2JZ vs RB vs BARRA - Which is the best 6cylinder 2WD ? Drag Battle 2018
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- This episode of the 2018 Tuners Edge Drag Battle is the Hoontune 6 cylinder 2-wheel-drive class. There is no shortage of power in this class. The big question is who can use it the best.
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Hopefully the Barra get much more popular, and we see more bolt on parts.
Not bad for a heavy 4 door family sedan! And home grown...
BARRA POWER!
I'm seeing no one give props to the good old mang machine, shifting like a boss.
I know it was designed and built in Australia but Ford not bringing the falcon/barra to the US was a mistake.
TurboNFRStwoK Ford US didn't want a 6 outdoing their V8s
Ford Australia tried trust me. Ford Australia needed US backing more than anything else, hence why there are no Australian Ford made products anymore!
TurboNFRStwoK not a mistake.. it's not worthy enough to bring it to the states. we have better options then that Barra engine.
kris o like what? The LS engines?
We miss out on a lot of good engines and cars in the US. The rest of the world has better cars. Fuck the suvs and trucks. I would rather have a FPV
Ahh, the cliche Commodore driver in his Kmart Everlast pants.
Intro is way too long.
without sponsers stuff like this wouldnt happen, dont be ungreatful ya mug
joseph small I'm not ungrateful but i do work in the media industry and that text crawls and sponser banners are way too long. You can shorten them up by a second or 2 easy. But I guess it is UA-cam so you can just skip it.
Just very long for short format platform
Jacob McCarty I agree
hahahahaha As I read this it just kept going.
The intro is way worth the dislike I left on this video. FeelsGoodMan
Gotta love ol mate in the mangboat wearing everlast trackies
That first fg build is insane 👌 smoking every gear and still driving straight as a nail 🤘
i came here for the barra not anything else
Relatable.
Yep
Jimmi Johnson any dickhead can own a skyline in Australia
Yeah same lmao
Came here for the 2jz
All 3 engines are beastly, however, there's no replacement for displacement in my opinion. The Barra is the winner for power and torque being that all it needs is a set of studs and a larger turbo to break 600BHP. If you build it out, it'll handle far more than that with ease.
I'm positive that's all the 2j needs too
And intercooler pipes so I found out lol
Na none will do 600 bhp with just a turbo and stud's. Add around 4 more mods
All a 2jz ge needs is a thicker headgasket, turbo manifold, big front mount intercooler, larger injectors, fuel pump and fuel rail+ 3.5 inch exhaust, and a big 6870 precision turbo for example. (It doesnt even need headstuds) and standalone engine management to make 800 rwhp which is close to 900 crank
@@lordoftherims436 that and a couple rotating assy upgrades to make absolute sure ol' Rodney doesn't come-a-knockin' when you're givin' it what-for for a good 7 and a half seconds... Same with most factory engines though if you go for reliable power.
pretty cool seeing an aussie built engine competing with some of the best 6 cylinder engines ever built nobody would of thought that a few years back
Considering it's a newer motor with more technology it would be sad if it wasn't even compared to a 4 cylinder
considering the Barra is also one of the best built 6 cylinder engines, it's not surprising
Generic HESH it's been around since like the 70's man.....
Matthew Allison With the barra it has changed alot, many variations they're were only two variations of the 2-JZ. Turbo and non-turbo...
And still using a near similar block to the 60s
💪2-JZ😎 GTE 👍
Barra motor hands down
Did you not watch the Jz spank the Barra put the pipe to your lips and light it up
The GM version
I agree, the sound of Barras are so much better imo and the performance out of them are insane, sure jz engines are known for being a powerhouse of a motor but they’re overrated i reckon
@@d3kiwi138 2jz over rated they spank the barra like its a toy grow up
@@definitionmedia1130 so I'm not allowed an opinion? get out of you mums bed and learn something new mate 🤣
Time to finish off my awd barra r34 sedan build for the next event
Luke James interesting more details please
Luke, if you can manage to squeeze awd in, I'll be impressed.
That's definitely what you need to make the best of the big torque the Barra puts out.
Do they even make a 4x4 barra??? Fitting that to a 4 wheel drivetrain is not going to be easy if not.
4wd teritory
Thanks motive I wish we had more action like this in NZ
Dude the barra is frickin epic in my opinion one of the best motors out of Aussie I'm in NZ and you can pick one up for qauter the price of a rb-2jz and has way more potential and to be tuned on stock ecu sheez that's a whole nother level right there.
This was cool but I'd love to see a breakdown of the engines like your manual gearbox vid
top work Andrew!
the barra is beast they are all fantastic
what would every choose to put in a gq patrol a rb25det or the barra turbo
That wagon is awesome! Looks like a real handful to drive that thing.
All very nice engines! Used to drive a supra, also own a 90s GTR. But for me its still the GT-R, much more versatile than the straight loving only Sup. So its engine, the high revving RB26 will still be my choice.
I’ve lived in Japan, and when I did that’s when I realized I’ve been driving the wrong car. The Gtr there is huuuge! It’s like a whole different culture. From events, to damn expensive parts. It’s like the Gtr blood line is their national performance car there. Well, we have to thank its legendary records and feats in motorsports, its the most succesful Japanese sportscar on that category. That’s where the true hype came from. Oh.. and back there, they definitely know what they’re doing. They know where to tickle the RB26 and its Attesa ets. But, having said that, that’s one of the things I don’t like about the Gtr.. they’re freaking expensive from parts, engine, etc. But I also love the Supra, its 3L engine, it’s raw rwd fun, cheaper parts. I can still remember its like driving a Gtr on wet roads. Haha! Fun car too.
What about the 4.8L Nissan TB48DE found in the Nissan Patrol? These things are making monster power in sand rail in the middle east.
Barra turbo any day. Easy power, heaps more torque and very versatile engine. Can cruise at 1200rpm sitting on 110km/h all day without breaking a sweat. And when u need too, hit the pedal and let the torque do the talking.
Stock form rb n 2jz has no chance against a barra, (maybe even tuned).
If ford can put a barra turbo into a 4wd chasis and loose about 200kg. It will be the ultimate performance car.
What about reliability cuz I'm thinking of getting an xr6 tell me about its reliability
@@samalton5529
I have a Barra n/a myself. My bro had 2 turbo (modified), my other bro had a typhoon (modified too).
And mine has done 300k n still haven't missed a beat. Just a service once a year n she runs super smooth n still plenty of go.
My other 2 bro engines are holding up just as well. But their's done alot less km.
So reliability is excellent for me personally.
@@vuongnguyen3891 I heard the engine is good but the transmission is trash on them a mechanic told me so idk tbh
@@samalton5529
The gear box itself it's not bad, rarely U hear a blown gearbox for the barra, unless ur pumping out 500-600hp+ than U need to get it toughen. .but the 6speed zf gearbox does have a selanoid issue being burned out at around 150k-250k.
Due to its ecu being right next to the engine block.
Out of the box zf 6 will handle 500hp all day without issues.
U can buy a after market transmission cooler n place it in front of car next to radiator to help the cooling.. n gearbox will last.
As for the 5/6 speed manual in the turbos. The Barra just produces too much torque and will chew through Ur clutch like a hungry dog.
Drivable, but U just can't hoon it too much.
@@vuongnguyen3891 interesting bro I'll actually keep it in mind and do some research and get test drives cuz bro I'm interested in this vehicle very much and thanks for your help you sped up half of the process thanks for ur help and time bro appreciate it ❤️❤️
How you guys pushing me to tune up my GTR33 already been spending over 80k on the red RB26 but still not working well even over few bottom block engines been changed and turbos been wasting planning for street vision and still not working what to do with engine 😓
Hoontune F6 revs to 8500 on the stock cast ford crank and trapped 160+mph on its first past at a strip turned down
Lovely how that modern F6 cruises the 1/4th mile relying on its traction control and electronic throttle, goes 10s without effort. Looks like this track is all about grip and control, not so much pure power. Also really nice to see the Silvia with the 2JZ do so well, has again all to do with grip and control I guess.
seems to be piss all traction there so i definitely agree
that green s14 just glided through that 1/4 mile so effortlessly
because it doesnt use some shitty powerglide piece of shit
@@SleepyTM1 powerglides are built for 1000+HP, don't blame some innocent person using a 2 speed auto so they can control the revs safely
got my 2009 fg xr6 190kms for 5k is that good does anyone know its in mint condition no scratches everything fine only things wrong would be inside aircon vent grill snapped and headlights have that fog stuff you can remove yourself at home lol :O did i get a good deal ?
cool feature, yeah coota is hard, I had a crack 4 years ago and could only manage an 11.3 @ 144 in an FG barra that at the time ran low 10s.
big MPH, would have been a good et if it hooked up
Jeeze do they not allow any track prep? A little bit of vht added to the burnout section would make a world of difference.
it's a shame the Barra is stuck with a heavy Chasis, that motor is way too good for the Falcon
The reason the Barra is so good is because its stuck with a heavy chassis. They made the engine bigger and built to have lots of torque to pull the heavy car
well the rb30 block as the foundation of most fast rb cars came in the vl and patrol both fking heavy. also the newer 2js that people stroke out come in big luxury sedans. those big sixes all come in shit platforms. also hawkins has been watching too much 1320, its a 2 jay zed not a zee
the engine is perfect for the Falcon. 10s with bare minimum mods in a 1600kg car. it was literally made for it lol
All of them came in boats. RB powered R-chassis, JZA80 Supras and Aristos, and Barra Falcons/Territories were all overweight tubs of lard from stock. Still all insanely quick 1,400-1,600 kg cars
how is it too good for the car...considering Ford australia developed the engine for the exact car it powers...its not like it was shoehorned into the falcon
Rb sounds the best, barra probably most stout and 2jz probably best overall.
If the falcon was made in a lighter Coupé model
It would shit on EVERYTHING hands down
Buy coupe, Barra swap
@@lvpo8866 plus some grippy tyres, instant recipe for chopping everything for fuck-all money 😉
barra is Fords best kept secert
Bryan Safie I was going to tell
You how to spell secert but I can’t be bovvered.
What's the song at the 7:12 mark?
Supra has so much power it ripped its' own suspension off lol
love the ford barra but that pintara wagon with the powerglide , man the powerglides are wicked auto, and tuff reliable autos
Hello, Chassis?
So many haltechs and so many not taking advantage of boost by gear. Unless they purposely wanted to blaze first to third. Track looks super slippery. 1000hp cars getting 300hp quarters haha.
Most of these cars only have 2-3 gears and the Ford's have standard computers.
brendonv101 you go back on Google and keep reading about cars you shit face
Adrian Nava please do elaborate as to what you mean by that. I don't have to google about cars, I know them quite well but thank you for your consideration.
jeepn, the Ford has a 6speed ZF auto box
brendonv101 Very true indeed!
Power of a fighter jet + handling of a sail yacht = entertainment 👍
you guys do know that throttle modulation is a thing right?
Are there any fwd cars racing at this event?
probably not with those engines
That guy in the Skyline Wagon was just embarrassing
Wheres the a to b tunes at
Does it really make traction when you smoke tires in the race ?
no that's just them losing traction on a shit surface. on a proper drag strip you wouldn't be seeing tyre smoke half way down the track. all these cars would be getting way better times too
well anytime tires smoke, you are suppose to ease the throttle to get better time . This spinning goes against racing habits , it looses traction. even in drag racing.
Yall definitely got some of the best fabricators in the world and build some fast shit!.!. Was running a radial tire one of the rules? If not why not run run a slick and bring some weight to move around in the cars definitely would have helped out
Both good 🙌, not really a debate,just depends on the car
1200hp F6 ran a best of 12.5, pretty much the same et as my BOGSTOCK F6..
What’s the point ?
Built for the strip with radials and a prepped surface not a dusty runway. The thing runs easy 8s I'd assume lol
You obviously dont know anything about racing mate 🤭🤣 so please.
Lmao no idea,,,
Barra in a supra
HEY LOOK!! It’s a 2JZ-GTE IN A FUCKING CAR THAT IT ACTUALLY CAME IN!
nothing beats the sounds of that RB 😍😍
I love my 650rwhp 1000Nm G6E so much fun
i like this !
by 2023 I wanna Import a Barra.
They make great boat anchors, old heavy cast iron junk
Going with the 2j on this one, it's the only 6cyl i know powering a car into the 5s on a quarter. Easy to make power on, along with the RB and Barra obviously. And somewhat reliable in most cases. Huge aftermarket as well. I think RBs sound the best though
You are missing one small thing, the Barra is confined to Australia. If the Barra had been sold by Ford in the US, and sold into Japan and Europe like the 2J was, which meant it had hundreds of millions more spent on R&D and after market products like has gone into the other 2, you dont think it would be doing everything they were? Seriously?
The Barra can be very reliable when it isn't being thrashed
It's not about horse power, grip is the name of the game in no prep
Woooow! Did that Supra break an Axel at the finish?????
Whats the length off this track?
They race same as dragstrip. Quarter mile
@@MotiveVideo Mint, I'm hoping to join soon :P
Barra rules
BARRAAAAAAA
better tyres and detune to 600. no point having all the power if you cant do anything with it.
or 2 step it like mad xD
Why leave out the N54?
probably because there wasn't one at the drag battle.
Because they didn't want to get shown up 😂
Amen when it comes to 6s merc did well on this one.
I searched barra & came across a lot of sleepers 😨 and a 5second dodge with a barra conversation
Lol I remember my VS used to feel like a boat after 150 km/h. I can't imagine what it would feel like at 200+ Crazy!
a ship?
That 3.8 echotec is sure to get dazza's 25r to him on time even with VB cans in da boot bruv!
Wow nice channel! HEllo from USA!
They all need their tuners to set up traction control then they will be sweet. Easy to setup in modern ecu
That hoontune f6 gave me a stiff dog and I'm ok with that
How the fuck did they retain a ZF box?? Magicians at H00nTune.
Zfs are well known for being good stuff I think rolls royce use them and land rover. Because there is heaps of high powered Ford's the market had been there for companies to upgrade the stuff inside still probably the better part of a 10k gear box but can drive it day to day no worries
there's even sub 10s falcons with the BA 4 speed in em, some still use a factory ZF too. from what i've read they're pretty solid gearboxes already
I would assume the Barra makes more TQ at lower rpms compared to the 2JZ, which might make it more fun on the street. True or no?
My barra is making 1050 torque with 420rwkw so yeah fun for the street
I get 549nm at 4100rpm, basic turbo converted xt with china turbo.
@@boganba2945 pretty good ngl for something that has a Turbo from ding ding land
Barra all day every day🇦🇺💪
Pretty sad seeing wonderful cars of this calibre not being able to put power down absolutely no hope.
Not much use having all that power if you can't steer.
Maybe change set ups and drivers
I wanna see a Barra+2JZ+RB30 Hybrid Block like how they combined a 2J and a RB together
2:25 when a drag race turns into a powerskid.
What about the german i6's? More particularly, the m52 and n54?
Pretty sure they are racing on asphalt... Concrete can hold way more power.. I'd like to see these cars on a better track, that has a little prep on it.😊
and that vs 3.8 v6 lexen great
2jzpower
lets get this straight , 2 performance cars vs a 4door family car if the 2 door coupes didnt out perform the barra it would be utterly embarrassing
All the Aussie boys out there know that it's the barra #BarraTheWorld #ABarraIsWhatA2jzWantsToBe
Stock the Barra would have to be the best hell built 2bs/2js sometimes only make 400-500rwhp but if we're talking heavily modified then they're all about the same. Jeez what the actual fuck is that wagon driver doing 🤦♂️
No surprise a 2J was the quickest, but the fact that it was a manual transmission supra gave me a shock
you don't even have to watch it to know the jz and rb dominate,the barra is all down low touching into midrange.to much crank tq then add boost tq onto that it becomes a skid car.il take a little tank that will rev with low crank tq and take all the boost tq you can throw at it,that is why the jz is a wepon.i do get it but the barra is cheap as chips throw a snail on push it till it pops just grab another 1.the supra is the highway king and the gtr is its sargent at arms.good effort to all that have a crack
Barra is my favorite but all 3 of these are monster engines!
2.08 is it just me or did anyone else see all that grey-max silicon hang out of the rocker cover
That r31 wagon is a hearse rather than a sleeper.
Most of these cars should be doing single digits/150mph+ easily on a proper prepped track - you can't really tell anything at all about any of these cars here other than how well the driver can control the insane amounts of wheel spin all of them are getting, it's a total waste of time. Is there no proper drag strip around or something?
i was thinking that, if i was there i'd probably just stop running after a few goes
It is a street based event to show what cars are capable of without the ideal track conditions on the strip.
Plenty of these cars running 7s and 8s on the strip, but this is completely different.
Ben MacKerras seems a bit pointless though, my car can match most of the times here on the street with around half the power.
Matthew Sharpe these are the rwd cars. The 4wd are still running 8s on this surface. All for good fun. Can never have too much fun.
That supra at the end tho
fuck that intro got me good
will a barra fit under the hoodline in a A80? I feel like it is a perfect high performance troll.
it's a pretty tall engine in comparison i guess you could try look up engine bay dimensions of falcons and supras and look at some photos of falcon engine bays to get a tiny idea. i reckon it'd be sitting pretty low if you wanted to get it under the stock bonnet
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hopefully this helps 👍
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@@EerieBetrayalyou can put a barra in a for escort a supra a skyline,they make way to much crank tq its still going to be a skid car,even boost buy gear,it just doesn't work,loads of crank tq and then boost tq just doesn't work its been tried before on other motors that have loads of crank tq.bad combination,and the barras have shit top end,thats not hating that's just facts
@@2jzking181 all i heard was 'blah blah blah, i'm a dirty tramp'
#BARRATheWorld
Watch that taxi meter flick over like a stopwatch.
i think, people should take into account,the 2 japanese cars were designed to be hi performance sports cars,the ford was just a family car, i wonder how the other 2 would go with a 2and a half ton caravan being towed behind, i know the ford will pull it!!
They all good in there own way
Barra for life!
The skyline is converted to rwd why
Mr- T just so you know not all Skylines are all wheel drive Nissan did release rear wheel drive Skylines
Barra all day
RBs for sound , Barra for power , 2jz for .........
6:06 DAFUQ?