Despite how cancerous it is. I miss old Techies. I love watching enemies suddenly die because they step on 7 remote mines or gets anxiety because their jungle is full of prox mine.
Old techies was so unnerving he made pubs buy sentries before attacking tier 1 towers lmao. Countless times ive seen teams pushing into a tower and get blown into the next game in one single boom. It was hilarious every single time. Techies was the single most awaited hero to be ported into dota 2 for this exact reason. It broke my heart when it was reworked.
Rubick has been my favourite hero for the past 10 years, using enemies' spells against them is just so satisfying, especially when you managed to steal their ults.
Regarding Spirit Breaker, Razor's Passive basically alerts him that Spirit Breaker is approaching when he uses Charge of Darkness. He can either go to safety after this or alert his team he's getting ganked. Kind of a niche situation but it's good to know about it.
Gonna have to push back against the idea that Nyx falls off. Permainvis with massive burst damage and strong stun potential is extremely strong late game for catching heroes, and pick offs matter more in the lategame. Plus if you do go the burst damage assassin route with dagon and a potential eblade you can hard 100-0 a surprisingly large number of heroes, and with blink dagger added in you can bypass detection while doing it. On the other side, with the aghs build you can output a ton of stuns and damage (mind flare scales pretty well) over the course of a teamfight. Nyx's weakest point is actually his early/early-mid game since his laning kinda sucks and his lvl 1 ult is pretty lackluster. Not to mention that nyx's biggest counter is bkb, so he benefits a lot from the enemies having low bkb duration. Nyx is one of my most played heroes, and personally I've found his best and worst matchups to be surprisingly dependent on carapace. For example, in theory nyx would struggle into a tanky hero like timbersaw, but the reliability of carapacing and chain stunning him and the mana burn (which is a bit worse now, admittedly) actually make him pretty difficult for timber to deal with. Meanwhile Lion and Shadow Shaman should be excellent matchups for him, as squishy int heroes he can easily burst, but having an enemy who can stun you without triggering your carapace can be a problem. Tusk I've found to be especially annoying, cause he's too tanky to burst (in the vid you say he's not that tanky, but he's one of the highest strength gains in the game with good base armor and modest agi gain, so with just a little bit of levels and items he becomes quite a chungus), and snowball can both avoid carapace and save enemies you go on, plus the ice shards prevent you from getting out after an initiation. Best matchups are heroes like leshrac, who is burstable and spams aoe, guaranteeing easy carapace stuns in ganks and teamfights. Also idk what you'll be going for in the off meta episode, but I want to give a special shoutout to pos 5 CK, a pick I wouldn't actually recommend to any sane person, but one that I have 100% winrate on. It's a strong laning pick, and with a few bracers, blink, and shard you are great at assassinating supports and squishier cores, but getting to those items as a 5 is suffering and the only thing you can do in a teamfight is go in for the kill, so until you have those items it's even more suffering. There's also support Arc Warden for a "support that really isn't as bad as it sounds" and pos 4 Sniper and Invoker for "Situational but genuinely good in those situations." Those last 2 I would actually recommend people who enjoy playing off meta pick up.
The thing is Nyx doesn't fall off because of his lack of scaling, but rather because of enemy itemization. When the Euls, BKBs, gems, and Aeon Disks start to come out, Nyx can't reliably assassinate people anymore. Coordinated teams can very easily deal with Nyx and other invis assassin heroes. You could buy a Nullifier if you really, REALLY wanted to, but at that point, an Aghs is better and less risky
@@Acex2ron I mean I would definitely agree that nxy does not like playing into aeon, and I think I said myself that the hero is hardest countered by bkb, so it falls off in the sense that your job of assassinating gets harder, but it's still one of the strongest scaling pos 4s in the game. Even outside of direct solo kill assassinations, you are a good vision hero with a lot of stuns that doesn't mind buying blink so you can always provide good utility, even without the aghs (and personally I think aghs is what he scales best with unless you are snowballing hard). It's not a hero that kills everyone late game, but I've had many a teamfight I absolutely carried with lategame Nyx, as often off the back of consistent teamfight disruption with aghs as bursting a target. And don't just take my word for it, I'm a casual and haven't been high MMR in almost a decade, but I've heard Nyx repeatedly referred to in pro games as a hard scaling 4, and from personal experience I would definitely agree.
I must mention that nyx’s current iteration of mana burn and mindflare ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS MEDUSA, especially with aghs and a lens item where you completely outrange her whole burrowed. Nyx’s facet doesn’t burn mana based on his damage, it burns mana based on one’s current mana and mind flare’s damage is based on max mana, both medusa’s nightmare.
You forgot PA support. Everytime i select a carry hero and select the safe lane on the strategy map on turbo, there is a great chance one of my teammates will choose PA, using a very strange tactic of going jungle half of the time and never buying wards, is very common so must be some kind of new meta strat. Anyways great video.
To be fair, PA support WAS good for like 2 patches years and years ago when her Q was buffed to apply on-hit effects like Orb of Venom and Blight Stone, and had full max range from level 1, and could out range magic stick charging, buuuut that was a VERY long time ago 😂
So a little build option for Nyx for better scaling in late game. It is usually better to take Phylactery after your boots and rush Octarine instead of Dagon because both these items make Nyx pretty bulky gave him 45 sec cd cooldown on vendetta (so you can use it twice in 1 engage in late game) and enable a more spamm oriented build with mindflays every 3 second that deal a lot of damage with Phylactery procs. Try it out and thank you for nice description of overall playstyle of this little bug.
I think Rubick "no spells too still" problem is fake. There is close to never a 5 heroes without good spells. Even 2 sups with no spells is fiction. There is def a better games, but in my opinion you just need to understand your potential in the set game, and build around that. And lift is way more secure than hook, you need not only to hit hook, but also hit it in the right moment. Sometimes you hook someone and lose tha game of it. Pudge is in no way more secure. And also pro love when it secure. And they close too always rate rubick. He is just very hard. No spells 99% cope out. Cool vid tho. Good luck with your channel
Nah, there is absolutely games where he has nothing useful to steal. For example, I played a game yesterday as rubik vs Juggernaut, Sniper, Lion, CK and Undying. At first glance you'll say well Lion's there, he's good and Undying's tombstone is great. Well Undying noticed that I stole his Tombstone 2 times and started shift casting his ult or Q after using it, making it impossible for me to steal. Lion played in fog, since it was very hard for me to ward/deward because of the enemy's insane range with sniper and insane initiation with lion and CK. So the only time I saw lion was when he blinked in and stunned fingered me in combo with his CK. You'll say well stay back and buy defensive items. I did manage to steal his hex a few times only to realize, that juggernaut's Q, Lion's shard, which he rushed and CK and sniper's bkb's made me unable to do anything. Also sniper outranges rubik despite rubik having insane cast range and with his ghillie suit facet, you can't see where he is while he's hitting you with his E. Rubik is a great counterpick but he's terrible to first pick most of the time. The problem is that he's primarily played as a pos 4 or 5 and in pubs those are the first people to pick. So most of the time if the enemy's smart they won't pick things that will allow you to do much. Also pudge's way way more secure than rubik, especially with the new facets, pudge is literally in the top 10 heroes when it comes to winrate and we all know he's the most picked dota of all time. Most people can manage to hit hooks and even if they don't you can just buy a blink and blink ult into hook. Pulling the wrong target and losing the game happens once in 100 games and mostly by accident. So yeah currently pudge is way way more solid than rubik.
I agree that there's always something to steal. I think the problem is people focus too much on big teamfight spells that are usually long cooldown when basic low cooldown spells can be just as good. Sometimes you just have to randomly click on a hero and see what you get and try to make it work instead of trying to spellsteal a specific skill. Spellsteal has a good base with a really high potential, but if you only focus on the high potential you could end up worse than your baseline. This is even more pronounced on level 3 Spellsteal where you have a 4 second cooldown and only costs 25 mana. You should be stealing a new spell every 4 seconds and using it immediately so you can steal another spell after 4 seconds. Spells are balanced by cooldown and hero access, spellsteal allows you to bypass both. Being able to access big teamfight abilities sometimes is just a bonus. Funnily enough, this is lore accurate to Rubick's backstory. He essentially has magic ADHD and constantly learns and forgets spells really quickly.
As a mirana spammer she is totally solid now! Get the solar flare facet and build vlads then you buff your entire team. Core mirana? Heck you can transition from support to a 4th core with that solar flare facet.
Really? I think she's still kinda bootycheeks. She has a 46% winrate on Dotabuff and Solar Flare alone isn't that strong. She's just really weird to use--she's squishy, and her self-buff (leap) is tied to her escape tool, so you're either jumping into a fight as a ranged hero with like 0 resists, or running away with your attack speed and ms buff. Starstorm requires you to get in with such a minimal HP bar, and she gains less damage per level than fucking Bane. She badly needs a numbers buff, not to mention her incredibly slow projectile speed. I really want her to be good, but she just has way too many problems.
@@Acex2ron mirana is the only hero that didn't get buffed in the patch, therefore huge nerf. No one cares about the lotus facet. Flare is irrelevant bc moonlight is still better, which she had before.
Shieeeeet. As long time league player i found those videos super entertaining. Considering picking up dota when all champs will be explained in the future. Loves and keep up the amazing work
Minor correction. They nerfed Mirana's leap in crownfall. It only has 2 charges, max 3 charges with shard. Shard is absolutely required now, buy it minute 15 always. With max Q and shard, she one shots creep waves. Combine that with solar flare and Mirana has incredible split push and tower threat potential.
Also IMO solar flare is much better than moonlight shadow. Massive global steroid that gives insane attack speed and damage. Turn your whole team into death wards and melt towers with it
Mirana was a nightmare in Dota 1. Arrows out of nowhere, and get stunned for literally 5 seconds. I'm a bit disappointed she's just a support in Dota 2 and most CCs were nerfed.
I do love how versatile Rubick is. You can be a CC god or nuker. I had a game the other day where i stole Elder Titan ult and got a 5 man team wipe with it. Nearly nutted clean through my shorts lmao
Nyx scales pretty damn hard into lategame if you get Shard+Kaya+Aether Lens after Dagon 1, not to mention AoE mind flare flipping his matchup vs illusion heroes. His real problem is sieging T3s
@@Acex2ron Get a Nullifier or a Disperser. Or alternatively, exploit the fact that none of the cores are likely going to grab one and oneshot that gyro the moment he gets distracted.
I had a misunderstanding of what a support was meant to do in DotA. In every other moba, a support is one who has altruistic defensive or supportive abilities like shields and healing respectively. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like support is an assassin as opposed to a true support.
Well, "support" heroes in DotA are ones that have good value with limited income. So someone with high burst/strong at laning/consistent disable/buffing other heroes, ... with 1 or 0 items can be a support (Undying is consider a strong support and all he do is bullies everyone in enemy team for the first 15 minutes of the game). Sometimes, carries will be played as position-4 support (like naga siren, murreta,...) and in mid game will focus on farm more so they can be another carry in the late game
As a new player i must say that those videos are helpful a lot ! and btw i have another idea for videos - which item is good against who and why... like MKB is good against champions with dodge mechanic like Phantom Assasin and XYZ ( if there is other champs with dodge )
MKB is great against heroes who build dodge or have it as a part of their kit but also like to build BKB. However if you're against a hero who doesn't really rush bkb and has dodge, you might want to consider bloodthorn. It gives you AND your team 100% hit chance versus the target, in addition to silencing them and dealing bonus damage. MBK got nerfed so it's no longer 100% evasion pierce, it does a fine job but you can still miss attacks with it and bloodthorn's stats are generally better, since MKB just gives you flat dmg and not every hero cares about flat damage that much.
@@GiantBUThead i read bloodthorn description and it doesnt say anything about giving ANYTHING to your teammates and pierce is not 100% its 40% means its weaker agains ''dodge'' champs because MKB gives 80%
@@johnnathan5692 Well let's read it again: "All attacks on the silenced target, including from allies, have True Strike and deal extra magical damage." This means activating the item on an enemy, silences them and gives true strike against them. As for what true strike means here's the description from the wiki: "True Strike is any auto attack that cannot miss or be evaded by the target. True strike ignores evasion and blinds, allowing the user to always hit the target." This means when the PA gets debuffed with this, every attack against her has true strike for the duration of the debuff, basically making her passive uselss, it also silences and adds a good amount of magic damage that ignores armor and she's an agility hero meaning she relies on armor to survive. In addition to the debuff that you apply with it you get 100 attack speed, 10 int, 6.5 hp regen, 3 mana regen and 10 damage from this item. MKB on the other hand gives 45 attack speed and 40 damage and that's all. 40 damage is often much worse than all the other stats that bloodthorn gives. Oh and it passively gives you 40% evasion piercing from the javelin as well so even if the PA has a BKB you still get 40% evasion piercing.
Disagree on your Rubick take. Rubick is one of if not the best supp in the game right now simply because one , in the current climate of Dota 2 every heroes especially enemy supp will have at least one spell that you can utilize against them and two , even if the spells is underwhelming on paper Rubick 2nd Facet , his innate ability and Arcane Supreme will make that spell to be better in every way.
This is what I mean by this hero being overrated. You end up becoming a half-assed version of that other hero, just with a single better spell. You can steal Venge's Swap, but not her Aghs. You can steal Shuriken, but maybe not Track to make it actually decent. And what are you supposed to steal against Shadow Demon? AA? If they position well, you're not even gonna be in range because they play so far back--even with your insane cast range. Not to mention that there are picks that can easily stop you from stealing their best spells. Witch Doctor can bait you with Death Ward, only for you to steal Voodoo, Pudge can toggle his rot, and then you just have no stolen spell for a while. If he were actually as good as people claim, then he would have a higher winrate. Right now, he's sitting at 48% on Dotabuff, and as a support, about 49% winrate on D2Pro Tracker if considering his 4 and 5 winrate. If he were actually as good as people claim, he would be 1st pick/ban every game, which he definitely can be--but that depends on the meta. Even just last TI, he was the 54th most contested pick, very middle of the pack, and had an abysmal 37% winrate, and that's not even different compared to his current iteration. Sure, game's different now with innates and facets and stuff, but even back then people were already overrating this hero. "Best Support" is also a stretch. There are other supports who just have straight up more guaranteed value. Witch Doctor and Venge for example, both with better winrates and similar enough pick rates (WD is actually picked more right now). Again, not saying the hero is bad. Just incredibly overrated.
Yes, but Rubicks skill ceiling, and inconsistency is a liability. Is Rubick technically stronger than any other hero? yeah, because hes just that hero but better. The problem is that Rubick needs to be in cast range anytime a hero casts a spell he wants, and lots of heroes have the means to quick cast an additional spell to prevent Rubick from taking the one he wants. Without enemy spells Rubick's DPS is straight garbage after the laning stage. This isn't even mentioning the large list of heroes with spells that are entirely useless for Rubick to steal. Rubick is strong against certain line ups, but it's usually better to just pick a support that has abilities that are reliable and consistent.
@@fish-kt4iq They do have good spells, but in a regular game, they're gonna be doing everything to ensure that they don't steal their spells. The average joe Dota player won't be able to consistently steal Death Ward from a Witch Doctor who knows how to toggle their heal right after pressing R. And Rubick was the 9th most picked hero in ESL One Birmingham, and had a 43% winrate. If even the best Dota players in the world can't consistently win with the hero, what about your average pub player? I rest my case: overrated hero.
so this isnt really a support question, but what dota character would be a good analog for league's Kayle. as in ranged aoe auto attacks with massive focus on lategame power, I noticed Medusa exists and she sounds about right but I dont know if she is the best option. I thought I might as well ask because maybe someone will see this and give me a half decent answer
im thinking terrorblade, the guy on the last frame of this video. He a traditional late game carry who likes to stand his ground and pump damage. Has an ability that turns him into range and a utility ult that can save yourself or even allies. He has no splash damage tho, but spawns an army of ranged clones instead. Other similar hero is carry dragon knight. Transforms into range and has nuke and splash damage. Medusa, gyrocopter, and luna are other similar heroes who like to man up and has ways to pump damage to every enemy on their screen.
tried Zeus off-meta supp, terrible early game and was just clapped by enemy CM everytime I try to deward with my free deward ability with high mana cost never again
You are completely sleeping on Ofrenda on Muerta. It lets you save your tp scroll if you die. Always having it available is huge in the early game in case other lanes gets ganked. For late game pushes on high ground you can place it outside of highground and instantly buyback to get right back into the Fight. Effectively giving you a better aigis making the fight 5v6 (or 5v7 with aegis)if you're one of the first to die (this also allows you to play more aggressively). It's incredibly busted in the right hands.
I'm still not convinced. Again, if you do not die which is in 9/10 cases the optimal outcome, it is useless. In the late game, most people will replace their boots with BoTs and BoTs 2s, functioning as the same thing--and you're still expending buyback. In ultra-lategame scenarios, where people are 6-slotted with no boots, then it's good, but at that point you're choosing a facet for a situation that doesn't happen in 99% of games. Dance of the Dead is good because it buffs arguably Muerta's best spell and makes it last even longer in a teamfight. It's nice to have, don't get me wrong, but those use cases are so niche, and the fact that it does nothing when youre alive. There's a reason why Dance of the Dead is the higher winrate facet.
@@Acex2ron Would like to see which stats you're looking at, not that they really tell you much. If the team can achieve decent coordination, ofrenda should be much better. Let's wait until TI to see which one the pros go for. But I can agree that in the lower brackets, ofrenda is probably not as good because of coordination issues. But personally I would always pick it.
@@omffgswe Dotabuff, and keep in mind that this series is for low level pubs and new players, which is why I’m firm on the stance I’m on. Ofrenda is good, but I’m not gonna recommend it for people still learning the game
@@Acex2ron I think stuff like that is kind of important to know as to why you don't pick it, not that I would recommend any beginner to pick up muerta support to begin with. I would suggest adding a rough difficulty rating for each hero (in the specified playstyle). Like Chen should just be: "very hard" or "gl controlling 5 units at once" Anyway, appreciate how fast you're responding, subbed, keep it up.
Okay, I have to ask. Why is Skywraith Mage considered a Support? To me, he looks more like an actual carry than a support, hell, the only utility in his kit is a slow, a silence, and a damage vulnerability on one target. Is Skywraith Mage a Batrider situation where he WAS a carry but has fallen out of grace? Or is he a Jakiro where he's essentially a Lux/Brand carry support? Obviously I'm a League player, so some of the Supports baffle me when I hear that their kits are geared more for damage with helpful utility than actual supporting kits. Both Dota and League are very different so I understand if this is a weird question
The hero is heavily countered by defensive items, which are a lot more prevalent in Dota. BKB is the main one, but Force Staff can nullify Skywrath's ult, Aeon Disk protects against his full combo, and Lotus Orb makes a squishy a much less appealing target. Brand and Lux, and poke mages like Ziggs and Xerath, work in League because engage range in League is also really short compared to Dota. In this game, it's not rare to have someone jump on you from an entire screen away, and being a squishy mage with no mobility tool, Skywrath just ends up becoming food. Those, and the fact that Skywrath is "just" a spellcaster. A really powerful one, but other carries end up doing more. As a midlaner, Queen of Pain has great attack speed and incorporates autoattacks into her gameplay for increased DPS, Puck has a hard lockdown teamfighting ultimate and can easily become a hitter as well, The Spirit Brothers have better ganks and some form of CC. All of these listed examples have a mobility tool. There are heroes that are played midlane without mobility, but they have something to make up for it. Leshrac itemizes to be incredibly tanky and has great waveclear, OD has the utility of a banishing spell, and Invoker is, well, Invoker. Skywrath has a slow, a silence, and a fuckton of single-target damage, but that doesn't really mean much in a game with such prevalent saves and defensive utility. Skywrath mid is a thing, but it needs a draft around it to make it work.
tldr: he's a great spellcaster or "carry" in the early game and has very high solo kill potential but falls off real hard once the enemies start to itemize around him. and later on he just sits at the back and is dependent on the team to do his stuff
@@Acex2ron damn that sucks. Thank you for the explanation! And this whole series too btw, listening to you talk is feeding my brain very well while I do other things lol. I'm definitely going to try Dota when I get a better laptop, and your videos have got me hooked!
Bro thats not how zues ult works. Zues ult reveals invis or does damage (invis has priority) unless Smoked ,which zues ult will do nothing. So reveal invis unit 1st or the ult will not do damage
Rubick might be the MF that steals your kills because he always does, but it's also a bane to the enemy heroes if they can't find this idiot during a team fight as he steals every CC or Ultimate during the fight, especially with Aghs, Hunt Rubick before or during a fight, it's one annoying MF for both teams
Tusk doesn't deal alot of damage? My man have you played against russian deso daedalus tusks with blink. You die before you can react. 1 button death punch. Thank god I haven't seen one of those guys in a while but every few months they show up in my game and make me cry.
@@Acex2ron That's the issue, they do play him as a pos 4 when doing this shit. I have no idea how they get the farm, maybe they grief the pos 3 and steal his but it's scary.
Despite how cancerous it is. I miss old Techies.
I love watching enemies suddenly die because they step on 7 remote mines or gets anxiety because their jungle is full of prox mine.
You aren't in majority
There was a certain beauty in playing Techies for the sake of harming the minds of others ngl
Always makes me laugh like a maniac when an enemy is jungling thinking they're safe not knowing I planted green mines in their jungle creeps
@@couchpotato1546 you are a psychopath
Old techies was so unnerving he made pubs buy sentries before attacking tier 1 towers lmao. Countless times ive seen teams pushing into a tower and get blown into the next game in one single boom. It was hilarious every single time.
Techies was the single most awaited hero to be ported into dota 2 for this exact reason. It broke my heart when it was reworked.
Rubick has been my favourite hero for the past 10 years, using enemies' spells against them is just so satisfying, especially when you managed to steal their ults.
i creamed my pants as i recently could steal blackhole and bad juju as a combo with aghs.
but tbh most games are very basic boring in terms of spell steal targets
thanks for this series, King!!
That glok glok lmao
I lol'd
Pugna its simply the best 😂
hit them with the ethereal gawk gawk 🥵🍆💦💯‼️
Honestly best psrt of the video 😂
Regarding Spirit Breaker, Razor's Passive basically alerts him that Spirit Breaker is approaching when he uses Charge of Darkness. He can either go to safety after this or alert his team he's getting ganked. Kind of a niche situation but it's good to know about it.
Yeah man you can’t stop your dota videos I’m hooked
Gonna have to push back against the idea that Nyx falls off. Permainvis with massive burst damage and strong stun potential is extremely strong late game for catching heroes, and pick offs matter more in the lategame. Plus if you do go the burst damage assassin route with dagon and a potential eblade you can hard 100-0 a surprisingly large number of heroes, and with blink dagger added in you can bypass detection while doing it. On the other side, with the aghs build you can output a ton of stuns and damage (mind flare scales pretty well) over the course of a teamfight. Nyx's weakest point is actually his early/early-mid game since his laning kinda sucks and his lvl 1 ult is pretty lackluster. Not to mention that nyx's biggest counter is bkb, so he benefits a lot from the enemies having low bkb duration.
Nyx is one of my most played heroes, and personally I've found his best and worst matchups to be surprisingly dependent on carapace. For example, in theory nyx would struggle into a tanky hero like timbersaw, but the reliability of carapacing and chain stunning him and the mana burn (which is a bit worse now, admittedly) actually make him pretty difficult for timber to deal with. Meanwhile Lion and Shadow Shaman should be excellent matchups for him, as squishy int heroes he can easily burst, but having an enemy who can stun you without triggering your carapace can be a problem. Tusk I've found to be especially annoying, cause he's too tanky to burst (in the vid you say he's not that tanky, but he's one of the highest strength gains in the game with good base armor and modest agi gain, so with just a little bit of levels and items he becomes quite a chungus), and snowball can both avoid carapace and save enemies you go on, plus the ice shards prevent you from getting out after an initiation. Best matchups are heroes like leshrac, who is burstable and spams aoe, guaranteeing easy carapace stuns in ganks and teamfights.
Also idk what you'll be going for in the off meta episode, but I want to give a special shoutout to pos 5 CK, a pick I wouldn't actually recommend to any sane person, but one that I have 100% winrate on. It's a strong laning pick, and with a few bracers, blink, and shard you are great at assassinating supports and squishier cores, but getting to those items as a 5 is suffering and the only thing you can do in a teamfight is go in for the kill, so until you have those items it's even more suffering.
There's also support Arc Warden for a "support that really isn't as bad as it sounds" and pos 4 Sniper and Invoker for "Situational but genuinely good in those situations." Those last 2 I would actually recommend people who enjoy playing off meta pick up.
The thing is Nyx doesn't fall off because of his lack of scaling, but rather because of enemy itemization. When the Euls, BKBs, gems, and Aeon Disks start to come out, Nyx can't reliably assassinate people anymore. Coordinated teams can very easily deal with Nyx and other invis assassin heroes. You could buy a Nullifier if you really, REALLY wanted to, but at that point, an Aghs is better and less risky
@@Acex2ron I mean I would definitely agree that nxy does not like playing into aeon, and I think I said myself that the hero is hardest countered by bkb, so it falls off in the sense that your job of assassinating gets harder, but it's still one of the strongest scaling pos 4s in the game. Even outside of direct solo kill assassinations, you are a good vision hero with a lot of stuns that doesn't mind buying blink so you can always provide good utility, even without the aghs (and personally I think aghs is what he scales best with unless you are snowballing hard).
It's not a hero that kills everyone late game, but I've had many a teamfight I absolutely carried with lategame Nyx, as often off the back of consistent teamfight disruption with aghs as bursting a target. And don't just take my word for it, I'm a casual and haven't been high MMR in almost a decade, but I've heard Nyx repeatedly referred to in pro games as a hard scaling 4, and from personal experience I would definitely agree.
Great series. Really informative as a new Dota player and entertaining.
the thumbnail preview will haunt my nightmares tonight thanks
why?
@@diegoernestoarteagahuanca3894 shes dead
I appreciate this series. I played dota 2 way back then for half a year but now just enjoys watching vids like this.
I must mention that nyx’s current iteration of mana burn and mindflare ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS MEDUSA, especially with aghs and a lens item where you completely outrange her whole burrowed. Nyx’s facet doesn’t burn mana based on his damage, it burns mana based on one’s current mana and mind flare’s damage is based on max mana, both medusa’s nightmare.
Can’t wait for the next episode! ❤
Thanks to you, i'm starting my journey in dota with some understanding of the heroes. Keep up the good work my man
You forgot PA support. Everytime i select a carry hero and select the safe lane on the strategy map on turbo, there is a great chance one of my teammates will choose PA, using a very strange tactic of going jungle half of the time and never buying wards, is very common so must be some kind of new meta strat. Anyways great video.
It’s turbo 😂 you can buy wards?
To be fair, PA support WAS good for like 2 patches years and years ago when her Q was buffed to apply on-hit effects like Orb of Venom and Blight Stone, and had full max range from level 1, and could out range magic stick charging, buuuut that was a VERY long time ago 😂
@@Thermiten i didn't know that, but it looks fun, i hate playing pa anyways but love to be agressive has a support
So a little build option for Nyx for better scaling in late game. It is usually better to take Phylactery after your boots and rush Octarine instead of Dagon because both these items make Nyx pretty bulky gave him 45 sec cd cooldown on vendetta (so you can use it twice in 1 engage in late game) and enable a more spamm oriented build with mindflays every 3 second that deal a lot of damage with Phylactery procs. Try it out and thank you for nice description of overall playstyle of this little bug.
imma try this at my nyx game
Pls buy dagger first so you dont become a sitting duck when you dont have vendetta
@@huckleberryjam4975 That's a bad delay of better items
This video series has been great for me as a new player. Idk if you plan on doing similar videos for pos1-3, but i'd be here for it
I think Rubick "no spells too still" problem is fake. There is close to never a 5 heroes without good spells. Even 2 sups with no spells is fiction. There is def a better games, but in my opinion you just need to understand your potential in the set game, and build around that. And lift is way more secure than hook, you need not only to hit hook, but also hit it in the right moment. Sometimes you hook someone and lose tha game of it. Pudge is in no way more secure. And also pro love when it secure. And they close too always rate rubick. He is just very hard. No spells 99% cope out. Cool vid tho. Good luck with your channel
Nah, there is absolutely games where he has nothing useful to steal. For example, I played a game yesterday as rubik vs Juggernaut, Sniper, Lion, CK and Undying. At first glance you'll say well Lion's there, he's good and Undying's tombstone is great. Well Undying noticed that I stole his Tombstone 2 times and started shift casting his ult or Q after using it, making it impossible for me to steal. Lion played in fog, since it was very hard for me to ward/deward because of the enemy's insane range with sniper and insane initiation with lion and CK. So the only time I saw lion was when he blinked in and stunned fingered me in combo with his CK. You'll say well stay back and buy defensive items. I did manage to steal his hex a few times only to realize, that juggernaut's Q, Lion's shard, which he rushed and CK and sniper's bkb's made me unable to do anything. Also sniper outranges rubik despite rubik having insane cast range and with his ghillie suit facet, you can't see where he is while he's hitting you with his E. Rubik is a great counterpick but he's terrible to first pick most of the time. The problem is that he's primarily played as a pos 4 or 5 and in pubs those are the first people to pick. So most of the time if the enemy's smart they won't pick things that will allow you to do much. Also pudge's way way more secure than rubik, especially with the new facets, pudge is literally in the top 10 heroes when it comes to winrate and we all know he's the most picked dota of all time. Most people can manage to hit hooks and even if they don't you can just buy a blink and blink ult into hook. Pulling the wrong target and losing the game happens once in 100 games and mostly by accident. So yeah currently pudge is way way more solid than rubik.
I agree that there's always something to steal. I think the problem is people focus too much on big teamfight spells that are usually long cooldown when basic low cooldown spells can be just as good. Sometimes you just have to randomly click on a hero and see what you get and try to make it work instead of trying to spellsteal a specific skill.
Spellsteal has a good base with a really high potential, but if you only focus on the high potential you could end up worse than your baseline.
This is even more pronounced on level 3 Spellsteal where you have a 4 second cooldown and only costs 25 mana. You should be stealing a new spell every 4 seconds and using it immediately so you can steal another spell after 4 seconds. Spells are balanced by cooldown and hero access, spellsteal allows you to bypass both. Being able to access big teamfight abilities sometimes is just a bonus.
Funnily enough, this is lore accurate to Rubick's backstory. He essentially has magic ADHD and constantly learns and forgets spells really quickly.
@@GiantBUTheadyou don't steal tombstone on Undying though, you steal decay because it's insane against Str heroes (super long range and spell amp)
I'm excited to hear about PA, Tinker, and Monkey King support on the next video ahah
There no such things as PA support
@@kevinnosaurus793 someone has never watched 2B play with SingSing
@@kevinnosaurus793anything can work as mr no tail said
@PurpleOkayTurtle you aren't notail stop griefing rank games
@@madisonking8057 they play for content and 5 stacking all the time big difference with ur usual pub games.
As a mirana spammer she is totally solid now! Get the solar flare facet and build vlads then you buff your entire team. Core mirana? Heck you can transition from support to a 4th core with that solar flare facet.
Really? I think she's still kinda bootycheeks. She has a 46% winrate on Dotabuff and Solar Flare alone isn't that strong. She's just really weird to use--she's squishy, and her self-buff (leap) is tied to her escape tool, so you're either jumping into a fight as a ranged hero with like 0 resists, or running away with your attack speed and ms buff. Starstorm requires you to get in with such a minimal HP bar, and she gains less damage per level than fucking Bane. She badly needs a numbers buff, not to mention her incredibly slow projectile speed. I really want her to be good, but she just has way too many problems.
@@Acex2ron mirana is the only hero that didn't get buffed in the patch, therefore huge nerf. No one cares about the lotus facet. Flare is irrelevant bc moonlight is still better, which she had before.
Shieeeeet. As long time league player i found those videos super entertaining. Considering picking up dota when all champs will be explained in the future. Loves and keep up the amazing work
great, now I imitate Cupcakke going GOGOGO every time I sucky sucky with Lion or Pugna
Holy crap I've never thought about using drinking buddies in the snowball. Very helpful video. Thanks
I LOVE THESE SERIESSSSSSSSSSSS
My off-meta support picks are Naga and Flow Morphling. I hope they bring back Troll's old aghs so I can play it as a support again.
Bara Q doesn't pierce BKB, but he applies his passive when he charges through something. So his Bash works through his Charge.
Yeah, that's how it works. The tooltip isn't exactly clear with it though because people can misinterpret it as "you can't use it on BKB'd targets"
@@Acex2ron well, you can't. The stun and damage from Q's tooltips actually don't pierce. They should add it in the "Alt" extension maybe.
Minor correction. They nerfed Mirana's leap in crownfall. It only has 2 charges, max 3 charges with shard. Shard is absolutely required now, buy it minute 15 always. With max Q and shard, she one shots creep waves. Combine that with solar flare and Mirana has incredible split push and tower threat potential.
Also IMO solar flare is much better than moonlight shadow. Massive global steroid that gives insane attack speed and damage. Turn your whole team into death wards and melt towers with it
Played Rubick and instantly clicked with me
I loved these, thanks boss!
Mirana was a nightmare in Dota 1. Arrows out of nowhere, and get stunned for literally 5 seconds.
I'm a bit disappointed she's just a support in Dota 2 and most CCs were nerfed.
She can absolutely be played core now with her solar flare facet
I do love how versatile Rubick is. You can be a CC god or nuker. I had a game the other day where i stole Elder Titan ult and got a 5 man team wipe with it. Nearly nutted clean through my shorts lmao
Pugna and SB look insanely fun to play
Made it to the end! These were so good!
Aighty I'm gonna play pugna now. Gluk gluk
ah yes my weaver support gonna be mention. i am really excited.
Nyx scales pretty damn hard into lategame if you get Shard+Kaya+Aether Lens after Dagon 1, not to mention AoE mind flare flipping his matchup vs illusion heroes. His real problem is sieging T3s
Aeon Disk
@@Acex2ron Get a Nullifier or a Disperser. Or alternatively, exploit the fact that none of the cores are likely going to grab one and oneshot that gyro the moment he gets distracted.
beware sir nyx mind flare can one shot creep with mana.
dude, it's 5AM lowkey guessing this guy plays at SEA server
;)
I had a misunderstanding of what a support was meant to do in DotA.
In every other moba, a support is one who has altruistic defensive or supportive abilities like shields and healing respectively.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like support is an assassin as opposed to a true support.
Well, "support" heroes in DotA are ones that have good value with limited income. So someone with high burst/strong at laning/consistent disable/buffing other heroes, ... with 1 or 0 items can be a support (Undying is consider a strong support and all he do is bullies everyone in enemy team for the first 15 minutes of the game). Sometimes, carries will be played as position-4 support (like naga siren, murreta,...) and in mid game will focus on farm more so they can be another carry in the late game
Just a reminder, as of 7.36b, Nyx's W 1 shots creeps and neutral creeps. I don't know why.
As a new player i must say that those videos are helpful a lot !
and btw i have another idea for videos - which item is good against who and why... like MKB is good against champions with dodge mechanic like Phantom Assasin and XYZ ( if there is other champs with dodge )
Windranger, Hoodwink, Brewmaster have evasion mechanics
or heroes who buy Butterfly, Radiance or Halberd
You generally want MKB for these heroes
MKB is great against heroes who build dodge or have it as a part of their kit but also like to build BKB. However if you're against a hero who doesn't really rush bkb and has dodge, you might want to consider bloodthorn. It gives you AND your team 100% hit chance versus the target, in addition to silencing them and dealing bonus damage. MBK got nerfed so it's no longer 100% evasion pierce, it does a fine job but you can still miss attacks with it and bloodthorn's stats are generally better, since MKB just gives you flat dmg and not every hero cares about flat damage that much.
@@GiantBUThead i read bloodthorn description and it doesnt say anything about giving ANYTHING to your teammates and pierce is not 100% its 40% means its weaker agains ''dodge'' champs because MKB gives 80%
@@johnnathan5692 Well let's read it again: "All attacks on the silenced target, including from allies, have True Strike and deal extra magical damage."
This means activating the item on an enemy, silences them and gives true strike against them.
As for what true strike means here's the description from the wiki:
"True Strike is any auto attack that cannot miss or be evaded by the target. True strike ignores evasion and blinds, allowing the user to always hit the target."
This means when the PA gets debuffed with this, every attack against her has true strike for the duration of the debuff, basically making her passive uselss, it also silences and adds a good amount of magic damage that ignores armor and she's an agility hero meaning she relies on armor to survive.
In addition to the debuff that you apply with it you get 100 attack speed, 10 int, 6.5 hp regen, 3 mana regen and 10 damage from this item. MKB on the other hand gives 45 attack speed and 40 damage and that's all. 40 damage is often much worse than all the other stats that bloodthorn gives. Oh and it passively gives you 40% evasion piercing from the javelin as well so even if the PA has a BKB you still get 40% evasion piercing.
@@johnnathan5692 True Strike ignore evasion and Bloodthorn make All attacks on the silenced target have True Strike.
you gotta explain tb, faceless void, lc (facet give ally dmg), lina (slow burn), and many more right 🧑🍳
Nixth Sense's greatest strength is that punny name.
You either die a carry, or live long enough to see yourself become the Support
I've listened to Pugna's part and I like using my *glok glok* to dragon knight
Is visage no longer a support?
Visage is low-key 2/3
he's played pos2, pos3 and pos4. best as pos2, though
What’s the music playing in the Muerta section?
Also could you put the music you use in the description in the future?
I should probably get to that yeah, but I used the Gerudo Valley Theme, specifically from Smash Bros
Please don't forget about Faceless void support , you have to yell Slahser's Way every time you salve someone.
Disagree on your Rubick take. Rubick is one of if not the best supp in the game right now simply because one , in the current climate of Dota 2 every heroes especially enemy supp will have at least one spell that you can utilize against them and two , even if the spells is underwhelming on paper Rubick 2nd Facet , his innate ability and Arcane Supreme will make that spell to be better in every way.
This is what I mean by this hero being overrated.
You end up becoming a half-assed version of that other hero, just with a single better spell. You can steal Venge's Swap, but not her Aghs. You can steal Shuriken, but maybe not Track to make it actually decent. And what are you supposed to steal against Shadow Demon? AA? If they position well, you're not even gonna be in range because they play so far back--even with your insane cast range. Not to mention that there are picks that can easily stop you from stealing their best spells. Witch Doctor can bait you with Death Ward, only for you to steal Voodoo, Pudge can toggle his rot, and then you just have no stolen spell for a while.
If he were actually as good as people claim, then he would have a higher winrate. Right now, he's sitting at 48% on Dotabuff, and as a support, about 49% winrate on D2Pro Tracker if considering his 4 and 5 winrate. If he were actually as good as people claim, he would be 1st pick/ban every game, which he definitely can be--but that depends on the meta.
Even just last TI, he was the 54th most contested pick, very middle of the pack, and had an abysmal 37% winrate, and that's not even different compared to his current iteration. Sure, game's different now with innates and facets and stuff, but even back then people were already overrating this hero.
"Best Support" is also a stretch. There are other supports who just have straight up more guaranteed value. Witch Doctor and Venge for example, both with better winrates and similar enough pick rates (WD is actually picked more right now).
Again, not saying the hero is bad. Just incredibly overrated.
Yes, but Rubicks skill ceiling, and inconsistency is a liability. Is Rubick technically stronger than any other hero? yeah, because hes just that hero but better. The problem is that Rubick needs to be in cast range anytime a hero casts a spell he wants, and lots of heroes have the means to quick cast an additional spell to prevent Rubick from taking the one he wants. Without enemy spells Rubick's DPS is straight garbage after the laning stage. This isn't even mentioning the large list of heroes with spells that are entirely useless for Rubick to steal. Rubick is strong against certain line ups, but it's usually better to just pick a support that has abilities that are reliable and consistent.
@@fish-kt4iq They do have good spells, but in a regular game, they're gonna be doing everything to ensure that they don't steal their spells. The average joe Dota player won't be able to consistently steal Death Ward from a Witch Doctor who knows how to toggle their heal right after pressing R.
And Rubick was the 9th most picked hero in ESL One Birmingham, and had a 43% winrate. If even the best Dota players in the world can't consistently win with the hero, what about your average pub player?
I rest my case: overrated hero.
Miss Skywrath oldschool item :) :( Rod of Atos ;)
so this isnt really a support question, but what dota character would be a good analog for league's Kayle. as in ranged aoe auto attacks with massive focus on lategame power, I noticed Medusa exists and she sounds about right but I dont know if she is the best option. I thought I might as well ask because maybe someone will see this and give me a half decent answer
maybe Gyrocoper
im thinking terrorblade, the guy on the last frame of this video. He a traditional late game carry who likes to stand his ground and pump damage. Has an ability that turns him into range and a utility ult that can save yourself or even allies. He has no splash damage tho, but spawns an army of ranged clones instead. Other similar hero is carry dragon knight. Transforms into range and has nuke and splash damage.
Medusa, gyrocopter, and luna are other similar heroes who like to man up and has ways to pump damage to every enemy on their screen.
@@babon9697 Thank you for your suggestions.
tried Zeus off-meta supp, terrible early game and was just clapped by enemy CM everytime I try to deward with my free deward ability with high mana cost
never again
All Carrys series next?
Bro you are best
Bro, mirana's leap only has 2 charges now.
Wow must've missed that, they made her even more garbage
@@Acex2ron Excuse me but. They made it lower cooldown, so now you can use it to traverse the map again. It's better than before. -Sing Sing.
Every hero is a support hero if you're brave enough
You are completely sleeping on Ofrenda on Muerta. It lets you save your tp scroll if you die. Always having it available is huge in the early game in case other lanes gets ganked. For late game pushes on high ground you can place it outside of highground and instantly buyback to get right back into the Fight. Effectively giving you a better aigis making the fight 5v6 (or 5v7 with aegis)if you're one of the first to die (this also allows you to play more aggressively). It's incredibly busted in the right hands.
I'm still not convinced.
Again, if you do not die which is in 9/10 cases the optimal outcome, it is useless. In the late game, most people will replace their boots with BoTs and BoTs 2s, functioning as the same thing--and you're still expending buyback. In ultra-lategame scenarios, where people are 6-slotted with no boots, then it's good, but at that point you're choosing a facet for a situation that doesn't happen in 99% of games.
Dance of the Dead is good because it buffs arguably Muerta's best spell and makes it last even longer in a teamfight.
It's nice to have, don't get me wrong, but those use cases are so niche, and the fact that it does nothing when youre alive. There's a reason why Dance of the Dead is the higher winrate facet.
@@Acex2ron Would like to see which stats you're looking at, not that they really tell you much. If the team can achieve decent coordination, ofrenda should be much better. Let's wait until TI to see which one the pros go for.
But I can agree that in the lower brackets, ofrenda is probably not as good because of coordination issues. But personally I would always pick it.
@@omffgswe Dotabuff, and keep in mind that this series is for low level pubs and new players, which is why I’m firm on the stance I’m on. Ofrenda is good, but I’m not gonna recommend it for people still learning the game
@@Acex2ron I think stuff like that is kind of important to know as to why you don't pick it, not that I would recommend any beginner to pick up muerta support to begin with. I would suggest adding a rough difficulty rating for each hero (in the specified playstyle). Like Chen should just be: "very hard" or "gl controlling 5 units at once"
Anyway, appreciate how fast you're responding, subbed, keep it up.
They should really change Mirana's casting animation for sacred arrow just sayin' ffs it's an arrow, it is not supposed to be thrown like a spear.
I mean technically all arrows are really tiny spears. But does that mean a spear is a really big arrow?
@@Acex2ron The point is arrows are usually fired using bows, but maybe Mirana hurls it because it is a big ass arrow lol.
Here in dota, roles are just a suggestion
Okay, I have to ask. Why is Skywraith Mage considered a Support? To me, he looks more like an actual carry than a support, hell, the only utility in his kit is a slow, a silence, and a damage vulnerability on one target.
Is Skywraith Mage a Batrider situation where he WAS a carry but has fallen out of grace? Or is he a Jakiro where he's essentially a Lux/Brand carry support?
Obviously I'm a League player, so some of the Supports baffle me when I hear that their kits are geared more for damage with helpful utility than actual supporting kits. Both Dota and League are very different so I understand if this is a weird question
The hero is heavily countered by defensive items, which are a lot more prevalent in Dota. BKB is the main one, but Force Staff can nullify Skywrath's ult, Aeon Disk protects against his full combo, and Lotus Orb makes a squishy a much less appealing target.
Brand and Lux, and poke mages like Ziggs and Xerath, work in League because engage range in League is also really short compared to Dota. In this game, it's not rare to have someone jump on you from an entire screen away, and being a squishy mage with no mobility tool, Skywrath just ends up becoming food.
Those, and the fact that Skywrath is "just" a spellcaster. A really powerful one, but other carries end up doing more. As a midlaner, Queen of Pain has great attack speed and incorporates autoattacks into her gameplay for increased DPS, Puck has a hard lockdown teamfighting ultimate and can easily become a hitter as well, The Spirit Brothers have better ganks and some form of CC. All of these listed examples have a mobility tool.
There are heroes that are played midlane without mobility, but they have something to make up for it. Leshrac itemizes to be incredibly tanky and has great waveclear, OD has the utility of a banishing spell, and Invoker is, well, Invoker.
Skywrath has a slow, a silence, and a fuckton of single-target damage, but that doesn't really mean much in a game with such prevalent saves and defensive utility. Skywrath mid is a thing, but it needs a draft around it to make it work.
@@Acex2ron so, essentially, Skywraith Mage is considered a Support because he is so easy to counter and he has nowhere else to go but Pos 4/5?
@@pengdaw2nd easily countered and outclassed, yeah
tldr: he's a great spellcaster or "carry" in the early game and has very high solo kill potential but falls off real hard once the enemies start to itemize around him. and later on he just sits at the back and is dependent on the team to do his stuff
@@Acex2ron damn that sucks. Thank you for the explanation! And this whole series too btw, listening to you talk is feeding my brain very well while I do other things lol. I'm definitely going to try Dota when I get a better laptop, and your videos have got me hooked!
The one weakness that Spirit Breaker have is when the enemy build Linken Sphere 😢
Bro thats not how zues ult works.
Zues ult reveals invis or does damage (invis has priority) unless Smoked ,which zues ult will do nothing. So reveal invis unit 1st or the ult will not do damage
I mean that's not what I meant, but I can see why you'd interpret it as that
I throw a game once with Rubick's telekinesis. Won hard the first 25 minutes, lost in the next 3 minutes.
Mirana is a hero that went on a hero's journey and decided she wanted an identity crisis... lol...
Rubick might be the MF that steals your kills because he always does, but it's also a bane to the enemy heroes if they can't find this idiot during a team fight as he steals every CC or Ultimate during the fight, especially with Aghs, Hunt Rubick before or during a fight, it's one annoying MF for both teams
Couldn't stop laughing lol Ty for nice video
Nyx mind flair can one shot non ancient creeps
I like that Gawk gawk 5000 hero
Where is Underlord?
Tusk doesn't deal alot of damage? My man have you played against russian deso daedalus tusks with blink. You die before you can react. 1 button death punch. Thank god I haven't seen one of those guys in a while but every few months they show up in my game and make me cry.
This video assumes you're playing as a support and itemizing as a support, but yeah, Deso Tusk is a thing
@@Acex2ron That's the issue, they do play him as a pos 4 when doing this shit. I have no idea how they get the farm, maybe they grief the pos 3 and steal his but it's scary.
Mirana were my main long time ago, but they ruined her.
Pugna clean pugna fresh pugna tight, pugna pretty pugna skinny full of bones 🩻💅
new techies is fun
old techies is like u time travelled in ww2 battlefield💀
yeah its traumatizing
Chances are, Pinoy 'to final na
potm of the sun
Medusa is unplayable against nyx
Idk if i can actually play this game...
Jumong
Enigma is not 4 anymore? Since?
Viable as support still, infinitely better as an offlaner. The Eidolon change made him a lot less enticing to use
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Anybody know the song he used for Muerta?
Gerudo Valley Theme, the Smash Bros version
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