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People live fascinated with the twist of the season 2 finale, but the series became the gem it is because of eps. 3, 4, 5 and 6 (S2). The finales of both seasons were good, but Boar on the Floor ("Hunting" in general), Kendall's suicidal vulnerability and his relationship with his family (ep. 4), the arrival of the Pierces, the final fight between Nan, Logan and Rhea, and the politics behind it, are the reasons Succession soared. It was in those four moments that S. went from having a slow pace to becoming HBO's most ambitious series. From Hunting to Argestes, Succession crystallized its ambition and could show what it would represent culturally as a mega-series. Love all this.
@@freedomm This may be an unpopular opinion, but the more I watch seasons 1 and 3, the more I fall in love with season 2. Everything about Hunting, Argestes, Tern Haven and D.C. worked perfectly. And Cherry Jones' staging in both episodes was sublime. The Pierces, the Roys and Rhea elevated Succession to the top. And I very much doubt that the producers of Succession can top that set of episodes (and D.C.).
I must have watched this scene 20+ times. It is a masterpiece. Logan is desperate for the deal to materialize and yet he refuses to be cornered. That is what makes him what he is - strong, ruthless, fierce, respected and successful.
Their negotiation was so moronic, Imagine you went to a car dealership and make an offer, they agree and then later ask you even more money and when you say yes to that BS they add "also I don't like the way you drive so fast, could you gift this car to your daughter ?" Either you sell it to him or not but don't ask for his money and in the same breath dictate what the fuck to do with his company.
Just noticed that the Roys + Gerri are all in black while the Pierces are wearing white (Naomi wearing black and white symbolic of her mediating both sides). God damn
@1:46 love the look on her face when he goes to 25 billion. You can see on her expression how hungry she is for the cash even though she's banging on about ethics. Great acting all round in this scene.
Logan was a brilliant business man. He wanted this deal more than ever but still could never let someone else dictate his heir; even though both him and the other party wanted Shiv to succeed. He still rolled the dice on them caving, which they did.
@@potatorecipe742 he was trying to groom her but obviously it'll take time despite her connections she has no experience being an executive in the corporate world - but she wanted it NOW NOW NOW - such a brat
@@never152 but Logan is just dealing in bullshit too. He was going to name his daughter as his successor, he already decided. This was also the only viable was at the time to stop a takeover of his company. He was willing to trade away billions of dollars more and put his company at risk, only because he didn’t like being told what to do……that’s not business, that’s childish
Logan was able to hide what he really felt about leaving with no deal. He had an outburst in the helicopter. I thought he was okay leaving with no deal. Then at Argetes, Logan Roy, the powerful and scary man, chased Nan outside to the pickup area. Even banged on Nan's car door. I've never seen Logan so vulnerable and that upset before. Turns out he needed the deal more than Nan.
It’s interesting that they had Kendall in the room but not Roman. It’s also interesting that when they demand Logan name Shiv as his successor, the camera lands on Kendall looking disappointed, and pans to Logan looking at or near Kendall. On top of it being a power move, I’m wondering if the Pierces were slyly figuring out who Logan actually wants as successor.
That was it. The dinner bullshit that Shiv pulled obviously did not land well with everyone. And they felt like a true leader would not pull that shit. Hence they tested Logan's true ambitions. And they obviously weren't with Shiv. He always had eyes for Kendall. It was just his disappointment that he wasn't a killer like him. But from all his options, Ken has always been the true successor. Without Logan alive, Ken eats everything just as Logan did as Logan was his freedom's guillotine.
logan's last line here is so brilliant because it both resonates with and mocks them at the same time; he's essentially saying: "see? im also a man of your level of intellect and depth of humanity--I love shakespeare! but this is purely business, not emotional: _take the fuckin money_ . "
i don't think that's accurate lol. i think what he means is we're all primal animals, just the green gold like every other greedy animal takes it, like i take it.
Except it’s not business to Logan. It’s pure emotion. At this point of the show he had already agreed with Siobhan she would be his successor. What the pierces are asking for is nothing he said he wasn’t going to do. This merger with the pierce was also their only viable option to prevent a takeover. Logan risks his entire company because he doesn’t like being told what to do.
@@ThePsychic24 he’s definitely mocking them and their family for being snobs about politics, education, and ethics. It’s also a great portrait of how many of these rich elites pretend to be activists but are really just money driven opportunists behind closed doors.
When asking for too much goes wrong. So often the people who do business with Logan can simply be given what they want if they just “take the fucking money” … but they always want to dig further and twist the knife into Logan. He senses it every single time and would rather walk away from a good deal than to have his own self dignity & pride chipped away as well.
Well Logan loves twisting the knife too. "Take the money" is not out of kindness or generosity, its purpose is to maintain complete dominion over his companies by not giving up any board seats, leadership roles etc. if he can help it.
@@vasvas8914 Logan saw her face quiver for more when he said the number. It's like the same deal when Logan confronted his kids at the karaoke bar. He realized a good deal was already in place with Mattson. Why ask for more? You'll only annoy the buyer when agreed upon numbers are already agreed upon.
@@moonlightfitz she really is something! Constantly talking about how she despises money talk while soaking them for every penny, and I’m talking about season 4. I love her!! 😂
The costume design is so straightforward but effective. Black and white for the polar opposites, and mixtures of grey and white to indicate those with unclear allegiances or morals.
“You can buy our company for $25 Billion. But we also want to stay on the board, decide what goes on the air and pick who’s in charge.” Pierce isn’t cutthroat. She’s fcking delusional…
i mean shes one of the only characters outside of Marcia and occasionally kendall to ever own Logan in a business deal. its true shes delusional for not getting the maximum money but shes already probably a billionaire - it really doesnt make a difference.
It would be good if they had a prequel series that showcases Logan Roy's rise from humble beginnings to wealth, and how he sold his soul to get there. Probably call the show 'Success'.
My favourite part was how she says you can't put a price on what we do and then they ended up agreeing to the deal in the end of the episode cause there is always a number
What I like about Logan is, he's honest and brutal and being who he is. This is why he has so many enemies because deep down, they scared of him for his brutally honest. Those who follow and loyal to him show how much he respects them.
This was well played by Rhea. She clearly wanted Pierces to sell, yet she was pushing for more money so that Nan doesn't suspect she's in some kind of cahoots with Logan. Funny enough, she was later fired by Nan when Nan suspected her of this.
It's amazing how the Pierce family consider themselves the virtuous ones. Logan quiet, respectful and receptive. The Pierce's were rude, openly insulting them and making outrageous demands.
Imagine having a puppy and you are going to give it away. You are gonna make sure you arent gonna give it up to just anyone or make sure there are standards.
@@williamalfonso1373 He does address those concerns, he allows them editorial protection and agrees that Tom is to be kept away. They go too far by firstly demanding even more money and then try to dictate who will run Waystar, the overall company after Logan retires. The latter being the most outrageous and insulting demand.
@@solidoperative Well Its corporate America 🤣. You always try to squeeze out the most $, that's the point of negotiating. The seller tries to get the most, the buyer the least and once you reach an equilibrium, the deal is made.
@@williamalfonso1373 I think you are skipping over other key point so whilst I welcome your commentary on corporate America please don't try and portray it as the be all and end all of what I was saying when I made several good points. I did say dictating Logan's successor was an insult, and a demand which they later were forced to drop.
I swear when she said that's her final offer, I was like "yeah Logan is going to get out and refuse" and I would do the same, sure they might have leverage against the Roy but Logan has the high ground and they can't demand more, he gave them more money but the succession is his not theirs to demand.
@@em.415 Ego!? A man who made a company from zero until it became the biggest company for news in the world, and you demand of him to name his successor the one you want!! I don't think it was his ego playing there, and I believe if there is anyone in his place would do the same. And we call it pride, sure too much of it is bad for you it not in this case.
@@napolien1310 I agree, Pierce went too far. Logan gave them more money, board seats, enshrined their editorial independence, ring fenced Tom and agreed to keep him away. They got too greed and it was not only unreasonable it was embarrassing to demand that of Logan especially when his offer was exceptionally generous and had agreed to every other demand.
She thinks it's a merger of equals, Logan is buying them not the other way around. Logan was quite generous with the other demands she really did push her luck.
@@solidoperative It's not technically a merger of equals but the purpose of the sale essentially was. Waystar had to bulk-up to avoid being taken over by Sandy, so if this deal fell through, Waystar would've been fucked. The Pierce family probably could have gotten away with their demands had Logan not been an expert negotiator
lol the word "demand" makes it sound like she was the one chasing Logan. Logan wanted Nan to accept a sale that went totally against her ethical code and she added a component to the sale that couldn't be reduced to a string of integers. It's not out of line to at least try your luck at doing some good.
This was it. The scene that showcased Kendall's importance. The dinner nonsense that Shiv pulled obviously did not land well with everyone. And they felt like a true leader would not pull that shit. Hence they tested Logan's true ambitions. And they obviously weren't with Shiv. He always had eyes for Kendall. It was just his disappointment that he wasn't a killer like him. But from all his options, Ken has always been the true successor. Without Logan alive, Ken eats everything just as Logan did as Logan was his freedom's guillotine. At the end of the day, Ken tried to kill him and that is at least, the attempt of a killing, even if the person is not a killer at core. Logan always liked that but didn't like the ending. He didn't like that Kendall always placed himself in the position to fail.
This is why Logan was a true king. Contrast this with Kendall negotiating with the Vaulter guy in the first episode. Kendall was always out of his depth.
Logan knew he had her, she said "I THINK we would also like to have a conversation about managment" She said I think before what was supposedly an iron clad contigency to the deal. Saying I think shows a little uncertainity, like she was actually opening it up for negotiation. She blinked first and Logan saw that uncertanity and pounced. Sure it was just a feeling and he started to doubt himself after but in the moment his instincts were spot on.
Nan did not negotiate well in this scene. She was openly rude and insulting to Logan. She got an extra billion dollars for the sale but pressed for more. Logan played this hand perfectly - didn't speak when he didn't need to, held his emotions in check, was clear and decisive. And walking out called Nan's bluff. When you sell something you can't tell the buyer what to do with it. You sell to sell. Once it's gone it's gone forever!
*SEASON 4 SPOILER* I cannot believe that after all Logan went through to acquire Pierce in S2, after miffing it up and eventually selling to Gojo, that his kids bought it for less than half of what they agreed upon here, JUST to spite their dad. This show is unreal, I can’t wait to see where the rest of S4 goes.
FYI people may not see Ken as capable but Shiv never had it and Logan knew it preety well. She was his last option not because she is a woman but she is not like him.
bruh, she doesnt. she's wayyy to self-absorbed in almost every sense and blames other ppl when it doesnt go her way. she thinks having an open marriage is normal while you can see in Tom's face its killing him inside.
@@Ty-io7bv 1. demands open marriage night of/before wedding 2. ignores their original plan for Tom to become CEO and jumps for it, while completely ignoring what his role will now be 3. Continues to sleep around while shaming Tom when he shows interest in another woman. (i.e "you can't sleep with her, I know her) 4. Blurts out that she's going to be next CEO at the Pearce/Roy dinner - destroying both her own and Tom's place in the pecking order 5. Starts playing both sides of the Kendall/Logan fence, and leaving Tom out of any of the plans 6. Encourages him to take the fall for the company and offer to go to prison for Logan 7. Shows absolutely zero empathy for him when he thinks he's going to Prison 8. Shows absolutely zero happiness for him when anything good happens to Tom, like avoiding Prison, Job promotions 9. Rejects sex with Tom every time he initiates, but demands it from Tom every time she initiates 10. Tells Tom she doesn't love him 11. Leaves Tom out of the sibling plan to remove Logan - finally forcing Tom to betray her and decide that he's going to go for it himself I probably left some things out. But yeah... Shiv is awful to Tom in every way, shape and form. However, this does make for an amazing series. And this is the most Shakspearian story there's been since probably the Godfather. And before that, it was actual Shakespeare.
Imagine sitting on set in this scene with Brian Cox, a giant of stage and screen, and performing as brilliantly as the great Cherry Jones does! She is simply magnificent
Logan wants to buy Pierce because of pure ego. I recall Ewan watched those news. Nan Pierce is desperate for the money, but she's also used to being the power in the house. Siobhan seems annoyed that Logan is sidelining her. Kendall is broken and wingless.
Don't ever disparage the original Dallas, the reboot was liberal claptrap, but the original JR would have these 2 families washing his mercedes inside of 3 episodes
Lol you missed the whole point of this episode. What they series goes to great lengths to show is that at the end of the day it's all about the money. Even for the supposedly virtuous, cultured, moralistic Pierces. The money is the reason they agreed to meet in the first place. Look at her face when he increased the offer. That was greed. That's what the show wants you to see. That beneath it all, despite their differences in outlook, they're all driven by money. No different from Logan. Enough money can compromise anyone's lofty morals.
I was happy Logan rejected her terms. All that self righteous b.s about money being fake but 25 billion is a hell of a lot of "fake stuff" and then still wanting control. Sell it or don't but for 25 billion I'll do as damn please with the business.
@@starlord6433 Extremely narcissistic. With their Shakespeare and PhDs.. and being greedy for money at the end of it all. At least the Roys are not pretentious hypocrites.
1. Logan wanted revange on Pierces for decades. 2.Logan need this deal to save his company and keep his control over it. 3.He’s more than willing to pay a ridiculous amount for pierce. But he refused the only demand left from pierce for this deal to announce a successor, even though he could shred this deal whenever and however he want later, like in multiple other occasions. I think the only explanation for his action here is that he doesn’t want to hurt any of his children’s chance to inherit his empire when he is still around to protect it.
They should have sold to Logan right then and there. Nan later sells it to the kids in Season 4 for 10 bil. Her family could have walked away with 15 BIL more.
This was a great episode of culture vs. non culture. If the kids were more like the Pierce kids, there may have been hope for them. But, look, all the opportunities in the world and they don't - and can't do anything! Do they play sports? Do they speak any other languages? Have they seen the world? Do they have an interest in art? They are bullshit. Just like Roman says at the end.
In a show full of disgusting people, Nan Pierce was one of the worst. Her holier-than-thou, our-shit-doesn't-stink, I-take-credit-for-my-servants-work, money-is-so-distasteful mindset was fantastically repulsive.
Logan knew they would ask for more. More than just more money cus they're just like shiv they hid behind the veil of being kind gentle generous and moral but they were ready to sell out for 10 then 25 then 10 again and they had to have the final say in everything.
People live fascinated with the twist of the season 2 finale, but the series became the gem it is because of eps. 3, 4, 5 and 6 (S2). The finales of both seasons were good, but Boar on the Floor ("Hunting" in general), Kendall's suicidal vulnerability and his relationship with his family (ep. 4), the arrival of the Pierces, the final fight between Nan, Logan and Rhea, and the politics behind it, are the reasons Succession soared. It was in those four moments that S. went from having a slow pace to becoming HBO's most ambitious series. From Hunting to Argestes, Succession crystallized its ambition and could show what it would represent culturally as a mega-series. Love all this.
Episode 9 "DC" was also a masterpiece.
Exactly. Tern Haven (Season 2 Episode 5) especially was a masterpiece of television. Cherry Jones as Nan Pierce knocked it out of the park.
@@freedomm This may be an unpopular opinion, but the more I watch seasons 1 and 3, the more I fall in love with season 2. Everything about Hunting, Argestes, Tern Haven and D.C. worked perfectly. And Cherry Jones' staging in both episodes was sublime. The Pierces, the Roys and Rhea elevated Succession to the top. And I very much doubt that the producers of Succession can top that set of episodes (and D.C.).
Yeah f.ck off nerd we are just here to see logan roy bossing around not for your nerdy bullshit
@@BatmanHQYT DC was the episode where perhaps the greatest line in all of TV was uttered:
*"You can't make a Tomlette without breaking a few Greggs."*
"You don't have an offer. I have an offer" - Logan Roy
They have the nerve to act like they’re doing the Roys a favor
@@MisterMcKinney she was annoying to say the least
You don’t get to set the terms and set the price……… unless the price is astronomical. Then you shut up and take the fuckin money.
@@ronoccc and two seasons later her company is devalued to 10 billions and it is seen as overpaid
@@marc-antoinemarcoux697yup
I must have watched this scene 20+ times. It is a masterpiece. Logan is desperate for the deal to materialize and yet he refuses to be cornered. That is what makes him what he is - strong, ruthless, fierce, respected and successful.
Yeah if I was in the position, I could’ve folded. But I learned this and yeah its not the end of the world.
Their negotiation was so moronic, Imagine you went to a car dealership and make an offer, they agree and then later ask you even more money
and when you say yes to that BS they add "also I don't like the way you drive so fast, could you gift this car to your daughter ?"
Either you sell it to him or not but don't ask for his money and in the same breath dictate what the fuck to do with his company.
@joshuaizly5502this is why pierce failed. She was an awful businesswoman
Just noticed that the Roys + Gerri are all in black while the Pierces are wearing white (Naomi wearing black and white symbolic of her mediating both sides). God damn
god damn thats a nice catch. I never saw it ! good job
It's a game of chess
And Rhea in white and gray
Wow!!
Bravo Jesse
“Take the money” is a quote from Merchant of Venice.
The brilliance of Succession's writing.. Adding the Logan twist to Shakespeare... Wow classic series
looooool
@1:46 love the look on her face when he goes to 25 billion. You can see on her expression how hungry she is for the cash even though she's banging on about ethics. Great acting all round in this scene.
Masterclass
But in the end she ended it based on ethics
lol ur reading it to basic
she's a sanctimonious holier than thou cretin
Money it’s all about money 😊
Love how Logan sits like some hedonistic monarch compared to all the rest
i dont think you know what hedonistic means
@@pleaselikevideogabewhy did he say hedonistic
@@pleaselikevideogabewhy did no one correct him he looks so stupid
@@Gotlove-zq2zy I guess we'll never find out
Logan was a brilliant business man. He wanted this deal more than ever but still could never let someone else dictate his heir; even though both him and the other party wanted Shiv to succeed. He still rolled the dice on them caving, which they did.
because he knew they were desperate
@@JohnDoe-bi5cc haha, good one brother!
He did not want Shiv
he was the epitome of the perfect capitalist. Ruthless but smart, and did anything for himself
@@potatorecipe742 he was trying to groom her but obviously it'll take time despite her connections she has no experience being an executive in the corporate world - but she wanted it NOW NOW NOW - such a brat
Logan's last line here is perfection.
That's by far is my favorite scene Logan is badass
Yeah perfect. He'd sat all night playing along with the bullshit and in the end it was his call.
Even funnier knowing that the actor started his career doing Shakespeare
@@never152 but Logan is just dealing in bullshit too. He was going to name his daughter as his successor, he already decided. This was also the only viable was at the time to stop a takeover of his company.
He was willing to trade away billions of dollars more and put his company at risk, only because he didn’t like being told what to do……that’s not business, that’s childish
@@SOLOcan yeah, definitely childish. Isn't that how he has got where he is though - with that sort of behaviour?
It just seems like every scene and every single line from this show is brilliant.
Yes, every line of dialogue in Succession is pure gold
“She may be one of you . . . “. That “you” speaks volumes.
So disrespectful, definitely overplayed her hand
what volumes? shampoo?
@@chopstickxHAHAHA
Logan was able to hide what he really felt about leaving with no deal. He had an outburst in the helicopter. I thought he was okay leaving with no deal. Then at Argetes, Logan Roy, the powerful and scary man, chased Nan outside to the pickup area. Even banged on Nan's car door. I've never seen Logan so vulnerable and that upset before. Turns out he needed the deal more than Nan.
That’s the problem with compromising too much, especially with women. Know yourself.
It’s interesting that they had Kendall in the room but not Roman. It’s also interesting that when they demand Logan name Shiv as his successor, the camera lands on Kendall looking disappointed, and pans to Logan looking at or near Kendall. On top of it being a power move, I’m wondering if the Pierces were slyly figuring out who Logan actually wants as successor.
That was it. The dinner bullshit that Shiv pulled obviously did not land well with everyone. And they felt like a true leader would not pull that shit. Hence they tested Logan's true ambitions. And they obviously weren't with Shiv. He always had eyes for Kendall. It was just his disappointment that he wasn't a killer like him. But from all his options, Ken has always been the true successor. Without Logan alive, Ken eats everything just as Logan did as Logan was his freedom's guillotine.
It was Nan who wanted Ken to in the room, but without Roman. In precious scene Rea said so
you think kendall’s name was on the paper at this point?
The paper was written an unknown amount of time before the vote of no confidence @@savii4912
logan's last line here is so brilliant because it both resonates with and mocks them at the same time; he's essentially saying:
"see? im also a man of your level of intellect and depth of humanity--I love shakespeare! but this is purely business, not emotional: _take the fuckin money_ . "
i don't think that's accurate lol. i think what he means is we're all primal animals, just the green gold like every other greedy animal takes it, like i take it.
@@ThePsychic24 essentially--we're all animals, this is not shakespeare
Except it’s not business to Logan. It’s pure emotion.
At this point of the show he had already agreed with Siobhan she would be his successor. What the pierces are asking for is nothing he said he wasn’t going to do.
This merger with the pierce was also their only viable option to prevent a takeover.
Logan risks his entire company because he doesn’t like being told what to do.
@@SOLOcan fair enough. hes a ruthless bastard. shiv did kinda shit the bed w the whole "oh for fucks sake dad just tell em its gonna be me" bit tho
@@ThePsychic24 he’s definitely mocking them and their family for being snobs about politics, education, and ethics. It’s also a great portrait of how many of these rich elites pretend to be activists but are really just money driven opportunists behind closed doors.
This is still the best episode of the show. Every moment is perfection.
03:51 I love how Logan is like "Oh...please..."
Lol "who tf are you talking to"
When asking for too much goes wrong. So often the people who do business with Logan can simply be given what they want if they just “take the fucking money” … but they always want to dig further and twist the knife into Logan. He senses it every single time and would rather walk away from a good deal than to have his own self dignity & pride chipped away as well.
He needed them more than they needed him. His pride got in the way.
Well Logan loves twisting the knife too. "Take the money" is not out of kindness or generosity, its purpose is to maintain complete dominion over his companies by not giving up any board seats, leadership roles etc. if he can help it.
im sure we can all do that when we're 80 yrs old knowing theres not much time left in life - i mean at that age - who gives a shit anymore
@@em.415 did you watch the episode to the end? They DEFINITELY needed him more
@@vasvas8914 Logan saw her face quiver for more when he said the number. It's like the same deal when Logan confronted his kids at the karaoke bar. He realized a good deal was already in place with Mattson. Why ask for more? You'll only annoy the buyer when agreed upon numbers are already agreed upon.
Everyone's excellent here, but Sarah Snook subtly tearing up when Logan says "If I announce my daughter" (03:39) -- incredible acting.
Ive been looking for this clip for ages! One of the best scenes from the series
I'm so glad Nan Pierce will be back in season 4! Tremendous character.
where'd you hear that?
@@cucumberwater6 It was officially confirmed in a press release a few months ago. Either Deadline or Variety will have the details.
@@BatmanHQYT interesting. thank you!
Better than ever😂
@@moonlightfitz she really is something! Constantly talking about how she despises money talk while soaking them for every penny, and I’m talking about season 4. I love her!! 😂
From 25 to 10 billion, they went bad so fast.
Who went bad? Pierce ?
That’s old media for you.
@@FilonisHat old progressive media for you. wonder how much CNN is worth next to Fox News. Probably just a fraction.
and 10B was an overpriced moronic offer!
@@XElintocableX thanks for your sound financial evaluation backed up by hours of going through the accounts and the companys growth prospects
The costume design is so straightforward but effective. Black and white for the polar opposites, and mixtures of grey and white to indicate those with unclear allegiances or morals.
Give me a break...
@ Thinking is hard, hmm?
This is a masterclass in negotiating from Logan. Despite having his back against the wall, he sticks to his guns.
“You can buy our company for $25 Billion. But we also want to stay on the board, decide what goes on the air and pick who’s in charge.”
Pierce isn’t cutthroat. She’s fcking delusional…
Pierce is used to being the power in the room. Problem is, she's in the room with logan roy
i mean shes one of the only characters outside of Marcia and occasionally kendall to ever own Logan in a business deal. its true shes delusional for not getting the maximum money but shes already probably a billionaire - it really doesnt make a difference.
@@123rtXdYou say that as if a year later in show times, she wasn’t panic buying due to budgetary concerns.
Talking about ethics and equality from a castle built off the labor of the workers of the company
are you a socialist
Commie talk💯… your worker bee mind could never create something that thrives 😂
@@CommunityGameplaysyes
@@Berry_Honesti think you’re VERY confused
Average socialist.
It would be good if they had a prequel series that showcases Logan Roy's rise from humble beginnings to wealth, and how he sold his soul to get there. Probably call the show 'Success'.
I love the title hahaha that’d be so good
And then a sequel called "Cession."
the backstory of his brother and sister man....
I love how this show exposes hypocrisy of both left and right.
The Pierces aren't left, they're right wingers playing pretend to themselves and their customer base. Like all Democrats
One of the best scenes of maybe the best episode of this show. The dinner scene is of course epic.
Dinner scene is incredible of course, but best episode? Connor's wedding by a mile
What's crazy...is there are people like this that exist
No one was wrong here. They laid out their terms and didn’t come to an agreement.
The contrast in their (Nancy and Logan) dress code just shows how detailed this series are.
"Nan Pierce" played by Cherry Jones is just so phenomenal! I love* her acting during Season 2!
💚*
I remember one of the first times I saw her was in the M.Night Shyamalan movie “Signs”. I always liked her role in that.
My favourite part was how she says you can't put a price on what we do and then they ended up agreeing to the deal in the end of the episode cause there is always a number
Nan is worse than Logan, Logan is not trying pretending to be someone he’s not.
What I like about Logan is, he's honest and brutal and being who he is. This is why he has so many enemies because deep down, they scared of him for his brutally honest. Those who follow and loyal to him show how much he respects them.
Nan loves the smell of her own farts, but Logan is far more dangerous
This was well played by Rhea. She clearly wanted Pierces to sell, yet she was pushing for more money so that Nan doesn't suspect she's in some kind of cahoots with Logan.
Funny enough, she was later fired by Nan when Nan suspected her of this.
It shocked me how the Roys we're bidding Pierce from 6 to 10 billion in the S04 premiere. 💀 They should've taken the fucking money Indeed!
exactly, how did the valuation drop so much between season 2 and 4?
@@vinceslapchopper Legacy Media Outlets have values dropping like crazy lately
Yh it’s literally a play on the sign of the times.
@@ebrahimmunsif
it’s even worse now in 2024 now that Trump won the election, podcasts and Twitter have truly become the new media
There were four years between the two seasons. Let's assume they used that realtime in the show too; that's an eternity in the media landscape
It's amazing how the Pierce family consider themselves the virtuous ones. Logan quiet, respectful and receptive. The Pierce's were rude, openly insulting them and making outrageous demands.
They are liberal. What’s new? And like the left in real life, they think they are NOT propaganda when all news media on both sides are
Imagine having a puppy and you are going to give it away. You are gonna make sure you arent gonna give it up to just anyone or make sure there are standards.
@@williamalfonso1373 He does address those concerns, he allows them editorial protection and agrees that Tom is to be kept away. They go too far by firstly demanding even more money and then try to dictate who will run Waystar, the overall company after Logan retires. The latter being the most outrageous and insulting demand.
@@solidoperative Well Its corporate America 🤣. You always try to squeeze out the most $, that's the point of negotiating. The seller tries to get the most, the buyer the least and once you reach an equilibrium, the deal is made.
@@williamalfonso1373 I think you are skipping over other key point so whilst I welcome your commentary on corporate America please don't try and portray it as the be all and end all of what I was saying when I made several good points. I did say dictating Logan's successor was an insult, and a demand which they later were forced to drop.
That episode was pure perfection
Cherry Jones is always great in everything she does. Just watched it in 5 days at memorial. She killed that too
yo mama is always great in everything she does
I swear when she said that's her final offer, I was like "yeah Logan is going to get out and refuse" and I would do the same, sure they might have leverage against the Roy but Logan has the high ground and they can't demand more, he gave them more money but the succession is his not theirs to demand.
He should let go of that ego.
@@em.415 Ego!?
A man who made a company from zero until it became the biggest company for news in the world, and you demand of him to name his successor the one you want!! I don't think it was his ego playing there, and I believe if there is anyone in his place would do the same.
And we call it pride, sure too much of it is bad for you it not in this case.
@@napolien1310 I agree, Pierce went too far. Logan gave them more money, board seats, enshrined their editorial independence, ring fenced Tom and agreed to keep him away. They got too greed and it was not only unreasonable it was embarrassing to demand that of Logan especially when his offer was exceptionally generous and had agreed to every other demand.
@@solidoperative exactly, they didn't think he will just brush them off like that.
its funny because i would actually want to hear brian cox's favorite passage from Shakespeare
Totally out of line to demand who the successor should be. As much as I may not like Logan, I was with him on this completely.
She thinks it's a merger of equals, Logan is buying them not the other way around. Logan was quite generous with the other demands she really did push her luck.
@@solidoperative It's not technically a merger of equals but the purpose of the sale essentially was. Waystar had to bulk-up to avoid being taken over by Sandy, so if this deal fell through, Waystar would've been fucked. The Pierce family probably could have gotten away with their demands had Logan not been an expert negotiator
lol the word "demand" makes it sound like she was the one chasing Logan. Logan wanted Nan to accept a sale that went totally against her ethical code and she added a component to the sale that couldn't be reduced to a string of integers. It's not out of line to at least try your luck at doing some good.
I thought Logan didn’t have a lot of room to make demands. Weren’t they about to be taken over?
This was it. The scene that showcased Kendall's importance. The dinner nonsense that Shiv pulled obviously did not land well with everyone. And they felt like a true leader would not pull that shit. Hence they tested Logan's true ambitions. And they obviously weren't with Shiv. He always had eyes for Kendall. It was just his disappointment that he wasn't a killer like him. But from all his options, Ken has always been the true successor. Without Logan alive, Ken eats everything just as Logan did as Logan was his freedom's guillotine. At the end of the day, Ken tried to kill him and that is at least, the attempt of a killing, even if the person is not a killer at core. Logan always liked that but didn't like the ending. He didn't like that Kendall always placed himself in the position to fail.
1:00 a big error to admit this weakness.
This show is priceless!
This is why Logan was a true king. Contrast this with Kendall negotiating with the Vaulter guy in the first episode. Kendall was always out of his depth.
Logan knew he had her, she said "I THINK we would also like to have a conversation about managment" She said I think before what was supposedly an iron clad contigency to the deal. Saying I think shows a little uncertainity, like she was actually opening it up for negotiation.
She blinked first and Logan saw that uncertanity and pounced. Sure it was just a feeling and he started to doubt himself after but in the moment his instincts were spot on.
Nan did not negotiate well in this scene. She was openly rude and insulting to Logan. She got an extra billion dollars for the sale but pressed for more. Logan played this hand perfectly - didn't speak when he didn't need to, held his emotions in check, was clear and decisive. And walking out called Nan's bluff. When you sell something you can't tell the buyer what to do with it. You sell to sell. Once it's gone it's gone forever!
"Openly rude". She didn't us offensive word once, imagine if she talked like Logan.
Cherry Jones is a great actor!
*SEASON 4 SPOILER*
I cannot believe that after all Logan went through to acquire Pierce in S2, after miffing it up and eventually selling to Gojo, that his kids bought it for less than half of what they agreed upon here, JUST to spite their dad. This show is unreal, I can’t wait to see where the rest of S4 goes.
Well how do you like it?
FYI people may not see Ken as capable but Shiv never had it and Logan knew it preety well. She was his last option not because she is a woman but she is not like him.
Naa, she is more like him than Kendall.
@@soundsbykannon no way lol, kendall just didn't want to be like his father -- but he could be just as cruel.
2:44 you can tell it really hurts Shiv how casually dismissive they are of Tom. She does care for him, deep down.
She don't, she would've had him thrown in prison in a heartbeat if it meant the rest of thr family got away scot-free
@@govardhanposina17 She literally offered up Kendall over Tom. Like mother, like daughter.
Do you even watch the show? shiv hates Tom. Doesn’t care about him one bit. Shiv is the worst one in the family by far
bruh, she doesnt. she's wayyy to self-absorbed in almost every sense and blames other ppl when it doesnt go her way. she thinks having an open marriage is normal while you can see in Tom's face its killing him inside.
@@Ty-io7bv 1. demands open marriage night of/before wedding
2. ignores their original plan for Tom to become CEO and jumps for it, while completely ignoring what his role will now be
3. Continues to sleep around while shaming Tom when he shows interest in another woman. (i.e "you can't sleep with her, I know her)
4. Blurts out that she's going to be next CEO at the Pearce/Roy dinner - destroying both her own and Tom's place in the pecking order
5. Starts playing both sides of the Kendall/Logan fence, and leaving Tom out of any of the plans
6. Encourages him to take the fall for the company and offer to go to prison for Logan
7. Shows absolutely zero empathy for him when he thinks he's going to Prison
8. Shows absolutely zero happiness for him when anything good happens to Tom, like avoiding Prison, Job promotions
9. Rejects sex with Tom every time he initiates, but demands it from Tom every time she initiates
10. Tells Tom she doesn't love him
11. Leaves Tom out of the sibling plan to remove Logan - finally forcing Tom to betray her and decide that he's going to go for it himself
I probably left some things out.
But yeah... Shiv is awful to Tom in every way, shape and form. However, this does make for an amazing series. And this is the most Shakspearian story there's been since probably the Godfather. And before that, it was actual Shakespeare.
She was great in “Signs”.
I wonder if the choice to make Pierce appear in white and Logan in black, was symbolic.
100%
Imagine sitting on set in this scene with Brian Cox, a giant of stage and screen, and performing as brilliantly as the great Cherry Jones does! She is simply magnificent
Logan wants to buy Pierce because of pure ego.
I recall Ewan watched those news.
Nan Pierce is desperate for the money, but she's also used to being the power in the house.
Siobhan seems annoyed that Logan is sidelining her.
Kendall is broken and wingless.
end of show proves that they should've just taken the fucking money
WOW 😳 THIS SERIES MAKES DALLAS LOOK LIKE THE BRADY BUNCH
Don't ever disparage the original Dallas, the reboot was liberal claptrap, but the original JR would have these 2 families washing his mercedes inside of 3 episodes
3:24 that woman have no idea how crazy Shivon is 😂
00:28 that’s when I knew the price was gonna be ridiculous
They should've taken the fucking money indeed lmao.
They really thought they could push him.
WTF was she expecting by dictating Logan Roy who gets to rule his company 😀
"take the f*cking money" chivers
Did you see the look on Nan Pierce face at the end. She knew she f**k up. Underestimating Logan was a huge mistake
Im not sure if any of his kids learnt anything in this room from their dad
A great antagonist.
She's EXACTLY rich enough to not care about the money and just wants to see a guy like Logan sweat.
Lol you missed the whole point of this episode. What they series goes to great lengths to show is that at the end of the day it's all about the money. Even for the supposedly virtuous, cultured, moralistic Pierces. The money is the reason they agreed to meet in the first place. Look at her face when he increased the offer. That was greed. That's what the show wants you to see. That beneath it all, despite their differences in outlook, they're all driven by money. No different from Logan. Enough money can compromise anyone's lofty morals.
I was happy Logan rejected her terms. All that self righteous b.s about money being fake but 25 billion is a hell of a lot of "fake stuff" and then still wanting control. Sell it or don't but for 25 billion I'll do as damn please with the business.
1:49 nan literally licking her lips at the bigger number being bid
God the Pierces are so weird in retrospect.
Plenty of families out there like them. It was a good representation of that way of life I thought
How were they weird, cause they was no drama and narcism
@@starlord6433 exactly: weird. Too perfect
I don’t find them weird.
@@starlord6433 Extremely narcissistic. With their Shakespeare and PhDs.. and being greedy for money at the end of it all. At least the Roys are not pretentious hypocrites.
I think they just wanted to destroy the Roys from within
1. Logan wanted revange on Pierces for decades.
2.Logan need this deal to save his company and keep his control over it.
3.He’s more than willing to pay a ridiculous amount for pierce.
But he refused the only demand left from pierce for this deal to announce a successor, even though he could shred this deal whenever and however he want later, like in multiple other occasions.
I think the only explanation for his action here is that he doesn’t want to hurt any of his children’s chance to inherit his empire when he is still around to protect it.
No he doesn't compromise because in his words "sometimes it really is just a big dick contest"
They should have sold to Logan right then and there. Nan later sells it to the kids in Season 4 for 10 bil. Her family could have walked away with 15 BIL more.
iconic
This was a great episode of culture vs. non culture. If the kids were more like the Pierce kids, there may have been hope for them. But, look, all the opportunities in the world and they don't - and can't do anything! Do they play sports? Do they speak any other languages? Have they seen the world? Do they have an interest in art? They are bullshit. Just like Roman says at the end.
In a show full of disgusting people, Nan Pierce was one of the worst. Her holier-than-thou, our-shit-doesn't-stink, I-take-credit-for-my-servants-work, money-is-so-distasteful mindset was fantastically repulsive.
Oh my god....that's Jason Bourne....'s Mom.
3:33 Logan was ready to throw hands
Also my favourite Shakespeare passage
"take the fu***ing money"
Is that a real Shakespeare quote or just pure Logan savagery?
You talking like Greg boi
Yes, Shakespeare coined the F word :D
Its a slightly modified quote
The real quote was “Take thy fucking Money shrew”
Hes paraphrasing, the Shakespeare passage actually goes “Take thy currency wench”
Should sold when she had the chance. Dropped from 25 Bill to 10 Bill and that deal with the Sibs is probably kaput so she may get much less than that.
There's a great round two of this in Episode 1 of Season 4
One of the best scenes of the show after Logan and Kendell's dinner scene... that was bar set too high!
They went from 25 here to 10. That’s embarrassing to drop by more than 50 percent
This show made me like evil right winged billionaires lol
Same way fox got wall-street journal
They dont want Tom to run it but then demand Shiv run things? not as smart as they think they are
New money vs old money
"You can't put a value on what we do..."
Take the F money
Logan roy is a titan!
😂 Truly a brute
Logan Roy 👑
This stretch of episodes in S2 is Succession at it's very very best IMO.
Girl math at its finest
Hahahaha that's the best comment 😅
Very poorly negotiated by the ol' guy. He just agrees with every extra demand so they just keep asking more . . .
Tried to squeeze him out of a few more billions. Logan shoulda spit in her face. The nerve. He cooked them with the Shakespeare line though.
"Oh please" 😂😂😂
The Greeks vs The Romans
If Logan was going to pay 25B for a 10B company wasnt he making a terrible business decision? It was lucky for him that the deal tanked.
The value changed, thats why Pierce reopened negotiations with Waystar. It was worth more than 10B in this scene.
Logan knew they would ask for more. More than just more money cus they're just like shiv they hid behind the veil of being kind gentle generous and moral but they were ready to sell out for 10 then 25 then 10 again and they had to have the final say in everything.
She based her business dealings on ethics instead of business..... she's like Disney!
25 billion is $1,000,000 each for 25,000.
No
no
No
Why are people saying no? There are a thousand millions in a billion, so there would be 25 thousand millions in 25 billion, no?
lol what is going on here 🤯
Commendable.