RB30 vs 2JZ Which is the Better Block and Why? - Mythbusted

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    In Part 2 of Platinum Tech we compare the RB30 and 2JZ engine blocks to see which one is better, and more importantly why. Platinum Racing Products have an array of tests they can perform on a block.
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  • @chrisg4rr377
    @chrisg4rr377 5 років тому +1444

    My mate fitted a RB head on to a 2J block and fitted it in his civic. Now his VTEC kicks in at 11000rpm. He told me the other night in the pub. I was well impressed

    • @martinbruce6713
      @martinbruce6713 5 років тому +213

      4 turbos and 2 superchargers

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects 5 років тому +77

      No joke, have you seen SupraSport's custom billet JZ head that utilizes dual VVT-i from the beams motor and Vtec solenoids for variable lift?

    • @BUZDRIFT
      @BUZDRIFT 5 років тому +20

      Yeah thats some crazy shit... Haven't seen one installed just the front cut out

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects 5 років тому +2

      @@BUZDRIFT Same here. I hope someone test it out. I remember their pricing was on part with a fully built head so it wasn't like it wasn't over priced.

    • @k_tec_tuning
      @k_tec_tuning 5 років тому +34

      Is this the same one that has the Lamborghini exhaust?

  • @755hp
    @755hp 5 років тому +762

    2JZ - Goku
    RB - Vegeta
    This is the truth - but I respect them both.

  • @coolslc
    @coolslc 5 років тому +161

    So Jesse was right, the 2JZ does decimate all! 🍻

    • @27walker27
      @27walker27 4 роки тому +1

      apart from they started with an 2jge haha

    • @timkatselas6948
      @timkatselas6948 4 роки тому

      ahahahahahahah

    • @Jpgundarun
      @Jpgundarun 3 роки тому +25

      Yes, but only after you put 15 grand of overnight parts from Japan in it.

    • @Nemoticon
      @Nemoticon 3 роки тому +9

      Not really, considering the term 'decimation' is to destroy 1 in 10 as the prefix of the word suggests. The 2JZ doesn't decimate the competion, it 'annihilates' them. This is why Jessie didn't make it into MiT, lol

    • @evelynbadger2507
      @evelynbadger2507 3 роки тому +2

      It can handle more pressure than Lebron James.

  • @Jarlefinken
    @Jarlefinken 5 років тому +45

    Another great video:) Even as an RB fan, its no question after seeing this that the 2JZ block is far better engineered and superior in almost all areas. Both thicker in the important areas and 23% lighter. Hats off to the Toyota engineers from the 80/90s.

    • @Paci_Fist
      @Paci_Fist 2 роки тому

      Но рб перегреть тяжело, а джей легко

    • @King36XX
      @King36XX Рік тому +2

      @@Paci_Fist not true at all. Rbs have all types of oiling issues among many others. Never had a jz overheat on me even in the dead of traffic on kill or on one of my chill tunes. I've been building them and around those and 7ms for the better part of 27 years

    • @Paci_Fist
      @Paci_Fist Рік тому

      @@King36XX и что теперь? Я тоже занимаюсь автомобилями 20 лет, это что-то доказывает?

  • @Kropotkin2000
    @Kropotkin2000 4 роки тому +141

    Imagine what you could do with that engine using overnight parts from Japan.

    • @adampandit4326
      @adampandit4326 3 роки тому +3

      @matt rardin no shit

    • @kumstane8128
      @kumstane8128 3 роки тому +5

      I mean Hector's running spoon engines so...

    • @aaronsanchezz
      @aaronsanchezz 2 роки тому +2

      Ya i could spend $100,000 for it lol

    • @agrobison3386
      @agrobison3386 2 роки тому

      If and only if you also throw about 10 grand at it too.

    • @Darkour97
      @Darkour97 2 роки тому

      Hey guys we can put it on the tab at Harry's

  • @T1000AX
    @T1000AX 5 років тому +366

    2jz is quite genius, having bores Siamese makes the block shorter, stronger, lighter, which makes the crank shorter and less prone to flex. 2jz is a little tank.

    • @benjaminsword9907
      @benjaminsword9907 5 років тому +16

      T1000AX proper engineering mate!

    • @mikamika9781
      @mikamika9781 5 років тому +1

      not really,
      older engines already had that especially i6 and V12

    • @SoulTouchMusic93
      @SoulTouchMusic93 5 років тому +3

      Don't chevy engines have the same thing?

    • @mikamika9781
      @mikamika9781 5 років тому +1

      @@SoulTouchMusic93 In small block I think yes

    • @eaglefat9398
      @eaglefat9398 5 років тому +21

      @@mikamika9781 yea the 400 cubic inch/ 6.5L small block chevy back in the 70's had a siamese bores(it got a bad name because morons were bolting the wrong head on them without steam ports so they would overheat) but with the right heads dirt track guys were building those engine to 700hp at 8,500rpm and screaming them for the entire race.

  • @spankeyfish
    @spankeyfish 5 років тому +13

    6:14 "You might as well grab a micrometer." Pulls out digital calipers, lol.

  • @gthomas1421
    @gthomas1421 5 років тому +265

    Barra and BMW I6 would be awesome. Please consider keeping this video series going. Very cool.

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 5 років тому +8

      +

    • @midgrave
      @midgrave 5 років тому +11

      What about Mercedes m104

    • @samsonian
      @samsonian 5 років тому +3

      Good lord fellas; what do you have against this poor bloke’s back suggesting a comparo between a Barra and a Merc block?! If you start doing them I’ll make sure to list a couple tank engines or locomotives...**chuckling**

    • @gthomas1421
      @gthomas1421 5 років тому +13

      Honestly I’d like to see evaluations and comparisons between oem blocks of all kinds. I find it fascinating.

    • @WifeBTR123
      @WifeBTR123 5 років тому +1

      Totally agree this w ou ud be a friggin amazing series! Great video

  • @jrbuch
    @jrbuch 5 років тому +31

    Very informative, thankyou for putting this together - you learn something new every day!

  • @freakasis
    @freakasis 5 років тому +10

    2:33 FYI, the flow rate of tubes does not double with a doubled diameter; it's related to cross sectional area, which is way more than 2x.
    Cross sectional area:
    RB = 3.14*[(7.97mm/2)^2] = 50mm^2
    2J = 3.14*[(15.5mm/2)^2)] = 189mm^2

  • @ItalianStallionLouie
    @ItalianStallionLouie 5 років тому +3

    Thanks again for another great video. Unbelievable the quality and by far my favorite information channel

  • @gav240z
    @gav240z 5 років тому +173

    I love these videos, good to see facts used to bolster the argument. As much as I'm a Nissan fan, I have to admit the 2JZ is better made product.

  • @kylecameron9772
    @kylecameron9772 5 років тому +248

    This is solid information, thanks for the videos.
    And can we please get a comparison of the Gallo 12 vs Gallo 24 blocks next?

  • @alltheboost5363
    @alltheboost5363 5 років тому +72

    Well damn I really wanted to be on the side of the RB but the 2j's got it beat in every way.

    • @hermanurriola138
      @hermanurriola138 5 років тому +5

      we still love RB's.... love working on them too lol

    • @Lead_Foot
      @Lead_Foot 5 років тому +10

      RBs are just older. They're even based on the old L series from the 240z.

    • @dankweed5049
      @dankweed5049 4 роки тому +1

      Lies

    • @AmaAndZing
      @AmaAndZing 4 роки тому +6

      @@dankweed5049 fanboys be like

    • @Nemoticon
      @Nemoticon 3 роки тому +4

      The 2JZ might beat the RB in all these tests and comparisons... but in context and all things considered, the RB is still an incredible, world class engine design. Two fantastic Inline 6s that are only seperated at the very top where peeps are pushing silly HP figures.

  • @aaronbryan5095
    @aaronbryan5095 5 років тому +1

    I can't thank you enough for making this type of videos, it's awesome!

  • @xanderdad5898
    @xanderdad5898 4 роки тому

    Great analytical approach, it's always great to see guys in their field. Respectively being objective about their test and letting the info speak for itself. Now we know.

  • @CalebBaker500
    @CalebBaker500 5 років тому +12

    Thank you for the extremely informative videos recently. Not only this one but previous videos as well. Now the nerds and engineers like me understand the why of the 2JZ being so much stronger other than just its namesake.

  • @villalazalejandro
    @villalazalejandro 4 роки тому +62

    2JZ is indeed an over engineered engine, stock was around 300hp yet it can stand a 1000hp or more, RBs are are still awesome but what make it shine is the platform Nissan made for it

    • @tonyrage2400
      @tonyrage2400 4 роки тому

      Fantastic, literally what the video just explained

    • @negativeindustrial
      @negativeindustrial 4 роки тому +5

      Absolute fact. I’m a Toyota guy (ST-205 GT4 and SW20 Turbo) but the R32-34 are objectively better sports cars than MKIII-MKIV Supras.

    • @negativeindustrial
      @negativeindustrial 4 роки тому +1

      CockYaLegS
      I fucking love mine. It has WRC electronics and turbo (with factory water/meth and anti-lag).
      GTRs just handle so much better than Supras but if you’re trying to go fast and relatively straight, there is no substitute for a MKIV TT 6spd

    • @p4yat0t
      @p4yat0t 3 роки тому +2

      @@negativeindustrial It's true the R32-34 chassis are true sports cars, the Supra is more of a grand tourer / street cruiser than the angry animal that is the GTR. The Supra in the JGTC series didn't even run a 2JZ because it was too heavy, they ran a 4-cyl turbo, their WRC engine (4T-GTE), so basically it just looked like the Supra you'd see on a street since race cars are completely gutted, these "Supras" won some championships, but the Skylines dominated the whole decade without being too different from the street versions.
      The A80 Supra has its niche though being as wide as an SUV (seriously) an engine capable of 800hp+ w/ stock internals to go really fast in a straight line. Plus can't beat rear wheel drive. I can confirm the A80 doesn't really handle well by today's standard (feels like a boat) as I daily one, its pleasant to drive w/ power on tap if you need it. I can't see myself daily driving a R32-34 w/o going to jail, I would be doing time attacks to the grocery store and to work.

    • @negativeindustrial
      @negativeindustrial 3 роки тому

      @@p4yat0t
      The JGTC Supras used Toyota’s 503e engine which is a race version of the 3S-GTE used in the Celica GT4 and MR2 Turbo. But, yeah, totally agree.

  • @xagtrpo83351
    @xagtrpo83351 5 років тому +1

    Really enjoying these in depth vids mate. I'm an old school muscle car fan, enjoy building my own engines from dinosaur blocks that finished production almost 4 decades ago so this definitely tickles my horsepower bone. Keep up the great work :-D

  • @darius9521
    @darius9521 5 років тому +1

    Liked before watched! These two episodes had the most interesting information ever

  • @alvinchan7746
    @alvinchan7746 5 років тому +7

    Man this channel deserves way more subscribers! Literally gets right into the meaty info unlike other channels.

  • @M3xiiii
    @M3xiiii 5 років тому +8

    Thanks to everyone for putting heaps of effort and time into these videos!

  • @jewelscoop3570
    @jewelscoop3570 5 років тому

    I like how in depth these videos are and how he’s teaching you as well.

  • @90slegends49
    @90slegends49 5 років тому +2

    Excellent job guys, really appreciate it.

  • @Legotruck82
    @Legotruck82 5 років тому +4

    I'm actually surprised PRP is so happy to share their findings, being as I can only imagine the test equipment and time taken was a substantial cost. Kudos. Thanks to Motive team for the work on the video too.

    • @MotiveVideo
      @MotiveVideo  5 років тому +7

      Legotruck82 thanks. We spent 3 days filling and ice sites at night and weekends to do these videos out of our own pocket. We looked far and wide for info like this online and couldn’t find any

    • @hermanurriola138
      @hermanurriola138 5 років тому +4

      There are no secrets at PRP, never has been, we do really care, and we do want to help, no one likes seeing someone have misfortune and go cold to building their dream on wheels :) thank you for the nice comments

  • @TheFridge
    @TheFridge 5 років тому +6

    Please keep this content coming.
    Would be interesting to see how the Barra stacks up, or even the older 250 blocks...
    **EDIT** This content has earned my subscription.

  • @wanderlustindustriesbusine5554
    @wanderlustindustriesbusine5554 5 років тому

    These are the best videos you have ever done. Wicked, keep them coming guys.

  • @ronsousa7071
    @ronsousa7071 5 років тому

    Best comparison video to date, guys. Well done.

  • @802Garage
    @802Garage 5 років тому +12

    One quick note/question. You said almost double the flow when comparing the RB 7.97mm oil return holes to the JZ 15.5mm returns.
    Circular surface area goes up exponentially as you know, so the surface area of the RB holes is 49.89mm² each vs 188.7mm² for the JZ.
    So each hole actually has 3.78 times as much surface area, meaning that same factor of flow, unless I'm missing something.
    That would also mean RB total return area is 249.45mm² vs 2075.7mm² total for the 2JZ, 8.32 times as much return flow.
    Also makes sense if the 2JZ oil feed hole is about twice as large as the RB, which would provide about 4 times as much area.
    Pretty staggering difference if my numbers are correct. I'm sure that oiling capability really matters when getting into high HP.

    • @sweetburlap
      @sweetburlap 4 роки тому +3

      Even more pronounced if you use Poiseuille equation and assume that flow rates are proportional to the radius to the power of 4 (rather than 2)

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage 4 роки тому +2

      @@sweetburlap I'll have to look into that!

    • @rip.tear.
      @rip.tear. 2 роки тому

      Depends on the pump, he's probably quoting figures based on stock pressure

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage 2 роки тому +1

      @@rip.tear. Oil return holes see zero pressure though.

    • @King36XX
      @King36XX Рік тому +1

      Which is one of the rbs biggest issues

  • @rileystoygarage7310
    @rileystoygarage7310 5 років тому +5

    This is the reason why toyota will always be my first choice in lines of vehicles and engines because trust me with periodic maintenance these vehicles and engines will literally run forever

  • @jonrobertson2269
    @jonrobertson2269 5 років тому +2

    I wish someone in the states would do stuff like this with the GM Gen III/IV small blocks or even just comparing different engines in a factual, scientific manner. Keep up the great work!

  • @c2rautomotive
    @c2rautomotive 4 роки тому

    Real data and real videos. Thank you for sharing!

  • @Mr.Flintstone
    @Mr.Flintstone 5 років тому +273

    A comparison of 1jz gte vs 1jzvvti vs 2jz gte vs 2jz vvti vs 2jz ge would be awesome, please!

    • @UJELUS
      @UJELUS 5 років тому +15

      Yes we need more information on the jz blocks.

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 років тому +12

      I dare say at a guess that the 1jz blocks would be the same since all vvt is handled in the head. Likewise the 2jzs vvt or not would have the same block also.

    • @TheJay_Vee
      @TheJay_Vee 5 років тому

      @@liamcooper5202 as far as i can remember from the Jz forums the only real 2j block difference was some small things on the Ge block, but still takes Gte internals

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 років тому +1

      @@TheJay_Vee yeah the case might look different but the hardness and bore will 99.99% be the same

    • @imty8774
      @imty8774 5 років тому +2

      I think the blocks are the same. Maybe test the strength of the heads. VVTi vs a non VVTi.

  • @GTRPSI
    @GTRPSI 5 років тому +12

    Mind blowing good info, very well done. Next one you should get Herman to discuss what the RB boys are going to reduce the issues. Drilling out oil returns to 10mm and adding head drain, oil feed holes bigger, annular oil groves to run 26 bearings, grout to support cylinder walls and his braces.

  • @trentt8824
    @trentt8824 4 роки тому +1

    Absolutely killer video, Well done PRP

  • @TeamTowingChanneL
    @TeamTowingChanneL 5 років тому +1

    Great quality content.. keep um coming!!

  • @AlsAllAussieAdventures
    @AlsAllAussieAdventures 5 років тому +5

    wow great video, didn't realised the 2j was that much better than an RB... much lighter and far more ready for big HP!

  • @TomTubeFrancia
    @TomTubeFrancia 5 років тому +403

    Next Barra vs N54 ? Please

    • @cod4madass
      @cod4madass 5 років тому +3

      Oooh that would be good

    • @barramk3
      @barramk3 5 років тому +30

      Barra Vs. 2J!!

    • @barramk3
      @barramk3 5 років тому +25

      Building a Barra powered Supra myself here in the U.S., so I have my opinions.

    • @TomTubeFrancia
      @TomTubeFrancia 5 років тому +1

      @@barramk3 looking to replace my rb after watching this. Barras are unheard by me but n54 might as well be civics and Camrys there so popular.

    • @coherence_x54r
      @coherence_x54r 5 років тому +1

      @@barramk3 awesome, going to confuse so many people. Good luck

  • @nickrobinson2276
    @nickrobinson2276 5 років тому +1

    Nice one! This content is awesome. Straight to the point no bs

  • @06stiguy63
    @06stiguy63 4 роки тому

    Very informational video. Great to see some actual data instead of "hearsay". Very cool stuff.

  • @perziangangsta
    @perziangangsta 5 років тому +3

    It would also be a good comparison to have a look at the pros and cons of the jz head and rb head

  • @BJK1987AU
    @BJK1987AU 5 років тому +23

    Great videos as usual. Facts instead of rumour or what's believed to be fact.
    Would love to see how the "Aussie 2J" Barra stacks up against these two.

    • @mr.a5147
      @mr.a5147 5 років тому +2

      spoiler alert, it's heavier.

    • @joelwalmsley7217
      @joelwalmsley7217 5 років тому +4

      @@mr.a5147, and cheaper

    • @GnarshredProductions
      @GnarshredProductions 5 років тому +1

      probably better, if i wasnt in the usa where v8's are the gold standard and lived in Australia I would be swapping barra engines into everything.

    • @definitionmedia1130
      @definitionmedia1130 2 роки тому +1

      @@GnarshredProductions no it tested pretty bad 241 which is sort of OK,poor barra boys bullshit doesn't equal facts

    • @King36XX
      @King36XX Рік тому

      @@GnarshredProductions they did a comparison already and the 2jz is the better engine still

  • @beany1987
    @beany1987 5 років тому

    Loving the new comparison videos 👍👍

  • @69BigLou
    @69BigLou 4 роки тому

    Incredibly informative and useful video!

  • @timobrien6916
    @timobrien6916 5 років тому +3

    Suddenly people have a new respect for Rb owners knowing all the faults they face when building a fast Rb

  • @vijeybarethvijayan4128
    @vijeybarethvijayan4128 5 років тому +14

    But RB was use since r32 considered an old engine compare to 2JZ. Both engine are legend but 2JZ is a masterpiece of engineering

    • @legrandodom8235
      @legrandodom8235 4 роки тому

      Were can you buy a rebuild engine.

    • @ausdme8483
      @ausdme8483 4 роки тому

      Vijeybareth Vijayan RB30 where produced since 1985... before the R32

    • @Vegun92
      @Vegun92 3 роки тому

      RB30 was in the R31 and a turbo charged version was in an Australian car, called Holden. Nissan helped them develop an engine due to emission laws.
      I guess 2JZ vs RB26DETT a much more fair comparison.

    • @King36XX
      @King36XX Рік тому

      @@Vegun92already compared and the jz is the better engine. The rb30 has thr same bore and stroke also and is much stronger than an rb26 with less issues and the jz is still better in almost every single way hence this comparison. The 2jz didn't come out until 92 with the aristo so it's newer. Nissan had more time to perfect the rb motor in general than Toyota had with a jz. The qjz came first in the earlier part of the 90s 90 and 91

    • @King36XX
      @King36XX Рік тому

      The 2jz came out in 92 it's younger than the rb30...thr rb30 is stronger than an rb26 you do the math

  • @adamfrbs9259
    @adamfrbs9259 5 років тому

    This is a great video, all info, no bs and all the info a Need For Speed player wishes they knew and now does after your video.

  • @2007suprasport
    @2007suprasport 5 років тому

    Wow! I always wondered which straight line six was better? Now I know without a doubt! Great video!🎄

  • @fraknrak9111
    @fraknrak9111 5 років тому +3

    Having owned and built quite a few RB30's and 2JZ's I can agree entirely with what they say, However, as one of my first cars was an RB30 powered R31 I do tend to have a wee bit of bias towards the dirty-30 :P

  • @ClutchKickJunkies
    @ClutchKickJunkies 5 років тому +15

    The real facts I got from my friend moey ripping the sickest skids down Sydney road in his vl turbo 👌

  • @chuckiefinster544
    @chuckiefinster544 5 років тому

    I love the tests. Never heard of em. He brings out a machine and a clipboard, makes some beeps and spouts off numbers without units. Cool stuff.

  • @madduck692002
    @madduck692002 5 років тому

    Excellent job guys!

  • @Rekkless
    @Rekkless 4 роки тому +60

    Before I even watch this I'm 99% sure that the 2JZ is a better engine. Only the Skyline is a better platform.

    • @KeenanStyles
      @KeenanStyles 4 роки тому +8

      Actually it's not the biggest advantage the A80 has over the R34 is the chassis itself it's more refined and aerodynamic. When you're in a A80 things dont feel cheap either like the R34 the biggest problem is the BNR34 was made based off an economy car counterpart and that absolutely sucks. The GT-R has a better weight distribution but the Supra is more solid especially at high speeds on a road course. Also at high speeds you dont hear creaks and rattles like you do with a R34 chassis. The ATTESA gives way better traction and it can ALOT easier to drive than the Supra depending upon which tires you run. In modern day AWD can be irrelevant based on that because I've chased down Evolutions and Imprezas with ease on the touge. I've even had an Evo VI understeer into the grass in front of me on a road course.

    • @AmaAndZing
      @AmaAndZing 3 роки тому +3

      @@KeenanStyles whatever kid most of us will still choose the grr platform all day lmao but nice try

    • @xramer5840
      @xramer5840 3 роки тому +3

      @@AmaAndZing Who's the kid here lmao. You literally behave like one.

    • @caveman7921
      @caveman7921 3 роки тому +2

      @@KeenanStyles the supra has a better weight distribution then any gtr

    • @Craigster11
      @Craigster11 3 роки тому

      @@KeenanStyles “you don’t hear creaks and rattles “ what? Have you done a top speed run in a R34?

  • @XBullitt16X
    @XBullitt16X 5 років тому +53

    JZ all day everyday, there is a reason JZ engines break world records. It is not an exaggeration to say it is probably one of if not the greatest engines ever created, to think such a simple design can go such a long way. That said, even as a 2JZ fanboy, I would never swap out an RB from a skyline GTR. They're still a great engines, that work incredibly well with the GTR chassis.

    • @nordic5490
      @nordic5490 5 років тому +3

      Wind of change 2jz are breaking records due to the Barra being rare in the States.

    • @hermanurriola138
      @hermanurriola138 5 років тому

      well said man

    • @psk5746
      @psk5746 5 років тому

      @@nordic5490 isn't the Barra block the same old block Ford Falcons had since the 70's?

    • @Viper3048
      @Viper3048 5 років тому +7

      2J and LS are the best performance engines ever made, period. Both somewhat simplistic, but intricate and revolutionary designs that handle power extremely well. I have owned both types and love them immensely compared to anything else.

    • @Viper3048
      @Viper3048 5 років тому +1

      @@nordic5490 Ehh, I don't think so. Performance builders can buy anything from anywhere nowadays.

  • @danielbrealey2924
    @danielbrealey2924 5 років тому +1

    Great videos Andrew... Really interesting stuff

  • @HalferLandPerformance
    @HalferLandPerformance 5 років тому

    Amazing guys!! This has to be one of the best comparison block/motor videos I’ve ever seen. Wish you would do more ....how about the Honda J series LOL 🤪

  • @medihedayati9132
    @medihedayati9132 3 роки тому +3

    I always wanted to know & now I know & have no doubt that JZ engines are better than RB engines.RB is still very impressive

  • @omnislasherRX7
    @omnislasherRX7 5 років тому +6

    Makes sense since the 2JZ was specifically made to power the car to beat the 4WD Skyline GT-R!

  • @paulbudford
    @paulbudford 3 роки тому

    Very insightful comparison

  • @masonryan5139
    @masonryan5139 5 років тому

    Nice work lads!

  • @cardesinr
    @cardesinr 5 років тому +760

    I’ll have you know that my brother’s cousin’s uncle’s nephew’s boyfriend’s cousin’s brother’s sister’s mechanic’s internet blog is gonna have something to say about this……

    • @TheeHenley
      @TheeHenley 5 років тому +1

      cardesinr tongue twister lol

    • @gtr0321994
      @gtr0321994 5 років тому +2

      cardesinr 😂

    • @metaomicron72
      @metaomicron72 5 років тому +7

      Does your brother’s cousin’s uncle’s nephew’s boyfriend’s cousin’s brother’s sister’s mechanic’s aso own a R35 GTR? The BEST car ever made? *sarcasm intensifies*

    • @OriginalSquirmy
      @OriginalSquirmy 5 років тому

      Lmao!!

    • @shawsie5780
      @shawsie5780 5 років тому +1

      LazyRock best car ever made🤔, no chance

  • @zaggy777
    @zaggy777 5 років тому +120

    Time to get an stock 2jz and push it

    • @MotiveVideo
      @MotiveVideo  5 років тому +68

      Once we reach a million subscribers and the money from youtube is enough to support making these videos and building cars, we will.Until then, the cars and mods come out of Andrew's pocket.

    • @redmanhigh
      @redmanhigh 5 років тому +2

      @@MotiveVideo Most car enthusiasts love this videos.
      Most people think that you're spelling some indigenous alphabet. (Rb30-28+25 2jz 1jz)
      Some car people enjoy the entertainment more.
      Most people enjoy the easy entertainment.
      Most car people are man.
      Most people watching UA-cam are man.
      Most channels on UA-cam aren't car related.
      Most channels on UA-cam are about you( the individual and what is he doing) a.k.a. daily vlog.
      Most successful channels are daily vlogs.( Expect MCM which is a collective, it's a reference, an exponent, it's on the top of the hierarchy).
      It would be rather interesting seeing your daily vlog. Rather than having really good sporadically posted content. You are in a top position to do content, really well connected, and with access, english language speaker, you have a pleasant and enjoyable voice. Also you are living in Australia, man I would love to see more of it, daily basis stuff. Listen to some expression and scratch my head trying to understand what does it mean. Surely there are more like me.
      Just an option,
      Robert

    • @SamFBM
      @SamFBM 5 років тому

      1000hp all day

    • @domthompson3535
      @domthompson3535 5 років тому

      Awesome engines man.

    • @pizzarolls3624
      @pizzarolls3624 5 років тому

      Got a gs300 bro. I feel ya. If money wasn't a issue

  • @karlwalters3763
    @karlwalters3763 5 років тому

    Great productions guys!

  • @BCs300z
    @BCs300z 5 років тому

    that was fantastically informative. thanks!

  • @iecku
    @iecku 5 років тому +21

    This testing is incredible!!! Thanks a lot!!! Would love to see this testing on the common used blocks on high power 4 bangers...SR20DET, 3SGTE, 4G63, 4B11, EJ´s....

    • @negativeindustrial
      @negativeindustrial 5 років тому +4

      3S is just a 4Cyl 2JZ.

    • @garethcurtis7545
      @garethcurtis7545 5 років тому

      @@negativeindustrial lol..That's good..

    • @negativeindustrial
      @negativeindustrial 5 років тому

      Gareth Curtis Sky Surv
      I agree - I have two of them currently and have owned several over the years. I’ve only ever blown one but I got way too greedy with the boost on a stock HG

    • @negativeindustrial
      @negativeindustrial 5 років тому

      Tex 13
      I agree all three are great engines and the later 4G63’s addressed this issue but you and I both know the 90’s engines had SERIOUS crankwalk issues the second anyone attempted to run higher than stock boost. The 3S-GTE has always been a tank of an engine, especially from ‘94 on when Toyota switched to a MHG as stock.
      No offense, but the 3S was just a way more reliable engine from ‘88-2000 than the 4G for tuners as one would expect from Toyota/Yamaha.

    • @TheDieselGuy760
      @TheDieselGuy760 2 роки тому

      the ca18det doesn't get love......

  • @Boostiverse
    @Boostiverse 5 років тому +7

    I would love to see this testing on a s54b32 like in my e46 to see how that stacks up against them

    • @izzy031096
      @izzy031096 Рік тому

      Short answer, not very well at all. BMW, particularly since the mid 90’s, produce complete and utter crap.

    • @supernice_auto
      @supernice_auto Рік тому

      @@izzy031096 most low iq comment i've ever read in my life. My stock block e46 m3 with an s54 on a 6466 turbo lived at 720whp for years with absolutely no issues.

  • @14KShadow
    @14KShadow 5 років тому

    Great vid. Unique and interesting content. Thanks guys

  • @CaptZenPetabyte
    @CaptZenPetabyte 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for the data, its great to see someone doing the work. Im thinking of putting a 2jz-gte-vvti into an 84 Pontiac Im restoring but it looks like I may be biting off more than I fan chew

  • @spidey0123
    @spidey0123 5 років тому +3

    Nice review, mechanical wise. But! The boys missed one more important part of block engineering, its metalurgy.

  • @jamesford3549
    @jamesford3549 5 років тому +22

    Really surprised to learn the 2JZ is so much lighter! I'd like to see more of this please, 1JZ, Barra, N54, 4AGE, maybe even mazda rotary parts, I know centre irons crack!

    • @mikamika9781
      @mikamika9781 5 років тому

      Its just the block*

    • @jamesford3549
      @jamesford3549 5 років тому

      Mika Mika yes I know I watched the video

    • @vitalnutrients744
      @vitalnutrients744 5 років тому

      Because it doesn't need a counterbalance since its inline 6 not v6

    • @jamesford3549
      @jamesford3549 5 років тому

      VitalNutrients they’re all inline 6 😂

  • @victorylibrary9597
    @victorylibrary9597 4 роки тому

    Thank you, excellent comments. The bore pitch of the JZ is 92mm, of the RB 96.5mm. I've calculated the actual journal overlap (the enclosed area of the intersecting lens) of the 2JZ (stroke 86mm, rod 52mm, main 62mm) at 5.53 square inches, and that of the RB30 (stroke 85mm, rod 50mm, main 55mm) at 3.25 square inches, a huge difference. Coupled with the greater overall length, the 2JZ crank is much stiffer.

  • @RMutt1
    @RMutt1 5 років тому +1

    The content motive puts out is amazing. No one else digs in this deeply to present the facts.

    • @MotiveVideo
      @MotiveVideo  5 років тому +1

      RMutt1 thanks. We hate click bait generic comparison videos. Would rather solid facts

  • @yukbumer0
    @yukbumer0 5 років тому +3

    would like to see barra vs 2jz, great work on digging into what "was" a controversial topic

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 років тому

      Money on the barra. Just because its newer. Newer iron mixes and better casting methods.

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 років тому

      @Jason Bouphasavanh barra is 1 of 2 motors made by ford aus. It is a 4L straight 6 castiron block code names Barramundi.

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 років тому

      @Jason Bouphasavanh fj? No its in EA, BA, BF and FG. Its basicly just a larger displacment 2Jz

    • @liamcooper5202
      @liamcooper5202 5 років тому

      @Jason Bouphasavanh i cant say i have ever liked fords after the "x" series. The "E" where a pile of shit as was the "A". Ever since then i just never gave them a second look.

    • @2jzking181
      @2jzking181 5 років тому

      @@liamcooper5202 and guess what that test has been done now,the 2jz is the king,your barra is like rb20,no surprise the 2jz and 1jz are the king of 6s,barra way down the pecking order.jz owners already knew,thats that little topic over 2jz spelt any way you like it is king,japans metal mixs are amazing Australia wouldn't have a clue how to get shit done.facts are facts

  • @HarunARosid-zf1bq
    @HarunARosid-zf1bq 5 років тому +5

    The moment you mentioned 2jz is superior on tje dragstrip I already made up my mind 😎😎

  • @dannyhicking
    @dannyhicking 5 років тому

    Zed. Other than that great video. Professional, factual, unbiased. So much better than the Haltech video that was done recently

  • @Buzdu22
    @Buzdu22 5 років тому +2

    It actually makes sense for the RB26 to have thinner castings to save weight, after all it was built for the R32 to compete in Group A. The engine would not see extremes of power that would endanger it's integrity as it would be running restrictors and any extra material in the block would be dead weight. The design probably just got carried over to the R33 and R34 where it would not need more strength as only the R33 raced in Le Mans (again with restrictors), and all racing in the Japan GT circuit was limited to 500hp.
    The 2JZ on the other hand was built as a reliable, strong unit for a heavy street only GT ( Supra, Soarer and Lexus SC300) and was not constrained by weight limitations. The Supras that did race in the japanese GT championship did not use the 2JZ but the (racing only) 4 cylinder, 2.1 liter 503e.

  • @soundseeker63
    @soundseeker63 5 років тому +3

    Be interested to see a comparison between the old 2JZ and the BMW B58 in the new Supra. BMW makes fine engines for sure but it has a lot to live up to!!

    • @carboydorifutoparty3976
      @carboydorifutoparty3976 4 роки тому +1

      Well that's just comparing a overbuilt 1jz vs a modular i6 with parts that are from a diesel i6.

  • @jabigup7361
    @jabigup7361 4 роки тому +3

    Yea 2j all day bro 👍🏿👍🏿✊🏿👏🏿👏🏿🙏🏿🤝🏿🇯🇲

  • @jefrykurniawanmarzuki9762
    @jefrykurniawanmarzuki9762 Рік тому

    why only now I found this channel ;') I learned a lot of knowledge from here, even though I'm a programmer it's easier for me to understand. thanks🥰

  • @jmckey
    @jmckey 5 років тому +1

    This was an amazingly informative and yet easy understand video. Excellent work! I've been obsessed with the 2JZ for the past couple weeks since I rewatched fast and the furious on Netflix and then just happened to see a donut media video about the engine. With having watched over 20 videos on the 2JZ in the Supra this is by far the meatiest and most satisfying videos I've seen about the 2JZ. Thanks!

  • @Doogleraia
    @Doogleraia 5 років тому +58

    Would be interesting to see where some of the European 6'er blocks stack up, like BMW's 6's (M50, M52, M54, S50, S52, S54), Volvo's 6's, etc

    • @baraboo-nb7hv
      @baraboo-nb7hv 5 років тому +2

      N54

    • @Doogleraia
      @Doogleraia 5 років тому +5

      In terms of blocks, the N54 isn't anything impressive

    • @formulajuan5762
      @formulajuan5762 5 років тому +8

      The quickest BMW in the world is running a 2JZ, which should tell you everything you need to know

    • @Doogleraia
      @Doogleraia 5 років тому +19

      Turbo Chook And where did you get that from? Since the record-holder has a 3.8L E34 S38B38 M5 engine doing 6.5sec passes.
      So, no.. it doesn't tell you all you need to know when you are misinformed.

    • @s5_b856
      @s5_b856 5 років тому +4

      M50b25NV one of the strongest engine BMW ever made

  • @vevohoeyo
    @vevohoeyo 5 років тому +7

    Can you guys test an vq38dett engine for hardness. Thickness etc

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects 5 років тому +2

      you mean VR?

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects 5 років тому

      @@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro lol why even bother

    • @hermanurriola138
      @hermanurriola138 5 років тому

      cast alloy block with steel sleeves, can't compare them unfortunately :(

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects 5 років тому

      @@BrendanRaymondKoroKoro I'm sure you can make good power with a nice VG, I just don't like working on them.

    • @niallcorcoran4437
      @niallcorcoran4437 5 років тому

      vevohoeyo vr38dett**

  • @fredjones554
    @fredjones554 5 років тому

    Excellent content. Subscribed

  • @royzcustomz
    @royzcustomz 5 років тому

    great information nice to see this far in depth into the testing of any block.

  • @wwooster4164
    @wwooster4164 5 років тому +15

    To be fair, the rb30 was never designed to be a performance motor, hence being fitted into Australian delivered commuters (r31s and vl's) and patrols.
    It would be a fairer comparison to compare the rb26 and 2j, despite the displacement difference.

    • @Aladdin5cave
      @Aladdin5cave 4 роки тому +3

      if you watch their other video comparison, the RB30 is better than the RB26

    • @ethanal2736
      @ethanal2736 2 роки тому +2

      2jz was first fit into a 4 door saloon

    • @izzy031096
      @izzy031096 Рік тому

      @@ethanal2736 Very true, Aristo ftw

    • @King36XX
      @King36XX Рік тому

      And the 2jz is stil the better motor. Man you Nissan fan boys don't give up huh lol the rb30 is the better stronger more efficient motor than the 26 hence why so many people fit the rb30 bottom end into their high hp rb26 builds same reason people put a 2jz bottom end on a 2jz for a 1.5jz build for the high flowing high reving head and 2jz strength

  • @clutchkickpj693
    @clutchkickpj693 5 років тому +4

    Can you do a vid on nissans almighty TB48?the Saudis like to make 1500hp nissan patrols and desert hill climb with them!

    • @clutchkickpj693
      @clutchkickpj693 5 років тому

      @Mr Calcium oh man that sucks... well keep this series going because it's great!

    • @Wabeeninc
      @Wabeeninc 5 років тому

      1FZ tho

  • @alexarks517
    @alexarks517 5 років тому

    Great video man

  • @nickg4135
    @nickg4135 5 років тому

    keep on this series, stuff like this is great. i wish herman would get into the barra & ford windsor/clevo scene.

  • @Pedro1893sd
    @Pedro1893sd 5 років тому +4

    2JZ my favorite ;)))

  • @Emilthehun
    @Emilthehun 5 років тому +11

    I'd still much rather rock a Nissan then a supra. It's just a personal preference

  • @unrealimports1067
    @unrealimports1067 5 років тому

    I'ved owned a Jza80 and BNr32, 2JZ all the way, great informative video, good job mates

  • @mickeymouse1866
    @mickeymouse1866 5 років тому

    Thank you for this effort again guys

  • @bryanwee5083
    @bryanwee5083 5 років тому +3

    Both engines would kill u in spending ,salute both 🤙🏻

    • @Plzreplyhello
      @Plzreplyhello 4 роки тому

      I have 6 2 jz,s with true miles under 20k i jad these supras from my familyies car dealership

  • @mrnicktoyou
    @mrnicktoyou 5 років тому +21

    It's pretty conclusive I guess. The Toyota block is designed and built better. The GTR is a better car though and if it can handle 500-600hp reliably then who cares about more than that.

    • @jaydunbar7538
      @jaydunbar7538 5 років тому +4

      All the people pushing them double that.

    • @gregorp8406
      @gregorp8406 5 років тому +2

      You're right! After all the r34 especially was an overall technologically super equipped track/circuit assassin, purpose built not as a highway pull beast or dyno desyroyer.. The rb is surely still very functional in the package for its intended use, with many cool features and a race bred pedigree.. But on the other hand the 2jz is unquestionably capable to fulfill the power hunger and the number chase of our days. Don't get me wrong I love em both, it's just that the 2jz is so overbuilt and overengineered that it's insane! But you can't compare or diss either one, as much as you can't diss the Supra over the r34 and vice versa they're both great cars at what they do! But on the street/drag scene the 2jz is always gonna be the top dog for it can meet the obscene expectations and abuse of the particular application!

    • @gregorp8406
      @gregorp8406 4 роки тому

      john maselli 👍👍👍👍👍
      Of course man!!! Nothing comes close to those two!! They are beyond cars, they have reached legend status! They were made to be legends and in our minds they've become entities of the car culture!

    • @gregorp8406
      @gregorp8406 4 роки тому

      john maselli oh and the nsx I might add as well, not so much on the raw performance aspect but it's one of the Kings you know, and a beautiful car too!!

  • @MrYlijumala
    @MrYlijumala 5 років тому

    I just love the sound when someone measures in metric

  • @ToughGarage
    @ToughGarage 5 років тому

    Fantastic video guys. Very informative and interesting

  • @madkas14
    @madkas14 5 років тому +17

    2JZ, not surprised.

  • @mareksumguy1887
    @mareksumguy1887 5 років тому +137

    I think every enthusiast knows the 2JZ is better.

    • @Toyota4Life
      @Toyota4Life 5 років тому +16

      should be known by now lol

    • @mareksumguy1887
      @mareksumguy1887 5 років тому +6

      @Assman Kramer Im pretty sure you get higher rigidity with a V. Also, better mass centralization.

    • @motorised1
      @motorised1 5 років тому +1

      @Assman Kramer american market...........

    • @RoliRuli
      @RoliRuli 5 років тому +1

      Assman Kramer toyota made the same thing abandoning JZ over a shitty GR series i think thats what they called

    • @_entrxpy
      @_entrxpy 5 років тому +5

      @Assman Kramer A V layout construction actually is better for a lot of reasons. Ever wondered why formula 1, gran tourismo and time attack cars have V engines?

  • @buildanddriftdriftoholic3343
    @buildanddriftdriftoholic3343 5 років тому +2

    RB in my heart! Great information, thank you from Kazahstan! But you forgot tell about better colling system on rb blocks.

  • @rendrayuswandana6522
    @rendrayuswandana6522 4 роки тому

    Im really enjoying this