your hard drives and partitions, or some of them.
@@notremarchedelafin Just consider your PC as unreliable- all HDDs and SSDs can fail anytime. That's why backups exist (plus backups of backups). I have 1 pc with 2 os + VM as a sandbox + NAS with RAID (Never trust RAIDs) with autobackup to externall HDD & some cold backups (HDDs) in different houses in case of fire or theft. And don't forget that cold backups need to be refreshed to keep data from degradation over time.
@@A0111. I have backups too. HDDs do not suffer degradation over time due to lack of power. SSDs only. I prefer my setup over yours. I understand your standpoint. I considered it before going 2 PCs.
Unrelated to Adobe but relating to the same problem of greed, this reminds me of how internet subscription here in Egypt is not unlimited. If you subscribe for an offer, you have a freaking certain amount of Gigabytes to use, once you've used them your monthly subscription ends even if you're not even half-way in the middle of the month, and you have to pay again.
Everything is going with the subscription schemes from software to retail outlets to newsletters to charitable donations. Adobe may have gotten this guy's goat but it's the same with Microsoft (Office), Amazon (Prime), Google Workspace, Dollar Shave, BarkBox, Slack, Hello Fresh & on & on. Also Wall St does not punish this - it rewards it and has been financing almost anything with a subscription model.
Talk about bloat, I had no idea... I only had the adobe suite for Premiere and Photoshop and decided to change to Davinci, when I uninstall all the adobe sh*t I had on my PC suddenly I had an extra 300gb of storage
8:10 , For some reason the image got deleted quoting the terms of service. My apologies!
I thought it went all fuzzy with no text on purpose to make us pay attention...! :)
That cause you're not using Adobe
dude your insanely underrated
What did you replace Photoshop with? Gimp is terrible. Clip Studio is just as bad about privacy.
don't understand
When I cancelled Adobe suite and they forced the early cancellation fee at me I immediately blocked th card
Actual scumbag company
Unreal. And most users have no idea that, if they cancel, they'll have to pay a cancellation fee.
@@bull_technology the support agent (since you HAVE to start a chat to cancel) used the fee to argue it would be best for me to keep the plan until it was up for renewal then cancel, and offered some months free if I continued...
Ignore that it would auto-renew with no warning if I forget
Unreal, so they push you around and attempt to get you to stay STILL.
Be careful. Even if your card is locked they will find a way to get the money anyway. I had to scream at the bank because of that. Not with Adobe, but another company. I’m just saying. From then on, I use a prepaid card for subscriptions.
@@Nene-GoCubs I'd like to see them try, i live in Norway where consumer protection laws are incredibly strong thankfully
A subscription fee for a software tool is a joke. For someone who wants to edit photos a few times a year it's a total rip off. Imagine if you had to pay a monthly subscription fee to use a hammer or a screwdriver or a drill.
WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
Exactly. Software apps are tools. No uproar over SaaS was what allowed these big tech companies to ram it in on the scene.
Glad more people are saying it. The subscription fees feel like a grudge purchase because its mostly way to expensive. How is it that a company like microsoft with all its really useful tools is far more affordable than adobe. ? This is my gripe. I will never accept that. Then lets not start talking about adobe competitors, they have equally confusing offers. Sooner or later a better option will arrive and when it does there will be no forgiveness.
or a programming language💀
In some cases it’s alright, for example, I’m an Artist and I prefer to use Clip Studio Paint and since it’s only €20 a year (yes, a year), it was basically a no brainer.
EVERYWHERE companies are moving to monthly subscriptions instead of selling you something outright. `I will NOT become a Monthly Mug - this guy is spot on.
sorry but not everyone has $7,988, 59usd a month is WAY more accesible, i am sure even you have a calculator at hand and can make the math
@@david_escalante But $59 a month forever is going to be more than buying outright before long, and when you stop paying, it's gone, nothing to show for it.
It’s a monthly flatfrate for those companies. I understand it’s more valuable then selling a product once, but Adobe had always those super high prices even for hobbyist, so luckily I never got into it. Charging a cancel fee is probably the biggest scum move I’ve seen so far from a company lol
If adobe think taking people intellectual property(artwork) for free is legal, then taking adobe intellectual property(software) for free is also legal.
Uhm, it doesn't work like that because [insert legal but immoral reason here]
@@DeusAlfaiatereason here would not be legal, it would be because FTC is impotent, as is pretty much whole America, doing business with corporations
Whats funny about this is that their claim of ownership might get them sued.
If an artist does work for a client while using Adobe, and the client owns the copyright for the final product, then adobe will be stealing from an individual or business that does not have a contract with Adobe.
@@jaredroberge4418That would violate copyright. I think. Copyright laws are very weird.
i'm going to use this quote everywhewre now
pirating adobe products is morally correct
I would have to agree
Piracy or anyway of circumventing or breaking the laws are morally incorrect.
That said, specific circumstances make those acts understandable, sometimes justifiable (more and more in those times where Big Tech companies initiate a trend to fu** up consumers even many small companies adopted).
And in some cases, it's just a natural behavior from consumers in the game of who's dumber. The scum who came up with abusive terms and/or marketing or the consumers who just stopped letting them taking them for fools.
Is what I've done for years, just hate their ToS quite simply, if I even use them at all, even heard people pirate them whilst paying as well so....
@@bull_technology Pirating Adobe software is very f***ing stupid as all you are doing is reinforcing the software market share and subsequent demand for Adobe trained creatives for (insert your pirated Adobe product/s) thus keeping their software relevant and the "industry standard". Pirated copies of Adobe Photoshop got into this situation by exactly this path!
The far better option for the longer term (though not possible for every creative) is to support/develop and use FOSS/OSS wherever possible in your creative production pipeline. If this means throwing the developers a cup of coffee or more every so often then...
I dropped Autodesk products to all open source over 16 yrs ago after they killed off Softimage and completely destroy my work pipeline thus forcing me to use 3D Max or Maya. I switched to Blender 3D and although it was hard at first the decision is fast proving to be the best creative software decision I have ever made in the longer term.
The Blender Foundation has shown what can be done when creatives support a project such as FOSS. Blender has earned support from large corporations like Nvidia, Intel, AMD and Dell to name a few. Also their user support groups are probably the best for any software. Given another 5 yrs or so Blender may well take top spot away from AD's suite of tools.
Ultimately though...people are stupid!
The more morally correct thing IMO is not to touch their products, because even if you are not paying them, you are still using their products and anything made by you will always be an advertisement for their software and that will minimize the development of alternatives which is gonna keep their monopoly alive. This is the reason why Photoshop has become a verb since most people pirate it instead of using an alternative even if they are only using less 10% of what it can do. Most people don't pay adobe, but Adobe still has manged to make a monopoly for this exact reason. If people don't stop using their products, their monopoly would never end, doesn't matter if you pay for it or pirate it.
£54 cancellation fee! will never use Adobe again!
I’ve been wanting to cancel for a few months, but if i cancel now, i will have to pay a $95 cancellation fee. Now I’m trying to cancel on the next billing cycle, but that won’t be until March. It’s like i’m stuck in hell with Adobe until then.
Annual, paid monthly
US$59.99/mo
Fee applies if you cancel after 14 days.
is not even hidden in the EULA or TOS, is RIGHT THERE when you choose a plan
, maybe change your payment method to less less-usaard then just b,lock the card. It's a bit overkill but no money to Adobe
changed to DXO photolsb 7
So you get butt hurt because YOU entered into an agreement and then YOU broke it?
If people stopped giving Adobe money, and donated a fraction of that money to GIMP, Krita, and Inkscape, we'd have world class Open Source alternatives that everyone can use, and no company could take away from us.
Could I please throw in Blender and LibreOffice into that nice list that you put together?
But companies will barely use Blender. Despite it is better than Maya in so many situations. They just do not want to rely on open source sofware. And they don't care how good it is. 🤷🏻♂️ There is this paradigm that you need software support and someone offical who you can call to tell you something is not possible. 🫣
Fortunately, Blender is already the leading industry standard 3d modeling software, but as for libreoffice, I agree
@@user-ks1oh2wx6o It could. But big production studios avoid Blender. Despite it is incredible powerful. They still use Autodesk Maya and Houdini.
i do believe the people behind gimp are passionate, but jesus christ it is not fun to use
I refuse to use "software as a service" for simple practical reasons; I don't know what my financial situation may be in the future, and if I had to cancel the subscription then any files I've created with it become useless. It means I have to pay what amounts to a ransom to unlock the data I created in the past. That just is not acceptable to me.
This is the old problem of buying something "lifetime" and run a 486 in 2024 because you can't update your Windows 95 machine as new OS won't support the old software anymore, or have to pay a subscription.
If you work daily with something, and buy a license every year, paying a subscription is the same as buying a license every year in the end.
I worked with Blender because could not afford Maya; then when my company paid for it, I used Maya.
@@fcf8269 You can keep an old machine. I still have a Win98 machine for some old software to run on.
You are absolutely correct. This is ransom if you dont subscribe to their service. Never saw it from this perspective.
just learn to pirate
good thing is psd and ai documents can be opened with practically every photomanip program and vector based program because of how spread adobe stuff is.
I abandoned Adobe bloatware years ago. Best thing I ever ever did. Our organization replaced premier pro with Da Vinci Resolve now everyone is happy!
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
Well put I certainly couldn't agree more
they should call it renting, not buying
@@1AEGIS they call more like scamming not renting what a scumbag company i'm so happy to use krita as photoshop instead of their products
Yeah try that one in court.
@@KonglomeratYT court is bought by them
Make applications more stable, faster, improve performance ❌
Make useless AI, shuffle and rename items in context menu, add sloooow welcome screen ✅
Little bean capable nug ,. /
artificial updates just so they can say they have new updates
To that, add...
- Push ads for unrelated products from the same company
- Every option you found to disable unwanted crap is re-enabled with the next update
- Push distractions in "productivity" software.
And you've got Microsoft!
Seriously why is every piece of software getting slower? Its not just adobe. Booting minecraft used to be instant now it takes 30 seconds
The loading screens on Adobe products are ridiculous. I use a LOT of programs and literally all of them load faster. Even the dinky programs made by one dude in a basement load faster than something made by a company as large as Adobe? How?
Dear Adobe,
You guys suck.
I haven't used any of my Adobe Creative Cloud apps in a few months, so I got on a chat (very quickly with a real person, so points for that) and asked about putting my subscription on pause for a while, because I'd like obviously like to eliminate needless spending.
"No, we don't do that. But if you do cancel, there's no reactivation fee if you change your mind."
"OK, but what about all of my files on the cloud?"
"If you don't reactivate after 30 days, they'll be permanently deleted."
That's pretty standard, so I'm okay with that. All I have to do is download my content from the cloud, back it up to my RAID server, then cancel the service.
I have a lot of content up on the cloud - a lot of 4k video, project proposal videos, product demo videos, status update videos, and crane videos, as well as logos and flyers for my trivia side gig. Some of this stuff goes all the way back to the first incarnation of my podcast, which ended right about when the pandemic started. That's a LOT of content, so I figured I'd start the download before bed, and see where it is the next morning.
It was at this point that I discovered what a slimy, manipulative, and underhanded company Adobe is.
The catch is - they've DISABLED ALL METHODS of downloading more than one file from the cloud at once. If you select more than one file, the Download button turns grey.
You have to download your years and gigabytes of data ONE FILE AT A TIME. Click a file, click download, wait for it to download, click another file, click download, wait for it to download, lather, rinse, repeat...
And they know damn well that it's not cost-effective for me (or anyone else) to use potentially billable hours to sit and download all this stuff file-by-file.
So either I keep forking over $XX a month for software I'm not using, or I waste DAYS getting all of MY content down onto MY system. In essence, they're holding my content hostage!!
They also don't even offer a "Cloud Storage Only" plan that I could use just to keep my content there. I'd have to subscribe to Adobe Express, their least powerful creative tool. It *is* only $10 a month, but when things are tight... things are tight!!!
But it just gets better and better!!! That $10-a-month plan? Well, it's actually a little cheaper than that. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BUY A YEAR AT A TIME FOR $120!!!!!
Have I mentioned that things are tight right now???
In closing: Adobe, you guys suck.
Excellent summation here! Thanks for the insight 👍
@@bull_technology thanks.
This morning, I filled out a formal complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. I realize there's a suit already underway, but more evidence can't hurt.
New subscriber. Thanks!
So you don't back up locally? I presume that's Adobes fault too?
@@frauditorsubslickboots For most of my content, such as my raw audio/video/graphics, yes, of course I have local and offsite backups. (I mean, I had to create it locally before I uploaded it to the cloud. I certainly wouldn't delete it.)
To explain, let's say I want to do something in Adobe Illustrator. I can do whatever I want, and save it locally (and backed up) as an .ai source file to have and to hold forever and ever until death do us part. If I cancel my subscription for a while then reactivate it, I still have my .ai file which I can open and reuse, modify, whatever. Suits me fine.
I'm not very talented in graphic arts, so I also do a lot of work with Adobe Express. It lets me create really nice-looking graphics and videos fairly quickly. The catch, though, is that once you've completed the project, you can only download the export of the final product (the PNG, JPG, PDF, or MP4) which I always do. (How else would I use it for anything?) The issue is that there's no way to save the source files. They have it, they keep it, and they won't let you have it. And unless you constantly maintain your cloud subscription, all of those source files go away after 30 days, and you're left with a bunch of pictures and videos that you can't modify. The only thing to do is start over.
Maybe that's the price of convenience? I guess in Adobe's mind it's a good way to keep revenue flowing. But it sure feels like they're holding my content hostage. JMHO.
If you have a better suggestion, please feel free.
@@frauditorsubslickboots Not sure where my reply went, but the gist is that youcan't download the source. Only the result. So if you end your subscription and want to make changes, you have to start over.
I urge everyone to not use adobe products. Not even to pirate them. The less the industry relies on them the sooner correct changes will be made. I've been loving using the Affinity suite and Davinci resolve for video work. Short of Adobe being the industry standard they're just better products, less prone to crashes too
This is why competition is important. Eventually more and more people will move over to a competitor and Adobe will be forced to treat their customers fairly again.
Thanks for advising!
Going to give it a 1 year try out 🎉
I use DaVinci Resolve for video editing. I have never used Adobe PP or AE
Totally agree, using pirate products doesn't really bother big companies as long as their products are the most used in every PC becoming the "standard di facto"
Doesn’t help that Adobe is “industry standard” and taught in literally every school. I also remember my lecturers saying that if we didn’t have a legitimate copy of the softwear we couldn’t enter our work into competitions because they’d know from the meta data that you weren’t using a legit version, while at the same time offering NO ALTERNATIVE.
ironic enough that my university just straight up using a pirates copies of adobe Photoshop
@@G.A.C_Preserve many such cases
THIS
That's wild, is Adobe paying students tuition fees or something for college to demand such nuisance
This is the real problem. If Adobe products weren't a requirement in companies and if they weren't being taught at schools, their dominance wouldn't be nearly as big.
Saying they are lower than dogs is an insult to dogs….
Thank You…
Not sure why you used dogs to attempt to make a literary point. Dogs are low? Really. Since when. In what world? Perhaps coyotes or rats would have been more fitting.you may want to rethink your view on dogs. I hope you do.
@@nap871 "dog" is humankind's oldest extant insult to refer to someone of a lower social order. Even the ancient greeks used it, and it's still used today
I LOVE DOGGOS
@@nap871 You should be the one to advice people using bi*ch as a curse because it's worldwide use. Even in spanish
Artist: "Finally finished my work!"
Adobe: "You mean OUR work?
smug as hell company
Very wicked company
@@eugenekubak7857 the duality of man
*Plays the anthem of the union of the Soviet socialist republics*
Adobe have tried to buy Canva multiple times and after being rejected time and time again, they flat out copied them with Adobe Express.
Adobe Express is functional . But gets worse every time you open it.
@@pixelfodder Yeah, I prefer Canva, but I use Adobe Express because I'm already paying for it. But TBH, I'm getting used to it, and for what I use it for, it's adequate.
Right on target with Adobe.
1. I had a perpetual license for an Adobe suite which they purposely bricked during their initial cloud onslaught. I found a file that was used to brick my software and overwrote it with the original file and the software worked again. Real nice and ethical Adobe.
2. Affinity; I’ve been using affinity for several years and I am a very happy with it. My only concern is that Canva acquired the company earlier this year. I hope Canva does not ruin the ethos that Affinity fostered.
A lot of people don’t realise that when a product gets wrapped as a service, there’s another catch, that you are on the latest version and you have no choice. If the latest version breaks something that matters to you, TOUGH!!
What happened to the days when the purchase price for software represented owning a functional copy of the software code _as released?_
@@Stratelier simple really, GREED! You have to remember that some people get to the top because they _aren’t_ nice people.
Or maybe the new update won't work on your hardware.
@@ian_b yes, and then you’re left with an expensive dilemma. There’s also the malicious update issue to consider. I’ve heard of IP cameras that were promised lifetime support suddenly being a subscription, and the Sonos bricking scandal, Tesla’s supercharging, GMs heated seats and so on.
Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take everything they can.
You can install older versions of adobe software pretty easily
Imagine the future…
Adobe decides to double or even triple the monthly subscription fee… and there’s nothing you can do about it.
This is why subscription software is a fucking con.
Which is why you should never buy a subscription-based business-critical product.You basically sell a portion of your business to them.
......".and there's nothing you can do about it."... other then not give them your money and switch up to better product
This is why piracy is great
They can and will jack up and increase the Subscription fee, maybe show Ad's upon boot up - this applies to Netflix, Ama zon, Disney, etc, etc
“There’s nothing you can do”, you clearly don’t know how the free market works. YOU as the customer can give them a lesson by going with someone else.
They ruined so much with the greed...
Piracy is now more morally correct than ever.
Is also terribly cheap now, so, meh
Or you could just understand that great alternatives exist… You don’t have to rely on Adobe, pirated or not.
Please use alternative
I stopped using Adobe 6 years ago. Affinity and Davinci Resolve replaced them entirely for me.
I love the affinity suite.
It's more difficult when you work for print. Unfortunately most alternatives don't have proper support for CMYK.
I took it one step further and didn't bother with adobe in the first place
also, @@jal051 that's the scrotum-hold adobe has on the video/photographer job market, in looking for new employment I saw a videographer job and peeked out of curiosity, got sp50ked and ran a mile away when I saw that experience with adobe was a requirement and part of the job, it's the source of nightmares
Another scummy company is Autodesk.
And i stopped using them both some years ago.
@@JohnRWMarchant Same. I had 3D Studio Max since the 90's. I unwittingly became an Autodesk customer and stopped being a customer when they demanded I buy the software I owned again. It was hard but I kissed goodbye to Max and all my Adobe software. In the process I have save myself 10's of thousands of dollars by not giving in to blackmail.
if it starts with an a, don't use it
@@SjorsMasteryeah using Amogus isn't very good too
True. After you paid for the software and then you can’t use it after a year.
an “early cancellation fee” doesn’t even sound like something EA would be greedy enough to do, garbage company.
it’s like telling me as an artist they want me to rent their paintbrush
Not really. I mean, adobe sinks tens of millions of dollars per year into software developer's salaries who write updates, patch vulnerabilities, create new features. I think Adobe's prices are ludicrous and I totally get (and agree with) the pushback, but the reality is that software and the systems it runs on requires a significant amount of maintenance. I'm not defending Adobe, I think their monopoly is problematic... but this idea that software as a subscription is wrong or that it is comparable to "renting a paintbrush" is incredibly short-sighted.
@@CraigMarolf i respectfully disagree. It only costs tens of millions bc Adobe wants it that way.
@@CraigMarolfWhatever they are paying them it is way too much.
@@CraigMarolf "You will own nothing and be happy".
Or like i purchase a frying pan / gas stove from a shop to cook my food, and the shop owner invading my house anytime to take my food from me
I was permanently banned from the Adobe community forum because of flagging a crashing bug in Illustrator. All IT staff is in the same office as moderators. No appeal possible, 100% gaslighting.
lmao
What was the bug? You just flagged it and was banned? I’m asking because there are lots of crash reports on forums, I wander why they singled you out. I legit trying to understand.
That sounds worse than UA-cam!
lmao garbage company
The forums are full of people reporting bugs etc - why would they single YOU out - what did you say?
Never paid. Always torrented.
Even I, as an office worker who doesn't need graphic design tools, have suffered Adobe's bs. I needed to print a PDF, so I installed the lastest version of acrobat. The letters would always come out slanted for some reason. I thought it might have been a font compatibility issue (weird, since it was fking standard non italics Arial) so I looked for the "print as image" option... Disabled, only available for MacOS. The solution? I downloaded a 2010 version from the archive. Letters came out perfectly and the print as image option was available too
What the ACTUAL- 🤨😐🤦🏾♀️
Cancelled plan 3 weeks ago. Deleted all adobe from laptop. Plan expired. Done with it.
Next day get email saying “photoshop suspended”. Auto renew payment failed.
Wtf are you doing adobie?
Wow… Just wow. That's pretty unbelievable.
@@bull_technology Check out the comments on their Trustpilot page. Yikes.
They did the same to me. I had to call them to make sure they cancelled it and waited on the phone until I got a confirmation email.
@@Nene-GoCubs they start to remind me indian scam companies
This also happened to me. Thankfully, I used a payment solution that allowed me to block the merchants. I blocked Adobe.
I refuse all forms of software as a service. It is one of the biggest scams in modern business. "Hey guyzzzzz we're giving you updates though.....don't you want constant updates?"
After realizing that their buggy application codebase is from 90's. They are years behind.
yes but they are milking their position. executives dont care about code, they care about profits (at any cost)
Back in the day, I made stuff for giant clients like COCA-COLA, PEPSI, HEINEKEN, CITIBANK, NIKE, SAMSUNG, BMW, and whole bunch of others, using Photoshop 5.5 which you can literally copy and paste on as many computers as you want. It doesn't even require an installation. If I could land such customers 20+ years ago with PS 5.5 which I STILL use sometimes, it proves that YOU DO NOT NEED the latest gimmick in order to be creative. Its the artist, not the tool. The tool certainly helps, but don't give the "modern versions" more credit than they deserve.
True. That's also the case for "inferior" products. You really don't need the latest gimmicks. If they really are useful they be added in your software anyway.
I remember when I used to run all my software off a usb !
You're still using version 5.5 sometimes? Come on dude, you living in the 90s or what? That's BS if I've ever read any. Besides, there's a limit to "it's the artist, not the tool". Yeah, you don't need to have the latest version of PS to do great art, but it helps tremendously. Also, when it's your job, a new tool that allows you to do in 5 minutes what used to take 30 minutes makes a big difference. You should know that if you indeed worked for all those great companies.
@@FrankBrennosTheGreatest you have no idea what you’re talking about
@@frag0638 Yeah, it's not like it's my job... Oh wait!
I actually think Adobe has made a great software suite for “professionals” at a fair price. It used to cost between 1k - 1.5k for the basic creative suite and then you’d be forced to upgrade every 2 years because your clients were on the latest version and would never back save files. Plus, you only got a few programs for that cost. Now, you can get access to all programs for about 350 bucks paying for the year upfront. Multiply that times multiple computers and you’re saving thousands. Not to mention that back in the day the money was worth 3x what it’s worth now. So that makes it even better a deal.
Dont touch anything using "the cloud"
Totally agree. "Cloud" means "other peoples' computers."
Except video games, of course.
@@silvercord2694 i have an emulator for the atari 2600, NES, SNES and Sega Mastersystem, some games, apart from that not interested in games either
then go touch grass. even youtube is cloud based
@@jcreativity6792 yer i know it is, but none of my data goes there
Affinity, Final Cut Pro and Capture One got me away from Adobe forever
Final Cut Pro and Pixelmator for me - I am so happy after leaving adobe, now I have cheaper and better software
KDenlive, InkScape and OpenSuite are Worth enough
Davinci Resolve is waaaaay better then premiere. Capture one and Affinity suite for the win.
@@marsrii4372 the "for the win" lost me, chief
@@khaimk4r4su
"Chief" lost me, bucko. Big yikes.
I read somewhat recently that Adobe doesn't care about individual people pirating their "products" because they make so much from business licenses/contracts that it doesn't matter. See how long that lasts now that so many companies are realizing how bottom of the barrel Adobe is.
Read* can be pronounced as ‘red’ or ‘reed’ but are spelt the same. Maybe you used speech to text
@@garretreed9709 Oh I know, must have missed a letter while typing. Good shout though.
You can’t say they don’t care. It’s good for them to keep a big community around their products. If old users start to learn other software new users will start from other software too (tutorials, recommendations etc.). That’s why it’s good for them that 90% of users choose Photoshop for example. If it would be not possible to use it for free it wasn’t so popular. You can start learning with cracked software. But in the future companies will buy what’s popular so it can recruit people more easily. That’s why companies don’t use free Gimp for example. Almost nobody knows it.
@@solarydays Gimp is just example. And this is the reason why it’s so bad. Almost nobody use it.
@@phat80and because no one is going to lose their time on waiting on a bunch of nobodies with a "when we have time" attitude to eventually improve it
As a teacher at a British International school, my situation is a bit different from those professionals who have been using Adobe's applications for creating and publishing artwork and articles and so on. Still, I might have something of interest to say:
Like "Bull Technology" who makes this UA-cam channel I felt insulted when Adobe switched to the subscription model. I decided that from now and on I would - as much as possible - only teach free apps. I went for GIMP instead of Photoshop and Inkscape instead of Illustrator. When it comes to video editing, I realised that Blender can do the job apart from all other stuff it can do.
On a related note, I also would have liked to throw out everything Microsoft replacing it with Linux as platform and LibreOffice instead of Word-Excel-PowerPoint and database, but that would have upset the routines for the rest of the school outside of computing teaching.
With Blender - great free tool by the way - and GIMP and Inkscape I have done what I can at my school to set the kids, my computer teacher colleague and myself free. I would recommend these apps to anyone else out there as well. Also, again, don't forget about Linux and LibreOffice.
Hugs to everyone who loves software freedom from a Swedish guy teaching computing in China.
Hi am an animator and brought this expensive display tablet,I NEED TO ASK IS AI SOMETHING I SHOULD WORRY ABOUT?
Use Pixlr instead of Photoshop. It’s also free for education I believe.
@@salimadiyo9442Check your hardware specs. AI is usually embedded in applications.
Thanks for this video, I was seconds from starting my subscription with Adobe, but this video popped up just before that happened and I’m happy for that. You’re a real one 🤝
Hey thanks!
The problem is that adobe products are industry standard. You cant get a job without knowing them because mass people use their products only. You become irrelevant and also cross platform project collaboration is tedious. Their own product ecosystem also works like apple. You have to use adobe products to cross link files.
True, I'm a digital arts student who has to rely on Illustrator, Photoshop and Maya and its tough dealing with cross compatibility. There's also the scary idea that I'd have to keep myself afloat once my tuition no longer supports me using those softwares.
@@KH0LRA Use crack. Only way to save money till you make enough to pay their subscription
That's an attitude for sheep, or better yet, cattle, sent to slaughter.
That's so true. In old good days I was still able to install the software I liked to use on the company's computer. Now, it is not possible. And I have to stay in the office sometimes for long hours to finish a project as I don't have these softwares on my home computer. It really sucks. Not to mention some other software is so much better.
My high school animation class is using Adobe. Fortunately the school is paying for it, unfortunately, I can't exactly do my own things on adobe cause I lose access when the class ends...
Freehand, flash, authorware and fireworks were amazing. Macromedia had better web technology and were in a position to dominate. Massive fail selling to Adobe.
Greed
Big companies always buy innovators so they can absorb them or kill them off.
I liked Flash but adored Freehand, you could do so many things with it I never found how to use un any program from Adobe.
Pretty sure the people who made bank selling it don't see it as a fail.
@@misterwhyte nvidia would have made bank to if they sold 20 years ago. Look at them now.
I can't stop focusing on that typo...
Can’t believe they woudn’t take 5 minutes to fix it!
@@kingslaphappy1533 You guys need to take life a little easier, a lot to be honest..
@@Al-Hussainy agreed
So if you are under NDA for a project you are working on who is legally liable when Adobe scrapes that confidential content? Using Adobe products is now potential legal liability for the user.
correct.
It wouldn't suprise me that the person using the adobe software were to be liable. In the end you agreed to adobes terms and therefore are aware of the possibilities. This would mean that You are breaching the NDA by using the software.
then again this is just speculation
Use for Military and you will get stuffed on the audit.
When CS6 was announced as the last Creative Suite, I bought it, thinking I would just own it. The problem is that Adobe had delayed their 64-Bit transition longer than any other company out there, and once the CS6 sales had peaked, CC came and soon after, 64-Bit. Apple moved forward (I cannot blame them for this; all decent companies had done their 64-Bit transition years ago, under some pressure from Apple to keep things up to date), and I lost access to CS6. Since then, I have owned zero Adobe products. If they ever decide to release another versions of CS (not CC) and give all their CS6 customers a free upgrade, I would use it again. Under all other circumstances I will never touch Adobe products again in my life.
That was a major issue for me as well. I used CS3 for ages until Apple axed 32-Bit support several years ago, and this was my main driving factor in making the switch to Affinity.
It was clear that 64bit was being held back for their subscription service. It was a really sh1tty move from a garbage company. I used to do IT support for a graphic design department and Adobe software was about 95% of the problems I had to deal with, it was so buggy and really not what I would call pro level at all. From what I gather it is no different now, still full of bugs and now massively over priced too.
They were also slow to update to native versions for M1, that took some time, Bridge took ages. Give me a replacement for Bridge and Lightroom and I I’m out of there.
@@vha42 Unfortunately there are no direct replacements; each tool has its own workflow. I ended up with Capture One.
I really hate Adobe. This video deserves more views.
Both Adobe and Autodesk signed contracts with colleges so that their computers only use those products, and some classes even require students to buy their licenses. Of course they ended up bad, they're a near monopoly.
Nasty isn't it?
they are losing grip on their monopoly and they know it. affinity vs photoshop and illustrator and blender vs maya
@@topy706 also davinci resolve pretty much has parity with Adobe Premiere. The only issue with resolve iirc is that it lacks integration with an adobe after effect or adobe audition equivalent. Not a huge loss though because after effects has been pretty much replaced by Nuke and Houdini
What's weird....
Adobe, Microsoft and Google are being run by similar people...
Along with all the "Microsoft supporr" people calling everyone's grandma and relieving them of their life's savings.
the same smol hats that own Blkrak, Blakstone, Boeing, etc.
add Amazon to that list
That's why Indians aren't suitable for CEO.
Google mines all your uploaded and stored photos for AI
When I use Photoshop, I deny access to the internet. I saw it for the trap it is. Without connecting, I still have all my functions. I REFUSE to connect to the internet using THAT product.
Makes me feel so much better about keeping my cracked CS6 suite for all these years
@@ducodarling Me too! 🏴☠️
I love my CS6
Yup
That's why I sail the high seas.
LOL, reading between the lines here. Between the single line... you know what I mean.
@@MorningNapalmliterally everyone know what you mean
Aarrrrrrr! 🏴☠️😉
On a yacht?
Getintopc
YW
I called Adobe and told them that I couldn’t pay the almost $70 a month subscription and the guy I spoke with lowered it to $29.99 a year for another year and told me to call again in a year and they would keep the price at $30 per month
Regarding ownership it's much worse: everything you *create* with 'rented' software you don't own either, because the moment you stop paying for the subscription, that's when you lose access to everything you made with that software. Yes, many other apps can open and import PSD, and AI files, but that's just because they reverse engineered Adobe's proprietary file formats and not by design.
That's why you screen capture all your work.
bullshit, I anyone can open and ediit anything you make on any adobe software regardless if the creator still pay or not their software, you still own any files and assets, they dont dissapear, they are not locked from being open or edited, what the hell are you talking about?
@@david_escalanteThe point he is making, is that if the formats were not reverse engineered by others, the files will be practically locked, maybe you have the option to save them as a photo, a video or whatever, but then all that "editablity" will be lost, and you need to treat them as stock.
Adobe was the first company that rolled out software as a service, where you can no longer own it outright and have to rent it. Since then it’s proven to be a very lucrative business model that almost every other software company has jumped on that bandwagon.
Actually I believe CADD companies did it first. AutoCAD and Bentley had a subscription based model long before Adobe. Adobe just deepened the evil and polished it to a shine.
TechSmith is moving to that model with Camtasia and SnagIt. For right now, you can continue to use your existing license, but I'm sure that will go away soon.
Totally agree with video. UNFORTUNATELY, when you are a production shop that MUST accept art from customers, Adobe IS the ONLY possibility, as EVERYONE uses Adobe, and they ALL EXPECT for you to accommodate their submitting via ONLY Adobe created/compatible files. Else, we simply go out of business.
Wer es sich als Unternehmer leisten kann, sollte vielleicht mal einen Arbeitsplatz abscheiden, in eine eigenständige Firma ausgliedern, mit guter alternativer Software ausstatten und seine Dienstleistungen hier so bewerben: "Wir verwenden für unsere Dienstleistungen GARANTIERT keine Produkte von ADOBE."
Da wird sicher das Interesse geweckt, warum das Unternehmen so handelt und man hat die Chance die fragwürdige Praxis von Adobe nach außen zu kommunizieren. Vielleicht erhalten sie sogar Aufträge, die zuvor am Haus vorüber gegangen sind.
Can you run the files through a converter?
@@benjaminloyd6056 Unfortunately, nothing sufficiently good for professional/production employment, especially when art files supplied by customer make extensive usage of Adobe specific features.
Adobe should never have been allowed buying so many competitors!
They are doing reasonably well, but not quite on the level shown when you compare them to visual maps of food and drug corporate ownership
Especially Freehand from macromedia - Adobe was Cr3p compared to it in the 90's
FTC needs to take notice of this
@@qanon_qanon I miss Freehand. Still today, I miss it.
Fun fact: adobe switched to a subscription model not because it made more money, but because subscriptions are taxed different and it lowered their tax bill.
This certainly is a fun fact and thank you for sharing it! I'm not sure which is more disgusting though: switching to price gouge or switching for tax incentives.
They could've made subscriptions much cheaper though
@@bull_technology It's every company's obligation to its shareholders to try to minimise its tax burden while maximising its profit (legally). It's your responsibility as a customer to ditch companies that don't offer good value. There's also only one entity to blame for stupid tax incentives, and that's the government. If you want blame with names and surnames, you can blame the individuals who keep voting for big governments that love to tax and spend, who just won't leave people TF alone and will constantly burden them with silly regulations pulled out of their backsides.
@@chesshooligan1282 this is a legalistic approach. There is clearly a problem with the law, when you look at all of the unethical choices that have been made by companies simply trying to make the ‘best choices for their shareholders’
@@clipdump Yes, of course, we agree on that. The problem is with the arrogance of politicians, who think they know what's good for the consumer better than the consumer knows himself. Always tweaking things, can't leave people to make their own decisions in a free market. But ultimately the problem is with the people that vote for these politicians.
As a freelancer, I'm just begging someone to make a better version of Lightroom. Then I'm out.
DxO Photolab - you’re welcome 😂
Pirated Adobe user here. A few years ago I tried RawTherapee, for commercial project. Haven’t used Lightroom ever since.
Although, it is not perfect.
First: RawTherapee has a-loooot of settings and option(specially for noise reduction), that LightRoom has simplified to one slider. So it is quite intimidating to new users.
Second problem: you will need to find and import latest library of lens correction profiles into RT seperatly, because it is open source software.
Never had any issues with capture one myself
Try rawtherapee
moved away permanently from adobe products , my clients also agree with this they're in the process of moving away from these criminals as well. adobe will have fun training their ai with poisoned images i left in cloud.
Well played sir!
They will circumvent the poisoning eventually, so you just know
It's interesting - so many of you claiming Adobe are 'criminals' - you do realise that is slander? - unless you can PROVE your claim is based on FACT. I presume if Adobe are the people you claim them to be, that their legal teams will be pursuing those they consider guilty of slander?
adobe has been an awesome experience since I use pirated versions for the last 7 years.
Yeah, but Adobe soft sucks so bad it’s not even worth pirating.
@@marsrii4372 The only best software made by Adobe is Adobe After Effects so it was worth pirating because there is no match for After Effects in the market. AE is a master piece.
To be honest Adobe After Effects is a Jem. I'm an animator and I know what this software is capable of.
@@KarimMustansir sure, I loved after effects, but I can’t stand Adobe, so I had to look elsewhere.
I need my logo to be animated can you do it for me
Thanks for this, currently battling to cancel my "annual" subscriptions. Signed up on a deal to learn under the impression I can cancel anytime. Can't find contract details anywhere and to my knowledge there was no agreement to signing up to an annual subscription. Numerous calls to be hung up, emails that are returned as undeliverable. Total joke, just cancelled manually through paypal. Also to note payment increases which were never mentioned
This is the truth being spoken here.
If you don't like what Adobe is doing, give them the boot. It's that simple. The only reason they get away with this is that people/organisations don't give them the boot. If every single customer gave them the boot, see how quickly they would change their tune!
Absolutely--we need to vote with our wallets and say no to these sorts of business practices.
The best thing about Adobe’s obscene greed is that it made other developers realise they could genuinely compete at last. Since then the alternatives have become many and excellent and they can all use perpetual licensing as a big plank of their advertising👍
@@BigNat3000 Exactly!! Affinity have been doing just exactly that. I'm giving it a go myself.
I’d been thinking about stopping my photography suite subscription for quite some time, years even! Then I noticed the bad press they were receiving and decided to scrutinise my subscription further. Cut a long storey short, Adobe are now in my past for all the reasons you mention and some. I’m a happy Affinity combined with Davinci Res Studio (which i’ve used for some time) user bunny now, well for now!!
100% agreed! I voted with my wallet several years ago, stopped subscribing to Adobe and bought Affinity Photo, Publisher and Designer…easier to use and much cheaper!
I'm happy this is finally coming out, I covered these issues in an article years ago. I was a customer for decades but unsubbed years ago because they wree doing these things and worse already since many years, it's only becoming obvious to thee average user now.
Software subscriptions are like living with an abusive partner. Everyday you come home expecting peace and tranquility but there's another letter with a whole new set of demands from her lawyer telling you what you must agree to or else. People have to get it into their heads that you can walk away and go through the pain of divorce and kicking abusive "partners" to the curb.
Everyone, please stop with the Stockholm syndrome and the Adobe problem goes away.
You own nothing and you're at their mercy. You could argue that you never own software, you always license it in today's world, but at least fully offline buy-once-use-forever software without forced cloud connectivity or subscriptions is quite close to "owning it".
It’s like renting an apartment. Oh no
@@garretreed9709 Actually renters have some rights. People leasing a software license are quite an unprotected group.
I just read this exact comment on another video - I hope for your sake you are the same person who wrote and posted the other one or that would be rather ironic indeed! 😂
@@awlhunt For my sake? I've left the comment on may other videos, if someone copies it and posts it elsewhere more power to them. Not sure what you see as ironic or why you felt the need to make this comment. Do you work for Adobe?
Nobody actually gets to "own" software. It's more of a right-to-use. Doesn't excuse Adobe by any means, but this applies to all software.
9:57 I have been working on computers since the 386 processor days. I had clients that had very sensitive data on their networks. I was asked about them using cloud storage and even back then I asked, "If it is on the cloud, who will have access?" I could see this coming a mile away, I don't put anything important of mine on the cloud. I used to use Adobe products, but not any more.
🎯 That's exactly why I never used cloud storage. It's definitely convenient, but convenience can kill (a number of things).
Tried adobe products as a student last time and lost 100+ bucks because they only give u a 2 week window to cancel subscriptions. If you missed it u hv to pay 50% of remaining fees for “early termination”, which is kinda hilarious
Annual, paid monthly
US$59.99/mo
Fee applies if you cancel after 14 days.
is not even hidden in the EULA or TOS, is RIGHT THERE when you choose a plan
@@david_escalante shut the fuck up you said the same thing in 2 reply sections and defending some horrible company
I have quit the subscription. There are many alternatives:
- Photoshop: Affinity photo, Gimp, CorelDRAW
- Illustrator: Affinity design, CorelDRAW
- After effects: Davinci resolve, Blender
- Premiere: Finalcut Pro, KDEnlive
- Media encoder: VLC (yes it has an included converter tool), ffmpeg
The the entire remaining Adobe software is only gibberish in binary form.
In addition:
- InDesign: Affinity Publisher _(which can also open InDesign/IDML files!)._
Finally somebody calls it like it is. The problem is far far beyond just Adobe's garbage policy updates and the price they charge, it is also the fact that I've been using their apps for the past 5 years and I have seen VERY LITTLE changes for the better in Illustrator, Photoshop, or After Effects, in fact, I'm largely sure that I could even count the changes on my fingers.
They've remained the exact same heaping pile of unoptimized garbage that they are, and year after year, all they've just added features that nobody asked for, or wants, when their app performs like dogshit, with existing features either being broken, or having stupid workflow.
This has so many implications, Artists are more often than not limited by tools, and Adobe's complacency is leading to an industry that is limiting said artists from experimenting and trying out new things. I know that's a very strong statement, but take a look at the 3D side of things, the competition there is insane, and the kind of changes you get within one update renders the previous version obsolete simply because the new one is so goddamn useful.
This is further not helped by the fact that their take on AI is useless. The only AI feature I use is Generative Fill, and even that is limited to a paltry resolution of 1024x1024. They try to shove Generative features down your throat, but all you have to do is take a quick look at Figma's latest update to realize what AI features should look like
Indeed! I couldn't agree more. I was able to gain access to CC for a few months several years ago, and I was absolutely amazed at how utter broken and un-optimized Photoshop and Premier were. It's outrageous that Adobe will charge you $60 a month to use this software. Unreal.
But thanks for the comment!
I purchased and used Adobe software for years but never joined the subscription. I am still adamantly opposed to renting it and I won’t do it.
sorry but not everyone has $7,988, 59usd a month is WAY more accesible, i am sure even you have a calculator at hand and can make the math
@@david_escalante This 'reply' appears to be a canned response to @BrennerProductions' comment. It is identical to another response on this page aimed at a disenchanted Adobe user.
Companies should get used to the idea of having their software pirated. Im sick of all this ceo entitlement that lets them think they can use our labor to train ai and have us pay for it.
The issue also is many companies/corporations demand the use of adobe products in their studios or offices because is "industry standard".
Many times i had to work in a company with adobe products while suffering in rage as the management wouldn't trust on using other alternative softwares.
The alternatives are complete garbage and is going to turn any project into a hell since only you would know how to edit and progress some parts of the project with a software that is not compatible with anything else
If the output file is readable by Adobe, then why use Adobe?
Its not that easy in the perspective of some larger companies, and it depends on the field.
I'd wager if you're a freelancer, or small business owner, or a student, its worth to look for alternatives. I've done so already, even after 15 years of experience in Photoshop.
But if I have 150 people beneath me, that perspective changes. The reality is, in most fields, the basics will be carried over and you don't need too much to relearn a new program, but that's an "artist's skill" and thus hard to depend on as a business owner. Its not really that black-or-white.
I commend Affinity for providing a 6 month tryout actually, as that's a pretty smart business choice for them that allows companies (or really, the ENTIRE creative business standard) to fiddle around with potential choices.
They literally pay walled adobe spark. It use to be a good alternative for those who don't have money. Now you have to pay to even export an image.
This has been growing quietly for 30 years.
Dating myself but I was out on Dreamweaver when Adobe bought Macromedia!!!
Krita - Inkscape - Shotcut is my main kit since I left Adobe behind, years ago.
Also, not an Adobe alternative, but if you like pixel art, Aseprite is well worth the price.
I had no problem paying for it decades ago.
But they made piracy completely justifiable now.
Just like with UA-cam ads. I had no problem supporting the platform and/or creators by watching a 3 second autoskip ad on vids longer than 5 mins. But once it got out of hand, you couldn't pay me to give YT a second of my time or penny of my money.
I once got 20s unskipable ad on 15s meme video 🤦🏻♂️
@@definitelyhuman4510 Yeah YT is straight up taking its users for suckers. I don't have any guilt for having them blocked.
if something is subscription based, i will pirate it.
Macromedia fireworks was great. Was still using it despite it being 15 years old until recently, where upgrading to windows 11 (a mistake) finally was too much for it to run. I have the full affinity suite now (I recommend the full suite over just photo alone, personally), and it's good and all, but fireworks was just so much more intuitive, and had everything I needed. Was a bummer when adobe bought them. Though speaking of affinity, I bought affinity designer, liked it enough that I wanted the suite, and their customer service being the absolute legends that they are, refunded me so I could buy the suite (to save having to buy one of the products twice). Didn't even need to ask them, they just offered it when I asked if there was an upgrade option. I'll always support companies that are customer friendly like that, for so long as they continue to be.
FOXIT PDF viewer is a great, FREE PDF viewer. You do not need Adobe.
Adobe is guilty of SLAMMING unauthorized Credit Card charges. This is literally criminal behavior.
Great video. Thanks.
I have never nor will I ever pay adobe a monthly subscription. They lost a good customer. Now I just continue to use my older version of adobe that I own and I use davinci for video editing.
I still use CS6 with Windows 11. For what I need, it still does the job. I never bothered with a subscription although had considered it a few times in the past. If I ever got back into needing newer versions, I now would not get a subscription and would instead choose an alternative product.
windows 11....are you sure about your life choices?
@@TheRimBrakeGuy Absolutely. I have one Windows 11 desktop computer, multiple Linux desktops, and dozens of Linux servers. For some things I find Windows useful.
Edit to add: The best thing I ever did with my relatively unused MacBook 2015 was install Linux on it. Now I use it all the time.
Ofc you can even do everything with CS3 but alot of manual work needed
@@TheRimBrakeGuyare you sure about yours? Or are you a sheep that buys a new phone or laptop every year 😂
@@la6136 lol my 2018 laptop says hi, so is my 2020 phone..
Its just a shame that when Adobe went to subscription, the entire world couldn't band together and just refuse to subscribe. They would have been forced to backtrack. (sigh) People power only works when everyone is on board.
A friend I used to know told me that his torrent of Adobe always worked, as long as he didn't update it.
I just checked the stock price and Adobe keeps going up. Apparently Wall Street isn’t concerned about people leaving the creative suite for other software. They see potential future value in something else.
The money isn't made from individuals. Its from large companies with hundreds or thousands of subscriptions.
Maybe not that much are leaving, the few folks here and on other channels make no difference?
Same story with Desktop-Linux idling at 4% for many years, while lots of Linux-nerd-channels try to tell you that "now" is the time.
Not an Adobe fan, but lets face reality.
Pirated Software calling home ? Turn off your internet connection, why one needs to be online 24/7 ?
Affinity is not ready to read all that stuff Adobe files contain, missing features too. Which makes it nearly impossible for big companies to do a switch to whatever.
Try to read a complex Illustrator file into Affinity Designer... or Inkscape. Symbols gone, Text gone names/layers gone, not that much of an alternative atm.
And then, Affinity was bought by Canva. 99% sure they will pull out a subscription-crap for Affiinity.
Companies are there to make money, not for producing good/cheap software.
Similar for food-companies, or is everything in a supermarket healthy and cheap because they care so much about us ?
greedy decisions = can drive profits up = "investors" come in (just a fancy word for greedy bastards wanting more money)
It's the Emperor's New Clothes. Shareholders believe the AI hype.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 what’s interesting is that, unlike unity 3d, they don’t seem concerned about the backlash from customers
We're a band of vicious pirates!
A sailin´ out to sea.
When you hear our gentle singing...
You'll be sure to turn and flee!
We need our own Sea Shanty, with plenty of "Yo Ho Ho's", and brandishing of cutlasses'. As I'm in the People's Republic of Britain, I'm expecting. My front door kicked in, within 3-2-1.......
Interesting video, it's the 5th I viewed in a row about pros and cons regarding Adobe in modern days. I used to use CS2 all the time back in the days. I'm the CCO/CTO for a few companies and in charge of selecting the tools for our designers, and I'm choosing to avoid Adobe. We have 50 to 70 workplaces that would use a variety of creative software and Adobe was on the list of choices to consider. Not anymore. Your video hit the last nail in the Adobe coffin.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video and saving us a lot of money and frustration :)
8:35 you know to never trust a corporation like Adobe when their literal logo on the side of their buildings looks nearly identical to Abstergo Industries.
I don’t exactly get the “ADOBIE” joke, but it sure made me chuckle every time it popped up!
And yup, 💯 they are A-holes. Like so many, I’m imprisoned by them atm but intend to escape asap, when my lively hood isn’t chained to them.
When I retired in 2018, I stopped using Adobe products. The subscription model is the reason why I stopped using their software.
I even stopped using Reader
& removed it from my Mac’s. I use Preview on the Mac to look at PDF’s.
glad i got out of using adobe decades ago , been happily using freeware stuff like krita , kdenlive , blender etc
Krita is a lovely program, and great for hand drawn animation.
Krita and Blender are soooo good! They run super well on linux
Something I find annoying about adobe is how bloated their software is. It's clearly the same software just changed and made bulky. Especially photoshop. There's several other drawing programs ten times better, and it's because their program starts up immediately and does what it's suppose to do.
I'm now running 2 Windows 11 PC, at the same time. One connected to the Internet, a less powerfull one, and another NOT connected to the Internet. I do this to prevent EULAs modifications, and protect my personal files. I use a crude USB key to transfer files between the 2 computers, as needed.
I do my work on the offline computer. I feel I have reclaimed control of that computer. No security patches are needed. No firewall, no antivirus. ENOUGH.
well done !
Or 1 PC with 2 OS
Or 1 PC with 1 OS and a Virtual Machine
@@A0111. I don't think 1 PC makes you immune to all web-based attacks. Some crap might be able to mess with thev EUFI, bootloaders, BIOS, or just plain ENCRIPT all your hard drives and partitions, or some of them.
@@notremarchedelafin Just consider your PC as unreliable- all HDDs and SSDs can fail anytime. That's why backups exist (plus backups of backups).
I have 1 pc with 2 os + VM as a sandbox + NAS with RAID (Never trust RAIDs) with autobackup to externall HDD & some cold backups (HDDs) in different houses in case of fire or theft.
And don't forget that cold backups need to be refreshed to keep data from degradation over time.
@@A0111. I have backups too. HDDs do not suffer degradation over time due to lack of power. SSDs only.
I prefer my setup over yours. I understand your standpoint. I considered it before going 2 PCs.
Thank god i started my video editing journey on Davinci Resolve
how is adobe stock up 21.4% in the past 30 days? Is the world oblivious
It's completely upside down isn't it?
Bisoots boosting fellow bisoots
value created for shareholders is not related to the points discussed in this video
Reading your comment, just, gives me an image of Montgomery Burns. Smiling, and saying "EXCELLENT"
Unrelated to Adobe but relating to the same problem of greed, this reminds me of how internet subscription here in Egypt is not unlimited. If you subscribe for an offer, you have a freaking certain amount of Gigabytes to use, once you've used them your monthly subscription ends even if you're not even half-way in the middle of the month, and you have to pay again.
That is what you see with so many corporations which are on the stock market: Profit and stock holders become more important than anything.
If corporations are persons, then public stock (and fiduciary duty) is slavery.
Adobe lost all my projects 3 months ago and I pay for cloud storage…
Well, at least you had your local backup.
Everything is going with the subscription schemes from software to retail outlets to newsletters to charitable donations. Adobe may have gotten this guy's goat but it's the same with Microsoft (Office), Amazon (Prime), Google Workspace, Dollar Shave, BarkBox, Slack, Hello Fresh & on & on.
Also Wall St does not punish this - it rewards it and has been financing almost anything with a subscription model.
Talk about bloat, I had no idea... I only had the adobe suite for Premiere and Photoshop and decided to change to Davinci, when I uninstall all the adobe sh*t I had on my PC suddenly I had an extra 300gb of storage
Unreal isn't it?