Understanding Pedal Order
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- This week, Nick and Addison take over the JHS Show to explain proper pedal order, and a big part of it is showing what not to do. We're lookin' at you, Nick. Addison also publicly declares that he "likes the flavor of rat." It's slightly less gross in context.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:56 "Proper" Pedal Order
2:40 Fuzz
4:09 "Tiny Tantrum"
4:50 Uni-vibe/Compression
5:44 Pitch Effects
6:12 Overdrive/Distortion
8:19 "Motorbike Zombie Boy"
8:47 Modulation
10:17 "Stampede Earthquake"
11:28 Delay
12:51 "Supersonic Death Ray"
13:55 Reverb
14:49 "Tsunami Blues"
16:39 Just Try Stuff
17:27 Record Time
19:10 Thanks for Watching!
Gear in this Episode:
Dunlop FFM2 Germanium Fuzz Face Mini
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JHS Unicorn V2
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Keeley Compressor
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Electro-Harmonix Micro POG
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Strymon El Capistan dTape Echo
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ProCo RAT 2 Distortion
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Browne Amplification T4
Walrus Audio Julia Chorus/Vibrato V2
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Boss TR-2 Tremolo
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Ibanez Tube Screamer Mini
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TC Electronic Hall of Fame Reverb
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Record Time:
U2 - All That You Can't Leave Behind
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The jams from this episode are on BandLab! Head over to the link below to jam with us, download the stems, and create your own samples from our sounds... or all of those things.
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As a shoegaze and dream pop player, I can confirm that the best place for reverb is at the beginning, middle, and end of your chain.
You’re too set in your ways ! 😬😬😬
@@jamiemorgan4146 😬what😬
I OWN 3 VERBS AND I WANT 3 MOOOOOORE
i want to start eight or nine bands with you.
My board goes Oceans 12 Reverb>Big Muff Fuzz>Holy Grail Reverb>Canyon Delay>Blues Driver>Small Clone Chorus>Tera Echo 2 Delay>Walrus Fathom Reverb. Can never have enough reverb. This is the way.
At first I was like, "Oh cool, it's a Nick episode!" And then I was like, "Ohhhhh!! It's a Nick AND Addison episode!!"
"Tsunami Blues" is the doom metal jam I needed this afternoon.
I'm pleased to see the comment recognitiing Tsunami Blues awesomeness was not hard to find.
Neil Young would be proud
A certified killer tune!
Sounds like early Soundgarden
That outro solo was life-changing. I will never look at a guitar or patch cable the same way again.
Tsunami Blues is un-ironically my favorite jam you guys have ever done. It transcended…something…
Nick: adorably and lovingly nerding out about pedals
Addison: *yep*
"Understanding pedal order"
"Do whatever just put the fuzz first"
Unless it's muff fuzz
thats some pretty bad advice tbh
@@theonlycaamz Depends on the fuzz.
@@jsullivan2112 true
Nope I love delaying my fuzz.
I tried to talk myself out of this and I just can't. A reverb first jam with the cable in your mouth is pure genius.
Today I learned: What Nick sounds like at the start of the chain.
(Solid 6/10. I'm looking for one on reverb now.)
Did Nick have to buy and take home mouth cable?
@@thenextkurt these are the facts I need in my life
That Jimi Hendrix moment at 15:50 transformed this already great
episode into a total brain melting „Nick and Addison Experience“ 🙀
I literally thought doing that would electrocute you 💀💀
What's that !? Someone explain to me ! I don't understand what the hell happened
@@johnf.r6658i think he just yanked on the guitar cord to make the amp scream lol
one of the best episodes ever! Thank you Josh giving space and opportunities to your employees
Having reverb both at first and at the end is the best thing I've ever done with my board.
The Pedal Zone did a very cool video about it
Gross
Super wet toan
@@gregmize01 Just try stuff
That’s probably my favorite thing about my board.
@@gregmize01 the only upload on your channel is a butt rock music video. Why would anyone want your opinion?
Nick is like a small clone of Josh, every now and then I can hear Josh's voice when Nick talks.
Josh is the full size pedal, and Nick is the mini.
& Addison is the crappy Amazon made in China generic wanna be clone.... it comes with a sick pic of Jeff Bezos doing the Dr. Evil pinky finger on it though.... so yeah
I was getting vibe too. Thought it was just me.
Yeah hearing these two pelicans talk I can definitely see why they work for josh….
True, and I can't unhear it now haha
That Tsunami Blues jam was pretty badass. I love the Tom Morello-esque move unplugging the cable to make noise. 🤘
“Addison, the biggest, giantest pedal nerd I know.”
I take that as Nick not really knowing Josh deep down inside.
Maybe we really don't know Addison?
I literally laughed out loud.
I guarantee this isn't the last we've heard about this😂 I can see the next video's title now... "JHS, & how I'm not the greatest pedal nerd Nick knows, despite having all the boxes!"
@@JeighNeither I can already smell the passive aggression.
I took that as a passive agro jab at Addi
It's official 15:50 is the greatest moment in JHS history.. #sorryNOTsorryJOSH
…and possibly music history.
These guys actually have the charisma and humor that all the other content providers try to imitate. Probably because they’re not only content providers. More from Nick and Addison. Even loved the yams.
Overdrive before distortion sounded more modern and like it could be used in more songs. Distortion before drive felt like a throwback to 80s metal.
cmiiw but jp also uses that order to get the chug chug
But if Addison is there, WHO"S PLAYING BASS!?!
I'm doing it, but I'm not there and not recorded
Nosferatu! 😏
Josh obviously
Ghost bass
John Paul James?
There was a jam maybe a couple of weeks ago, maybe a month ago, I'm not really sure, but what I do remember is the jam was so intense and brutal that Addison's hair moved, and it was very inspiring.🤘
The first minute of JHS videos is deeply satisfying. Thanks for all the work y’all.
....and then me and my boy finished off the rest of the video and now he’s running around the house trying stuff.
This is easily one of the best JHS show videos I've ever seen. You all killed it and the jams were awesome.
Shoegaze: delays, reverbs, reverse reverbs, chorus, whatever before fuzz ❤️
As long as it's a Big Muff
If there was a reverse fuzz (whatever the hell that means) they would use it too
@@abcrx32j you mean a Zzuf? Why doesn't anybody make that?
I believe that Josh needs to get to work on that post haste
Fuzz before fuzz
This show really makes me want to play more and I’m very grateful it exists.
Nick always looks like he is in Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou
Willem Dafoe’s character’s son! Nick definitely rocks the beanie look.
Has anyone ever seen Nick without a hat of some sort?
Nah. He looks like Kip from Napoleon Dynamite.
@@jspartacus loll
He needs to shave that beard. He can’t grow one.
How is it that everyone on this channel is a gifted multi-instrumentalist?
You guys all rock on guitar, bass, drums and I assume at this point probably didgeridoo and theremin.
I know you have families, I know you have jobs... when do y’all find the time?
I barely manage to suck on guitar.
BTW - when do we get the “Do pedals work on jazz pan flute” episode?
You could try sucking on the cable as shown in the video, but it's a really metal move. Like, you might want to be aware of any metal you may be touching before attempting it.
Super musical people with a very obvious love for music and the technology thar goes with music.
to be good at music, you have to be able to listen to the other instruments. After you're good at that is much easier to learn other instruments. It doesn't take much immediate time. It's more of a question of access to other instruments. 10 min of drums today. 15 min of bass tomorrow. Eventually you get decent. And each new instrument adds more understanding to your previous instruments too. It's a journey :p
In my own experience, it's easier to learn another instrument after you've already picked up one. I can actually sit down at a piano and play sort of okay after learning guitar.
@@charlesrense5199 - Yea man. Totally. As a drummer i taught myself to play bass because:
1) As you said, i already went through the process of learning an instrument.
2) i knew how the bass parts were supposed to sound cause that's what i'm focused on locking in with as a drummer, and i'd watched enough bass players i'd played with.
This is gods work boys. You two kept the vibe of the channel and gave it a nice flavor. Been watching the channel for years and this was a very fresh and fun episode. Although, Josh is still the master of hosting music content!
Great work y'all! My whole life is switching pedals around, so it's always nice to hear how other people arrange things.
Love, love, love these videos. Production value is always superb. Variety of musical genres are alway diverse. Lighthearted humour is much appreciated. No shortage of wisdom to impart. Bravo, JHS.
So much fun! More Nick/Addison videos please!
Nicely recorded, guys - could hear the kick and bass clearly even on my earbuds that don't pass anything under 500Hz. Cool jams too.
I’m honestly amazed. I could hear the kick and bass on my (very old) built-in phone speakers
Drums sounded like they were put through a compressor and a reverb......
UA-cam compress everything...
Look up something called "psychoacoustics" and how the brain fills in missing information when it comes to audio. Fascinating topic.
This was extremely refreshing to see different hosts. Pls continue to do this🥺
So much good on this channel. My favorite gear-head channel by far! These guys (and Josh, of course) are a wonderful team for inspiring creativity in your setup- “Here’s how the rules work, no go have fun and break’em!”
Oh, and on the subject of messing around with rules…
I actually wanted a little “doom” in my more percussive and tight “Jones-esque” setup. So I run a EHX Op-amp Big Muff in parallel with my VH4 pedal, Pod X3 (running Rectifier and Uberschall paths in parallel/Dual Tone mode, sans FX) and DSL20 head. The POD, VH4, and Muff all run into a solid state power amp and add an ungodly bass response to the tight, mid-focused Marshall. I tried the Muff up front before my FX, but it just sounded too good on its own. It stays tight, but really blooms with varied attack. I’m kind of a cretin when it comes to FX, because I run everything up front - you know, like they did in the days before effects loops. Hell, I figure it worked then, and as long as my effects are not really over the top, it should work now. But for boosts and extra gain I have Cloned Centaur and a Plumes, although I dig the 3-series fuzz, so I may add that too. It may sound convoluted, or wrong in any number of ways, but it achieves the tone I’ve been chasing in my head for 25 years.
EQ pedals and boost pedals can go just about anywhere.
Oh and get a transparent buffer and put it right after the Wah. Fuzz, Univibe and Wah probably won’t play well with a buffer before them, but a good buffer makes a difference once you’ve got more than 4 or 5 pedals.
One of my favorite sounds is a delay before distortion. You can turn the mix down low and make the repeats get cleaner as they go, and if you do that and turn the delay speed down to like 20ms, you get a pretty neat pseudo-doubletrack effect. JUST TRY STUFF!
Trem before drive! My favourite combo ❤️ I love how not only the volume but also the drive amount changes with the trem.
When he started chewing on the guitar cable.... it was just magic.... are words I never thought I'd type! Great video guys!
Great episode, thank you. The jam with the HOF more up front was pretty spectacular. I use the Meteore for that kind of thing occasionally. I twist around my “orders” a bit, or quite a bit, but tried and true is always a pretty good fallback when “just try stuff” leads to the wrong kind of musical disasters.
You dudes get wild when poppa Josh isn't around. I like it.
This is such a lovely episode. More Addison and Nick content please!
People living for their passions....humanity can learn from JHS. You guys have HEART
This is info-tainment at the highest level. You would make great teachers.
Real life Bert & Ernie, you guys are awesome.
I'm gonna watch it again, that was funny.
Addison's drum face is epic 🤣
you guys are becoming so much better at presenting these videos. You have found your own voices (instead of replicating josh) and have become amazing because of it!
This is my favorite UA-cam video. It’s got everything. Laughter. Knowledge. Sadness. Laziness. Science. Short sleeves. Literally everything.
I've had a lot of fun "messing up" pedal order. Flipping Fuzz and OD is fun to mess with, gotta love the squeals
Really dig that Deep Sea Diver album!! Great guitar/synth sounds. Great songwriting. Great melodies. Great lyrics. Just rad all around!
Jessica Dobson is extremely under rated. I first saw her on a show called "From the Basement" when she was playing for The Shins.........my gawwwwd the whole show I was saying "who is this mysterious woman bending time, space, and sound". She was off in her own corner with her amp at waist level using her body to control and manipulate feedback.
Man that jam "tsunami blues " is so badass...that is exactly up my alley....just blown away....
Thanks guys, that was great! You tried all kinds of stuff I wondered about, and totally inspired me to put my tuner at the end. Thanks again!
Nick --- you really hit this out of the park. You are really growing into the job of hosting.
Thanks! Before this I ended up having the guitar at the end of the chain, the amp in the middle and pedals at the beginning. Funny enough. I had the fuzz first 👍🏻
Great Job guys ! Love the new format . For those that havent heard Josh has moved to his private Island in the Caribbean. Its worth mentioning , On a neighboring Island Josh has a 50,000 sg ft warehouse that is completely filled with Original Klons and Mig 50's . ... Back to boards , I Too have done the Just try stuff thing and ended up liking "the traditional order " ,with my current pedals . Love the show guys ,Thanks !
Thanks for lifting the heavy burden of pedal ordering! Cheers Addison and Nick!!
Tremelo at the end = deeper/more obvious tremelo. When it's before the Reverb and Delay, the Reverb and Delay can fill in the gaps from the trem.
Tremelo at the end also means your reverb tails have the tremelo effect on them. It's weird at first but because of Fender Blackface amps, people are actually pretty used to the sound of trem after verb.
TremOlo
@@liarsconspiracy TremendOlous
On this channel, literally everyone involved is cool!
Even the viewers....
Nick’s playing is something I enjoy every time he’s on the strings 😭🤍 such a special voice!!!
This has quickly become my favorite music channel on UA-cam.
When Nick went full Godzilla and put the cable in his mouth I lost it. Lol. Great episode.
I remember an old "music is win" video where in the end we could see a "stupid guitarist" using delay before distortion. This thing pissed me off. Finally some famous guitar nerds declaring that delay before dist is not an error, it's a choice.
I guess what goes with music theory in general works with pedal order too. Conventions are written down common practice, not hard rules. If you find something that sounds good, maybe some day it will become part of the common practice.
Pedal order can depend on your setup anyway. For example I have amp in the middle (I just love the Marshall sound), so I have to be quite careful putting anything that raises the volume after the amp. I did figure out by trial and error though that putting distortion pedal in the effects loop will get character of the pedal more up front.
What sounds good is somewhat subjective though, so the "just try stuff" mantra is good. Just remember to start with something sensible, so you won't get totally lost.
What a fantastic episode.
More of you two please.
"Tsunami Blues" may be the best jam of the channel
Nick and Addison are AWESOME together! I am curious as to why y’all chose Muff style fuzzes for go after the dirt and not at the beginning but best believe I am going to try it when I get my Muffaleta
As sad as I am to miss my Friday dose of josh, nick and Addison killed it. Would love to see an episode of Addison building a pedalboard.
In the episode "building a pedalboard against the clock" Addison is the one leading the charge helping Nick put it all together. If you havent seen it, it may scratch that itch for ya!
That's only fans material
Dang! Most epic chewing-on-the-cable jam ever!
I really enjoyed this episode. After a few months of trying stuff, I came up with my -current- signal chain: guitar + overdrive + fuzz + wah + distortion + chorus + amp (with delay and reverb). No specific pedal names so you can experiment with your own.
The order of overdrive, distortion and booster is going to depend so much on what pedals. I have found so many cut a bunch of high end which sometimes works and other times makes it sound small depending on what the pedal is meant to be doing and the amp.
This was the coolest episode so far, definitely putting my delay before my drive
When you use a hot channeled amp, your delay is always before, makes sense and sounds great
Great job, guys. This is becoming one of the best guitar channels on youtube.
That fuzz jam had a really nice feel! Nick’s playing was right back and sounded awesome!
Great show guys! You made tons of excellent just-try-stuff points! (I tried TC ElectronicS in front of Tore...it didn't work, Wurds is Hard!!!)
There is clearly a row of about 8 visible Klon Centaurs in the background while Nick and Addison are jamming. Want to sell one? 😁 Love you guys.
Also, I will be putting my delay in front of my overdrive from this point on.
Thanks so much, the fuzz placement is what I was looking for
Love this video so much. Particularly the jam at the end.
Addison’s rolled shorts is a bad example of “just try stuff”. Just kidding. Cheers! Another great episode!
Pitch vibrato goes where the pitch shift pedal goes: early, as it is replicating something mechanical from your guitar (vibrato system or your hands/fingers) and it is a fully-wet effect.
Broken rule version: after reverb.
Unless you specifically want it to sound like a tape artifact, in which case it will go very late but also fully or mostly wet.
@@mal2ksc Good call. I like how you're thinkin'.
Oh my god I wanted this video. Thank you. This channel is a blessing.
This gave me ideas to change around my board. Thanks.
Wish they would've talked about overdrives into a muff, or why a muff doesn't need to be at the front of the chain
Good question.
Muff doesn't have the same input impedance issues as a Fuzz Face because it has more transistor stages, for simplicity just think of it as a Fuzzy Distortion pedal. A good rule of thumb is that the more a fuzz cleans up when you roll off the guitar volume the more likely it will be adversely affected by having other pedals in front of it.
Any thoughts on where to place the EHX attack/decay? It is (sort of) a volume pedal, as you can simulate attack decay envelopes by rocking a volume pedal, but the EHX has a built in distortion (I think) circuit as well. Thoughts? Or should I just try stuff?
For what it’s worth, I use my Attack/Decay in the very first position (and keep the sensitivity knob pretty high), and then into a Keeley Fuzz Bender. Because the A/D doesn’t have a buffer, the Fuzz Bender works great for me.
So tempted to say stick it yer butt. Lol 😆 just try stuff!!
I just built my first pedal board and was unsure about a couple things. Thanks for being so thorough and I really enjoyed hearing the differences in pedal order. I picked up a cheap looper, a specular tempus, a procro rat 2 and a boss overdrive that was pretty beat up for cheap as a start.
I never thought of chewing on the guitar cable until now. Brilliant! It sounds so good.
This was awesome. This old man who is quickly becoming sick of everyone and everything was like a little kid watching the best thing ever. You two hit it out of the park. Downside is now everything else in the whole world sucks!
I always put Distortion after Overdrive. And I preferred the sound of it here. Although in my case, I don't actually have a "distortion" pedal. I use a Fuzz and put it after my overdrive. It's a big muff, not a fuzz face. So it's okay that it's not first.
But yeah low-gain into high-gain sounds way better to me.
Ive been experimenting with this lately too. I have long had the lower drive before the higher drive and even after all the comments saying otherwise find the lower first to be better to my ears.
Now I´ve seen it. Very entertaining!
Highlight: Nick bites into the cable for an epic messy feedback noise! Great stuff!
Glad y’all used an example of delay going into fuzz. I use heavy distortion (HM-2) and run my phaser and delay before the distortion. When you push those effects into a distortion, it makes the modulation effects sound insane and blown out, and the effects cut into a mix better too. I found that modulation effects can get muddy when the signal they’re getting is already distorted, though not as much of a thing for the “warm creamy overdrive” crowd 😊
Interesting to see that Addison pulls different faces when playing drums than what he does when playing bass
I always thought my fuzz into OD sounded like garbage, thought maybe it was the pedals. Then I tried switching it and it sounds so good. Right now i am playing with this, Tape Delay > OD > Fuzz > Fuzz > Wah > Dist > Spinning Speaker > Chorus > Analog Delay > Reverb > Digital Delay > Reverb. Anytime I get a new pedal I try it in various spots in the chain, see how it all flows.
Glad to see i'm not the only one who doesn't put fuzz first. After a lot of testing I realized I prefer to put my wah, vibe and od before my JHS minifoot (which I believe is a silicon fuzz face type). The «fuzz first» rule must depend on what type of fuzz you're using...
You guys rock! I've never seen the technique before where the player pulls the cable out and inserts the end of the cable into the mouth to produce monster feedback without electrocuting oneself. Then again when performance complexities present themselves remember the sacred mantra "JUST TRY STUFF"
*can be a bit zappy and tingly like a 9 volt battery, at least it is when I tried it but usually isn't that dangerous......
Awesome episode! Great job guys!
Wait: who is playing bass? Ghost bassist!
How refreshing to see an episode without Josh. Guy was getting on my nerves…😉
Are either of you familiar with Frank Marino? Way back in the dark ages (late ‘70’s), he had an ENORMOUS pedalboard. It was enormous because there were a lot of duplicate pedals at various points in the signal chain. When asked why he had so many pedals, his response was that the order in the chain made a big difference on the sound. He had it all figured out way before most other musicians. He essentially had a giant manual pedal matrix. He was “Just Trying Stuff” way back then.
Anyways, thanks for tackling a subject I’ve been waiting years to have tackled. Never really seen Josh use more than 2 pedals at a time, so this was way overdue.
At first I thought the Just Try Stuff thing was hilarious, then it started to annoy me, and then it came back around and now I love it again.
The song at 15:50 was so damn good, I’m genuinely blown away
So that's what today's guitar players and drummers look like ?
I watched a bunch of videos on understanding peral order, and then I just tried stuff! I liked the adaptive distortion before the overdrive, but then the RAT after the overdrive. Distortion -> Overdirve -> Distortion
I love the sound of the drum set. Thanks for this video, fun, informative, and thanks again for just try stuff.
About time you made this video!
Yeah this is a great format. You guys did great.
More please.
That reverb first jam with the cable in the teeth was the best jam this channel has ever seen! Gonna do that tonight. Then see the dentist.
It’s cool to see how multi talented everyone is. Rock on dudes
Very informative and objective approach to this great debate. We’ll done.