Exploring the Past - Northern Michigan Asylum
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2022
- The Traverse City Psychiatric Hospital closed in 1989.
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i grew up knowing a man who was placed in this place for a crime he didnt commit. he had a speech impediment. he was castrated and treated very badly. he was not allowed to attend school. he taught him self to read. he would bring my family books to read. reading was so important to him. about a year later they figured out who burnt the barn down and never filed charges. orie rossell was a good man. he had a very hard life.
That’s aweful, he was wondering what those rooms in the basement were for…bad thing must have gone on down there…
That's terrible
oh the poor man ,why castrate him ? , that really bad but thank you for info
@@dianelopes8199 he couldnt speak well so they thought he was retarded. his father was a drunk and beat him a lot. he would beg his dad to take him home. he finally did but orie went through hell first.
That is horrible, that poor man! If mental health was treated much differently from the beginning things might be different today.
My ex boyfriend is from Traverse City, Michigan. He said that growing up, his mother was the Head Nurse. He also said that the hospital was self sufficient....there was a laundry, dairy cows, chickens and a large gardens. They had specific things for the patients to do for therapy.
Wow imagine that now for people who need mental stability.. I will guess the severe would need more help.. but to have gardens, seating under trees, birds chirping, green grass.. nothing like today.
@@Elmnt5 just doing daily chores was therapeutic for some of the mental health patients…..the patients who were okay to be outside the hospital
Would be great for todsy
@@Amor1990 yes it would be. Part of the hospital now has expensive shops and a few eating places
My grandmother was mentally ill and she had a breakdown after her son, my uncle died, when he was just 14 years old. Unfortunately, she was institutionalized, and as a result she was not cured nor did she trust doctors after that. I always felt for her because she was tormented by her illness and it negatively effected all of her relationships. It was exhausting to be around her and mentally draining because of her needs. Her soul is finally resting 6 feet under and it's relief knowing she is no longer suffering mentally.
Countries like Sweden and Russia had programs to send their mentally ill to America, boatloads of them.
Her soul is at rest. Not 6 feet under but in the glorious Heaven with our Father.
im so sorry your family had to go through this. may god bless you .
1.8 meters under? Maybe.
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I was fortunate to be an electrician on one of the renovations, Was even able to get one of the original double hung windows with triangular top that was in one of the dormers in the attic. I took photos out of that window on what would have been seen looking out and will someday blow that up and make like a shadow box kind of thing. In 2009 I bought a storage unit contents in Williamsburg Michigan near Traverse City for 25 dollars and found out most of it was salvage from the building 50 renovation. It contained one of the drab institutional green notice board/boxes and it was the same exact green from the window I got years later. Also in that unit was 23 of the tall doors that would have gone in the openings of where you saw in the videos. The doors were wild, most had a 2" hole with a metal screen to look in on patients and only nobs on the outside an no way to open door from the inside. I sold every door on Craigslist to a Brownstone downtown Louisville Kentucky that the builder had stolen the doors in a fire renovation. The owners needed the exact dimension and number of doors and paid me 1900 for the doors and 900 dollars to deliver. They loved knowing the history behind the doors. I have cool photos of the attics like shown in the video and also photos of one of the finished renovations.
Maybe they should convert the attics into additional condos!
@@futeramonfuturamet4830 In the renovation I was part of around ten years ago they did do the attic which was the fourth floor, some of them had a loft.
That's so cool! Thanks for sharing.
To my eye, those beautiful wood floors are quarter-sawn oak. This type of floor can last for centuries if well maintained. Beautiful old buildings. Love the framing in the attic spaces. Thanks for posting!
This is fucking amazing. In my town in Norway, everything older than the 1960s have been removed. Been watching all of your videos and the US have so much interesting to offer. Been to NY, NJ and FL. One day i want to visit all states
Pennsylvania is beautiful ❤. I've lived all over the country. Do your research to find what you are looking for. I was born in Michigan and grew up in the Chicago suburbs. But I feel living in PA was one of my favorites. You would enjoy the Biltmore in Asheville NC. Largest privately owned home in the US ❤
THIS is how historical buildings should be. Even if they have a sad past! A shame that the main part is gone now, but the fact that they’ve preserved much of the building and that you can take a tour through the not restored parts is amazing. History is always best learned when you are able to see it and experience it in person. How cool to see a Kirkbride that isn’t rotting away or torn down for once! They are few and far between today. I mean it’s a bit sinister to think that they were designed to purposefully confuse the patients so they could not leave, however as I stated before, whether tragic or not, history needs to be preserved and shown to people to have a more experiential way of learning rather than just in textbooks
Yeah, instead of demolishing old buildings to build malls, apartments, offices, etc, they should be restoring the existing buildings to those uses!
@@futeramonfuturamet4830 the do a great job with that in some cities. Like in Philadelphia. A lot of old warehouses and factory buildings are mice apartments now. It’s super cool
The main part isn't gone. It's restaurants, offices and condos.
It's the traverse city state hospital. I lived in the area for awhile, i worked on the construction crew that restored building 50, and as a kid we used to break into all of the buildings
The barns have a garden called Lucille’s Garden, that’s my great grandmother. I spent summers around these buildings in the late 80’s, early 90’s. I was just there. ❤
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I live in mid-Michigan, and my sister lives just west of the asylum a few miles. I've passed it many times on Silver Lake Rd. It used to be awesome to see years ago, even from the road. It was very spooky looking. Thank you for the inside tour. What a fascinating place!
My mom did a nurses rotation when in nurses school 70 years ago. She mentioned some of the rooms for severe psychiatric patients had scratched and teeth marked window frames. The worst thing she had to do is bring medical waste down in the basement refuse area. Spooky to say the least
Imagine the spirits there...
You’re amazing Chris finding these architectural jewels!
Sadly, this country needs psychiatric living facilities for all the mental health issues we face🥺
Money! Resources! 🙏🏻
It begs the question, are we as a society any better today than they were back then? Now many of the mentally ill are homeless, living out on the streets.
@@darlenegriffith6186 or on tiktok and twitter, as that seems to be where most lunatics are
@@darlenegriffith6186 No where worse in that regard . now they wonder attacking people and commiting crimes and doing drugs at least they got them off the street back in the day
So cool that you are in my neck of the woods. My mom remembers school field trips to the asylum when she was high school in the 60s and yes, they were allowed in the wards with patients. She says it was pretty awful. Equally awful, when it did close, many patients were just let go to fend for themselves. Many ended up homeless.
That's just awful
I find the attic areas the most interesting. The insight into the construction processes of the past are enlightening.
I worked at a New York State maximum security psychiatric center for 14 years. I've watched a LOT of UA-cam channels who tour such places after they've shut down. Just wanted to say you've done the best I've seen in researching, explaining and presenting what these places were like. Good job! If you or anyone else reads this though, all I have to say is,,, I'd never recommend to anyone thinking of working in a facility like this, not even a civil facility. It's not worth the pay, benefits or ptsd. Regardless of the position.
My great grandmother was a patient there (1930s and 1940s). She was an immigrant from Lithuania and struggled with her new life in the United States. Losing 2 children as infants, language barrier and isolation caused her mental pain. Our family has often wondered if the new medications we have available would have helped her.
given the amount of lunatics wandering around causing all hell with the wokery and whatnot, I doubt that modern medicines would have helped.
Modern medicines would not have helped.@@cplcabs
They actually just make things worse.@@cplcabs
For some people.@@cplcabs
I misspoke. Yes. Modern medicines can help you feel better. But there are specific side-effects to the medication that sometimes make it harder to take. I think finding the right kind of medication probably would've helped in the long run with any mental health problems. It all depends on what type of medication you are taking, though, but that's for a doctor to decide for you. @@cplcabs
My grandmother and aunt both retired from the State Hospital. They both worked night shifts their entire careers. I am sure there is many many lost souls in these buildings. Many of us enjoyed going thru the tunnels and buildings before they were restored.
That’s exactly what I have thought: lost souls. Is it haunted? I can’t help but feel it could be. I toured this in 2019 and it was fascinating, beautiful but spooky.
People say its haunted because its Victorian and looks old and creepy.
Outstanding architecture and design!!! So much potential for that building and grounds.... would love to do a ghost hunt there. 😁
These places are so badly needed today, not only for the homeless, but those less fortunate than others, just sad the man's inhumanity to man is so rampant.... 😓
They are restoring some of these buildings.
You’re so right about the need. Those of us who worked in these places told the administrators that some of these people needed long term care and considered the facility their home. Living in the community may not be in their best interest. But we were accused of trying to hold onto our state “cushy” jobs. Some people have done wonderfully out of the facility and that’s a good thing. But all you have to do is watch the nightly news to see that we were not all wrong. You have a right to be crazy in the community now and self medicate on illicit drugs. There are agencies who are trying their best but……🤷
Shops, restaurants, and apartments nowadays.
@Janet Carbone, ironically these days, county jails have become the new mental hospitals!
@@futeramonfuturamet4830 👍 not to mention a lot of the state hospitals are now forensic. 🤦🏼♀️
So cool that you're allowed to tour on your own. Most places you'd have to be sneaky. Wondeful attic too!
Another good one Chris!
I was able to see this place in the late 1990's before it was restored. What a cool place! Glad you got a chance to see it.
I had never heard of this Kirkbride(?) style and approach to patient care. Kalamazoo, MI had a large farm property on a lake that our local asylum used to send more stable patients to live. There were several "cottages"; really, 3-4 story mansions. The grounds were well-kept. The patients worked on the farm. They kept a lot of the food but also sold some as well. The theory for the staff was that patients, just like anyone else, like to have some purpose, some work, and also benefit from being outside. They saw great success in it. On occasion a patient would have a breakdown and have to be sent back to the hospital. Once they were stabilized, they always requested to go back to the farm. I appreciate hearing this story you have done as well, because so often we only hear about the dark side of psychiatric care with all the "ghost hunting" and horror story telling. As someone who has a chronic mental illness, I am gladdened to hear of places that (while not perfect) really made the efforts to give their patients comfort, fun, and meaning in their lives.
Hi from Australia!! I love old buildings, and the original décor and structure. This place looks amazing. THANKYOU so much for sharing this. What a incredible man to consider the welfare of the occupants and how ahead of his time was he??? The sunlight and exits to the outside are beautiful and so relaxing and healing. if only the walls could talk, it would be so interesting and probably would offer some insight to how far (or not) we have come in supporting people with mental illness and disabilities. Wow the tunnels...and the condition they are in is outstanding! Again thanks so much for sharing, incredibly interesting. Really enjoy your style of just walking and talking and having a conversation about what your filming.
Another awesome video! That building is amazing! Wow! So glad they are restoring instead of destroying it. It seems so peaceful there. Thank you for sharing this special place!
Good to see you in Michigan! That place is awesome. I’ll be up there this weekend
Its smart all together what they have done here. Not only the restored businesses and residences but the tour and then letting ppl wander about. People will get into these places you may as well do it in a controlled way where you get a tour and then can poke about. Reduces the bad actors being able to mark up and destroy things
What an excellent mixed use repurposing. They could do this with malls. I’m glad it’s being restored and being reused. Excellent video thanks Chris
With the older shopping malls, yes, unfortunately most malls are not built to last and be robust!
It was the largest restoration project in the country
I was there at the very beginning of the restoration. Creepy and fascinating at the same time. It was its own village. With post office, Bakery, Milk House and more on the property.
Hi, during my visit to Traverse City, my sister and I went there in 2010, I took some pictures of the buildings, they turned out different than what we took a picture of, example I took a picture of the electric shock treatment room, all looked like stretched out taffy. There was no tours back then we walked were we wanted, nobody cared, as we left we drove past a home that belonged to the main doctor, there was a pale yellow spirit. This is all true, my sister and I have seen all of it.
I was thinking about visiting the hospital because I will be living in the exact same area next year and I wanted to make UA-cam videos about it. I wanted to visit the electric shock treatment room and other parts of the building, as well.
I worked in an old assylum during the 1990's in England during my training to become a Psychiatric nurse. Next door was a cemertary where Agatha Christie was
buried !!!
I love any historic topic videos...Nice walk through. I enjoyed it!
love your videos! cool to see you in michigan ❤️
Thanks! It's a beautiful state for sure
Trans Allegany Lunatic Asylum is also a Kirkbride building, it's beautiful!! If you are ever in Weston West Virginia you should definitely check it out.
Even when I'm not in the exploring mood I just can't scroll past a new Mobil Instinct video. This is such a beautiful building (in the rough, ofcourse)! And, I love the old photos to compliment the explore! Thanks for another great video!
I went through a three year RN program in Grand Rapids, MI and graduated in 1970. My class was the first class that did not go through our psychiatric rotate at I believe this Traverse City State Hospital
Must have been an insane place in it's prime! (pun intended)
But seriously, its great that they found a way to preserve it by repurposing it.
I especially like the roof framework, looks pristine!
My high school has one of those elevators from the 20's in. I graduated in 1997 and my son graduated a few years ago. It's still there and functioning. Chattanooga, TN
Very cool! Especially the tunnel at the end. I want to ride my bike through it.
Love love love this genre of abandoned,Chris your style is unique
Went to art school in a former psychiatric hospital in Auckland, New Zealand and went on to teach art to people with AOD and mental health issues living in the community.
There's a grave for an award winning milk-cow, that lived on the property back in the early 20th century. Munson hospital in Traverse city handles the mentally ill now, I think. My grandparents used to take us here, just to see the old buildings. Very beautiful grounds, and strangely enough, I never got that depressing, heavy sadness, that asylums usually give off. I didn't go through the tunnels though.
Excellent video Chris. Fascinating place and brilliant coverage. Many thanks for the hard work you put in 👊👍🇬🇧🇺🇸
I'm from Grand Rapids Michigan so this is really cool love these videos keep up the great work
YES... Michigan, whoohoo~ 🤩💞‼️
If you ever get to Asheville, NC there's a former asylum called the historic Kenilworth Inn. It has a similar history and is now apartments (I lived there for four years and it's got some very quirky aspect, including part of an old bowling alley in the basement!).
Nice, I've been obsessed with the history of the Danvers state hospital in Massachusetts. This fits my obsession very well. Those tunnels towards the end are so cool! Thanks for the video! love your stuff friend. Thanks and take care!
Didn’t they demolish that hospital?
My grandmother died 10 days after she got there her death certificate said pneumonia but she wasnt having any physical problems when she got there. I wonder what all things were covered up and swept under the rug in that place. I'm kind of wondering if they performed labotomys there and thats what happened or a shock treatment gone wrong. The way the tour guide sounds it was a giant dance party trying to white wash all the crazy stuff that happened to people stuck in there
Agree
I believe that the tour guides edit some stuff out.
I bet this place is haunted!!
Hauntings and ghosts are BS in my opinion. I'm open to someone proving me wrong, but I've yet to witness anything. Not intending to be a smart ass. With that being said, what makes you think it's possible? I do believe in demons to an extent.
It used to look really creepy back when it was in use, all the windows and doors were barred or fenced in.
The tour guides say it’s not but I personally saw some spirits during my tour 🤷♀️
Ya think????? Check MI most haunted places.
I have to agree. Went back there on Halloween back in 2004 or 2005. Ended up having to rush out of there as I felt unease.. Shortly after I felt like I was being choked and scared the shite out of me. By the time we got under the light post seen hand and thumb prints around my neck... Haven't been back yet but plan on going back when we move back to TC next year...
That is such a beautiful stunning building I'm so glad they didn't tear it down... People need to start restoring old historical buildings not tearing them down
I can't believe they tore down those other buildings and other stuff just to build apartment buildings or whatever else that have no meaning
It's multiple buildings
Reminds me of North Park Village on the northwest side of Chicago. Formerly a sanitarium complex. Buildings are reused as apartments. Tunnels still there with outbuildings. I can send you more info if you are interested.
My home grounds! Wish I knew you'd be in the area! Very cool.
Imagine the heating bill for that place in the cold Michigan winter.
They used to use steam tunnels to heat there facility! It’s very interesting
Yeah but the heating bills per unit probably aren't that high. This is the main benefit of giant buildings being divided into multiple units rather than having only one entity occupying the building.
Thank you so much for taking us; What a place! Excellent construction so refreshing to see. Much appreciated; God bless…..🌝
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I gotta say, keep them coming this is badass❤
I used to work in an _Old Wing of a Memphis Hospital. They had an Elderly Gentleman (who was probably 85ish) as the elevator operator with the same crisscross gates over the doors.. He sat on this little round drop down shelf as he operated :) was a trip into the past ! ps. I loved the glass block stairwell walls.
The largest building is called Building 50. This is located in the town that I live in. My great-grandmother was a nurse but she was also bipolar. When she needed treatment, she would go in that hospital.
Hope your trip to Michigan treated you well! I was born and raised here in Michigan! I know of a lot of places around Michigan that’ll be interesting to visit. Such as Seven Gables Road. It’s southwest of Dansville and it’s definitely a interesting place. If you’d like to visit it, I would absolutely love to show you around
What a sad story and history so glad that the building was able to be saved and used!
Thanks for the tour of this old hospital and thanks for sharing this video be safe
We need to open some of these back up. Mental health has come a long way. So many treatment options now but it’s really hard to treat someone when they’re living in a tent next to the RR tracks.
An amazing place!! Would love an apartment in there! Definite paranormal vibes!!
Very cool video. Thanks for taking me back home. I've been gone for 30 years now. I guess it's time to make a trip back up there.
I never knew there a Asylum in Traverse City I wonder if it's haunted ??????
I use to live outside of Traverse City many moons ago
Get some family still up there. Thumbs up Mobile Instinct great video
There use to be a T.B Asylum & Bughouses / psychiatric hospital miles & miles of tunnels in Northville, Michigan it's long gone now .
So glad they are trying to save these buildings. The state facilities Where I worked were left to rot and used by cheap and disrespectful you tubers who didn’t really seem to understand that PEOPLE lived there. Not referring to you. Very nice work on your part. That sink was in a housekeeper closet and the “steeples” provided ventilation. Tunnels also helped staff to get to places in the hospitals in bad weather
Here in NYC, we used to these old decrepit buildings on Roosevelt Island...now an upscale area. Years ago, many indigent, and Psychiatric patients were sent there.
I just discovered your blogs. I like the one that you did with Lamont. Keep up the good work and have a great day.
Nice and beautiful, a good makeover Thanks Chris for that history tour
Great video! You’re getting closer to my town of Anoka Minnesota! If you’re heading any further west it might be worth your effort to stop and see the old Anoka state hospital. They might even give you some great access! Keep up the great work!
Ron from Faces of the Forgotten just did a video on the Anoka State Hospital. He wasn't able to go inside though.
Thanks for the tour!
Loved this explore. Interesting, informative, and historic, what could be better? Thank you!
I went on this tour and made a short about it. It’s a great location and if you’re ever in the area, definitely check it out!!
oregon state psychiatric hospital has an original Kirkbride building. The hospital has been completely rebuilt but they kept the main kirkbride building as the Administrative Building and built around it. It’s a beautiful building. I worked for the state hospital for a period of time.
Chris, you do great vlogs!
At least someone tried to make these poor souls living arrangements a little nice.
You always do such an amazing job keep up the good work
Awesome explore Chris. I enjoyed that. At 15:24 I thought you were starting to fall through the floor because I was imagining that from the sound, Lol!
Awesome Grand Rapids Michigan here but was born in Ludington MI awesome you came to this state it's an honor to have you here
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The need to bring these county/regional mental health institutions back and _fund them fully_ to take care of our most challenged fellow citizens. Closing them all and letting everyone fend for themselves was a crime.
Do you know who cares for the mentally ill of Cook County, Ill. today? The Sheriff's department. They are treated only after they land in jail.
They closed the hospitals and put most of them in prison after they committed crimes.
@@marks.c4753 correct. Mentally ill people left to live on the streets will commit crimes to survive. Mentally healthy people left to live on the streets will also commit crimes to survive.
I'll be doing an extended photography tour here in a few weeks. I cannot wait, kirkbrides are my favorite.
Now we don't put them in an asylum, we send them to Washington DC.
You got that right!
Actually, Whitmer is still there, you made her governor.
@@farmerbill6855 I live in Fl. and love our Gov.
Yep, Joey is living proof.
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I used to live close to The Commons. On my days off I would love to ride my bike through their to the barns. It's changed a lot. It's nice to see it being preserved but it's not the same.
What a very nice building thanks for showing up be safe
You are a legend mate! Love your videos
Hey, my friend. Glad I caught this video. I'm subscribed to your channel but don't get notifications. Thanks for sharing this. Glad you're in Michigan.
Oh that’s awesome. I worked at the Cherokee MHI for yrs and I love that old kirkbride building
The Cherokee MHI is still open. It’s pretty amazing. Has a museum down in the tunnels
I had a family member put in this place for the simple act of an affair. As a woman, I guess back then they did that. But she had a hard enough life due to her husband and he had many affairs. Never was put in a place like this. He did go to jail for crimes. But I guess so did she, for being a female who needed a human connection. Sick really. Hidden from family who thought she had passed away years before.
Wow that's horrible
Wow
So very interesting!! Thank you! Truly enjoyed this video. ❤
Hey Chris...have you ever seen the movie "Session 9"? I hear you mention Kirkbride...the movie takes place and is filmed on location at another abandoned psychiatric hospital built by him, and a character in the movie mentions him by name. You've done horror movie locations before, so I thought it would be up your alley. It's a little independent horror film from 1999 and has the distinction (I believe) of being one, if not the first movie shot on digital video, which gives it this hyper-realistic unsettling quality. Its unconventional for a horror film, well acted, well shot, very atmospheric and pretty damn scary. Some of the shots remind me of "The Shining". If you like abandoned places, architecture and horror movies, this one is for you. Keep in mind, it is subtle and tense and takes its time, not a load of blood and guts. I had no idea WTF was going on until the very end, and it stayed with me since I was a kid. It's a good one, try it out and hit back if you liked it.
Just driving through the properly gives me chills.
I wish that this country would restore more old buildings, and houses because it’s so much waste to trash them. When the old places are torn down we lose more than just we’ll constructed structures, but also there’s the lose of history.
My Mother was a patient there when I was a young boy, I don't what exactly happened,my older siblings know more about it because I was quite young, I just know she had a break down as was there quite awhile,They gave her shock treatments an I think it made her worse,She was a very loving person but when she came home I remember she was afraid of water an seemed a little scitafrenic an had fear of things an always worried about everything,But never did any harm to anyone she was very loving from what I remember they had her on about 10 different medications the rest of her life an it made her tired a lot,I don't like to talk about it much an it was hard for me to make this post those people went through hell every day of their lives,She is resting in piece now since 1997
Awesome place. I've toured it and have lots of books and ephemera. 3 of my relatives were there and another relative and his wife worked there. I have records and pictures. The clerk has early annual report books that are very informative. And sad.
Beautiful thank you for sharing
these videos are so relaxing to watch
In the mid 90's I worked at the local TV station and we did a documentary on this place. This was pre-restoration and the place was much more decrepit than shown here. We found and interviewed a man who grew up on the property, the child of a caretaker. He interacted with the patients all the time. The architects designed the place so most patient rooms got first light at dawn. The scariest thing I did was go inside pre-dawn and set up a camera in a room and record the incoming sunlight on a 60 minute tape, then I compressed the video down to 30 seconds to show the effect of the rising sun in the patient's room. So frightening. I also shot video at sunset and into the night on the grounds. Also very spooky. There was still medical equipment in some offices, including instruments for performing lobotomies and electroshock therapy, and straightjackets.
Our interviewee said that on the last day they just told the patients to go, and many of them just walked into Traverse City carrying their belongings. Weird and sad.
But we did win an award for the best mini-documentary.
Always excited to see your next video
Very interesting Chris! Great place for a ghost hunt!
Went this place about 10 years ago! Definitely haunted and I’m not a ghost type person! As a nurse myself I touched wall in one oldest buildings and I felt the deeest despair grief ! Hard to describe but I had to get out there the feeling was overwhelming! I talked about this with another nurse that had gone through this place! She felt same way . So maybe because nurses maybe we can pick up on things that others may not. I ❤ the place so beautiful really but I could never live there ! A neat place to vist !
Im from oakland county Michigan. Traverse city is beautiful and has the best cherries in the country
With some restore, this beautiful building can be a very nice hotel, shops, special event spaces, and partial historical museum, for visitors and locals.
I can see and say that most of these architecture were based off European design and construction .