for ONCE, the venator was not under rated... not only by you is it under rated, but by everybody. We've seen those ship do really impressive things, and given the fact that the arc fighters we're better than the x-wing at destroying capital ship, it would be, in my book, a easy win for the venator, what i would do, as the captain of one of those, i would turn the ship so any kind of star destroyer or moncalamari ship would face the side, wich is armed with turbo lasers, yes, i would loose half of my firepower, but my obvious week spot would be protected and during that given time, i would launch my fighters, peraps i loose my 4 double-turbo laser, light up the engine, go for a little flight and try to make the enemy face my underbelly, while my star fighter were grouping up, i would be protected, now all the star fighters would go and take on the bridge or if its hidden, like on a moncal ship, i would send my fighters in separated squands that would take on the deferent turbo lasers each. final;y, if i can still steer my ship, i would put it upside down, well, to my starting point 'cause theres no upside in space, and i would order all the still working cannon to fire at the oposing ship. with that strat, you can take on anything up to a battle cruiser or a dreadnought, and even if my ship fall down to shred, im sure that all the air superiority fighters and bombers would be able to teamup and take on any ship (battle-cruisers and dreadnoughts excluded)
If I was the Venator captain, I'd release my fighters and bombers while beyond the effective range of the Victory's guns and I'd keep the ship there until the Victory was softened up before finishing it with the Venator's heavy guns. When you have such a clear advantage in fighters and bombers there's just no reason to slug it out with an enemy that has a clear advantage in firepower.
Don113 exactly my thoughts I never see why anyone thinks of doing that when looking at it as a versus match sexually clear space superiority of the venator overwhelms the ship-to-ship combat of the Imperial class and Imperial class only carry 72 Tie fighters of various kinds whereas the vinegar carries the 400 so yes those 72 would be wiped out of space so quick by the V 19 and Arc 170 and then the Y Wings would come up and bomb the ever living s*** out of its heavy turrets as the vinegar approaches and starts pounding it with their heavy guns
Not to mention that while sitting outside of the Victories range, say, 8 light minutes away, you could divert power from your shields to your AMAZING main turbolaser batteries and accurately engage the Victory class
6:03 I agree with you, there. Munificents were, alot of the time, able to take out a fleet of Venators, but here, 6 of them all of a sudden can't handle 1 Venator. It might just be plot armor, or maybe the droids couldn't fire all their cannons since they were caught by surprise. I was totally caught by surprise that one of my favorite youtubers recognized my post. 😂 Thanks
I mean, the top and bottom of the ship would have different armor values. It's a plot hole in that it isn't usually done or thought about in Star Wars since capital ships fight on an even plane for some reason as if they were floating naval ships. Really plays to the WWII based fighter effects, and a testament to the idea that it's about carriers and not battleships.
Munificent showings are all over the place in CW. Sometimes, they seem to be a one on one equal to Venators. Then you've got the hunt for Cad Bane, where one Venator casually rips apart 4 or 5 Munis. As for concussion missiles, there are various sizes and payloads. We typically think of them as fighter-to-fighter missiles, but the Victory's were a heavier antiship variety.
I think that the Venator is quite superior to a single munificent. And the Resolute was so close that probably the shields did not even matter in any way for the Munificent, as they cannot withstand the Heavy Turbolaser Fire at this Range. While the Venators shield and armour was able to withstand the multiple lighter munificent batteries.
I would even think the Venator would easily win 10/10 times. It's the classic aircraft carrier vs battleship setup. Any even half competent Venator captain would wisely stay out of gun range, launch all fighters and shred the Victory to pieces, perhaps moving in for the killing blow on an already crippeld or disabled ship.
I think launching only half of its fighters is smarter what if the Victory is able to kill most of your fighters then you are able to send a another group
Venator is crazy fast too. I think its acceleration is 3k, which is higher than every other ship its size. It would easily stay out of range from a single ISD while its fighters went to town.
it always pissed me off how the venators had a butt ton of fighters but in the clone wars show they always sent out like one squad of torrent fighters.
that many fighters can take on an entire task force of imperials, but the Venator would need time to releas all of them and VSD's and ISD's are fast for their size so retreating in sublight speed is not an option
@@nikotakai8796 yeah design is little different movie version is more beautiful Movie Venator www.pinterest.com/pin/289356344818561630/ Clone Wars (animation) Venator www.pinterest.com/pin/537124693032016170/
There's one important factor that you're forgetting; shields. The Venator, like most ships, would have been equipped with two types of shields; ray shields (or energy shields) for protection against energy-based weapons like turbolasers and laser cannons, and particle shields for protection against physical attacks, such as concussion missiles and proton torpedoes. As you mentioned, the Victory has a large number of concussion missiles. Normally, this wouldn't provide much of an advantage over turbolasers, but in this case, it would be crucial. The Venator would have to drop the particle shields over the hangar to be able to launch fighters (since the fighters are physical objects), and the Victory could use that opportunity to pour missiles through the shields and into the open hangar bay, bypassing the armour as well and wrecking the Venator from the inside-out. Therefore, I think this match-up would depend heavily on the Venator captain's knowledge of the Victory, particularly whether he is aware of the Victory's missile armament. If he was, he would manoeuvre the ship to be able to launch fighters without giving the Victory an open shot at the hangar bay (probably with a Marg Sable (or Sabl? Not sure about spelling)). On the other hand, if he didn't know, he may not take those precautions, and the Victory would be able to smack the Venator in the unprotected hangar bay.
The issue is the fighters and bombers of the venator far outrange the missiles of the victory, meaning the venator could stay far away while the victory is getting weakened and then come in while it's large turbolasers to finish it off.
@@derrickmeade4891in a 1 on 1 fight, both ships heading towards each other, they’re going to see each other on scopes and whatnot well before they’re actually in firing range of each other. Now if you’re saying “what if this/that” you’re changing the context of the debate Like what if the victory exits hyperspace at/within firing range of the venator? Ok well what if the venator already has its fighters out? In a basic cut & dry 1v1 venator wins But of course if we change some key details it could swing the opposite way
I love doing stuff like this to.. ~6:00 - The tactic of turning on its side was actually something we saw the Venator do quite a few times. Now Ryloth was the most expansive (and even then, the bridge crew noted that they werent sure the shields would hold, leading me to believe this type of tactic wasn't used as a 'sit and tank' maneuver.. But when trying to escape or sheild another ship..They'd turn on their sides and take hits under neath. We saw this on Christophis, Ryloth, and others in the clone wars series..
And for the last time, the bulbs on top of the KDY Star Destroyer lines were sensor emplacements. Look at them: They look exactly like geodesic radar domes, they're high up where you'd want sensors to be for best field of view, and they're binocular for rangefinding. Also, the production drawings from A New Hope say outright that they're sensors. West End Games saddled us with that shield generator nonsense, and it's perhaps the best thing to get tossed out with the EU.
The script doesn't need to hold your hand. The officer doesn't say what was destroyed, simply that bridge shield was down, as a result of which things on and near the bridge were vulnerable to attack. Which is what happened. Because the Rebel fleet focused all fire on the ship, per Admiral Ackbar's orders in the previous scene. If they're shield generators, what was the other one doing? Why are similar structures not necessary to project shields on other ships? Why were fighters able to attack the generator with the shield up? Why do the production drawings LITERALLY SAY they're radar domes?
@@RenegadePaladin so I did some research and found a wookieepedia page about the bulbs, turns out we’re both kinda right. It states that the bulbs are indeed sensor emplacements, and aside from that they also contain local shield generators (the main generator is located deeper in the ship), my guess would be that these shields specifically protect the bridge, hence why the officer said “we’ve lost our bridge deflector shields”.
TheMatrixGamer yes it was made by the old republic to match and somtimes beat a harrower it is more agile and hase less armore in places that it dosend nead so i would say a valor would win cause it could get under or behind the harrower the shoot out the engines then tear the ship apart. the valor and harrower look ao good pluse the hamerhead cruiser and the thranta cruiser
Such a fight would be hard to really tell, as the Victory as a Legends ship can have various sources that could all be considered "cannon" to legends and at the same time being conflicting, as it's only been mentioned in books, so there is no visual reference... While the Venator is entirely cannon and has been seen visually. In Legends, the Victory was commissioned toward the end of the Clone Wars as a planetary assault/siege ship. This meant that the Victory was well armed in terms of turbolasers and missile emplacements. In fact in the various mods of Empire At War, the Victory class fires large missile barrages from rear sections of its port and starboard sides. In terms of weaponry, I'd say that the Victory class has a clear advantage The Venator was reasonably well armed... but not well enough to over power a Victory. The area where the Venator may hold a real advantage would be in its speed and maneuverability. Legends sources say that the Victory was rather slow and that all to often, foes that knew they were outgunned simply ran and without a gravity well to hold targets in place, the Victory simply didn't have the speed to keep up. In this, a Venator could move a distance and increase the chances of missed shots and give its fighters time... but that doesn't mean the Victory would have a high miss percentage or that its barrage of missiles wouldn't have an affect on the Venator. On the whole, I'd think the Victory holds a slight edge, mostly due to the raw firepower that it holds and that it's primary target is another capital ship.
The missiles are for anti-fighter defense, being faster and more maneuverable than photon torpedoes which are actually more effective against Capital ships. If the Victory unleashes it missile compliment against the fighters of the Venator a lot of those pilots are toast
My thoughts exactly, the missiles also have longer range then the turbo lasers, meaning after the fighters and bombers are dealt with, it can bombard the Venator till the shields give out and close in for the kill.
Tbh I think the Venator was made just as a "movie" replacement for the Victory 1 class ship, they both were in use during the clone wars...and IMHO the Victory is a better predecessor for the Imperial Class.
Stargate/Star Wars Fanboy Better than the Nebulan. The Munificent has more weapons. Sure the shields aren’t great, however they’re not to hot on the nebulan either.
See, calling the Muni a "light frigate" is just wrong. That thing was damn near a match for light capital ships. A Nebulon-B just doesn't have the tonnage or firepower.
Few notes on the Venator's armament: for one, I believe it has four heavy proton torpedo tubes to give it some extra anti-capital punch. For another, we never see mention of those broadside deck guns that were used in the shootout with the Invisible Hand in Ep. 3. They clearly make up a significant chunk of its antiship firepower, but Wookiepedia and ICS don't mention them.
There is another factor that gives the edge to the venator. I think the turbolasers on the venator were exceptionally powerful compared to the victory, which is why only two per turret. They also had incredible range if I'm not mistaken and could hit targets many light minutes away. The victory though is for close quarters combat and orbital bombardmet only. They could easily stay out of range and bombard them from afar without much risk to themselves.
I have also requested a modified YT1300 (the Falcon) vs a modified Firespray class patrol ship (Slave 1) in most of the past videos, lets hope it gets lucky soon
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I think it would depend on the distance between the two in the initial engagement. Up close a victory would slam against a venator but if the engagement starts at extreme range the Venator would just kite the Victory away, using the distance as protection to allow it to use its top hanger. If the victory was able to close the gap during this time then the venator could still simply use the bottom bay for rearmament.
Complete loss for Earth. All the Republic would need to do would be to sit in orbit and bombard anything that came up. Modern armor would have no chance against technology that is literally millennia ahead of our own. Also, the Republic would not wage a war of extinction. They try for a peace settlement, but they would do so on their terms, and their terms only.
The Victory and the Venator are great for complementing each other strengths and can cover each other's weakness. I remeber in the old legend continuity the New Republic eventually developed the Nebula-class Star Destroyer and the Endurance-class fleet carrier
Love this series! You should do "flagship vs" for example Trench's invincible vs Ackbar's home one. in this they would still only be allowed to carry what they can take in, this time though the ships have their special modifications and the admiral's skill. Keep up the good work!
On the Mark 1 they are atmospheric wings that also act as armor covers for the Victory Mark 1's, 80 concussion missile tubes of which there are 40 on each side in between the wings, they can open and close.
While this doesn't really change anything, I think that the Venator's compliment is commonly misinterpreted. Most sources say it could hold 192 V-wings or V-19s and 192 Eta-2s. First off, given its size and that it is also carrying 36 ARC-170s, 40 LAATs and additional walkers and transports, I find it hard to believe that it could hold 384 starfighters. Second, the Eta-2s were exclusively used by the Jedi. So why a Venator would carry that many of them at the same time boggles my mind. I think it was supposed to be an either/or situation but a typo or lack of communication resulted in what we have in our sources.
Dark Side Darth revan harrow is half the size, now supposedly the voidstar was significantly bigger which might put it twice as big which would make it the size of a imp deuce
But it does carry quite a few fighters and the star destroyer only had like 72 ties while the harrower has 92 surprempecy fights and 32 or something close to 32 bombers
I also think you forgot to mention the multiple firing modes and power outputs of the Venator's 8 heavy turbolasers. It can put virtually all of its reactor power into those 8 guns for "vaporizing blows". Now the Victory probably still has much more firepower overall but the Venator will be firing back at the Victory with its own guns on high-energy setting while its starfighters go to work. With the help of the Venator's turbolasers and proton torpedoes, the Venator would probably win 9.5/10 really
Venator can also launch their fighters prior to jumping to hyperspace, pulling a rebel style assault initially, with the Ven finishing it off after the first bombing runs
In the Battle of Ryloth, the Resolute (the Venator you mentioned) did not appear to be firing at all, giving the impression that all of its power was diverted to the ventral shields. With this in mind, taking fire from six Munificent frigates seems to add up.
I just subscribed! Could you do the Acclamator vs. C-9979? It would be interesting to see to surface assault ships facing off, not only in space but also by deploying their ground forces against each other. Thanks!
I feel i should point out that a Venator's main battery, the eight turrets flanking the superstructure, are where the types main anti-shipping firepower is focused, you seem to ignore this or are perhaps ignorant of it. It is stated these turrets are very powerful, rivalling the main battery of the Imperial I class and could have most of the reactor's output routed to them, whilst also capable of both extremely precise long range shooting and rapid target acquisition at close range. That said, the Venator does lack the extensive secondary battery of the Imperial I class, allowing it to be overwhelmed by swarm tactics on at least one occasion. Also the ventral turbolaser used in the battle of Coruscant was a common modification in the open circle fleet but not across the entire navy. Ok, I've said my piece and thanks for another great video.
if the captain of the venator is canny enough to pull a marg sabl maneuver, putting all shields into defending their belly whilst they disgorge their complement of fighters, it'd only be a matter of time for the victory to fall. hells bells, the venator doesn't even have to engage if there's enough proton torpedo tubes on its fighters to launch a well-timed array of volleys
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This actually seems to make sense to me as well. I think it would come down to timing and tactics. Agree with the video that if the victory hits quickly and disables the venator it wins, but this doesn't happen often. If the venator gets all its fighters away, then the battle depends on what the victory does. If it focuses on taking out the venator it probably does, but takes heavy damage or is destroyed by the fighters. If it tries to defend against the fighters, it loses every time. I would say 8.5 times for the venator is a bit generous. Closer to 6.5 or 7 times out of 10 to the venator seems closer to me.
Interesting battle, I always thought they were quite even. Victory is like a semi-Imperial class. It is of similar strength to the senator, but while it is slightly smaller it packs much more firepower. One is a carrier, one is a destroyer, so to speak.
We can liken this engagement to those of WW2 Earth. The large capital ships (battle ships) and cruisers where taken out by fighters and bombers. So, it stands to reason that the vast amount of fighter support would lend to a victory for the Venator .
Its good that you mentioned which was the deciding factor, the Starfighters. But without the starfighters, the Victory 1 would definitely beat a Venator.
Think this one would largely be decided by range. If the Victory opened the engagement at close range where its turbolasers and concussion missiles could catch locks, I think it'd obliterate the Venator before it could get all of its fighters out, and before those fighters could tear into it significantly. If it started at long range, it would be a much larger challenge to deal with the amount of fighters the Venator could dump out, and the Venator could probably kite it until its fighters tore it apart. If it opened close, though, they likely couldn't open the ventral bay without catastrophic damage, and would get torn apart fast. The concussion missiles, in particular, are shown to be VERY nasty in the Rogue Squadron books.
Dan Brown the Venators main turbolaser batteries also have an extreme effective range of 111769438 kilometers, or 10 light minutes, if power is diverted from shields and nonessential systems
I've always called those numbers massively into question, based on just a couple pretty simple observed things: Mainly in that the guns aren't very accurate, given that you see more misses than hits, generally. Also, even if they could *travel* that far, the bolt itself is moving only a few hundred kilometers an hour. It might get there, but unless you've got a target with a really good carbonite-freeze system for the crew or something, I suspect they're going to protest the millions of years the round takes to show up. Maximum range they've been shown to fire, as I recall, for *any* turbolaser weapon system was about 30-40km as I recall, in RotJ.
The other fact worth mentioning is the extremely tough hull of a venator not sure about victory but venators were extremely thick which is why it could take multiple hits from those munificents. Not just the under side but look at the heavily damaged one that couldn't be simply destroyed but a hail of turbo laser fire. For me the venator is probably one of the best if not the best capital ships not just star wars but in sci fit over all.
I think those are the artillery canons we see in the clone wars TV show in battles like christophsis but there just built into the venator and peek through little shield windows
An interesting fives list would be best minor faction ships from legends. Things like Minstrel-class space yacht used by the Hutts, Chiss, Hapan, Ssi-ruuvi Imperium and Corporate Authority ships.
The _Andromeda_ was the only Venator-class Star Destroyer that still bearing the red stripe Republic color used by the Rebellion as a diplomatic vessel and mobile base of operations. It housed a bunch of A-wings, X-wings, and Y-wings.
I'd love if someone created a battle simulator where you can plug in the ship stats and then have the simulator run 100 simulated battles and see the results.
I agree, If I were the commander of the Venator I would keep my distance and launch out of the ventral bay, once the victory's turbo lasers are distracted by 400 star fighters the Venator's turbo and regular laser cannons can - together with the fighters - can rip the victory to shreds
I agree with your ultimate conclusion, but there is a point that you didn't mention, that I think most of the time turns a somewhat close win for the Venator to a total curb stomp. This is a battle of Battleship vs Carrier + Cruiser. That means that, as long as there is nothing to anchor the Venator in place, they are equally fast (or slow,) and they detect each other beyond mutual range (another place where fighters help,) the Venator never needs to come into range. It can stay out of range indefinitely, and pound the Victory into scrap with fighters. As far as I can tell they can do the same to the Imperial & Imperial II.
curious, you left out one situation, planetary assault. the vsd was greatly suited for planetary assault with it cannons. in the computer game-rebellion, the vsd1 and vsd2 are the best at planetary assault. having 10 of them could take out planetary shield and batteries. please if you havent played rebellion, find a windows 98 or xp computer and try it. lots of vechiles, troop classes and diplomacy missions. also have you done a video in which you compare the troop ships? galleons, star galeons, bulk transports, regular transports. i do like your videos, thanks for helping with the lore and knowledge.
Thanks for this lad, love the review cause the Venator won but won for differnt reasons than what i suggested and, and it was well thought out like the other "not so cut and dry" match ups!
Just stupid suggestion but imperial star destroyer vs Godzilla could be fun as a joke video seeing that Godzilla has the ability to fly and breath in space with his durability of tanking nukes meteors and being able to swim through a volcano and coming out the other side more pissed than anything I don't know just sounds like a fun topic.
A lot of the fighters and bombers the Venator carries have hyperdrives as well which means it could launch it's fighters one jump off from the Victory class, and let it's bombers do all the work without ever having presented a target.
Hay I hope you see this,the Artillery tank piece in the underbelly of the Venuter is not a common practice,actually from my understanding only 1 captain used it during the clone wars and it was Anakins command ship only!
Hey guys - the music in today's video is a bit loud in placrs, will have it fixed for next time!
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alirida shugaa I'm pretty sure you're right. It did in every game it appeared in.
for ONCE, the venator was not under rated... not only by you is it under rated, but by everybody. We've seen those ship do really impressive things, and given the fact that the arc fighters we're better than the x-wing at destroying capital ship, it would be, in my book, a easy win for the venator, what i would do, as the captain of one of those, i would turn the ship so any kind of star destroyer or moncalamari ship would face the side, wich is armed with turbo lasers, yes, i would loose half of my firepower, but my obvious week spot would be protected and during that given time, i would launch my fighters, peraps i loose my 4 double-turbo laser, light up the engine, go for a little flight and try to make the enemy face my underbelly, while my star fighter were grouping up, i would be protected, now all the star fighters would go and take on the bridge or if its hidden, like on a moncal ship, i would send my fighters in separated squands that would take on the deferent turbo lasers each. final;y, if i can still steer my ship, i would put it upside down, well, to my starting point 'cause theres no upside in space, and i would order all the still working cannon to fire at the oposing ship. with that strat, you can take on anything up to a battle cruiser or a dreadnought, and even if my ship fall down to shred, im sure that all the air superiority fighters and bombers would be able to teamup and take on any ship (battle-cruisers and dreadnoughts excluded)
EckhartsLadder In the Clone Wars tv show we can see a venator carry a consulate corvette
If I was the Venator captain, I'd release my fighters and bombers while beyond the effective range of the Victory's guns and I'd keep the ship there until the Victory was softened up before finishing it with the Venator's heavy guns. When you have such a clear advantage in fighters and bombers there's just no reason to slug it out with an enemy that has a clear advantage in firepower.
Don113 exactly my thoughts I never see why anyone thinks of doing that when looking at it as a versus match sexually clear space superiority of the venator overwhelms the ship-to-ship combat of the Imperial class and Imperial class only carry 72 Tie fighters of various kinds whereas the vinegar carries the 400 so yes those 72 would be wiped out of space so quick by the V 19 and Arc 170 and then the Y Wings would come up and bomb the ever living s*** out of its heavy turrets as the vinegar approaches and starts pounding it with their heavy guns
Chris Terry I'm assuming you meant Venator, lol
Not to mention that while sitting outside of the Victories range, say, 8 light minutes away, you could divert power from your shields to your AMAZING main turbolaser batteries and accurately engage the Victory class
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Yeah but the victory is going to make sure it’s close to you at all times
6:03 I agree with you, there. Munificents were, alot of the time, able to take out a fleet of Venators, but here, 6 of them all of a sudden can't handle 1 Venator. It might just be plot armor, or maybe the droids couldn't fire all their cannons since they were caught by surprise.
I was totally caught by surprise that one of my favorite youtubers recognized my post. 😂 Thanks
I mean, the top and bottom of the ship would have different armor values. It's a plot hole in that it isn't usually done or thought about in Star Wars since capital ships fight on an even plane for some reason as if they were floating naval ships. Really plays to the WWII based fighter effects, and a testament to the idea that it's about carriers and not battleships.
Is it not the other way around? Multiple Munificent to one Venator? I think you may have an error there.
@@makanidemoulin7591 they are it's been said many times that one ventator equals 6 of those
Munificent showings are all over the place in CW. Sometimes, they seem to be a one on one equal to Venators. Then you've got the hunt for Cad Bane, where one Venator casually rips apart 4 or 5 Munis.
As for concussion missiles, there are various sizes and payloads. We typically think of them as fighter-to-fighter missiles, but the Victory's were a heavier antiship variety.
I think that the Venator is quite superior to a single munificent. And the Resolute was so close that probably the shields did not even matter in any way for the Munificent, as they cannot withstand the Heavy Turbolaser Fire at this Range.
While the Venators shield and armour was able to withstand the multiple lighter munificent batteries.
I would even think the Venator would easily win 10/10 times. It's the classic aircraft carrier vs battleship setup. Any even half competent Venator captain would wisely stay out of gun range, launch all fighters and shred the Victory to pieces, perhaps moving in for the killing blow on an already crippeld or disabled ship.
I think launching only half of its fighters is smarter what if the Victory is able to kill most of your fighters then you are able to send a another group
Venator is crazy fast too. I think its acceleration is 3k, which is higher than every other ship its size. It would easily stay out of range from a single ISD while its fighters went to town.
This is space, and victory had vastly superior hyperdrive...shit be in melee before Venator knows it.
@@rpk321no it didn't wtf they have the exact same class and the venator even has a backup one which the victory doesn't
Its also vastly slower and its acceleration lower then the venator meaning it is slower and can easily stay out of range
it always pissed me off how the venators had a butt ton of fighters but in the clone wars show they always sent out like one squad of torrent fighters.
It's very expensive to animate all those fighters
how exactly does it piss u off?
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@@smokingpiggy5425 haha lol
@@RobinSwedeI honestly don't know what I meant by saying that, sorry
Just imagine a Victory I class being swarmed by 150x ARC-170s, 100x Y-Wings, and 50x V-Wings lmao.
that many fighters can take on an entire task force of imperials, but the Venator would need time to releas all of them and VSD's and ISD's are fast for their size so retreating in sublight speed is not an option
@@matthewnickolas4706 Yes but if the admiral wants to keep his ship in one piece he prob want charge at the venator because of that.
the thing is, 250 of thoes starfighters have FTL, so you could sit a few light years away and send the fighters in
victory had rockets
The ventor is my favorite capital ship in the clone wars
The Venator is by far my favorite ship in all of star wars
movie version is more better
I love the venator and the lucrehulk
@@redreaper5083 What do you mean? Is there any difference?
@@nikotakai8796 yeah design is little different movie version is more beautiful
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The Victory is probably the perfect partner for the Venator. A fleet composed of both ships would be a terrifying foe
There's one important factor that you're forgetting; shields. The Venator, like most ships, would have been equipped with two types of shields; ray shields (or energy shields) for protection against energy-based weapons like turbolasers and laser cannons, and particle shields for protection against physical attacks, such as concussion missiles and proton torpedoes. As you mentioned, the Victory has a large number of concussion missiles. Normally, this wouldn't provide much of an advantage over turbolasers, but in this case, it would be crucial. The Venator would have to drop the particle shields over the hangar to be able to launch fighters (since the fighters are physical objects), and the Victory could use that opportunity to pour missiles through the shields and into the open hangar bay, bypassing the armour as well and wrecking the Venator from the inside-out.
Therefore, I think this match-up would depend heavily on the Venator captain's knowledge of the Victory, particularly whether he is aware of the Victory's missile armament. If he was, he would manoeuvre the ship to be able to launch fighters without giving the Victory an open shot at the hangar bay (probably with a Marg Sable (or Sabl? Not sure about spelling)). On the other hand, if he didn't know, he may not take those precautions, and the Victory would be able to smack the Venator in the unprotected hangar bay.
The missiles also outrange the lasers and are great for fighter defense as they're faster and more manuverable then torpedoes.
The issue is the fighters and bombers of the venator far outrange the missiles of the victory, meaning the venator could stay far away while the victory is getting weakened and then come in while it's large turbolasers to finish it off.
@@retroneer5824but what if the victory wasn't out of missile range
@@derrickmeade4891in a 1 on 1 fight, both ships heading towards each other, they’re going to see each other on scopes and whatnot well before they’re actually in firing range of each other.
Now if you’re saying “what if this/that” you’re changing the context of the debate
Like what if the victory exits hyperspace at/within firing range of the venator? Ok well what if the venator already has its fighters out?
In a basic cut & dry 1v1 venator wins
But of course if we change some key details it could swing the opposite way
I love doing stuff like this to.. ~6:00 - The tactic of turning on its side was actually something we saw the Venator do quite a few times. Now Ryloth was the most expansive (and even then, the bridge crew noted that they werent sure the shields would hold, leading me to believe this type of tactic wasn't used as a 'sit and tank' maneuver.. But when trying to escape or sheild another ship..They'd turn on their sides and take hits under neath. We saw this on Christophis, Ryloth, and others in the clone wars series..
the Praetor Mark 2 Class-Battlecruiser vs Resurgent Class-Star Destroyer (8th time trying)
Josh Schreiber ive been trying this for a while. However, I do think the Resurgent wins, due to better tech
Seems like you made it
And for the last time, the bulbs on top of the KDY Star Destroyer lines were sensor emplacements. Look at them: They look exactly like geodesic radar domes, they're high up where you'd want sensors to be for best field of view, and they're binocular for rangefinding. Also, the production drawings from A New Hope say outright that they're sensors. West End Games saddled us with that shield generator nonsense, and it's perhaps the best thing to get tossed out with the EU.
In Return of the Jedi, one of those bulbs gets destroyed on a star destroyer and they literally say “we’ve lost deflector shield generators”
Not quite. It's "We've lost our bridge deflector shield," as a result of which the Rebels were able to destroy the sensor tower.
@@RenegadePaladin no? They say “We’ve lost our bridge deflector shields” RIGHT after the bulb gets destroyed. There’s no mention of sensors.
The script doesn't need to hold your hand. The officer doesn't say what was destroyed, simply that bridge shield was down, as a result of which things on and near the bridge were vulnerable to attack. Which is what happened. Because the Rebel fleet focused all fire on the ship, per Admiral Ackbar's orders in the previous scene.
If they're shield generators, what was the other one doing? Why are similar structures not necessary to project shields on other ships? Why were fighters able to attack the generator with the shield up? Why do the production drawings LITERALLY SAY they're radar domes?
@@RenegadePaladin so I did some research and found a wookieepedia page about the bulbs, turns out we’re both kinda right. It states that the bulbs are indeed sensor emplacements, and aside from that they also contain local shield generators (the main generator is located deeper in the ship), my guess would be that these shields specifically protect the bridge, hence why the officer said “we’ve lost our bridge deflector shields”.
Naboo N-1 starfighter vs Nantex-class territorial defense starfighter
+manos rafahl interesting
EckhartsLadder isn't it?
Naboo N-1 starfighter would win any day.
I enjoy your series but do you mind lowering the volume of the background music? It's very distracting.
Agreed. I'm not a fan of the music at all, really. Not very star wars, and just distracting.
Same
I had a hard time hearing him over it
crankysmurf read his first comment
(Second attempt) What about the open circle fleet vs. the death squadron. I know it isn't 1 on 1, but it could be a very interesting Match-Up
+Valentin Glanz could be very interesting!
Valentin Glanz I Hope he Choice this Battle ( or my battle ) for the next Video
Death squadron three word Super Star Destroyer
Lets get a little mandalorian action going:
Keldabe-class Battleship vs. Valor-class Cruiser.
(Fourth attempt) MC90 Star Cruiser vs Anakin Solo (Jacen Solo’s Flagship)?
+Thomas Parry good luck!
Thomas Parry you'll need it!
What would happen if the Republic encountered Earth during the Clone Wars?
Thomas Parry We can do it!
what is jacen solo's flagship ?
Valor-class VS Harrower-class
CC188 Probably Harrower because it's bigger. Bigger=better
Eduard Eduardson What about the hammerhead corvette in rogue one?
Star Destroyer was damaged on a 1v1 a Hammerhead has no chance against a Star Destroyer
Wasn't the Valor-Class designed to match up against a Harrower-Class?
TheMatrixGamer yes it was made by the old republic to match and somtimes beat a harrower it is more agile and hase less armore in places that it dosend nead so i would say a valor would win cause it could get under or behind the harrower the shoot out the engines then tear the ship apart. the valor and harrower look ao good pluse the hamerhead cruiser and the thranta cruiser
Providence class vs Independence class
Tribalshark 8 good luck!
100 super star destroyers vs death star
Star Bat861 that's easy Death Star
SSDs count the Eclipse, yeah? I mean in *that* case.... xD
100 eclipses
ok 100 executors
How about the Deathstar vs the high ground
Covenant CSO-Class Supercarrier Vs Imperial Exutor class
Good cross universe match up!
Don't u mean Executor
Watching space battles with chill music really gives a different vibe
Legends Hammerhead vs Canon Hammerhead
Black Templuh legends
Black Templuh and good luck
Black Templuh The Legends one is 1000 meters longer... that seems fair.
The legends one is a cruiser and the Canon a corvette. That's like nebulon-b vs the blockade runner.
take into account thousands of years of technology advances for the Corvette
Also something you didn't mention is the 8 Massive turrets on the side of the venator that were hugely powerful.
Such a fight would be hard to really tell, as the Victory as a Legends ship can have various sources that could all be considered "cannon" to legends and at the same time being conflicting, as it's only been mentioned in books, so there is no visual reference... While the Venator is entirely cannon and has been seen visually.
In Legends, the Victory was commissioned toward the end of the Clone Wars as a planetary assault/siege ship. This meant that the Victory was well armed in terms of turbolasers and missile emplacements. In fact in the various mods of Empire At War, the Victory class fires large missile barrages from rear sections of its port and starboard sides. In terms of weaponry, I'd say that the Victory class has a clear advantage The Venator was reasonably well armed... but not well enough to over power a Victory.
The area where the Venator may hold a real advantage would be in its speed and maneuverability. Legends sources say that the Victory was rather slow and that all to often, foes that knew they were outgunned simply ran and without a gravity well to hold targets in place, the Victory simply didn't have the speed to keep up. In this, a Venator could move a distance and increase the chances of missed shots and give its fighters time... but that doesn't mean the Victory would have a high miss percentage or that its barrage of missiles wouldn't have an affect on the Venator.
On the whole, I'd think the Victory holds a slight edge, mostly due to the raw firepower that it holds and that it's primary target is another capital ship.
v wing vs. a wing, both one of the fastest ships of there time
The missiles are for anti-fighter defense, being faster and more maneuverable than photon torpedoes which are actually more effective against Capital ships. If the Victory unleashes it missile compliment against the fighters of the Venator a lot of those pilots are toast
My thoughts exactly, the missiles also have longer range then the turbo lasers, meaning after the fighters and bombers are dealt with, it can bombard the Venator till the shields give out and close in for the kill.
Tbh I think the Venator was made just as a "movie" replacement for the Victory 1 class ship, they both were in use during the clone wars...and IMHO the Victory is a better predecessor for the Imperial Class.
Nebleoun B vs munificent light frigate
PLO Koon I'd have to give it to the Munificent Class Star Frigate
what about the nebulon fighters?
Stargate/Star Wars Fanboy Better than the Nebulan. The Munificent has more weapons. Sure the shields aren’t great, however they’re not to hot on the nebulan either.
See, calling the Muni a "light frigate" is just wrong. That thing was damn near a match for light capital ships. A Nebulon-B just doesn't have the tonnage or firepower.
Few notes on the Venator's armament: for one, I believe it has four heavy proton torpedo tubes to give it some extra anti-capital punch. For another, we never see mention of those broadside deck guns that were used in the shootout with the Invisible Hand in Ep. 3. They clearly make up a significant chunk of its antiship firepower, but Wookiepedia and ICS don't mention them.
Actually pulling straight from the wiki the Venator only has swarms of V-19s or Eta-2s. It has less than 40 ARCs
There is another factor that gives the edge to the venator. I think the turbolasers on the venator were exceptionally powerful compared to the victory, which is why only two per turret. They also had incredible range if I'm not mistaken and could hit targets many light minutes away. The victory though is for close quarters combat and orbital bombardmet only. They could easily stay out of range and bombard them from afar without much risk to themselves.
Slave 1 vs Melenium Falcon! #7th Try😂
or Pride of the Core vs Executor
LunaticKloß TV The Pride of the core would get shredded by the executor
I have also requested a modified YT1300 (the Falcon) vs a modified Firespray class patrol ship (Slave 1) in most of the past videos, lets hope it gets lucky soon
***** we had this discussion before that this is only fanon
Dude, I got freaked out when I saw your profile pic xD Since it's the same as mine, I haven't seen anyone else use the same pic until now xD Almost thought I had clicked on an older video I had commented on
Ice Cold Gamer nice😂
I think it would depend on the distance between the two in the initial engagement. Up close a victory would slam against a venator but if the engagement starts at extreme range the Venator would just kite the Victory away, using the distance as protection to allow it to use its top hanger. If the victory was able to close the gap during this time then the venator could still simply use the bottom bay for rearmament.
Daedalus-class battlecruiser vs mc 80
No contest, MC 80, hands down.
What would happen if the Republic encountered Earth during the Clone Wars?
Complete loss for Earth. All the Republic would need to do would be to sit in orbit and bombard anything that came up. Modern armor would have no chance against technology that is literally millennia ahead of our own.
Also, the Republic would not wage a war of extinction. They try for a peace settlement, but they would do so on their terms, and their terms only.
i don't think it be that easy whit the asgrad main plasma guns and they shields might be more advanced then a mc 80 but fighters go to mc 80
Wesley Byrd Actually it depends on how advanced our rail gun tech is. if sufficiently advanced, we could hit them from down here
these videos have me thinking alot about major battles in star citizens when ever the game comes out.
Could you do a head to head of the Eta-2 Actis Interceptor vs the Delta-7 Aetherspirte interceptor?
d1arkblue Delta 7-B. It was more combat fit
Nice video and I agree with the outcome thought you missed the 4 torpedo tubes on the Venator when listing the armaments.
X-WING VS THE ARC-170.
The Victory and the Venator are great for complementing each other strengths and can cover each other's weakness. I remeber in the old legend continuity the New Republic eventually developed the Nebula-class Star Destroyer and the Endurance-class fleet carrier
I use that Ryloth Blokadebreaker strategy when playing Star Wars -Empire at War (Republic at War Mod) :D :D :D
What you’re essentially looking at, is an Aircraft Carrier launching an Air Onslaught at a Battleship.
Outrider vs Millennium Falcon
Love this series! You should do "flagship vs" for example Trench's invincible vs Ackbar's home one. in this they would still only be allowed to carry what they can take in, this time though the ships have their special modifications and the admiral's skill. Keep up the good work!
Slave 1 vs. The Outrider (Dash Rendar)
+Clark Kent love the outrider
Exchartsladder what are those flaps the open like a x wing and the victory mark 1?
On the Mark 1 they are atmospheric wings that also act as armor covers for the Victory Mark 1's, 80 concussion missile tubes of which there are 40 on each side in between the wings, they can open and close.
Come on man, Imperial 1 Star Destroyer versus Providence class Dreadnaught!!
+Catpirate good luck!
EckhartsLadder Gah! I meant Imperial 1, not Victory
While this doesn't really change anything, I think that the Venator's compliment is commonly misinterpreted. Most sources say it could hold 192 V-wings or V-19s and 192 Eta-2s. First off, given its size and that it is also carrying 36 ARC-170s, 40 LAATs and additional walkers and transports, I find it hard to believe that it could hold 384 starfighters. Second, the Eta-2s were exclusively used by the Jedi. So why a Venator would carry that many of them at the same time boggles my mind. I think it was supposed to be an either/or situation but a typo or lack of communication resulted in what we have in our sources.
Tie fighter vs Droid Starfighter.
Vulture droid wins easily. It can stand off and use buzz-droid missiles, or close in and fight with twice the number of laser cannons.
Victory class star destroyer vs resolute venator class star destroyer
Harrow dreadnaught vs imperial star destroyer
Dark Side Darth revan harrow is half the size, now supposedly the voidstar was significantly bigger which might put it twice as big which would make it the size of a imp deuce
George Graham yea I know
But it does carry quite a few fighters and the star destroyer only had like 72 ties while the harrower has 92 surprempecy fights and 32 or something close to 32 bombers
Also the supremecy fighters could take a hit and had shields and had 4 laser cannons
And those laser cannons were rapid fire
I also think you forgot to mention the multiple firing modes and power outputs of the Venator's 8 heavy turbolasers. It can put virtually all of its reactor power into those 8 guns for "vaporizing blows". Now the Victory probably still has much more firepower overall but the Venator will be firing back at the Victory with its own guns on high-energy setting while its starfighters go to work.
With the help of the Venator's turbolasers and proton torpedoes, the Venator would probably win 9.5/10 really
Every time you said "Ventral" I think you meant "Dorsal"
Dorsal = Top; Ventral = Bottom
And lateral = sides.
Venator can also launch their fighters prior to jumping to hyperspace, pulling a rebel style assault initially, with the Ven finishing it off after the first bombing runs
Venator Class Star Destroyer Against Munificent Class Star destroyer
Mr President Venator of course!
In the Battle of Ryloth, the Resolute (the Venator you mentioned) did not appear to be firing at all, giving the impression that all of its power was diverted to the ventral shields. With this in mind, taking fire from six Munificent frigates seems to add up.
MC-75 (Canon) vs MC-75 (Legends)
I just subscribed! Could you do the Acclamator vs. C-9979? It would be interesting to see to surface assault ships facing off, not only in space but also by deploying their ground forces against each other. Thanks!
corellian corvette vs tartan patrol cruiser
lol just test it billions of times in Empire at War
I feel i should point out that a Venator's main battery, the eight turrets flanking the superstructure, are where the types main anti-shipping firepower is focused, you seem to ignore this or are perhaps ignorant of it. It is stated these turrets are very powerful, rivalling the main battery of the Imperial I class and could have most of the reactor's output routed to them, whilst also capable of both extremely precise long range shooting and rapid target acquisition at close range.
That said, the Venator does lack the extensive secondary battery of the Imperial I class, allowing it to be overwhelmed by swarm tactics on at least one occasion. Also the ventral turbolaser used in the battle of Coruscant was a common modification in the open circle fleet but not across the entire navy.
Ok, I've said my piece and thanks for another great video.
Lukerhulk vs Imp 1-class SD
if the captain of the venator is canny enough to pull a marg sabl maneuver, putting all shields into defending their belly whilst they disgorge their complement of fighters, it'd only be a matter of time for the victory to fall. hells bells, the venator doesn't even have to engage if there's enough proton torpedo tubes on its fighters to launch a well-timed array of volleys
Concussion missiles can easily destroy fighter crafts.
Unless they spin that’s always a good trick🤣
@@Charred-Skeleton and theres 400+ of them
I think Thrawn would know how to use a Victory Class Star Destroyer against the Venator Class
X-wing vs deathstar XD
X wing for da win
A giant multi billion credit Battle station the size of a small moon capable of destroying planets in a single shot
Or?
One moisture farmer from a desert
I love the music you use
i think that victory would annihillate venator but then venators fighters would destroy victory
This actually seems to make sense to me as well. I think it would come down to timing and tactics. Agree with the video that if the victory hits quickly and disables the venator it wins, but this doesn't happen often. If the venator gets all its fighters away, then the battle depends on what the victory does. If it focuses on taking out the venator it probably does, but takes heavy damage or is destroyed by the fighters. If it tries to defend against the fighters, it loses every time. I would say 8.5 times for the venator is a bit generous. Closer to 6.5 or 7 times out of 10 to the venator seems closer to me.
Interesting battle, I always thought they were quite even. Victory is like a semi-Imperial class. It is of similar strength to the senator, but while it is slightly smaller it packs much more firepower. One is a carrier, one is a destroyer, so to speak.
good call on this one
We can liken this engagement to those of WW2 Earth. The large capital ships (battle ships) and cruisers where taken out by fighters and bombers.
So, it stands to reason that the vast amount of fighter support would lend to a victory for the Venator .
You forgot all the missiles and the tendencies for ships to jump in close and duke it out...
The Borg v Planet Earth in 50 years
Its good that you mentioned which was the deciding factor, the Starfighters. But without the starfighters, the Victory 1 would definitely beat a Venator.
Think this one would largely be decided by range. If the Victory opened the engagement at close range where its turbolasers and concussion missiles could catch locks, I think it'd obliterate the Venator before it could get all of its fighters out, and before those fighters could tear into it significantly. If it started at long range, it would be a much larger challenge to deal with the amount of fighters the Venator could dump out, and the Venator could probably kite it until its fighters tore it apart. If it opened close, though, they likely couldn't open the ventral bay without catastrophic damage, and would get torn apart fast. The concussion missiles, in particular, are shown to be VERY nasty in the Rogue Squadron books.
Dan Brown the Venators main turbolaser batteries also have an extreme effective range of 111769438 kilometers, or 10 light minutes, if power is diverted from shields and nonessential systems
I've always called those numbers massively into question, based on just a couple pretty simple observed things: Mainly in that the guns aren't very accurate, given that you see more misses than hits, generally. Also, even if they could *travel* that far, the bolt itself is moving only a few hundred kilometers an hour. It might get there, but unless you've got a target with a really good carbonite-freeze system for the crew or something, I suspect they're going to protest the millions of years the round takes to show up. Maximum range they've been shown to fire, as I recall, for *any* turbolaser weapon system was about 30-40km as I recall, in RotJ.
The other fact worth mentioning is the extremely tough hull of a venator not sure about victory but venators were extremely thick which is why it could take multiple hits from those munificents. Not just the under side but look at the heavily damaged one that couldn't be simply destroyed but a hail of turbo laser fire. For me the venator is probably one of the best if not the best capital ships not just star wars but in sci fit over all.
awesome video keep up the good work your videos are always good
+Manasseh Daughdrill thanks!
I've always wondered.. where is the broadside cannons that we see in episode 3 for the venator?
I think those are the artillery canons we see in the clone wars TV show in battles like christophsis but there just built into the venator and peek through little shield windows
Venator two would have been a better comparison, great video!
You forgot about the a7v Cannons lining the ship
It's all about The situation and the tactics employed.
Good video. i enjoyed it very much and i would be grateful if u did a video on the Providence class vs a imperial class star destroyer.
Eckharts, often do you see a warship target the venators hanger. I don't think the hanger is a problem
YES!!! The Venator is the best! I have an idea for another video. How about the Republic Gunship against the First Order Drop ship?
I just love the look of the venator. Also those fighters tho. Mobile fleet in one.
10 Lucrehulks VS a spinning starfighter
Whenever the Venator fights it goes like this
Ya!? Well I may suck as a capital ship, but taste my fighters!!
An interesting fives list would be best minor faction ships from legends. Things like Minstrel-class space yacht used by the Hutts, Chiss, Hapan, Ssi-ruuvi Imperium and Corporate Authority ships.
The _Andromeda_ was the only Venator-class Star Destroyer that still bearing the red stripe Republic color used by the Rebellion as a diplomatic vessel and mobile base of operations. It housed a bunch of A-wings, X-wings, and Y-wings.
I'd love if someone created a battle simulator where you can plug in the ship stats and then have the simulator run 100 simulated battles and see the results.
I agree,
If I were the commander of the Venator I would keep my distance and launch out of the ventral bay, once the victory's turbo lasers are distracted by 400 star fighters the Venator's turbo and regular laser cannons can - together with the fighters - can rip the victory to shreds
I think a matchup between the First Order TIE fighter and the Imperial TIE fighter would be cool, or maybe a Republic Y-Wing vs a Rebel Y-Wing.
4:57 kinda weird you Cherry pick the fighters last i checked the victory was deployed during the clone wars and would have republic starfighters
Lotta things were weird with this video as I recall.
I agree with your ultimate conclusion, but there is a point that you didn't mention, that I think most of the time turns a somewhat close win for the Venator to a total curb stomp. This is a battle of Battleship vs Carrier + Cruiser. That means that, as long as there is nothing to anchor the Venator in place, they are equally fast (or slow,) and they detect each other beyond mutual range (another place where fighters help,) the Venator never needs to come into range. It can stay out of range indefinitely, and pound the Victory into scrap with fighters. As far as I can tell they can do the same to the Imperial & Imperial II.
curious, you left out one situation, planetary assault. the vsd was greatly suited for planetary assault with it cannons. in the computer game-rebellion, the vsd1 and vsd2 are the best at planetary assault. having 10 of them could take out planetary shield and batteries. please if you havent played rebellion, find a windows 98 or xp computer and try it. lots of vechiles, troop classes and diplomacy missions. also have you done a video in which you compare the troop ships? galleons, star galeons, bulk transports, regular transports. i do like your videos, thanks for helping with the lore and knowledge.
Thanks for this lad, love the review cause the Venator won but won for differnt reasons than what i suggested and, and it was well thought out like the other "not so cut and dry" match ups!
Just stupid suggestion but imperial star destroyer vs Godzilla could be fun as a joke video seeing that Godzilla has the ability to fly and breath in space with his durability of tanking nukes meteors and being able to swim through a volcano and coming out the other side more pissed than anything I don't know just sounds like a fun topic.
Bloody bullet storm obrien Godzilla can fly in space? Can he move around or does he just float in one direction?
Centurion-class Battlecruiser Vs MC80 Home One Star Cruiser
A lot of the fighters and bombers the Venator carries have hyperdrives as well which means it could launch it's fighters one jump off from the Victory class, and let it's bombers do all the work without ever having presented a target.
Hay I hope you see this,the Artillery tank piece in the underbelly of the Venuter is not a common practice,actually from my understanding only 1 captain used it during the clone wars and it was Anakins command ship only!
TIE Intetceptor vs. A-Wing Intetceptor