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Next video will be about the Echoes news, so hopefully that will please you. Had to wait a bit there for some more info to drop, but I could always make more Heroes videos, we'll see.
Sunrise. I would dearly love this series to make a Fire Emblem-esque comeback. I loved Dark Dawn, and it gave me a reason to play the other two. May you rise again, Golden Sun.
One reason why Dark Dawn felt so slow story wise (and why there was way too much talking) is because they spent a lot of time setting up the changes to the world. The fourth game could have benefited from the solid groundwork and would have validated Dark Dawn in retrospect. The whole situation also wouldn't be this bad if they hadn't decided on ending the game on a ridiculously huge cliffhanger.
Maybe im just thinking too deep but i have this nagging suspicion that nintendo may have had something to do with Golden Suns disapperance. I really have SOMEONE makes that sequel and finally takes advantage of the build up from dark dawn
Not gonna lie, nothing makes me more angry then finishing a story driven game (Which I still really enjoyed playing despite its flaws, and have replayed it a couple of times since) only for the game to give you a cliffhanger that undermines the story of the game you just played and then not even give you the sequel that would complete the story.
I still chuckle to myself when I think of the ending as: "Well, we certainly pulled this story full circle. Time to go back home!" (They see the Vortex overtaking their home) "Oh no guys, we forgot about the PLOT HOLE!"
I will always have a small glimmer of hope in the chance that I'll see this series again one day. It means so much to me as a gamer and helped me develop my taste in games and music going forward. #sunrise
Heeey and here I thought I was the only one. Golden Sun did much the same for me get me into my main genre RPG`s and it got me into music too haha and my overall preferred type of music to hear.
I love golden Sun. I grew up playing it on my brothers Advance and bought it myself as soon as I had the money. I still play it today. But I was disapointed with the DS game. the first two had a very clear main quet. And I loved the plottwist that you had to do the exact oposite in the second game. But Dark Dawn wasn't so clear. you get what you wanted in the first place quite early in the gameand the rest just felt like a side quest. The puzzles were too easy and explained in cutscenes. And even the hardest puzzle of the entire game was solved quite easily if you used the mirror. Sometimes I felt like some Psynergy was just there to use one time and you even had to get one character to your party just so you could use the third eye three times. And I didn't liked all the 'machines' - that there weren't any spirits and it was all technology. In the lost age was only one machine; the great gogomba. And even he had a spirit inside. But for me the worst part was the ending. We got home and bam! Vortex and end credits. It just felt too open. Golden Sun had a open ending too, but it was a satisfying ending. We had a ship and set sail. But in Dark Dawn it didn't seem like an end. Just the beginning of another sidequest and I was very confused when it suddenly ended.
Your comment took me back and I definitely agree with everything you've pointed out. Well said! Thanks so much for watching. Hopefully if we ever get another entry it will be more along the vein of the originals.
{And I didn't liked all the 'machines' - that there weren't any spirits and it was all technology.} Under that logic, the lighthouses as "just machines" too, since they have no spirits and broadcast Elemental Psynergy across Weyard. Plus... I dunno about you, but stopping the world from being beset by monsters that attack cities and kill thousands of people seems a touch more important than just finding a Roc's Feather to repair a glider. (The ending being a cliffhanger definitely sucks, though.)
@@piersthemercuryadept5786 Remakes are actually really important to keep classic games accessible. How many kids these days have access to a working GBA? When I was growing up I had no access to an NES, so if there hadn't been a remake of Legend of Zelda for GBA I would have never had a chance to actually experience an incredibly important and influential game from before my time. It seems only right that we do everything we can to preserve these pieces of culture for future generations, and ports/remakes/remasters help with that.
My problem with Dark Dawn was that the story was kinda boring compared to the conflicting two first games. Also, Dark Dawn just felt like a fan fiction game while the first two felt like an epic journey. having the sons look EXACTLY like their parents didn't help either. Where was the originality? Plus, the game was waaaay too easy.
The easiness is definitely my biggest complaint. Even just filming footage of the game for this episode I was SMASHING enemies without a fight. It's pretty boring.
Agreed. Least make the bosses hard lol. The game should've grown up along with it's fanbase. We are all older now, so give us a challenge at least. We've gotten smart believe it or not lol. DD was 100% relying on the nostalgia other than just making a good new golden sun game :( Oh well, let's talk about this again in 17 years when the next game comes out!
I think the problem with Dark Dawn is... it feels like a prologue to a larger story we never got. I think Golden Sun 1 would feel unfinished too without Lost Age.
All too true. Also, what made the first two games so good was because it felt new and exciting, while Dark Dawn felt like it was trying to borrow TOO much from it's predecessor (story-wise, gameplay-wise and character design-wise).
A fourth Golden Sun, even if it's the last to wrap up the story once and for all, is all I ever want. I want to see the whole of the original cast as adults, I want to know who they had children with, I want to know what the deal is with the Tuaparang, and so many other things left unanswered, particularly with the villain's motivations.
Banim I want to see light and dark better integrated into regular Psynergy abilties, and characters that have some actual significance in the final story. Eoleo and Himi were odd choices for party members.
I think I gave up hope when Isaac wasn't made a playable character in Smash 4, not even as DLC, and his assist trophy was one of the few being cut from Brawl.
Yup. For the longest time I was like "Little Mac went from being an assist trophy to playable character, maybe Isaac will too". And as they showed more and more of the game, no Isaac as an assist trophy was shown, and the Isaac supporters got more and more hopeful. And then the full roster was revealed and everyone was let down. Then the DLC announcement, everyone became hopeful again, Isaac did fairly well in the fan polls, we got more and more hopeful, and once again a complete letdown.
I'm there with you, another game that hit hard like that is tales of symphonia. Try that one out, it has basically the same kind of world, all the dungeons and tough puzzles like golden sun, great side quests as well. I've played a few tales games and all have been disappointing compared to it. Highly highly recommend it and if you don't have a GameCube it's on steam for $20 but I see it on sale for $5 90% of the time. I promise you won't be disappointed and it's also one of those games you'll get to the end and don't want it to end haha
not sure why no one has mentioned secret of mana. just dont get the modern one. try to get the original nes version, on an emulator if you have to. Paladin quest is a bit rough, but is still one of the best gems out there obviously, minish cap and link to the past. Romancing Saga. any one of them. Stay AWAY from Radiant Historia, FF7, (unless you have a thing for cringe) and any "remastered" titles, as they're just cash grabs under the guise of GwAfIcS UpGwAdEs. update: tales of symphonia is a port, so expect crashes and other mess. Chrono Cross, a must play. that should be enough of a revive for ya.
@@davidkirk9608 I was going to say that Tales of Zestiria has a few similarities (i.e. th the Seraphim. Also...Mikleo is like a clone of Amiti...blue hair? Check. Water powers? Check. Has a major revelation concerning his past/family later on in the game? Check. He's so oddly similar...which is exactly why I freaking love Amiti...) That's pretty much I mean... Until I read the end of your comment that is...
@@NoMeGusta2526 Tales of Symphonia is also a GC/PS3 game so it's not really that bad. Plus the PS3 Tales of Symphonia is actually a 2 in one (the first game plus the second game with bonus costumes for the characters in the first game and accessories for the two main characters in the second game)
Rip Isaac in Ultimate. The Sun will rise...another day... (edit: Wow, over 70 likes?! I think that's the most I've ever gotten on one comment! I love this series, and will never stop loving it. Don't worry guys, we'll get him in someday...)
I guess it's possible.. But idk I feel like since Isaac was relegated as an assist it's just not a good sign overall. Could be some pushback from the Golden Sun creators
#Sunrise for sure. No JRPG has done more for me than Golden Sun, and that's not just nostalgia talking. While I feel Dark Dawn was not true to its originals in storytelling, it did do quite well in terms of puzzlesolving, battles and challenge. I do not agree that Dark Dawn was less challenging that the other games ( Unless you're counting TLA's Dullahan fight. Nightmare fuel. x_x ) The first two Golden Sun games may just seem more challenging because most of us were much younger when we experienced those battles and puzzles. I definitely remember being completely unable to defeat Saturos and Menardi for a long, long time. And then having my heart drop when they became a God-damned dragon and were so large they had to zoom out the battle camera. But playing Dark Dawn and the original Golden Sun/TLA side to side, Dark Dawn seems to be about the same challenge level over all. In fact, some of the puzzles were even more complex. I feel like Camelot just lacked fanservice in their new game, to be blunt. It felt as though they were trying to sell Golden Sun to a new demographic, not appeal to their fans, and that resulted in some bad review. Most of the characters we grew up loving never made an appearance. In fact they were barely even mentioned. Half of Weyard was not available to explore. In fact almost nothing from the original Golden Sun was around in Dark Dawn. How much more amazing would it have been to a fan to meet more of the original cast. Go to Lemuria, or Prox. Meet descendants, or just older versions of previous characters. See some more of our character ships confirmed. Instead they opted to ignore much of the "Old World" and instead try to create a new one, and frankly, a less interesting one. Camelot could do much better in a new game if they actually tried to make a TRUE SEQUEL to The Lost Age, rather than what almost feels like a spinoff.
I'm not a GS fan, but there are two things I agree with: 1.- The puzzles: In the original, most of them were nothing but "move and push". In The Lost Age, they tried to do something different, but they also brought a LOT of useless psynergy. 2.- The world and characters: For example, I was recently wondering if Passaj is, actually, Altin. If so, how can they remember their glorious ancient past, from THOUSANDS of years ago, yet not mentioning those stone statues that flooded their town, just a THIRD of century ago?
The original Golden Sun did NOT have points of no return in the way that Dark Dawn did. Here and there, there were rooms or areas you couldn't go back to later (most notably sol sanctum), but for the most part, the entire game world stayed available through the ending. Plus, nothing major was missable. The Lost Age was, for the most part, the same way.
@@orinanime Pretty sure there's nothing like that. The only points of no return (which were only the ones in the very beginning of both games) had nothing of actual value to be found, as far as I know. So no unique equipment/djinns.
I think that it's unfair to compare potential Golden Sun remakes to the Zelda remakes on the Wii U. They probably would've sold better if they weren't on a poorly selling console.
Very fair, the Wii U didn't exactly sell well to begin with. I thought about this when I was researching but there wasn't really any other remake I could think of by Nintendo to illustrate the point. As much as we'd like another Golden Sun, even a reboot, I'm just not sure how they would market it to be able to sell millions of units and make it worthwhile. Thanks for watching, though!
I think that a return to form would help, and a release that isn't near the end of a console's life cycle probably would also help. Honestly, though, if the game was good and was playable without needing to play the other games in the series to fully appreciate the game, then I think it would have a good chance to sell well.
Agreed. Honestly though I wouldn't really want a reboot or an alternate universe or anything because I really want to see how things were supposed to play out in the original Weyard... Thinking back, Dark Dawn DID do a lot with the encyclopedia stuff to explain everything to new players. That was a good job, at least.
I think a golden sun 4 would be nice. They should change Psynergy though. They could make a plotline where the psynergy vortexes are making it so the characters can't use psynergy the way they used to. The characters would have to sacrifice hp to do moves in areas by psynergy vortexes.
I loved this series. It was one of the very first GBA game screenshots I saw in a magazine and when I actually played it, I was blown away by the system's ability to produce so many flashy effects.
This just made me sad how much of a good game we lost. I always come back and revisit online to see if there’s new information on content. This is the best I’ve probably heard in years. I’m glad someone did this for us!❤️
I remember spending entire days running up and down the same hallway on a secret island, fighting blue phoenixes for massive xp, to level all 8 chracters to 99. The DS game lost me after a point of no return past where I'd seen a Djinn, too much dialogue to restart, and too little connection with the new characters to keep me going.
I personally loved Dark Dawn, yeah, it was missing things and had flaws, but I took that as something that would happen as a game that would have a second part, like the first game to the second, and I was excited to see what the fourth game would hold.
Senfree well using glitches you can see they built more of the world so I'm guessing they were planning to semi build gs4 in 3 like they did with the first two so unfortunately that may be the only remnants of gs4 that we'll ever see
thats what i figured too, they had the world in a way that said "here is this, but you cant get there" and it had a trailer at the end to foresee something for a future game
Hi, I'm a Fire Emblem fan, and this is a little PSA for the Golden Sun community: Long thought to be a dead series, Fire Emblem finally got its revival back in 2012 with FE Awakening. Now, _while I can agree_ with certain hang-ups with the series these days (like _waifus_ and _bad writing_ ), I feel that too many have let this overshadow what the series has managed to improve upon greatly (*cough* the combat system circa FE Conquest is amazing *cough*). And if there's anything I've learned about Nintendo, it's that _Nintendo is a timid creature, and it scares easily_ . Nothing sends Nintendo packing like a combo of poorly selling games and bad game rep, which I feel Fire Emblem might find itself in again, in the near future. And there won't be third chances. So, Golden Sun fans, a word of caution: *if* and *when* GS4 _finally_ comes out in 2018, enjoy it. And appreciate it. Because, like Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn was for quite some time, it may very well be the last entry of the series you hold so very dear.
Beautiful comment. Thanks so much for watching. Glad to have a viewer that loves both Fire Emblem and Golden Sun! Those are the exact reasons I was worried about Fire Emblem Echoes and wanted to make that first video about it, and it's exactly why I'm glad Dark Dawn exists at all!
I'm with Rinku San. While it's cute that you shared your thoughts. I'm also an FE fan. And it is indeed a different story between the two franchises. Fire Emblem is not a free roam Rpg with big damage numbers. Golden Sun's story is deep and even to its lore. Fire Emblem has not as complex writing and details when compared to GS. FE Fates, even a newer game, could not carry Fire Emblem with such heavy writing. Weapons, Gear, Map, Attack Animations, Summons. There's a lot more work compared to. Cheers tho.
Agree. I did play golden sun 1, and like it. But I didnt like Golden Sun 2 sadly, cuz they change main character. I just couldnt bring myself up to play as main heroine's brother. I did like GGDD its was fun to play. And emojis option is very funny aswell :D What about FE. I cant call myself as fan of FE series. But, I really did play almost in every FE game. And FE:A was my favorite game. And you know what? Try to gyess what's was my favorite game before playing FEA? Ye, Genealogy of holy war. And try to guess, why? Cuz you could marry off characters. And when I learn that FEA will have Avatar unit and you could marry him some for some anime waifus, I was desperate to play. Though, I like idea making Avatar duetagonist. But when they promote Avatar from duetag to protag in Fates, I was kind of disappointed. So, why FEA best for me? First Avatar system. Second Wafus. And third is Dual Audio (I cant play game if there is no japanese voice overs) Sadly, Echoes lacks every concept that I mentioned. I'm gonna miss this game. I maybe gonna sound like a jerk right now, but, I really hope for Ehoes to fail in sales, and maybe they will return to those concepts again. ps. sry for bad grammar.
Thank you for this video, nothing that I didn't already know but it was nice to see all the points again back to back. Golden Sun is my favourite game series ever, my UA-cam channel currently is dedicated to it as well so it goes without saying that I want a 4th game in the series. I agree that Dark Dawn did many things wrong but it did so many things right! The existence of beastmen and civilizations that we didn't visit in TLA are hinted to exist in TLA's script as well, so it can be somehow justified with in game dialogue. As for the sales, yeah DD did pretty mediocre compared to the gba games but is it really hopeless? Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Intelligent Systems aimed for a 600k sale goal to consider Fire Emblem Awakening successful? And their team is much bigger, so why is 780k for Dark Dawn considered so bad? I feel like the reason Camelot is hesitant to make a 4th game are not DD's sales, but the fear of doing even less, that's why they asked for fan support and demand, so they can be sure a 4th game will sell enough. It is clear that Golden Sun as an IP (unfortunately) decreases in fame, so a 4th game would be quite risky for a company to do. But if done good (like Awakening for example) the series will see a 5th game for sure (a man can dream XD)!
Hmmm couldn't they do a kickstarter? This would both serve as an indicator of popularity and demand, as well as financing it; thus allowing them to make the game without as many qualms or worries of bad sales, as their bases are covered already. Just a thought. Btw I enjoyed every aspect of GS1+2's graphics, art direction, combat, psynergy, puzzles and the music was iconic (fav being Venus lighthouse) so for the meantime, release it on the Switch's VC Nintendo!
IIRC the minimum goal for fire emblem not to be completely burried was only 250k. I didn't like DD that much compared to the others, but I still think it was worth. I'd definitely buy a fourth golden sun. But as time goes on I'm surely getting more skeptical about both the chances of seeing a fourth installement and about the potential sales it would make ...
#Sunrise but if Nintendo Smash Bros just gave Issac or Matthew and character slot, the franchise can be saved look at Awakening they got a 50% sale boost after Lucina+Robin being revealed. (also like to mention project X Zone 2 featured chrom and Lucina) Imagine what happened of a GS character had a slot also if GS get another VC port on the switch maybe it can help show that "hey they are still alive somewhere" or maybe a big crossover feature GS can spark interest even for newcomers p.s. I actually like agatio and karst
Lol sorry about that, from what I had seen around online most people felt they weren't as good as Saturos and Menardi. I totally agree though, I really think it was a mistake not having Isaac in the newest smash game. He's not even an assist trophy anymore.. come on. He should have been in there. I definitely think you're right, we may have seen a Golden Sun 4 had he held such a role in SSB4, because as we've seen with Fire Emblem, being featured like that does wonders... so unfortunate. Thanks for watching, though!
Lucky Crit well since i Played the lost age first i liked more Karst than menardi (but Saturos is the best) but yes we need Isaac in smash, FE come to the western with Marth and Roy in melee. Kid icarus gainned a new game after Pit in brawl, so if Isaac appears on smash switch, the golden sun will rise again
i really hope they create a new golden sun game or at least add isaac or matthew to smash the game is so unknown to even some of the biggest nintendo fans thats probably one of the major reasons it hasnt sold too well and with smash basically being a game of advertisements it wouldnt be the worst decision for golden sun
Sveta and Himi would be cool, I think. Or even Ivan, Piers, Sheba, or Felix. Sheba was my favorite because I loved her character design, the others are just cool characters in general.
#Sunrise Dude.... you really made me break out the water works for this video. Golden Sun is my absolute favourite video game franchises. And what's funny enough is that everything that was mentioned as a problem in Dark Dawn, my nephew and I have been saying that all the time. In fact, even though we loved the reintroduction into the series, my nephew and I both agree that the game felt "lazy", from the soundtracks, to the pacing of the battle and in a game that's meant to be open world, why even have points of no return anymore, especially these days. Everytime there is a Nintendo Direct, we eagerly sit waiting and praying for news of another Golden Sun. We cling on to every last strand of hope and faith that one day the Golden Sun will rise again.
I think the series needs a reboot, it's been several years since the first game, I think it can easily hook the new generation if the game is well developed and fully functional. Like Awakening from Fire Emblem was supposed to be the last FE game, but it brought the series back to life. Echoes was a great reboot but still needed work, overall it was a great refinement, but still needs that good old polish. Just imagine if GS could pull off a fully polished game, it might have the potential to bring life to a great yet dying series.
Ugh, I want a new Golden Sun so bad, loads of great concepts. I'm hoping so hard they add Isaac(or Felix) to Smash Switch, maybe that could help push a sequel.
The place he's referring to is Anemos Inner Sanctum in Contigo. Only accessible by possessing all 72 djinn, 2 of which required the 6-page transfer data code
Well I guess most people used guides to get all djinns. I didnt even find and fight deadbeard from the first game. Just grinded the last tower for wonder birds. GS 1 and 2 is in my top 5 of all games
I come back to this video every so often to give me hope for the series. It truly is a shame they aren't doing more with it, especially considering the success of most recent RPG's (Octopath Traveler and Persona 5 to name a few.) I can't help but feel that Nintendo has *SOMETHING* planned for this franchise. Look at the renewed trademark for it last year. Maybe we might hear about it at E3 later this year yeah? Just like E3 2009, they could blow us Golden Sun fans away by announcing a remaster, or even Golden Sun 4. I'm praying we get something. Golden Sun with Switch graphics? Sign me up.
Honestly, you're talking about everything that the fans didn't like about the game. This is a perfect oppurtunity for camelot to make the 4th game considering how much feedback they're getting. As a long time fan of the series, I'm still praying for a golden sun 4.
Currently playing The Lost Age again. So many memories on this franchise, I wouldn't mind a port to the switch that combined the original 2 games into 1
Thinking about an HD remake of the original games on the switch would be amazing. Since it looks like the Switch will do better than the Wii U, I'm hoping that a new game or reboot could help with the series popularity.
I'm sure it definitely would... and if they plan on adding even more characters to the switch port of SSB4, (maybe unlikely) they better consider putting in Isaac. What Smash Bros did for Fire Emblem in the west was incredible. Having Isaac in there would definitely spark some life back into Golden Sun.. Here's hoping. Thanks for watching!
Zejety true. Dark Dawns visuals we okay, (the summons looked amazing for the time though) but I feel that the gba games had a style that can't be replicated. I felt that Dark Dawn's visuals were trying to hard to be like the originals. I think they would need to rework the style a bit.
79% is not a bad score at all, people should remember this. I know the video did not say that but many people fall into that train of thought. Also this video points out how this is a great example of continuing a game series, but keeping it from improving and growing by making too much of the same.
Yeah, from a review perspective the game was pretty much fine, but audience reception is really what kills Dark Dawn, and sales, but they've never been good at advertising these games and they picked an awful time to release Dark Dawn too. If they waited and added some cheesy 3D, it could have been a HUGE launch title for the 3DS...
Never heard about Golden Sun until my recent Game Boy craze just a few months ago. I wish I heard about this game before, but it was at a time where I wasn't too much interested in Game Boys. I have an SP now. I'm playing the first Golden Sun these days, and I'm impressed. Can't wait to continue with The Lost Age!
I love them all, too. It was so nice to see the series on DS. Wish we had gotten the sequel though. I'd be much better with the series dying if the fourth game had come out and the plot was wrapped up decently at least
@@lucky_crit Im playing again the last one, and also looking for similar games to play when i finish, but i can´t find any game that full all my expectations. There is a "before/after" from the Golden sun Saga. I tried Dragon Quest XI, but is not the same. Dragon Quest has better Graphics, is a litle more inmersive, but is not Golden Sun.
I thought it was mentioned in TLA that there were many civilizations that existed but after the Lighthouses sealed the Golden Sun, all the alchemy of the world was being draining and they were all destroyed. Then with the Golden Sun explosion, all the lost civilizations returned in Dark Dawn
I also grew up with the GBA and i played both golden sun and lost age from about 10 years old to 25 yrs. i love these games and they need to come back.
I was introduced to Golden Sun in 2012 with Dark Dawn, and boy did I love it. Being 8 years old, I didn't mind many of the flaws or lack of difficulty in the game. But now...I'm 14. It's been 6 years and I have been sorely disappointed with the fact there has been no new game. All I want is a sequel. Lets be honest: not many people say "OH YEAH A NEW MARIO SPORTS GAME!" I'm convinced Camelot just doesn't want to make a new one at this point. That or they're just waiting until there is a riot. I miss the series, and with all the mysteries with Blados and The Zenith Clan, or with the cliffhanger ending, I want one last game to explain everything.
I got dark dawn when I was in kindergarten in 2011 and it was super fun. I was really young so I didn’t even know how to get into Ayuthay. Took me about a year to beat dullahan but I still play the game to this day.
I was 15 years old when i had the first golden sun game in the year 2001 and now i still have the lost age, with box and all the booklets in almost perfect shape and it inspired me to begin supernatural mental studios and do something similar to psynergy, i was still a youngster back then but i worked my ass hard to open my third eye, i finally felt like a true adept. I don´t train it anymore but a bit of the feelings remained with me forever and man, i am a master at some techniques i developed
Kids, play the original 2 ones. You'll love it even more than DD and at least will get a little backstory. (not rly since DD changed a huge lot but still...)
I got into playing the first 2 by my uncle, and we spent time that way. I loved it from the beginning and am still strong with Isaac for smash, despite the small number of fans
Golden Sun and FF Tactics Advence isvtwo of my most favorite Nintendo games, and both left me wanting more. I really hope I can play Golden Sun in Switch, even if it's a reboot or something. Thank you for the video though, it's really informative ^^ Sunrise!
Sunrise Smash is the key. The same thing that happened to Golden Sun happened to Mother and Fire Emblem. Just because of the participation of Roy, Marth and Ness, Fire Embem and Mother series were able to continue (in case of Mother, just for a game more but anyway). I wish that Sakurai would consider it. Conclusion: Isaac HAS to be in Smash.
Hello again, past me, and #Sunrise to you too. HCBailly is doing a LP marathon of the first two games, so I should probably get on my own marathon as well.
Would be interesting to see remastered versions of the first two games or a GS game based on the perspective of Felix in the first game and Isaac in the second game.
Also, there's a reason that the Zelda remakes didn't do well: They were rather pointless. If you look at remakes of older games, it makes sense- technology has changed and allowed them to do things better than they could on the more limited hardware... Granted, technology is still advancing, but... There's really not much that modern games can do that games on the GameCube couldn't. And in the end, the changes ended up being incredibly minor... Even moreso for Twilight Princess. A fully reworked remake of Golden Sun and Lost Age for the 3DS as a single title- and a single coherent world- could work wonderfully. As for the dialogue, it wasn't he fact that there was more of it that was a problem, it was that the dialogue suffered heavily from Bioware syndrome: The dialogue often did nothing to develop the plot, nothing to develop the characters, and continuously repeated information the players already knew. More dialogue could have worked if there was a point to it, if it felt like we were learning more about the characters or the world around them- but the fact of the matter is, it simply didn't. Also, sunrise because the maker of the video specifically asked to be trolled by people repeating one word mindlessly...
Very good points! I have noticed while going over the dialogue that the complaints people have about them over-explaining simple concepts are DEFINITELY there. But I will say that I also feel Dark Dawn was hoping to appeal to a new generation of players too, so maybe they aimed a little younger. They definitely did a great job explaining all the story beats of the original games within the game's encyclopedia, though. Thanks for checking out the video!
They sold "well", but they sold less than the original versions of their respective games. And considering the growth of the population as a whole as well as the gaming community, if they had sold proportionately, they would have sold more absolutely, not less.
Sunrise. I still believe that Golden Sun franchise will come over the horizon and I also believe that either Felix or Issac's son Matthew has a chance at DLC in Super Smash Bros Ultimate. Issac didn't make it as a Fighter but I still have faith. #Matthew4Smash #Felix4Smash
yea. let us get to fight Alex in his own lighthouse that he was attempting to gather all the stars and combine them there. or possibly he manages to collect them all we have to defeat him with the power of all 4 stars combined.. idk just hopeful thinking lol
Man the music in the gba golden sun was so good I used to go into the sound player to listen to the it with my gba sp closed. I would leave my CD player behind to listen to it. It was so good.
Oh wow, i randomly teared up when i heard the Golden Sun music. I went through so much emotion as a child when playing it. I captured the issues of Dark dawn very well. I'll try to give my 2 cents without too mich spoiler, in case there are still people that plan on palying the dark dawn. I give the game, that it started out very strong and promising. The leaving of the hut made sense (thanks Tyrell) albeit it felt lke Garet and Isaac pushed their kids a bit out of the nest. The meeting with Kraden (although i was slightly annoyed that i had to listen to the rambling of that old coot again, the guy talks way too much) revealed new possible story-elements that we have to go behind. A real mistery... to be forgotten throughout the ENTIRE game. Only at the end, it sttopped with a huge cliffhanger that the problem is still there and most likely bigger than before. But it was nowhere apparent in the rest of the game. If the developers would have put some random happenings related to it in the game, maybe have KRaden study it a bit, theorize but ultimatively not quite coming to a close due to having more pressing matters storywhise, i'd have accepted those things. I was bothered by the whole bunch of new civilisations as well. You can't just build an entire palace including a maybe 6-7 stories dungeon beneath it within 30 years annd claim that they've been around for forever. But to the characters. There was a distinct issue with the importance of certain characters. You had your starting crew, that was pretty much the exact same than your GS-Starting crew, except that Tyrell felt even more stupid than Garet and Karis.. felt like she should have been Jennas daughter and not Ivans? (Srsly, it felt like a more bitchy Jenny recolor) Rief.. existed. That's sadly about it. For the more interesting row.. The new Earth Adept could also have been an Item. Some story to get her and then she was never mentioned again. The newer Wind-Adept was as an idea alreight, maybe a bit ambitioned, but she felt way too op and for no apparent reason too important. Generally was the cast way too underdeveloped in characterisation. Generally, the game left a really bad taste in my mouth and i really wish for a rework of it or a redeeming 4th game.
Am I the only one who found the intro-stage of Dark Dawn to be insufferably boring and infuriatingly offensive? The characters would keep repeating themselves over and over again. My grandmother suffered from Alzheimers and I kid you not, these characters had the same talking patterns as a patient with dementia. "Oh hey, so and so flew away with the contraption! He won't be able to control it without knowing wind magic, but he doesn't know wind magic! Without the knowledge of wind magic, he will surely be doomed. After all, he needs to know wind magic to control the contraption! I hope he's okay. He must be over in the wilds. We should look for him! After all, he's going to get himself killed if he doesn't know how to protect himself. If only he knew wind magic, we wouldn't have to worry. But, alas, only those who know wind magic can control the contraption! I'm sure he's in the wilds though so we'll go..." SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY! I haven't touched the game in so long, I forgot the specifics of the beginning, but it went something like that.
NoNameC68 This this this Oh My God!! The entire game was linear, but they still held your hand the entire way, with long unskippable cutscenes of the characters trying to decide what path to take, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS ONLY ONE POSSIBLE PATH. I ragequit the game multiple times because this was so irritating. I also personally thought they made the battle system worse, by not allowing you to assign moves to characters that they couldn't currently do, despite the fact that they WOULD be able to do them when their turn came around. So frustrating. Sunrise?
The only thing I agree is the part where they make unskippable tutorials. I got GSDD when I was in kindergarten so I actually need it. But I’m in 7th grade now and I still like to replay the game but if only you could skip it. Also they don’t repeat themselves as much as you say they do. Yeah they talk too much but they don’t repeat. They just talk ALOT. Also the camera movements make it longer a bit. imo GSDD was actually a pretty good game. It sucks you didnt complete it. The table turns once the grave eclipse happens. A lot of people die. Briggs, Hou Zan, everyone in Kaocho, everyone in Champa except for Obaba.
I don't know why this game gets so much flack for the dialogue. The first two games were a lot like this. I guarantee you can pick some conversation from the original and Lost Age that were just as repetitive and mind-numbing
I loved the Golden Sun series, the magic system and world felt unique, the Djinn were amazing in their own right, and I am very curious as to where the story could go, I really do hope that Golden Sun will reappear, and it makes me sad that I lost my DS with my copy of Dark Dawn, as I would have loved to complete it. #sunrise
I only recently got into Golden Sun from seeing Issac from Super Smash Flash 2. I liked his design and how he plays(One of my favorite characters in the game), so I decided to see what his games are like. When I saw videos and then emulated Golden Sun(I never got a lot of games for my GBA), I knew I was having fun and I like the story. I'm not done with the first game yet but after doing research, I saw that there was only 3 games and a 4th one wasn't made in a while. That's why i'm here. I didn't even know about this stuff last year but now that I know that I love this game, it's sad that there are not that much games because RPGs are my favorite types of games, and Golden Sun might be one of my favorite ones. #Sunrise
SUNRISE! Camelot needs to release a Golden Sun Trilogy package for the switch, allowing you to carry over your save to the sequel on the same cartridge. Then they need to work on the 4th installment if that one sells well enough. That, or remake the games from the ground up with better mechanics.
honestly though, Octopath Traveller looks like a perfect replacement if we don't get a new golden sun. Octopath Traveller and FE Warriors are the system sellers for me.
Honestly, some franchises just dont need to become franchises. GS was planned as a singular game. Some games end where they do; dont beg the developers to wring out story where they didnt intend for it to be. Otherwise you get yearly installments where its clear the writers ran out of ideas
I was a passionate Golden Sun fan in my teen years. I constantly kept up with any info regarding the series even if it was just the Takahashi brothers being asked in an interview about a third game in the series. For several years they said they had ideas but didn't know if it would ever happen, but that if it did they wanted to put in the time and effort to make it perfect for the fans. I remember screaming and crying tears of joy when Dark Dawn was announced during the live E3 conference. I remember pestering my gamestop over and over with calls because they didn't get their shipment of the game until after launch day. I soon got the game and reveled in it. This was what I had been waiting so many long years for. Or so I thought. I consider myself a decent writer, at least a good enough one to be able to deconstruct and understand story elements well. And I felt like the characters and story of Dark Dawn were just really mediocre. I wanted to like the characters and writing and lore and everything so bad but things were just so bland. And finally when the story seemed like it was getting interesting, the game ended. Without giving me the one thing that I, as a big fan of the original two games, wanted in the first place out of a sequel--the satisfaction of kicking Alex's ass after he practically became a demigod in GS2. He just strings you along and toys with you with his new lackeys in Dark Dawn and then it ends without any real payoff in that respect. Plus a really cheap, uninspired cliffhanger. I remember having hope that we'd get a fourth game and that this was just the prologue to it like GS1 was to GS2. But then I remember that they were pretty much just one game--one script--split in half because of the lack of cartridge space. But this was different. There was soon an interview asking about a potential GS4 and the Takahashi bros were like "I dunno...we'd need a lot of time to think and figure out what happens next..." and this answer alone made me lose all faith. Dark Dawn WASN'T intended to be the prologue for a second game they had in mind. They didn't plan on doing more at all unless the game sold beyond their expectations. And it was kind of inevitable that it wouldn't. If you do a little research, it's also easy to find that Golden Sun is mostly just popular in the west. The sales of the series were never that great in Japan. And Dark Dawn sold abysmally in both regions from what I saw. The Takahashi bros paraded around saying they were planning on making GS3 the perfect sequel for years but just gave us something so mediocre and half-assed when it really came down to it. And I don't even know that I want a sequel anymore considering how bad GS3 was in retrospect. I've moved on. And you probably should too if you're still hoping and praying for a fourth game.
The map song on Golden sun 2 after you finish the Jupiter lighthouse is my favorite. Walking forward with determination. So Good, Every time i hear it it takes me back to when i was a kid and heard it for the first time
+Megalex, Advance Wars' gameplay was revived in an entirely different game, so sadly, I can see Golden Sun undergoing a similar fate. Lately, we've had tons of recreations of past fan favorite games. F-Zero, Advance Wars and plenty more were doomed for rather dumb reasons, cause those games did not deserve the hammer since they were so popular.
Isaac's super smash move finisher HAS to be judgment from summoning venus djinn from the games, that was by far my favorite move to use because of the cutsecene being so epic
Solanum X Imagine if the final smash played out this long ass animation in the background and took 10 seconds to reach the stage, that would be fucking epic
Sunrise. Making Isaac a playable character in Smash would definitely help to bring Golden Sun to people's attention, generate some hype and new fans in the lead up to releasing a brand new Golden Sun.
I would say, though, that this is Nintendo we're on about- never put it past them pulling a rabbit out of the hat. Kid Icarus got another game after about 20 years, Nintendo funded Bayonetta 2 when the original wasn't even on a Nintendo system when it came out thus they didn't have any favours, Fire Emblem managed to get over to the west after being out in Japan for 20 years when they figured out that having character in a medieval western setting would actually go down pretty well in the west... For better and worse, I'd never underestimate Nintendo when it comes to something like this.
Thanks for that trip full of nostalgia! WE NEED a GS reboot (in order to stablish a new era and then finally reach to the sequels we all deserve (not that dark dawn one -not the worst, but definetly not that good-) #GoldenSunNeedToShine2019
sunrise! yes, it certainly pains to admit that chances of another golden sun title are slim but in any case, thank you for the inspiring video. After all this time it definitely reinvoked my nostalgia and love for the franchise ever so slightly.
My favorite is still the lost age The soundtrack is amazing The battles are great Great Puzzles There was one time at Airs howl i never saved it and i went back in square one
I would legit be happy with a port to Switch with polished sprites and sound, and integrated save/password support between 1 & 2. No big overhaul, just a spitshine. I'd drop $30-$40 for that.
Sunrise! I would really love to see another Golden Sun game. I played the first Golden Sun back in 2002 a year after it was released and I was 10, I loved these games so much! Now I'm 27 and Im just finding out of a community of speedrunners who run this game and its so cool to see people and meet people who are just as insanely in love with these games. I would LOVE to see a 4th installment.
I miss Golden Sun so much. I will buy a switch just for Golden Sun if it ever gets a new release. Especially if they are willing to do a Golden Sun themed switch bundle. That would be on the top of my buying list.
The lore, world building and exploration is what made the original Golden Sun games so good, there is a lot of potential in the series, but Camelot kind of botched the Dark Dawn. Hopefully Nintendo can resurrect this IP because it could have a lot of appeal like Zelda does with proper resources behind it.
If they are gonna add a Dark Dawn char, Karis is a better choice, Matthew is just a clone of his dad and still worse in every way. I wanna see 1 for every element. Isaac, Jenna, Karis, and Alex.
I am a little younger so i grew up with dark dawn and loved it. It is a good game and it was my first RPG I had ever seen. I now look back on the story that I didn't understand and it opened up a different experience.
You absolutely can. Babi is the one who gives you the Cloak Ball, which is necessary to go through Lunpa near the beginning of the game. There are also djinn in Vale that you can't get until later in the game. There are checkpoints where you can't go back initially, but by the end of the game you can go back to all the previous locations.
You guys are right! Thanks for the heads up. For some reason I was thinking in GS1 you can't go back to Tobi after the Babi events and colosso, and a few other things like crossing the sea and the Kraken battle, but I'm actually mistaken. There is however a point of no return near the end of the game in Lalivero.
The only point of no return in GS1 is at the top of Venus Lighthouse, ie: initiating the final boss. You can backtrack all the way to Vale if you want to, as long as you don't slide down that one last crevasse. (Sunrise!)
Sunrise! Great vid, you really explored the differences between the games well. For me, the main problem with Dark Dawn was it's railroaded story. In DD, it felt like the progression of the game was very linear, like running don a corridor. In TLA, the world felt huge and dynamic, and the path ahead wasn't always clear. This openness gives a real sense of adventure imo. In TLA, the world felt real,and you were thrust in it, whereas in Dark Dawn, the world felt like it was there to suit your story. That's my to cents though, the series is still my favourite RPG and I did love Dark Dawn.
Sunrise. The original Golden Sun was one of the best games I've ever played. That moment after hours of fighting and navigating traps when you finally get in Venus lighthouse proper and the music kicks in. Just incredible. Loved it.
Sunrise. I really liked the GBA games but I did skip out on the DS title. Considering how long it's been I'm not too optimistic about the odds of a new golden sun game. It's a shame since we never got to fight Alex. I think the proper question though is; Will we get a Golden Sun 4 at all?
Definitely a very good question. I think it would have been great to see Isaac as a playable character in the new smash bros, and the fact that he wasn't, is saddening. I think if that had happened perhaps more people would want new golden sun games. I definitely agree, Alex is my favorite character which I why I enjoyed one particular plotline of Dark Dawn, but yes, I REALLY want to see where they would have taken him as a character in future sequels (at the very least I know they had more planned out for a GS4 and I really want to know what it was). Thanks so much for watching though!
We won't get a Golden Sun 4. Golden Sun 3 needs to be redone. Don't go to their children. There's still so much in between that needs to be done. Also, why does everyone speak so differently in the new one? The team that put the first two games together needs to be reunited. Part of why Golden Sun 1 & 2 flow so well together is because it was originally meant to be a single game, but the Gameboy Cartridges couln't hold that much data.
There may still be a chance, if DLC returns. Sakurai did say we shouldn't expect to see too many new characters, but I'm praying if they put in just 2 or 3 more, Issac is one of them. Or at the very least, add in some tracks from the game, or the venus lighthouse as a stage
Yeah, I'm with you guys. Give me more Golden Sun goodness! I only played Dark Dawn once ,but the Gameboy originals draw me back every few years because even for their age, they still hold up against modern-day games.
Thank you so much for checking out today's episode! If you'd like to see more nostalgic content like this you can be sure to check out our FIRST EVER video on this channel where we discuss Monster Rancher Battle Card!
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Next video will be about the Echoes news, so hopefully that will please you. Had to wait a bit there for some more info to drop, but I could always make more Heroes videos, we'll see.
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Sunrise. I would dearly love this series to make a Fire Emblem-esque comeback. I loved Dark Dawn, and it gave me a reason to play the other two. May you rise again, Golden Sun.
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I just want Golden Sun back.
Me too. Part of me hopes the Takahashi brothers come across this video at some point :)
One reason why Dark Dawn felt so slow story wise (and why there was way too much talking) is because they spent a lot of time setting up the changes to the world. The fourth game could have benefited from the solid groundwork and would have validated Dark Dawn in retrospect. The whole situation also wouldn't be this bad if they hadn't decided on ending the game on a ridiculously huge cliffhanger.
#MakeGoldenSunGreatAgain
Maybe im just thinking too deep but i have this nagging suspicion that nintendo may have had something to do with Golden Suns disapperance. I really have SOMEONE makes that sequel and finally takes advantage of the build up from dark dawn
So do we all
No matter what happens I'll always live golden sun for being possibly the best jrpg I've ever played
That's the crazy thing though, I don't think it was a JRPG. I think it was made here in the US, right? It sold far more copies here, anyways.
I beat deadbeard last night. I was so surprised when he actually died
The creators were Hiroyuki Takahashi and Shugo Takahashi. It's a jrpg.
#Sunrise
I wouldn't want GS4 so bad, if there wasn't the Cliffhanger.
Yeah, exactly. It really seemed like they must have had a lot of planning done for the next game. That's what's the most painful.
suddenly isaac looks holes into the sky.. creating black holes! end of story.. thats how bored isaac is :DD
Not gonna lie, nothing makes me more angry then finishing a story driven game (Which I still really enjoyed playing despite its flaws, and have replayed it a couple of times since) only for the game to give you a cliffhanger that undermines the story of the game you just played and then not even give you the sequel that would complete the story.
I still chuckle to myself when I think of the ending as:
"Well, we certainly pulled this story full circle. Time to go back home!"
(They see the Vortex overtaking their home)
"Oh no guys, we forgot about the PLOT HOLE!"
lll fff right?
2019 and still no news for a new Goldensun game :(
2020 and waiting for the Nintendo Direct coming shortly, hope dies last!
@@first-law-fantasyabercromb7308 we can just hope
There is that new trademark from last year who knows...
Maybe we will meet them again some sunny day... :'(
March 2021 and still no news
That moment Golden Sun comes back, Ill be in my room crying if you need me.
"I'm hoping some day the Golden Sun will rise again" bringing tears to my eyes please stop with this
I will always have a small glimmer of hope in the chance that I'll see this series again one day. It means so much to me as a gamer and helped me develop my taste in games and music going forward. #sunrise
Heeey and here I thought I was the only one. Golden Sun did much the same for me get me into my main genre RPG`s and it got me into music too haha and my overall preferred type of music to hear.
It's the same for me pal, I'm 27 but when I discovered the games at 15 I'm still in love with the story and the music...
I love golden Sun. I grew up playing it on my brothers Advance and bought it myself as soon as I had the money. I still play it today. But I was disapointed with the DS game. the first two had a very clear main quet. And I loved the plottwist that you had to do the exact oposite in the second game. But Dark Dawn wasn't so clear. you get what you wanted in the first place quite early in the gameand the rest just felt like a side quest. The puzzles were too easy and explained in cutscenes. And even the hardest puzzle of the entire game was solved quite easily if you used the mirror.
Sometimes I felt like some Psynergy was just there to use one time and you even had to get one character to your party just so you could use the third eye three times.
And I didn't liked all the 'machines' - that there weren't any spirits and it was all technology. In the lost age was only one machine; the great gogomba. And even he had a spirit inside.
But for me the worst part was the ending. We got home and bam! Vortex and end credits. It just felt too open. Golden Sun had a open ending too, but it was a satisfying ending. We had a ship and set sail. But in Dark Dawn it didn't seem like an end. Just the beginning of another sidequest and I was very confused when it suddenly ended.
Your comment took me back and I definitely agree with everything you've pointed out. Well said! Thanks so much for watching. Hopefully if we ever get another entry it will be more along the vein of the originals.
Sessy Fuchs I loved the first one :o Past more than 3 years on it :') the memories... playing Child of Light now...
Sessy Fuchs the lighthouses were machines
{And I didn't liked all the 'machines' - that there weren't any spirits and it was all technology.}
Under that logic, the lighthouses as "just machines" too, since they have no spirits and broadcast Elemental Psynergy across Weyard.
Plus... I dunno about you, but stopping the world from being beset by monsters that attack cities and kill thousands of people seems a touch more important than just finding a Roc's Feather to repair a glider.
(The ending being a cliffhanger definitely sucks, though.)
The reason Issac is not a fighter in Smash is the same reason why Waluigi is not a fighter. There both made by Camelot
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Oh fuck. This is a revelation. Let's hope Garet or Ivan get in
How awesome would it be if they remade the first 2 golden sun on switch in 3D?
why fans want always the first game of a series to be remade over and over and over and over and over and over and.....?¿?¿?¿?
Piers The Mercury Adept Because the first games were on a 32bit GBA and I wanna see these amazing games in 1080pHD xD
Not awesome at all, the first two games are amazing, really, they don't need a remaster
I actually love Sprite work. It would be neat to have golden sun 1&2 reworked with similar details to something like Octopath Traveler.
@@piersthemercuryadept5786 Remakes are actually really important to keep classic games accessible. How many kids these days have access to a working GBA?
When I was growing up I had no access to an NES, so if there hadn't been a remake of Legend of Zelda for GBA I would have never had a chance to actually experience an incredibly important and influential game from before my time. It seems only right that we do everything we can to preserve these pieces of culture for future generations, and ports/remakes/remasters help with that.
My problem with Dark Dawn was that the story was kinda boring compared to the conflicting two first games. Also, Dark Dawn just felt like a fan fiction game while the first two felt like an epic journey. having the sons look EXACTLY like their parents didn't help either. Where was the originality? Plus, the game was waaaay too easy.
The easiness is definitely my biggest complaint. Even just filming footage of the game for this episode I was SMASHING enemies without a fight. It's pretty boring.
Agreed. Least make the bosses hard lol. The game should've grown up along with it's fanbase. We are all older now, so give us a challenge at least. We've gotten smart believe it or not lol. DD was 100% relying on the nostalgia other than just making a good new golden sun game :( Oh well, let's talk about this again in 17 years when the next game comes out!
I think the problem with Dark Dawn is... it feels like a prologue to a larger story we never got.
I think Golden Sun 1 would feel unfinished too without Lost Age.
All too true. Also, what made the first two games so good was because it felt new and exciting, while Dark Dawn felt like it was trying to borrow TOO much from it's predecessor (story-wise, gameplay-wise and character design-wise).
the main 4 party members were also like the same as their parents personality wise
A fourth Golden Sun, even if it's the last to wrap up the story once and for all, is all I ever want. I want to see the whole of the original cast as adults, I want to know who they had children with, I want to know what the deal is with the Tuaparang, and so many other things left unanswered, particularly with the villain's motivations.
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Banim I want to see light and dark better integrated into regular Psynergy abilties, and characters that have some actual significance in the final story. Eoleo and Himi were odd choices for party members.
I think I gave up hope when Isaac wasn't made a playable character in Smash 4, not even as DLC, and his assist trophy was one of the few being cut from Brawl.
Yeah, it was exciting to see it be cut (as if they were doing something else with him) then heartbreaking to see he wasn't playable.
Yup. For the longest time I was like "Little Mac went from being an assist trophy to playable character, maybe Isaac will too". And as they showed more and more of the game, no Isaac as an assist trophy was shown, and the Isaac supporters got more and more hopeful. And then the full roster was revealed and everyone was let down. Then the DLC announcement, everyone became hopeful again, Isaac did fairly well in the fan polls, we got more and more hopeful, and once again a complete letdown.
And we're all sad he's an assist trophy... Again :(
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Aye, same. Try Radiant Historia too if you enjoyed CTrigger. Maybe FF6. After these, nothing else made me feel like a kid again.
I'm there with you, another game that hit hard like that is tales of symphonia. Try that one out, it has basically the same kind of world, all the dungeons and tough puzzles like golden sun, great side quests as well. I've played a few tales games and all have been disappointing compared to it. Highly highly recommend it and if you don't have a GameCube it's on steam for $20 but I see it on sale for $5 90% of the time. I promise you won't be disappointed and it's also one of those games you'll get to the end and don't want it to end haha
not sure why no one has mentioned secret of mana. just dont get the modern one. try to get the original nes version, on an emulator if you have to.
Paladin quest is a bit rough, but is still one of the best gems out there
obviously, minish cap and link to the past.
Romancing Saga. any one of them.
Stay AWAY from Radiant Historia, FF7, (unless you have a thing for cringe) and any "remastered" titles, as they're just cash grabs under the guise of GwAfIcS UpGwAdEs.
update: tales of symphonia is a port, so expect crashes and other mess.
Chrono Cross, a must play.
that should be enough of a revive for ya.
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I was going to say that Tales of Zestiria has a few similarities (i.e. th the Seraphim. Also...Mikleo is like a clone of Amiti...blue hair? Check. Water powers? Check. Has a major revelation concerning his past/family later on in the game? Check. He's so oddly similar...which is exactly why I freaking love Amiti...)
That's pretty much I mean...
Until I read the end of your comment that is...
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Tales of Symphonia is also a GC/PS3 game so it's not really that bad.
Plus the PS3 Tales of Symphonia is actually a 2 in one (the first game plus the second game with bonus costumes for the characters in the first game and accessories for the two main characters in the second game)
Rip Isaac in Ultimate. The Sun will rise...another day... (edit: Wow, over 70 likes?! I think that's the most I've ever gotten on one comment! I love this series, and will never stop loving it. Don't worry guys, we'll get him in someday...)
:'(
I still can't believe he got shafted in favor of Piranha Plant...
Yeah that's literally the dumbest character they could have went with lol
@@lucky_crit yeah... Still, DLC is on the way. I get the feeling that Sakurai knows we want him. Maybe they'll give us Felix or Matthew instead?
I guess it's possible.. But idk I feel like since Isaac was relegated as an assist it's just not a good sign overall. Could be some pushback from the Golden Sun creators
#Sunrise for sure. No JRPG has done more for me than Golden Sun, and that's not just nostalgia talking.
While I feel Dark Dawn was not true to its originals in storytelling, it did do quite well in terms of puzzlesolving, battles and challenge. I do not agree that Dark Dawn was less challenging that the other games ( Unless you're counting TLA's Dullahan fight. Nightmare fuel. x_x ) The first two Golden Sun games may just seem more challenging because most of us were much younger when we experienced those battles and puzzles.
I definitely remember being completely unable to defeat Saturos and Menardi for a long, long time. And then having my heart drop when they became a God-damned dragon and were so large they had to zoom out the battle camera.
But playing Dark Dawn and the original Golden Sun/TLA side to side, Dark Dawn seems to be about the same challenge level over all. In fact, some of the puzzles were even more complex.
I feel like Camelot just lacked fanservice in their new game, to be blunt. It felt as though they were trying to sell Golden Sun to a new demographic, not appeal to their fans, and that resulted in some bad review. Most of the characters we grew up loving never made an appearance. In fact they were barely even mentioned. Half of Weyard was not available to explore.
In fact almost nothing from the original Golden Sun was around in Dark Dawn. How much more amazing would it have been to a fan to meet more of the original cast. Go to Lemuria, or Prox. Meet descendants, or just older versions of previous characters. See some more of our character ships confirmed.
Instead they opted to ignore much of the "Old World" and instead try to create a new one, and frankly, a less interesting one. Camelot could do much better in a new game if they actually tried to make a TRUE SEQUEL to The Lost Age, rather than what almost feels like a spinoff.
try breath of fire.
Sez - you are absolutely correct. That was a very well-written and well thought out analysis of Dark Dawn
I'm not a GS fan, but there are two things I agree with:
1.- The puzzles: In the original, most of them were nothing but "move and push". In The Lost Age, they tried to do something different, but they also brought a LOT of useless psynergy.
2.- The world and characters: For example, I was recently wondering if Passaj is, actually, Altin. If so, how can they remember their glorious ancient past, from THOUSANDS of years ago, yet not mentioning those stone statues that flooded their town, just a THIRD of century ago?
The original Golden Sun did NOT have points of no return in the way that Dark Dawn did. Here and there, there were rooms or areas you couldn't go back to later (most notably sol sanctum), but for the most part, the entire game world stayed available through the ending. Plus, nothing major was missable. The Lost Age was, for the most part, the same way.
I remember there being Djinn that you could miss. Especially near the beginning.
@@orinanime Pretty sure there's nothing like that. The only points of no return (which were only the ones in the very beginning of both games) had nothing of actual value to be found, as far as I know. So no unique equipment/djinns.
@@Rewyn09 i just started replaying GS 2 weeks ago. And re-reading a strategy guide.
You can definitely miss early Djinn.
I know because I did.
@@orinanime I replayed it a few months ago, which ones did you miss?
@@Rewyn09 kite during the vale/sol sanctum prologue
I think that it's unfair to compare potential Golden Sun remakes to the Zelda remakes on the Wii U. They probably would've sold better if they weren't on a poorly selling console.
Very fair, the Wii U didn't exactly sell well to begin with. I thought about this when I was researching but there wasn't really any other remake I could think of by Nintendo to illustrate the point. As much as we'd like another Golden Sun, even a reboot, I'm just not sure how they would market it to be able to sell millions of units and make it worthwhile. Thanks for watching, though!
I think that a return to form would help, and a release that isn't near the end of a console's life cycle probably would also help. Honestly, though, if the game was good and was playable without needing to play the other games in the series to fully appreciate the game, then I think it would have a good chance to sell well.
Agreed. Honestly though I wouldn't really want a reboot or an alternate universe or anything because I really want to see how things were supposed to play out in the original Weyard... Thinking back, Dark Dawn DID do a lot with the encyclopedia stuff to explain everything to new players. That was a good job, at least.
I think a golden sun 4 would be nice. They should change Psynergy though. They could make a plotline where the psynergy vortexes are making it so the characters can't use psynergy the way they used to. The characters would have to sacrifice hp to do moves in areas by psynergy vortexes.
LeonFirestrike That console selling poorly was the whole reason they made those reboots ... sell more consoles via nostalgia.
I loved this series. It was one of the very first GBA game screenshots I saw in a magazine and when I actually played it, I was blown away by the system's ability to produce so many flashy effects.
This just made me sad how much of a good game we lost. I always come back and revisit online to see if there’s new information on content. This is the best I’ve probably heard in years. I’m glad someone did this for us!❤️
I remember spending entire days running up and down the same hallway on a secret island, fighting blue phoenixes for massive xp, to level all 8 chracters to 99. The DS game lost me after a point of no return past where I'd seen a Djinn, too much dialogue to restart, and too little connection with the new characters to keep me going.
Lol same!
I personally loved Dark Dawn, yeah, it was missing things and had flaws, but I took that as something that would happen as a game that would have a second part, like the first game to the second, and I was excited to see what the fourth game would hold.
Senfree well using glitches you can see they built more of the world so I'm guessing they were planning to semi build gs4 in 3 like they did with the first two so unfortunately that may be the only remnants of gs4 that we'll ever see
thats what i figured too, they had the world in a way that said "here is this, but you cant get there" and it had a trailer at the end to foresee something for a future game
It's 2022 and I still want a new Golden Sun game
Putting a comment here in the form of prayer for a new game, I still love this series so much.
Hi, I'm a Fire Emblem fan, and this is a little PSA for the Golden Sun community:
Long thought to be a dead series, Fire Emblem finally got its revival back in 2012 with FE Awakening. Now, _while I can agree_ with certain hang-ups with the series these days (like _waifus_ and _bad writing_ ), I feel that too many have let this overshadow what the series has managed to improve upon greatly (*cough* the combat system circa FE Conquest is amazing *cough*).
And if there's anything I've learned about Nintendo, it's that _Nintendo is a timid creature, and it scares easily_ . Nothing sends Nintendo packing like a combo of poorly selling games and bad game rep, which I feel Fire Emblem might find itself in again, in the near future. And there won't be third chances.
So, Golden Sun fans, a word of caution: *if* and *when* GS4 _finally_ comes out in 2018, enjoy it. And appreciate it.
Because, like Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn was for quite some time, it may very well be the last entry of the series you hold so very dear.
Beautiful comment. Thanks so much for watching. Glad to have a viewer that loves both Fire Emblem and Golden Sun! Those are the exact reasons I was worried about Fire Emblem Echoes and wanted to make that first video about it, and it's exactly why I'm glad Dark Dawn exists at all!
Ehh... FE is different though. There's been at least 1 FE every 3 years. It's also a longer series than GS.
I'm with Rinku San.
While it's cute that you shared your thoughts. I'm also an FE fan. And it is indeed a different story between the two franchises. Fire Emblem is not a free roam Rpg with big damage numbers. Golden Sun's story is deep and even to its lore. Fire Emblem has not as complex writing and details when compared to GS. FE Fates, even a newer game, could not carry Fire Emblem with such heavy writing. Weapons, Gear, Map, Attack Animations, Summons. There's a lot more work compared to.
Cheers tho.
FE always had waifus, just like how Golden Sun has always been mediocre.
Agree.
I did play golden sun 1, and like it. But I didnt like Golden Sun 2 sadly, cuz they change main character. I just couldnt bring myself up to play as main heroine's brother.
I did like GGDD its was fun to play. And emojis option is very funny aswell :D
What about FE. I cant call myself as fan of FE series. But, I really did play almost in every FE game. And FE:A was my favorite game.
And you know what? Try to gyess what's was my favorite game before playing FEA? Ye, Genealogy of holy war. And try to guess, why? Cuz you could marry off characters.
And when I learn that FEA will have Avatar unit and you could marry him some for some anime waifus, I was desperate to play.
Though, I like idea making Avatar duetagonist. But when they promote Avatar from duetag to protag in Fates, I was kind of disappointed.
So, why FEA best for me?
First Avatar system.
Second Wafus.
And third is Dual Audio (I cant play game if there is no japanese voice overs)
Sadly, Echoes lacks every concept that I mentioned. I'm gonna miss this game.
I maybe gonna sound like a jerk right now, but, I really hope for Ehoes to fail in sales, and maybe they will return to those concepts again.
ps. sry for bad grammar.
Thank you for this video, nothing that I didn't already know but it was nice to see all the points again back to back.
Golden Sun is my favourite game series ever, my UA-cam channel currently is dedicated to it as well so it goes without saying that I want a 4th game in the series. I agree that Dark Dawn did many things wrong but it did so many things right!
The existence of beastmen and civilizations that we didn't visit in TLA are hinted to exist in TLA's script as well, so it can be somehow justified with in game dialogue.
As for the sales, yeah DD did pretty mediocre compared to the gba games but is it really hopeless? Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Intelligent Systems aimed for a 600k sale goal to consider Fire Emblem Awakening successful? And their team is much bigger, so why is 780k for Dark Dawn considered so bad?
I feel like the reason Camelot is hesitant to make a 4th game are not DD's sales, but the fear of doing even less, that's why they asked for fan support and demand, so they can be sure a 4th game will sell enough.
It is clear that Golden Sun as an IP (unfortunately) decreases in fame, so a 4th game would be quite risky for a company to do.
But if done good (like Awakening for example) the series will see a 5th game for sure (a man can dream XD)!
Hmmm couldn't they do a kickstarter? This would both serve as an indicator of popularity and demand, as well as financing it; thus allowing them to make the game without as many qualms or worries of bad sales, as their bases are covered already. Just a thought.
Btw I enjoyed every aspect of GS1+2's graphics, art direction, combat, psynergy, puzzles and the music was iconic (fav being Venus lighthouse) so for the meantime, release it on the Switch's VC Nintendo!
IIRC the minimum goal for fire emblem not to be completely burried was only 250k.
I didn't like DD that much compared to the others, but I still think it was worth. I'd definitely buy a fourth golden sun. But as time goes on I'm surely getting more skeptical about both the chances of seeing a fourth installement and about the potential sales it would make ...
#Sunrise
but if Nintendo Smash Bros just gave Issac or Matthew and character slot, the franchise can be saved look at Awakening they got a 50% sale boost after Lucina+Robin being revealed. (also like to mention project X Zone 2 featured chrom and Lucina) Imagine what happened of a GS character had a slot also if GS get another VC port on the switch maybe it can help show that "hey they are still alive somewhere"
or maybe a big crossover feature GS can spark interest even for newcomers
p.s. I actually like agatio and karst
Lol sorry about that, from what I had seen around online most people felt they weren't as good as Saturos and Menardi. I totally agree though, I really think it was a mistake not having Isaac in the newest smash game. He's not even an assist trophy anymore.. come on. He should have been in there. I definitely think you're right, we may have seen a Golden Sun 4 had he held such a role in SSB4, because as we've seen with Fire Emblem, being featured like that does wonders... so unfortunate. Thanks for watching, though!
Lucky Crit well since i Played the lost age first i liked more Karst than menardi (but Saturos is the best) but yes we need Isaac in smash, FE come to the western with Marth and Roy in melee. Kid icarus gainned a new game after Pit in brawl, so if Isaac appears on smash switch, the golden sun will rise again
that was the main reason why i voted for isaac in the fighter's ballot
Praise the Golden Sun!!
This is so true.
This was really good, man. Well written and succinct!
2019 boiz , still praying for gs4
We will
it's just another great videogame series that is being wasted by nothing being done with it
Amen.
Yeah. Like the recent Silent Hills. :(
i really hope they create a new golden sun game
or at least add isaac or matthew to smash
the game is so unknown to even some of the biggest nintendo fans
thats probably one of the major reasons it hasnt sold too well
and with smash basically being a game of advertisements
it wouldnt be the worst decision for golden sun
cretinousGuide I'll take anyone from the series
Issac/Jenna > Karis > Matthew
Lets hope we get better representation than Matthew.
Sveta and Himi would be cool, I think. Or even Ivan, Piers, Sheba, or Felix. Sheba was my favorite because I loved her character design, the others are just cool characters in general.
Assist trophy
#Sunrise Dude.... you really made me break out the water works for this video. Golden Sun is my absolute favourite video game franchises. And what's funny enough is that everything that was mentioned as a problem in Dark Dawn, my nephew and I have been saying that all the time. In fact, even though we loved the reintroduction into the series, my nephew and I both agree that the game felt "lazy", from the soundtracks, to the pacing of the battle and in a game that's meant to be open world, why even have points of no return anymore, especially these days. Everytime there is a Nintendo Direct, we eagerly sit waiting and praying for news of another Golden Sun. We cling on to every last strand of hope and faith that one day the Golden Sun will rise again.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think the series needs a reboot, it's been several years since the first game, I think it can easily hook the new generation if the game is well developed and fully functional. Like Awakening from Fire Emblem was supposed to be the last FE game, but it brought the series back to life. Echoes was a great reboot but still needed work, overall it was a great refinement, but still needs that good old polish. Just imagine if GS could pull off a fully polished game, it might have the potential to bring life to a great yet dying series.
BlackDragon41 l it would be nice to give more personality to the main characters
Ugh, I want a new Golden Sun so bad, loads of great concepts. I'm hoping so hard they add Isaac(or Felix) to Smash Switch, maybe that could help push a sequel.
If u never got all djinns and went into the sol sanctum I feel bad for yall
I think he meant the OTHER sanctum where you can get Iris after the Superboss
The place he's referring to is Anemos Inner Sanctum in Contigo. Only accessible by possessing all 72 djinn, 2 of which required the 6-page transfer data code
Well I guess most people used guides to get all djinns. I didnt even find and fight deadbeard from the first game. Just grinded the last tower for wonder birds. GS 1 and 2 is in my top 5 of all games
Fck I never fully completed Golden Sun.
@@CarnagexSena me too the last boss just cheated by healing every turn
I come back to this video every so often to give me hope for the series. It truly is a shame they aren't doing more with it, especially considering the success of most recent RPG's (Octopath Traveler and Persona 5 to name a few.)
I can't help but feel that Nintendo has *SOMETHING* planned for this franchise. Look at the renewed trademark for it last year. Maybe we might hear about it at E3 later this year yeah? Just like E3 2009, they could blow us Golden Sun fans away by announcing a remaster, or even Golden Sun 4. I'm praying we get something. Golden Sun with Switch graphics? Sign me up.
a modern reboot would be amazing on my switch! doesn't even have to be AAA graphics. i liked the 2D style better than DD.
I could see it even being a sort of painterly style, like how the original games were on the GBA.
The no outline stylw is really epic
Honestly, you're talking about everything that the fans didn't like about the game. This is a perfect oppurtunity for camelot to make the 4th game considering how much feedback they're getting. As a long time fan of the series, I'm still praying for a golden sun 4.
Currently playing The Lost Age again. So many memories on this franchise, I wouldn't mind a port to the switch that combined the original 2 games into 1
Thinking about an HD remake of the original games on the switch would be amazing. Since it looks like the Switch will do better than the Wii U, I'm hoping that a new game or reboot could help with the series popularity.
I'm sure it definitely would... and if they plan on adding even more characters to the switch port of SSB4, (maybe unlikely) they better consider putting in Isaac. What Smash Bros did for Fire Emblem in the west was incredible. Having Isaac in there would definitely spark some life back into Golden Sun.. Here's hoping. Thanks for watching!
The Pokemaster I don't know if they'll be able to recreate the amazing spritework in 3D though
This is most definitely my nostalgia speaking but I love the old visuals.
Zejety true. Dark Dawns visuals we okay, (the summons looked amazing for the time though) but I feel that the gba games had a style that can't be replicated. I felt that Dark Dawn's visuals were trying to hard to be like the originals. I think they would need to rework the style a bit.
Lucky Crit lol smash ruined fire emblem games all of them since path of radiance have been garbage just straight trash
I NEED GOLDEN SUN ON THE SWITCH!!! T_T
It would be nice :|
#metoo
79% is not a bad score at all, people should remember this. I know the video did not say that but many people fall into that train of thought.
Also this video points out how this is a great example of continuing a game series, but keeping it from improving and growing by making too much of the same.
Yeah, from a review perspective the game was pretty much fine, but audience reception is really what kills Dark Dawn, and sales, but they've never been good at advertising these games and they picked an awful time to release Dark Dawn too. If they waited and added some cheesy 3D, it could have been a HUGE launch title for the 3DS...
Never heard about Golden Sun until my recent Game Boy craze just a few months ago. I wish I heard about this game before, but it was at a time where I wasn't too much interested in Game Boys. I have an SP now. I'm playing the first Golden Sun these days, and I'm impressed. Can't wait to continue with The Lost Age!
Golden Sun games are the best. I love all of them.. even the last one, i replayed twice..
I love them all, too. It was so nice to see the series on DS. Wish we had gotten the sequel though. I'd be much better with the series dying if the fourth game had come out and the plot was wrapped up decently at least
@@lucky_crit Im playing again the last one, and also looking for similar games to play when i finish, but i can´t find any game that full all my expectations.
There is a "before/after" from the Golden sun Saga. I tried Dragon Quest XI, but is not the same. Dragon Quest has better Graphics, is a litle more inmersive, but is not Golden Sun.
I thought it was mentioned in TLA that there were many civilizations that existed but after the Lighthouses sealed the Golden Sun, all the alchemy of the world was being draining and they were all destroyed. Then with the Golden Sun explosion, all the lost civilizations returned in Dark Dawn
I also grew up with the GBA and i played both golden sun and lost age from about 10 years old to 25 yrs. i love these games and they need to come back.
I was introduced to Golden Sun in 2012 with Dark Dawn, and boy did I love it. Being 8 years old, I didn't mind many of the flaws or lack of difficulty in the game. But now...I'm 14. It's been 6 years and I have been sorely disappointed with the fact there has been no new game. All I want is a sequel. Lets be honest: not many people say "OH YEAH A NEW MARIO SPORTS GAME!" I'm convinced Camelot just doesn't want to make a new one at this point. That or they're just waiting until there is a riot. I miss the series, and with all the mysteries with Blados and The Zenith Clan, or with the cliffhanger ending, I want one last game to explain everything.
I got dark dawn when I was in kindergarten in 2011 and it was super fun. I was really young so I didn’t even know how to get into Ayuthay. Took me about a year to beat dullahan but I still play the game to this day.
I was 15 years old when i had the first golden sun game in the year 2001 and now i still have the lost age, with box and all the booklets in almost perfect shape and it inspired me to begin supernatural mental studios and do something similar to psynergy, i was still a youngster back then but i worked my ass hard to open my third eye, i finally felt like a true adept. I don´t train it anymore but a bit of the feelings remained with me forever and man, i am a master at some techniques i developed
Kids, play the original 2 ones. You'll love it even more than DD and at least will get a little backstory. (not rly since DD changed a huge lot but still...)
I got into playing the first 2 by my uncle, and we spent time that way. I loved it from the beginning and am still strong with Isaac for smash, despite the small number of fans
You are just a rat kid :')
This video is 5 years old... The sun has still yet to shine
Golden Sun and FF Tactics Advence isvtwo of my most favorite Nintendo games, and both left me wanting more. I really hope I can play Golden Sun in Switch, even if it's a reboot or something. Thank you for the video though, it's really informative ^^
Sunrise!
Sunrise
Smash is the key.
The same thing that happened to Golden Sun happened to Mother and Fire Emblem.
Just because of the participation of Roy, Marth and Ness, Fire Embem and Mother series were able to continue (in case of Mother, just for a game more but anyway).
I wish that Sakurai would consider it.
Conclusion: Isaac HAS to be in Smash.
I'd love to see the whole cast, Isaac Garet Ivan Mia Felix Jenna Piers and Sheba
RIP
JabbaWabba that leak was fake afff
Aaaaand he's still a trophy... ;_;
"Sunrise"
And now I want to marathon all three games again.
Hello again, past me, and #Sunrise to you too.
HCBailly is doing a LP marathon of the first two games, so I should probably get on my own marathon as well.
Would be interesting to see remastered versions of the first two games or a GS game based on the perspective of Felix in the first game and Isaac in the second game.
Tysm for saving the spoilers. I JUST found Golden Sun. And i love it. Golden sun. Was far ahead of its time for a gba came
I wish it was more famous. Me and my younger brother get bothered by that a lot. I loved the characters the story. All of it
Smash bros ultimate: EVERYONE IS HEEEEERE!
*shows multiple game titles*
me: *looks for golden sun*
me: *cries*
181k ppl are crying with you as well... :'(
Shadow and Isaac deserve a spot,sonic is in game so issac deserves rhe spot more.
We were on the verge of greatness with the venus lighthouse for brawl
Also, there's a reason that the Zelda remakes didn't do well: They were rather pointless. If you look at remakes of older games, it makes sense- technology has changed and allowed them to do things better than they could on the more limited hardware... Granted, technology is still advancing, but... There's really not much that modern games can do that games on the GameCube couldn't. And in the end, the changes ended up being incredibly minor... Even moreso for Twilight Princess.
A fully reworked remake of Golden Sun and Lost Age for the 3DS as a single title- and a single coherent world- could work wonderfully.
As for the dialogue, it wasn't he fact that there was more of it that was a problem, it was that the dialogue suffered heavily from Bioware syndrome: The dialogue often did nothing to develop the plot, nothing to develop the characters, and continuously repeated information the players already knew. More dialogue could have worked if there was a point to it, if it felt like we were learning more about the characters or the world around them- but the fact of the matter is, it simply didn't.
Also, sunrise because the maker of the video specifically asked to be trolled by people repeating one word mindlessly...
Very good points! I have noticed while going over the dialogue that the complaints people have about them over-explaining simple concepts are DEFINITELY there. But I will say that I also feel Dark Dawn was hoping to appeal to a new generation of players too, so maybe they aimed a little younger. They definitely did a great job explaining all the story beats of the original games within the game's encyclopedia, though. Thanks for checking out the video!
MarioFanaticXV ???? zelda remakes are still best sellers
They sold "well", but they sold less than the original versions of their respective games. And considering the growth of the population as a whole as well as the gaming community, if they had sold proportionately, they would have sold more absolutely, not less.
the wii u also not selling as well as the wii or GameCube contributed to their lower sales, at least I think so
MarioFanaticXV thanks for calling that dialogue out. My tolerance for tutorials is anorexic, let alone exposition
Sunrise.
I still believe that Golden Sun franchise will come over the horizon and I also believe that either Felix or Issac's son Matthew has a chance at DLC in Super Smash Bros Ultimate. Issac didn't make it as a Fighter but I still have faith. #Matthew4Smash
#Felix4Smash
I'm still keeping hope for a fourth Golden Sun. The series is easily in my top favorites and a conclusion to the story would be really nice.
Agreed! Thanks for watching.
yea. let us get to fight Alex in his own lighthouse that he was attempting to gather all the stars and combine them there. or possibly he manages to collect them all we have to defeat him with the power of all 4 stars combined.. idk just hopeful thinking lol
Man the music in the gba golden sun was so good I used to go into the sound player to listen to the it with my gba sp closed. I would leave my CD player behind to listen to it. It was so good.
Oh wow, i randomly teared up when i heard the Golden Sun music. I went through so much emotion as a child when playing it.
I captured the issues of Dark dawn very well. I'll try to give my 2 cents without too mich spoiler, in case there are still people that plan on palying the dark dawn.
I give the game, that it started out very strong and promising. The leaving of the hut made sense (thanks Tyrell) albeit it felt lke Garet and Isaac pushed their kids a bit out of the nest. The meeting with Kraden (although i was slightly annoyed that i had to listen to the rambling of that old coot again, the guy talks way too much) revealed new possible story-elements that we have to go behind. A real mistery... to be forgotten throughout the ENTIRE game. Only at the end, it sttopped with a huge cliffhanger that the problem is still there and most likely bigger than before. But it was nowhere apparent in the rest of the game. If the developers would have put some random happenings related to it in the game, maybe have KRaden study it a bit, theorize but ultimatively not quite coming to a close due to having more pressing matters storywhise, i'd have accepted those things.
I was bothered by the whole bunch of new civilisations as well. You can't just build an entire palace including a maybe 6-7 stories dungeon beneath it within 30 years annd claim that they've been around for forever.
But to the characters. There was a distinct issue with the importance of certain characters. You had your starting crew, that was pretty much the exact same than your GS-Starting crew, except that Tyrell felt even more stupid than Garet and Karis.. felt like she should have been Jennas daughter and not Ivans? (Srsly, it felt like a more bitchy Jenny recolor) Rief.. existed. That's sadly about it. For the more interesting row.. The new Earth Adept could also have been an Item. Some story to get her and then she was never mentioned again. The newer Wind-Adept was as an idea alreight, maybe a bit ambitioned, but she felt way too op and for no apparent reason too important. Generally was the cast way too underdeveloped in characterisation.
Generally, the game left a really bad taste in my mouth and i really wish for a rework of it or a redeeming 4th game.
Am I the only one who found the intro-stage of Dark Dawn to be insufferably boring and infuriatingly offensive? The characters would keep repeating themselves over and over again. My grandmother suffered from Alzheimers and I kid you not, these characters had the same talking patterns as a patient with dementia.
"Oh hey, so and so flew away with the contraption! He won't be able to control it without knowing wind magic, but he doesn't know wind magic! Without the knowledge of wind magic, he will surely be doomed. After all, he needs to know wind magic to control the contraption! I hope he's okay. He must be over in the wilds. We should look for him! After all, he's going to get himself killed if he doesn't know how to protect himself. If only he knew wind magic, we wouldn't have to worry. But, alas, only those who know wind magic can control the contraption! I'm sure he's in the wilds though so we'll go..." SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!
I haven't touched the game in so long, I forgot the specifics of the beginning, but it went something like that.
NoNameC68 This this this Oh My God!! The entire game was linear, but they still held your hand the entire way, with long unskippable cutscenes of the characters trying to decide what path to take, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS ONLY ONE POSSIBLE PATH. I ragequit the game multiple times because this was so irritating.
I also personally thought they made the battle system worse, by not allowing you to assign moves to characters that they couldn't currently do, despite the fact that they WOULD be able to do them when their turn came around. So frustrating.
Sunrise?
The only thing I agree is the part where they make unskippable tutorials. I got GSDD when I was in kindergarten so I actually need it. But I’m in 7th grade now and I still like to replay the game but if only you could skip it. Also they don’t repeat themselves as much as you say they do. Yeah they talk too much but they don’t repeat. They just talk ALOT. Also the camera movements make it longer a bit. imo GSDD was actually a pretty good game. It sucks you didnt complete it. The table turns once the grave eclipse happens. A lot of people die. Briggs, Hou Zan, everyone in Kaocho, everyone in Champa except for Obaba.
I needed it since it was my first golden sun game and I still adore it on its own merits, it's a shame the fans of the first two games hate it so much
OMG YES,I ended up hating Hans and Garet.And also…WHERE THE FUCK WAS MAH BOY FELIX?He deserved to appear
I don't know why this game gets so much flack for the dialogue. The first two games were a lot like this. I guarantee you can pick some conversation from the original and Lost Age that were just as repetitive and mind-numbing
I loved the Golden Sun series, the magic system and world felt unique, the Djinn were amazing in their own right, and I am very curious as to where the story could go, I really do hope that Golden Sun will reappear, and it makes me sad that I lost my DS with my copy of Dark Dawn, as I would have loved to complete it. #sunrise
I only recently got into Golden Sun from seeing Issac from Super Smash Flash 2. I liked his design and how he plays(One of my favorite characters in the game), so I decided to see what his games are like. When I saw videos and then emulated Golden Sun(I never got a lot of games for my GBA), I knew I was having fun and I like the story. I'm not done with the first game yet but after doing research, I saw that there was only 3 games and a 4th one wasn't made in a while. That's why i'm here. I didn't even know about this stuff last year but now that I know that I love this game, it's sad that there are not that much games because RPGs are my favorite types of games, and Golden Sun might be one of my favorite ones. #Sunrise
They should make a whole new golden sun in this universe. Make it 1000 years in the future or something.
SUNRISE!
Camelot needs to release a Golden Sun Trilogy package for the switch, allowing you to carry over your save to the sequel on the same cartridge. Then they need to work on the 4th installment if that one sells well enough. That, or remake the games from the ground up with better mechanics.
honestly though, Octopath Traveller looks like a perfect replacement if we don't get a new golden sun. Octopath Traveller and FE Warriors are the system sellers for me.
Wasn't quite sure what you were referring to but now that I looked it up again I can recall seeing footage, looks great! Can't wait for that, either!
Well, I don't blame you. Good video by the way. Your content is very well made for such a small channel.
Thank you so much for checking it out!
Man, getting Golden Sun on switch would be incredible!!
Honestly, some franchises just dont need to become franchises. GS was planned as a singular game. Some games end where they do; dont beg the developers to wring out story where they didnt intend for it to be. Otherwise you get yearly installments where its clear the writers ran out of ideas
I was a passionate Golden Sun fan in my teen years. I constantly kept up with any info regarding the series even if it was just the Takahashi brothers being asked in an interview about a third game in the series. For several years they said they had ideas but didn't know if it would ever happen, but that if it did they wanted to put in the time and effort to make it perfect for the fans. I remember screaming and crying tears of joy when Dark Dawn was announced during the live E3 conference. I remember pestering my gamestop over and over with calls because they didn't get their shipment of the game until after launch day. I soon got the game and reveled in it. This was what I had been waiting so many long years for. Or so I thought.
I consider myself a decent writer, at least a good enough one to be able to deconstruct and understand story elements well. And I felt like the characters and story of Dark Dawn were just really mediocre. I wanted to like the characters and writing and lore and everything so bad but things were just so bland. And finally when the story seemed like it was getting interesting, the game ended. Without giving me the one thing that I, as a big fan of the original two games, wanted in the first place out of a sequel--the satisfaction of kicking Alex's ass after he practically became a demigod in GS2. He just strings you along and toys with you with his new lackeys in Dark Dawn and then it ends without any real payoff in that respect. Plus a really cheap, uninspired cliffhanger.
I remember having hope that we'd get a fourth game and that this was just the prologue to it like GS1 was to GS2. But then I remember that they were pretty much just one game--one script--split in half because of the lack of cartridge space. But this was different. There was soon an interview asking about a potential GS4 and the Takahashi bros were like "I dunno...we'd need a lot of time to think and figure out what happens next..." and this answer alone made me lose all faith. Dark Dawn WASN'T intended to be the prologue for a second game they had in mind. They didn't plan on doing more at all unless the game sold beyond their expectations. And it was kind of inevitable that it wouldn't. If you do a little research, it's also easy to find that Golden Sun is mostly just popular in the west. The sales of the series were never that great in Japan. And Dark Dawn sold abysmally in both regions from what I saw.
The Takahashi bros paraded around saying they were planning on making GS3 the perfect sequel for years but just gave us something so mediocre and half-assed when it really came down to it. And I don't even know that I want a sequel anymore considering how bad GS3 was in retrospect. I've moved on. And you probably should too if you're still hoping and praying for a fourth game.
These games had some of the best music scores of any Gameboy game in my opinion
The map song on Golden sun 2 after you finish the Jupiter lighthouse is my favorite.
Walking forward with determination. So Good, Every time i hear it it takes me back to when i was a kid and heard it for the first time
What about Super Smash Bros. Won't Isaac ever be in that first? I don't care what those polls said, Isaac was definitely in the top five.
We can't say for certain, but I'm highly certain Isaac was one of the highest ranking Nintendo owned characters
I'm sure too he was top 5. And i hope they got the message from all the Golden Sun fans. To include him in a next Smash and continue the franchise.
+Megalex, Advance Wars' gameplay was revived in an entirely different game, so sadly, I can see Golden Sun undergoing a similar fate.
Lately, we've had tons of recreations of past fan favorite games. F-Zero, Advance Wars and plenty more were doomed for rather dumb reasons, cause those games did not deserve the hammer since they were so popular.
Isaac's super smash move finisher HAS to be judgment from summoning venus djinn from the games, that was by far my favorite move to use because of the cutsecene being so epic
Solanum X Imagine if the final smash played out this long ass animation in the background and took 10 seconds to reach the stage, that would be fucking epic
Sunrise. Golden sun is an amazing game and I truly would be happy to see a sequel for it. Anyways, amazing video and well done editing.
Me too... hopefully we'll be lucky enough to get one someday. Thanks so much for watching!
#MakeGoldenSunGreatAgain
I miss this game😔
Sunrise, still one of my favs. Really would like a 4th game,
or a reboot into a modern console.
Sunrise. Making Isaac a playable character in Smash would definitely help to bring Golden Sun to people's attention, generate some hype and new fans in the lead up to releasing a brand new Golden Sun.
I hope they make a new entry. Sunrise.
Me too. Hopefully someday :\ Thanks so much for watching!
I would say, though, that this is Nintendo we're on about- never put it past them pulling a rabbit out of the hat. Kid Icarus got another game after about 20 years, Nintendo funded Bayonetta 2 when the original wasn't even on a Nintendo system when it came out thus they didn't have any favours, Fire Emblem managed to get over to the west after being out in Japan for 20 years when they figured out that having character in a medieval western setting would actually go down pretty well in the west...
For better and worse, I'd never underestimate Nintendo when it comes to something like this.
Flip a coin I guess...or roll a dice. 20 years later it might show up. Well...I guess we'll never get to play as Saturos or Alex. Probably.
Thanks for that trip full of nostalgia! WE NEED a GS reboot (in order to stablish a new era and then finally reach to the sequels we all deserve (not that dark dawn one -not the worst, but definetly not that good-)
#GoldenSunNeedToShine2019
This game is very majestic and i never stopping playing this and i play it over again
sunrise! yes, it certainly pains to admit that chances of another golden sun title are slim but in any case, thank you for the inspiring video. After all this time it definitely reinvoked my nostalgia and love for the franchise ever so slightly.
My favorite is still the lost age
The soundtrack is amazing
The battles are great
Great Puzzles
There was one time at Airs howl i never saved it and i went back in square one
June 2020 apocalypse is upon us, still no sunrise...... plz nintendo bring us the sun!
I would legit be happy with a port to Switch with polished sprites and sound, and integrated save/password support between 1 & 2. No big overhaul, just a spitshine. I'd drop $30-$40 for that.
Sunrise!
I would really love to see another Golden Sun game. I played the first Golden Sun back in 2002 a year after it was released and I was 10, I loved these games so much! Now I'm 27 and Im just finding out of a community of speedrunners who run this game and its so cool to see people and meet people who are just as insanely in love with these games. I would LOVE to see a 4th installment.
I miss Golden Sun so much. I will buy a switch just for Golden Sun if it ever gets a new release. Especially if they are willing to do a Golden Sun themed switch bundle. That would be on the top of my buying list.
The lore, world building and exploration is what made the original Golden Sun games so good, there is a lot of potential in the series, but Camelot kind of botched the Dark Dawn. Hopefully Nintendo can resurrect this IP because it could have a lot of appeal like Zelda does with proper resources behind it.
It would have been amazing to see another GS as a Switch Launch title or something :(
Waiting for Nintendo to add Isaac and co. to Smash Bros.
Yes exactly!
Honestly if they put Issac and Matthew, a few trophies, and maybe even a stage in Smash Bros Golden Sun would be revived easily.
Yep, but will they? .... :l
If they are gonna add a Dark Dawn char, Karis is a better choice, Matthew is just a clone of his dad and still worse in every way. I wanna see 1 for every element. Isaac, Jenna, Karis, and Alex.
I'm so fond of this series, I want to see it back
I am a little younger so i grew up with dark dawn and loved it. It is a good game and it was my first RPG I had ever seen. I now look back on the story that I didn't understand and it opened up a different experience.
in the first golden sun you can backtrack to get all the digins in the first golden sun
Are you sure? I'm fairly certain after certain events like with Babi and such that you can no longer go all the back around the continent.
You absolutely can. Babi is the one who gives you the Cloak Ball, which is necessary to go through Lunpa near the beginning of the game. There are also djinn in Vale that you can't get until later in the game. There are checkpoints where you can't go back initially, but by the end of the game you can go back to all the previous locations.
You guys are right! Thanks for the heads up. For some reason I was thinking in GS1 you can't go back to Tobi after the Babi events and colosso, and a few other things like crossing the sea and the Kraken battle, but I'm actually mistaken. There is however a point of no return near the end of the game in Lalivero.
Lucky Crit A shame really
It'd be nice to go back and explore, maybe get some farewell cutscenes
The only point of no return in GS1 is at the top of Venus Lighthouse, ie: initiating the final boss. You can backtrack all the way to Vale if you want to, as long as you don't slide down that one last crevasse. (Sunrise!)
Isaac... I just don't see why he could've been in... Im still not giving up! Isaac for ultimate! Or Felix or Matthew.
Felix might be DLC, but my money is on never fuckin' ever. And we'll be waiting probably forever for a GS4.
#sunrise I would love to see another Golden Sun dark dawn was good but left alot to be desired
Sunrise!
Great vid, you really explored the differences between the games well.
For me, the main problem with Dark Dawn was it's railroaded story. In DD, it felt like the progression of the game was very linear, like running don a corridor. In TLA, the world felt huge and dynamic, and the path ahead wasn't always clear. This openness gives a real sense of adventure imo.
In TLA, the world felt real,and you were thrust in it, whereas in Dark Dawn, the world felt like it was there to suit your story.
That's my to cents though, the series is still my favourite RPG and I did love Dark Dawn.
Sunrise. The original Golden Sun was one of the best games I've ever played. That moment after hours of fighting and navigating traps when you finally get in Venus lighthouse proper and the music kicks in. Just incredible. Loved it.
Sunrise.
I really liked the GBA games but I did skip out on the DS title. Considering how long it's been I'm not too optimistic about the odds of a new golden sun game. It's a shame since we never got to fight Alex.
I think the proper question though is; Will we get a Golden Sun 4 at all?
Definitely a very good question. I think it would have been great to see Isaac as a playable character in the new smash bros, and the fact that he wasn't, is saddening. I think if that had happened perhaps more people would want new golden sun games. I definitely agree, Alex is my favorite character which I why I enjoyed one particular plotline of Dark Dawn, but yes, I REALLY want to see where they would have taken him as a character in future sequels (at the very least I know they had more planned out for a GS4 and I really want to know what it was). Thanks so much for watching though!
We won't get a Golden Sun 4. Golden Sun 3 needs to be redone. Don't go to their children. There's still so much in between that needs to be done. Also, why does everyone speak so differently in the new one? The team that put the first two games together needs to be reunited. Part of why Golden Sun 1 & 2 flow so well together is because it was originally meant to be a single game, but the Gameboy Cartridges couln't hold that much data.
There was a lot of dialogue in this game. I remember some times I would get so bored reading everyone's gibberish.
Why did I watch this video 3 days before E3 ? I'm gonna get my hopes up and be disappointed again :(
I know.. really hoping we see Isaac in smash at some point. Would so wonders for the series.
There may still be a chance, if DLC returns. Sakurai did say we shouldn't expect to see too many new characters, but I'm praying if they put in just 2 or 3 more, Issac is one of them. Or at the very least, add in some tracks from the game, or the venus lighthouse as a stage
Yeah, I'm with you guys. Give me more Golden Sun goodness! I only played Dark Dawn once ,but the Gameboy originals draw me back every few years because even for their age, they still hold up against modern-day games.
Sunrise. Never heard of this series but wow great video man.