WINCHESTER LONGBEARD XR VS FEDERAL TSS| which one shoots better?
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
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I’ve been using the Winchester 3 inch for years now and I love them! Factor in the price and the way the TSS knocked your shoulder out of socket. Winchester all day for me!
Can’t argue with that
Well, I have an 1100,1300, 870, 500, and an 88 and all of them are 12 gauge and are decked with long beard xr chokes. Nothing else compares. That choke and the Winchester Long Beard XR in 3 inch 5 and 6 shot are lethal to turkey. I’ve used every imaginable choke over the years and every imaginable shell. I’ve fallen for the fads, I’ve tried the newest and hottest about EVERYTIME they’ve come out but nothing touches the long beard combo. I’ve used the 3.5” and it’s just my opinion that there is absolutely no need to go about a 3”. Back in the 1970’s and 1980’s I bagged mani turkey with Winchester Super X 2.75” 5 and 6 shot. The new ammo doesn’t kill them any deader than before… they just allow us to extend our range. Even a 7 shot short brass will work at 20 and under. It’s not rocket science.
For the money, you can’t beat the Winchester Longbeard I’ve been using them in Remington 870 with a 660 choke and I love them
I am shooting an original Mossberg 835 with a Hastings turkey choke. I use Winchester Longbeard XR 3.5 #5 and have had great success. A few years ago I was having a tough season and took a shot at a tom that I thought was about 50 yards out in a weedy field. I couldn't get a range on him with the rangefinder due to the weeds. He dropped like a load of bricks. It turned out to be 72 yards. If I had known that, I wouldn't have shot, but that is how it goes sometimes. I still believe in 50 yards max no matter what you use. I haven't tried TSS for the simple fact as to what it costs.
I DID THE EXACT SAME THING WITH A LASER MEASURED DISTANCE OF 72 YDS. I STALKED THESE BIRDS AND CAME UP OUT OF A CREEK BED AND THEY HAD MOVED INSTINCTIVELY AS THEY WERE WALKING AWAY IN A CUT CORNFIELD I SHOULDERED MY SCOPED REM. 11-87 PULLED THE TRIGGER BANG DOWN. TOOK MY VORTEX LASER RANGEFINDER FROM WHERE I SHOT 72 YARDS BUT I AM NOT RECOMMENDING SHOOTING AT THAT DISTANCE. IT WAS A REFLEX SHOT 50 YARDS AND UNDER IS PREFERRED. I HAVE MOSSBERG A 20 .20 GA SAME CARLSON LB WINCHESTER LB COMBINATION THAT IS ALSO DEADLY.
Every turkey I've ever killed has been with lead loads, they have never failed me. I've failed as the shooter at time's, I can't justify spending that much $ on a single shell.
They may work great for some, but my Longbeard xr's work great for me. Not to mention every bird I've ever killed has been with #4 shot, never done me wrong out of my 20 year's of turkey hunting.
This year I'm going to give Longbeard xr #6 a shot as well, I've still got plenty of my #4's if I'm not happy with the results of the #6's. We shall see, but at the end of the day I'm just thankful to the Lord for giving us another turkey. God bless to all my fellow hunter's & have a blessed season!
Same here
Definitely a difference in price. I’m using the long-beards this year myself. Enjoyed the test.
Winchester Longbeard XR 12 gauge no. 6, 3” have gotten the job done for me where I hunt in the hardwoods. Most places can’t see more than 40 yards. Get close and shoot straight.
I can tell u why that happened. A 655 is too tight for that tss load. I’ve experienced that with my Jebs 650. Went to an Indian Creek 665 and that tss, no matter what brand performs like a champ. The 650 with longbeard was very good though.
Awesome video I use both. But you can't bet the long beards. Shoot a bird at 65 yards through light brush. Number 5 3.5. I prefer the tss it pentatrates better and had better knock down. But I can buy the long beards and don't cry. I'd love see the same test done on ballistic gel. Shooting a rem 870 ultra mag. 3.5. Federal tss 7 and 9 shot.
I have the same gun. My dad gave it to me in the 90’s. I put an Indian Creek .665 and shot the WLB#6 for a while. Good patterns. Picked up some Fed TSS #9s and realized what I’d been missing. Just picked up some Apex #9s for this year, and WOW. Hand loaded TSS outshines everything!
The I swear by the hand loads. I’ll forever take hand loads over something made by a machine. Apex is top notch
That I.C .665 loves Apex #8 as well. That's all I shoot now.
You got that right sbe with Indian creek .665 apex #9 silly
Love the gun , Have a 1300 just like that for around 30 years with a oh Hastings 660 choke. Used Federal 6 for years and got a lot of turkeys, but tried the oh XR 6 a few years ago love them . Don't think I need to change a thing turkey easy at 40 or 50 yards. Good luck on your hunt 👍
My opinion.. Neither of these shotgun shells impress me.. I'll stick to using my Remington SP10 10ga shooting Federal Grandslams in #5's through an original Primos Jelly Head choke tube.. This set-up for me is absolutely lights out devastating on turkeys..
LBXR's are the absolute best lead load on the market to date. Will never go wrong with those.
With a little research TSS #9 paired up with the right choke for your gun, will throw a basketball to beachball size pattern at 40 yards. My 301 410, paired up with a Patternmaster Code Black Turkey. Shooting Rogue or Apex Turkey Ninjas is ridiculous. In my trial and error with the wife's Benelli M2 20 ga, her gun throws a nasty pattern with the Jebs Headhunter and Rogue. Her gun will blow out the pattern on a stacked load. I'm not a %100 sold on stacked TSS loads just yet, only because I have yet to find a choke tube that I can get the pattern I want out of her gun. I have the Avian X crusher on order to test and see how that does. In my opinion, what TSS has done for the sub gauges is off the charts. I may never take a 12ga into the turkey woods ever again.
Should check out Apex. Their loads are crazy good.
Longboard XR works good for me. Enjoyed the video. Good luck in the turkey woods.
Good luck out there! 🦃
Good Video
Winchester 1300 22” Barrel. Winchester long longbeard XR. I shoot a kicks .665 Federal TSS 9s I shoot a Kicks .655
My 870 will only gain about 5 more yards with the TSS. The XR are less than half the price. XR is a no brainer for my setup.
That .655 will shoot #9 tss pretty well. You'll need to go up to a .665 or .670 to tighten up the pattern with tss 7s, 7.5s, or 8s. One exception I can suggest, from experience, is the Apex Smalltown blend (7.5s over 9s), and they will shoot very very well through your choke. Like, you're going to need a red dot or scope, kinda very well. Just my 2 cents. Enjoyed the vid.
I’ve been told that the Rectifier Spade ♠️ choke is the GO TO , GOAT for Federal TSS because of the type of WAD they’re using.
I have SXP 3.5 and going to use the Winchester Long Beard XR #6 , 3" and using a .640 choke. Like you mentioned, all shotguns have different backbores and chokes, so what ever is the best ammo for your turkey gun.
.655 probably over choking the tungsten but the XR pattern isn't a joke. In my 22" barreled 1300 I'm running a .662 hevi choke hand load 2oz 8x9 and it does very well. I have the factory .670 choke in my 18.5" 1300 and running 1 3/4oz of 8x9. Shooting full size contractor paper would help see full pattern density too.
Benelli supernova. Had it drilled and tapped. EGW rail, tru glo red dot. Primos Jelly head choke. Winchester long beard xr 3 inch 6 shot. At 15 yards its basically a slug. At 40 yards that bird has no chance. Insane setup. Ya welcome...
Ahhhh, my man! I've been shooting the same 1300 for 39 years, and even though I have many turkey setups, I still love my 1300 the best, and it outshoots all the others. With LBXR 3" #6 through a Jebs .650, or Apex #8 through an I.C .665, the ole girl is lights out at distance some would consider unethical.
I shoot a .665. And the Longmeadow shoot better. However. Apex 31/2 #9 sill put 130 in the head and neck at 45 yards. So, how dead you want him ? 80 for TSS. 5 shells. Or 30 for Longbeards #6 , 10 shells? I bought 2 boxes of Longbeards at the prices of 5 TSS.
Good video but testing method was poor. 1- you need a very large target - about 48” square. 2- you need a bench/rest. 3- Number of hits in vitals is irrelevant- if you have a pattern that is 6” left of bullseye where the core/density is highest, your method doesn’t identify this. 4- using just a bead front sight ability to induce point of aim errors increases. 5- Ballistics/penetration of TSS are superior to lead. 6- Lead has its place and has killed countless turkeys. 7- TSS enables the 410/28 to be as lethal or more than the 12/10 with less weight, less recoil. Single 410s can be as light as 3.6 pounds and kill further than ethically condoned.
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Lol you really need all that when your actually sit down and blast a turkey most time your free handing when your turkey hunting so all that is a wast of time not a rifle your sighting in I thought he did a great job you ask me
krm944 is spot on. Whats the point of any test if you dont control the simple variables. And shooting one time tells you very little. I know you mean well but this tells me nothing
@@davidhammer154 thanks for watching!
TSS has more energy but they don't pattern as well as lead. I've never seen a TSS pattern past 55 yards meanwhile I've seen plenty of people pattern 3.5" XRs out to 70. Plus they still punch through a tuna can at 70 yards so there's no point in getting heavier pellets.
Been using the Longbeard XR, 3" 5 shot for a few years now. The best I can find with a Black Diamond choke tube...
That’s a nice lookin shotgun - nice furniture.
I shoot TSS cause I do draw hunts and hunt public land and have to use non toxic shot but i had to play with some choke tubes in my old 835 to find what it likes and pattern master code black and indian creek black diamond strike seem to pair really well with the tss in most videos with most guns I’ve seen and the tru lock someone mentioned above is good combo as well. Either way good luck too u in the woods.
I've HANDLOADED my turkey loads for over 50 years and at 70 METERS, from a Remington Model 1100 with a Cutts Compensator Full choke tube and a 2 3/4" 1 1/2 oz "Baby Magnum" polyethylene buffered copper-plated Lawrence "Hard Shot (high antimony)" in #4's pattern 100% into 7" at 70 meters, and take "Tom's" head OFF! #2's are the max size allowed in OK, but don't give the pellet count or pattern density consistently. I use Peter's Blue magic shells, Win AA wads Win 571 powder Win 209 Mag primers 1225 FPS. I use an antique Weave Red Dot sight on Public Land, and if the idiots don't scare the birds off trampin' around after daylight, I get dinner. Largest Tom I ever brought home was 19 1/2 pounds. Over on the Osage, there are 22-26 pound Toms up in the hills, but those are "camp-out" birds, and I'm too old to cover the country at 70 and had strokes. Once, standing in the middle of the highway, I swear I saw a close to 30 pounder strutting across the road! He may have been a domestic/wild hybrid-had a beard...
Try an Indian creek .660 with federal tss #9’s or longbeard #5’s. These combinations have been phenomenal in every 1300 I’ve seen them tried in.
Ive used #6 XR with carlson xr choke for few years. Knocks then down all day everytime better than TSS. The tss just carries more weight further down range because its more dense than lead. Isnt worth the money to me. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I’ve killed at 65 yds with that same long beard shell! That’s all I use, but I use it with the carlsons long beard choke .650 out my berretta
3" 5 shot long beard XR all day. I have noticed with my gun/choke setup that 3" shoot better overall than 3 1/2".
TSS # 9S !!!
I’d go with long beards bro for your set up
Agreed
TSS in 12 gauge isn’t necessary. It’s intended for use in sub gauge guns. If I use my 12 I’m shooting the LB #4, but my 20 shoot 9 TSS is far superior.
The TSS wad faces forward will hit a small twig and scew the entire pattern off. Like a arrow trough twigs.
Beautiful gun bro big fan of the winchester shotguns
Thank you 🙏🏼
Definitely need to try the #9s
I use my 24” xtrema 2 with 3.5 tss #7 and the knock down power is very ethical . Two flops and done .
I shot 9’s or 7x9 with an 870 and a 660. I also like magnum blend 5,6,7 two ounce load
I’m not saying it’s the best but I’ve been shooting Longbeard XRs 3.5” #5s with no reason to change. Dead is dead.
I read a lot of negative comments about the Federal TSS’s performance.
Longbeards and undertaker choke absolutely deadly
Try the #9 TSS and I bet it outshoots that #6 LBs by a mile. I have back flipped them at 40 yards with an old bolt action .410 with no choke.
I flipped a bird at about 65 yards with a .655 and tss 9’s. Can’t remember if it was federal or apex. Either way, a person has to use what’s best for them and the turkey. Enjoyed the content. Did you end up using the tss that season?
I did! I shot a bird at 45 ish yards in Florida with the TSS. It did fine but I’ve been hunting with long beards thus far
You may find those federal tss shoot better out of a factory full choke or a non porter choke. All my tinkering has proved that.
Carlsons make a turkey tss specific choke!
No real need for tss in the .12 for practical turkey ranges imo. I’d use it in .20 or .410 though.
Not a fan of duplex loads.. try another test with straight TSS 9s. My 835 at 40 yards puts probably 75 to 100 pellets in his head. My 935 (before I bought the 835) couldn't shoot lonbeard xrs worth a shit with 5 different chokes, gun just hates the winchester loads. Also I put a red dot on my 835 and I think that helps tremendously when it comes to patterning a turkey gun.
Try a mod chock with the tss im guessing you will have e better results
I have mossberg 835 a killing machine I use a indian creek choke tube and 3and a half inch shell 12ga xr #6s at 40yds a deadly kill
For a 12 gauge, I don’t really see the reason to shoot anything other than LBXR’s. For a 20 gauge, I don’t recommend shooting anything other than TSS.
I just don't believe in paying 10.00 or more for a single shell.also I prefer to call the gobbler into 30 yards or less so I've been using long beard xr the last 2 seasons and have had good success.just my opinion.
I've used Winchester loads for turkey hunting for over 25 years back in the day they were just plain ol Winchester double x. Now they put fancy names like longbeard xr. But Winchester are hard hitting shells. I'll stick with my $15 a box Winchester. Ain't no shotgun shell woth the price of the tungsten.
IT'S MORE THAN FANCY WINCHESTER HAS A PATENTED ROSIN BUFFERING SYSTEM GOOGLE IT, IT'S FASCINATING.. THAT'S WHY THEY SHOOT SO GOOD.
@@DEVILDOG1964 they don't shoot good lol.i patternd them and the double x are allot better
@@jason6325 if double xx shoot better it's because you don't have a Carlson's Long Beard choke tube. On other sites that did tested they all love LB's with the patented rosin buffered shot. Good luck and good hunting.
@@DEVILDOG1964 id like to have one. But my gun is a bakail mp model. Made is Russia i bought it because i got a good deal on it. And it shoots 3&1/2" shells it's a semi auto as well. I love it but the darn thing has a weird thread pattern. I've looked up chockes for it and they're are only 3 options.i May end up getting me a good Remington or Mossberg so i can get that choke I've heard allot of good things about that combo of choke and shells
@@jason6325 pawn shops gun shops gun clubs you find a good used gun. Mine is a Remington special purpose 11-87 shoots lights out with a scope. You can move your shot pattern just like bullet dead center at your preferred distance. Good luck.
Now compare the XR magnum load to the TSS, its even better
Tss is a great ammo. But I can't bring my self to pay $11-$13. A shot. When long beard XR is a good 40 yard ammo for less than $3 a shot
Try the tru lock pinhoti choke with some #9s they work really well for me
I will do that!!
Buy yourself a Patternmaster Anaconda Striker for your gun. With those two loads you will be amazed.
My 20 gage put 87 pellets at 35 yards
Don't know about the 1300 with the 1187 long beards all the way
Always longbear XR 3 1/2 inch 5s. That shell flat kills for half the price of TSS
Your over choked. Sell that .655 choke to someone that shooting matches at cards with 8 shot.
I’ll do that! Thanks for watching
Last year my brother shot a gobbler at 80 yards with a Longbeard XR
What size shell and type of shot?
No way this is how you pattern man. Get a 4x4 sheet of brown paper to catch the spread. Your gun isn't sighted to either of these and the results are still inconclusive. No idea what the pellet count is in the 6 or 10. You have to put the 10" on the wad, not the turkey head.
lol Brother!! Please Don’t Check The Pattern Of Your Gun Offhand! Same With Your Deer Rifle! The Difference Is The TSS 9’s Have The Same Knockdown And Penetration Of A Lead 5! With That Gun You Can Kill A Turkey At 75 Yards With TSS! My ATI Nomad 3” Magnum 20 Gauge With Federal TSS 9’s Does!
Carlson choke with 3 in Longbeards!! 870 Turkey shotgun works well!!
Longbeard#5s
Use a Indian creek choke for tss
3" Turkey load + pump shotgun = pain! Lol
Tough to bet Longbeard xr
I shoot long beard#6 exclusively.
$15 a shell vs $2.50 a shell
The tss u need a bank loan to get them 😂
25 dollars a box of 10 wlb # 6 all day long
Another one that uses a target the size of a paper plate,so you Don't see where the whole pattern is they guess& say they think it's high instead of knowing for sure rookie move, solution by bigger targets!!!! They make bigger targets DUH!!!!!!!!!
Dude. That was a horrible display of shooting for a pattern. Use a rest...
Nice work on the Osceola's boys . I shoot Dem 3.5 #9s TSS can't change won't change .just too nasty . Can't stop the flop my man . Nice Florida birds
That’s what my pops shoots. They are lethal! Thank you bud!
I'm using a 4 guage 7" magnum.turkey whittamaker
TSS is way overrated "IMO" the LONG BEARD #5/6 (WIN.) or FOR SURE the VERDICT #5/6 is the BEST For me & my REM. 870 EXPRESS Super mag.