Chris Eccelston is the reason Doctor Who made a,triumphant return and I am still sad that we only got one season with Him. I liked Tennant a lot but Eccelston was fantastic in the role and he is why fans, old and new, originally tuned in. It was downright stupid that they WANTED To cancel the series after when many when they had 2 fantastic actors, back to back, in the lead role.
He's the modern Tom Baker. Very similar facial features, a deeper voice, more serious demeanor, an unconventional outfit compared to that of his predecessors etc. There were lots of reasons why he was cast, he even has the same eyes and the same smile. It's unfortunate that we didn't get to see more, Chris is one of the greatest actors to have ever played The Doctor
If you want more Big Finish has been doing a series of audios with him that are a prequel to the 9th Doctor meeting Rose. They are fully dramatized and Eccleston voices the 9th Doctor
@@Manraj-xw1cg The best and only proof for that is Big Finish. They improved soooo much about the 6th Doctor and show how good Colin Baker is, given propper material. he ranks on 6th Place of my Doctors ranking, because of Big Finish. They did the same with Christopher Ecclestone. To me "Girl deconstructed" is one of the best Doctor Who storys ever. Jodie with a writer who cares about the material would be epic. I hope that Big Finish gives her a call, prove the **** wrong.
Michael Grade has gone on record in a television interview, that he does not like or understand science fiction. Ironic considering his uncle Lew Grade employed Gerry Anderson to create science fiction shows for him on ITV. There is a newspaper cartoon that shows Michael Grade being visited in his office by the Daleks, with obvious results. 😁😆❤️
I think that if you look at the records you'll find that Dalekmania was over well before 1969. Creator Terry Nation had withdrawn permission for use of the Daleks two years before as he tried (and failed) to flog the American networks the idea of a Dalekcentric series. As such Skaro's favourite mutants hadn't even appeared since the 1967 story The Evil of the Daleks.
Andrew Cartmell was more than prepared to take over from JNT in 1989. He'd written a plan that covered several seasons. That's not the only easily checked factual error in here either.
The TVM was scheduled against the series finale of Roseanne on ABC, which, while also bleeding viewers in it's ninth season, was still drawing in enough to pull in a sizable audience for it's final 2ptr/hour...for nearly twenty years. That show also had an oddly sizable scifi fanbase, with random scifi mentions and Darlene and her boyfriend/eventual husband David ebbing geeks who created their own comic as a subplot. (He would go on to spend another decade as a geek "icon" on Big Bang Theory, which she was a recurring date/fling for his character in early seasons.) (Also, series costar John Goodman has worked with at least THREE DW Companions before they joined DW: Camille Coduri in King Ralph, Jenna Coleman in Dancing on the Edge, and ....blanking on third. Glancing thru wiki list of Companions is not helping. D'Oh! I was introduced to Michaela Coel, who many want to see as 14, when they did Black Earth Rising, together.) Any speculation that Rusty is "bringing back the magic" for 60th and beyond is pure speculation, as s9 doesn't even start for a week, and his tenure resumes for s10. I just want Jodie to stay on until the 60th anniversary for her regeneration, at least.
Like a friend and I have said countless times. We would have loved to have seen how Jodie would have worked with a different showrunner. If she was still the same, Ok, then get rid of her. But you had a pisspoor showrunner (Chibnall), writers more content with writing the Doctor as a Sidekick or a Counselor.
I agree! But I disagree with the counsellor part though, she definitely needed more empathy. Especially like the time Graham tried to vent about his cancer fears and then she just says "I'm socially awkward", like what the fuck? The Doctor is always full of hopeful words and reassurance. Terrible writers the last 2 seasons
@@baaron7 I'm going to chime in as someone that has had relatives with cancer, I did the exact same thing when I found out my grandmother had cancer, sometimes people react differently than others would.
@@neptune04 dude, I understand that, but this is the Doctor, they are a beacon of hope, socially awkward had always been part of the character, but that reaction was more uncaring than awkward. Every single other Doctor would've have given him a big reassuring speech.
Get your facts right. During Trial of a Time Lord the show was on a Saturday and its opposition was the A team. The ratings were pretty much the same in Colin Bakers first year. 7.12 M average was a out the same as season 21. It was up against Coronation Street during the McCoy era.
It had had a weeknight slot ever since Davison took over. JNT was the Chibnall of his day and, although I actually really love Davison, C. Baker and McCoy, the production values had really gone down hill, and some of the writing was atrocious! Yes, there were little nuggets here and there (Earthshock, Visitation, Attack of the Cybermen, Remembrance of the Daleks) but there were far too many Twin Dilemmas, Time and the Ranis, Paradise Towers and Dragonfires (not to mention the worst ever colour DW story of Classic Who, The Happiness Patrol!) to make the show still watchable. (Still watched it though! lol)
The Happiness Patrol was great I thought. I thought all McCoy's stories towards the end were pretty great. I was bit confused at the time why Bertie Basset was on the show though.
It had a week day slot during the Davison era but returned to Saturday evenings for seasons 22 and 23 during Colin Baker's time. It then went back to week nights up against Coronation Street when Sylvester McCoy took over (season 24 on Monday nights and seasons 25 and 26 on Wednesday nights).
It's funny that the statement at the beginning of this video is more apt than most realise. Because the show could have been cancelled all the way back in 1964 after only 13 episodes. The show was given inadequate facilities such as a tiny studio, so the original producer, Verity Lambert gave her boss, Sydney Newman an ultimatum, namely if the BBC did not provide better facilities, then they were better off cancelling the show altogether. History of course has told it's tale, but I always feel that the BBC never really took care of the show for the first 26 years and were in a way resentful of its success.
Doctor Who Was Having A Hard Time During Colin Baker And Sylvester McCoy's Time On The Series. Because The Television Networks At The Time Became Used To Producing Soap Dramas And Reality TV Shows. That's How The Series Got Axed For 16 Years
@@neptune04 Colin Baker was up to this point possibly the best actor in the role of The Doctor, in the sense that he had to play someone who was nothing like him at all (unlike for example Tom Baker, who already is a real life Fourth Doctor). It's tragic that he was hated so much
@@williamhumes7332 But still the series was slowly started to deteriorate during Colin's Era and Sylvester's era because the television networks at the time started to focus on doing soap dramas and reality TV shows
The information in this video regarding the 80's is very poorly researched with several basic inaccuarcies. The narrator even refers to Michael Grade as Garde at one point, suggesting they are just reading a script without knowing what they are on about. The idea that Doctor in Distress had any baring on the future of the show is probably the most stupid of these. It was a dreadful record and badly misconceived but it was heard by hardly anybody (understandably no radio station would play it) and remains a very minor footnote in the 1985 cancellation/hiatus saga.
If the BBC wants Doctor Who to become strong again, it needs the US audience and you only get us if you start consistently having one or two seasons of new shows a year. BBC lost many Americans because we have so many other shows that keep us engaged.
??? I have been a fan of Who since ‘80. Even when it was re-runs, and I never got to see 7. The biggest problems with the 90’s movie is the change to much of the Doctor.
@@charlessmith31 I have been a die hard fan since the early 70’s. My grown children used to watch but because of the sporadic showings and PC attitude.
I’ve been a fan since the 70s and have watched all the series up til Chibnall. We got them late night on PBS. What I don’t like, starting with Chibnall, is that we can’t watch it on streaming services. Right now you would have to pay $2.99/episode to watch series 1 of 13th doctor onward. I’m not paying that too watch something that sucks. I did watch the episode with John Barrowman for 30 seconds of screen time. Annoying but he’s worth $2.99 for 30 seconds. 😆
It wasn't a problem for game of thrones for example... But actually again americans think that america is the centre of the world. In other countries we also watch different tv shows you know. It's not about america, it's about the characters and plot.
The 1996 TV Movie was broadcast opposite (arguably) the US version of _Eastenders,_ that being the insanely popular _Rosanne._ Which ruined the ratings it might have otherwise gotten.
U see, there is a problem here? In 2020 for example, i dont like chibnall or whitaker, but i dont want the show cancelled at all, i want it fixed, thats the problem with the network, if it fails, cause they dont know how to handle it they go and cancel it. Noooo fix it. Thankfully this time they tried to fix it
@@neptune04 i dont like trolling, it fixes nothing. I complain about what i dont like and point out what i think should improve. First season of jodie was a disappointment for me, the second was decent, but for me the timeless child twist was really a kick to the core of the fandom. Like, every showrunner has tweaked a bit the origin, has played woth it, but respecting it enough, thats my problem with this, Chibnall just went and, for me, decided he was better than any other that preceded him. Thats the message he sent for me. And he is far, faaaar from it
@@joseignacioreallozano348 That is fair what I am saying (I apologize I don't always word things right) is I am you glad you gave a reasonable opinion instead of being like half the fan base being like: "ahh it's a girl doctor the show is ruined forever!"
@@neptune04 oooh, i get u. Quite the opposite, seeing what they did with missy i was excited with a female doctor. The problem with the first female doctor is that she couldnt just be good, she had to be excellent, and im not saying it for me, but like to earn everyones hearts, even the ones opposing, and for many, inclusing me, what we encountered has been a very underwelmhing doctor. And im not blaming jodie, ive seen her in other projects and im convinced with enough freedom and the right direction she could be an amazing doctor
Exactly. Well it looks like they are fixing it with RTD. I'm still concerned though that timeless children will be here to stay as a long running plotline moving into the RTD era. Hopefully it does not but if it does then I'm out on any new episodes. I just hate timeless children so much.
I didn't like season 11, mush, season 12 was a modest improvement, but still kinda meh. One big issue was her acting, when she would think over a problem, she'd grunt, like she's taking a huge dump, etc. Doctor who Flux, the writing is kinda a mess, with some bad pacing, but overall, much better, and it seems like Jody Whitaker got some good coaching in, playing the role much better, without the distracting thought-grunts.
Ratings are a poor assessment when comparing to a few years ago. So much more competition out there. However, it is time for a major revamp of the entire show.
Still the quality of the show is not what it used to be in the view of half of the fans and the whole era has been very divisive to the point where a lot of fans kinda quit on the show ever since the timeless children. My hope is having RTD return will reunite the fandom.
Yet some dramas can get twice the viewership. Broadly speaking yes the ratings for most things are down. However make something a real must-see TV event and ratings can be high.
Okay, I'm stopping 3 minutes in because almost every fact so far stated has been wrong. 1) All the "Chesteron" 'flubs' were scripted as a running joke. 2) Hartnell wasn't retired due to ill health - he was in full time work within weeks of leaving, but instead because the producer didn't like him. 3) There was no consideration to axing the show when Hartnell left because Hartnell didn't leave - the producer just replaced a star he didn't like. 4) Dalekmania ended in 1967 not because the audience stopped wanting Daleks, but because Terry Nation, the creator of the Daleks, was trying to sell the idea of a Dalek TV series to America and thus prohibited their us in Dr. Who. This ban remained until 1973 (although the Letts/Dicks production team accidentally made a Dalek episode in 1972 without permission). 5) There was no serious consideration to axing the show around the season 6 / 7 boundary. The internal discussion was that Dr. Who wasn't getting the audience it used to, but as they had 25 Saturday nights per year still to fill and no real alternatives, it was never seriously thought about to cancel the show. 6) "The Younger More Dashing Third Doctor" - Jon Pertwee was older than Patrick Troughton, who he replaced. ... At which point I just figured "You know what, they're not interested in facts, just clicks", so I turned off.
I tried, Really tried to like the "Lady Doctor" but I gave up after the third show. I have been a fan since the Third Doctor and I agree, the story has been going down for sometime. Not sure the TRUE FANS with forgive or forget "The Timeless Children."
Well, whether or not you think the Timeless Child is a good piece of writing is a pretty good indicator to be fair. What's next? Maybe next season, the Doctor can fly and shoot rice pudding out of her ears. It would make about as much sense and I reckon there would still be some morons defending it.
Before I got to the end I new jodies Era was going to be brought up . Us fans have struggled threw jodies run and I think it'll be better once she snd chibnall are gone
Incorrect. Us fans have very much enjoyed Jodie’s run; we’ve been less than happy about being so massively persecuted simply for daring to actually make that enjoyment public!
Jodie is the Colin Baker of this gen, had potential to be a good Doctor but it was sadly tied to a writting team that couldn't write a cheap soap opera if their lives depended on it.
My only complaints with series 11-12 are somewhat rubbish writing and completely ignoring the fact that the Doctor's body is now a completely different type of body than she'd ever been (or remembered being at least) in before. Like, even something as small as bumping her hip on the TARDIS console or the like, that's all I asked. Also, I miss Ryan and Graham.
I really think Doctor Who is very unrelatedly and godlike. I like to see the Doctor to lose the Tardis, sonic screw driver and magic ID. Like James Bond Daniel Craig, use her wits and experience to survive.
I'm glad that you included Chibs in this list! I had watched the show since the mid 80's but the show under him just doesn't feel right and I gave up after that awful Dalek episode!
Eccleston blew the doors off but BBC idiots thought the snow would die without Whinny Tennant's doctor?! McGann could of done it but they had Fox which has destroyed a lot of good shows. Roberts played the scary master as a scene chewing waste.
Palmer Gant got screwed by United States I hate to say it. They destroyed canon in that movie. They put the eye of harmony on the tardis. When is supposed to be on Gala Fray. And he was taking the master to stand trial on the Home planet of the The Home Planet of the Dalex. Which would never happen
3:54 Who is "Garde"? 10:52 "Intrigued"??? REALLY??? 11:05 Oh dear, you used the term "companions" to describe the occupants of the TARDIS in the Chibnall era? That could start a riot.
Whittaker's era has been awful. The writing is very poor and the Doctor is very, very weak. If The Doctor used 'popular' words like, "fam" 🙄 is supposed to be a joke, it's severely missed the mark. Also, I can't stand Jodie Whittaker in anything she's in. She just plays herself in anything she's in. I have no issues with the Doctor being a woman, as I truly feel Jo Martin should be the next Doctor. I really hope RTD can save this show.
@@debshaw680 She seemed to have a different character in Antigone granted that's not exactly TV but just throwing it out she can do different types of characters.
@@mrdr0161 Black Mirror, Broardchurch, The Smoke, Attack The Block and a few other things I don't remember the names of. I'm afraid she carries the same traits into every role, it seems.
I stopped watching when Peter Capaldi came on board. The writing just wasn't at the same standard and Capaldi was, to me, irritating. Favourites? Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker and the first 3 new doctors.
I’m curious. “Jodie’’s era has its passionate fans and defenders” if someone watching this is a passionate fan and defender of the past 3 years I would love to actually see if you exist.? Have these past years been Polarising or has it brought us all together in hating what our show has become?
People overreact when it comes to Chibnall. He's not a good writer at all, sure, but him messing with the lore for example isn't the biggest problem like some people seem to see it. His casting choices are questionable at best, the look of the show looks very washed out (a problem to a lesser extent in some of the Capaldi era as well) and his writing is too fan-fiction-y. The show under him isn't fun anymore, because not even the actors are given enough to do something with. Every era of Doctor Who has corny writing, some people just forget about it because of nostalgia, the reason why Doctor Who is still so beloved, is because the acting performances are fun to watch. The wackiness of the show when it doesn't take itself too serious is fun. All of that isn't there in the Chibnall era and that's what's missing. Idk how much of that is his fault, maybe some BBC executives want Doctor Who to feel like a generic dumb Netflix show. Not everything is the writing though, especially for a show like Doctor Who. Even the John Nathan Turner era was fun most of the time, that's what matters
Mandeep Gill was on BBC Breakfast this morning. She displayed more personality in 5 mins than 2 seasons in Doctor Who. Shame this didn’t translate. I feel the same case applies to Jodie.
@@user-fu7zf4ck9z Chinballs messing with 50+ years of lore is absolutely a big problem. Much like Rian Johnson retrospectively fucking up every space battle in Star Wars before or since The Last Jedi.
@@PetersonZF doctor who has a very messy lore that was never consistent to begin with. What he did with the timeless child was stupid, but not because it changed the lore
It was already questionable to me, a female 13th Doctor, but I'm not sure I'd carry on if we just go back to a male when we've already had 13 of them including the war Doctor. Doctor 14 must be a female.
"Many fans were intrigued" BWAHAHAHAHAHA - the fans were pissed. And Jody Whitaker is trash. The ratings on this version is pure evidence - and it had NOTHING to do with the COOF. Thank god she is leaving.
Michael grade went on record comparing a TV show such as Doctor who on a BBC budget to big blockbusters such as Star wars, E.T. and close encounters the money went to other shows such as EastEnders it was put up against another big hit tv show The A-team they then did again in 1989 together with other shows such as Howard's way and all creatures great and small and money went to for disaster that became Eldorado he just didn't like the show
1:00 - Can we please put an end to this urban myth? William Hartnell was NOT fired because of his poor health, he was fired because none of the directors at the BBC was prepared to work with him anymore. He was such a short-tempered, overbearing presence on set that he had offended almost all the production crew he had worked with by 1966. Hartnell's performances certainly weren't a problem. Sure there were fluffs here and there, but that was because the BBC policy at the time was to record shows 'as-live' and not allow more than a couple of re-takes per episode. They were no more present in episodes by the end of his stint on the show than they had been at the beginning, and all the other lead actors on Doctor Who would have had a similar record of fluffs if the re-takes policy hadn't changed in the late-60s. Try listening to his secondary performance as the Abbot in "The Massacre" - Hartnell is literally word-perfect throughout, and that was recorded only a few months before the first regeneration. As for Hartnell's arteriosclerosis, it wasn't even DIAGNOSED until months after he had already left the series. It didn't seriously start affecting his memory until some years later.
Check big finish he's massively fixed there and a lot of the earlier audios are cheap asf I reccomend Jubilee (what became 9's Dalek) and The Holy Terror
@@dylangoodfellow4778 True- not everything was terrible. Vengeance on Varos was horrible, Mark of the Rani dreadful, Two Doctors an embarrassing disaster, Timelash possibly the worst story ever leaving an average Cyberman story and one of the worst Daleks story ever made. So yes not everything was as bad as Dr Who's nadir, Twin Dilemma
When will this fandom stop seeing the 13th Doctor's era as a flop with "ratings going down"? , the ratings doesn't matter, we're talking about the UK here, still millions watch the show there and all over the world, stop please taking ratings in the UK seriously, ratings in the UK have never been important in the new era of Doctor Who since 2005, we have mass exposure and social media now and Doctor Who trends on Twitter everytime an episode airs, even to this day, and that means people all over the world are still watching the show and are loyal to it.
they've totally destroyed the shows leagcy. there was no need to change the winning formula but just let some new people work on creative stories going forward. i was a fan from my childhood up to a few years ago and wont even bother watching now. take it off air for a few years and reboot it form matt smiths final episode and retcon this crap into the trash
It's like the show is basically Rory. When it dies, it just won't.
Until the one time it actually does lol
@@22dallas1 that's when the Chibnall era started
@@22dallas1 Dr Who when it was finished in 1989 a year I did not liek was a shame in billions of ways
@@arthurmorgan6359 Hopefully 14 will be better.
Or the master 😂
Chris Eccelston is the reason Doctor Who made a,triumphant return and I am still sad that we only got one season with Him. I liked Tennant a lot but Eccelston was fantastic in the role and he is why fans, old and new, originally tuned in. It was downright stupid that they WANTED To cancel the series after when many when they had 2 fantastic actors, back to back, in the lead role.
He's the modern Tom Baker. Very similar facial features, a deeper voice, more serious demeanor, an unconventional outfit compared to that of his predecessors etc. There were lots of reasons why he was cast, he even has the same eyes and the same smile. It's unfortunate that we didn't get to see more, Chris is one of the greatest actors to have ever played The Doctor
@@user-fu7zf4ck9z He is the modern Tom Baker, and it just so happens that Mr. Baker is My Doctor...
If you want more Big Finish has been doing a series of audios with him that are a prequel to the 9th Doctor meeting Rose. They are fully dramatized and Eccleston voices the 9th Doctor
Glad to see RTD coming back. Kinda of wish Jodie would stick around though. I'd love to see her Doctor under RTD's direction
Mhm I feel like with better writing Jodie could really flourish as I doubt even Baker could do well with the material
She'd be far better with better writing, her doctor has a lot of unique and funny traits but they're written so poorly it sucks.
I soo agree it’s sad she never got a good show runner or headwriter
@@Manraj-xw1cg The best and only proof for that is Big Finish. They improved soooo much about the 6th Doctor and show how good Colin Baker is, given propper material. he ranks on 6th Place of my Doctors ranking, because of Big Finish.
They did the same with Christopher Ecclestone. To me "Girl deconstructed" is one of the best Doctor Who storys ever.
Jodie with a writer who cares about the material would be epic. I hope that Big Finish gives her a call, prove the **** wrong.
Maybe in the 60th
Michael Grade has gone on record in a television interview, that he does not like or understand science fiction. Ironic considering his uncle Lew Grade employed Gerry Anderson to create science fiction shows for him on ITV.
There is a newspaper cartoon that shows Michael Grade being visited in his office by the Daleks, with obvious results. 😁😆❤️
It doesn't run in the family.
So, he was pushing for a show to be cancelled simply because he doesn't understand it? That's completely idiotic.
The show was going to be cancelled after it’s first run of stories but the popularity of the first Daley story saved it from the axe.
Just a quick note, Pertwee was a YOUNGER Doctor?
Pertwee was older, by only 8 months.
@@mvanh1956 My point still stands, he wasn't a YOUNGER Doctor.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. And the tragic hairstyle didn’t help.
He did feel a little younger, a bit more of an action man
@@danthemeegs8751 that was intentional. The idea was to imply that even though he looked old on the outside, inside he was still a young Time Lord.
I think that if you look at the records you'll find that Dalekmania was over well before 1969. Creator Terry Nation had withdrawn permission for use of the Daleks two years before as he tried (and failed) to flog the American networks the idea of a Dalekcentric series. As such Skaro's favourite mutants hadn't even appeared since the 1967 story The Evil of the Daleks.
Yeah and by then they were down. Dalekmania kind of died after DMP
Andrew Cartmell was more than prepared to take over from JNT in 1989. He'd written a plan that covered several seasons. That's not the only easily checked factual error in here either.
Its incredible how long this show has lasted and continues to last! Long Live Doctor Who!
The TVM was scheduled against the series finale of Roseanne on ABC, which, while also bleeding viewers in it's ninth season, was still drawing in enough to pull in a sizable audience for it's final 2ptr/hour...for nearly twenty years. That show also had an oddly sizable scifi fanbase, with random scifi mentions and Darlene and her boyfriend/eventual husband David ebbing geeks who created their own comic as a subplot. (He would go on to spend another decade as a geek "icon" on Big Bang Theory, which she was a recurring date/fling for his character in early seasons.)
(Also, series costar John Goodman has worked with at least THREE DW Companions before they joined DW: Camille Coduri in King Ralph, Jenna Coleman in Dancing on the Edge, and ....blanking on third. Glancing thru wiki list of Companions is not helping. D'Oh! I was introduced to Michaela Coel, who many want to see as 14, when they did Black Earth Rising, together.)
Any speculation that Rusty is "bringing back the magic" for 60th and beyond is pure speculation, as s9 doesn't even start for a week, and his tenure resumes for s10. I just want Jodie to stay on until the 60th anniversary for her regeneration, at least.
I WILL NEVER BE CANCELLED! I AM INVINCIBLE! EVEN THE PANDORICA CAN’T HOLD ME
"Never Tell Me The Rules!!"
How's the fez fitting you?
Like a friend and I have said countless times. We would have loved to have seen how Jodie would have worked with a different showrunner.
If she was still the same, Ok, then get rid of her. But you had a pisspoor showrunner (Chibnall), writers more content with writing the Doctor as a Sidekick or a Counselor.
I tell people constantly it was way before her time but IMO she would have shined under Heincliffe/Holmes
I agree! But I disagree with the counsellor part though, she definitely needed more empathy. Especially like the time Graham tried to vent about his cancer fears and then she just says "I'm socially awkward", like what the fuck? The Doctor is always full of hopeful words and reassurance. Terrible writers the last 2 seasons
@@baaron7 I'm going to chime in as someone that has had relatives with cancer, I did the exact same thing when I found out my grandmother had cancer, sometimes people react differently than others would.
@@neptune04 dude, I understand that, but this is the Doctor, they are a beacon of hope, socially awkward had always been part of the character, but that reaction was more uncaring than awkward.
Every single other Doctor would've have given him a big reassuring speech.
@@baaron7 Not all of them six wouldn't, seven would or would not depending on the situation, neither would one or four it varies from doctor to doctor
Get your facts right. During Trial of a Time Lord the show was on a Saturday and its opposition was the A team. The ratings were pretty much the same in Colin Bakers first year. 7.12 M average was a out the same as season 21. It was up against Coronation Street during the McCoy era.
It came close to cancellation in 1981 when Tom left. The BBC gave serious thought to ending it then.
It had had a weeknight slot ever since Davison took over. JNT was the Chibnall of his day and, although I actually really love Davison, C. Baker and McCoy, the production values had really gone down hill, and some of the writing was atrocious! Yes, there were little nuggets here and there (Earthshock, Visitation, Attack of the Cybermen, Remembrance of the Daleks) but there were far too many Twin Dilemmas, Time and the Ranis, Paradise Towers and Dragonfires (not to mention the worst ever colour DW story of Classic Who, The Happiness Patrol!) to make the show still watchable. (Still watched it though! lol)
,Paradise Towers and Dragonfire are good if you want something truly terrible look at delta and the bannermam
The Happiness Patrol was great I thought. I thought all McCoy's stories towards the end were pretty great. I was bit confused at the time why Bertie Basset was on the show though.
Peter D is one of my favorite Doctors.
It had a week day slot during the Davison era but returned to Saturday evenings for seasons 22 and 23 during Colin Baker's time. It then went back to week nights up against Coronation Street when Sylvester McCoy took over (season 24 on Monday nights and seasons 25 and 26 on Wednesday nights).
I thought the worst episode was 'The Twin Dilemma', but maybe that's just me.
It's funny that the statement at the beginning of this video is more apt than most realise.
Because the show could have been cancelled all the way back in 1964 after only 13 episodes.
The show was given inadequate facilities such as a tiny studio, so the original producer, Verity Lambert gave her boss, Sydney Newman an ultimatum, namely if the BBC did not provide better facilities, then they were better off cancelling the show altogether.
History of course has told it's tale, but I always feel that the BBC never really took care of the show for the first 26 years and were in a way resentful of its success.
Doctor Who Was Having A Hard Time During Colin Baker And Sylvester McCoy's Time On The Series. Because The Television Networks At The Time Became Used To Producing Soap Dramas And Reality TV Shows. That's How The Series Got Axed For 16 Years
Plus the fact that Grade hated Colin Baker as well as the show.
@@neptune04 Colin Baker was up to this point possibly the best actor in the role of The Doctor, in the sense that he had to play someone who was nothing like him at all (unlike for example Tom Baker, who already is a real life Fourth Doctor). It's tragic that he was hated so much
@@neptune04 And it came at a cost of his knighthood.
@@williamhumes7332 But still the series was slowly started to deteriorate during Colin's Era and Sylvester's era because the television networks at the time started to focus on doing soap dramas and reality TV shows
Dont like Chris chibnil but I love his series 13 looks I think it may redeem his era slightly
Appearances can be deceiving, but we shall see
You don't cancel the doctor, the doctor cancels you
Soviet Doctor
Now that thumb nail is doctor who
the FIRST doctor
The second doctor
And the third doctor
Hartnell will always be the first doctor and a time lord
The information in this video regarding the 80's is very poorly researched with several basic inaccuarcies. The narrator even refers to Michael Grade as Garde at one point, suggesting they are just reading a script without knowing what they are on about. The idea that Doctor in Distress had any baring on the future of the show is probably the most stupid of these. It was a dreadful record and badly misconceived but it was heard by hardly anybody (understandably no radio station would play it) and remains a very minor footnote in the 1985 cancellation/hiatus saga.
I'm one of the 'almost no-one' people that bought Doctor in Distress. Still waiting for a follow up.
If the BBC wants Doctor Who to become strong again, it needs the US audience and you only get us if you start consistently having one or two seasons of new shows a year. BBC lost many Americans because we have so many other shows that keep us engaged.
??? I have been a fan of Who since ‘80. Even when it was re-runs, and I never got to see 7. The biggest problems with the 90’s movie is the change to much of the Doctor.
@@charlessmith31 I have been a die hard fan since the early 70’s. My grown children used to watch but because of the sporadic showings and PC attitude.
I’ve been a fan since the 70s and have watched all the series up til Chibnall. We got them late night on PBS. What I don’t like, starting with Chibnall, is that we can’t watch it on streaming services. Right now you would have to pay $2.99/episode to watch series 1 of 13th doctor onward. I’m not paying that too watch something that sucks. I did watch the episode with John Barrowman for 30 seconds of screen time. Annoying but he’s worth $2.99 for 30 seconds. 😆
It wasn't a problem for game of thrones for example... But actually again americans think that america is the centre of the world. In other countries we also watch different tv shows you know. It's not about america, it's about the characters and plot.
Jon Pertwee was indeed dashing. But he was one year OLDER than Pat Troughton.
The 1996 TV Movie was broadcast opposite (arguably) the US version of _Eastenders,_ that being the insanely popular _Rosanne._ Which ruined the ratings it might have otherwise gotten.
The best thing is William Hartnell recommended Patrick Troughton!
I really miss Matt Smith's doctor
Jon Pertwee was older than Patrick Troughton, not younger. Not that you'd notice! :)
The TV Movie may not have done well in the states, but was a huge hit in the UK. It was the fact it was a co-production that caused it not to return
U see, there is a problem here? In 2020 for example, i dont like chibnall or whitaker, but i dont want the show cancelled at all, i want it fixed, thats the problem with the network, if it fails, cause they dont know how to handle it they go and cancel it. Noooo fix it. Thankfully this time they tried to fix it
Thank you for having a reasonable argument about it instead of being a troll.
@@neptune04 i dont like trolling, it fixes nothing. I complain about what i dont like and point out what i think should improve. First season of jodie was a disappointment for me, the second was decent, but for me the timeless child twist was really a kick to the core of the fandom. Like, every showrunner has tweaked a bit the origin, has played woth it, but respecting it enough, thats my problem with this, Chibnall just went and, for me, decided he was better than any other that preceded him. Thats the message he sent for me. And he is far, faaaar from it
@@joseignacioreallozano348 That is fair what I am saying (I apologize I don't always word things right) is I am you glad you gave a reasonable opinion instead of being like half the fan base being like: "ahh it's a girl doctor the show is ruined forever!"
@@neptune04 oooh, i get u. Quite the opposite, seeing what they did with missy i was excited with a female doctor. The problem with the first female doctor is that she couldnt just be good, she had to be excellent, and im not saying it for me, but like to earn everyones hearts, even the ones opposing, and for many, inclusing me, what we encountered has been a very underwelmhing doctor. And im not blaming jodie, ive seen her in other projects and im convinced with enough freedom and the right direction she could be an amazing doctor
Exactly. Well it looks like they are fixing it with RTD. I'm still concerned though that timeless children will be here to stay as a long running plotline moving into the RTD era. Hopefully it does not but if it does then I'm out on any new episodes. I just hate timeless children so much.
Why im so grateful we still have it today
I didn't like season 11, mush, season 12 was a modest improvement, but still kinda meh. One big issue was her acting, when she would think over a problem, she'd grunt, like she's taking a huge dump, etc. Doctor who Flux, the writing is kinda a mess, with some bad pacing, but overall, much better, and it seems like Jody Whitaker got some good coaching in, playing the role much better, without the distracting thought-grunts.
Have not come across any defenders of jodies doctor
0:14 BANG BANG CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG!!!!
i've never heard of the more popular coronation street, lol.
i've always thought it was chesterson not chesterton
There were not many Americans to see the TV Movie as when it was broadcast in the states it was put up against a special episode of Rosanne.
Would like to see five but can only come up with three!!!
Matt Smith is my favourite Dr Who
GERONIMO
BBC like the Master is always trying to kill the Doctor
...and rarely succeeding!
Its amazing how they go on about how Doctor Who's ratings are low while ignoring the fact that TV ratings are down for every program.
Ratings are a poor assessment when comparing to a few years ago. So much more competition out there. However, it is time for a major revamp of the entire show.
Still the quality of the show is not what it used to be in the view of half of the fans and the whole era has been very divisive to the point where a lot of fans kinda quit on the show ever since the timeless children. My hope is having RTD return will reunite the fandom.
And doctor who is still one of the most viewed shows in the UK
Yet some dramas can get twice the viewership. Broadly speaking yes the ratings for most things are down. However make something a real must-see TV event and ratings can be high.
Ratings don't equal quality at all. Dimensions in Time got 13million....
If they cancelled it after RTD and Tennant left I probably never would've watched it.
Was this video meant as a spoof? It’s hard to tell.
Next you should do top 10 Sarah Jane adventures episodes
Patrick Troughton was older than Jon Pertwee?
2023: New Doctor and New Showrunner...well kind of.
Grade is mangled into "Garde" after one sentence!
No. Doctor who was not nearly cancelled in 2020. At no point was it nearly cancelled last year.
Okay, I'm stopping 3 minutes in because almost every fact so far stated has been wrong.
1) All the "Chesteron" 'flubs' were scripted as a running joke.
2) Hartnell wasn't retired due to ill health - he was in full time work within weeks of leaving, but instead because the producer didn't like him.
3) There was no consideration to axing the show when Hartnell left because Hartnell didn't leave - the producer just replaced a star he didn't like.
4) Dalekmania ended in 1967 not because the audience stopped wanting Daleks, but because Terry Nation, the creator of the Daleks, was trying to sell the idea of a Dalek TV series to America and thus prohibited their us in Dr. Who. This ban remained until 1973 (although the Letts/Dicks production team accidentally made a Dalek episode in 1972 without permission).
5) There was no serious consideration to axing the show around the season 6 / 7 boundary. The internal discussion was that Dr. Who wasn't getting the audience it used to, but as they had 25 Saturday nights per year still to fill and no real alternatives, it was never seriously thought about to cancel the show.
6) "The Younger More Dashing Third Doctor" - Jon Pertwee was older than Patrick Troughton, who he replaced.
... At which point I just figured "You know what, they're not interested in facts, just clicks", so I turned off.
There will be future hiatuses. However the show will always be around in some form. It will always make a come back.
Actually, Pertwee was older than Troughton
Michael Grade is a Dalek
I tried, Really tried to like the "Lady Doctor" but I gave up after the third show. I have been a fan since the Third Doctor and I agree, the story has been going down for sometime. Not sure the TRUE FANS with forgive or forget "The Timeless Children."
Here we go. Another old man who thinks he can dictate who a "true fan" is and someone can only be a true fan if they agree with everything you think
Well, whether or not you think the Timeless Child is a good piece of writing is a pretty good indicator to be fair. What's next? Maybe next season, the Doctor can fly and shoot rice pudding out of her ears. It would make about as much sense and I reckon there would still be some morons defending it.
Before I got to the end I new jodies Era was going to be brought up . Us fans have struggled threw jodies run and I think it'll be better once she snd chibnall are gone
Incorrect. Us fans have very much enjoyed Jodie’s run; we’ve been less than happy about being so massively persecuted simply for daring to actually make that enjoyment public!
Completely agree.
@@slumdogjay With whom? The idiot OP or the rational first responder?
I disagree I like Jodie's era sure it's not the best in the world but I like it, it reminds me a bit of classic era.
Don't speak for everyone
Jodie is the Colin Baker of this gen, had potential to be a good Doctor but it was sadly tied to a writting team that couldn't write a cheap soap opera if their lives depended on it.
My only complaints with series 11-12 are somewhat rubbish writing and completely ignoring the fact that the Doctor's body is now a completely different type of body than she'd ever been (or remembered being at least) in before. Like, even something as small as bumping her hip on the TARDIS console or the like, that's all I asked. Also, I miss Ryan and Graham.
Its a shame they made basically no mention of the gender change on screen best we got was "Come to daddy...Uh mummy?"
6 Times Doctor Who was nearly canceled (and so it actually did)
But it’s 7 Times done lol
Didn’t it nearly get cancelled because the first episode aired the same time Kennedy was shot?
Jon Pertwee was older than Patrick Troughton by a year
Jon Pert?
I really think Doctor Who is very unrelatedly and godlike. I like to see the Doctor to lose the Tardis, sonic screw driver and magic ID. Like James Bond Daniel Craig, use her wits and experience to survive.
I'm glad that you included Chibs in this list! I had watched the show since the mid 80's but the show under him just doesn't feel right and I gave up after that awful Dalek episode!
2. "Hello, I'm The Doctor.....Basically: Run"
Eccleston blew the doors off but BBC idiots thought the snow would die without Whinny Tennant's doctor?!
McGann could of done it but they had Fox which has destroyed a lot of good shows. Roberts played the scary master as a scene chewing waste.
alonsy
Glad it wasn't cancelled 🤣🤣
Damn. Poor Doctor Who.
Didn’t they almost cancel the show in 1981
Palmer Gant got screwed by United States I hate to say it. They destroyed canon in that movie. They put the eye of harmony on the tardis. When is supposed to be on Gala Fray. And he was taking the master to stand trial on the Home planet of the The Home Planet of the Dalex. Which would never happen
Garde hated the show?
The actual darkest hour was Jodie Whitaker's take as the Doctor
And why is that
3:54 Who is "Garde"?
10:52 "Intrigued"??? REALLY???
11:05 Oh dear, you used the term "companions" to describe the occupants of the TARDIS in the Chibnall era? That could start a riot.
I am glad I don't remember the single.
Un(?)popular opinion, I *love* Doctor Who The Movie
MICHAEL GRADE!
The flux was stupid
Whittaker's era has been awful. The writing is very poor and the Doctor is very, very weak. If The Doctor used 'popular' words like, "fam" 🙄 is supposed to be a joke, it's severely missed the mark. Also, I can't stand Jodie Whittaker in anything she's in. She just plays herself in anything she's in. I have no issues with the Doctor being a woman, as I truly feel Jo Martin should be the next Doctor. I really hope RTD can save this show.
Yeah I’m not keen on her. I’ve seen her in quite a few things and she plays the same character in everything. No personality.
@@debshaw680 exactly this
@@debshaw680 She seemed to have a different character in Antigone granted that's not exactly TV but just throwing it out she can do different types of characters.
What have you seen her in then? Because she's nothing like most of her roles
@@mrdr0161 Black Mirror, Broardchurch, The Smoke, Attack The Block and a few other things I don't remember the names of. I'm afraid she carries the same traits into every role, it seems.
I stopped watching when Peter Capaldi came on board. The writing just wasn't at the same standard and Capaldi was, to me, irritating. Favourites? Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker and the first 3 new doctors.
Polarising? No shit
I’m curious. “Jodie’’s era has its passionate fans and defenders” if someone watching this is a passionate fan and defender of the past 3 years I would love to actually see if you exist.?
Have these past years been Polarising or has it brought us all together in hating what our show has become?
Very true. "Controversial" or "polarising" is often a polite way of saying "everyone hates it"
People overreact when it comes to Chibnall. He's not a good writer at all, sure, but him messing with the lore for example isn't the biggest problem like some people seem to see it. His casting choices are questionable at best, the look of the show looks very washed out (a problem to a lesser extent in some of the Capaldi era as well) and his writing is too fan-fiction-y. The show under him isn't fun anymore, because not even the actors are given enough to do something with. Every era of Doctor Who has corny writing, some people just forget about it because of nostalgia, the reason why Doctor Who is still so beloved, is because the acting performances are fun to watch. The wackiness of the show when it doesn't take itself too serious is fun. All of that isn't there in the Chibnall era and that's what's missing. Idk how much of that is his fault, maybe some BBC executives want Doctor Who to feel like a generic dumb Netflix show. Not everything is the writing though, especially for a show like Doctor Who. Even the John Nathan Turner era was fun most of the time, that's what matters
Mandeep Gill was on BBC Breakfast this morning. She displayed more personality in 5 mins than 2 seasons in Doctor Who. Shame this didn’t translate. I feel the same case applies to Jodie.
@@user-fu7zf4ck9z Chinballs messing with 50+ years of lore is absolutely a big problem. Much like Rian Johnson retrospectively fucking up every space battle in Star Wars before or since The Last Jedi.
@@PetersonZF doctor who has a very messy lore that was never consistent to begin with. What he did with the timeless child was stupid, but not because it changed the lore
After the timeless child, i won't be watching until next year when Chibnall and Whittakier are going.
I'm so glad that the doctors female and that she is awesome, forgetful but awesome.
It was already questionable to me, a female 13th Doctor, but I'm not sure I'd carry on if we just go back to a male when we've already had 13 of them including the war Doctor. Doctor 14 must be a female.
I am
The show is back on Halloween, beware of the Flux. 👻❤️
I'm so looking forward to Russell T. Davies' return to the TARDIS. I am gonna miss Jodi Whittaker. Hope Mr. Chibnal never returns to the series.
"Many fans were intrigued" BWAHAHAHAHAHA - the fans were pissed. And Jody Whitaker is trash. The ratings on this version is pure evidence - and it had NOTHING to do with the COOF. Thank god she is leaving.
Michael grade went on record comparing a TV show such as Doctor who on a BBC budget to big blockbusters such as Star wars, E.T. and close encounters the money went to other shows such as EastEnders it was put up against another big hit tv show The A-team they then did again in 1989 together with other shows such as Howard's way and all creatures great and small and money went to for disaster that became Eldorado he just didn't like the show
It should be cancelled now. Past its sell by date
John bishop was such a non-character, he didn’t add anything to the series, he was a nice guy but that was about it
1:00 - Can we please put an end to this urban myth? William Hartnell was NOT fired because of his poor health, he was fired because none of the directors at the BBC was prepared to work with him anymore. He was such a short-tempered, overbearing presence on set that he had offended almost all the production crew he had worked with by 1966.
Hartnell's performances certainly weren't a problem. Sure there were fluffs here and there, but that was because the BBC policy at the time was to record shows 'as-live' and not allow more than a couple of re-takes per episode. They were no more present in episodes by the end of his stint on the show than they had been at the beginning, and all the other lead actors on Doctor Who would have had a similar record of fluffs if the re-takes policy hadn't changed in the late-60s. Try listening to his secondary performance as the Abbot in "The Massacre" - Hartnell is literally word-perfect throughout, and that was recorded only a few months before the first regeneration.
As for Hartnell's arteriosclerosis, it wasn't even DIAGNOSED until months after he had already left the series. It didn't seriously start affecting his memory until some years later.
Now I've watched classic who, Colin Baker is my least favourite doctor I've only seen two of his stories and I just can't get into his doctor
Check big finish he's massively fixed there and a lot of the earlier audios are cheap asf I reccomend Jubilee (what became 9's Dalek) and The Holy Terror
Season 22 is good not everything is the twin dilemma
Ironically, he got sacked before HE could get into his Doctor. There was a character development planned, that never got the chance to happen fully
@@user-tr3wv7wk4m Well, if it's so shit at the beginning, there's not much to build up to
@@dylangoodfellow4778 True- not everything was terrible. Vengeance on Varos was horrible, Mark of the Rani dreadful, Two Doctors an embarrassing disaster, Timelash possibly the worst story ever leaving an average Cyberman story and one of the worst Daleks story ever made. So yes not everything was as bad as Dr Who's nadir, Twin Dilemma
Cvid 19 has nothing to do with the decline during the Whitaker era.
When will this fandom stop seeing the 13th Doctor's era as a flop with "ratings going down"? , the ratings doesn't matter, we're talking about the UK here, still millions watch the show there and all over the world, stop please taking ratings in the UK seriously, ratings in the UK have never been important in the new era of Doctor Who since 2005, we have mass exposure and social media now and Doctor Who trends on Twitter everytime an episode airs, even to this day, and that means people all over the world are still watching the show and are loyal to it.
One time Doctor Who should’ve been canceled. Before they were stupid enough to put a woman in the role
they've totally destroyed the shows leagcy. there was no need to change the winning formula but just let some new people work on creative stories going forward. i was a fan from my childhood up to a few years ago and wont even bother watching now. take it off air for a few years and reboot it form matt smiths final episode and retcon this crap into the trash
That last entry shouldn't be there. Just fandom outrage wank
The fact RTD is back at all shows you how seriously the BBC are taking it. It's not something in a vacuum.
It divided the fanbase lol. I mean a lot of people were mad about the timeless children. All sides of the fandom did not like it.
I didn’t lose faith in Doctor Who, I lost faith in the show runners. Jody was great, but Chris Chibnal was dreadful!
I agree with the trash Chris chibnall writing he defiled doctor who with clearly constant openly gay characters
Hopfully it will get better
I'm afraid it's cancelled for me until #13 finally makes her exit 😑
Doctor who + America = Failure