Effects Pedal Order Explained
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Today, I'm showing you where to put your pedals in your signal path, and why your pedal order matters! While there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to effects pedal order, the placement of your pedals has an impact on your tone, especially when stacking pedals.
Remember, pedal order ultimately comes down to taste; however, I'll show you the things you should consider when determining the order of the pedals in your pedalboard signal chain.
Table of Contents:
00:00 Introduction
01:44 Buffers
02:40 Impedance-Sensitive Pedals
03:58 Dynamic Type Pedals
05:36 Distortion/Overdrive Pedals
07:37 EQ/Boost Pedals
09:16 Volume Pedals
11:22 Modulation Pedals
12:47 Time-Based Pedals
14:08 Signal Path Overview
17:00 Conclusion
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Table of Contents:
00:00 Introduction
01:44 Buffers
02:40 Impedance-Sensitive Pedals
03:58 Dynamic Type Pedals
05:36 Distortion/Overdrive Pedals
07:37 EQ/Boost Pedals
09:16 Volume Pedals
11:22 Modulation Pedals
12:47 Time-Based Pedals
14:08 Signal Path Overview
17:00 Conclusion
What about a big muff? It’s not a fuzz pedal that responds to dynamics like a fuzz face. Would you put it where a rat should be?
@@moogsynth87 depends on the era. The silicon versions might be problematic with a buffer, the IC versions won't.
Where I can place a Noisegate (ISP Decimetor G String) in a chain?
@@Edgardo1978Music What are you trying to gate out? Pedal distortion or amp distortion?
@@VertexEffectsInc Distortion pedals
Best pedal order video ever made. Period.
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Dude, echoing that. I get so tired of pedal order videos that say “oh it HAS TO BE this way.” Or “no rules at all, don’t sweat it.”
@@markfarnsworth3340 It's all matter of taste at the end of the day.
Fucking facts bro
What James F said!!!
That is one hell of a signal chain. I believe I counted about 20 pedals in the example. Excellent food for thought, thank you
trying to cover all the contingencies.
Always blown away by this guys professionalism and how succinct/eloquent his videos are
Such a helpful video, thank you! As a long time drummer now dabbling into cheap guitar pedals for the first time, this is much needed.
Same here! Drummer diving into guitar pedals
Always trying to make us better and that is why I’m a fan 🙏
Thanks for the support Kevin!!!
@@VertexEffectsInc just a quick question Mason. i have a polytune 3 , which is a buffered tuner which one will go first on my chain. the dunlop cry baby or the polytune3??? thanks!
@@rowell3079 I would try it both ways, but generally buffer after wah.
Dude, all this time I was putting my low gain drives before the high, and couldn't figure out why all that volume reduction and tone suck was taking place. You solved it!
Amazing!
Seeing all your knowledge and efforts , with all the questions we all have, just want to say,
thanks Mason for your patience and feedback!
You deserve to be respected and I think all the requests and inquiries are proof that you are one of the best in the music industry hands down!
Thanks!
Wow. Thanks!
@@VertexEffectsInc would you put the compressor before or after the ep booster?
No nonsense, no gratuitous self promotion, no over explanation, straight to practical info, ends with practical summary an review. Excellent video.
One question though; on bass if I want a Chris squire late 70s envelope filter effect, does that go beside or after compressor?
Thanks for watching! I'd say filter then comp.
This is the best explanation of signal path that i have ever heard!
Thanks for making this so clear, well-organized, and flexible! I think you hit the right balance between offering concrete suggestions but avoiding being too rigid and prescriptive. I also really appreciate that you explained the reasoning behind these rules of thumb without getting too caught in the weeds or irrelevant digressions. Can be hard to achieve this, but very nice work.
Glad it was helpful!
This is the best explanation of the reasoning and purpose for effects chains I have ever seen.
I just tried this method with my pedalboard which I haven't changed in the past 2 years.
Wow! The sound is so much cleaner and bright, and the fuzz first sounds incredible!
I had to drop everything and comment on this.
Thank you! 😁
Glad it helped!
You are a great communicator. I can tell that you love your job.
I do!
Mason, again, I cannot thank you enough for all the advice/recommendations. A true gent!
Happy to help!
This is what I needed EXACTLY! You not only get the order but the WHY behind it and other important valuable information that I didn't know that I needed to know. 🤜🤛
Glad it was helpful!
This really is the best video on pedal chain order that's available on UA-cam. I refer to every time I build or reorganize my pedal boards. Thank you for the help!!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the support Robby!
Brother, I gotta say! This is the most thorough, thought out, easy to understand board video I have ever seen. New subscriber here! Hoping to find this kind of approach to other confusing associated topics.
Thanks
Keep'em coming!
Glad it was helpful!
Holy cow! I decided to reorder my pedals based on this video, as well as learning that my Spark Mini could do double duty as a buffer. The difference is NIGHT AND DAY! No more hum/buzz/noise. So clean now! Wish I'd found this video ages ago, thank you.
Your absolutely the best in teaching and advising as to how to builds your pedal board, I've been researching and researching and this video tells me what I needed to know from someone with experience. Much appreciated.
Wow, thanks!
Thank you so much. This is the most valuable type of content. Simply stated and taught well for the introduction level, but also plenty of info to digest and come back to the video over time. 🤘😁
*subscribed*
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I came specifically to find out where to place my Tube Screamer and you literally use it in your diagram. Perfect!
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Hey Mason, thanks for sharing your pedalboard knowledge and expertise, it is very much appreciated by all. You have answered so many of my questions and I didn’t even need to ask them. Thanks!
Glad to help!
Man this video should be an example of top notch youtube tutorials. You are amazing.
Appreciate that
This video is toxic garbage. There are no set rules on where to put your pedals. Every piece of gear should be placed in your signal chain and used how it sounds best to your own ears.
@@officialmetalwill The only toxic garbage here are your comments Will
This guy makes the most helpful videos
Wow! Thanks!
Thanks!
This is a really good video for all of us who are starting in this whole universe of pedals
You did an amazing job!
I can't believe the difference of putting the lower output overdrive pedal after the higher output overdrive pedal!! Simply amazing. Both pedals now have a new life to them, with better sound and more fullness. Thnx
Glad you like it!
This is like the basic text book version of pedal placement. Great place to start.
Such a great video! Love the explanation deep dive & illustration too!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is such critically important information and meticulously presented in a very digestible way. Thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Another EXCELLENT explanation of not just how but the why! I have seen many videos on this topic over the years and this is the most complete and logical one I've seen. I am very much of the "if it sounds good, it is good" school BUT I will most definitely play with these concepts more and at the very least will have fun doing it! Thanks man for sharing these videos, you truly are putting out some really valuable content and I have learned a ton from just the dozen or so videos I've watched thus far.
Glad it was helpful!
Best explanation ever - way to go
Glad it was helpful!
Great and useful information. Thank you!!
So glad you found it useful!
HI MASON - EDDIE IN THE UK HERE - THANKS FOR A SUPERB EXPLANATION IN YOUR VIDEO - I NEVER REALISED HOW MANY DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS THERE WERE !
I WILL NOW FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE SO THANKS AGAIN ! BEST REGARDS - EDDIE.
Great! Thanks for watching!
Didn’t realize until today I wasn’t subscribed. Been watching for years. Thanks for the reminder.
Welcome! Thanks for checking!
Man times have changed. Back in the 80s we just moved pedals around until it sounded good. Learned a lot doing stuff like that.
Wish I would’ve been there sucks I was born in the 90s and didn’t start getting into pedals til the late 2000s 😂
We still do that. Literally nothing has changed.
Cheers man
Enjoyed this vid a lot and did a bit of reshuffle goodness on my board ✊🏾
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow - thank you. First time viewer of your channel and I subscribed immediately. Excellent information and you articulate it very well. I am going to have to find out what ‘buffers’ are. Played live for years but never heard of them. Not much of a gear head or guitarist..mainly used it for rhythm.
Same.
First person that was specific, very specific, considering Germainium treble boosters.. thank you very much
Great video, I love the descriptions of WHY order is important. game changer for me!! Thanks!!
I've always put my distortion and overdrive pedals from lowest to highest gain (and have recommended it to hundreds [if not thousands] of customers in the decade that I worked at a guitar shop.) After watching this video I gave higher gain first a try (in this case a Rat going into a TS9.)
It sounded like garbage. And not because I was used to the sound of the TS9 going into the Rat, but because everything got muffled and flabby.
I put it back to the way I had it (TS9 into Rat) and got that crisp & articulate sound back. I will still always recommend to other guitarists that lower gain overdrives should go before their higher gain distortions.
A few considerations. 1) This is not "THE WORD" - it's one way to do it and that is stated in the video as a possible way to sequence effects and not the only way. All of this is really a matter of taste. 2) You and I may not hear things the same. Just like I may be just fine with Sushi from a gas station, where your lowest acceptable bar for Sushi is Cafe Nobu. Since we're not calibrated, what you prefer and what I prefer aren't normed. 3) Settings matter. If you're using your RAT or high gain pedal in a lower gain setting that's not very compatible with stacking, you might have mixed results. I generally encourage the gain stacking to be based on how you set the pedal in terms of gain, and not by the overall amount of gain inside the pedal. Also complementary EQs are a consideration when stacking that will sometimes nullify any of my advice on a case by case basis. I'm sure you can find unflattering settings of high gain into low gain just as you can find them low gain into high gain pedal orders. 4) Impedances matter. There will be combinations even within following the order I outlined that won't work because some of the effects might be sub optimal with a higher output Z driving them, or a buffer (low z) driving into the input of any particular device. Since there is NO standard for pedal impedances, you might find some pedals aren't good candidates for stacking in certain orders as a result. To reiterate...this is all subjective, as stated in the video - not the truth. Simply one way to do it that you can improvise with as you please.
Okay, another must watch
Glad you dig it!
Omg. Moving the EQ to after the distortion pedals game changer. Also from the FX loop moving phase and flanger out of loop fixed those sounds. YES!
The best explanation I could find anywhere! Thank you so much! This is so helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Great Vid Mason!
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Thank you so much.
Thanks for all the support as always!
Always learning something new here. Never a dull video. Thx!
I’m here because I’m building a board to my personal tone needs. This has been very helpful. I feel it is a little advanced for some but still super informative. Thanks!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Hey Mason - Perhaps you can talk about putting the whole effect chain before an amp vs putting it in the effects loops of the amplifier vs putting just the modulation and time effects in effects loop, and how the tone is affected in these three cases.
it's a little more advanced....perhaps for the future. My intent here was to capture the general majority of cases in front of an amp.
I second Nihal's comment, definitely a video I'll be waiting for!
me too. i like an overdriven amp, so i think the effects loop is important
@@kensayers144 Indeed if you're producing amp gain
After all these years I found the perfect explanation ever about this subject. Have you made the video using a FX Loop? Man, it’s not a simple puzzle, specially when you include a huge switcher.
Man, as a fairly new guitar player that is ready to start messing with pedals, this is easily the best video I have watched on the basic set up of how to hook everything up. Obviously there are probably different ways and other opinions on how to set a pedal board up. But this is more then enough to get you started. And it’s explained so well by yourself and with the use of graphics.
Thank you big time! If you ever see this even. LOL. I subbed after 5 minutes of the video!
Wow! Thanks!!!
Could i use as the first buffer pedal one Boss Noise Suppressor pedal? And at the end of chain one Tc Electronic Bonafide buffer?
Thank you Mason. Where would you place a noise gate in the signal chain?
Wondering the same thing
Awesome Episode Mason! Great overview of the signal chain anatomy, and valuable info wether you're new to the game or a more experienced player. Keep em' comin' we'll watch more!! Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for such a concise overview of signal path. Your videos are always great!
Glad you like them!
Great video! Where would you place a noise gate and a digitech whammy pedal? Thanks!
Watch our advanced signal path videos...we explain all this!
I went to a Robin Trower show many years back at a smaller venue {I sat maybe thirty feet from him}, and after the show he was kind enough to allow me to take a picture of his board. I was surprised at how small it was. The amp he was using was on old 1959, NOT a reissue either. I sat my board up identically to his, but I still don't sound nearly as good as he does.
Robin ROCKS!!!
RT was great. The first time I heard him, 'bout fell out of my chair ☺️
Alas, that was many years ago,
sadly they don't make 'em like that anymore ☹️
Man! Articulate, thorough, well explained. This has it all.
I've had my two main boards set up like this for years as it does indeed follow conventional pedalboard wisdom, but it does seem like I'm endlessly experimenting with specific fuzz placement albeit up in front part of the chain regardless.
Beautifully done my man!
Thank you so much!
Just a quick THANK YOU! for your advice on pedal order, and for all the questions I've had concerning pedals. I've been playing for 32 years and this is the first time I've put a board together....I know, sad story, right? Haha! I'm a singer, and have always just played acoustic or used the amp's effects. Thanks again brother, much appreciated!
Glad to help!
Are buffers included in some pedals circuits? If so what’s the effect of lots of buffers?
Noise gate 👁️👄👁️
I like mine after distortion and boost, but before modulation and time based pedals.
That would only be neccessary in a specific situation I've always felt. The compressor should be enough I think. But hey, board building is an art and we each do our own thing.
I dont like noise gates. They always mess with tone or signal. Plus they dont really get rid of the noise unless you're not touching the guitar. Just get yourself a good power supply and decent patch cables. You'll be good.
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Noise gate can go in 2 places first after guitar to chop off the pickup noise, and second is FX loop to remove pedal noise. Some people use two noise gates in both places set very minimally ( mostly in djent). Typically you probably what it in a loop.
I am building my first pedalboard and this helped me a lot on understanding the 'hows' and 'whys'. Thank you very much!
I’m so glad!!!
Thank you for your quick and comprehensive explanation.
Where would the looper pedal go in the signal path??
I have a quick question concerning a noise gate. Should I still place The noise gate directly after the distortion effects? I think that's one of the most important things you left out of this. I thank you for your time.
??? Noise gate
See our advanced signal paths video
I recently have discovered Juan R and he has been another one of U tubes greatest hidden gems. Juan has been extremely helpful in trying to help me set up my Katana Mkii amp and people like Juan R and Vertex Effects are invaluable resources for not just newbies like me but to Everyone in the music community. Thanks to both of you outstanding human beings.
Thank you. Im building a pedalboard (always have done all through the Boss Gt6 multi) and between you, jhs and the blokes at that pedal show, i am now convinced buffers are my next purchases in this chain of wonder.
Glad I could help! Make sure you get those with the right specs. See our recommended buffers for the best possible options.
Thank you. This is very helpful for someone who is getting in effects in the signal chain. Much appreciated!
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what if you go thur an effects loop
Hi there I was wondering where you would recommend placing a drop tube pedal in the chain order. Thanks.
For what? What is it doing?
@@VertexEffectsInc Sorry I didn’t have my glasses on. I meant a drop tuning pedal. I thought about it and it would probably go in the modulation section as it is also a pitch shifting pedal?
Outstanding. I see people asking about this all the time on various QA live streams. They should just watch this.
Yes they should, especially from someone that’s actually building rigs...context is important here, repetition matters.
Congratulations, Masson!! Now I realize that I need to reorganize my pedalboard! Thank you very much for so many tips!
Happy to help!
Stupid Question, where do you put a tuner? First from the Guitar?
It's a good question. They should have included it. Yes, first from the guitar.
first or last..most have buffers in them
Pop sounds are driving me nuts!!
Didn’t hear it til you said - now I’m going insane!
These videos are very thorough and entertaining.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent input in my current work on a pedal board of Bosspedals. Very explanatory pedal stuff.
Great video. Where do you suggest a compressor be put? After input buffer?
Thank you, Jack Black.
I was gonna say Danny McBride
This is fantastic. Thank you Mason. I had things more classic , now fuzz sounds much better and I love the reverb before delay.
Yo this is excellent information dude. Incredible of you to put this up here!
Glad it was helpful!
Where would you put a preamp pedal with cab sim and distortion in this path ?
Put it last. Since you're not going into an amp, but rather intobyour Preamp, assuming you are using the Cab Sim last. Then out of that to FOH.
kinda sad my favorite type of pedal wasn't in this video
everyone overlooks the tuner :^(
If it's true bypass, first. If not then after the input buffer.
@@VertexEffectsInc imma weirdo and put it last b/c i only have 4 pedals before it and i use it to mute the crazy twist effect i can do with the boss dd-20
You can still mute with it first
Thanks Mason! I took your direction and it took care of a few issues I was having especially with the envelope filter consistency. Cheers!
Glad it helped!
Thanks Mason, very informative. Highly recommend. I know I'll be watching again ... and again.
Thanks for watching!!!
If you are not sure about the order between delay and reverb, then just buy two for each and order them as DRDR
Or try both or get a switcher that can re-arrange your order :)
I have a DD-200 delay before a Flint (which has verb), followed by a timeline and then a big sky, for precisely that reason - to give me more options. And even if I had a switcher, I'd still have both delays, because the DD-200 gives me up to 5 seconds of delay, and I use that in a song, and the Timeline won't do it but does so much other great stuff. By the same reasoning, the Flint is a crazy good sounding pedal! But in terms of reverb, there are SO MANY cool things you can do with the big sky as well.
@@NoBSMusicReviews I use Specular Tempus -> Timeline -> Bigsky. Specular does both lol
@@VertexEffectsInc I dig running a plate style verb with a long tail and a super low dark mix into a delay… then out of the delay into a Fender blackface style spring reverb…. Yummmmmm
Tremelo at the end… again for that blackface Fender thing…. Can you tell that a twin reverb and deluxe reverb were my main amps back in the day LOL? I love doing that with my
JTM 45 too…
@@maz7100 Nice!
i like my overdrive before the distortion
This video deserves Grammy!
Hahaha...nominate it!
Thank you so much! Beautifully presented. Excellent clarity. 😋
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where do i put pre amp or amp/cab sim pedal???
very end after loop pedal
I have a basic pedal board with:
guitar > overdrive > distortion > noise gate > chorus/flanger > delay > amp
I have a 5150 Stealth. When I run this pedal board into the front of the amp on the clean channel, it sounds super thin no matter how I dial the pedals and the amp.
HELP! ANYONE!
Try running the overdrive after the distortion, and using the flanger and delay in the fx loop it might help.
Loved this video, very informative and professionally presented. Time to re-build my pedal board!
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Thank you, Mason. Most enlightening. I also like to place my reverb pedal(s) before my delay. I really like it this way rather than the other way around.
Where would an amp simulator be in this chain like Joyo American?
I would say those are after distortion, I think of my Joyo American as a sort of EQ, combined with the ability to be a little overdrive. You could also put it last, because it also buffers the output and has a cab sim - so that also makes some sense.
Typically where you’d want the amp in the signal path, could be dead last or before time based effects.
First time I heard of a buffer 😳
Welcome!
Great video. Speaking of “not hard fast rules”, I have Boost=>OD=>Fuzz as stacked pedals where the boost is slightly added high and level and the Fuzz is barely on but roars when the other pedals push it. I go into a Boss TU-3 first (which has a buffer) before everything else. I’ll have to try to move my Wah to the front and also tinker with my fuzz as “pre-buffer” to see how it goes.
Thanks again.
Mr Rig Doctor Sir. You are the Best!!! Thank You So Much for explaining it so easy to digest. I appreciate it!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
what about the noise gate?
Noise gate should go early in the chain so that it is gating based on your cleanest input signal to best differentiate between what is your instrument input and what is noise. Then you use the noise gate's send/receive loop for any pedals you want to remove noise from (OD/Distortion). Be aware if your noise suppression pedal has a built-in buffer for the impedance sensitive pedals. Then afterwards would be delay/reverb, things with trails that shouldn't get cut by the gate, and the rest of the chain.
where would you put a loop pedal?
At the end
That was SURGICAL! Thanks Doctor.
Thanks for watching!
Finally someone goes in depth, thank you so much
Yes!