I never hunted... the dog did. My job was to follow her and knock down what she put up. 28 ga skeet loads with 3/4 oz #6. Easy job since I was a skeet shooter, loaded my own, and could hit a target. On the rare occasion when I missed, the dog would watch it fly away and turn and look at me like I was stupid. I miss those days.
I grew up in SoDak. You are right about South Dakota pheasants. My first pheasant was shot with a 410, 48 years ago. I'll never forget hunting pheasants with my dad, grandpa and uncles. My mom and sisters also liked hunting pheasants. Peasant hunting in South Dakota is magical. The corn stalks are golden. There is frost in the morning and warm sun in the afternoon. At the end of the day all the guys are in a circle cleaning birds. There were a lot of them. The 10 year old (me) is trying to imagine which is the one I shot. That kind of experience changes one. As a child I was taught and expected to be responsible with a gun. I was expected to be respectful in the company of men. You grow up differently than you do with video games.
So cringe 🤦♂️ My teen son has a ps4 and is at least as responsible , safe and respectful … respectful to all people around him as you. He’s also a state champ wrestler , captain of the football and wrestling team and an accomplished hunter and fisherman.. you got nothing on him, or his buddies… and to top it off he doesn’t come on comment sections and try to convince everyone how much better he is than the younger guys. You guy always try to make yourselves look better as if the year of your birth automatically makes you a better person. Our (yours and mine.. I’m 58) generation left a steaming pile of shit for our kids and grandkids to clean up… don’t ever forget that.. but it obviously make you feel good about yourself to constantly compliment yourself so by all means carry on.
16 ga, model 12 Winchester using Winchester Super X #6 shot with a full choke. I shot that combo for pheasant, ducks and geese. It's all that was needed!
I switched from the 12 to the 20 about 15 years ago, and absolutely love it. It's much more comfortable to carry the lighter shotgun. About half of the places I hunt require non tox shot, so I just switched over for all hunting. I've had wonderful results with Federal Black Cloud with flight control in #4 shot.
Try Boss shotshells bismuth out of the 20ga. It’ll make that black cloud look like a joke. I took my 20ga with 3” boss #5 duck hunting this year and it hits mallards like they ran into a brick wall.
Same to me had have 12GA shot through it 20K rounds and tied about weight and recoil. Switched to 20GA and I am happy, less powder and shot to reload, less box of ammo. But result the same. 12GA this is advertisement of ammo manufactures they do for Army 12GA and cheaper to sell and made it to usual hunters. And I believe they hate the others gauges :)
I’m not even a hunter but I do enjoy shooting and my 2A rights. Ron just reminds me of friendly neighbors from years past who were hunters and firearm enthusiasts, just good people and relaxing to listen to. Much appreciated.
My younger brother and I are fans of the 16 gauge. The sxs Fox is a great pheasant gun in the 16 ga. I we have lots of other shotguns in lots of different gauges but the 16 is a very good choice for pheasant. A plus is that the 16 gauge guns tend to be cheaper at gun shows because no one seems to really want them. Everyone wants a 20 or a 12.
I think you're right about that, I found a Stevens 16 GA. Western Field 30 in a pretty high flow gun shop that had been sitting on the shelf for 8 months, 300 bucks, its mine now. Went to another gun store asking if they had any 16 GA. shells, guy there told me to hang it up on my wall and get a 12 GA. I guess people just don't really want them.
Wow this caused me to take a trip back in time through my mind. The family farms have all but disappeared where I live but in my younger years we had good bird hunting on the local farmland. I used my Ithaca M37 12 gauge with 1-1/4 oz of #6 shot for pheasant. I can't recall the last time I bagged a ringneck, it's been that long ago. I just never found the time to travel for bird hunting. Thanks for the trip down memory lane though. Have a Happy New Year all!
What state are you in? I’m in western NY, we used to have endless fields of pheasants but now the fields are gone and it’s housing subdivisions as far as one can see 🙁
@@ryane6719 Very sad state of affairs. I knew some folks who used to hunt where you live. I grew up in the Catskills. Despite the terrain we had dairy farms and eggs farms for miles at one time. The silage corn fields were loaded with game birds and fur bearers. Mostly just a memory now. ;(
I recently went to central oregon for pheasants and chuckers. Two of the four of us used 28ga over/under with 5 shot. Deadly. The 12 guys blew a few birds to mush. We were not handicapped at all.
I love upland hunting, finally, you are giving me some love... I'm really not a fan of hiking a 300lbs elk around but, a delicious well-recipied phesant... now you're in my wheelhouse.
My buddies and I use alot Fiocchi, and use either modified choke or Improved cylinder, here in Kansas. I used my Dads ol J.C Higgins 12 ga. pump with the ol Powr Pak choke system this fall. A lot of fun and a lot good memories with that gun!
Well, don’t know about you all, but I learned a lot here. Thanks, Ron. I think there is a lot to be said for non-toxic. Plus, that feeling of biting into a led 7 1/2 pellet is, well, problematic.
I have a .410 side by side, 16ga ithica model 37, several 12ga and an over under 28ga. I have not touched my other shotguns since getting my 28. I have killed several limits of geese and ducks with my 28. I absolutely love it!
What loads are you using? Obviously availability of different loads is limited right now but biggest shot I can find is #5. I’d imagine you’d need bigger to drop geese with the payload of a 28ga.
@@LilOutdoorsmangoogleplus I'm using Hevi Steel, 5/8 oz. #4 shot going 1350fps I've had a case on order for over a year now so I'm having to use my 12ga this year. I'm going to pick up a 28ga reloader and start rolling my own. I would not have any problem using number 5 shot on geese. In fact that's what I would use if the hevi steel came in it. What loads are you finding with number 5 steel?
I used #5 shot here in Central NY. And you would almost have to step on them to get them in the air. Talk about being startled a bit. Have a happy new year.
I’ve been enjoying a weatherby sa-08 in 28 gauge for lots of upland hunting. It’s also been the most easily available shotgun ammunition to pick up throughout the shortage
Do you know you can load those 28g shells with a pair of .454 round cap and ball bullets with the same exact payload so no over pressures? I mean, keeping the original powder and wad but changing the birdshot for the balls. Wonderful as a home defense ammo to be used by kids and women.
I’ve hunted upland birds for well over 35 years now. I always started the season out with 2 3/4” #6 12 gauge loads, mid season, as the birds become “educated”, I’d switch over to loads called 4x6 12 gauge 2 3/4”, when I could find them that is, and id buy as many as I could afford when I did find em, they were a mixture of #4 and #6 shot, late season I switched to 3” #5s. Then, the copper plated loads became available. My favorites were Fiocchi copper plated lead #6 shot. I began using them all season long. With my Benelli 12 gauge Montefeltro, with a cylinder choke, it simply didn’t matter. The gun just patterned the best with that load and that choke. Early season 2 3:4” late season 3”, and those copper plated #6 shot sliced through them birds like butter. I’ve found exit wounds in some birds, and very little feathers in the wounds themselves. That copper plated shot sure was a game changer for me. Super deadly and worth the money. Sadly I lost my huntin partner, my old GSP Boo. Miss that ol boy immensely, and haven’t been able to find a dog like that since. I’ve been through 2 since he passed, Jack, who was 12 years old when he passed, and now ol Dott, who was supposed to be a hunter, but turned into mamas lap dog, spoiled as all get out, and refuses to hunt, especially when it’s cold and wet. The best time to go. She just will not do it. Damm. And here I am, 1 year older every year and having to honor the commitment I made when I bought her lol. I’ve NEVER turned my back on a dog I bought, and got rid of them when they didn’t turn out. I keep them because that’s the commitment we make when we make them a part of the fam. So keeping my fingers crossed the next one turns out because it’ll most likely be my last, I ain’t no “spring chicken” any more. Good luck out in the fields guys, sure wish I could go too haha
Shot my first pheasant with a 20 gauge. I was about 15. Hunting rabbits with beagles. Thought my maker was coming when that roster took off. Not sure who was more confused me or that beagle. Billy was off to my right and he was packing a 16. I remember I was eating hard candy and it was the longest two seconds of my life trying to get that hammer back on that 20 gauge with wet fingers after digging around in my mouth on that rock candy. Great topic as always thanks.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Is she still available!?!?! Just kidding. I’m happily married to a gal who becomes a virtual “widow” in the fall/winter due to football & hunting and doesn’t seem to mind.
I started out with 12ga O/U, but ended up on being a dedicated 28ga SxS. The SxS points more naturally for me because the barrels lay much lower in my support hand, and it doesn't get tiresome shooting 28ga all day the way it does with 12ga for me personally.
Back in the day I used to hunt in the morning on the way to school. Get an hour or so in walking the local fields, speed to school, quick change in the parking lot, and barely make the first class by the bell. Looking back I had no idea how lucky I was to be able to experience that. Hunting pheasants solo was not easy but damned exciting when they took off near you. That is an experience you wont forget. 12g and 6 shot lead. Back then, lead was the only choice.
As usual, North Dakota gets short shrift when it comes to pheasants. That's ok, more for us then! 😃 The 28 ga punches way above its weight class. Have killed wild roosters dead in the air @ 50yds with mine. Also love the 16 ga. My Franchi Instinct SL weighs 5.8 lbs. Kills like a 12, carries like a 20. Thanks, Ron!
Clean fence rows ( lack of cover), chisel plowing before winter, and overuse of pesticide/herbicide, have eliminated gamebirds in The NUT-SO-GREAT STATE of ILLINOIS. Happy to see South Dakota has it together.
Yes, those things and overall "clean" farming. Disturbed ground. If it's growing a crop it's plowed or disced or chiseled or sprayed a few times each year. If it's hay it's cut and baled. By winter there is little or no cover. Rural Illinois looks like a more expansive suburb than any wild lands. Disturbed nesting grounds, naked wintering grounds. Bye bye.
Right on Ron. One can certainly get a lot of work done with a 20gauge and a 7/8 oz load at 1200 -1250 fps! Quality shot and wad make it a lot easier. 😊
What little experience I have on Pheasants, my really old Model 12 16 gauge with full choke and plain, non-rib barrel, just hammers them. It's pitted from decades of storage neglect, but it's a bird hammer.
I did a guided pheasant hunt with 3 inch high brass 5 shot out of my workhorse Mossberg 500 and I was so beat up by the end of the day. Next time I’m taking my 20 gauge Bakail side by side with high brass 6 shot. I know it’s a Russian junk shotgun but the barrel are regulated perfectly somehow and I don’t cringe when if it gets some snow, rain, or mud on it. I like having that tighter choke on my second shot out if my left barrel and I like bit leaving a mess by losing shells in brush.
Rhodesia, another option is to just shoot a lighter load in your 12 ga. One-ounce from a 12 ga. kicks no more than 1 ounce from a 20 ga. if MV and gun weight are the same.
I have used 10, 12, 16, 20 and .410. 20 ga. is sufficient for anything short of turkey and water fowl. And I have taken turkey and duck with 20 ga. My go to is an old model 12 in 16 ga. Harder to find 16 ga. shells. 12 ga. will do for anything, but can be overkill for small game. But whatever works best for you is what you use.
20ga makes for a fantastic turkey and waterfowl load, all though due to pattern densities/ pellet count you’ll want to keep shooting ranges a little closer. I shot my biggest turkey with a 20ga a few years ago. Shot a limit of ducks this season with my 20ga and my little brother almost exclusively shoots 20ga for ducks. And we have bagged well over 100 ducks this year. And a lot of big ducks like mallards and gadwall, not just small teal. I will say that steel loads for waterfowl out of a 20ga aren’t great, but we’ve been using Boss the past 2 seasons with great success. And using the tungsten Boss loads for turkey. With the Boss 3” 20ga #5 it’s got 1 1/8oz of shot which is the same payload weight as nearly all 2 3/4” and many 3” 12ga steel load offerings. So you’re getting identical performance between the two gauges given the 20ga is choked appropriately to throw an even pattern.
I always thought that #5 shot would be too big for a pheasant, but if that bird is flying away at 45 yards using a 20 gauge you'll need a shot load too knock him down! Thanks for the update information!
I think we could all do well to appreciate the 28 gauge more. Lightweight but still plenty of pellets to get the job done. I really want one, but finding ammo can be tricky and it seems to be more expensive when you do find it.
Luckily Boss shotshells is making their loads for the 28ga so there is a quality offering for hunting. And I’ve seen some 28 target ammo popping up for sale on MidwayUSA through this whole ammo crisis
My first duck gun was a SxS 16 gauge from gramps, he grew up on Lake Huron water fowling, it was choked full and full, this was great until I was 18 and the steel shot mandate came in for water fowl...would not put steel down those pipes, so I took it in and had it opened to skeet 1 and skeet 2, it became a lovely upland gun and still is to this day, some 40 years later.
Don't forget that some places have restrictions on shot size. I know where I am, 71/2 is too small for upland game. The minimum allowed is 5 or 6. And now, it is true, some municipalities do not allow lead shot.
I grew up in the Dakotas during the peak of the pheasant prime and have shot well over 1000 roosters. I can assure you 12 gauge is the best. I usually use 3 inch 4 or 5 shot lead. Late season or hunting on WPA 3.5 inch 2 shot steel with an extended long range pattern master choke. On public land late season the birds are very jumpy.
I'm sure it's effective, but it's overkill. The classic walked-up pheasant cartridge in England has traditionally been 1 ounce of 7.5 lead shot (2.4 mm), through a cylinder or improved cylinder choke. You would be amazed at how well this combination works.
I like a 20 ga. over/under with two different loads for closer range and for longer range. I load my own and use 1 oz of #5 shot thru a light modified choke for close and a 3" mag with 1 1/4 oz of #4 for longer shots. My best year ever which was 2009, I killed 28 pheasants with 30 rounds. I missed my first two shots then calmed down and did it right and went 28 straight all dead when my dog brought them to me. I had a wonderful yellow lab I had to put down in 2019. She was the best bird dog I've ever had or even seen. I miss my Bella a lot.
Hi Ron, I was back in the UK last November (family bereavement) and went on a small pheasant shoot in Wiltshire where I used to be a beater as a kid (50 yrs ago). Then, as now, everybody uses 12 ga. I've probably seen 2 16 gauges in the entire time, both used by ladies. Everybody uses lead 6 shot but are going to steel 5 shot where lead is being phased out. Shot weight invariably 1.25 oz in 2.5 in or 2.75 in chambers. Everybody using under/overs, hardly see a side-by-side anymore. Had a great day - 48 birds including 6 partridge and some really high birds across the valleys. Not bad as it was the first shoot of the season.
Hull Cartridge Company put out a recent vid of a shoot in Yorkshire where Ed Solomons was testing and preferring their Fe#3 34g High Pheasant Extreme Mag load with the dissolvable Hydrowad. Handled the longer shots no problem.
Lol $3-$5 for TSS shells… more like $12-$15 each these days. Keep up the good work, I appreciate your wealth of knowledge and willingness to share it with others.
The best guage for hunting pheasants the last two seasons, are whatever guage you can find shells for. I have a Browning A5 Sweet 16, multiple 20 and 12 guages, and 3 .410's. 2020, there was zero shotshells available, only buck and slugs. Same in 2021, with the exception of 28 ga. So I bought a Beretta O/U 28 ga, and hunted quail and pheasant with a 28, because that is all I could find. Not a 28 guage fan, gotta say.
My observations on shot shells is that proper choke tube selection and speed kills over which gauge or even to a certain degree shot size. But most importantly a dog that loves to hunt!
Thx'z Ron for the video! I don't bird.hunt but 20 or so years ago I got 4 or 5 quail at one time with Peterbilt Gage! One oz shots nope more like 80000lbs shote that patterns like a slug lol
For reloaders out there, dont forget that an increase in velocity can bring you back down in steel pellet size. In my gun/chokes 1700 fps doesnt blow out the pattern and is quite effective. 1700 fps with 13/16 oz in a weighty 12g doesnt kick at all.
I'll throw my 2 cents in. I hunt public land, always do, never private. When I go on non-toxic properties, I use 3" 4 shot steel, when I am on CREP or WIAs, I use 2 3/4" 6 shot lead. I think the biggest thing that wasn't mentioned in this, is the shotgun you have. I have used my trusty 12 gauge 870 I got for my 12th bday. 30 years ago. Years of familiarity. Experiment, try different loads, what you do best with your muscle memory. Always love your videos Ron and knowledge. Thanks for all of that!
Mr. Spomer- I also use non-toxic shot almost all of the time; you never know when a duck may fly over! I stick with bismuth shot, since the harder non-toxics may cause damage to the older shotguns I use.
Yes, use what works for you, Robert, but know that barrel damage is largely over-stated. In all but a few old, classic double barrels, even the hardest steel loads should cause problems because plastic shot wads isolate shot from barrel. The remaining concern is bulging at the choke from large shot (#2 and larger) not squeezing down for easy passage. But heavy loads of chilled lead shot in tight chokes can cause barrel bulging, too.
Great video Ron, while i'd love to go on a Pheasent hunt, I'll be honest, i've never seen one here in the german woods. Though interestingly i just checked the hunting times, and male pheasents are open for three and a half month in my state, though you can't shoot something that doesnt exist. I may get a shotgun next year, though just for clay shooting, since 99% of hunting is done here with a rifle.
I just saw a pheasant in my suburban backyard, a couple of days ago, here in southern California. I took a picture with my cellphone, and later identified it as a ring necked pheasant. I think that they are doing better, as the raccoons, and possums are beginning to diminish. My girlfriends parents are from Hamburg and Frankfurt, so I tease her that she is half Hamburger and half Frankfurter.
A ban on lead is coming in the UK. Steel wounds game unless your shotgun can take 36g 4shot without destroying your barrel. Pellets like bullets work by flattening and dumping energy, steel doesn't flatten. Bismuth is fair, tungsten is fair. Heavy shot worked but they don't make now as it killed barrels. Lead has been used for years because it works.
I love watching all about shotguns and loads, etc... on UA-cam. Please keep the videos coming, you are a great asset for the shooter/Hunter/Marksman/Sportsman! Great video Ron an happy new year! Liked and shared!
Happy New Year!! Excellent video Ron!I am so glad you mentioned the power misconceptions most guys have about shotgun gauges. I have had those same debates several times with guys that really believe because a 12 is bigger than my 28 it must hit harder.As you said, yes and no. Same energy per pellet, but more pellets in the load would equal more energy in a bigger shell, but only if more of the pellets are landing than are from the smaller gauge. I am a huge 28 fan even tough I own 20, 16 and 12 gauge guns as well. Personally I have found much faster and more sure kills with 5's in my 28's than with 6's or 7.5's, but as I said, that's my personal experience. I use a couple different loads that have one ounce of shot in them so still enough 5's for a good pattern.Looking forwards to your videos upcoming on shotshells.
I use 3in mag #2 steel in both 20ga and 12ga if I'm hunting in an area I can get waterfowl as well. If I'm somewhere where I won't see waterfowl I take 20ga 2¾ 6 shot lead. I'm also in pa where it's farm birds released by the game commission so sometimes you can walk up and just hit them with the shotgun.
I live in Arkansas and the only birds I hunt are dove and quail. We are limited to 3 shots, but it doesn't matter if its lead or steel. I did get a ticket for not having my plug in my gun and got a ticket for $500. I mostly squirrel and rabbit hunt. For 28 I use 7/8 oz #6 and 50 yards is an easy kill. For 20 it's the same load and same distance. With 12 I use 1 oz #6 at the same range If I have my 11-48 with 30-inch full choke barrel I would say 60 yards to 75 yards for squirrels. All guns I use a full choke, I'm Shure people are going to call me on them ranges but that's fine. I had a friend bet me $20 that I couldn't break a clay he sat out at 100 yards, I put one in the 11-48 and broke it.
I hunt with my Grandfather's 11-48 16 gauge with full choke. You are right about reaching out there! before the steel shot mandate I hunted ducks using 7 1/2 lead and made long shots that were unbelievable! Many years ago my Brother in Law was visiting and he spotted a crow behind my house in the top of an oak and asked," how far is that crow"? I said I believed it was just over a hundred yards. Earlier I had showed him my 11-48, and had told him how far it would kill. He laughed and said I was crazy that it was too far. I had a few #6 and slipped one in and knocked that crow out of the tree. Using my range finder it measured 101 yards! I have a cousin that guides duck hunters in Arkansas and has invited me to come down. I'll make darn sure that I have a plug in my gun!!
Kansas pheasant season is open thru January 31 with a bag limit of four male birds. Possession limit is 16 birds. Recent changes in agricultural practices have limited the number of birds in my area of south central Kansas. As a young man hunting pheasants opening weekend was a big deal much like Pennsylvania’s deer season opening days. Every local business such as Coops and hardware stores carried several boxes of ammo for the hunters that ran out of shot shells. Many communities had hunters breakfasts as a fund raiser for local charities. Motel rooms were sold out a year in advance in prime pheasant areas. The state universities even recognized that attendance at home football games was reduced on opening Saturday. Lifelong relationships were formed by the the interaction between landowners and hunters. My go to load was #6 shot in a 12 gauge for the first weeks of the season due to the birds not being gun shy and the occasional covey of quail we might run into. After the birds had been hunted some I’d switch to #4 shot since the birds tended to flush at greater distances. I never had a bird dog so finding down birds became an art and clean kills were necessary. Pheasants would rather run than fly at times so we would use blockers much like a deer drive. Alternating the pace we’d walk thru cover helped to confuse the birds and they’d flush within gun range. The best part of pheasant hunting was my mom made a delicious barbecued baked pheasant dinner for my hunting friends to celebrate another successful season.
I'd like to hunt pheasants, but where I live I've seen 3-4 in 40 years. Grouse aren't much better 8-10 in the same time. Might be worth a weekend trip to South Dakota for birds.
When I hunted fowl, I mostly used a 20 gauge, I took everything from quail and dove to giant specie Canadian geese with that gun. I never used shot bigger than size four birdshot, number fives seemed to be the sweet spot for waterfowl. That was in California back in the early seventies when life was good there. I left in 1990 and never regretted the move , I have hunted very little game birds since then…. None for the last 30 years or so.
20 gauge 3" 1 1/4 oz. #5 shot works on pheasant and chukar. Recoil in a lightweight shotgun isn't any worse than a 12, but it carries a lot easier and that's becoming a lot more important as I get older.
That's easy, Adam. Bismuth. And light loads if you want to be extra cautious. Steel damages old/weak barrels because heavy charges of large shot sizes don't squeeze down easily at choke constrictions. Like two people shoulder to shoulder trying to squeeze through a door. Smaller pellets more easily shift fore and aft to reduce the charge column diameter. Barrels bulge at the start of the choke. Some doubles separate at the solder joint. Wall scouring isn't a problem with modern, heavy protective shot cups.
Great info an vid. My boy an I recently we’ll back in September got a GSP goes for training in March so we got the #1 piece of the puzzle but you said 16ga I recently dove in to 16ga I bought a slick old bolt 16 for just tinkering around in woods for squirrels, rabbits, crows etc I liked it so much I wanted a 16ga bird gun I found an old Ithaca 37 16ga with solid rubbed barrel an mod choke an it’s beat my 20ga bps upland special out of primary bird gun. Have a happy new year 👍🏼
I did a lot of waterfowl hunting here in Florida. We had a lot of teal in this area with mottled duck, hybrids and some pintails. I first used a 12 gauge and then switched to a 3" 20 gauge. I found the 3" 20 gauge to be very effective while being fast handling and low recoil. The last few years I only use the 20 semi-auto and am not looking back. I am only using 12 gauge for turkeys and those are 3.5 magnum loads.
My grandmother is from South Dakota and when my grandpa married her he fell head over heels for pheasant. He’s gone now but there is still a bird mounted in a beautiful case in the house.
I would love some videos on shotguns a lot of people seem to miss understand what generates velocity in their guns its not the amount of powder per say its the pressure generated from the barrel powder and payload combination
Yes, quantity of powder, burning rate of powder, weight of shot payload, tightness of chamber, type of primer all contribute. Even external temperature plays a role.
I wish I could go bird hunting with your Ron, that is my favorite thing to do! Used to love shooting quail when I was young. We did not have Pheasants where I grew up, but I bet it is great! I love the .20ga as well. If you like a lighter gun that can still get it done. Give me a side by side with an improved cylinder and modified and lets roll! I might need to go modified and full now, not quite as quick as I used to be!
* Stick with the mod. and full, particularly if you are not shooting over a good pointing dog. You can always wait out a bird that flushes close unless you're hunting with game hog, then just shoot them in the head if that shot presents itself. I find no.4 or 5 size shot to be much better than no. 6 for anchoring those tough wild bred pheasants. Those birds can really soak up the shot so a good retriever is necessary. IMO.
When I was a kid we hunted pheasant every year. I always used a 20 gauge and never had a problem dropping anything. My dad and brother used 12 but I always wanted to try a 16. I think that would be nice. I’m older now but I came back from a hunting trip, went back to school and realized I had a pocket full of shotgun shells. Wasn’t a big deal back then but could you imagine if a kid came to school today with a pocket of shells. Boy someone is going to jail
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I've been a little stumped with finding nontoxic upland loads, so really appreciate the introduction and look forward to further discussions on the topic!
After two duck seasons now with the Boss bismuth shells I won’t go back to steel if non-toxic shot is required. The 2 3/4” #4 shells carry 1 1/4oz just like almost 3” steel loads. And it hits duck harder. I’ve even shot the #5 12ga and 20ga at ducks with good results. I just purchased a case of #5 for my 16ga to use on ducks, pheasants, and I’ll even try for a turkey with it!
Agree with you on carrying non-toxic. In Alberta we can still use lead for upland. But waterfowl is all non-toxic. So when I am walking areas for pheasant and grouse we are often in areas for small puddle ducks. If I am carrying lead, can’t shoot the ducks.
Back in the 80's , there was a gun writer who really knew his stuff on shot-shell ballistics ( this was before steel shot was mandatory for waterfowl , I think) and what I know on the subject is from his writings . Don Zutz was his name and he was the shooting editor at Fur-Fish and Game , he was one of my favorites .
I primarily hunt with my 20g. I do use 3 to 4 shot 3” steel with consistent luck. But I also shoot waterfowl so I keep it simple since it is illegal to carry lead and steel at the same time in Colorado. I did buy a 12g this year cause the 20g ammo was getting hard to find. The other reason I do use 8shot 2 3/4” for my dove and quail. I do this so I know what what is steel and lead for no confusion
i have every one of the shotguns you speak of my go to gun has been my wingmaster 28ga. i've used it for everything from skeet to turkey ..with a high brass #5 shot in a full choke barrel or a mod.barrel when wingshooting ..it's never failed me in bringing down what i'm aiming at....nice and light with just enough to get the job done and not destroy what i'm shooting at...of course this is keeping my shots within a reasonable range too....ok ok ok i'm a gun nut and i hunt with them all...some guns just feel and shoot better than others what can i say?????
Killed my first pheasants with grandpa's old Ithaca 37 in 20 gauge. Did the job well, I've long since bought my own 12 gauge but a local gun shop has had a Winchester M12 in 16 Gauge on the shelf for a long time I'm considering picking up.
Yeah man that tungsten is hard on the pocketbook... That said the Federal TSS shells are like lightning and will reach out and touch them far birds. Only thing I shoot those at is turkeys everything else I shoot steel or lead. Only birds we have to hunt down here in Louisiana is waterfowl, turkeys, dove, quail, and woodcock. I've never been pheasant hunting before but it's definitely on my to do list at some point. Only problem is every time I travel to hunt it's to go chase moose, elk, and mule deer. I need to set aside a year in the future to go make a some of these upland bird and waterfowl hunts I've always wanted to do. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Moose and elk hunts are an acceptable excuse for missing a pheasant hunt. Ideally you'll find time for both. When kids, we hunted ducks at dawn, switched to pheasants at 10 AM (opening hour,) then bow hunted whitetails or stalked fox squirrels in the evening. Full day action.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors That sounds awesome man.. I try to set aside enough money and time off of work every year for a couple of week long hunting trips up north because living down in SW Louisiana I've got a good drive or flight to get anywheres with moose, elk, and mule deer or even to go chase the monster white tails yall have up north. Fortunately I have family in Alaska and Colorado so I can kill 2 birds with 1 stone... I get to hunt moose and elk and I get to spend about a week in the woods with family that I grew up hunting with since we were kids so it's a win win. Crazy enough though up until a couple years ago they use to have a big tower in the center of a big field by where I live now that the old timers would go "hunt" pheasant. I use the word hunt very loosely because it involved a guy in the tower releasing pheasant and the old timers surrounding the tower shooting them. LOL Ive never seen it done just heard the stories and the only reason I believe it is because I've actually jumped a couple of the ones that made it hunting the woods near that tower and know of a few other people jumping them as well. They're such a cool looking bird and just the couple I've jumped in the woods is what's made me want to go hunt them. Happy New Year to you and your family!!!
I never hunted... the dog did. My job was to follow her and knock down what she put up. 28 ga skeet loads with 3/4 oz #6. Easy job since I was a skeet shooter, loaded my own, and could hit a target. On the rare occasion when I missed, the dog would watch it fly away and turn and look at me like I was stupid. I miss those days.
I grew up in SoDak. You are right about South Dakota pheasants. My first pheasant was shot with a 410, 48 years ago. I'll never forget hunting pheasants with my dad, grandpa and uncles. My mom and sisters also liked hunting pheasants. Peasant hunting in South Dakota is magical. The corn stalks are golden. There is frost in the morning and warm sun in the afternoon. At the end of the day all the guys are in a circle cleaning birds. There were a lot of them. The 10 year old (me) is trying to imagine which is the one I shot. That kind of experience changes one. As a child I was taught and expected to be responsible with a gun. I was expected to be respectful in the company of men. You grow up differently than you do with video games.
So cringe 🤦♂️ My teen son has a ps4 and is at least as responsible , safe and respectful … respectful to all people around him as you. He’s also a state champ wrestler , captain of the football and wrestling team and an accomplished hunter and fisherman.. you got nothing on him, or his buddies… and to top it off he doesn’t come on comment sections and try to convince everyone how much better he is than the younger guys. You guy always try to make yourselves look better as if the year of your birth automatically makes you a better person. Our (yours and mine.. I’m 58) generation left a steaming pile of shit for our kids and grandkids to clean up… don’t ever forget that.. but it obviously make you feel good about yourself to constantly compliment yourself so by all means carry on.
I bet your grandson who plays Call Of Duty is a better shot than you are ;-)
@@brandenlikesbeerMy GrandDAUGHTER does. She doesn't play video games.
16 ga, model 12 Winchester using Winchester Super X #6 shot with a full choke.
I shot that combo for pheasant, ducks and
geese. It's all that was needed!
I have my grandpas Winchester model 1897 16 gauge. Also have a Remington model 31 in 16 gauge. Both made in the 40s. Love them both.
I switched from the 12 to the 20 about 15 years ago, and absolutely love it. It's much more comfortable to carry the lighter shotgun. About half of the places I hunt require non tox shot, so I just switched over for all hunting. I've had wonderful results with Federal Black Cloud with flight control in #4 shot.
Try Boss shotshells bismuth out of the 20ga. It’ll make that black cloud look like a joke.
I took my 20ga with 3” boss #5 duck hunting this year and it hits mallards like they ran into a brick wall.
Same to me had have 12GA shot through it 20K rounds and tied about weight and recoil. Switched to 20GA and I am happy, less powder and shot to reload, less box of ammo. But result the same. 12GA this is advertisement of ammo manufactures they do for Army 12GA and cheaper to sell and made it to usual hunters. And I believe they hate the others gauges :)
#5 lead always worked well for me with birds and squirrels and rabbits in a 12 gauge with a full choke.
From the other side of the pond I’ve gotta say I enjoy these reviews.
I’m not even a hunter but I do enjoy shooting and my 2A rights. Ron just reminds me of friendly neighbors from years past who were hunters and firearm enthusiasts, just good people and relaxing to listen to. Much appreciated.
We have some fantastic pheasant hunting here in eastern Montana.
My younger brother and I are fans of the 16 gauge. The sxs Fox is a great pheasant gun in the 16 ga. I we have lots of other shotguns in lots of different gauges but the 16 is a very good choice for pheasant. A plus is that the 16 gauge guns tend to be cheaper at gun shows because no one seems to really want them. Everyone wants a 20 or a 12.
I think you're right about that, I found a Stevens 16 GA. Western Field 30 in a pretty high flow gun shop that had been sitting on the shelf for 8 months,
300 bucks, its mine now.
Went to another gun store asking if they had any 16 GA. shells, guy there told me to hang it up on my wall and get a 12 GA. I guess people just don't really want them.
Inherited my 16gauge single shot springfield stevens bought a another one 94c my dad's is 94b
A 16 is a wonderful cartridge but sadly overlooked.
Wow this caused me to take a trip back in time through my mind. The family farms have all but disappeared where I live but in my younger years we had good bird hunting on the local farmland. I used my Ithaca M37 12 gauge with 1-1/4 oz of #6 shot for pheasant. I can't recall the last time I bagged a ringneck, it's been that long ago. I just never found the time to travel for bird hunting. Thanks for the trip down memory lane though. Have a Happy New Year all!
It certainly does make me sad too hear in my home state of Virginia Bob whites grew up with Bird dogs don't remember there never being one around
#6 1 1/4 oz modified choke my favorite all around pheasant load-usually the green Remingtons Express but Federal or Super x are good too.
What state are you in? I’m in western NY, we used to have endless fields of pheasants but now the fields are gone and it’s housing subdivisions as far as one can see 🙁
@@ryane6719 Very sad state of affairs. I knew some folks who used to hunt where you live. I grew up in the Catskills. Despite the terrain we had dairy farms and eggs farms for miles at one time. The silage corn fields were loaded with game birds and fur bearers. Mostly just a memory now. ;(
@@hillbillyscholar8126 We’ve started getting Black bears again though.. and a few mountain lions on trail cams.
I'm a 16 gage fan. Got my grandfather's an always loved it. It does everything Goldilocks.
Same, browning sweet 16
Same I have my grandfather's 1100 16 gauge sweet shooting shotgun. It does everything I need it to, I also have his h&r 10 gauge and two 12 gauges.
All of my small game hunting that I can use lead I think the 16 gauge is the way to go. Ducks and up I shoot a 12.
Me too! Light and handy, but just as effective on rabbits and pheasants as the 12.
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I recently went to central oregon for pheasants and chuckers. Two of the four of us used 28ga over/under with 5 shot. Deadly. The 12 guys blew a few birds to mush. We were not handicapped at all.
As a novice, this was very helpful.
16 bore owner from England 🏴 👍
As a kid in Northern Iowa I remember that many people used to carry a shotgun in the trunk for the numerous corn field pheasants.
Pheasant hunting is the apex upland hunting experience. I hunted both North and South Dakota this year, and it was awesome.
I love upland hunting, finally, you are giving me some love... I'm really not a fan of hiking a 300lbs elk around but, a delicious well-recipied phesant... now you're in my wheelhouse.
You know what? I'm French but you're the one guy that gave me the will to get my hunting permit...
Maybe in a year or two...
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My buddies and I use alot Fiocchi, and use either modified choke or Improved cylinder, here in Kansas. I used my Dads ol J.C Higgins 12 ga. pump with the ol Powr Pak choke system this fall. A lot of fun and a lot good memories with that gun!
You talking about the model 20 JC Higgins 😊it is a Great gun in 12 gauge . My daddy gave me his 😊very smooth and fast 😊
Well, don’t know about you all, but I learned a lot here. Thanks, Ron. I think there is a lot to be said for non-toxic. Plus, that feeling of biting into a led 7 1/2 pellet is, well, problematic.
Ron, thanks for such high quality information!
My pleasure! Hope it helped.
I have a .410 side by side, 16ga ithica model 37, several 12ga and an over under 28ga. I have not touched my other shotguns since getting my 28. I have killed several limits of geese and ducks with my 28. I absolutely love it!
What loads are you using? Obviously availability of different loads is limited right now but biggest shot I can find is #5. I’d imagine you’d need bigger to drop geese with the payload of a 28ga.
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I'm using Hevi Steel, 5/8 oz. #4 shot going 1350fps I've had a case on order for over a year now so I'm having to use my 12ga this year. I'm going to pick up a 28ga reloader and start rolling my own.
I would not have any problem using number 5 shot on geese. In fact that's what I would use if the hevi steel came in it. What loads are you finding with number 5 steel?
I used #5 shot here in Central NY. And you would almost have to step on them to get them in the air. Talk about being startled a bit.
Have a happy new year.
I’ve been enjoying a weatherby sa-08 in 28 gauge for lots of upland hunting. It’s also been the most easily available shotgun ammunition to pick up throughout the shortage
Do you know you can load those 28g shells with a pair of .454 round cap and ball bullets with the same exact payload so no over pressures? I mean, keeping the original powder and wad but changing the birdshot for the balls. Wonderful as a home defense ammo to be used by kids and women.
I’ve hunted upland birds for well over 35 years now.
I always started the season out with 2 3/4” #6 12 gauge loads, mid season, as the birds become “educated”, I’d switch over to loads called 4x6 12 gauge 2 3/4”, when I could find them that is, and id buy as many as I could afford when I did find em, they were a mixture of #4 and #6 shot, late season I switched to 3” #5s.
Then, the copper plated loads became available.
My favorites were Fiocchi copper plated lead #6 shot.
I began using them all season long. With my Benelli 12 gauge Montefeltro, with a cylinder choke, it simply didn’t matter. The gun just patterned the best with that load and that choke. Early season 2 3:4” late season 3”, and those copper plated #6 shot sliced through them birds like butter. I’ve found exit wounds in some birds, and very little feathers in the wounds themselves.
That copper plated shot sure was a game changer for me. Super deadly and worth the money.
Sadly I lost my huntin partner, my old GSP Boo. Miss that ol boy immensely, and haven’t been able to find a dog like that since. I’ve been through 2 since he passed, Jack, who was 12 years old when he passed, and now ol Dott, who was supposed to be a hunter, but turned into mamas lap dog, spoiled as all get out, and refuses to hunt, especially when it’s cold and wet. The best time to go.
She just will not do it.
Damm. And here I am, 1 year older every year and having to honor the commitment I made when I bought her lol. I’ve NEVER turned my back on a dog I bought, and got rid of them when they didn’t turn out. I keep them because that’s the commitment we make when we make them a part of the fam.
So keeping my fingers crossed the next one turns out because it’ll most likely be my last, I ain’t no “spring chicken” any more.
Good luck out in the fields guys, sure wish I could go too haha
Shot my first pheasant with a 20 gauge. I was about 15. Hunting rabbits with beagles. Thought my maker was coming when that roster took off. Not sure who was more confused me or that beagle. Billy was off to my right and he was packing a 16. I remember I was eating hard candy and it was the longest two seconds of my life trying to get that hammer back on that 20 gauge with wet fingers after digging around in my mouth on that rock candy. Great topic as always thanks.
Love my 16 and 28. I load #7 shot and it just crushes upland birds! 😉😉😉
I have hunted Ruffed Grouse in Central and Northern Ontario for decades. I preferred a 3" 20 gauge with #6 shot.
I hit Platte, SD every year for pheasant opening weekend. Great hunting! And the Pheasants Forever banquet is outstanding.
The Platte area is usually outstanding. I dated a gal whose dad had a big farm there and I almost married her just for the hunting!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Is she still available!?!?! Just kidding. I’m happily married to a gal who becomes a virtual “widow” in the fall/winter due to football & hunting and doesn’t seem to mind.
I started out with 12ga O/U, but ended up on being a dedicated 28ga SxS. The SxS points more naturally for me because the barrels lay much lower in my support hand, and it doesn't get tiresome shooting 28ga all day the way it does with 12ga for me personally.
The 28 gauge is SO overlooked because it is such a great cartridge. Totally agree with you!
Back in the day I used to hunt in the morning on the way to school. Get an hour or so in walking the local fields, speed to school, quick change in the parking lot, and barely make the first class by the bell. Looking back I had no idea how lucky I was to be able to experience that. Hunting pheasants solo was not easy but damned exciting when they took off near you. That is an experience you wont forget. 12g and 6 shot lead. Back then, lead was the only choice.
As usual, North Dakota gets short shrift when it comes to pheasants. That's ok, more for us then! 😃
The 28 ga punches way above its weight class. Have killed wild roosters dead in the air @ 50yds with mine. Also love the 16 ga. My Franchi Instinct SL weighs 5.8 lbs. Kills like a 12, carries like a 20.
Thanks, Ron!
I tried keeping ND a secret for you, Luvta.
Clean fence rows ( lack of cover), chisel plowing before winter, and overuse of pesticide/herbicide, have eliminated gamebirds in The NUT-SO-GREAT STATE of ILLINOIS. Happy to see South Dakota has it together.
Yes, those things and overall "clean" farming. Disturbed ground. If it's growing a crop it's plowed or disced or chiseled or sprayed a few times each year. If it's hay it's cut and baled. By winter there is little or no cover. Rural Illinois looks like a more expansive suburb than any wild lands. Disturbed nesting grounds, naked wintering grounds. Bye bye.
Right on Ron. One can certainly get a lot of work done with a 20gauge and a 7/8 oz load at 1200 -1250 fps! Quality shot and wad make it a lot easier. 😊
What little experience I have on Pheasants, my really old Model 12 16 gauge with full choke and plain, non-rib barrel, just hammers them. It's pitted from decades of storage neglect, but it's a bird hammer.
I did a guided pheasant hunt with 3 inch high brass 5 shot out of my workhorse Mossberg 500 and I was so beat up by the end of the day. Next time I’m taking my 20 gauge Bakail side by side with high brass 6 shot. I know it’s a Russian junk shotgun but the barrel are regulated perfectly somehow and I don’t cringe when if it gets some snow, rain, or mud on it. I like having that tighter choke on my second shot out if my left barrel and I like bit leaving a mess by losing shells in brush.
Rhodesia, another option is to just shoot a lighter load in your 12 ga. One-ounce from a 12 ga. kicks no more than 1 ounce from a 20 ga. if MV and gun weight are the same.
I used to use 1 1/4 oz 4 from 12ga but 1 oz 5 from 20ga really isn't bad and less recoil as I'm aging isn't a bad thing
I have used 10, 12, 16, 20 and .410. 20 ga. is sufficient for anything short of turkey and water fowl. And I have taken turkey and duck with 20 ga. My go to is an old model 12 in 16 ga. Harder to find 16 ga. shells. 12 ga. will do for anything, but can be overkill for small game.
But whatever works best for you is what you use.
20ga makes for a fantastic turkey and waterfowl load, all though due to pattern densities/ pellet count you’ll want to keep shooting ranges a little closer. I shot my biggest turkey with a 20ga a few years ago. Shot a limit of ducks this season with my 20ga and my little brother almost exclusively shoots 20ga for ducks. And we have bagged well over 100 ducks this year. And a lot of big ducks like mallards and gadwall, not just small teal.
I will say that steel loads for waterfowl out of a 20ga aren’t great, but we’ve been using Boss the past 2 seasons with great success. And using the tungsten Boss loads for turkey. With the Boss 3” 20ga #5 it’s got 1 1/8oz of shot which is the same payload weight as nearly all 2 3/4” and many 3” 12ga steel load offerings. So you’re getting identical performance between the two gauges given the 20ga is choked appropriately to throw an even pattern.
I always thought that #5 shot would be too big for a pheasant, but if that bird is flying away at 45 yards using a 20 gauge you'll need a shot load too knock him down! Thanks for the update information!
As a kid on the farm (in Iowa), I took a good many pheasants with a single shot .410. Then went bigtime and bought a Win. Model 12 in 16 ga.
I think we could all do well to appreciate the 28 gauge more. Lightweight but still plenty of pellets to get the job done. I really want one, but finding ammo can be tricky and it seems to be more expensive when you do find it.
Luckily Boss shotshells is making their loads for the 28ga so there is a quality offering for hunting. And I’ve seen some 28 target ammo popping up for sale on MidwayUSA through this whole ammo crisis
I have not had any problem getting 28ga in my area. I have however had a case of steel #4 on order for months now.
I like the 28 gauge a lot. I'm a dedicated 16 gauge man first, but I do love & appreciate the 28 gauge.
My first duck gun was a SxS 16 gauge from gramps, he grew up on Lake Huron water fowling, it was choked full and full, this was great until I was 18 and the steel shot mandate came in for water fowl...would not put steel down those pipes, so I took it in and had it opened to skeet 1 and skeet 2, it became a lovely upland gun and still is to this day, some 40 years later.
My grandpa had a browning 16 that was nice and light. I've been using a 20 or 40 years.
Don't forget that some places have restrictions on shot size. I know where I am, 71/2 is too small for upland game. The minimum allowed is 5 or 6. And now, it is true, some municipalities do not allow lead shot.
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Happy new year!
I grew up in the Dakotas during the peak of the pheasant prime and have shot well over 1000 roosters. I can assure you 12 gauge is the best. I usually use 3 inch 4 or 5 shot lead. Late season or hunting on WPA 3.5 inch 2 shot steel with an extended long range pattern master choke. On public land late season the birds are very jumpy.
I'm sure it's effective, but it's overkill. The classic walked-up pheasant cartridge in England has traditionally been 1 ounce of 7.5 lead shot (2.4 mm), through a cylinder or improved cylinder choke.
You would be amazed at how well this combination works.
I like a 20 ga. over/under with two different loads for closer range and for longer range. I load my own and use 1 oz of #5 shot thru a light modified choke for close and a 3" mag with 1 1/4 oz of #4 for longer shots. My best year ever which was 2009, I killed 28 pheasants with 30 rounds. I missed my first two shots then calmed down and did it right and went 28 straight all dead when my dog brought them to me. I had a wonderful yellow lab I had to put down in 2019. She was the best bird dog I've ever had or even seen. I miss my Bella a lot.
Sorry about your dog. Terrible loss when a good bird dog goes.
Hi Ron, I was back in the UK last November (family bereavement) and went on a small pheasant shoot in Wiltshire where I used to be a beater as a kid (50 yrs ago). Then, as now, everybody uses 12 ga. I've probably seen 2 16 gauges in the entire time, both used by ladies. Everybody uses lead 6 shot but are going to steel 5 shot where lead is being phased out. Shot weight invariably 1.25 oz in 2.5 in or 2.75 in chambers. Everybody using under/overs, hardly see a side-by-side anymore. Had a great day - 48 birds including 6 partridge and some really high birds across the valleys. Not bad as it was the first shoot of the season.
Those driven hunts really teach one how to shoot! I'm a bit surprised they find #5 steel pellets adequate beyond about 35 yards.
Hull Cartridge Company put out a recent vid of a shoot in Yorkshire where Ed Solomons was testing and preferring their Fe#3 34g High Pheasant Extreme Mag load with the dissolvable Hydrowad. Handled the longer shots no problem.
A great video - thank you!
Lol $3-$5 for TSS shells… more like $12-$15 each these days. Keep up the good work, I appreciate your wealth of knowledge and willingness to share it with others.
The best guage for hunting pheasants the last two seasons, are whatever guage you can find shells for. I have a Browning A5 Sweet 16, multiple 20 and 12 guages, and 3 .410's.
2020, there was zero shotshells available, only buck and slugs. Same in 2021, with the exception of 28 ga. So I bought a Beretta O/U 28 ga, and hunted quail and pheasant with a 28, because that is all I could find.
Not a 28 guage fan, gotta say.
My observations on shot shells is that proper choke tube selection and speed kills over which gauge or even to a certain degree shot size. But most importantly a dog that loves to hunt!
Upland hunting is one the Highlits every year for me!👍 I like the 16 ga but I'm thinking of getting my self a 28 ga!
Thx'z Ron for the video!
I don't bird.hunt but 20 or so years ago I got 4 or 5 quail at one time with Peterbilt Gage! One oz shots nope more like 80000lbs shote that patterns like a slug lol
Pretty expensive shotgun!
Thanks, Ron
For reloaders out there, dont forget that an increase in velocity can bring you back down in steel pellet size. In my gun/chokes 1700 fps doesnt blow out the pattern and is quite effective. 1700 fps with 13/16 oz in a weighty 12g doesnt kick at all.
You make a difference, thanks and looking forward to 2022
I'll throw my 2 cents in. I hunt public land, always do, never private. When I go on non-toxic properties, I use 3" 4 shot steel, when I am on CREP or WIAs, I use 2 3/4" 6 shot lead. I think the biggest thing that wasn't mentioned in this, is the shotgun you have. I have used my trusty 12 gauge 870 I got for my 12th bday. 30 years ago. Years of familiarity. Experiment, try different loads, what you do best with your muscle memory. Always love your videos Ron and knowledge. Thanks for all of that!
Im doing mostly 20 gauge now that I'm older and appreciate it quite a bit SX4 Waterfowl Hunter for this year feel great in the hands a points well.
Mr. Spomer- I also use non-toxic shot almost all of the time; you never know when a duck may fly over! I stick with bismuth shot, since the harder non-toxics may cause damage to the older shotguns I use.
Yes, use what works for you, Robert, but know that barrel damage is largely over-stated. In all but a few old, classic double barrels, even the hardest steel loads should cause problems because plastic shot wads isolate shot from barrel. The remaining concern is bulging at the choke from large shot (#2 and larger) not squeezing down for easy passage. But heavy loads of chilled lead shot in tight chokes can cause barrel bulging, too.
Great video Ron, while i'd love to go on a Pheasent hunt, I'll be honest, i've never seen one here in the german woods. Though interestingly i just checked the hunting times, and male pheasents are open for three and a half month in my state, though you can't shoot something that doesnt exist. I may get a shotgun next year, though just for clay shooting, since 99% of hunting is done here with a rifle.
I just saw a pheasant in my suburban backyard, a couple of days ago, here in southern California. I took a picture with my cellphone, and later identified it as a ring necked pheasant. I think that they are doing better, as the raccoons, and possums are beginning to diminish. My girlfriends parents are from Hamburg and Frankfurt, so I tease her that she is half Hamburger and half Frankfurter.
A ban on lead is coming in the UK. Steel wounds game unless your shotgun can take 36g 4shot without destroying your barrel. Pellets like bullets work by flattening and dumping energy, steel doesn't flatten. Bismuth is fair, tungsten is fair. Heavy shot worked but they don't make now as it killed barrels. Lead has been used for years because it works.
I love watching all about shotguns and loads, etc... on UA-cam. Please keep the videos coming, you are a great asset for the shooter/Hunter/Marksman/Sportsman!
Great video Ron an happy new year!
Liked and shared!
My Dad use to take me out to Tulare County Pheasant Hunting here in CA. back in the early 60tys and we would get 4 or 5 back then.
Happy New Year!! Excellent video Ron!I am so glad you mentioned the power misconceptions most guys have about shotgun gauges. I have had those same debates several times with guys that really believe because a 12 is bigger than my 28 it must hit harder.As you said, yes and no. Same energy per pellet, but more pellets in the load would equal more energy in a bigger shell, but only if more of the pellets are landing than are from the smaller gauge. I am a huge 28 fan even tough I own 20, 16 and 12 gauge guns as well. Personally I have found much faster and more sure kills with 5's in my 28's than with 6's or 7.5's, but as I said, that's my personal experience. I use a couple different loads that have one ounce of shot in them so still enough 5's for a good pattern.Looking forwards to your videos upcoming on shotshells.
It would be interesting to see what you find not only pattern wise but maybe length of shot stream between bore sizes and shot Charge weight and size
When hinting over a pointer I like the 28ga. with #7 1/2 shot. With a flushing dog I go with 20, or 12ga. with #6 or #5 shot.
All hand loads.
I use 3in mag #2 steel in both 20ga and 12ga if I'm hunting in an area I can get waterfowl as well. If I'm somewhere where I won't see waterfowl I take 20ga 2¾ 6 shot lead. I'm also in pa where it's farm birds released by the game commission so sometimes you can walk up and just hit them with the shotgun.
I live in Arkansas and the only birds I hunt are dove and quail. We are limited to 3 shots, but it doesn't matter if its lead or steel. I did get a ticket for not having my plug in my gun and got a ticket for $500. I mostly squirrel and rabbit hunt. For 28 I use 7/8 oz #6 and 50 yards is an easy kill. For 20 it's the same load and same distance. With 12 I use 1 oz #6 at the same range If I have my 11-48 with 30-inch full choke barrel I would say 60 yards to 75 yards for squirrels. All guns I use a full choke, I'm Shure people are going to call me on them ranges but that's fine. I had a friend bet me $20 that I couldn't break a clay he sat out at 100 yards, I put one in the 11-48 and broke it.
I hunt with my Grandfather's 11-48 16 gauge with full choke. You are right about reaching out there! before the steel shot mandate I hunted ducks using 7 1/2 lead and made long shots that were unbelievable! Many years ago my Brother in Law was visiting and he spotted a crow behind my house in the top of an oak and asked," how far
is that crow"? I said I believed it was just over a hundred yards. Earlier I had showed him my 11-48, and had told him how far it would kill. He laughed and said I was crazy that it was too far. I had a few #6 and slipped one in and knocked that crow out of the tree. Using my range finder it measured 101 yards! I have a cousin that guides duck hunters in Arkansas and has invited me to come down. I'll make darn sure that I have a plug in my gun!!
Another great video. Thanks Ron. :-)
Very welcome
Ron is the best! I’ve been wanting a 16 gage. My dad a 1100 in 16ga & sold it for $300. Right out from under me :(
Man that sucks been pooking for one too! My dad sold his pre 64 mode 70 in 270 out from me too!
Kansas pheasant season is open thru January 31 with a bag limit of four male birds. Possession limit is 16 birds. Recent changes in agricultural practices have limited the number of birds in my area of south central Kansas. As a young man hunting pheasants opening weekend was a big deal much like Pennsylvania’s deer season opening days. Every local business such as Coops and hardware stores carried several boxes of ammo for the hunters that ran out of shot shells. Many communities had hunters breakfasts as a fund raiser for local charities. Motel rooms were sold out a year in advance in prime pheasant areas. The state universities even recognized that attendance at home football games was reduced on opening Saturday. Lifelong relationships were formed by the the interaction between landowners and hunters. My go to load was #6 shot in a 12 gauge for the first weeks of the season due to the birds not being gun shy and the occasional covey of quail we might run into. After the birds had been hunted some I’d switch to #4 shot since the birds tended to flush at greater distances. I never had a bird dog so finding down birds became an art and clean kills were necessary. Pheasants would rather run than fly at times so we would use blockers much like a deer drive. Alternating the pace we’d walk thru cover helped to confuse the birds and they’d flush within gun range. The best part of pheasant hunting was my mom made a delicious barbecued baked pheasant dinner for my hunting friends to celebrate another successful season.
Just like in SD where I grew up, Bruce. What a wonderful rural tradition. Thanks for sharing.
Pennsylvania deer season!
I'd like to hunt pheasants, but where I live I've seen 3-4 in 40 years. Grouse aren't much better 8-10 in the same time. Might be worth a weekend trip to South Dakota for birds.
When I hunted fowl, I mostly used a 20 gauge, I took everything from quail and dove to giant specie Canadian geese with that gun. I never used shot bigger than size four birdshot, number fives seemed to be the sweet spot for waterfowl. That was in California back in the early seventies when life was good there. I left in 1990 and never regretted the move , I have hunted very little game birds since then…. None for the last 30 years or so.
20 gauge 3" 1 1/4 oz. #5 shot works on pheasant and chukar. Recoil in a lightweight shotgun isn't any worse than a 12, but it carries a lot easier and that's becoming a lot more important as I get older.
5.5# 20 or 28 for chukar!
That means you switch to the 28.
Ron - Would you do an episode on shot options for older guns that cannot use steel? That would be great.
That's easy, Adam. Bismuth. And light loads if you want to be extra cautious. Steel damages old/weak barrels because heavy charges of large shot sizes don't squeeze down easily at choke constrictions. Like two people shoulder to shoulder trying to squeeze through a door. Smaller pellets more easily shift fore and aft to reduce the charge column diameter. Barrels bulge at the start of the choke. Some doubles separate at the solder joint. Wall scouring isn't a problem with modern, heavy protective shot cups.
Great info an vid. My boy an I recently we’ll back in September got a GSP goes for training in March so we got the #1 piece of the puzzle but you said 16ga I recently dove in to 16ga I bought a slick old bolt 16 for just tinkering around in woods for squirrels, rabbits, crows etc I liked it so much I wanted a 16ga bird gun I found an old Ithaca 37 16ga with solid rubbed barrel an mod choke an it’s beat my 20ga bps upland special out of primary bird gun. Have a happy new year 👍🏼
I did a lot of waterfowl hunting here in Florida. We had a lot of teal in this area with mottled duck, hybrids and some pintails. I first used a 12 gauge and then switched to a 3" 20 gauge. I found the 3" 20 gauge to be very effective while being fast handling and low recoil. The last few years I only use the 20 semi-auto and am not looking back. I am only using 12 gauge for turkeys and those are 3.5 magnum loads.
Correction those "3.5's" are technically (super magnums).... the 3in are (Magnum loads).
Thanks Ron! Look forward to more on shotgun/shot shells. Me thinks ballistics for scatter guns has some complexities that need to be explored.
Thanks Ron, good information. 👍
You are very welcome
My grandmother is from South Dakota and when my grandpa married her he fell head over heels for pheasant. He’s gone now but there is still a bird mounted in a beautiful case in the house.
I would love some videos on shotguns a lot of people seem to miss understand what generates velocity in their guns its not the amount of powder per say its the pressure generated from the barrel powder and payload combination
Yes, quantity of powder, burning rate of powder, weight of shot payload, tightness of chamber, type of primer all contribute. Even external temperature plays a role.
I wish I could go bird hunting with your Ron, that is my favorite thing to do! Used to love shooting quail when I was young. We did not have Pheasants where I grew up, but I bet it is great! I love the .20ga as well. If you like a lighter gun that can still get it done. Give me a side by side with an improved cylinder and modified and lets roll! I might need to go modified and full now, not quite as quick as I used to be!
Stick with IC and Mod, Zechar.
* Stick with the mod. and full, particularly if you are not shooting over a good pointing dog. You can always wait out a bird that flushes close unless you're hunting with game hog, then just shoot them in the head if that shot presents itself. I find no.4 or 5 size shot to be much better than no. 6 for anchoring those tough wild bred pheasants. Those birds can really soak up the shot so a good retriever is necessary. IMO.
When I was a kid we hunted pheasant every year. I always used a 20 gauge and never had a problem dropping anything. My dad and brother used 12 but I always wanted to try a 16. I think that would be nice. I’m older now but I came back from a hunting trip, went back to school and realized I had a pocket full of shotgun shells. Wasn’t a big deal back then but could you imagine if a kid came to school today with a pocket of shells. Boy someone is going to jail
Another great video Ron, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I've been a little stumped with finding nontoxic upland loads, so really appreciate the introduction and look forward to further discussions on the topic!
After two duck seasons now with the Boss bismuth shells I won’t go back to steel if non-toxic shot is required.
The 2 3/4” #4 shells carry 1 1/4oz just like almost 3” steel loads. And it hits duck harder. I’ve even shot the #5 12ga and 20ga at ducks with good results. I just purchased a case of #5 for my 16ga to use on ducks, pheasants, and I’ll even try for a turkey with it!
Agree with you on carrying non-toxic. In Alberta we can still use lead for upland. But waterfowl is all non-toxic. So when I am walking areas for pheasant and grouse we are often in areas for small puddle ducks. If I am carrying lead, can’t shoot the ducks.
Great video as always.... I hope you will dive into the 28 gauge on some of your future videos
Top parceiro, ganhou mais um inscrito!
Thanks buddy… I’d like to go on a pheasant hunt some day before I get to old to walk…. Thanks again buddy….
Go for it!
Great discussion Ron - Happy New Year
Same to you!
Back in the 80's , there was a gun writer who really knew his stuff on shot-shell ballistics ( this was before steel shot was mandatory for waterfowl , I think) and what I know on the subject is from his writings .
Don Zutz was his name and he was the shooting editor at Fur-Fish and Game , he was one of my favorites .
Mr. Zutz was a 20-gauge aficionado and did indeed know his shotshell ballistics.
I primarily hunt with my 20g. I do use 3 to 4 shot 3” steel with consistent luck. But I also shoot waterfowl so I keep it simple since it is illegal to carry lead and steel at the same time in Colorado.
I did buy a 12g this year cause the 20g ammo was getting hard to find. The other reason I do use 8shot 2 3/4” for my dove and quail. I do this so I know what what is steel and lead for no confusion
i have every one of the shotguns you speak of my go to gun has been my wingmaster 28ga. i've used it for everything from skeet to turkey ..with a high brass #5 shot in a full choke barrel or a mod.barrel when wingshooting ..it's never failed me in bringing down what i'm aiming at....nice and light with just enough to get the job done and not destroy what i'm shooting at...of course this is keeping my shots within a reasonable range too....ok ok ok i'm a gun nut and i hunt with them all...some guns just feel and shoot better than others what can i say?????
Where did you get your jacket hat and rest of your gear? NoDak! 7 PRC review coming ?
You mentioned a deeper dive video, but i can't find it in the channel's video list.
Thanks Ron. I just bought a beautiful o/u 20 guage.👍
Killed my first pheasants with grandpa's old Ithaca 37 in 20 gauge. Did the job well, I've long since bought my own 12 gauge but a local gun shop has had a Winchester M12 in 16 Gauge on the shelf for a long time I'm considering picking up.
Did you get the model 12
@@waylonlegend4603 Unfortunately I beat around the bush too long and it sold
Yeah man that tungsten is hard on the pocketbook... That said the Federal TSS shells are like lightning and will reach out and touch them far birds. Only thing I shoot those at is turkeys everything else I shoot steel or lead. Only birds we have to hunt down here in Louisiana is waterfowl, turkeys, dove, quail, and woodcock. I've never been pheasant hunting before but it's definitely on my to do list at some point. Only problem is every time I travel to hunt it's to go chase moose, elk, and mule deer. I need to set aside a year in the future to go make a some of these upland bird and waterfowl hunts I've always wanted to do. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Moose and elk hunts are an acceptable excuse for missing a pheasant hunt. Ideally you'll find time for both. When kids, we hunted ducks at dawn, switched to pheasants at 10 AM (opening hour,) then bow hunted whitetails or stalked fox squirrels in the evening. Full day action.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors That sounds awesome man.. I try to set aside enough money and time off of work every year for a couple of week long hunting trips up north because living down in SW Louisiana I've got a good drive or flight to get anywheres with moose, elk, and mule deer or even to go chase the monster white tails yall have up north. Fortunately I have family in Alaska and Colorado so I can kill 2 birds with 1 stone... I get to hunt moose and elk and I get to spend about a week in the woods with family that I grew up hunting with since we were kids so it's a win win. Crazy enough though up until a couple years ago they use to have a big tower in the center of a big field by where I live now that the old timers would go "hunt" pheasant. I use the word hunt very loosely because it involved a guy in the tower releasing pheasant and the old timers surrounding the tower shooting them. LOL Ive never seen it done just heard the stories and the only reason I believe it is because I've actually jumped a couple of the ones that made it hunting the woods near that tower and know of a few other people jumping them as well. They're such a cool looking bird and just the couple I've jumped in the woods is what's made me want to go hunt them. Happy New Year to you and your family!!!
I love my old 16ga
Your puppy is adorable!